Coming from the music industry (recording engineers, synthesizer electricians, computer engineers, etc.) I am consistently and absolutely blown away by the level of technical competency and detail of the Sim Racing community's RUclips content. You sir are a class act, not only in your niche but across all tech reviewers on TV today. Bravo, A+!
Only Barry would talk about the type of cap that’s on the jar of grease that a sim pedal set comes with. You, Sir, are the man. Edit: After 3 months of waiting, they’re suppose to arrive at my doorstep today, can’t wait!
@@wuzumaki No complaints at all, a lot sturdier overall than the Sprints I had. All pedals have a nice feel to them, throttle is smoother and easier to modulate, trail braking is much easier with the progressive feel of the damper and clutch feels more fluid. Extremely well built and worked with no issues out of the box, highly recommended!
@@pooljunkie85 That's great to hear. I've already placed a pre-order, but I'm on batch 8 which is going to be finished by the end of September. Did you get them with the optional baseplate or do you have them mounted differently?
Benchmark for ALL reviews, not just sim racing. I mean he literally went from commenting about using plastic housings for PCBs due to EM interference to talking about the material used for ball bearings. This man has mechanical and electrical engineering chops. Awesome gem! Gosh I love the future.
Barry posted this review in January, it's August now... He's still using these pedals 7 months later, which is really saying something! I can't wait for my set to arrive! Thanks Barry for all the great reviews you've done!
I don't have a sim ser-up as yet, just browsing to get ideas... But wow, what a master piece of design and engineering, the Rolls Royce of sim pedals. They wouldn't be out of place in a designer show case...! I would simply love to have a set...
Im a sheet metal fabricator and love this, obviously the price is quite alot but if you want peddles to last a lifetime these look the one's to look into,
Absolutely loving mine- my dampener was defective on the brake but Simtrecs is sending a replacement right now. Super good customer service! Will update once I get it.
I was unable to restrain myself from placing a pre-order after watching this video. Just physically unable to avoid it. Is there any higher praise out of Barry than "I couldn't find anything wrong with them"? And a wonderful piece of work here, thank you for what you do for the community, SRG!
@@thinkrtank991 ordered Feb 2021, and received them in July. Not a single regret--beautiful pieces of gear. Great customer service, even being a US customer. For me, after hitting the "pre-order" button, I was contacted with a production estimate and an estimated ship date before I paid. Estimate was very good. I was "batch 6", and from their FB page it looks like they recently completed "batch 13". So their production estimates are probably really solid now. Buy with confidence!
@@langmeng825 Ok. I might line up myself. Construction seems very similar to HE Ultimate, but cheaper. I also prefer the long throttle pedal. Haven't finished the review yet, so I have yet to hear the final conclusion.
@@budokaiboy yes, I’ve had issues with them that I’m still working on with the manufacturer. Haven’t been able to get them working properly, but once I do, I’ll let you know what I think. The quality of the pedals themselves is phenomenal for the price, and the manufacturer has been really attentive with customer service, even though it’s been months of working to resolve the issues.
Another great review, Barry. Good work! A new standard for high-end pedals may have been established. Questions. The finish of the aluminum appeared to be paint. True? Did you see any wear at any contact points? Would you expect to see the finish wear off over time on the pedal faces? Thanks for your extensive work on this project.
I am seeing that there are many options for new pedals, I hope Barry can get his hands on products from Spain like BJ Sim Racing or DC Sim Racing, I am hearing good things from those pedals.
For me that is an almost perfect pedal set for sim racing. The only thing missing to be ideal is FFB on the brakes and throttle (like TC and ABS). Now they just need to have it in stock so I can buy it 🤔😏
I couldn't wait for the VRS pedals anymore and ordered these. These look amazing and Barry is still using them which says a lot. Cant wait to try them out. Coming from CSR Fanatecs I've had for 8 years lol
@@volo1826 Yep I've had them for the 2 months now and couldn't be happier. I ended up getting the email to order the VRS literally a 2 days later and I still ordered them too. I actually only tried the VRS for a day then installed the Simtrecs and I've been too happy with them to go through the hassle switching to the VRS to test them further but I will once I get more free time.
@@cptclutch2530 Hey yes actually we built a budget second rig so my brother could play too and we used the VRS pedals. They're honestly great too but overall I still prefer the Simtrecs. However one of my reasons is that the Simtrecs just feel closer to how a car would feel and I prefer that. The VRS are harder to setup since they have much more adjustments you can tinker with and you have to use a separate control box. The simtrecs have that built-in to the pedals. I didn't feel the need to adjust the Simtrecs beyond the options it has. and the default way the VRS came in where fine for the most part. Overall it still falls down to preference and for me, the Simtrecs were plug in play, they looks amazing, feel closer to real pedal box. Adjustments on the Simtrecs are easy and the instructions are great. Negatives were Sim3D rumble motors are double sided taped onto the gas pedal since there is no option to hard mount. VRS pedals use the same hardware. (They work great on both I just don't know if it will last). Adjustments on the VRS are not necessarily hard but there is steeper learning curve on how to adjust them properly if you want things like a harder or softer feel brake or longer or shorter travel. There is no manual and the only sources are from a VRS video that you would need to reference. I don't particularly like the feel of the VRS throttle. I get its super responsive as it has no dampener and it only uses the spring. You can adjust it to feel more heavy but for me its still not heavy enough. It does have a competitive edge though. Simtrecs are more expensive but you get what you pay for. Not meaning the VRS are cheap I just think they're both prices well for what you get on either decision.
Great review, Barry! I just got my set and going over the elastomer options I was wondering what you have settled on? From the video it looks to me like you are running a 25H > 20H > 10H in the 2nd breaking stage with little to no freeplay in the 1st breaking stage.
