Only 2 mins in and I am already thankful that you give both imperial and metric units. I have a hard time with reviews only using imperial if they are from the USA. Good to see you acknowledge your viewers might not always be American.
I can't believe that while Barry has become THE absolute benchmark for sim gear reviews, he has still to make any interview for RaceDepartment etc. that would be awesome imo
@@brightmarksman1425 I bought their CRP pedals. Issues with the pedal brake feeling like so springy. A noticeable notchiness when slowly coming on and off the brake pedal. A design flaw which caused the pedal arms to munch through and ruin my anodised black aluminium profile to which it was mounted to. (Need to add a washer underneath to raise it 1mm) but damage was already done. Pedal plate is useless with so much flex and missing drill holes. Clutch starting squeaking like a mofo after a few days. It has been over 1 month, Moza keep you in the loop by saying "We will ge glad to help." "Give us more time to review your concerns" It has been weeks with no reply lol. I have tried calling them, emailing them, and messaging on their facebook.
@@Luftrille Refunded, and they let me keep my pedals which I sold for dirt cheap. However, this took months to happen, and they only reached out to me when they saw a negative comment by me on Boosted Media.
@@StatsGam4er Thats the issue with all these asian products. And why I rather not buy any of them. If anything, I would only buy it from a local distributor that will replace defect parts.
@@Luftrille Very good value for money, the axis does not move, the qr is excellent, the finish is rather good without being excellent. feeling level is very good, since this video moza has improved the firmware. I had to deal with the after sale service because of an update, very reactive and very serious. Since I changed equipment for a simucube pro because I have an offer not to miss on used market but I admit that between the 2, apart from the power there is not much difference in feeling.
@@Luftrille I don't know the simagic but I think it will be very close, in terms of finish the simagic seems a little better but is more expensive, you also have to take into account the after-sales service policy, that's why I 've been to moza.
love your reviews I have just mounted mine and so far i am loving it, The wheel feels and looks great and the base has plenty of feel I think Moza are doing a good job had no problem and arrived well packaged with no damage
Very nice looking base and wheel, also very good video as always :) Small tip for Mr Barry, if you measure a mounting hole with your caliper and then zero it, you can measure the mounting holes from side to side and read the exact space between the holes and when you then close your caliper it will show you the diameter of the hole so you don't have to guess if its M5 or M6 thread :) Thx for your well made videos.
This guy is a clown. Wrecking stuff that could be used to teach children in underprivileged areas a skill that might lead to them becoming tradesmen or engineers. You're a suckup
As their wheels are rather expensive with not many options to choose from, they should be selling this base in a bundle with standard 6x70mm quickrelease included, so the budget buyers can just use any aftermarket car steering wheel. Would make it much more interesting option than fanatecs csl dd money wise ;)
@@crawfordbrown75 Another 50... absolutely yes ;) You can get those quickreleases separately, but usually its all aftermarket tuners orientated car parts upwards 100$ range.
There is a wheelbase from the Company CAMMUS they have for 600$ a 15nm direct drive motor with an actuall nrg typ qr. I changed mine to an inexpensiv qr1 for about 50$. love this wheelbase
Hey Barry, I have a idea for a show. How about setting up your seating and pedal position. Some people have do it already, but your the technician for all things sim related. And I think your view points on seating, steering wheel and pedal position would help alot of people. Thanks man
MOZA must have updated something since this review - I just received the R9 V2 & GS wheel yesterday. There is zero “notchiness” now. I was concerned when I ordered MOZA gear after seeing this review, and I’m glad there was nothing to be worried about. I am still trying to get more warning before my tires slip or lock up, though. If anyone has tips on which setting to tweak to gain that, I’d appreciate hearing it. Enjoy the gear, folks!
@@gilgamesh8888 (I ordered direct from MOZA.) BTW, I tried MOZA R9 settings by a few RUclips reviewers, and this guy’s settings felt the best to me. My settings are based on SIm Racing Garage’s.
Great review. Just my 10 cents worth here but the grip seams are no different to Fanatec OEM grips just so we get a fair comparison. The third party grips Barry was referring to are made by me at Pineapple Grips in the UK (Fanatec and SRM). We have never had one complaint about the seam so I think it may just be Barry levels of OCD here 😁 We will be adding Moza third party grips to our range very soon.
@@fastissimo6777 The seam gap Barry is referring to is not caused by material being genuine Alcantara or not. We use genuine Alcantara but you would have to ask Moza to confirm what they are using. There are otter material producers who make faux suede on par with Alcantara’s faux suede.
I'm buying a golf Sim right now. And obviously as a viewer of your channel I'm doing extensive research. Boy you don't know what you've got until it's gone. No one does videos like you on that stuff..... Or possibly on anything. Thank you !
Hi Barry, Love your reviews, in-depth, clear arguments for and against, great process and fair overal assessments without financial incentives to lean either way. I've seen an unboxing of the R9 and mounting hardware was included, however the unboxer only found them by shaking the box as it was somewhat hidden. Perhaps your review unit did not come with them.
The R9 base looks like a previous Xbox design. I actually prefer this over old others’ old clique appearances. Hardware seems neat and well engineered. GS wheel is 300mm in diameter and comes with backlit and metal quick release. I’m gonna preorder this bundle!
It can moza have released a hub for around $ 50 and you plus the rim into that instead of the wheel base. It has taken them awhile but slowly but surely moza are expanding their range and compatibility. Maybe not as quickly as we would like but they are getting there give them another 5 years and I am sure they will be as versatile as other brands that have been in the market longer than moza.
@@lordomacron3719 didn't know that, it's super cool! I have an R9 now but I was looking into the somatic wheel bases for more torque (the moza high torque ones are way too bulky for my setup)... But I didn't want to lose the steering wheel, as I love the design and useability. Great news, thanks!
