$650 Vs $11,000 Mountain Bikes!
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- What’s it like to ride an $11,000 mountain bike?!
Every expensive part and exciting piece of new technology you could wish for is specced on the Specialized S-Works Stumpjumper T-Type. It’s a dream bike for many, but how much better is it than a regular MTB?
In this video, we’ll show you the difference between an $11,000 bike and a carbon Cannondale that costs $5,500, a great-value $1,699 full-suspension Marin 29er and a bargain $650 Calibre hardtail.
Which bike is your favourite? Let us know in the comments 👇
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:34 Calibre Rake 27
03:48 Marin Rift Zone 29 1
07:05 Cannondale Habit LT1
10:50 Specialized S-Works Stumpjumper T-Type
14:26 Conclusion
16:17 Outro
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Thanks for your comments on the pricing, we're listening and will take them on board 🤘
Pricing in GBP is as follows:
Calibre Rake 27 (UK Only): £550 with £5 Go Outdoors membership or £650 without
Marin Rift Zone 29" 1 (UK & US): £1645
Cannondale Habit LT1 (UK & US): £4750
Specialized S-Works Stumpjumper T-Type (UK & US): £10,000
If I had $11,000 to spend on MTB. I would buy $2000 bike and whole bunch of plane tickets to epic locations for riding trips.
Well, you cant put a price on an expirience. 🤷♂
@@fiece4767 exactly, imagine how much fun you can have with $9,000 budget for riding trips
This is the way
why not spend $7000 on the plane tickets, $3000 on hotels and rent a full suspension MTB at the resorts?
@@junli6065 You need a bike after you're done with your trips to ride your local trails
$1600 straight to $5000 is a big jump. A lot of quality bikes that likely fit the most riders lost along the way.
Thanks for the feedback! We're always looking for new and exciting videos we can make for the channel...
~ Will
I think it would be cool to compare one of the cheaper habits like the habit 4 vs the habit LT1.
I was thinking the same thing. I think like $2500 range would have been better for the second bike and the hard tail be more like $800-$1000.
This seems like the hard tail was just thrown in there As a starting point.
the second is a budget bike entry level.
The third is what happens if you splurge and the fourth looks like you're balling out.
Lost Along The Way CC , , , , , 😂😂😂
There is a point of diminishing returns when it comes to the bike price spectrum. It is probably around ~$3500 US full retail at a bike shop.. Most of us would do fine with an aluminum full-sus, Deore 1x12 drivetrain, and Marzocchi fork. That would be my bare minimum. To me that's where you get diminishing returns. Spending more doesn't provide much improvement on performance. If a beginner asked me what should I buy, that's what I would recommend.
100%. My budget build would be FS, aluminum frame, deore brakes, deore drivetrain (but with XT shifter), Fox rhythm or similar grade suspension. All that 90% of people actually need and can appreciate.
@@ryanmichels2981have this setup but full XT since 2017 on my cube … front, Alu, 1x11 and Brakes are full XT with Fox Rhythm 34 and Alu rims no name with XT Hubs … for me more than enough … biggest difference make tires … still swapping forth and back over all the known brands 🫣
And new proper tires because most bikes come delivered with only ok-ish tires that you quickly reach the limits of. Just sell the brand new stock tires to get a few bucks back. Tires alone can make a big improvement on any bike, and is a good investment for your confidence as well.
12 speed is too expensive. Try 10 speed deore aluminum hardtail with coil fork
Sram GX all the way deore sucks! Shimano makes good brakes though but drivetrain goes to Sram all day
Wish you had done the reverse, cheap full squish bike and top of line hardtail.
Thanks for letting us know Dave! Perhaps you’ve given us an idea for a future video!
~ Will
@@bikeradarthis is a great idea. id love to see a video like that. great job on this one!
Here in the Philippines a $650 mountainbike is already considered a high end bike
yeah even in france man ...
And here in Austria decent MTBs start at 1500 Euros
In Turkey its just price for solid mid level decathlon bike. Our taxes are incomparable💪💪
I'm 70 years old, what I'm about to say will blow your mind. I used to live in S California, and back in the late 60's and 70's we used to ride trails like what you were on, and worse, in the mountains on ROAD BIKES! We took bikes that had cantilever brakes, and put on the wider rims with 700x35c tires, and some others used the old 27x1 3/8 inch tires.
you didnt ride trails like this.