@@____________________ok HE ultimates use laser cut parts but is it a better pedal set? So do Meca Cup 1's. Are these worth the extra because they are cnc machined? I get your paying for asthetics is that worth the $xxx price difference between other pedals
1. I think the SRG just give a thorough explanation of each product. Doesn't seem fairing comparing because preference is subjective. 2. Price could vary quite a lot depending on shipping and taxes for where different people live. 3. Best thing to do is get as many different opinions on feel as possible (or test them), and make your own decision based on your criteria, and remember to check shipping & taxes. 4. I think you'll more likely get a response if you phrase your questions differently i.e. "Which are your favourite pedals?" or "Which are your favourite budget pedals?" rather than asking for a direct comparison, or ranking. Or maybe try and email SRG so that it isn't in the video comments?
Im also deciding between these two at the moment. Here are some of my considerations which might be useful. I still haven't made my mind but.. Ill share anyway: 1. Heusinkveld handle more force but most people dont need the forces that even Simtrecs handle. 2. Heusinkvelds use all load cells which basically have infinite life (like 200 million cycles or sth ridiculous like that). Simtrecs use pots which will eventually wear maybe years down the line, but consider that even logitechs use cheap pots compared to this and Ive seen some of those work for like 10 years easily. The pots seem to be easily replaceable by the user if you can find the correct part number too. 3. Heusinkveld use a cheaper manufacturing process like you said and look worse than simtrecs (Simtrecs are absolutely beautiful), and also use off the shelf dampers. Even though this is the case, I believe it is a good thing as you can replace the parts on your own. Replacing the damper on the simtrecs can be done by the user, but the part might need to be sourced from them as they are anodized. You might be able to get something off the shelf but it wouldn't have that color. Of course, this is given that the fail which is highly unlikely. The dampers also seem to work better on simtrecs from the videos ive seen. Just watch the two SRG reviews. 4. Hs have an external electronics box, which is extrenal -> more interference, more cables but can be upgraded down the line. Also they are 12 bit vs 16 bit on the Simtrecs but in the practical sense it doesn't matter, and Hvelds can be upgraded down the line. Simtrecs are difficult to replace the electronics ( not that hard if you can get a board from them, but harder than Hs) , but how many times has some simple electronics board gone bad on you? 5. Simtrecs easily have the better presentation (not even close), cost the manufacturers more (maybe atleast double the manufacturing cost), have better software, although Hveld seems to be working on one for Ultimates. 6. Simtrecs are cheaper by like 200 USD, but you might have to wait. I placed a preorder and I am in batch 6 (didn't have to pay anything yet), however they are estimated to ship at the end of july or in august. Hvelds are available almost always. 7. Simtrecs use a weird usb cable which is difficult to obtain, 1/8 inch jack to usb. Might need to contact the manufacturer for a replacement. 8. Hveld are an amazing company with an established, tried and tested product, with great customer service. I know they are almost certain to exist maybe 10 years later too. Simtrecs are new but I don't know if they will be there long term or if they are a boutique manufacturer and they focus on this short term. They probably will be there and this wont matter if the product lasts. 9. One flaw in the design of simtrecs I found is on the throttle pedal. On the max throw setting, the pot arm seems to touch the back. This is not a load bearing part and it might be possible to bend it with enough force. You can easily solve it by setting it to a slightly lower throw setting, where this arm doesn't touch. The pedals also seems to have a hard stop as barry mentions in the review. Heusinkvelds have a soft stop which can feel better under the feet and uses an easily replaceable blue stopper (looks like urethane, not sure though). In short, Hveld seems to have a philosophy of extreme durability and easy maintenance, and awesome customer service, but also with higher margins. You can also see this from them just using stock fibroelastomers that kinda look ugly compared to the all black ones on the Simtrecs (although the sprints have nice looking ones). Simtrecs are more about creating an elegant product that kinda hits all the marks ( apple like in a sense). It easily costs them more than twice as much to make their pedals than Hveld, given same labour costs, and are also cheaper. Hveld Ultimates are also quite old, and may have an upgrade soon in the next couple years or so I think, but I don't know how they can make it better, other than maybe integrate the electronics at the cost of some servicability, and have some nice software with it. Which is better? I dont know. I would like some of your suggestions as I don't know which one to buy. In any sense, having either of these pedals will be a dream to use anyway.
@@anupjsebastian at the end of the day I bought the Meca Cup 1's. To me they sit between the HE sprints and ultimates. Do they look as nice? No but my feet are on them so I don't care as much. I can almost buy 2 sets for the cost of HE ultamotes. Software - they both use the same and it works. I think parts would be a wash either way. Like you said a control board is a pretty easy swap on HE and Meca's. I haven't heard of anyone having issues with either pedal set. Buy what makes you happy. You are the only one who has to live wirh that decision. I choose to use pedals that work for what I want and use the savings on other sim gear. Good luck man.
Wow, that manual look like a comic book!! Usually you get a paper if anything!.. ':D Love the tool and accessory slot on the lid as well! First thought when seeing the pedals is Star Wars. :)
I believe you. They are definitely on top of my pedals wishlist. But for now I have to stick to my modded out Logitech’s with true brake mod and my 3D printed bitepoint mechanism for the clutch.
@Robert Schneider i was fortunate enough to get the hpp prx se for a reasonable price..im sure at least satisfied with the extra modding until that day comes! :)
I'm only a few minutes in, and you're already talking about the manual. Looks super impressive already. Sucks, because I bought the mecca cup one pedals a few months ago.
@@atrain132 absolutely I cannot dispute that as until a few hours ago I was very happy with my order. These I feel are just a bit better in every way. I am very happy they have a proper software to go with them.
Barry: Would these pedals be a noticeable upgrade in terms of overall pedal feel compared to the Proto SimTech PT2 (my current pedal set)? You're the only person I know who has tried both...even though it has been quite some time since testing the PT2s...