@@FAB1150 here is Sim Racing Garage video on the hub. ruclips.net/video/IZkOoQFrZJ4/видео.html Hope it helps I’m still new to sim racing so I’m still learning myself. But I chose moza as it fit my budget nicely with the r9. I think I will upgrade one day to a higher nm base but first I need to build a little more muscle to handle it. I think this is a consideration that many forget if you have not trained to be a race driver the higher force bases are likely a little too much to handle for newcomers to the hobby. I’m a tall and thin never really exercised much outside of walking my dog. So my arm strength was not ready for high nm bases after trying out a 20nm one at a exhibition. Hence I started out with the r9.
One the price point is great. It’s less expensive for more power. The tuning is far easier and can be handled on my phone. No need for multiple apps. The wheel is great. I had the the McLaren wheel and spent over $200 to get magnetic shifters and the qr1. For $499 the gs is so much better. I think for me the sell was the price and quality. I’ll have a video on my experience too.
Liked and subscribed. Is Sim Racing Garage going to review the CSL DD 8Nm? I feel the CSL DD, R9 and Simagic Alpha mini are going to be the three big entry level DD base units. It would be nice to see a CSL DD review as I can see videos for the CSL Elite and CSL Clubsport 2.5 but not the CSL DD
Great review as usual can't beat the detail you get. Mine has just arrived, love the increased FFB compared to my G29. The question I have is around Wheel Settings in ACC. GT is set at 540 but if I am using, say a Porsche which has a recommend setting of 800 in ACC, do I need to change to 800 or does the having the 'synchronous toggled ON take care of this?
Great looking wheel. Wish that in the future companies make wheels to be cross compatible with perhaps interchsngable qr s and bluetooth for the electronics. Ive got a fanatec dd and the formula wheel but would love this wheel for my collection
How is it in other games, could the notchiness be due to the lower FFB frequency in iRacing? If so, it could be solved with software such as irffb to upsample the FFB.
@@gorxking_ Je ne cherche plus rien .... burn out .... plein Le c .... l des minis transactions dans les jeux ( dossier diablo /wow / GT7 etc .... ) Je vais faire une pause .... De Guadeloupe ?? Tu cherches du matos ??
@THESHADOW97139 ah carrément bah ta bien raison de faire une pause du coup , et oui je cherche un dd mais moza je sais pas en combien de temps ils livrent
Comme d`hab .... youtube qui supprime les liens .... pffuuuuu Dans les notifications au dessus à droite, tu trouveras mon message, qui a été lourder ....
Warning! All these RUclips videos are great and interesting. The one thing they don’t do is inform you what their products are like to live with over a period of time. If you wish to have a happy and content life please take my advise and look at the FANATEC’s own Forum in regards to all the issues they have and their terrible customer service. I have one word to the question should you purchase FANATEC products? DONT. I would have had the same amount of problems with a real race car.. On a lighter note Im very grateful FANATEC do not build motor vehicles
@@JP-xd6fm different price brackets again, i think simucube is the benchmark all of the wheelbases are measured from. The Simagic Alpha and Alpha U seem to be getting closer to the simucube range now.
I need everyone's opinion on this : Is it better to buy this combo instead of the Fanatec CSL DD + McLaren GT3 wheel ? I know the formula would compare much more to the GS wheel but for the use I have the McLaren would be enough. The price difference totals to +200 euros for the Moza equipment. Please let me know !
Honestly its all preference, the Fanatec wheels arent the same quality level as the GS wheel is. That said there are budget wheels coming in a few weeks for the R9 meaning there will be more options probably in the same bracket as the Fanatec products your thinking about, if you can stretch for the GS wheel its an amazing piece of kit.
@@luked1964 I'm from Australia. Took about 2 and a half weeks. I think moza have some kind of direct U.S distributor so it might be faster if you were able to order local. I had to order mine straight from Hong kong
@@alec7568 thank you very much for responding. I think mine is coming from that side of the globe as well because shipping was like $130usd for the base,wheel and adapter plate. I’m pretty excited though. I’ve been using a Thrustmaster TMX for the better part of 4-5 years and it’s been a great cheap wheel. Looking forward to DD. Cheers
@@luked1964 always happy to help out a sim racer 👍 I actually upgraded from the same kind of thrustmaster wheel and let me tell you thill will blow your mind when you fire it up man.
My base & wheel are set to arrive this week. I wanted to wait for Barry's review, but was concerned about long wait or price increases. Looks like a good choice in my part, good review! Should be a nice upgrade from my G920.
Steering is supposed to get heavier at higher speeds due to downforce affecting the handling of the car. If I drive 150km/h in my car it drives as if no powersteering is present for example.
It’s not just because of downforce, at higher speeds the car has more momentum, and that momentum results in a larger force trying to straighten out your wheels.
I can´t believe such a master reviewer that is always taking everything till the smallest detail is using iRacing to check how the ffb is. There is no a proper review without testing the base with ACC, AC or rFactor 2. Especially the first simulator.
Thanks for putting this out there, have seen this base and wheel and wanna buy it and this helps solidify my choice. One question though: what do you mean by "notchiness"? Like a deadzone right in the middle of the steering angle where it takes 1 or 2 degrees for it to actually start turning or more of a lighter feeling at that area? Thanks!
@@Menthor3 When I look up ''Notchy'' I meanly get definitions involving a manual transmission : "difficult to use because the lever has to be moved accurately (as if into a narrow notch)". I have found a dictionary website that uses synonyms for the word ''Notchy'' and those are ''not smooth; jerky". I assume the middle part moves in a rather jerky manner compared to the rest of the forces felt when steering.
@@bennson13 ah I understand. Thank you for taking the time explaining! Now that I ordered the wheel myself, I will inevitably experience the "notchiness" myself anyway ;)
@@bennson13 I think I got it, to me it would feel like my g29 wheel when I put too much FFB on it, you can feel the gear teeth when turning the wheel like little spikes of resistance. In a way the FFB has a chainsaw feel instead of the expected linear but this could be due to iRacing doing weird things due to it's low FFB refresh rate. It would be nice to test it on ACC or rFactor 2 for example
@@bennson13 i think he meant the feel of the seperations of the magnets inside the motor. When the base is of and you turn the wheel you can feel the single magnets, thr seperations and the 'jump' between them. Usually it should disapear as soon as you turn the base on and use it in game. Sometimes some of this can stay and you may feel it while in game.
