Push Pull Drum Technique Explained
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- Опубликовано: 6 ноя 2013
- A less than 2 minute guide to the mechanics of the the push pull double stroke technique. Unlike every other video I have seen on this, I actually explain it instead of just demonstrating it (otherwise known as showing off). Hopefully this helps you play faster and/or more efficiently.
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I dig how your lesson took less than two minutes while some others take 7-15. TYVM
Other people demonstrate at speed tho, this guy did not. I could make this video showing the technique ultra slow and I can’t push/pull at all.
This was the single video out of hundreds I’ve watched where I actually got the technique down.
Bruh, it takes a long time to get this down
@@bryanbryan6108 Well I'm glad you said that because I just thought I suck, lol. Good to know that it isn't just me that is struggling to do it correctly. I'll keep practicing. I've been learning coin and card magic off and on for the last few years, so I'm used to practicing techniques that take weeks, months, or even years to perform properly.
What I meant is that the technique was so well explained in the video, that I was able to start doing the technique before it ended. But by no means have I perfected it, even now four years later.
Very informative, right and to the point, very articulate.. no need for a flashy intro... this is the epitome of a perfect tutorial! As a drummer who is wanting to always learn new stuff, I thank you !
Very good explanation! Thanks for keeping it simple :)
thanks for watching.
Thanks Ryan, I was practising French Grip and able to use my right hand only as of now. I am able to play to a 65-beat metronome as of now. I will start practising the push-pull technique from now as well. I get a thumb pain when I play the French grip fast. I am bit more comfortable with the push-pull technique now. Thanks once again. Bala.
Thank you for explaining all three in a really quick way.
Absolutely fantastic video. Thank you good sir.
Asiento. Directo al grano. Breve. Directo. I like it!!
Going to see you play at Jones Beach tonight. Can't wait to see you play in person!!!
Clear explanation.jojo mayer technics.will try soon.many thanks
this tim hortons wifi is bullshit
Great lesson. Well done.
Excellent demonstration one seems to be single stroke roll and other the push pull
Yeah, finaly i get it. Digging up! Thanks
I own a guitar and after 2 hours of guitar videos I ended up here... good video though.
FINALLY a video on this concept that doesn't involve "so I kind flick my hand all weird off to the side..." like wtf? No it's a rebound stroke with a finger controlled 2nd hit as you raise your wrist. So many really wacky, breaks all the other technique you normally use, methods out there. This is the way to do it.
I tried to find someone teaching this significantly different from me a few months ago. I couldn’t find anyone who wasn’t saying what I’m saying. Maybe less clearly, but this is the prevailing opinion.
Great explanation! :)
Good video. Thanks.
Finally a video that shows it fast not after 15 min of talk 😂😂😂
My left hand struggles really bad with keeping up with my right in this technique.
I can play push pull slow, but when I try to do it fast it feels like I’m trying to do doubles and failing. Hopefully it gets better with more practice. I just gotta keep repping it slow
Super helpful!
Thank you!
Fuck man I wish I could show someone my left hand. I genuinely have no idea what my issue is. Appreciate the tutorial man, coming back to this video after a year to relearn this technique
holy shit this is so helpful
Hi Ryan, I have a question, I am Bala and am practising various techniques on the Alesis Nitro Pro set. I am asking this question since I am visually impaired and not able to get the visuals. Do we play with the butt of the stick when we pull the stick in the push-pull technique? Awaiting your reply. Thanks in advance for your reply.
Hi, I never expected that people wouldn’t be able to see my hand so sorry about that. I guess it isn’t clear from my verbal description. To answer your question, no, you play both halves with the tip of the stick from the normal playing position. In this technique you are simply opening your hand after the first note and closing your hand to create the second. The opening allows for a large rebound and the closing gives you a second note with no second wrist motion.
Can the push pull be used in the left hand using the traditional grip? If so, please demonstrate that.
tipofelice yes it can. Jojo Mayer does that a lot. I’ll see about demonstrating it. I’m not a traditional grip master but I can kind of do it.