Which ones would you go with, these or the meca cup 1s? Actually Barry, and everyone else looking at these VS the HE sprints - realistically speaking, how much of a difference do the dampers on all pedals make in the overall immersion and feel of the pedals. I preordered these but I keep going back and forth between them and the sprints mostly because of the price. If there's anything I don't really like about the simtrecs is not being able to change the throttle faceplate. Nonetheless with some 3D design i may be able to make an adapter plate that can accommodate other faces. I am also think about painting the pedals, I wonder if I can actually get away with doing that to them without seriously damaging anything. Edit (3 months later): Mine just arrived today and I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EXCITED! stuck at work though lol
I've been debating if it's worth upgrading from my Sprints (2000$ in Canada). it's basically the same tech used for both pedals but the extra cost for a such a beautiful pedal only offering dampers and much better looking product might be best to invest into something different like Hydraulic. If Simucube didn't cost 3500$ per pedal I would do that. I know when you get a new piece of gear we all get exited and forget the fundamentals so after all this time what's your general opinion and what are the bad about these Simtrecs?
@Sim Racing Garage Hi Barry. Can you tell me what size wheel rim you were using to drive the lotus 49 in this video. If possible i need the size and make/model just incase i can't get the one you have. It looks perfect for the skippy and other open top cars i enjoy driving. Thanks in advance Barry
Just love all your vids!! Currently runninf fanatec system dd1, with v3 brakes. Wanting to upgrade the brakes, uo in the air about which direction to turn these, or the sim magic hydrolic or a diff hydrolic. Anyone with food for thpught for me is greatly apprecieated. As i was ready to buy thr p2000 but then read cant calibrate them properly without simmagic base.
How did i not notice this was 2 hours??? Very nice, after i purchase my next rig i am definitely gonna be taking a long look at these pedals. Edit: yeah I couldn't afford/justify the purchase of these so went for Simagic P2000 pedals and am very happy with them!
I'm thinking of ordering the products, but in my mind, will the potentiometer on the gas pedal cause trouble in a long time? Do you provide the necessary spare parts support in potentiometer problems? Hall effect preference of other brands may be more seamless.
I got bumped up (Batch 4), just received the email that my set is ready to ship! woot Can't wait to put these on the rig. Coming from V3's, I just couldn't get the precise modulation on the brake/throttle I'm looking for. Great review Mr. B, as pointed out the engineering that went into these is very impressive! Hope I can provide feedback once I get some laps in. If anyone has questions, just ask and I'll try to get back to you.
Barry, if my conversion is correct these pedals are about $1325.00 without shipping. These are the best set of pedals I have ever seen and I want them.
His go to/everyday wheelbase is a Leo Bodnar Sim Steering 2. The cockpit in this video is the GT Omega Prime so he just put the Fanatec DD2 on there to do a review of the cockpit.
hello! i was hoping you could maybe help me, if not, no worries :-) i am a sim racing noob with an old g25 and want to upgrade. could you tell me which wheel(-base) has the best money for value? i am looking on reddit and in all the forums but can't find a definitive answer. my pricerange is around 600$. thank you so much!
Those look like Vishay cermet long life high precision potentiometers with a (within specs), minimum, 2 million cycle lifetime. Very easy to replace and not that expensive, when you need to do so, after maybe a decade.
@@Quickmcj Thank you for pointing out the difference. I have only experienced bad potentiometers I suppose. I used to have issues with many pots being that I was a musician for much of my life and also my sim gear I recently purchased from Fanatec failed within a couple days (Handbrake). Knowing this and hearing others go through similar problems is a no-go for me now. I understand potentiometers can have different quality levels as anything does but there is no denying hall effect sensors should theoretically outlast any potentiometer. Even load cell technology bothers me a bit. I'm just all for sim gear to be as robust as possible and adding failure points to gear in this price range seems like a poor choice.
@@DouglasThompson Your point is valid, but exactly these pots should last a long time and is easy to replace. A lot of equipment do come with cheap pots for sure. Also, you can actually replace the pots with hall position sensors if you really want to extend lifetime. They are in the same rotary form as pots and input output the same.
Maybe a little late but here you go: The Simtrecs are about on par with the Ultimates, therefore clearly above the Sprints. If they are better than the Ultimates I can't say.
I'm wondering who taught you to heel-toe that way? I was taught by a pro racer that "heel-toe" is really a misnomer. That the proper technique is to use the right edge of the right foot, rolling the foot over the brake pedal to blip the throttle with the outside edge of the foot and maintain consistent brake pressure. That is why racing shoes and boots have a reinforcement on the outside of shoe/boot to take the wear from blipping the throttle.
IMHO, it Depends on the pedal setup in the roadcar you’re driving. With f.e. BMW, you can use the side of your foot. With Porsche you need to move your heel over to get on the throttle.
Depends on the set up of the pedals of the car. Carl Yarborough of nascar was famous for his "toe-heel" method. Heel on the brake, and tow to blip the throttle. Since the brake pedal and throttle pedal are far apart on a stock car. Like many things, I expect the correct method is whatever it takes for you to win.
Yes, you can mount in the slots, 14cm between the bolts. Be aware that you will need to buy M6 25 or 30mm bolts, large strong washers and nut. And the M6 will exactly just fit, its tight. Another option could be to mount directly in the p1alu profiles that might be a better option possibly, but I am not sure where a heel plate would go if needed. They also sell their own baseplate as you see in Barry's review.
@@Quickmcj Yeah, I saw the measurements yesterday, and it seem to be a very snug fit without any room for depth adjustment. The reason I want to have it on the universal plate is because I have a slider attached to it. I'm not sure if the Simtrec Baseplate is compatible with the slider. Do you have these pedals, and if so, how did you mount yours?
