$4,000 vs $11,000 Mountain Bikes // Worth The Extra Money??
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Is there really $7,000 worth of difference between these two mountain bikes?? This video is sponsored by Salt Cycles. Save up to 25% off the Cannondale Scalpel SE including custom Gucci dream builds! All sizes are in stock and up to 25% off now!! Call Chris: 801-943-8502 to order yours today!
I have been blown away with how good this bike is! It's a short travel 29er trail bike with 120mm front and rear suspension. It's fast climbing like a traditional XC bike but when you point this bike down hill is where it really shines! So composed for such a light weight, nimble bike!! For the money, this might be the biggest surprise of year for me!!
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Cannondale Scalpel SE short travel trail bike
I think people really get caught up on what bike is better. Spend within your budget and just go ride
This 100%. Even the "cheaper" bikes are great for 99% of the riders out there. The mountain bike community seems heavily focused on overpriced things most of them don't need.
Yeah. I agree to a certain degree… a bike with good brakes and suspension are worth having. Lighter weight is also very nice for a trail bike. I understand more gravity focused riding a heavy bike is fine but for trail riding a faster, better climbing bike is very nice.
How your yeti sb140LR?
Will you be doing a review on the Yeti SB 120LR?
I agree! I have an aluminum bike with a marzocchi fork and deore drivetrain/brakes. After riding it for a couple years I bought an expensive bike with carbon frame, wheels, cranks and handlebar with X01 drivetrain, code rsc brakes, and Fox factory suspension and dropper. The only truly noticeable difference is that the wheels always stay true. Otherwise it seems to be just expensive bragging rights.
Shoot I'm still having so much fun on my 2010 Trek Remedy 7 🔥 🔥 150mm 💪
It seems like there is significantly diminishing returns after 5k
That’s been my observation. Not to say there isn’t a reason for anyone to spend more than that but just to realize your money doesn’t go as far beyond that point…
As I mentioned in the video, I've been blown away by this Cannondale Scalpel SE. Maybe because I had low expectations given the lower price point but regardless, this is a proper short travel trail bike that absolutely rips!! This video is sponsored by Salt Cycles. You can support this RUclips channel by purchasing your bike from Salt Cycles! Thank you! Save up to 25% off the Cannondale Scalpel SE including custom Gucci dream builds! All sizes are in stock and up to 25% off now!! Call Chris: 801-943-8502 to order yours today!
If I’m paying 11k it better have a motor 😅😂
If im paying 11k it better be a motorcycle
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I only paid $6,700 for my 2022 Yamaha YZ…
7th place is awesome in my book. Nice job!
Me too haha thanks dude!
Problem with scalpels is after a few years they develop cracks. Yes, there's a warranty and Cannondale honors it in most cases. But i still dont feel safe on modern Cannondale bikes
I have not heard anything about this. I can’t imagine they’re selling bikes that are consistently cracking. And for the record, I’ve seen cracked Ibis’s Yeti’s Specialized and other brands carbon bikes. It’s not entirely uncommon. It’s just not the norm… I can’t imagine Cannondale‘s ratio of defective or cracked frames is any higher than anyone else’s. Like I said, this is the first I’ve heard of it. Also, I’ve been riding Cannondale rode bikes for more than a decade without any issues. My current road bike has over 3000 miles on it.
@@mtbyumyum my 2017 scalpel developed a nasty crack around bottom bracket after just one season. Cannondale replaced the frame but it took a month. 2021 scalpel developed a chainstay crack. And Cannondale said it was my fault. During covid of all things. So fk them. Never again.
Ps if you google Cannondale scalpel frame crack you will find hundreds of posts. Google any other brand and you barely find anything. Except for a crashed frames. But that's a different story.
Interesting. Sorry about your problems... that's no fun
Doesn't mean much, my 2019 Instinct C70 devolved a crack on the back side of the bottom bracket in front of the rear wheel. Yeah Rocky replaced the whole front triangle free of charge and the bike was 5 years old. It's why i upgraded to a 2022 Altitude C70 as Rocky are pretty good with replacing cracked frames if it doesn't have any crash damage in the area.