They sent you a UK plug 🔌 😆 That aside it looks great and the plug would have been fine for me. I think they should be aiming to get into the console market as well as PC especially with them being quite new to the Sim scene. Great video as always. Thanks ✌️😎
I have been meaning to ask: I saw that David Tucker was recommending USB Cards to offshoot any sort of issue of saturating the USB Controller on motherboards to help with FFB. I was curious: Would there be any solid way of testing this? For me the issue is cause I am using VR + dealing with multiple vive trackers with how I do my Twitch streams, so I feel i would be highly suspectable to this. I know it's not really within your wheelhouse as far as sim equipment goes, but I was curious if you had any insight on the impacts of USB controller saturation and FFB really! Thanks if you see this and respond, and if not, well, still love your reviews!
@@mataman1 Ras1ution 2 will be coming out in May and will be able to make Moza products work with PS5, Im the UK distributor for Moza and have already been testing this and it works very well!
NO sim racer we are not all different i want the exact same setting as you do its how I can learn to correct my mistake. :) Why would i want my own crap setting? When your setting is the most experience? 😚☺☺😚
Hi, I have a simucube 2 and I rlly love this formula rim, is there a way to use it with a simucube or a vrs dfp, also is so much cheaper than cube or ascher rivals, thanks
Afraid not, i am speaking with Moza about doing this but they are concentrating on their cheaper wheels and then accesories range before they look in to making the wheel compatible with other brands wheelbases
I am really torn between the Moza R9 + GS wheel and the Simagic Alpha Mini + GT4 wheel. For looks ie wheel i much prefer the Moza GS wheel in comparison with the Simagic GT4 Wheel the design is ok and it has less buttons/switches so looks and buttons are a con for me. Are there people who actually tested both the Moza and Simagic? How about the detail in FFB between the 2? I know the Simagic Alpha Mina can bump up to almost 13nm....Thing is i do like to watch my wheel its after all good money spent....But if the Simagic is by far the better choice (i mean far better in terms of detail in FFB etc) i will go for it.
not in the market at the moment but been quietly looking at both offerings like you guys. I honestly think with the good presentation and good press the Moza stuff is getting, I think I made my decision to consider the Moza R9 and wheel as my top candidate. Thanks for the update on your situations fellas
@@SamB-rk9qb Sorry for the late reply i went with the Moza R9 + GS wheel and i have ZERO regrets wonderful base and wheel. But they released a NEW F1 wheel the Moza FSR Formula wheel that wheel looks sick with a oled screen. But the Simforge is also a GREAT brand to go with SIM community is also behind this brand. Enjoy your new equipment.
Hi Barry. Another great review as always. I’m in the market for a new wheel having really taken to sim racing. I have a play seat and Logitech g29 wheel currently but want to make the jump to direct drive. Whilst appreciating the subjective nature of wheels, settings etc, I’d really appreciate your thoughts on the best wheel (in your opinion) to go for? Budget is £1500 gbp and it’ll be used on pc for I-racing and PS5 for gt7 and f1 22. I’ve been looking at fanatic and Logitech true force but am open to other brands Thank you in advance Gareth
Just a piece of advise for anyone thinking about buying anything from Moza Racing. I hope that this is not the wrong place to add this, in case it's not feel free to delete it. I'm not going to give all details about the current situation but I'm force to bring American Express to a legal claim agains this company for totally ignoring several issues with their R9 and the FSR Formula Wheel that I bought a few weeks ago. The main message here is that if you get into troubles with their products you could receive the same unacceptable support I'm receiving which it is currently been totally ignored. The base and wheel are failing since day one. I have been supplying videos and telling them about the shifting issues and the noise coming from the base and they are basically not acting as you will expect (last news received 7 days ago). There are multiple issues with the base and the wheel.... tried all kind of things to make them work but they are somehow damage or something went wrong on the assembling process. This is just a message to let you guys know that you could be facing the same level of support. In case of anyone wanting to know more let me know. I can show you the videos that are showing some of the issues I'm dealing with.
So when I first saw this brand I was expecting a Fanatec killer with cheaper prices, but here in France prices are almost identical. The direct drive dream is still so far away!
@@kainey Joueur ps ?? .... Tu avais quoi comme volant ?? Perso, je reprend après avoir laisser des manettes sur ps1/2 .... je prendrai donc un volant à courroie, pour un dd par la suite, si tout va bien ... Faut que je regarde si je trouve une vidéo de comparaison entre le dd de fanatec et le r9 . Connaissant la fiabilité de fanatec, je penche pour le r9 ....
@@THESHADOW97139 G29 et non je joue sur PC. Déjà je pensais remplacer les pédales par les CSL avec kit load cell mais comme elles sont en bundle avec le GT DD Pro j'ai envie de faire d'une pierre deux coups !
Dans cette gamme de ffb, beaucoup de testeurs, ont été étonnés d`avoir un meilleur ressenti sur beaucoup de jeux, avec un volant à courroie et non un dd . Vu que la majorité est codé pour les volants à courroie et vu l`écart en terme de réactivité du volant , avec la gamme au dessus ( vrs, sc2 pro, etc ) je préfère patienter et viser plus haut 😉
Hi guys! I don’t know if someone has already answered this question on the comments, but what do you think it’s better… this Moza R9 or the CSL DD with boost kit ? Thanks!
If you're on a tight budget, the 5nm CSL dd is the best value if you make your own boost kit. But both these bases won't output enough holding torque (well at least not the CSL dd, I had one and sold it on quickly). You can get a cammus 15nm for the same price which might be another option, or you might want to look at the simagic alpha mini
Great job as always Mr Roland. Always on vanguard. I hace a little quesitos about this Moza device. Is it compatible with others manufacturers wheels? Thank you in advance.