@@prawnis Gary, you're young, you don't know what we did back in the day. Even the early Tour de France riders rode mostly on dirt, mud, gravel, etc, very difficult terrain on nothing but road bikes, the TDF prior to WW2 was basically cyclocross riding. It wasn't until after WW2 did roads got paved and the TDF was then on paved roads. So all we did was follow that lead and we rode our road bikes on trails. Of course, we weren't getting air time, and sometimes we had to get off and walk the bike, but for the most part, we were riding trails.
Gary Fisher, Joe Breeze, and Tom Ritchey, all began riding on mountain trails using road bikes, those guys had their own teams, and I was part of one of those teams based out of Marin County California for a short time, about 2 or 3 months, and I won't divulge who's team I was on.
From that experience, they decided to build the first hardtail rigid fork mountain bikes. Joe Breeze was the first maker of a mountain bike called Breezer 1 in 1977, but it took until 1981 for the first bike manufacturer to mass produce a mountain bike, that was Specialized with their Stumpjumper, but it was a hardtail rigid fork bike, but it was a good bike, and people raced those types of bikes, suspension forks didn't come around until sometime in the mid-90s.
Then eventually what I used to do came around full circle because now we're back doing cyclocross riding.
So you need to do some research before telling someone they didn't do something because you never know who you might be talking to.
I left the cyclocross stuff to do road racing instead, and I did that from 1973 until 1983, I won't go into details about what level I was at, it's time to let it lay.
@@Rekmeyata Cap
@@prawnis manlike garrrrrrry should take an L.
Yeah man started riding MTB’s in 1990 I’m 60. Those rides were rough. New tech makes it fun and faster climbing.
In whos world is that a double black diamond trail? And if this is MBUK why are you talking in dollars???
Because America fuckin rules dollars up pounds down
Us FOD locals have said the same thing. However, Forestry have got big plans with the FoD cycle centre and have graded the trail based on the features they're looking to put in. Compared to BPW, none of the trails are even what you'd consider Black, save for GBU. My 9 year old daughter can get down sheepskull and ski run, the latter being a double black (but plans are afoot to put in features that would warrant it)
@@TripleRRRs4eva😂
That "$11,000" S-Works Stumpjumper Costs $7'500 right now here in Switzerland 😉
Last Year I did Buy the Carbon Stumpjumper Comp for $3'000! on Sale and put on some Carbon Elite Wheels pro 36 for another $600.
It's now 28.2 lbs (12,8Kg)after making some other small changes during the year, the frame is 100% identical to the S-Works and a Dream Bike!
Cheers from Switzerland
Oh wow! Sounds like you got a bargain there and are already on the upgrades! Happy riding.
~ Will
not dropping the saddle is a cardinal sin
depends,on smooth surface we xc-ers use it for stability,but it works better on ht
I just bought a Kona Process 134 for $1999 plus tax (cdn). It has Shimano Deore parts, Rockshox Recon up front and a Rockshox Deluxe in back and a dropper post. I can't wait to ride it. I'm still keeping my hardtail.
Very nice! That sounds like an absolute bargain, enjoy!
~ Will
Great deal! Should be a fun bike. Deore is bulletproof. Ive been riding mtb 34 years and my main bike has Deore drivetrain and brakes.
I did just build up an Sworks epic frame with full XT though. Just havent got to ride it yet😅
@@johndef5075 Nice! I'm finishing an '17 S-Works Camber 650b build. While it's an "older" frame it was new in the box with the rear shock. Will get to ride it tomorrow. Full Fox Factory "Gold" coating setup (including the dropper post) ;)
You’ll never want to ride hardtail again.
I think I would spend just slighty more to get the Riftzone 2, with a dropper, and better spec all around. It will still cost less than half the price of the Habit, and the frame geo and kinematics are very good on that bike.
Great video man and lots of attention to detail. One issue I had is it would have been nice to see a time comparison for all four bikes. Other than that awesome video.
Can’t be a black run let alone double black! But good opportunity to test these back out on your local trial. I will be keen to try them out in my black runs. Good work
Very happy with my 1000 Euro Cube 29 Hardtail. Even some casual single trail/downhill is possible.
27.5 until I die, love the 650b wheels :)
Ya, he appeared to have them air-up too much. Amazing how much suspension you can get out of a properly-aired 27.5 tyre.