@@wuzumaki yes and they are mounted the way you want it 🙂 It works, but I feel the slider flexes a tiny bit when braking hard. I do consider mounting as Barry, and then with quick release bolts in the profiles of P1, to slide the pedals back (so skipping the sim lab slider and base plate) Sliding on the side profiles on P1 as I propose will possibly leave marks after some time. But that should be very strong. I have the wide simtrecs baseplate that is too wide to mount on the sim lab slider baseplate. You could possibly mount it in the bottom of the profiles and then through the slots in the sim lab baseplate. Or maybe choose the narrow simtrecs baseplate, I do not know if its mounting holes align with the simlab slider baseplate.
@@Quickmcj Ok, thats good to hear. Judging by the schematics, the Simtrecs plates don't align with the Sim-Lab Slider baseplate or the slider itself. Didn't expect the slider to have any flex at all. Since it's only a tiny bit it probably doesn't bother you? Your QR solution seems like a possible way to do it, but that leaves the possibilty of creating a whole bunch of scratches, which everyone wants to avoid. I'll try the direct mounting when I get them. Thanks for your help.
@@wuzumaki Its a very tiny amount of flex , you cannot feel it, but you can see it. If you remove the slider, and mount the simlab baseplate to the p1 profile base, that might work (giving you heel support) or as you say directly in the profiles. Or with the slider as I do atm :) Sure np.
I have the Simtrecs and they are really nice set of pedals! But you can try these for something different.. facebook.com/SIMGRADE-1314693295281981 These are made in Finland btw.
Hey Barry. I have the Prime cockpit too but with the new updated pedal tray. Just wondering what baseplate you’re using with the Simtrecs, narrow or wide?
Coming from the music industry (recording engineers, synthesizer electricians, computer engineers, etc.) I am consistently and absolutely blown away by the level of technical competency and detail of the Sim Racing community's RUclips content. You sir are a class act, not only in your niche but across all tech reviewers on TV today. Bravo, A+!
Only Barry would talk about the type of cap that’s on the jar of grease that a sim pedal set comes with. You, Sir, are the man.
Edit: After 3 months of waiting, they’re suppose to arrive at my doorstep today, can’t wait!
It's been a while now, how do you like these pedals?
@@wuzumaki No complaints at all, a lot sturdier overall than the Sprints I had. All pedals have a nice feel to them, throttle is smoother and easier to modulate, trail braking is much easier with the progressive feel of the damper and clutch feels more fluid. Extremely well built and worked with no issues out of the box, highly recommended!
@@pooljunkie85 That's great to hear. I've already placed a pre-order, but I'm on batch 8 which is going to be finished by the end of September. Did you get them with the optional baseplate or do you have them mounted differently?
@@wuzumaki Yeah I got the baseplate with it, easy to put together, really sturdy like the pedals themselves and mounts on my P1X pedal tray with ease.
Feel good don't they lol
That is the best manual for a piece of sim equipment I have seen. It really is beautiful; props to them for going the extra mile!
Thanks Barry, you are the Benchmark for Sim racing equipment reviews, keep up the fine work.
Benchmark for ALL reviews, not just sim racing. I mean he literally went from commenting about using plastic housings for PCBs due to EM interference to talking about the material used for ball bearings. This man has mechanical and electrical engineering chops. Awesome gem! Gosh I love the future.
Barry posted this review in January, it's August now... He's still using these pedals 7 months later, which is really saying something! I can't wait for my set to arrive! Thanks Barry for all the great reviews you've done!
Just got mine :)
@@NesterowiczRacing Hi, ..hey are you happy with them ??
@@reefsurfing3273 OHH YEA!!! Really smooth and precise, from hardware to software. love them.
@@NesterowiczRacing thanks for your reply 👍
@@NesterowiczRacing how do you rate them next year for me definitely on my list of upgrades
This wonderful review aged well and is what sold me on the Simtrecs over the HV's
I keep coming back to these pedals. Much more than I was looking to spend but they look fantastic
I don't have a sim ser-up as yet, just browsing to get ideas... But wow, what a master piece of design and engineering, the Rolls Royce of sim pedals. They wouldn't be out of place in a designer show case...!
I would simply love to have a set...
Im a sheet metal fabricator and love this, obviously the price is quite alot but if you want peddles to last a lifetime these look the one's to look into,
Absolutely loving mine- my dampener was defective on the brake but Simtrecs is sending a replacement right now. Super good customer service! Will update once I get it.
Did you get sorted and how easy was.the fix overall
He reminds me of James May from top gear haha, but his reviews helped me so much on my purchasing decisions! Thank you Barry🙏
I've had mine a couple of months now and man are they are some great pedals.
I was unable to restrain myself from placing a pre-order after watching this video. Just physically unable to avoid it. Is there any higher praise out of Barry than "I couldn't find anything wrong with them"? And a wonderful piece of work here, thank you for what you do for the community, SRG!
How long did it take you to get them? I'm tempted to pre-order them too
@@thinkrtank991 ordered Feb 2021, and received them in July. Not a single regret--beautiful pieces of gear. Great customer service, even being a US customer. For me, after hitting the "pre-order" button, I was contacted with a production estimate and an estimated ship date before I paid. Estimate was very good. I was "batch 6", and from their FB page it looks like they recently completed "batch 13". So their production estimates are probably really solid now. Buy with confidence!
gorgeous piece of kit, really nice engineering.
The attention to detail justifies the price with those set of pedals. Amazing bit of kit. 👍🏻
Fantastic Kit, great work, Hungarian Brothers! Cheers from Poland :) Not my price range, but maybe someday :)
I thought I never need another set of paddles as I had HEU until I watched this video.
Did you end up getting this, and how is it in comparison to the HE Ultimate?
@@wuzumaki still in line
@@langmeng825 Ok. I might line up myself. Construction seems very similar to HE Ultimate, but cheaper. I also prefer the long throttle pedal. Haven't finished the review yet, so I have yet to hear the final conclusion.
@@langmeng825 So how is it?
Software: "Break" vs. Brake...