I thought about it and that is a good idea for a video. I filmed it, its in the queue. it'll come out in a couple weeks I think.
100/10 video
Thanks for this lesson. I still don't know if I am doing this correctly or not. Is it normal for this to start out as a push/pull and then as it speeds up, mine seems to become more of a pull/push or "snap/drop, snap/drop". Appreciate your time, thanks...
That’s sounds fine to me. There are a few variations of this idea and people argue over what to call it, but the principle is the same. Everything always changes a little bit from the slow version to the fast version. Very few technical aspects of playing work equally at all speeds.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom Appreciate the response, thank you. To truly get this going fast, it must take a lot of conditioning of the forearm muscles no? There's a drummer on here his name is Ramon Mantagner who plays this at ridiculous speeds. Shows him using his thumb on top of the stick, wonder if that makes a difference?
@@peacefulbliss1 I don't know about the thumb, but it does take some practice to use this very quickly. I don't think its muscle so much as timing.
Hi, is this basically the same as the "open/close' technique? Looks really nice. I have been working on Moeller and finger control for some time now. I was always taught to "pinch" the fulcrum of the stick between the 1st joint of the index finger and the thumb. Recently, I discovered a video by Gordy Knudtson that shows the open/closed technique. It looks like he is back on the second index finger joint and a looser grip. I think Dave Weckl is using this grip now.
Plydrms Ive never heard anyone call it that, but after watching another video on it, this is the same thing as open/close. Exactly the same. You should generally get used to using any number of joints or fingers as the fulcrum. Many people play with a middle finger fulcrum, completely taking the index finger out of the loop altogether, it seems illogical, but it works. I can easily alternate between a first knuckle and second knuckle index finger fulcrum and I frequently change between them based on what technique/rhythm/tempo/drum I'm playing at the moment. I wouldn't get stuck on any particular grip or fulcrum. If you can play a number of ways correctly, you'll find the one you need for any given situation and be very versatile.
I'm really struggling trying to replicate the push stroke after recovering from the pull stroke without there being a pause. It feels weird and impossible
That is the hardest part. I can link them together but not very fast. I mainly use this for alternating double strokes between my hands.
i've been trying this for months very slow , but can't do it faster, any advice?
It’s not all or nothing. You can blend this with other techniques and just let your fingers help out some. Also, use a metronome and push yourself incrementally. It’s also not that easy… after many years I’m not as good as Jojo Mayer for instance.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom thanks, when playing slow it’s only my fingers that cause the second hit, but when I play faster my fingers can’t help…
Short and to the point ty, after doing it for weeks I was wondering if people did it in both german and french grips.
But, what's the point really? It seems like a lot of wasted energy. I can blast faster with german or french grip than I can push pull double, yet I see people do these push pull rolls that seem impossible. I just can't get them faster for some reason, or maybe it takes years? I've only done hand techniques on a drum pad for a couple months.
Most people can use this to some extent to play faster blasts or faster cleaner double stroke rolls or tighter shuffles… there are a variety of uses. But you have to actually be good at it.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom ..ok
is it the same with open close technique? looks the same though
I did a poll and 69% of drummers think they’re the same thing. That means 31% think they’re not. Although, if you watch any number of RUclips vids on either one it sure does look the same in most of them.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom thanks for the insight
You don’t really have to show this in slow Mo just do it in real time, but just do it SLOWLY! Makes sense to some friendly advice from someone who’s been utilizing this technique since 1981 courtesy of FRED GRUBER my teacher
I can do it super slow in real life… but I had just gotten a phone with a high speed camera at this point, so that’s what you get in this video.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom : sounds good to me Ryan! Keep swinging
How do you get this really fast?
snoort Boort practicing. The same way you get anything fast. Use a metronome and incrementally increase the tempo over time.
i didn't know this was called this I've been doing a combination of this with lifting wrist like molar technique i thought that was how people blasted without using the rim but think ive been trying to do push pull blasts
Hard for people learning this technique to evaluate if this is one of the good videos or not, but a example where you play it really fast would certainly help.