I also ride 27.5. Smaller tyre, better handling
Great video to compare different price points! I’d like to keep it in the mid level price and upgrade parts based on personal preferences and style. 🚲🚲
Thanks for the comment! Happy riding 🙌
~ Will
The hardtail with 27.5s appeared to have way too much air pressure in the tyres. The whole point of 27.5s on a hard tail is to drop the pressure some and use the tyre for your suspension.
Give me the budget hardtail all day every day! Budget bikes benefit from all the research into frame geometry and overall advancements while not having to pay for that research and development. I can also chain it up for 5 min while I get snacks at the store and not worry about someone with a grinder stealing it.
Thursday, at 3am?
Great video!
I'd go for the cheapest one. There's a certain charm about it and also makes you work a tad harder, which isn't a bad thing in my book.
Thanks for sharing! It was a really entertaining ride. And great value!
You guys should've got the Giordano Intrepid for the budget bike. That bike looks amazing.
$? GO Outdoors don’t ship outside the UK 🧐
i love the mustache pal ;)
Drop the cheap fs seat post, and do the drop. The bike can definitely cope with it
Started riding MTB about 4 years ago on a Trek Roscoe 8 (about 1.500$ in my country), yesterday I upgraded to a Trek Slash 9.8 GX ATX Gen 5 (about 8.000$ in my country)
Thanks for sharing! Both great bikes and pleased to hear you're still enjoying MTB!
~ Will
my english teacher had a cannondale habit, and i was allowed to bike on one trail with one time, and let me tell you, it was awesome.
Was it consensual?
@@IIISentorIII ofc
I like that the sounds of the bike and the road are clearly audible.
Thanks! We aim to please!
~ Will
I haven’t ridden my bike in about a year. Just watching you climb makes me feel the burn in my lungs lol
Haha, it was great fun trying to tackle it again and again. I think I prefer the descending though 😂
~ Will
You double black trail looks like a low blue in our language.
That’s uk trail centres for you
In Switzerland it's something between a gravel and XC trail 😁
Bro Really Said, With a hardtale “I Will now drop into a double Black dimond” that Wild😂
My santa cruz heckler SL AXO crushes all of these bikes. Even not using the battery it climbs well (im in shape) and it goes down like a magic carpet.
Sounds like an impressive machine! Thanks for commenting!
~ Will
This week my Cube Hybrid action team 140 gets delivered, can't wait...
You are in for a treat my friend! I have one and they’re awesome. Enjoy !
$? Why?
I think your just used to big ass 29ers now as just got a full sus embt with 27.5 wheels and there huge! When you come from old kona stinkys and Giant Atxs the 27.5 wheels are massive, to be honest I'm glad I didn't go for the 29in wheel version think it would be way to much bike and to top heavy. It's my first year back to mtb but went straight for the full sus! My days are well gone when I'd have another hardtail
full send theme song
Talkng about prices... The 650$ bike on my country Will be 3x or 4x more expensive. And looks Nice btw
Recently got a trail 5 for 600 cad and i love it
Nice vide. I would take
S-Works 😊
Thanks! It's an incredible machine and a joy to ride!
~ Will
Money buys happines. You just cant convince me otherwise.
Well, _some_ money obviously, but spending ten grand on an MTB is wildly unnecessary, and will add very little happiness over spending 1/10th as much, as this video demonstrates.
@@xxwookey If you have alot of money, spending money on a ten grand will not make you sleep less and it will give you alot of joy. There is no mountain biker that would get 10 grand bike and not be happy. I have 9 grand 2022 bike and it made me really happy. In fact i switched from 1 grand bike and it made me alot happier than 1/10th. Also widely unnecessary is widely opinionated. It all depends what kind of riding you do, what your demands are. This video demonstrates for the average rider. I like to you do 5 hours enduro rides on 1k bike course of the week. Your spinal cord will be splattered and your body will be beat. Main reason why i switched because the 1k bike was killing my body for the type of riding i did. If you will take 10k bike and ride casual trail ride on aftgernoon with your wife or kid. Then yeah go for 1k bike. Bikes from 4k up are highly specialized for certain riding. No 1000 dollar bike will be able or come close to the riding a 10k bike will give you.
