As an AV engineer it’s great seeing how other modular systems are put together and logic/programming behind it all. Thanks for these interesting videos!
@@nics-systems-electricNic I love your vids bro you are so good and talented and I love ur vids bro you should have like 200 million subs for the info 😊 thanks bro I would love to meet u but I’m in the USA
The hate is crazy. People can't mind their own damn business. Just because us individuals enjoy electronics and fire notification systems doesn't mean we're any different from other members of society. The entire problem with this generation is that we're too concerned with what others are doing and attacking them for it, instead of living a life worth living. You've done excellent work and one day, I would love to accomplish everything you've done. I mean, an entire house Life Safety System, you rock man. Way more in depth than my plywood board that, while following the fire code, is too small for my ambitions. Thank you for the amazing content, stay safe brother. ✊
We had a setup at one of our radio sites that was two systems that put each other into alarm. It was the biggest PITA on earth... you had to have two people to clear it, as the reset buttons had to be pushed at the same time or you'd go around again... I enjoyed ripping that link out!
Yes exactly this is what I'm trying to tell people that anytime you reset it has to be coordinated with two people otherwise the cycle will repeat itself of going into alarm
Nice video, as always. By the way, I noticed throughout a lot of your videos that when you test fire alarms, you don't wear ear protection. I was just wondering why you don't, because obviously, fire alarms are loud and if you're around them for a long period of time, it could cause some hearing damage. I've expierienced that myself, and it's not fun.
mainly because he actually sets the volumes to where they're loud enough to be heard but not loud enough to cause hearing damage same with the schools they set them loud enough to be heard but not so loud that they're painful
11:15 The out of sync effect of the alarms from two separate systems sounds cool as they can't activate at the same time and that for a building's networked system would have booster panels connected to each other and programmed to be connected to all systems that would follow the sync so that every networked system node has their devices synced using the system's sync protocol and booster panels all connected into each other
At my school, nothing that isn't new is all out of sync with strobes and horns so you hear a mix of temp 3, constant, and slow pulse. It just sounds like if someone put together alarms they found and played them at different times.
this is similar to how I have my fire alarm and fire/security combo panel set up, the fire alarm panel will trip a full alarm on the combo panel, but the combo panel will only trip a supervisory on the fire panel, since the combo panel already covers the entire house and my fire panel is only there as a hobby system
While I was watching one of your videos the other day. I was just thinking about what would happen if both systems went off at the same time. Great video!
Yo nick that was amazing how you set off both of the alarms from your garage and your house at the same time. That was an amazing video. It was awesome and I loved it. ❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉
I think the reason why there is that kind of perceived hate is because people would say these kinds of systems should strictly belong to commercial premises, they may also argue for what they think is a better alternative. The whole point to their arguments is that they believe that the factor of cost should supersede every rationale in designing a life safety system and that, furthermore, the ideal is to engineer a setup that is as cheap as possible (as the absolute number one priority) while maintaining code compliance, and be as simple as humanly possible. Hence that's why I think there are so many criticisms of your setup. Now, this comment isn't meant to instill hate, it's only meant to be transparent about what I think the rationale of some of your critics are. As a DIY systems integrator, DIY system admin, programmer, developer, and designer, I personally admire and take inspiration from your projects and for me to want to build a similar system in my parent's house is actually something I also wanted to do for years. So, without making it any more long winded, keep up the work! You will go very far.
The criticism is different if it's pointing out alternatives or just disagreeing it just doesn't make sense to me when people will call you a fucking idiot and be upset with you personally because of it I can't make sense of lol
Hey Nic, great explanation of why you don't normally have them set up to put each other in alarm. I was wondering, if they were left monitoring each other, what would be required to sync the 2 alarms properly? Can it even be done with panels from different brands (although I know both brands are both owned by Honeywell)?