If it has a fitting quick release, it will work with a majority of wheels, but there is a slim-to-none chance that they will be compatible with the connection protocol that Moza uses, so most likely will need to be connected through USB to your PC
@@THESHADOW97139 still satisfied with TsPc, and plan to keep it till it dies. (The internal fan starting to makefunny noises…… well see) If you ask me between those two, Ts Pc no doubt.
![Moza R9 DD Wheelbase + GS GT Wheel Review [german | english CC]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/OhLEdvpSdzc/mqdefault.jpg)
Only 2 mins in and I am already thankful that you give both imperial and metric units.
I have a hard time with reviews only using imperial if they are from the USA. Good to see you acknowledge your viewers might not always be American.
I won the R16 and the GS wheel and pedals on IRacing . They told me it would get shipped out in 2 weeks.
Nice to see some solid reviews on MOZA
Brooo that’s so live
@@FijisSimExperience but not sure if I understand your comment?
I will do a independent review as a new user to a DD from a g27 home made rig to a Rseat 1 and more . Fallow me to see how it goes
@@WiIdFx it means that’s really cool you won that wheel and pedals sorry I forgot not everyone understands the way I talk lol
@@FijisSimExperience LoL..... thanks
I can't believe that while Barry has become THE absolute benchmark for sim gear reviews, he has still to make any interview for RaceDepartment etc. that would be awesome imo
i just want to see him race lol
I think Barry is doing a great job NOT providing any interviews for sites such as Racedepartment to keep his absolute indepedency.
@@bobykim5311 interviews still keep your independecy it just promotes your channel
you're both right, I'd just like to know better the man behind the legend ;)
@@_xndrzt ask him to drop a load in ur mouth
What a beautiful piece of engineering. I'd love if moza got into the flight sim community as we need this level of quality there desperately!
I just had a horrible experience with Moza. Id stay clear from them. ESPECIALLY, if you have an issue with your product.
@@StatsGam4er what was the problem ?
@@brightmarksman1425 I bought their CRP pedals. Issues with the pedal brake feeling like so springy. A noticeable notchiness when slowly coming on and off the brake pedal. A design flaw which caused the pedal arms to munch through and ruin my anodised black aluminium profile to which it was mounted to. (Need to add a washer underneath to raise it 1mm) but damage was already done. Pedal plate is useless with so much flex and missing drill holes. Clutch starting squeaking like a mofo after a few days.
It has been over 1 month, Moza keep you in the loop by saying "We will ge glad to help." "Give us more time to review your concerns"
It has been weeks with no reply lol. I have tried calling them, emailing them, and messaging on their facebook.
@@Luftrille Refunded, and they let me keep my pedals which I sold for dirt cheap. However, this took months to happen, and they only reached out to me when they saw a negative comment by me on Boosted Media.
@@StatsGam4er Thats the issue with all these asian products. And why I rather not buy any of them. If anything, I would only buy it from a local distributor that will replace defect parts.
I ordered mine this week, delivery in 15 days, can't wait!
@@Luftrille Very good value for money, the axis does not move, the qr is excellent, the finish is rather good without being excellent. feeling level is very good, since this video moza has improved the firmware. I had to deal with the after sale service because of an update, very reactive and very serious. Since I changed equipment for a simucube pro because I have an offer not to miss on used market but I admit that between the 2, apart from the power there is not much difference in feeling.
@@Luftrille I don't know the simagic but I think it will be very close, in terms of finish the simagic seems a little better but is more expensive, you also have to take into account the after-sales service policy, that's why I 've been to moza.
love your reviews
I have just mounted mine and so far i am loving it, The wheel feels and looks great and the base has plenty of feel I think Moza are doing a good job had no problem and arrived well packaged with no damage
Hi Gary, could you share a bit about how you feel the ffb, the details, etc.? Thanks!
Very nice looking base and wheel, also very good video as always :) Small tip for Mr Barry, if you measure a mounting hole with your caliper and then zero it, you can measure the mounting holes from side to side and read the exact space between the holes and when you then close your caliper it will show you the diameter of the hole so you don't have to guess if its M5 or M6 thread :) Thx for your well made videos.
This guy is a clown. Wrecking stuff that could be used to teach children in underprivileged areas a skill that might lead to them becoming tradesmen or engineers. You're a suckup
Sorry bro. Wrong video. Barry rules. Haha
As their wheels are rather expensive with not many options to choose from, they should be selling this base in a bundle with standard 6x70mm quickrelease included, so the budget buyers can just use any aftermarket car steering wheel. Would make it much more interesting option than fanatecs csl dd money wise ;)
Yeah I agree but how much would you be willing to spend? Another $60? (£50)
@@crawfordbrown75 Another 50... absolutely yes ;) You can get those quickreleases separately, but usually its all aftermarket tuners orientated car parts upwards 100$ range.
@@kowalski3892 yeah man I recently bought a D1spec V2 QR for £70
I just got a simagic alpha mini and wish it came with a QR
@@crawfordbrown75 Maybe it's just your distributor, but the Alpha Mini generally does sell with the option to include the QR or not
There is a wheelbase from the Company CAMMUS they have for 600$ a 15nm direct drive motor with an actuall nrg typ qr. I changed mine to an inexpensiv qr1 for about 50$. love this wheelbase
Hey Barry, I have a idea for a show. How about setting up your seating and pedal position. Some people have do it already, but your the technician for all things sim related. And I think your view points on seating, steering wheel and pedal position would help alot of people.
Thanks man
MOZA must have updated something since this review - I just received the R9 V2 & GS wheel yesterday. There is zero “notchiness” now. I was concerned when I ordered MOZA gear after seeing this review, and I’m glad there was nothing to be worried about. I am still trying to get more warning before my tires slip or lock up, though. If anyone has tips on which setting to tweak to gain that, I’d appreciate hearing it. Enjoy the gear, folks!
I was think about picking a R9 V2 up. Where did you order from?