I don’t think playing really fast helps anyone learn anything. I have other videos on my channel where I use this to play much faster, though.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom
As we can't evaluate a technique we don't have or know, we have to evaluate the result. Not to learn, just to figure out if this is a good technique to learn or not.
That’s entirely up to you. If you don’t know about it and don’t know if you want to learn it then they sounds like a personal issue. I’m just here to show you how it works if you do want it.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom What I'm trying to say is that you don't show us that the technique works. You show it how you do it when playing really slow.
I was hoping it would come across as a tip for future videos.
Nice thx ! You might wanna use a deesser on your voice parts :)
Thanks
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I haven't seen anyone ever use the 'gravity technique' except when explaining it.
Vladimir Poutine johnny rabb is best known for it, he calls it freehand. Just watch him play almost anything and he will use it. Also it’s common in grind and fast death metal. It’s not particularly loud, so it’s kind of weird to use for blasting, but none the less people do. It’s maybe the least common technique in drumming though. Lots of people know it, but hardly ever see a reason for it.
I had a quick question, if you faster won't it sound like a One Handed Double Stroke Roll?Yeah right?
Yeah you can play pretty fast one-handed with these if you work at it.
+Ryan Alexander Bloom I'm curious...I'm not that familiar with this technique, but what is the purpose of it and i don't know if there's a main way of playing it is used for
+Brenda November Sorry I meant where can it be applied, but I get the understanding of where..I went to a forum
+Brenda November But....Wouldn't it be hard trying to get the sound of a Single Stroke Rolls vs. trying to get the sound of a One Handed Double Stroke Rolls?
+Brenda November Idk if it would sound more like the single handef double stroke rolls if i was trying to do the single stroke rolls
can you do a tutorial on bass sixtenths?
I probably could… but you know you take lessons in person right? You get better tutorials in real life.
I know
Hey Ryan, I've featured your video in a blog post about double strokes here (thank you): learndrumsforfree.com/drum-lessons/reading-buzz-rolls-and-double-stroke-markings
TL Music Lessons cool! That’s awesome. Hopefully some readers find it interesting.
Weri gud
Do it at 300 bpm
Would using the push-pull with french grip at faster speeds be harmful to your arms or wrists? About 230 bpm is what I had in mind. I've heard some conflicting info and would like to get as many opinions as I can.
I don't see why it would be any more harmful than anything else. It doesn't appear to put any excess strain on any parts of my hands when I do it. You are just opening and closing your fingers. I don't think that is inherently damaging.
I had heard some people say that it goes against the mechanics of the wrist, or that the wrist is put in an odd position and doesn't work well in said position after long term use. But a lot of people seem to use it.
Other than a bit of arm movement, its not very different from the basic french stroke. Maybe there is a way of doing it that is bad for you, but the way I do it really doesn't use much wrist at all. Its all finger and arm.
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Push-pull technique
vernon freeman thats what its called.
This is not good because he's not using the rebound from the pad
That is actually exactly why it is good. Go check out Yoni Madar. The whole purpose is to be able to play really fast on any given surface. Especially low tuned floor times.
i just watch buddy rich.
People have often speculated about his technique. He plays so fast that often its hard to tell. Many have postulated a version of push pull as his main way to play fast. Most people focus on his left hand technique in videos, though, and that is completely different because of the traditional grip.
German grip? French grip? This is strange.
German and French grips are standard terminology (at least in North America, don't know where you are from) and this push-pull technique is pretty well known, but some people find it hard to figure out. Let me know what exactly you find strange and I can help you out a little bit.
I Think He Copy The Push And pull Technique Of Matt macguire??
maybe learn to do it first before trying to explain it
Fun fact, I use this every day in my practical playing and I’ve taught it to innumerable students in real life. I think I can do it.
Fuckin' hell dude EQ the high-end frequencies off of your voice, holy shit. The high-pitch whistle in your voice nearly blew my eardrums out. Unwatchable
Thank you!