The amount of new players and the lack of stock and problems with the electronics supply chains made everything more expensive. I should’ve bought a brand new t300 rs gt for 250 2 years ago. Now it’s 350 used. Fanatec has pre order dates that keep getting pushed forward while they are waiting for their chips.
Wouldn't be surprised if it's basically Simagic letting another company rebrand their hardware with slight changes. Chinese companies seem to do this a lot.
I wanted a Moza R9...but they seem t olack any experience in retailing and marketing. Of the 2 online available for order, nobody has a definite idea when they will ship!
Hi Barry, could you please tell me what make and model of microphone you are using and how you record your audio "if you don't mind". I like that type of microphone because it's always by your mouth, so the audio level and quality don't change when you move your head around, unlike lavalier, overhead mounted, and camera mounted microphones. Thanks in advance buddy, keep up the great work.
@Ww Jnz The Telefunken U47 is a large-diaphragm condenser microphone, I'm referring to the tiny head-worn microphone that he has by his mouth. It's possibly a Countryman B6 but I'm not sure.
Hello I really appreciate your remarks about the ffb, at the beginning of the video. Indeed too many people buy this type of material, to then put the ffb to the max, or to 20/30%
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt Don't worry about it. This is more expensive than Simagic (from what I could find). I think they are trying to compete with VRS or Simucube maybe.
So glad u did this review I was looking at them was not sure on them in the market for a dd wheel but I'm nervous on buying one want to spend the money once
After all the latest reviews of new DD players it still seems apparent that the Simucube 2 Pro is still best solution for 99.99% of sim racers in the market for a higher end DD experience
@@Diegoart88 I am keeping my DD1, after the 442/443 beta drivers, it feels on par with Simucube now and I just invested in the super expensive podium mount which look awsome and are super sturdy
@@OculusDrift yess verry true ! you can say its like the g29 of direct drives hahah got one too sold it aftr one week and got myself a clubsport for now .. if im upgrading again it highly gonnna be the cammus 15 nm dd for 500 $
@@AboutaMileAdventures I feel nothing but disappointment when I use my CSL DD. I expected to be like "wow, this is amazing" when I got it. The first thing I said when I plugged it in and started driving was "Is that it?" It's so weak that I spent a few days trying to make sure my boost kit was actually a boost kit.
We really need a scoring system on your website or ranked wheel/pedal/shifter lists. You do these great reviews but it is still very hard to compare products with each other. It comes down to watching all the reviews, discarding the ones that something negative is said about one of their features and then guessing between positive ones, I think we need better
To do this is to alienate the manufacturers and no longer receive from them, elements to test ... moreover, I watch all these videos and so far, he managed to make me understand clearly, which is good or not (there is little material to put aside) Finally, making a ranking on his part would not be objective, insofar as everyone's feelings are totally different... look for example, when he changed pedals, following his leg problems
Interesting base! Personally I only use 1 hand on the wheel throughout a race. One handed steering, letting my right hand focus on the shifting. It also forces me to not rely on the steering when driving. But I like steering with more vibrations so I can get my blood flowing a bit more and get in the zone.
I will have to investigate if this is either a complete replica of the Simucube or a mix between copying and sourcing the same components. If this company is just trying to replicate Simucube, a 6-10% reduction in price compared to Simucube would still not make it worth it for me at least. For those differences I'd always go with Simucube. Would also love to hear what Simucube thinks about this company and their products.
Hi Barry, I am going to ask a very trick question. In terms of base itself, which one do you think best and worst, including vrs, simagic alpha and et5.
@@OculusDrift Thanks,man. I understand my question itself is too aggressive, since Barry didn’t argue with your answer, I assume that he has the same view.
Hey man can u help me with something..... my logitechs g29 rotation is broken .... it used to rotate 900 degrees but now it just keep rotating without ending far more than 900 can
Well interesting that so many newcomers flooding the market now. Great for us. And yes, FFB is highly subjective. But you say that youre aiming for a close to reality feel and a real life racecar doesnt oscillate as crazy when talking hands of the wheel. No offense, just saying. 😉 A little more damping and it should be gone for good
@@AdamOutlaw87 It depends were you are coming from. For example, i came from a Thrustmaster T300 and T-GT, So the DD Pro feels more powerful but also very smooth
@@giogamer4825 i understand im not knocking the pro im just stating how its very entry level and thats why its priced where it is. I race with a leo bodnar dd so every other dd out there is not as good for me but thats me. Your right though so maybe the pro is what u need. U will still have fun with it no doubt about it compared to a thrustmaster u would actually be in dd heaven so go for it👍
@@giogamer4825 don't listen to the idiot who replied. I have a $7000 plus sim rig on my PC with simucube 2 sport and heusinkvekd sprint pedals plus so much more. And I have the fanatec gt DD package with 8nm kit and it's fine. I use the fanatec for ps5 and Xbox series x only.