@@gilgamesh8888 (I ordered direct from MOZA.) BTW, I tried MOZA R9 settings by a few RUclips reviewers, and this guy’s settings felt the best to me. My settings are based on SIm Racing Garage’s.
@@TBolt1 do you mind giving us all the settings? SRG is going back and forth a lot with changing the settings etc
Would you say SImagic Mini is better or feels like an upgrade from the Moza 9?
I've been looking forward to this one. Thank you Barry.
Great review. Just my 10 cents worth here but the grip seams are no different to Fanatec OEM grips just so we get a fair comparison.
The third party grips Barry was referring to are made by me at Pineapple Grips in the UK (Fanatec and SRM). We have never had one complaint about the seam so I think it may just be Barry levels of OCD here 😁
We will be adding Moza third party grips to our range very soon.
So this is not genuine Alcantara ?
@@fastissimo6777 The seam gap Barry is referring to is not caused by material being genuine Alcantara or not. We use genuine Alcantara but you would have to ask Moza to confirm what they are using. There are otter material producers who make faux suede on par with Alcantara’s faux suede.
Good to know, if I need to replace mine. People all over brag on the quality of your grips!
Looking forward to it. Hope you will make some rubber ones as these are best for racing without gloves for me. Will keep an eye out on your products.
I'm buying a golf Sim right now. And obviously as a viewer of your channel I'm doing extensive research. Boy you don't know what you've got until it's gone. No one does videos like you on that stuff..... Or possibly on anything. Thank you !
Simtrecs stil going strong on the rig
you dial back the FFB curve to get the oscillations out completely. Love the channel!
Hi Barry,
Love your reviews, in-depth, clear arguments for and against, great process and fair overal assessments without financial incentives to lean either way.
I've seen an unboxing of the R9 and mounting hardware was included, however the unboxer only found them by shaking the box as it was somewhat hidden.
Perhaps your review unit did not come with them.
He doesn't use review units. He will only review something when it is publicly available.
I'm loving my moza setup, first direct drive for me and it's amazing, I can't stop looking at the gs wheel tho, it such a beauty
Have you had any overheating issues with yours?
@@TheSnaveeelPlaysGames let me Know if you get the answer please mate 😇
Thanks from ireland 🇮🇪 your awesome and all guys here
Thanks for a great review 👍
Yeeees thank you so much I’ve been waiting this video is gonna make my decision between this and tspc
The R9 base looks like a previous Xbox design. I actually prefer this over old others’ old clique appearances. Hardware seems neat and well engineered. GS wheel is 300mm in diameter and comes with backlit and metal quick release. I’m gonna preorder this bundle!
Definitely choose this over the TS-PC
@@Sithhy TS-PC is not a DD ... how can you compare them ?
@@fastissimo6777 You don't. That's why I said he should go for the Moza
TS-PC is not a DD and the prices are not the same range ... how can you even compare them ?
The transmitter on the back of the base is most likely Bluetooth, for communication with the application on a smartphone
I thought I was losing my mind and my man at the sim racing garage had DAS system but I realized its his entire seat moving LOL
A suggestion, you should maybe do a 'real cost' feature, estimating how much it would cost them to manufacture.
Yessss been waiting for this review 😭😭💯
Very cool. Denke es ist kein schlechtes Produkt💪
I absolutely love how the wheel looks, I wish it could be used with any base
It can moza have released a hub for around $ 50 and you plus the rim into that instead of the wheel base. It has taken them awhile but slowly but surely moza are expanding their range and compatibility. Maybe not as quickly as we would like but they are getting there give them another 5 years and I am sure they will be as versatile as other brands that have been in the market longer than moza.
@@lordomacron3719 didn't know that, it's super cool! I have an R9 now but I was looking into the somatic wheel bases for more torque (the moza high torque ones are way too bulky for my setup)... But I didn't want to lose the steering wheel, as I love the design and useability. Great news, thanks!
@@FAB1150 here is Sim Racing Garage video on the hub.
ruclips.net/video/IZkOoQFrZJ4/видео.html
Hope it helps I’m still new to sim racing so I’m still learning myself.
But I chose moza as it fit my budget nicely with the r9. I think I will upgrade one day to a higher nm base but first I need to build a little more muscle to handle it.
I think this is a consideration that many forget if you have not trained to be a race driver the higher force bases are likely a little too much to handle for newcomers to the hobby. I’m a tall and thin never really exercised much outside of walking my dog. So my arm strength was not ready for high nm bases after trying out a 20nm one at a exhibition. Hence I started out with the r9.
I already have a different dd but i like to see other equipment, especially new ones on the market
Been racing on mine all week. Love it. Sold my Fanatec CSL DD
Interesting, so i was right to cancel my csl dd for this setup! A few days away from delivery so this is nice to read
Hi, can I ask what do you think is better compared to the fanatec?
@@MoMo-yu3ue I also curios to know
One the price point is great. It’s less expensive for more power. The tuning is far easier and can be handled on my phone. No need for multiple apps. The wheel is great. I had the the McLaren wheel and spent over $200 to get magnetic shifters and the qr1. For $499 the gs is so much better. I think for me the sell was the price and quality. I’ll have a video on my experience too.
@@anonymousgaines4044 sounds spot on, it's why I've gambled and gone moza. The more I read the less of a gamble it feels.
Don't come much more thorough than this! Looks like a fairly good effort from MOZA
Liked and subscribed. Is Sim Racing Garage going to review the CSL DD 8Nm? I feel the CSL DD, R9 and Simagic Alpha mini are going to be the three big entry level DD base units. It would be nice to see a CSL DD review as I can see videos for the CSL Elite and CSL Clubsport 2.5 but not the CSL DD
Must have had an issue with Fanatec to not be reviewing the most requested base!
For the price it seems like a solid option. Thanks Barry
Maybe the oscillations could decrease if you set the auto ffb strength in Iracing's black box?