Liked it before I even saw it! lol because I know if Jason did it its going to be good ! lol we appreciate you dude!
I appreciate that, thanks dude!
This just goes to show how you have to be careful whose opinion you pay attention to online. I own both of these bikes - I had the Cannondale Scalpel SE first and thought it was a really fun, capable bike. Then I got the opportunity to purchase the new Mach4 and I jumped at the chance.
Let me just say that MTB Yumyum is of course entitled to his own opinion. But from my experience he is absolutely INSANE to compare the Scalpel to the Mach4. The Scalpel is a really good bike. Emphasis on “good”. It is good. But the new Mach4 is a really GREAT bike.
The Mach4 does everything better than the Scalpel SE. it is far more capable on technical terrain and downhill trails. All while climbing just a little better than the Scalpel.
Again, everyone has their own opinion, so be careful whose advice you follow.
Thanks for weighing in as I'm sure there are not too many people with experience on both bikes commenting here. From reading your comment I think we're saying the same thing. I said the M4 was the better bike.... just not $7000 better! Perhaps the only difference in our experiences is descending. Without a doubt I'm faster over chop on the SE. Basically anything other than a flow trail the SE provides more stability and less twitchy. One of the commenters asked an excellent question, "if the two bikes were the same kit and same cost which one would I pick" easy, the Pivot! DW link feels better and the flip chip is next level... like owning two bikes! I also prefer the geo/bike fit better on the M4... I think I mentioned all this in the video. The problem/difference is the equivalent M4 kit is the pro xt/xtr build w/carbon wheels for $8,799 ($4,100 more than the SE)
Hey Jason. Great video..and a good reminder of how we should be wise stewards of the money we've been entrusted with. It's always a balance, but I see absolutely no need to be spending $11k on a bike when there are so many great options now.. and the mid- level components like GX and XT (even SLX) are reeaally good. Don't get caught up in the supposed latest and greatest or the FOMO! Life is too short to not just be content. God bless.
Well said!
One thing I don't agree with you and it is when you said that XT is mid-level component. XT is top level component with mid-leve price...
@@soliranje Yea I guess you could say slx and gx are (comparable) mid- level components, while xt ,xo1 and above are a step higher. They're all good, imo.
@@mannyfnsc29 100%
Yum Yum strikes again
Nice review!
Thanks dude!
Just found this video, don't know how I missed it for the last 8 months, but life has been
..."challenging", just thought I'd mention that Aaron from EverStoke stripped the inside coupling threads on his DT rear hub, so just a Heads-Up.
Jason is such a straight shooter. Bought my Trail 429 after he recommended them. And I LOVE my trail 429!
Well, if you didn't know what they each cost which would you choose after riding them btb?
Good question. The DW link on the Pivot is pretty incredible and the flip chip on the shock setting is very nice as well… if they cost the same with the same kit, I’d take the Pivot✌️
Dude, Jason, Top 10 is crazy good in that race! Tell your kids to give their old man some serious props!
Haha I wont hold my breath😆 my daughter took 2nd and 1st in her last 2 races💪👊
@@mtbyumyum Congrats to her. I'm no racer, just against myself. But that pushes me hard enough. I have a friend that did True Grit last year and had been dropping hints I should join him, but I don't have a good bike for it. Lucky me. 😅
You should sign up for it. It's an excellent course and a lot of fun with all the racers... I would say maybe 30% of the riders are "racing" it or being real serious... another 40% just having fun and the rest I would say it's more of a bucket list thing that they want to do once... like a lot of people running a marathon just to say they did it! I've done it several times.... it gives me a reason to stay in shape during the winter riding the trainer.
Great review and it's unreal to see a manufacturer making a bike that good at a price point we can all.afford.
I am now seriously considering buying this bike but not from Salt as I live in the UK. 😂
Completely agree... quality bike at an affordable price! Thanks!
What do you mean we?
My local LBS currently has an Ibis Ripley AF Deore build for $3,229. For someone looking to get into their first full sus, what a great bike that would be.
I think Jenson is selling Ripley AF Deore build for $2600-ish lately.
