Push Pull Drum Technique Explained

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  • Опубликовано: 6 ноя 2013
  • A less than 2 minute guide to the mechanics of the the push pull double stroke technique. Unlike every other video I have seen on this, I actually explain it instead of just demonstrating it (otherwise known as showing off). Hopefully this helps you play faster and/or more efficiently.
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  • @ikarooz
    @ikarooz 6 лет назад +123

    I dig how your lesson took less than two minutes while some others take 7-15. TYVM

    • @Carriesaglock
      @Carriesaglock Год назад

      Other people demonstrate at speed tho, this guy did not. I could make this video showing the technique ultra slow and I can’t push/pull at all.

  • @milo8796
    @milo8796 4 года назад +38

    This was the single video out of hundreds I’ve watched where I actually got the technique down.

    • @bryanbryan6108
      @bryanbryan6108 Месяц назад

      Bruh, it takes a long time to get this down

    • @xtraspecialj
      @xtraspecialj Месяц назад

      ​@@bryanbryan6108 Well I'm glad you said that because I just thought I suck, lol. Good to know that it isn't just me that is struggling to do it correctly. I'll keep practicing. I've been learning coin and card magic off and on for the last few years, so I'm used to practicing techniques that take weeks, months, or even years to perform properly.

    • @milo8796
      @milo8796 Месяц назад

      What I meant is that the technique was so well explained in the video, that I was able to start doing the technique before it ended. But by no means have I perfected it, even now four years later.

  • @againstall8775
    @againstall8775 3 года назад +16

    Very informative, right and to the point, very articulate.. no need for a flashy intro... this is the epitome of a perfect tutorial! As a drummer who is wanting to always learn new stuff, I thank you !

  • @bymyself11
    @bymyself11 10 лет назад +48

    Very good explanation! Thanks for keeping it simple :)

  • @balachanderagoramurthy8667
    @balachanderagoramurthy8667 3 года назад +3

    Thanks Ryan, I was practising French Grip and able to use my right hand only as of now. I am able to play to a 65-beat metronome as of now. I will start practising the push-pull technique from now as well. I get a thumb pain when I play the French grip fast. I am bit more comfortable with the push-pull technique now. Thanks once again. Bala.

  • @TatianaRacheva
    @TatianaRacheva 9 лет назад +1

    Thank you for explaining all three in a really quick way.

  • @Foreverceltic
    @Foreverceltic Год назад

    Absolutely fantastic video. Thank you good sir.

  • @user-fh5ss5zy8i
    @user-fh5ss5zy8i 2 месяца назад

    Asiento. Directo al grano. Breve. Directo. I like it!!

  • @johnflock7233
    @johnflock7233 7 лет назад

    Going to see you play at Jones Beach tonight. Can't wait to see you play in person!!!

  • @amatmulisha2978
    @amatmulisha2978 6 лет назад +1

    Clear explanation.jojo mayer technics.will try soon.many thanks

  • @calbarnard9686
    @calbarnard9686 10 лет назад +19

    this tim hortons wifi is bullshit

  • @SuperDrumsforever
    @SuperDrumsforever 3 года назад

    Great lesson. Well done.

  • @vincentbuonora8477
    @vincentbuonora8477 4 года назад

    Excellent demonstration one seems to be single stroke roll and other the push pull

  • @dinoypapaesdoc1106
    @dinoypapaesdoc1106 4 года назад

    Yeah, finaly i get it. Digging up! Thanks

  • @bloop9966
    @bloop9966 7 лет назад +17

    I own a guitar and after 2 hours of guitar videos I ended up here... good video though.

  • @nofuneral1790
    @nofuneral1790 2 года назад

    FINALLY a video on this concept that doesn't involve "so I kind flick my hand all weird off to the side..." like wtf? No it's a rebound stroke with a finger controlled 2nd hit as you raise your wrist. So many really wacky, breaks all the other technique you normally use, methods out there. This is the way to do it.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  2 года назад +1

      I tried to find someone teaching this significantly different from me a few months ago. I couldn’t find anyone who wasn’t saying what I’m saying. Maybe less clearly, but this is the prevailing opinion.

  • @ADLuna2013
    @ADLuna2013 6 лет назад

    Great explanation! :)

  • @joecanzano
    @joecanzano 6 лет назад

    Good video. Thanks.

  • @raion9692
    @raion9692 9 месяцев назад

    Finally a video that shows it fast not after 15 min of talk 😂😂😂

  • @schwarg
    @schwarg 2 года назад +1

    My left hand struggles really bad with keeping up with my right in this technique.