Great review as usual can't beat the detail you get. Mine has just arrived, love the increased FFB compared to my G29. The question I have is around Wheel Settings in ACC. GT is set at 540 but if I am using, say a Porsche which has a recommend setting of 800 in ACC, do I need to change to 800 or does the having the 'synchronous toggled ON take care of this?
In the pithouse 480 and ingame 800-900 thats the sweetspot for acc
Great looking wheel. Wish that in the future companies make wheels to be cross compatible with perhaps interchsngable qr s and bluetooth for the electronics. Ive got a fanatec dd and the formula wheel but would love this wheel for my collection
In a perfect world man...would be great though!
I like the inclusion of the initial setup.
Great review, really helped me understand the software
Barry is legend.
Im having a hard time choosing between this and the Thrustmaster T818. You did a review on both, which one would you choose?
Me too.... Made your choice yet?
@@MrBreakthompson yes i went with the t818, and have not regretted it. Its really great !
Here we go
I get a weird deja-vu feeling seeing this review.
How is it in other games, could the notchiness be due to the lower FFB frequency in iRacing? If so, it could be solved with software such as irffb to upsample the FFB.
Man is the jerryrigeverthing of sim racing
Magnifique!!!!.....il a tester ce modèle !!
Hâte de sortir du boulot pour voir la vidéo 🤪
Ohhh un Guadeloupéen qui cherche du moza aussi 👀
@@gorxking_ Je ne cherche plus rien .... burn out .... plein Le c .... l des minis transactions dans les jeux ( dossier diablo /wow / GT7 etc .... )
Je vais faire une pause ....
De Guadeloupe ??
Tu cherches du matos ??
@THESHADOW97139 ah carrément bah ta bien raison de faire une pause du coup , et oui je cherche un dd mais moza je sais pas en combien de temps ils livrent
@@gorxking_ Je pense que je vais sincèrement passer sur une simulation de vole à voile .... au moins là, peu de chance de voir du pay 2 win ......
Comme d`hab .... youtube qui supprime les liens .... pffuuuuu
Dans les notifications au dessus à droite, tu trouveras mon message, qui a été lourder ....
SMALLL!!!! that’s a perfectly sized wheel base I would consider that huge
the wheelbase now looks like a Fanatec product because everyone hated the orange rich guy lambo ricer look but now it looks like a Fanatec product lol
@Sim Racing Garage, Can you post your final settings in Pithouse that you ended up with? Thanks!
Warning!
All these RUclips videos are great and interesting. The one thing they don’t do is inform you what their products are like to live with over a period of time.
If you wish to have a happy and content life please take my advise and look at the FANATEC’s own Forum in regards to all the issues they have and their terrible customer service.
I have one word to the question should you purchase FANATEC products? DONT.
I would have had the same amount of problems with a real race car..
On a lighter note Im very grateful FANATEC do not build motor vehicles
by this video I just ordered this base, cz I really want to try it and th tx base is are crap vs it, love your videos!
"Similarities" ..... wheels and moza pedals.. also very similar to another company..
Very nice and professional way you put that sir..
I'm curious what your favourite DD / equipment is Barry after all these years of testing? If money is no object?
How beautiful and well done this I would love to have a base like this to retire my old g27 but the cost is very high here in latinoamerica
This, the Simagic Alpha Mini or the CSL DD 8nm?
I’m selling my TS300 and looking to upgrade to a DD
If there is no budget issues between the three then the Simagic Alpha mini right now is the best of the three, its also the more expensive though.
@@benllewellyn1888 What about beetween Simagic and Simcube?, thanks
@@JP-xd6fm different price brackets again, i think simucube is the benchmark all of the wheelbases are measured from. The Simagic Alpha and Alpha U seem to be getting closer to the simucube range now.
@@benllewellyn1888 Thanks, yes I checked the prices and it's quite a lot.
What you could recommend to get for 1500€ ish ?
I need everyone's opinion on this : Is it better to buy this combo instead of the Fanatec CSL DD + McLaren GT3 wheel ? I know the formula would compare much more to the GS wheel but for the use I have the McLaren would be enough. The price difference totals to +200 euros for the Moza equipment. Please let me know !
Honestly its all preference, the Fanatec wheels arent the same quality level as the GS wheel is. That said there are budget wheels coming in a few weeks for the R9 meaning there will be more options probably in the same bracket as the Fanatec products your thinking about, if you can stretch for the GS wheel its an amazing piece of kit.
I just ordered one of these wheel bases with one of the fsr formula wheels and a standard cs wheel. I'm sooooo excited.
Are you North America? If so, how long did it take to get? I just ordered the r9 today.
@@luked1964 I'm from Australia. Took about 2 and a half weeks.
I think moza have some kind of direct U.S distributor so it might be faster if you were able to order local. I had to order mine straight from Hong kong
@@alec7568 thank you very much for responding. I think mine is coming from that side of the globe as well because shipping was like $130usd for the base,wheel and adapter plate. I’m pretty excited though. I’ve been using a Thrustmaster TMX for the better part of 4-5 years and it’s been a great cheap wheel. Looking forward to DD. Cheers
@@luked1964 always happy to help out a sim racer 👍
I actually upgraded from the same kind of thrustmaster wheel and let me tell you thill will blow your mind when you fire it up man.
I got spoiled with the DD2 and SC2Pro. Not sure I could pull the trigger on 9nm
i mean with SC2Pro why would you downgrade to 9nm moza?
My base & wheel are set to arrive this week. I wanted to wait for Barry's review, but was concerned about long wait or price increases.
Looks like a good choice in my part, good review! Should be a nice upgrade from my G920.
Good luck bud
I also upgraded from the g29/920! Can’t wait to get it, only heard good things so far, really hopeful
@@degeautd40 Thank you!
@@tinzalix8624 mine will be here Tuesday. Might take a couple days off next week!
@@ReavusRacing Mine should be here in a couple weeks, let me know how yours feels!
once they get mot reliable i will buy one ,, their wheels are so beautifull
@sim racing garage, what is your wheel of choice though Barry? What would you choose 10/10 times if you could choose anything?