I believe it works the same as the other wheel base. If you want to use the other wheels, you just need the qr with your wheel and plug in thru the usb to your PC. But this one is smart that it actually has the hub on the base.
Does anyone know if it's possible to get the separate qr they sell, and mount let's say a cube controls wheel to this base? If that's the case I would 100% think about getting this base.
@sigma male 23 I just realized, you mean that the screws are from the inside of the wheel to the QR, and the regular is from the outside to the QR, right?
@sigma male 23 I think that would be possible. Probably just have to line it up correctly. Or you could maybe mount the wheel upside down and configure it right side up in the software. Thanks for letting me know what qr system they use.
Yep, I don't know why thrustmaster and logitech are so slow to the dd market. They have the door wide open for return customers to follow an upgrade path from their entry level setups.
Smicube and Simagic had a baby that was then stolen from the ward. Their webpage look very close to the Simagic webpage. I wonder if someone left the company and stole intellectual property?
Their (IMM-Source) website doesnt really work. It lacks its SSL certs and the page navigation as well as virtually every other button/href is not functional. I can't say I could take a company seriously with this level of laziness or incompetence - neither of which would be excusable really.
I own a simagic mini, P2000 pedals , optional mount and E stop, and I'm a pretty Loyal simagic owner and fan but I'm getting pretty pissed off about all of these clones popping up everywhere looking the exact same as my fuckin wheel
They copied SIMAGIC wireless power design and communication as well as light sensor shifting technology. I foresee buyers with warranty risk if legal action is taken.
It's a generic shell design, don't see why that should bother you. The product is decent, and more players in the market means more competition and cheaper and better products.
really not impressed with the software...damping at 100% (0 dynamic) should give the wheel realistic "weighty" feel... this one seems off a little. if youre peaking at under 10NM, then you should have headroom for plenty of detail.
Hopefully the amount of new players in the market brings DD prices down even further.
The amount of new players and the lack of stock and problems with the electronics supply chains made everything more expensive. I should’ve bought a brand new t300 rs gt for 250 2 years ago. Now it’s 350 used. Fanatec has pre order dates that keep getting pushed forward while they are waiting for their chips.
Great that we’re getting so many more force feedback wheels! Great review as usual
@@tomsawyer2112 you’re not wrong on that, but competition brings the price down
@@JoshuaStone and its bringing alternatives for almost every Budget. 💪
The electromagnetic connection is SMART. First time I've seen such a thing.
me too!
Thank you for always providing measurements in your reviews
That steering wheel looks very Simagic-y
So does the wheelbase....
@@rubbertoe. looks more simucube to me
Simagic twin Brother 😳
Even the software is about the same
Wouldn't be surprised if it's basically Simagic letting another company rebrand their hardware with slight changes. Chinese companies seem to do this a lot.
@@kit-the-kat-skelanimal-plush they probably all invested into the R&D or simagic parent company sells the license
Best line of the review "Gotta have a little lash in that shaft" Brilliant 🤣
So many DD bases popping up these days. We need a ranking system
I wanted a Moza R9...but they seem t olack any experience in retailing and marketing. Of the 2 online available for order, nobody has a definite idea when they will ship!
Will you review the Moza R9?
I’m waiting on this review!!
@@MrDonotter It's done!!
It looks so similar to the simagic alpha mini and the gt1 wheel too
Hey! I recommend you doing a review on the Cammus DD 15 NM wheelbase!
Hi Barry, could you please tell me what make and model of microphone you are using and how you record your audio "if you don't mind". I like that type of microphone because it's always by your mouth, so the audio level and quality don't change when you move your head around, unlike lavalier, overhead mounted, and camera mounted microphones. Thanks in advance buddy, keep up the great work.
He may be using a Telefunken U47. I hear it's popular.
@Ww Jnz The Telefunken U47 is a large-diaphragm condenser microphone, I'm referring to the tiny head-worn microphone that he has by his mouth. It's possibly a Countryman B6 but I'm not sure.
Pleaaaase review Moza r9 Barry
Hello
I really appreciate your remarks about the ffb, at the beginning of the video.
Indeed too many people buy this type of material, to then put the ffb to the max, or to 20/30%
It’s just a rebranded Simagic unit. More than likely built & assembled in the same factory somewhere in China.
I noticed the resemblance immediately
As a loyal Simagic owner i'm pretty pissed about this ngl
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt Don't worry about it. This is more expensive than Simagic (from what I could find). I think they are trying to compete with VRS or Simucube maybe.
So glad u did this review I was looking at them was not sure on them in the market for a dd wheel but I'm nervous on buying one want to spend the money once
Same here. This is no small amount of money for me. I don't want to get burned... or even slightly warmed.