Thease Pedals look realy great. Heusinkveld vs Simtrecs would be a great video!!
I'd say the fact Barry has these still on his rig as his daily driver answers that question.
Too bad nothing is ever compared
what an amazingly impressive set of pedals
Those are the best looking pedals I have see to date. And a very thorough review by the best in the business.
These and the simworx pedals are by far the best looking pedals on the market.
Thanks for the review, Barry! I have a set of the new Simforge pedals on the way. Let me know if you’d like to borrow them for a video.
Did you ever get them? If so, how are they?
@@budokaiboy yes, I’ve had issues with them that I’m still working on with the manufacturer. Haven’t been able to get them working properly, but once I do, I’ll let you know what I think. The quality of the pedals themselves is phenomenal for the price, and the manufacturer has been really attentive with customer service, even though it’s been months of working to resolve the issues.
@@ren930 what issues are you having?
@@ren930 why cant they be replaced with a fresh set
@@budokaiboy fluctuating readings from the pedals
Bravo on the product, the review, AND that friggin' user's manual!
Another great review, Barry. Good work! A new standard for high-end pedals may have been established. Questions. The finish of the aluminum appeared to be paint. True? Did you see any wear at any contact points? Would you expect to see the finish wear off over time on the pedal faces? Thanks for your extensive work on this project.
Very nice work again ! Very detailed, and carefully constructed , really no room for arguments! 🙂✌️
Fantastic review Barry! Does this set now wear the crown for best clutch? 🤗
I hope they do a black version.
Saw this video. The packaging alone had me sold
SRG need some T-shirts and other Merch with "So...Lets Get To It" on 'em.
ive made some
Thank you for ya reviews and the work that you put in it!
Barry, you are a national treasure. Thank you.
Awesome job as usual Barry!
I am seeing that there are many options for new pedals, I hope Barry can get his hands on products from Spain like BJ Sim Racing or DC Sim Racing, I am hearing good things from those pedals.
For me that is an almost perfect pedal set for sim racing. The only thing missing to be ideal is FFB on the brakes and throttle (like TC and ABS). Now they just need to have it in stock so I can buy it 🤔😏
Sim3D now has the rumble kit available for the Simtrecs. I ordered my set but he has a long lead time right now.
Well these are beautiful and so well packaged
1:46:32 surprise: Barry is clearly pushing the brake and the game registers zero braking (look at the HUD above his head).
He was barley pushing on them. He probably has a deadzone setup so he doesn't actually break if he's resting his foot too much on the brake pedal.
I couldn't wait for the VRS pedals anymore and ordered these. These look amazing and Barry is still using them which says a lot. Cant wait to try them out. Coming from CSR Fanatecs I've had for 8 years lol
Have you received them yet?
@@volo1826 Yep I've had them for the 2 months now and couldn't be happier. I ended up getting the email to order the VRS literally a 2 days later and I still ordered them too. I actually only tried the VRS for a day then installed the Simtrecs and I've been too happy with them to go through the hassle switching to the VRS to test them further but I will once I get more free time.
@@Havok412 hey did you ever try the VRS? I’m trying to decide between the two right now
@@cptclutch2530 Hey yes actually we built a budget second rig so my brother could play too and we used the VRS pedals. They're honestly great too but overall I still prefer the Simtrecs. However one of my reasons is that the Simtrecs just feel closer to how a car would feel and I prefer that. The VRS are harder to setup since they have much more adjustments you can tinker with and you have to use a separate control box. The simtrecs have that built-in to the pedals. I didn't feel the need to adjust the Simtrecs beyond the options it has. and the default way the VRS came in where fine for the most part.
Overall it still falls down to preference and for me, the Simtrecs were plug in play, they looks amazing, feel closer to real pedal box. Adjustments on the Simtrecs are easy and the instructions are great.
Negatives were Sim3D rumble motors are double sided taped onto the gas pedal since there is no option to hard mount. VRS pedals use the same hardware. (They work great on both I just don't know if it will last). Adjustments on the VRS are not necessarily hard but there is steeper learning curve on how to adjust them properly if you want things like a harder or softer feel brake or longer or shorter travel. There is no manual and the only sources are from a VRS video that you would need to reference. I don't particularly like the feel of the VRS throttle. I get its super responsive as it has no dampener and it only uses the spring. You can adjust it to feel more heavy but for me its still not heavy enough. It does have a competitive edge though.
Simtrecs are more expensive but you get what you pay for. Not meaning the VRS are cheap I just think they're both prices well for what you get on either decision.
Thanks for showing the P1X pedal plate on GTOmega Prime. I've been wondering if that would work. Great video, as always.
Great review, Barry! I just got my set and going over the elastomer options I was wondering what you have settled on? From the video it looks to me like you are running a 25H > 20H > 10H in the 2nd breaking stage with little to no freeplay in the 1st breaking stage.
Thumbs up for the fantastic manual!!!
Had to check this out after trying these out at the S.R.G!!! :)
@@designamk1160 😂
Can you do a video comparison on pedals vs value? Meca Cup 1's vs these, vs HE's with price factored in?
@@____________________ok Super cheap laser cutting??
@@____________________ok HE ultimates use laser cut parts but is it a better pedal set? So do Meca Cup 1's. Are these worth the extra because they are cnc machined? I get your paying for asthetics is that worth the $xxx price difference between other pedals
1. I think the SRG just give a thorough explanation of each product. Doesn't seem fairing comparing because preference is subjective.
2. Price could vary quite a lot depending on shipping and taxes for where different people live.
3. Best thing to do is get as many different opinions on feel as possible (or test them), and make your own decision based on your criteria, and remember to check shipping & taxes.
4. I think you'll more likely get a response if you phrase your questions differently i.e. "Which are your favourite pedals?" or "Which are your favourite budget pedals?" rather than asking for a direct comparison, or ranking. Or maybe try and email SRG so that it isn't in the video comments?