  • @carwash9333
    @carwash9333 2 года назад +1

    I can play push pull slow, but when I try to do it fast it feels like I’m trying to do doubles and failing. Hopefully it gets better with more practice. I just gotta keep repping it slow

  • @my2moneypits
    @my2moneypits 7 месяцев назад

    Super helpful!

  • @garbagepailkids81
    @garbagepailkids81 Год назад

    Thank you!

  • @bigcoffinhunter5500
    @bigcoffinhunter5500 Год назад

    Fuck man I wish I could show someone my left hand. I genuinely have no idea what my issue is. Appreciate the tutorial man, coming back to this video after a year to relearn this technique

  • @bowenwang8572
    @bowenwang8572 2 года назад

    holy shit this is so helpful

  • @balachanderagoramurthy8667
    @balachanderagoramurthy8667 3 года назад +1

    Hi Ryan, I have a question, I am Bala and am practising various techniques on the Alesis Nitro Pro set. I am asking this question since I am visually impaired and not able to get the visuals. Do we play with the butt of the stick when we pull the stick in the push-pull technique? Awaiting your reply. Thanks in advance for your reply.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  3 года назад +3

      Hi, I never expected that people wouldn’t be able to see my hand so sorry about that. I guess it isn’t clear from my verbal description. To answer your question, no, you play both halves with the tip of the stick from the normal playing position. In this technique you are simply opening your hand after the first note and closing your hand to create the second. The opening allows for a large rebound and the closing gives you a second note with no second wrist motion.

  • @tipofelice
    @tipofelice 5 лет назад

    Can the push pull be used in the left hand using the traditional grip? If so, please demonstrate that.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  5 лет назад

      tipofelice yes it can. Jojo Mayer does that a lot. I’ll see about demonstrating it. I’m not a traditional grip master but I can kind of do it.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  5 лет назад

      I thought about it and that is a good idea for a video. I filmed it, its in the queue. it'll come out in a couple weeks I think.

  • @hyperplayability6290
    @hyperplayability6290 11 месяцев назад

    100/10 video

  • @peacefulbliss1
    @peacefulbliss1 Год назад

    Thanks for this lesson. I still don't know if I am doing this correctly or not. Is it normal for this to start out as a push/pull and then as it speeds up, mine seems to become more of a pull/push or "snap/drop, snap/drop". Appreciate your time, thanks...

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Год назад +1

      That’s sounds fine to me. There are a few variations of this idea and people argue over what to call it, but the principle is the same. Everything always changes a little bit from the slow version to the fast version. Very few technical aspects of playing work equally at all speeds.

    • @peacefulbliss1
      @peacefulbliss1 Год назад

      @@RyanAlexanderBloom Appreciate the response, thank you. To truly get this going fast, it must take a lot of conditioning of the forearm muscles no? There's a drummer on here his name is Ramon Mantagner who plays this at ridiculous speeds. Shows him using his thumb on top of the stick, wonder if that makes a difference?

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Год назад +1

      @@peacefulbliss1 I don't know about the thumb, but it does take some practice to use this very quickly. I don't think its muscle so much as timing.

  • @Plydrms
    @Plydrms 9 лет назад +1

    Hi, is this basically the same as the "open/close' technique? Looks really nice. I have been working on Moeller and finger control for some time now. I was always taught to "pinch" the fulcrum of the stick between the 1st joint of the index finger and the thumb. Recently, I discovered a video by Gordy Knudtson that shows the open/closed technique. It looks like he is back on the second index finger joint and a looser grip. I think Dave Weckl is using this grip now.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  9 лет назад +2

      Plydrms Ive never heard anyone call it that, but after watching another video on it, this is the same thing as open/close. Exactly the same. You should generally get used to using any number of joints or fingers as the fulcrum. Many people play with a middle finger fulcrum, completely taking the index finger out of the loop altogether, it seems illogical, but it works. I can easily alternate between a first knuckle and second knuckle index finger fulcrum and I frequently change between them based on what technique/rhythm/tempo/drum I'm playing at the moment. I wouldn't get stuck on any particular grip or fulcrum. If you can play a number of ways correctly, you'll find the one you need for any given situation and be very versatile.

  • @katkong281
    @katkong281 Год назад

    I'm really struggling trying to replicate the push stroke after recovering from the pull stroke without there being a pause. It feels weird and impossible

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Год назад

      That is the hardest part. I can link them together but not very fast. I mainly use this for alternating double strokes between my hands.

  • @alexgebruers5621
    @alexgebruers5621 10 дней назад

    i've been trying this for months very slow , but can't do it faster, any advice?