Wait did you say the Cannondale weighed only about a pound more than the Pivot?
The Scalpel weighs 9oz or about 1/2 lbs more than the $11k Mach4
@@mtbyumyum OMG! That’s incredible
I don't knock anyone for wanting to go top end. If you've got the loot, go for it. But having been riding mtb since 1993, and having bought top end a few times, I'm now content with mid-tier, decently performing, durable mtb that fit me well. Don't get me wrong, even at 54yo, I get the appeal of top end bikes. Just a little better at self-control . 😁
Well said🙌
Shimano brakes in general are so much more powerful than SRAM Levels or Codes. Difference in bite and needed squeeze is crazy.
I've had the same experience. That said, I have friends who love their level and code brakes... who know! In the mean time, I'll be riding shimano!
Hello there. Great channel. Question for you: You mentioned that you spent around "$5,000" to get your Ripley's weight down to wear you wanted it - do you have a list of all the parts/accessories that you installed on it to get the weight down?
Call Chris at Salt cycles! 801-943-8502 he can get you set up!
Hi Yumyum, your M4 build looks amazing. Would love to know the weight on that build. Cheers
22 lbs 14 oz
For my area with some techy NE terrain a rigid single speed is the perfet bike. Roughly $2000.00 with upgrades.
Sick. I've got a buddy who rides ss. Very cool!
@mtbyumyum how does the scalpel descend compared to the Ripley? I have Ripley but you’ve got me interested in the scalpel.
That's such a good question.... I would love LOVE to ride these two bike back to back. I really wish I had a Ripley to compare.
Bikes depreciate terribly.
At 11:20 u said you swapped out the ratchet in rear hub ? Any more detail on that improvement. Is it worth it ?
100% worth it! Highly recommend👍
Great video, so you think the scalpel is faster than the Transition Spur and the SB115 in flat terrain ??
Thanks
I would have to ride them back to back but I would say it feels more like the sb115 then the sb100 or the spur… I for sure prefer the Scalpel SE over the spur
The foliage is amazing. Where are you biking?
Corner Canyon in Draper, Utah
Sending that step down into the berm :)
I just got a 2022 S-works stumpy for $6500 brand new. Crazy sales going on right now, its a great time to take advantage ! U like that scalpel better than the S-works non EVO stumpy ?
Exactly, so many good deals out there right now!! Hum.... the SE is just different than the Stumpy. The stumpy feels longer and maybe not as snappy or quick. Although the it's very snappy and quick for a 130/140 bike and it would be difficult to get down to 25.5 lbs for under $4600. The SE is the better value in my experience but I really liked the Stumpy a lot. The rear end feels better on the SE too.
Where’d you get your stumpy?
Could you realistically get $6,000 for the $12,000 pivot used right now? That's what concerns me the most about buying any bikes over $6500.
Great question. Not sure what the depreciation is on a bike that expensive… I would think it would go for more than that tho…
Who buys bikes thinking they can get there money back, the worst and the best investment ever! Can’t put a price on fun and exercise!
The difference between the 4k bike and an 11k bike is the guy on the bike and the depth of his wallet. 😂
Maybe... but there isn't $7,000 of difference in my experience.
I researched like crazy ……..when I bought my gen 1 Santa Cruz Hightower 😂 years ago,
It’s probably considered downcountry now but I still love it.
Gen 1 Hightower is legit!! Owned that bike and loved it!!
I have a gen 1 hightower had it since new. Wouldnt part with it. Recently test rode a gen 2 levo sl and downhill on the straights my hightower felt way better on the same trails
These days what you are getting is,... dare I say it? Gouged. I have expensive bikes and while I enjoy them I feel guilty when I see others enjoying a vintage Stump Jumper, for example. This trend extends to many other products as well, just as if these companies expect not to survive for very long. Get the money and run. When will it end? Maybe we need to put our collective foot down. Maybe some outfits will sell all the parts separately encouraging you to build your own. That should save some. Anyway just my opinion.
I've owned 2 Pivots (Mach 6 and Mach 5.5) and while they are incredible bikes, the 429 does not justify $11K. You can get a Shuttle for less.