Im also deciding between these two at the moment. Here are some of my considerations which might be useful. I still haven't made my mind but.. Ill share anyway:
1. Heusinkveld handle more force but most people dont need the forces that even Simtrecs handle.
2. Heusinkvelds use all load cells which basically have infinite life (like 200 million cycles or sth ridiculous like that). Simtrecs use pots which will eventually wear maybe years down the line, but consider that even logitechs use cheap pots compared to this and Ive seen some of those work for like 10 years easily. The pots seem to be easily replaceable by the user if you can find the correct part number too.
3. Heusinkveld use a cheaper manufacturing process like you said and look worse than simtrecs (Simtrecs are absolutely beautiful), and also use off the shelf dampers. Even though this is the case, I believe it is a good thing as you can replace the parts on your own. Replacing the damper on the simtrecs can be done by the user, but the part might need to be sourced from them as they are anodized. You might be able to get something off the shelf but it wouldn't have that color. Of course, this is given that the fail which is highly unlikely. The dampers also seem to work better on simtrecs from the videos ive seen. Just watch the two SRG reviews.
4. Hs have an external electronics box, which is extrenal -> more interference, more cables but can be upgraded down the line. Also they are 12 bit vs 16 bit on the Simtrecs but in the practical sense it doesn't matter, and Hvelds can be upgraded down the line. Simtrecs are difficult to replace the electronics ( not that hard if you can get a board from them, but harder than Hs) , but how many times has some simple electronics board gone bad on you?
5. Simtrecs easily have the better presentation (not even close), cost the manufacturers more (maybe atleast double the manufacturing cost), have better software, although Hveld seems to be working on one for Ultimates.
6. Simtrecs are cheaper by like 200 USD, but you might have to wait. I placed a preorder and I am in batch 6 (didn't have to pay anything yet), however they are estimated to ship at the end of july or in august. Hvelds are available almost always.
7. Simtrecs use a weird usb cable which is difficult to obtain, 1/8 inch jack to usb. Might need to contact the manufacturer for a replacement.
8. Hveld are an amazing company with an established, tried and tested product, with great customer service. I know they are almost certain to exist maybe 10 years later too. Simtrecs are new but I don't know if they will be there long term or if they are a boutique manufacturer and they focus on this short term. They probably will be there and this wont matter if the product lasts.
9. One flaw in the design of simtrecs I found is on the throttle pedal. On the max throw setting, the pot arm seems to touch the back. This is not a load bearing part and it might be possible to bend it with enough force. You can easily solve it by setting it to a slightly lower throw setting, where this arm doesn't touch. The pedals also seems to have a hard stop as barry mentions in the review. Heusinkvelds have a soft stop which can feel better under the feet and uses an easily replaceable blue stopper (looks like urethane, not sure though).
In short, Hveld seems to have a philosophy of extreme durability and easy maintenance, and awesome customer service, but also with higher margins. You can also see this from them just using stock fibroelastomers that kinda look ugly compared to the all black ones on the Simtrecs (although the sprints have nice looking ones). Simtrecs are more about creating an elegant product that kinda hits all the marks ( apple like in a sense). It easily costs them more than twice as much to make their pedals than Hveld, given same labour costs, and are also cheaper. Hveld Ultimates are also quite old, and may have an upgrade soon in the next couple years or so I think, but I don't know how they can make it better, other than maybe integrate the electronics at the cost of some servicability, and have some nice software with it.
Which is better? I dont know. I would like some of your suggestions as I don't know which one to buy. In any sense, having either of these pedals will be a dream to use anyway.
@@anupjsebastian at the end of the day I bought the Meca Cup 1's. To me they sit between the HE sprints and ultimates. Do they look as nice? No but my feet are on them so I don't care as much. I can almost buy 2 sets for the cost of HE ultamotes. Software - they both use the same and it works. I think parts would be a wash either way. Like you said a control board is a pretty easy swap on HE and Meca's. I haven't heard of anyone having issues with either pedal set. Buy what makes you happy. You are the only one who has to live wirh that decision. I choose to use pedals that work for what I want and use the savings on other sim gear. Good luck man.
Really nice pedals,only flaw for me is the accelerator pedal plate not being removable.
Nice but too much for my SIM racing budget.
Great review as usual!!
Thank you Barry.
Wow, those seem to be really good. Looks like I'm getting hungarian pedals instead of netherland ones.
they misspelled "brake" and wrote "break" in the software lol
Wow, that manual look like a comic book!! Usually you get a paper if anything!.. ':D
Love the tool and accessory slot on the lid as well!
First thought when seeing the pedals is Star Wars. :)
Ohhh Noooo, could this be your first future NON Shifter video, R-VR Closet, hahahaha
@@SingleRacerSVR Nah, I think I stick with shifters!! XD
@Barry Is there a known reason why these guys use potentiometers for clutch/brake instead of loadcells?
This is a loadcell brake...
These look nicer than heusinkveld pros. They just went up on the top of my pedal wishlist.
Some people claim they're even better than Ultimate
After trying them at sim racing garage i would have to put my opinion that they are better than the ultimate's just my opinion
I‘m stupid. I meant the ultimates. 🤦♂️
I believe you. They are definitely on top of my pedals wishlist. But for now I have to stick to my modded out Logitech’s with true brake mod and my 3D printed bitepoint mechanism for the clutch.
@Robert Schneider i was fortunate enough to get the hpp prx se for a reasonable price..im sure at least satisfied with the extra modding until that day comes! :)
I'm only a few minutes in, and you're already talking about the manual. Looks super impressive already. Sucks, because I bought the mecca cup one pedals a few months ago.
I ordered the cup1’s 2 days ago. I have a feeling I will be emailing them later to cancel
@@chunkylecky the cups are actually really good. I've been very happy with them.
