Earlier this week, my apartment building’s fire alarm went off at 8:30 AM. I thought it was an actual emergency. I called 911. I happened to see an alarm company person telling me he was testing the alarms. None of us residents got ANY prior notice of any scheduled tests. I contacted the local fire captain. He was quite disturbed by the lack of prior communication. Advance notice is required by city code regarding any scheduled fire alarm testing where I live. Evidently, no one from the alarm company notified the property management of any scheduled tests.
I've only had real ones💀💀💀 I wish I could say I was joking. I don't like to talk about it Too much. I'm just glad I got in this Hobby because it's probably the only thing that saves my But.
SAMMEEEE!!! imagine just having a normal day in your house and then the fire alarm goes off, you fix the problem while your family “evacuates” that would just be so fun.
Hey nic I know that this may or may have not frustrated you I hope you resolve the problem and make more cool videos keep up the good work! But it was funny when you were trying to open the door then said thank you made me smile!
Nice video! Although, working as an irrigation tech I can explain the backflow situation. A backflow is required not for rust, but bacteria that grows in a stagnant section of pipe. Whether it is copper, pvc, galvanized, or PEX - bacteria will grow in any section of pipe where water is not constantly flowing. Should you ever loose house pressure or city pressure, you risk the bacteria ridden water getting into your potable water supply, or worse yet, your neighbors. I have thought about adding something like what you have for my house. I would use the concepts that the uponor PEX sprinkler system follows to eliminate the backflow requirement. Tie the toilet into the end of your sprinkler lateral. Every time you flush, fresh water flows into your pipes and flushes them. Then, set an alarm verification delay on your panel to accommodate how the length of time your toilet takes to refill plus some to be safe. At the end of the day, this is not something I suggest simply to “satisfy” the requirements. This is for your safety, you can get really, REALLY sick if you don’t do this step right or again, even worse, your neighbors. And don’t even get me started on the brain eating amoebas that can thrive in stagnant water lines. Edit: I saw your comment about asking a plumber. If that plumber would suggest that in my neck of the woods they would face MAJOR fines and possibly lose their license. Backflow requirements are absolutely no joke and not one of those “what they don’t know won’t hurt them” situations because yes, what they don’t know CAN hurt them!!!
I do agree with what you're saying which is why the system is flushed monthly I do have a question though not to argue as I do understand what you were saying but I am wondering how it differs from abandoned dead ended sections of plumbing that are still connected to the supply with no backflow I don't see how that differs?
@@nics-systems-electric Leaving a long dead run of pipe is also against code in most areas for this same reason. General rule of thumb iirc is 12” or less of dead pipe is acceptable. Anything longer needs to be permanently capped off due to the health hazard of water that will go stagnant in the pipe.
@@BLS2008 here where I am in Canada I have definitely seen longer runs than that left I always thought that's why the water was treated and chlorinated to prevent growth of bacteria
@@nics-systems-electric Generally the amount of chlorine in drinking water is very, very low. It’s enough to keep the bacteria down under normal circumstances but it also dissipates/gets used up fairly quickly once it leaves your tap, or if stuck in a section of dead-end pipe. I also have seen this in practice here from time to time, but I think that comes down to homeowners doing their own plumbing work or perhaps pure ignorance on the plumbers behalf. Again the general notion of “what they don’t know won’t hurt them” but water contamination/cross connection control is one code that really should be followed with no exceptions. As long as you stay diligent on keeping the water in your pipes flushed you should be just fine. But tread with caution, and perhaps try to find another solution that doesn’t require such diligence.