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  9 дней назад

      It’s not all or nothing. You can blend this with other techniques and just let your fingers help out some. Also, use a metronome and push yourself incrementally. It’s also not that easy… after many years I’m not as good as Jojo Mayer for instance.

    • @alexgebruers5621
      @alexgebruers5621 9 дней назад

      @@RyanAlexanderBloom thanks, when playing slow it’s only my fingers that cause the second hit, but when I play faster my fingers can’t help…

  • @swiss6253
    @swiss6253 2 года назад

    Short and to the point ty, after doing it for weeks I was wondering if people did it in both german and french grips.
    But, what's the point really? It seems like a lot of wasted energy. I can blast faster with german or french grip than I can push pull double, yet I see people do these push pull rolls that seem impossible. I just can't get them faster for some reason, or maybe it takes years? I've only done hand techniques on a drum pad for a couple months.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  2 года назад

      Most people can use this to some extent to play faster blasts or faster cleaner double stroke rolls or tighter shuffles… there are a variety of uses. But you have to actually be good at it.

    • @swiss6253
      @swiss6253 2 года назад

      @@RyanAlexanderBloom ..ok

  • @ubiras1000
    @ubiras1000 2 года назад

    is it the same with open close technique? looks the same though

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  2 года назад +1

      I did a poll and 69% of drummers think they’re the same thing. That means 31% think they’re not. Although, if you watch any number of RUclips vids on either one it sure does look the same in most of them.

    • @ubiras1000
      @ubiras1000 2 года назад

      @@RyanAlexanderBloom thanks for the insight

  • @nealsausen4651
    @nealsausen4651 6 месяцев назад

    You don’t really have to show this in slow Mo just do it in real time, but just do it SLOWLY! Makes sense to some friendly advice from someone who’s been utilizing this technique since 1981 courtesy of FRED GRUBER my teacher

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  6 месяцев назад

      I can do it super slow in real life… but I had just gotten a phone with a high speed camera at this point, so that’s what you get in this video.

    • @nealsausen4651
      @nealsausen4651 6 месяцев назад

      @@RyanAlexanderBloom : sounds good to me Ryan! Keep swinging

  • @banjomango145
    @banjomango145 7 лет назад +1

    How do you get this really fast?

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  7 лет назад +3

      snoort Boort practicing. The same way you get anything fast. Use a metronome and incrementally increase the tempo over time.

    • @hughmcgown
      @hughmcgown 6 лет назад +1

      i didn't know this was called this I've been doing a combination of this with lifting wrist like molar technique i thought that was how people blasted without using the rim but think ive been trying to do push pull blasts

  • @CaeSharp
    @CaeSharp Год назад

    Hard for people learning this technique to evaluate if this is one of the good videos or not, but a example where you play it really fast would certainly help.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Год назад

      I don’t think playing really fast helps anyone learn anything. I have other videos on my channel where I use this to play much faster, though.

    • @CaeSharp
      @CaeSharp Год назад

      @@RyanAlexanderBloom
      As we can't evaluate a technique we don't have or know, we have to evaluate the result. Not to learn, just to figure out if this is a good technique to learn or not.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  Год назад

      That’s entirely up to you. If you don’t know about it and don’t know if you want to learn it then they sounds like a personal issue. I’m just here to show you how it works if you do want it.

    • @CaeSharp
      @CaeSharp Год назад

      ​@@RyanAlexanderBloom What I'm trying to say is that you don't show us that the technique works. You show it how you do it when playing really slow.
      I was hoping it would come across as a tip for future videos.

  • @guillaumeboyer5473
    @guillaumeboyer5473 6 лет назад

    Nice thx ! You might wanna use a deesser on your voice parts :)

  • @wilsondelion6180
    @wilsondelion6180 7 лет назад

    Thanks

  • @kawabungadad8945
    @kawabungadad8945 5 лет назад +1

    I haven't seen anyone ever use the 'gravity technique' except when explaining it.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  5 лет назад +1

      Vladimir Poutine johnny rabb is best known for it, he calls it freehand. Just watch him play almost anything and he will use it. Also it’s common in grind and fast death metal. It’s not particularly loud, so it’s kind of weird to use for blasting, but none the less people do. It’s maybe the least common technique in drumming though. Lots of people know it, but hardly ever see a reason for it.

  • @gaberomero127
    @gaberomero127 8 лет назад

    I had a quick question, if you faster won't it sound like a One Handed Double Stroke Roll?Yeah right?

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  8 лет назад

      Yeah you can play pretty fast one-handed with these if you work at it.