@@atrain132 absolutely I cannot dispute that as until a few hours ago I was very happy with my order. These I feel are just a bit better in every way. I am very happy they have a proper software to go with them.
Barry: Would these pedals be a noticeable upgrade in terms of overall pedal feel compared to the Proto SimTech PT2 (my current pedal set)? You're the only person I know who has tried both...even though it has been quite some time since testing the PT2s...
Which ones would you go with, these or the meca cup 1s?
Actually Barry, and everyone else looking at these VS the HE sprints - realistically speaking, how much of a difference do the dampers on all pedals make in the overall immersion and feel of the pedals. I preordered these but I keep going back and forth between them and the sprints mostly because of the price. If there's anything I don't really like about the simtrecs is not being able to change the throttle faceplate. Nonetheless with some 3D design i may be able to make an adapter plate that can accommodate other faces. I am also think about painting the pedals, I wonder if I can actually get away with doing that to them without seriously damaging anything.
Edit (3 months later): Mine just arrived today and I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EXCITED! stuck at work though lol
How have they been performing so far? Would you recommend them for the price?
@@AndreBrah worth every penny
I've been debating if it's worth upgrading from my Sprints (2000$ in Canada). it's basically the same tech used for both pedals but the extra cost for a such a beautiful pedal only offering dampers and much better looking product might be best to invest into something different like Hydraulic. If Simucube didn't cost 3500$ per pedal I would do that. I know when you get a new piece of gear we all get exited and forget the fundamentals so after all this time what's your general opinion and what are the bad about these Simtrecs?
Yoyoyooo, chill, I just bought new pedals! 😅
Me too 😅
Hahaha
@@MatthewPlaisance which pedal set did you go for buddy?
@@RoarS89 I got the Fanatec V3s with the performance kit, friend. Lol
@@MatthewPlaisance Nice man, my V3's are getting swapped with the MECA CUP1-3's. :)
Thanks for the review! Which shifter are you using in this Video? Thx
Barry, will these replace the Wave Italy's as your daily drivers? Great review, as always!
big like from Xpertboost. keep it up. love your videos. new subscriber here.
please make a review of SIMFORGE Mark 1 pedals ♥
Thanks Barry ;) Great review.
I'm getting to it.
I saw them on sell on ebay today
@Sim Racing Garage Hi Barry. Can you tell me what size wheel rim you were using to drive the lotus 49 in this video. If possible i need the size and make/model just incase i can't get the one you have. It looks perfect for the skippy and other open top cars i enjoy driving.
Thanks in advance Barry
How are the pedals holding up after 3 years?
Just love all your vids!! Currently runninf fanatec system dd1, with v3 brakes. Wanting to upgrade the brakes, uo in the air about which direction to turn these, or the sim magic hydrolic or a diff hydrolic. Anyone with food for thpught for me is greatly apprecieated. As i was ready to buy thr p2000 but then read cant calibrate them properly without simmagic base.
Salut, j'ai acheté ce pédalier suite à ta vidéo, il est magnifique, sais tu comment faire pour le graisser stp?
Merci
The SRP gt pedals sitting on the floor. Guess they didn’t make the Final Cut.
He loved those pedals and used them for two years.
This Sep I am buying new pedals, and these may be what I buy, do they ship to the states?
Yes, they ship to the US. If you haven't put in your preorder with Simtrecs by now, I doubt you'll get them for September.
How did i not notice this was 2 hours??? Very nice, after i purchase my next rig i am definitely gonna be taking a long look at these pedals.
Edit: yeah I couldn't afford/justify the purchase of these so went for Simagic P2000 pedals and am very happy with them!
Any concerns about wear on the stops with the metal-on-metal contact?
Came away thinking that this was over engineered to make the price
These are handsome!
It is better than simworx pedal???
Motor bikes have throttles cars have accelerators ?
I'm thinking of ordering the products, but in my mind, will the potentiometer on the gas pedal cause trouble in a long time? Do you provide the necessary spare parts support in potentiometer problems? Hall effect preference of other brands may be more seamless.
It's the same tech used in high-end cars I don't see this being an issue
sexy pedals.
I got bumped up (Batch 4), just received the email that my set is ready to ship! woot Can't wait to put these on the rig. Coming from V3's, I just couldn't get the precise modulation on the brake/throttle I'm looking for.
Great review Mr. B, as pointed out the engineering that went into these is very impressive! Hope I can provide feedback once I get some laps in. If anyone has questions, just ask and I'll try to get back to you.
After trying these at the S.R.G i think you will be VERY HAPPY with the purchase!!! :)
SO, how do you like them, should I pull the trigger?
Same question as the other dude. Did you get them? How long did it take to get them?
@@thinkrtank991 For me its was a toss up between these and the Asetek Invicta. I went with the Asetek. Just waiting for delivery.
@@thinkrtank991 I'll be getting mine on Monday, currently using Fanatec V'3.
Barry, if my conversion is correct these pedals are about $1325.00 without shipping. These are the best set of pedals I have ever seen and I want them.
It was 1172 Euro (with the optional baseplate) shipped to Canada, before customs/taxes.
Barry, I notice you have a DD2 on your rig. Is that your go to wheelbase now over the Simucube 2?
His go to/everyday wheelbase is a Leo Bodnar Sim Steering 2. The cockpit in this video is the GT Omega Prime so he just put the Fanatec DD2 on there to do a review of the cockpit.
@@BlessYoo got it, thanks :)
Are they worth upgrading from the Heusinkveld sprints?
Yes
@adam45899 yeah I've been using them for 2 weeks now and Holy cow what an amazing piece of kit
hello! i was hoping you could maybe help me, if not, no worries :-) i am a sim racing noob with an old g25 and want to upgrade. could you tell me which wheel(-base) has the best money for value? i am looking on reddit and in all the forums but can't find a definitive answer. my pricerange is around 600$. thank you so much!
can you test pedals on circuit with lots of corners
like LAGUNA SECA?
thanks
You realize Sebring has more turns than laguna seca right?