Great video but you couldn't pay me to ride a crack'nfail. They have burned a lot of customers similar to Ellworthless. Riding Experience doesn't equal warranty experience.
Here in Mx that same Cannondale model is about 150 usd cheaper than the base Mach 4 SL… for that price difference I don’t know which one I would pick.
Quality control and quality standards equal safety and decrease chances of frame snapping into cracking etc.. This is something that most of zero RUclips videos address I can tell you from experience Hosp bills are hundreds of thousands of dollars so buying that pivot with the highest standards. quality control is what I want.
Great vid! I have a rule about cost on MTB's if I can get %90 of what I want it is amazing how much you can save. Riding a Santa Cruz 5010 and love it!
So the Scalpel would work as a starter xc race bike? Good video.
Absolutely! Excellent xc/short travel trail bike. Particularly for those riding blue trails most of the time… quick bike that climbs well, feels efficient and nimble. Hard to beat this Scalpel SE for the money!
Great video dude
Appreciate it, thank you!
"9 ounces more". 9! 🤯 Pivot is more than double the price of the Scalpel SE for a half-a-pound savings. That's completely nuts. The Scalpel SE is DEFINITELY on my radar now (although I can't stand shiny red bikes)
It also comes in blue👍
Since we are on the topic of performance per dollar, what have you heard of the Fezzari Signal Peak? Are going to review it next year? That would be interesting to see.
Have you ever ridden a WR1 Arrival? Would love to see how those compare and perform against Pivot, Ibis and Cannondale.
Scalpel checks all the right boxes for way less, its a go!!
100% I feel the same way! Call Chris and order yours tomorrow!! 801-943-8502
Isn't cannondale going bankrupt? maybe that's why they are on sale?? Bike prices are insane, hope things change soon.
It descends better even when the Mach 4 is in the more aggressive setting?
Yes! I compared these bikes with the M4 in the 115mm setting
Cannondale 😊
Thank you, watching this video helped me a lot because I was undecided about that bike, and it makes a lot of sense to me about the comparisons and the costs of the 2 bikes. I am not a professional and, as you say, I want to pedal and participate in a couple of races a year, I'm more confident now.😊
Yes!!
Now try the cannondale jekyll 1 might be a bit heavier but heard it’s a good bike
How has this guy discovered dimished returns this late in life...
An 11K MTB should not come with a pressfit BB.
I would like to see a review of the Cannondale Scalpel linkage and how the suspension works.
I still love that red bike! Good info!
Me too! Such a nice looking bike. Rides good too!!
How does Pivot even sell bikes when they're so overpriced? Group set = I prefer Shimano XT over ANY drive train. I have over 5300 miles on my Ripmo V2 with one cassette swap, one derailleur (thanks to a rock) and I'm waiting for my new oval chain ring any day now. How did I maintain the drive train you might ask?? Easy, I've rotated 6 hot waxed chains and tossed them out and replaced them when needed. Really like both of these bikes though. Honestly I'm glad bike companies are coming back to earth on their pricing after the "pandemic sales".
Wow, you've really collected the miles on that Ripmo. Interestingly enough, my xtr shifter gave up before the derailleur... in any case, you're exactly right! XT is a total work horse and bike prices are bananas. Thanks for weighing in!
I have been looking at Pivot bikes. I'm short and they seem to have the lowest standover. Looking at the 2 bikes side by side the 25" standover on the 429 XS is at the seat post. The Scalpel has a longer area with the lowest standover. It's standover is 33" on their small. I measure 27" from ground to my crotch. Am I limited to Pivot? The angle of the top tube makes the standover measurement a little less meaningful. I'm trying to decide between 429 and Switchblade. Would the 429 handle a blue run at a bikepark? (angelfire NM) I would probably rent a bike if I wanted to try black. sounds like 429 would handle my local trails. Drop offs less than 2'. Plan to buy by next spring. Thanks. I know this is not what you do, but you must know some short people
Interesting. How tall are you? The Pivot T429 is great for blue trails as well as many black level trails. 👍 although if you are light weight you might prefer the Ibis Ripley.