After all the latest reviews of new DD players it still seems apparent that the Simucube 2 Pro is still best solution for 99.99% of sim racers in the market for a higher end DD experience
not really
Depending on the country, the market would favor one product more than another and not all pilots want such high ffb
I prefer my podium dd2....
@@Diegoart88 I am keeping my DD1, after the 442/443 beta drivers, it feels on par with Simucube now and I just invested in the super expensive podium mount which look awsome and are super sturdy
Oh wow!!!!
Great review Barry, any idea when you will review the CSL DD?
CSL DD sucks, I have one. I'm buying an ET5 soon.
@@OculusDrift I have the gt dd, it’s awesome, coming from a fanatec gt3rs that lasted 8 years and still works well.
@@OculusDrift yess verry true ! you can say its like the g29 of direct drives hahah got one too sold it aftr one week and got myself a clubsport for now .. if im upgrading again it highly gonnna be the cammus 15 nm dd for 500 $
@@shizle8714 I'm getting either an ET3 or ET5. My friend recently bought an ET5 and I can't wait to try it 😁
@@AboutaMileAdventures I feel nothing but disappointment when I use my CSL DD. I expected to be like "wow, this is amazing" when I got it.
The first thing I said when I plugged it in and started driving was "Is that it?"
It's so weak that I spent a few days trying to make sure my boost kit was actually a boost kit.
We really need a scoring system on your website or ranked wheel/pedal/shifter lists. You do these great reviews but it is still very hard to compare products with each other. It comes down to watching all the reviews, discarding the ones that something negative is said about one of their features and then guessing between positive ones, I think we need better
To do this is to alienate the manufacturers and no longer receive from them, elements to test ... moreover, I watch all these videos and so far, he managed to make me understand clearly, which is good or not (there is little material to put aside)
Finally, making a ranking on his part would not be objective, insofar as everyone's feelings are totally different... look for example, when he changed pedals, following his leg problems
Nice stuff, i like it, its not a Leo B. lol; Thanks info Barry
Please try the SC2 Ultimate,it's amazing!
From memory, it's done
Will a Cammus wheelbase/steering wheel combo review be coming soon?
im waitin for the same thing
Interesting base! Personally I only use 1 hand on the wheel throughout a race. One handed steering, letting my right hand focus on the shifting. It also forces me to not rely on the steering when driving. But I like steering with more vibrations so I can get my blood flowing a bit more and get in the zone.
Awesome review like always, I can’t figure out the website to switch it to English, what does this wheel and base go for?
In the UK it's £910 for the base alone, or £1195 with the steering wheel. In Europe it's €1089 for base and €1429 w/wheel.
@@bigredracingteam9642 Why would anyone pick this over Simucube 2 Sport or Pro then lol
@@versedi That's the question. To save a little money, would be my guess. I'd pick a Simucube 2 Sport instead of this, though.
@@bigredracingteam9642 correct !!
@@versedi £1195 for 17nm base + wheel rim is a lot cheaper than simucube + a wireless rim
Hi Barry! Why no review on the CSL DD?? I Realize it’s low on nM’s but a lot of people are getting them.
That's an Australian power cord they sent by the look of it
Aussie and chinese yeah
I will have to investigate if this is either a complete replica of the Simucube or a mix between copying and sourcing the same components.
If this company is just trying to replicate Simucube, a 6-10% reduction in price compared to Simucube would still not make it worth it for me at least. For those differences I'd always go with Simucube.
Would also love to hear what Simucube thinks about this company and their products.
Hi Barry, I am going to ask a very trick question. In terms of base itself, which one do you think best and worst, including vrs, simagic alpha and et5.
Barry won't answer, but the best is the VRS DFP. However, the Alpha and ET5 are much more consumer friendly.
@@OculusDrift Thanks,man. I understand my question itself is too aggressive, since Barry didn’t argue with your answer, I assume that he has the same view.
@@gaoroy1835 Barry doesn't read the comments lol
@@OculusDrift lol
Hey man can u help me with something..... my logitechs g29 rotation is broken .... it used to rotate 900 degrees but now it just keep rotating without ending far more than 900 can
Dude there are a ton of videos on repairing that.
Well interesting that so many newcomers flooding the market now. Great for us. And yes, FFB is highly subjective. But you say that youre aiming for a close to reality feel and a real life racecar doesnt oscillate as crazy when talking hands of the wheel. No offense, just saying. 😉 A little more damping and it should be gone for good
Why the simucube does not have such a steering wheel power supply?