@@BLS2008 the problem is for me that I can't afford to lose any more flow I Purchased a few months back a three-quarter inch shark bite check valve thinking that I could put it on the three-quarter inch pipe section on the half-inch line and maybe it wouldn't cause too much reduction in flow however I'm still worried that it will
I have to have my flow switches set to almost maximum time delay. At my building the PSI jumps from 75 to 88 and even 91. Does your flow switch have the wheel in it with settings it would of not made much of a difference here but just wondering. I love your system !
ah, so it wasnt the lack of water in the system but the flow back into it. do you have an alarm or warning if the pressure is low in the system?, might be worth thinking about that too, might save the day if the system doesnt have pressure when its needed
I know you said you were unlikely to ever change the system, but have you thought of replacing the alarms with Eaton’s Eluxa line to get fire and CO in one signal? I’m also pretty sure that the current LED strobes you have are no longer listed (at least for UL, not sure about ULC) due to their long flash duration.
@@nics-systems-electric that’s understandable. On a related note, I do wonder if System Sensor’s next line of alarms will be able to do both T3 and T4 depending on the input signal, or if Eaton has trademarked that
@@nics-systems-electric yeah, I’m surprised they haven’t done that. Eaton (and thus Siemens), Mircom, and Carrier (Edwards, Kidde, etc.) have done that, Simplex offers both LED and xenon for their ES line of signals. It’s probably gonna be at least 2030 before xenon is completely replaced by LED, with the exception of outdoor devices
Just put a single check in instead of the double check backflow preventer. That water would probably still get yucky after sitting in the pipe for a while.
01:17 You don't even need an access control fob to scan to get in as your fire alarm system is supposed to unlock the lock of the front entrance door of the garage
Usually it's fine to turn off sprinkler valves as there would be backflow preventers so nothing should happen when you turn off a valve it's just if you are refilling a system and you have to make sure the flow switch is bypassed
I have several things to say For 1 How is there Not any snow You live in Canada but that's Is North of the United States🤔🤔. For 2 Why don't you just get a 1" check valve and a 1/2" copper Adapter Two 1". Or you can even do it with 3/4" And Four 3 Because I notice everything I've noticed that you've installed a Industrial light fixture On your Generator room.
Snow melts away doesn't stay forever and yes there is a red light fixture and I'm still not sure about check valve as I don't want to decrease flow any because no matter what size pipe it's still a spring loaded flap
hey Nic, you should create a video that you put a fire sprinkler alarm so if the sprinklers activated the sprinkler alarm will activate. is it smart or not?
I think it was that kid who pulled it and having false alarms false alarms are not good for kids to mess with or not pulling with that's why I don't pull it because if it was me I would do that but I stay out of that.
@@nics-systems-electric wait a minute now I told myself that my story my explanation is this when I was a dark-skinned child at school in 2018 aren't you happy
Earlier this week, my apartment building’s fire alarm went off at 8:30 AM.
I thought it was an actual emergency. I called 911. I happened to see an alarm company person telling me he was testing the alarms. None of us residents got ANY prior notice of any scheduled tests.
I contacted the local fire captain. He was quite disturbed by the lack of prior communication. Advance notice is required by city code regarding any scheduled fire alarm testing where I live.
Evidently, no one from the alarm company notified the property management of any scheduled tests.
Oh 😢
I like having false alarms because it gets me from not being board. I have never had one yet though!
I've only had real ones💀💀💀 I wish I could say I was joking. I don't like to talk about it Too much. I'm just glad I got in this Hobby because it's probably the only thing that saves my But.
SAMMEEEE!!! imagine just having a normal day in your house and then the fire alarm goes off, you fix the problem while your family “evacuates” that would just be so fun.
Put in a check valve..
The security cam footage is so loud omg
Oh my God oh my God oh my God.
Well things happen another great video keep up the good work
Hey nic I know that this may or may have not frustrated you I hope you resolve the problem and make more cool videos keep up the good work! But it was funny when you were trying to open the door then said thank you made me smile!
Fouls alarm.😮😮😮
Waterflow Delay on the 9200UDLS is under
System Setup->Timers
I could be wrong but I think you would have to have the zone set to water flow for the timer to apply
Nice video! Although, working as an irrigation tech I can explain the backflow situation. A backflow is required not for rust, but bacteria that grows in a stagnant section of pipe. Whether it is copper, pvc, galvanized, or PEX - bacteria will grow in any section of pipe where water is not constantly flowing. Should you ever loose house pressure or city pressure, you risk the bacteria ridden water getting into your potable water supply, or worse yet, your neighbors.