My choice would be the switchblade, it can do anything you throw at it, even the XC trails, just throw on some skimpy light tires and now you’ve got a faster trail bike.
The Switchblade can feel really harsh for lighter weight riders.... my $.02
@@mtbyumyum put on a coil shock with lighter weight spring then, should help
5'2"@@mtbyumyum
Yo... 4k or 11k can't see spending that much on a bike. This is unrealistic for 90% of people. I want something good enough under $800 which is still a lot.
Wow, I have no clue what you could get under $1,000...
So how much did the guy who finished first pay for his bike? 😂
no clue... this was in the 40-49 yr old expert category
Guaranteed he was on a s works epic evo like every other winner 😂😂😉😉
haha nice try Brit... who ever won could have done it on this SE... comes down to fitness at this level and age... pro rides okay, maybe gear helps but not likely at True Grit in this cat
@@mtbyumyum totally. The winner could’ve easily been on a 28 pound trail bike honestly! Just have to push your buttons a little 😂
I was joking. I’m sure it was a nice bike, but value is such a personal thing at the end of the day. The very top end is generally not worth it to me.
Better than the Rocky Mountain Element? I’ve been looking at that one for my next bike and I know you used to own one and loved it.
It's just different than the Element... the Element felt a lot longer and more "trail bike" than this Scalpel SE
I built a Carbonda FM909 this spring. Looks the spitting image of the Scalpel, less the fancy paint job. 66 degree hta. 77 degree sta. Just over $4,000 build. Sram X0 drive train. XT brakes. Race Face carbon cranks. Fox Kashima 120mm fork. 100mm rear travel. Nextie carbon rims on DT 240 hubs. . . . Just sayin.
77 degree sta on a xc bike… hard pass
@@mtbyumyum “hard pass” is that a bad thing? My old Ripley is 76 degree sta. so pretty similar geometry to Ripley. FM909 is trail bike geometry on a lightweight cross country style frame. I guess technically down country. Anyhow, Carbonda is a consumer direct Taiwanese frame. I built up one of their FM1002 enduro bikes a couple of years ago that worked out pretty good for me. I understand It is probably not so good to talk about consumer direct alternatives for mtb. But us poor working stiffs have to do what we can to afford a bike.
Then why did you buy it?
Dang it! Just ordered the pivot! 😅
haha nothing wrong with that! I love mine! The SE is slightly more "Ripley" than the M4.... for sure the M4 feels more XC than the SE or Ripley... enjoy!!
@mtbyumyum thanks for soothing my confirmational bias!
hahahaha you're welcome lol srly tho, if you got the money, you made the right choice!
I was blown away by my Ripmo AF... I had to ask myself if the return on investment exists for carbon after riding it.
Still never ridden that bike but everyone I hear from really like it!
@mtbyumyum my wife has the Ripley af. That's a winner, too. I actually think that would be quite an interesting video to follow from the value thread, especially at a time when cash flow could be challenging for people
I was really surprised by your comments and now I’m second-guessing everything. Lol
How do you feel the scalpel will do against the DW link on more chunky trails like Jacob‘s ladder or Zen?
Also, what bike will you ride True Grit on this year? I have a Trail429 Enduro (thanks to your recommendation) and this will be my first year riding True Grit…super excited about it.
Your T429 would be better down Jacobs and Zen but there’s a difference between your T429 and this Mach4… the Scalpel SE is better in chunk and higher speeds compared to the Mach4. Not sure what I’ll ride at True Grit. Most likely the M4🤘
Nothing will replace more travel, so you just comprise with a slightly rougher and more calculated ride. No need to second guess it, one persons perfect ride is not another’s.
10:30 the funny rear hub dish is almost a deal breaker. Why Cannondale… just why?
Yeah, sort of annoying but these carbon wheels are very good... not harsh. So no need for me to ever swap them out.
@@mtbyumyum well that’s good news. I have a nice set of Roval wheels and I like to have one set with chunky tires and one set with XC tires ready to go.