The rear Bluetooth module communicates with the phone app. The front one communicates with the wheel
Steering is supposed to get heavier at higher speeds due to downforce affecting the handling of the car. If I drive 150km/h in my car it drives as if no powersteering is present for example.
Yes, but any decent sim with proper physics should already take care of it and send out a stronger force feedback
It’s not just because of downforce, at higher speeds the car has more momentum, and that momentum results in a larger force trying to straighten out your wheels.
@@Tracked_z exactly.
I can´t believe such a master reviewer that is always taking everything till the smallest detail is using iRacing to check how the ffb is.
There is no a proper review without testing the base with ACC, AC or rFactor 2. Especially the first simulator.
I think the wireless / bluetooth daughter pcb on the main pcb is for the mobile Moza control app.
When this vid was produced moza's QC was shocking FYI
I just got my r9 toast and have no idea what he means about notchiness. Mine is perfectly smooth. Mb fixed?
Hi between Moza and Simagic...which is better?
Hi guys..already have a used M10 simagic. Works great
Barry, Do you prefer the top mount for Direct Drive bases instead of the thru-mount type that the your Simucube Pro uses?
Thanks for putting this out there, have seen this base and wheel and wanna buy it and this helps solidify my choice. One question though: what do you mean by "notchiness"? Like a deadzone right in the middle of the steering angle where it takes 1 or 2 degrees for it to actually start turning or more of a lighter feeling at that area? Thanks!
Was also wondering. Maybe someone can explain?
@@Menthor3 When I look up ''Notchy'' I meanly get definitions involving a manual transmission : "difficult to use because the lever has to be moved accurately (as if into a narrow notch)". I have found a dictionary website that uses synonyms for the word ''Notchy'' and those are ''not smooth; jerky". I assume the middle part moves in a rather jerky manner compared to the rest of the forces felt when steering.
@@bennson13 ah I understand. Thank you for taking the time explaining!
Now that I ordered the wheel myself, I will inevitably experience the "notchiness" myself anyway ;)
@@bennson13 I think I got it, to me it would feel like my g29 wheel when I put too much FFB on it, you can feel the gear teeth when turning the wheel like little spikes of resistance. In a way the FFB has a chainsaw feel instead of the expected linear but this could be due to iRacing doing weird things due to it's low FFB refresh rate. It would be nice to test it on ACC or rFactor 2 for example
@@bennson13 i think he meant the feel of the seperations of the magnets inside the motor. When the base is of and you turn the wheel you can feel the single magnets, thr seperations and the 'jump' between them. Usually it should disapear as soon as you turn the base on and use it in game. Sometimes some of this can stay and you may feel it while in game.
Please make a CSL DD review.
They sent you a UK plug 🔌 😆 That aside it looks great and the plug would have been fine for me. I think they should be aiming to get into the console market as well as PC especially with them being quite new to the Sim scene. Great video as always. Thanks ✌️😎
I am surprised they gave him an UK plug as usually with international devices it will be either an Euro plug or American
@@Sithhy yes that's what I thought too, UK plug is usually the least likely to be included. 😂
great video, i also have a small italian sim racing channel, but it's more like f1!
Hey Barry, have you or will you share what your daily driven rig consists of?
are you looking at any Asertek reviews, namely their Forte and Invicta pedals - would be very interested in those
Sorry Asetek
I have been meaning to ask: I saw that David Tucker was recommending USB Cards to offshoot any sort of issue of saturating the USB Controller on motherboards to help with FFB.
I was curious: Would there be any solid way of testing this? For me the issue is cause I am using VR + dealing with multiple vive trackers with how I do my Twitch streams, so I feel i would be highly suspectable to this. I know it's not really within your wheelhouse as far as sim equipment goes, but I was curious if you had any insight on the impacts of USB controller saturation and FFB really!
Thanks if you see this and respond, and if not, well, still love your reviews!
I have these worries too on amd CPU and hp reverb g2 which is plugged in through usb hub to work.
I hope they can make it work on consoles (Ps5 for me), would be interesting for Fanatec users on console
Forget about it, it's not happening.
@@mataman1 Moza did reply to me in another post that they are working together with Playstation for this..
@@giogamer4825 hmmmm, that's interesting.
@@mataman1 read here: ruclips.net/video/8LIvVCpKXp4/видео.html
@@mataman1 Ras1ution 2 will be coming out in May and will be able to make Moza products work with PS5, Im the UK distributor for Moza and have already been testing this and it works very well!
NO sim racer we are not all different i want the exact same setting as you do its how I can learn to correct my mistake. :) Why would i want my own crap setting? When your setting is the most experience? 😚☺☺😚
Hi, I have a simucube 2 and I rlly love this formula rim, is there a way to use it with a simucube or a vrs dfp, also is so much cheaper than cube or ascher rivals, thanks
Afraid not, i am speaking with Moza about doing this but they are concentrating on their cheaper wheels and then accesories range before they look in to making the wheel compatible with other brands wheelbases
hope to see your thoughts on r12 thx
Hello (happy new year). Question : if you had to, would you choose the DD Moza R5 or the Thrustmaster TS-PC servo base ? Thanks in advance.
Please review CAMMUS 15Nm Direct Drive
I own one and would love to watch Barry take it apart. I'd be interested in his opinion on it, particularly if he considers the sub $500 price point
So Barry, you mentioned that one wheel base was able to deliver all the detail you want with no knotchiness - but you didn't say which one that was.
I am really torn between the Moza R9 + GS wheel and the Simagic Alpha Mini + GT4 wheel. For looks ie wheel i much prefer the Moza GS wheel in comparison with the Simagic GT4 Wheel the design is ok and it has less buttons/switches so looks and buttons are a con for me. Are there people who actually tested both the Moza and Simagic? How about the detail in FFB between the 2? I know the Simagic Alpha Mina can bump up to almost 13nm....Thing is i do like to watch my wheel its after all good money spent....But if the Simagic is by far the better choice (i mean far better in terms of detail in FFB etc) i will go for it.