I have a hard tail Marin San Quentin 2 that cost $1400 and it’s been a great bike, has a dropper post and well worth it for anyone new looking to buy, though it’s pronounced with accent at the end, ma-RIN 🙂
Thanks for sharing! Love the look of the geo on the San Quentin's...
~ Will
Meanwhile me riding a 120$ bike
Why u not talking in GBP when riding in FOD, UK? 🤔
The only issue with that hard tail is that the head tube isn’t tapered, so there aren’t any good fork upgrade options, which means you’d have to buy another frame to get a good fork. For just a little extra, you could get a frame with a tapered head tube and a bike you could actually keep forever
you can run a tapered fork in such a frame relatively easily if you use an external 1,5'' cup bearing on the underside of the headtube. On top you can run the normal semi integrated bearing.
Brands like Starling use this setup as standard from factory on, they use a normal, straight 1 1/8'' headtube in general
I bouth me an 1400€ Hardtail and i love it 😍 Orbea Alma H20
Got Felt Nine 70 2017 as a present some time ago could be fine for starters on some beginner trails ?
Sounds like a great recipe for a rider looking to get started in mountain biking. Enjoy the journey!
~ WIll
The exorcist style music in the background at the beginning though.....😅
If you want to appeal to a US audience use bikes available in the US, or stick to UK an GBP. For the Calibre and Marin dropping the posts would have allowed moving around on the descent for a more equal comparison. Also, know the products, effusing about the tyres on the S-Works as if they're something special when they're seen as a budget friendly option and certainly cheaper than those on the Cannondale.
Having watched a lot of Stumpjumper Evo tests, and trail bike field tests over the past couple years, what's interesting is that most favour the SJ Alloy Elite over the carbon SJ bikes and it's around the same price as the Cannondale!
There was a good point about the rear suspension giving better traction, with the Sumpjumper the more interesting point with that bike is the fact that the kinematics are so good you don't need to lock it out.
If you do one of these again it would probably be worth talking to the pros and cons of each change, internal cable routing, neater but can be noisy and harder to work out, AXS more robust, slick, but need to charge batteries... internal storage is a big one, totally missed. What are the marginal gains and are they worth it?
Good work using the same route.
No direct to consumer options?
I like the hard tail. I remind well when my friend with a hard tail go so fast that I cannot follow him with my full suspension bike. 😊. With this expérience, it confirm again to me that you can go faster with each bike.
I explain my loss. Because my Friend was 5 years younger than me. 99% of raison. And 1% because hé was better rider. 😂😊
Thanks for commenting, there are lots of hardtail fans out there! You're right - the rider is the most important component on any bike!
~ Will
Shooting with an insta360 acepro?
Love your moustache
Why thank you 💁♂️
~ Will
Any lap times for the bikes featured
"Clark (sic) M2 brakes" as the camera pans over a set of calipers with 'SHIMANO' emblazoned on them. A minute in and we're off to a good start, lads.
These brakes are (like you say Shimano) MT200s with RT10 rotors. Still a decent combination for beginner bikes.
10.000 USD + is pointles to buy complete bike! Unless it is on atleast 40% discount!
That money is meant for a proper build, as cons of slight cost decrease and even slightly higher quality components!
Many websites offer huge discounts on the very top range parts almost all year round too!
What a joke 11k. Thats too cheap
Wish I have also like this bikes
Awesome vid. What helmet are you wearing.
Thanks for the feedback! It's a Troy Lee A3 in Uno Camo Blue colourway: troyleedesigns.co.uk/products/sp22-a3-helmet-uno-blue
@@bikeradarthx mate.
“Extreme black “😂 my grandmother can ride down that…. Blindfolded
Is this an American channel or UK?
UK 🇬🇧
It appeared that the Cannondale was not as smooth over the terrain. I think it may have been set with the pressures a little too high. Otherwise, you can see that the bikes are progressively smoother over the terrain. Having a dropper means that you can sit on or near the seat and allow the suspension to do the work. Without the dropper, that changes and you don't always have an optimal position available to put your weight down. That's my theory on why the Marin was not even smoother. The stumpjumper has very sophisticated suspension components which you can see.
The shock on the s-works hasn’t even a piggy bag
It’s a trail bike, not really needed.
@@streddaz I think it does, the geometry is really capable, you will even take it to the bike park
@@McSchwabl if you were hitting bike parks up regularly, you would be better off with the Evo. That has a piggyback shock.