I have thought about adding something like what you have for my house. I would use the concepts that the uponor PEX sprinkler system follows to eliminate the backflow requirement. Tie the toilet into the end of your sprinkler lateral. Every time you flush, fresh water flows into your pipes and flushes them. Then, set an alarm verification delay on your panel to accommodate how the length of time your toilet takes to refill plus some to be safe.
At the end of the day, this is not something I suggest simply to “satisfy” the requirements. This is for your safety, you can get really, REALLY sick if you don’t do this step right or again, even worse, your neighbors. And don’t even get me started on the brain eating amoebas that can thrive in stagnant water lines.
Edit: I saw your comment about asking a plumber. If that plumber would suggest that in my neck of the woods they would face MAJOR fines and possibly lose their license. Backflow requirements are absolutely no joke and not one of those “what they don’t know won’t hurt them” situations because yes, what they don’t know CAN hurt them!!!
I do agree with what you're saying which is why the system is flushed monthly I do have a question though not to argue as I do understand what you were saying but I am wondering how it differs from abandoned dead ended sections of plumbing that are still connected to the supply with no backflow I don't see how that differs?
@@nics-systems-electric Leaving a long dead run of pipe is also against code in most areas for this same reason. General rule of thumb iirc is 12” or less of dead pipe is acceptable. Anything longer needs to be permanently capped off due to the health hazard of water that will go stagnant in the pipe.
@@BLS2008 here where I am in Canada I have definitely seen longer runs than that left I always thought that's why the water was treated and chlorinated to prevent growth of bacteria
@@nics-systems-electric Generally the amount of chlorine in drinking water is very, very low. It’s enough to keep the bacteria down under normal circumstances but it also dissipates/gets used up fairly quickly once it leaves your tap, or if stuck in a section of dead-end pipe. I also have seen this in practice here from time to time, but I think that comes down to homeowners doing their own plumbing work or perhaps pure ignorance on the plumbers behalf. Again the general notion of “what they don’t know won’t hurt them” but water contamination/cross connection control is one code that really should be followed with no exceptions.
As long as you stay diligent on keeping the water in your pipes flushed you should be just fine. But tread with caution, and perhaps try to find another solution that doesn’t require such diligence.
@@BLS2008 the problem is for me that I can't afford to lose any more flow I Purchased a few months back a three-quarter inch shark bite check valve thinking that I could put it on the three-quarter inch pipe section on the half-inch line and maybe it wouldn't cause too much reduction in flow however I'm still worried that it will
I have to have my flow switches set to almost maximum time delay. At my building the PSI jumps from 75 to 88 and even 91. Does your flow switch have the wheel in it with settings it would of not made much of a difference here but just wondering. I love your system !
0:07 satisfying footage. Btw my wireless camera’s speaker that we talk through got fried a few days ago. We had it for like almost 3 years so yeah.
The Hotel Smoke burnt around 10AM on Easter Day!
0:13 bro 💀
5:48 Cute dog
Are you able to add a time delay on the paddle flow switch? This may help since your garage system is small and would pressurize fast
Possibly a electronic delay but not on the flow it doesn't have adjustable activation so I couldn't do anything
ah, so it wasnt the lack of water in the system but the flow back into it.
do you have an alarm or warning if the pressure is low in the system?,
might be worth thinking about that too, might save the day if the system doesnt have pressure when its needed
Completely unexpected 😛
I know you said you were unlikely to ever change the system, but have you thought of replacing the alarms with Eaton’s Eluxa line to get fire and CO in one signal? I’m also pretty sure that the current LED strobes you have are no longer listed (at least for UL, not sure about ULC) due to their long flash duration.