    • @gaberomero127
      @gaberomero127 8 лет назад

      +Ryan Alexander Bloom I'm curious...I'm not that familiar with this technique, but what is the purpose of it and i don't know if there's a main way of playing it is used for

    • @gaberomero127
      @gaberomero127 8 лет назад

      +Brenda November Sorry I meant where can it be applied, but I get the understanding of where..I went to a forum

    • @gaberomero127
      @gaberomero127 8 лет назад

      +Brenda November But....Wouldn't it be hard trying to get the sound of a Single Stroke Rolls vs. trying to get the sound of a One Handed Double Stroke Rolls?

    • @gaberomero127
      @gaberomero127 8 лет назад

      +Brenda November Idk if it would sound more like the single handef double stroke rolls if i was trying to do the single stroke rolls

  • @ryanachenbach72
    @ryanachenbach72 10 лет назад

    can you do a tutorial on bass sixtenths?

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  10 лет назад +2

      I probably could… but you know you take lessons in person right? You get better tutorials in real life.

    • @ryanachenbach72
      @ryanachenbach72 10 лет назад +1

      I know

  • @tlmusiclessons
    @tlmusiclessons 6 лет назад +1

    Hey Ryan, I've featured your video in a blog post about double strokes here (thank you): learndrumsforfree.com/drum-lessons/reading-buzz-rolls-and-double-stroke-markings

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  6 лет назад

      TL Music Lessons cool! That’s awesome. Hopefully some readers find it interesting.

  • @upulkiresantha5831
    @upulkiresantha5831 3 года назад

    Weri gud

  • @franklinhoway5958
    @franklinhoway5958 3 года назад

    Do it at 300 bpm

  • @stupenderifous
    @stupenderifous 10 лет назад

    Would using the push-pull with french grip at faster speeds be harmful to your arms or wrists? About 230 bpm is what I had in mind. I've heard some conflicting info and would like to get as many opinions as I can.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  10 лет назад +1

      I don't see why it would be any more harmful than anything else. It doesn't appear to put any excess strain on any parts of my hands when I do it. You are just opening and closing your fingers. I don't think that is inherently damaging.

    • @stupenderifous
      @stupenderifous 10 лет назад

      I had heard some people say that it goes against the mechanics of the wrist, or that the wrist is put in an odd position and doesn't work well in said position after long term use. But a lot of people seem to use it.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  10 лет назад

      Other than a bit of arm movement, its not very different from the basic french stroke. Maybe there is a way of doing it that is bad for you, but the way I do it really doesn't use much wrist at all. Its all finger and arm.

  • @dobster4572
    @dobster4572 2 года назад

    We need 6 more likes! Cause it's 2022

  • @vernonfreeman6639
    @vernonfreeman6639 9 лет назад +3

    Push-pull technique

  • @Jerry-bb6cu
    @Jerry-bb6cu 3 года назад

    This is not good because he's not using the rebound from the pad

    • @timonoosthuizen3614
      @timonoosthuizen3614 Год назад

      That is actually exactly why it is good. Go check out Yoni Madar. The whole purpose is to be able to play really fast on any given surface. Especially low tuned floor times.

  • @garypugh1153
    @garypugh1153 6 лет назад

    i just watch buddy rich.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  6 лет назад +1

      People have often speculated about his technique. He plays so fast that often its hard to tell. Many have postulated a version of push pull as his main way to play fast. Most people focus on his left hand technique in videos, though, and that is completely different because of the traditional grip.

  • @claudiocruzat7667
    @claudiocruzat7667 4 года назад

    German grip? French grip? This is strange.

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  4 года назад

      German and French grips are standard terminology (at least in North America, don't know where you are from) and this push-pull technique is pretty well known, but some people find it hard to figure out. Let me know what exactly you find strange and I can help you out a little bit.

  • @itsohardgt4957
    @itsohardgt4957 6 лет назад

    I Think He Copy The Push And pull Technique Of Matt macguire??

  • @drumtwo4seven
    @drumtwo4seven 9 месяцев назад

    maybe learn to do it first before trying to explain it

    • @RyanAlexanderBloom
      @RyanAlexanderBloom  9 месяцев назад

      Fun fact, I use this every day in my practical playing and I’ve taught it to innumerable students in real life. I think I can do it.

  • @moo_im_a_cow
    @moo_im_a_cow 4 года назад

    Fuckin' hell dude EQ the high-end frequencies off of your voice, holy shit. The high-pitch whistle in your voice nearly blew my eardrums out. Unwatchable

  • @elspackodelsol
    @elspackodelsol 2 года назад

    Thank you!