All a piggyback does is hold more air and/or oil for more fade resistance. You only need this if you’re doing very long, rough descents, all day long. I have a Stumpjumper Expert, and often ride Maydena bike park and still have never needed a piggyback shock. Unless you’re hitting DH level trails, 90% of the time a piggyback isn’t warranted.
In what world you go on a Black mtb track with 650 dollar bike whithout droping a seat
Let's be fair, it's more of a gravel trail anyhow 😁
Why you didn't drop saddle on first 2 bikes on a downhill? For me it is unfair comparison.
What I would buy nowadays, is a custom built Banshee Spitfire (configured for 650b), I've ridden one and honestly its an XC Weapon! fairly priced too. In this review, theres no full sus 27, no external cable routing so maintenance will be harder, and horrible bent downtube which hits logs if you get the bunny hop wrong, and none with 2 chainrings up front so cant ride my local trails as you do need very high range gears here ... damn i wouldnt buy any of them. I'll stick with my Aluminium Intense Tracer 275 from 2016 and my 2006 Giant Trance thanks. :) In the past, ever ten years or less i would buy a new mid/high end bike, and usually it was about about £200-400 increase over the years, but now, £3000 price jump is a bit silly for a worse product.
I thought the whole idea of the super-fancy suspension systems was that you shouldn't need to lock out the rear suspension to climb a fire road, or any road, climb.
It’s about kinematic’s and a lot of bike brands are stuck with a system that needs lockout to work both up and down 🤷♂️
@@wonderwatch2239 that's kinda the point... the Specialized system shouldn't need it. I was surprised he rode it with it locked out.
If I had $11,000 i would buy ticket to maldives and would chill there XD
I really enjoyed the video and is content. And it was great to see all the bikes going down the same trail to have a good comparison.
The only criticism I have is why is it in American dollars, not British pounds?
Where do you think most people are watching?
I'd take the Marin and upgrade it
Thanks for commenting! That's the great thing about a bike with a good frame - you can just keep upgrading it!
~ Will
I won't spend over $3k for an analog bike, $4k for an EMTB. I just buy used, couple years old with top of the line components. Until manufactures stop being greedy, I'll stick to used
Nothing like paying a ton of money for a bike then having brakes howling like crazy.
Back in the day we had $200-300 bikes and never had all the howling,rattles and clunks these new bikes have. That should tell you something about the current quality.
Starting with a Marin Rift Zone frame I built up my own 26 lb full suspension bike for a little over $3000 USD including the frame price. I waited for parts sales and did some wheeling and dealing and got my dream bike for much less money than retail. That includes a fox factory 34 fork.
26 lbs. is impressive. Should be a ripper.
@@johndef5075 Just had my first trail ride of the year yesterday. Man it's fun flicking around a light bike.
I just built a 2017 Sworks Epic WC from a new old stock frame. Full XT 12 speed with a Fox 32 Stepcast fork. With alloy cockpit and wheels its 25.2 lbs. with pedals.
The bike is amazing and ended up costing around $2800. Couldnt be happier.
@richardvankastle359 im firmly in the light fast category. Shocked at how much some new bikes weigh.
@@johndef5075 Beautiful! I love flicking around a light bike
The moustache was by far the fanciest thing in the video
Why thank you. I think the $11k Specialized was more fancy though IMO 😂
~ Will
Which bike is your favourite?
the rift zone, not doing the drop was bull s**t!
The calibre. Add a dropper post and upgrade the tyres when they wear out FTW.
Cannondale Carbon Habit LT, I have it, upgrade to XO transmission and AXS Reverb dropper.
I like the one I can buy in GBP. Who else uses Dollars in the UK? And which countries Dollars were you quoting in the video?
Just another sucking up to the money men video. Shame.
would still ride a hardtail cause
1. im broke
2. even tho like 90% of the time full squishies are faster hardtails can do the job and give you a fun ride
Thanks for sharing! We're planning some videos featuring hardtails as I write this so watch this space!
~ Will
My favorite bikes are the ones I dig out of road side trash. You’d be surprised what folks chunk living in a tourist town.