I am literally having the same dilema which one did you go for ?
@@SamB-rk9qb I went with the Moza R9 + Moza GS Wheel. No complaints detail in FFB is great. All in all happy with my purchase.
@@lawshadow2011 Yeah It am also going for the moza, looks great I just purchased the Simforge mark-1 and waiting for them to be delivered
not in the market at the moment but been quietly looking at both offerings like you guys. I honestly think with the good presentation and good press the Moza stuff is getting, I think I made my decision to consider the Moza R9 and wheel as my top candidate. Thanks for the update on your situations fellas
@@SamB-rk9qb Sorry for the late reply i went with the Moza R9 + GS wheel and i have ZERO regrets wonderful base and wheel. But they released a NEW F1 wheel the Moza FSR Formula wheel that wheel looks sick with a oled screen. But the Simforge is also a GREAT brand to go with SIM community is also behind this brand. Enjoy your new equipment.
iç want you to test logitech pro dd wheel and test trueforce effect !!! PLEASE !!!
Hi Barry. Another great review as always. I’m in the market for a new wheel having really taken to sim racing. I have a play seat and Logitech g29 wheel currently but want to make the jump to direct drive. Whilst appreciating the subjective nature of wheels, settings etc, I’d really appreciate your thoughts on the best wheel (in your opinion) to go for? Budget is £1500 gbp and it’ll be used on pc for I-racing and PS5 for gt7 and f1 22. I’ve been looking at fanatic and Logitech true force but am open to other brands
Thank you in advance
Gareth
The Moza r9 is a great budget DD wheel base
39:29 how do you get the gold quick release one? mine is black
Can you please make a review for the CSL DD
thanks for the review! Do you know if the wheel base would fit on the formula playseat or would i have to get the adapter?
How does it compare to CSL DD? Is it more durable?
Just a piece of advise for anyone thinking about buying anything from Moza Racing.
I hope that this is not the wrong place to add this, in case it's not feel free to delete it.
I'm not going to give all details about the current situation but I'm force to bring American Express to a legal claim agains this company for totally ignoring several issues with their R9 and the FSR Formula Wheel that I bought a few weeks ago. The main message here is that if you get into troubles with their products you could receive the same unacceptable support I'm receiving which it is currently been totally ignored.
The base and wheel are failing since day one. I have been supplying videos and telling them about the shifting issues and the noise coming from the base and they are basically not acting as you will expect (last news received 7 days ago).
There are multiple issues with the base and the wheel.... tried all kind of things to make them work but they are somehow damage or something went wrong on the assembling process.
This is just a message to let you guys know that you could be facing the same level of support.
In case of anyone wanting to know more let me know. I can show you the videos that are showing some of the issues I'm dealing with.
Having reviewed the R9 and the Alpha Mini, which would you recommend?
So when I first saw this brand I was expecting a Fanatec killer with cheaper prices, but here in France prices are almost identical. The direct drive dream is still so far away!
Quel est ton budget ??
@@THESHADOW97139 700-800, je crois que je vais craquer pour le bundle DD Pro Gran Turismo
@@kainey Joueur ps ?? .... Tu avais quoi comme volant ??
Perso, je reprend après avoir laisser des manettes sur ps1/2 .... je prendrai donc un volant à courroie, pour un dd par la suite, si tout va bien ...
Faut que je regarde si je trouve une vidéo de comparaison entre le dd de fanatec et le r9 .
Connaissant la fiabilité de fanatec, je penche pour le r9 ....
@@THESHADOW97139 G29 et non je joue sur PC. Déjà je pensais remplacer les pédales par les CSL avec kit load cell mais comme elles sont en bundle avec le GT DD Pro j'ai envie de faire d'une pierre deux coups !
Dans cette gamme de ffb, beaucoup de testeurs, ont été étonnés d`avoir un meilleur ressenti sur beaucoup de jeux, avec un volant à courroie et non un dd .
Vu que la majorité est codé pour les volants à courroie et vu l`écart en terme de réactivité du volant , avec la gamme au dessus ( vrs, sc2 pro, etc ) je préfère patienter et viser plus haut 😉
Hi guys! I don’t know if someone has already answered this question on the comments, but what do you think it’s better… this Moza R9 or the CSL DD with boost kit ? Thanks!
If you're on a tight budget, the 5nm CSL dd is the best value if you make your own boost kit. But both these bases won't output enough holding torque (well at least not the CSL dd, I had one and sold it on quickly). You can get a cammus 15nm for the same price which might be another option, or you might want to look at the simagic alpha mini
The wheel itself looks pretty nice, a little bit to big for my taste but definately sexy
Great job as always Mr Roland. Always on vanguard. I hace a little quesitos about this Moza device. Is it compatible with others manufacturers wheels? Thank you in advance.
You can adapt any type of wheel ... wired or more
If it has a fitting quick release, it will work with a majority of wheels, but there is a slim-to-none chance that they will be compatible with the connection protocol that Moza uses, so most likely will need to be connected through USB to your PC
Thank you very much both for your answers. Strong candidate in due time to upgrade my setup from my Ts Pc. Thank you.
@@albertofernandez6076 Satisfied with ts pc in time??
I always hesitate between him and a t300 to "resume"
@@THESHADOW97139 still satisfied with TsPc, and plan to keep it till it dies. (The internal fan starting to makefunny noises…… well see) If you ask me between those two, Ts Pc no doubt.
Any info on aftermarket grips? If we can change this to a rubber or leather that would be awesome. Dont wanna drive always with gloves.
Hi,
thanks for this video !
my GS wheel present a problem on the right stick.
can you tell me if it's possible to change this stick my self ?
oscillations - so drifting is not possible with this wheelbase? Maybe handsoff protection doing this?
Axis split and button animations for the clutch seem to have been inverted. Moza software bug.
I just bought the R9 and GS wheel. But what’s a good setting for racing Ovals??
hey would you mind sharing info about your cockpit it would be very helpful ❤
Would you pick the R9 or the ET5?