Kids words cut deep 😂
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I wish I needed a bike because I would get that Scalpel today. Still riding my Ibis Mojo 3 and am very happy. Bought that after your review years ago...thanks!
Nice. My wife is on a Mojo 4 and loving it. She rides around on my demo bikes but still loving the Mojo!
Wow beautiful ride
Thank you!!
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@flyboysnugs thank you! I don’t think most people realize how much work this channel is… if a brand or business I trust offers me a paid video idea, I’ve got to take it! That said, I turn down dozens of offers monthly for brand or product deals I wouldn’t care to show to this yumyum community.
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I know bikes are great these days but I think you kinda gush over bikes too much. Every bike is capable, fun, fast. A little more critique would be nice.
What is there to complain about on this bike? Seriously?
Epic Evo video: ruclips.net/video/qJPZQSSypPc/видео.html watch the video... I wasn't pumped on it and said I would go a different direction.
Revel Rail 29 video: ruclips.net/video/Fkzo4u0RQtg/видео.html watch the video, I wasn't pumped on it and said I would go with the Ibis Ripmo or Yeti SB140 over this bike
Yeti SB120 video: ruclips.net/video/aeW1-ewq8z8/видео.html watch the video... I wasn't pumped on it and said I would go with the Pivot T429 or Ibis Ripley over the 120...
I really don't get your comment.....
@@mtbyumyum 160 f/r rotors are a bad spec choice for the more trail version, along with undergunned tires. Only one water bottle mount, Pivots always have rattly cables in my experience,
I love the tires on both these bikes... Yeah, maybe the Rekon would have been a better tire but still, these tires are excellent for a short travel trail bike. I personally run 180 rotors on my big bikes (sb140, Firebird, Ripmo) so 160 is plenty... I've had no issues stopping on these two bikes. Sounds like it might be time for you to start a RUclips channel of your own...
@@mtbyumyum alright, guess you Believe your reviews are infallible. No respectful critique wanted here. Have a good one 👍🏻
Dude, I seriously do the least amount possible to upload these videos... of course I don't think they're "infallible" lol come on man... this is a hobby for me bro... I'm just a normal dad, probably like you, who has a full time job, family and many other obligations and I have to log in and read your ridiculous comment complaining about my video reviews. Why bother commenting? Just don't watch them if you like more critical view point on current bikes. To be fair, your critique was the rotors and tires and 1 water bottle mount.... give me a break dude... those can be addressed for very little money should you want a change. I try to speak to the way the bike rides. And I didn't mention the Pivot cable rattle because there hasn't been any. I rode a Pivot Firebird all last season, no cable noise and the Mach 4 SL the past 4 months without cable noise issue... Go watch my Ibis Ripley video.... my favorite bike of all time and I MENTIONED THE ANNOYING CABLE RATTLES on the Ripley....
I have the Orbea Rise M10 with Fox factory suspension and XT brakes RF aluminium wheels it cost me £4000 reduced from £6999 !! Imo it’s an absolute bargain, personally I wouldn’t pay over £5000 for any bike or Ebike because a 5 K bike is all you need. That’s my opinion though 😊
You’re not wrong! $5k will get you an excellent bike🤘
@@mtbyumyum 💯 bro 😎 I’d like to see what Tyler thinks about the CANNONDALE , after all didn’t he say “ as long as it’s got a dropper post it’s all good “ haha 😂
Orbeas are amazing. Only bad thing is they are a bit on a smaller side. I'm 5"11 and I ride xl. Albeit with a shorter stem. But maybe it's just me. I also have an xl santa cruz. As L was too short imo.
@@5gvaccinator343 lol 😂 that’s SO true bro, I’m 5:11” and I got the size L Orbea Rise and the reach is really annoying 😡 even with the seat all the way back it’s so cramped but I got it for 4K reduced price and I couldn’t resist it but yeah XL would have been perfect 👍🏾, I’m thinking about getting the new Orbea Wild cos at fast descents the Rise reminds me that’s its a “ Trail “ bike 😂
@@5gvaccinator343 yeah I had the Santa Cruz Nomad size L …. It’s like riding a BMX !! 😂😂