I have hit harder tracks than that on a 650$ bmx😐good review tho👍
I've used mountain bikes at different price ranges. And I'll tell anyone new to cycling this. You 100% do not need to spend thousands on any bike unless you're competing professionally in trail/enduro events. The difference in price is saving 1 or 2 seconds, and that has no real purpose in the real world. 1 to 2 grand is the best price point
Sounds like you've given this some thought, thanks for commenting!
~ Will
Doubble black diamond trail??
Details on Cougar (and other tracks around the Forest Of Dean) can be found here: www.deantrailvolunteers.org.uk/trail-info#Cougar
$11.000 is just insane. I think this bike is only used if you have RedBull or Fox as your sponsor and they buy it for you.
I wish you had spoken to a bit more specs, like weight, price of parts, brake rotor size, etc. Also size of axles, bearings and many other important things. Like the hardtail headset is smaller than the other ones and says in the manual when you buy it 'Not designed for downhill use'
And dropper post, rims, drivetrain, the critical importance of fork and shock settings and tuning for different riding and riders.
And I think the biggest truth here: a cheap hardtail will break if you push it hard enough on things the 5k+ bike is able to handle. Especially on very rocky bumpy stuff longterm
Not sure theyll take dollars at all at Go Outdoors...
Why we talking in $ .
I'd suggest buying your buddy who works in a local bike shop a really good bear and asking him to help you out with sifting through a local second hand bike market. You can find some ridiculously amazing deals there... and you might end up with an overpriced lemon. That's why it's really important to have someone who really knows his stuff when you are going to check the potential deal out. My friend went to buy a bike during the evening and missed a rust spot. Ended up with a busted fork. I one the other hand got a full kashima sus, 1*11 xt drivetrain and tallboy 2 frame in great condition for little more than $1300. Something of compatible quality new would easily have costed 4-5 times as much. And the difference wouldn't have been all that great anyway.
Thanks for commenting! Buying used bikes can be really tricky and experience is key!
~ Will
MB USA why dollars
They know where the majority of their viewers are from using analytics. It’s not rocket science…
If I had $11,000 to spend on a MTB. I would buy a $98 huffy bike at walmart and go to traveling🤣
All bikes a nice but 650 Dollars or 11k dollars (in uk) you still need to pedal 😄😄😄 for 11k i would choose mt09😉
hardtail the goat!!!!!
Thanks for commenting, I know there are some hardcore riders out there on hardtails!
~ Will
I know FOD when I see it. Just curious though. You’re at a bike park in England but pricing the bikes in dollars. Why?
I thought this was supposed to be MBUK not MBUSA ?
I have a 400$ hardtail 29er MTB and i think 2000$ is way too much for a bike .you can go to philippines and the bikes and bike parts like s works, shimano and sram are cheap and original.
Just my opinion 😅
Unfortunately, Europe and the US are very expensive. The manufacturers love charging ridiculous prices for bikes and parts. Then there is high taxes added on products
Hard tail was totaly unnecesery for the comparishment!
Steal a Cannondale --> sell it $ --> buy a Calibre ---> enjoy life 😎🚲
Do this comparison again with eMTB.
Thanks for sharing, we always love ideas for future videos!
~ Will
bro my bike has mechanical disc brakes, a suspension i never heard of and it was 700
and you're telling me that hardtail with hydarulic disck brakes and a ROCKSHOX suspension was 650? bruh
He's right. The Calibre Lake is now £525 and has a Rockshox (presumably bottom of the line) Judy and hydraulic disc brakes. It is a very good value bike. Equally you are also right that you normally pay 700 up for that sort of spec. But Go Outdoors and Decathlon do really good value bikes. They aren't just cheap shit. (Even their £275 bottom of the range bikes look like pretty good value with disc Suntour and Shimano reasonable parts).
I had the thr cash to buy a 6000k 2023 Santa cruze Hightower i bought a 22 kona process for 2500 instead lol
id still prefer my trek marlin 6 to build skill. (i cant afford a full suspension bike)
Glad you're enjoying your hardtail! Did you see pro rider Harriet Harnden ripping up a downhill run on the Trek Marlin 6 here? ruclips.net/video/Q9vWIEzVV_8/видео.html
The hardtail should have used Advent X instead. That drivetrain looks dated.
thats a double black trail?😂😂😂 that barely a blue.
I can't even afford the $650 one
Technically should all be full suspension the cheapest is a ard tain and not in a full suspension class there a few sub £600 full suspension