Odd choice to put a potentiometer on this high-quality of a set...They will fail.
Those look like Vishay cermet long life high precision potentiometers with a (within specs), minimum, 2 million cycle lifetime. Very easy to replace and not that expensive, when you need to do so, after maybe a decade.
@@Quickmcj Thank you for pointing out the difference. I have only experienced bad potentiometers I suppose. I used to have issues with many pots being that I was a musician for much of my life and also my sim gear I recently purchased from Fanatec failed within a couple days (Handbrake). Knowing this and hearing others go through similar problems is a no-go for me now. I understand potentiometers can have different quality levels as anything does but there is no denying hall effect sensors should theoretically outlast any potentiometer. Even load cell technology bothers me a bit.
I'm just all for sim gear to be as robust as possible and adding failure points to gear in this price range seems like a poor choice.
@@DouglasThompson Your point is valid, but exactly these pots should last a long time and is easy to replace. A lot of equipment do come with cheap pots for sure. Also, you can actually replace the pots with hall position sensors if you really want to extend lifetime. They are in the same rotary form as pots and input output the same.
@@Quickmcj that's good to know, thank you for sharing your information
Potentiometers would be a deal breaker if I were to want to buy these.
Barry, do they fit on simlab p1x pedal plate.Thank you.
Yes, you can see them mounted to it in the driving segment.
How is the Simtrecs compared to Heusinkveld Sprints or Ultimate?
Maybe a little late but here you go: The Simtrecs are about on par with the Ultimates, therefore clearly above the Sprints. If they are better than the Ultimates I can't say.
@@bjornromermann5080 thanks for the reply, I ended up getting the Simtrecs in Jan this year, not one bit of regret.
I'm wondering who taught you to heel-toe that way? I was taught by a pro racer that "heel-toe" is really a misnomer. That the proper technique is to use the right edge of the right foot, rolling the foot over the brake pedal to blip the throttle with the outside edge of the foot and maintain consistent brake pressure. That is why racing shoes and boots have a reinforcement on the outside of shoe/boot to take the wear from blipping the throttle.
IMHO, it Depends on the pedal setup in the roadcar you’re driving. With f.e. BMW, you can use the side of your foot. With Porsche you need to move your heel over to get on the throttle.
Depends on the set up of the pedals of the car. Carl Yarborough of nascar was famous for his "toe-heel" method. Heel on the brake, and tow to blip the throttle. Since the brake pedal and throttle pedal are far apart on a stock car. Like many things, I expect the correct method is whatever it takes for you to win.
do someone have the sample of the rsr in the intro?
20 mins into the video...Shut up and take my money.
It should be ott for the price you pay I wouldn’t be good if it looked cheap
Does it work with PS4/5 using Fanatec Clubsport wheel?
Short answer is no. Basically there is no other pedalset other then from Fanatec, Thrustmaster or Logitech which work with consols.
@@C42ST3N Thanks.
These pedals vs wave Italy
Ultimate man cave.
what a incredible pedal set. Sad that i live in a shithole country.
Tyvm for the review!!
Anyone that has these directly mounted on a Sim-Lab P1-X Universal pedal plate?
Yes, you can mount in the slots, 14cm between the bolts. Be aware that you will need to buy M6 25 or 30mm bolts, large strong washers and nut. And the M6 will exactly just fit, its tight. Another option could be to mount directly in the p1alu profiles that might be a better option possibly, but I am not sure where a heel plate would go if needed. They also sell their own baseplate as you see in Barry's review.
@@Quickmcj Yeah, I saw the measurements yesterday, and it seem to be a very snug fit without any room for depth adjustment. The reason I want to have it on the universal plate is because I have a slider attached to it. I'm not sure if the Simtrec Baseplate is compatible with the slider. Do you have these pedals, and if so, how did you mount yours?
@@wuzumaki yes and they are mounted the way you want it 🙂 It works, but I feel the slider flexes a tiny bit when braking hard. I do consider mounting as Barry, and then with quick release bolts in the profiles of P1, to slide the pedals back (so skipping the sim lab slider and base plate) Sliding on the side profiles on P1 as I propose will possibly leave marks after some time. But that should be very strong.
I have the wide simtrecs baseplate that is too wide to mount on the sim lab slider baseplate. You could possibly mount it in the bottom of the profiles and then through the slots in the sim lab baseplate. Or maybe choose the narrow simtrecs baseplate, I do not know if its mounting holes align with the simlab slider baseplate.
@@Quickmcj Ok, thats good to hear. Judging by the schematics, the Simtrecs plates don't align with the Sim-Lab Slider baseplate or the slider itself.
Didn't expect the slider to have any flex at all. Since it's only a tiny bit it probably doesn't bother you?
Your QR solution seems like a possible way to do it, but that leaves the possibilty of creating a whole bunch of scratches, which everyone wants to avoid.
I'll try the direct mounting when I get them. Thanks for your help.
@@wuzumaki Its a very tiny amount of flex , you cannot feel it, but you can see it. If you remove the slider, and mount the simlab baseplate to the p1 profile base, that might work (giving you heel support) or as you say directly in the profiles. Or with the slider as I do atm :)
Sure np.
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Everyone alway trying to copy HE wish we would see some innovation.
wow i was gonna say :finally something different then HE knockoffs.
I would buy these instead of the ultimates if i would pay that much for pedals.
In that case watch the review ;)
Couldn’t be more different to HE.
Look better than HE's to me.
I have the Simtrecs and they are really nice set of pedals! But you can try these for something different.. facebook.com/SIMGRADE-1314693295281981 These are made in Finland btw.
Hey Barry. I have the Prime cockpit too but with the new updated pedal tray. Just wondering what baseplate you’re using with the Simtrecs, narrow or wide?
Wide.