I like system sensor and keeping it separate as it's already wired separately so I would have to move things around
@@nics-systems-electric that’s understandable. On a related note, I do wonder if System Sensor’s next line of alarms will be able to do both T3 and T4 depending on the input signal, or if Eaton has trademarked that
@@HenBasketFireAlarms that would be nice to see I also wonder if they will switch to LED over xenon strobes
@@nics-systems-electric That would be pretty neat.
@@nics-systems-electric yeah, I’m surprised they haven’t done that. Eaton (and thus Siemens), Mircom, and Carrier (Edwards, Kidde, etc.) have done that, Simplex offers both LED and xenon for their ES line of signals. It’s probably gonna be at least 2030 before xenon is completely replaced by LED, with the exception of outdoor devices
Just put a single check in instead of the double check backflow preventer. That water would probably still get yucky after sitting in the pipe for a while.
I was originally going to but I asked a plumber who said don't bother as it would restrict the flow more and it's just copper pipes so it's fine
01:17 You don't even need an access control fob to scan to get in as your fire alarm system is supposed to unlock the lock of the front entrance door of the garage
Yes I do otherwise I'm locked out the fire alarm system has not unlocked the access control for the last six months or so maybe longer
@@nics-systems-electric Where do you get your electrical wiring from? (Backboxes, etc,)
Just add a check valve. No need for Backflow Preventer
Possibly I was just recommended not to because of it limiting flow rate so I'm not sure
This is why sprinkler valves shouldn’t be turned off
Usually it's fine to turn off sprinkler valves as there would be backflow preventers so nothing should happen when you turn off a valve it's just if you are refilling a system and you have to make sure the flow switch is bypassed
Bet those dogs didn't like the sound
At 6:04 for some reason it kinda sounds like a spectralert classic
Luckily thats not programed to call the fire dept., and also good thing that nothing was on fire 🔥
True it would be good to have something that would let me know though
I wish to have a fire alarm system in my house.
Flush mounted.
😎
I have several things to say For 1 How is there Not any snow You live in Canada but that's Is North of the United States🤔🤔. For 2 Why don't you just get a 1" check valve and a 1/2" copper Adapter Two 1". Or you can even do it with 3/4" And Four 3 Because I notice everything I've noticed that you've installed a Industrial light fixture On your Generator room.
Snow melts away doesn't stay forever and yes there is a red light fixture and I'm still not sure about check valve as I don't want to decrease flow any because no matter what size pipe it's still a spring loaded flap
Good morning
Doesnt all the doors unlock when the fire alarm goes off? I saw you fumbling around for the fob to work and wondered.
It used to but not for about 6 months
hey Nic, you should create a video that you put a fire sprinkler alarm so if the sprinklers activated the sprinkler alarm will activate. is it smart or not?
We don't do separate sprinkler alarms here just sets off the normal fire alarm
@@nics-systems-electric oh all right thank you 😊
Mini Fire Nearby Devonshire Recreation Club
Ok
I have a question- how do you have a system that gives you phone notifiications in case of fire?
Power loss detector and I have it powered off the panels auxiliary power ran through the alarm relay i've got some videos on installing that
@@nics-systems-electric Cool!
I think it was that kid who pulled it and having false alarms false alarms are not good for kids to mess with or not pulling with that's why I don't pull it because if it was me I would do that but I stay out of that.
Definitely not a kid pulling it lol. you should probably watch the video for the explanation
@@nics-systems-electric wait a minute now I told myself that my story my explanation is this when I was a dark-skinned child at school in 2018 aren't you happy
Maybe it drip somewhere or the water go back
Rato me gusta 👍
May I ask, why aren’t there any audible devices on the outside
Because he lives in a residential area
To not disturb the neighbourhood.
Woah at your house do your neighbors get mad
No our neighbours are all chill
Man how often does this happen?
Once.
How did you make it so that when the fire alarm goes off, you get a email
I have a video about it that will show how
@@nics-systems-electric thanks
NOT GOOD.
Why is it keep on going off?
It went off one time?
emergncy fire alarm off