What
Hope Barry does the CSL DD/DD Pro
Its weak you will be disapointed and keep in mind is a entry level dd so thats why its weak
@@AdamOutlaw87 It depends were you are coming from. For example, i came from a Thrustmaster T300 and T-GT, So the DD Pro feels more powerful but also very smooth
@@giogamer4825 i understand im not knocking the pro im just stating how its very entry level and thats why its priced where it is. I race with a leo bodnar dd so every other dd out there is not as good for me but thats me. Your right though so maybe the pro is what u need. U will still have fun with it no doubt about it compared to a thrustmaster u would actually be in dd heaven so go for it👍
@@AdamOutlaw87 doesn't mean you did wheel base is the best lol
@@giogamer4825 don't listen to the idiot who replied.
I have a $7000 plus sim rig on my PC with simucube 2 sport and heusinkvekd sprint pedals plus so much more.
And I have the fanatec gt DD package with 8nm kit and it's fine. I use the fanatec for ps5 and Xbox series x only.
have you heard anything about the Cammus?
Hi is it possible to share a link for the driver? the offical site is down cannot find it anywhere.. (in hand with a ET3)
this is just simagic
simagic but better
@@OculusDrift Fanatec should do the same
@@NamePend Yeah but they won't. Fanatec suck.
would third party wheels be able to work on that wheel? or does it have a similar system to the fanatec ecosystem?
I believe it works the same as the other wheel base. If you want to use the other wheels, you just need the qr with your wheel and plug in thru the usb to your PC. But this one is smart that it actually has the hub on the base.
missed opportunity to call it SimmSource
Is power to the induction coil provided by wiring that is twisted when steering?
It won't be twisted because motors spin infinitely
Great channel but the “sim tax “ on the price of these things is just that sim tax
How to dismantle FD1
what motors do these guys use ? Mİge ?
Never heard of this brand. any good?
Barry's just done a video of it here: ruclips.net/video/7E07ADDGED0/видео.html
What degrees are your monitors are set at 45 or more?
Look in the description of video is says 60 degrees . With a list of his computer specs
fanatec shouldve gotten a wheel from whoever supplies them lol
Does anyone know if it's possible to get the separate qr they sell, and mount let's say a cube controls wheel to this base? If that's the case I would 100% think about getting this base.
It looks like a Simagic QR to me. But I could be wrong.
@sigma male 23 are they? Good to know!
@sigma male 23 I just realized, you mean that the screws are from the inside of the wheel to the QR, and the regular is from the outside to the QR, right?
@sigma male 23 oh! NVM
@sigma male 23 I think that would be possible. Probably just have to line it up correctly. Or you could maybe mount the wheel upside down and configure it right side up in the software. Thanks for letting me know what qr system they use.
Father is that you?
lol
Whats the price? cant find it on their website
Look under Distributors. In the UK it's £910 for the base alone, or £1195 with the steering wheel. In Europe it's €1089 for base and €1429 w/wheel.
@@bigredracingteam9642 thank you
@@bigredracingteam9642 lol
It`s almost the price of the simucube
@@THESHADOW97139 besides simucube is way better
Still nothing from Thrustmaster...they are going to get stomped by the competition.
Yep, I don't know why thrustmaster and logitech are so slow to the dd market. They have the door wide open for return customers to follow an upgrade path from their entry level setups.
Smicube and Simagic had a baby that was then stolen from the ward. Their webpage look very close to the Simagic webpage. I wonder if someone left the company and stole intellectual property?
17nm? glad i skipped leg day
ᎮᏒᎧᎷᎧᏕᎷ 🤣
Their (IMM-Source) website doesnt really work. It lacks its SSL certs and the page navigation as well as virtually every other button/href is not functional. I can't say I could take a company seriously with this level of laziness or incompetence - neither of which would be excusable really.
Didn’t hear Baz talk about that!
I own a simagic mini, P2000 pedals , optional mount and E stop, and I'm a pretty Loyal simagic owner and fan but I'm getting pretty pissed off about all of these clones popping up everywhere looking the exact same as my fuckin wheel
lol
They almost all come from the same factories...
Chynaaaaaa!
They copied SIMAGIC wireless power design and communication as well as light sensor shifting technology. I foresee buyers with warranty risk if legal action is taken.
Prb built some stuff for them and now using their tech to build it cheaper
They're both chinese companies, and copyright doesn't exist in China
@@OculusDrift that's factually incorrect, copyright does exist in China whether you want to believe that or not is another matter.
Looks like a chinese Simucube Clone, Not a fan of that
It's a generic shell design, don't see why that should bother you. The product is decent, and more players in the market means more competition and cheaper and better products.
Good copy of Simagic in all aspects... technology, components... violating patents
really not impressed with the software...damping at 100% (0 dynamic) should give the wheel realistic "weighty" feel... this one seems off a little. if youre peaking at under 10NM, then you should have headroom for plenty of detail.
look at how simagic started and then come back. this isn't so bad. this is their first wheelbase and the software was only released a month or two ago