It cannot be synced if they are only activating each other with monitoring of a relay the panel in the garage is not one that can be networked however the one in the house can be to a compatible panel that would give you sync
13:41 Thats what I hate. When the garage panel resets and the house is still going after its done resetting, itll go back into alarm. Wish that honeywell could make a feature where if you reset or silence the house or garage panel itll do the same thing for the other system where it silences like the other panel does to. Even when resetting that panel that got tripped and sent into alarm can also reset the panel in the house or garage too.
It isn't set as an alarm this was just a demonstration. The building B tie-in disable button only disable the garage from activating the house the relay bypass would stop the house from activating the garage
I am surprised you don't have the notifications for your fire alarms set to bypass your phone's Do Not Distrub. I would be doing that if I were in your shoes 😃
You can't it sent from a different phone number each time and from the email side I don't know if I can let specific email addresses come through haven't looked into it
I swear, if the house was actually on fire, she would burn alive. Shes like: "If all the other ones were false alarms, than this one is a false alarm too!" but in reality: 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I don't know if this is a dumb question, but couldn't you add a relay to disable tie-ins from other panels and seperate the systems for resetting? I feel like there is probably a reasson why this isn't done but i would love to hear why.
I'm assuming you mean to use them like a switch to isolate each system doing that would isolate them from setting each other off but it would also be a manual toggle which would have to be remembered to turn back on it would also put the systems into trouble as you would open up the circuit
@nics-systems-electric That make sense, but I guess if your already in that situation it would probably still be easier that running around trying to beat the reset.
Woudn't you use the disable bulilding b tie-in on the main house system before it goes off would stop it going into alarm if it was set up to set both into alarm? It would stop the loop of setting each other off I think.
You don't usually know when the fire alarm is going to go off. I have it set up for supervisory and that's how I want it I do not want the systems putting each other into alarm.
Kind of getting what u r explaining. In ur setup the garage system only causes a supervisory on house system, and it is non latching. So what u did after all systems in alarm only caused a supervisory on house system and can be cleared later when garage system is reset. The problematic case is that both system can put each other into full alarm. This will need 2 people to work the system and reset at same time. Else it is endless loop of alarms.
I saw when you were re-programming your house monitor module back to supervisory AR that there was an option for programming to a tornado alert, which I had never thought about for a fire alarm system. Do you know anything on that? (Also, love your videos!)
It would just be an easy way to label monitor modules and program outputs and control modules relay modules to the same thing for specific alarms and functions I've never personally seen it used as they are not a risk where I am
Hi Nic,I just got a simenes fc922 out of a dumpster and I turned it on I have 14,000 troubles on it and is said WOW Have you ever worked with these panels If you want I could send you pictures of it and I could maybe send it out to you and you could look at it.Please let me know 😀.Do you know if I call simenes will they give me the info to factory reset it?
got a question.... do you have a video or any recommendations of videos on how to tie a bell and a pull station together.... but not connected to a wall.... soon me n my uncle want to try to wire it up.... it is the same pull station u have but the key hole is clear and there is not that white thing.... and the bell is a 4" i found on amazon.... so i want to tie it together without a panel as a demonstration board basically
How old is that dog? I ask because if the dog is getting complacent and apathy towards the alarm and the dog never used to, that could be a concern. A dog having no concern for alarms but used to bark at the alarm before and now is not, that could be a tell tale sign that the dog is on his way out. I had a Morkie (half Maltese and half Yorkie) who she used to bark like mad when I would test alarms. Right before she passed away, she started becoming complacent. How old is your dog?
The dog that doesn't like fire alarms is 14 we think he's probably on the way out but Ayla the German Shepherd is six and has always been relaxed and never cared
@@nics-systems-electricHas that dog who does not like alarms been showing signs of complacency or apathy towards the alarms? If so, that is a sign. Princess did that too. She used to hate alarms and she would bark when the alarm sounded but towards the end, she would just lay around when the alarms went off. Then one day, she went into distress and couldn't recover. She dropped right in front of my mom's shower.
I guess US systems are cooler because hearing mixed signals in a hotel got me into the hobby of fire alarms. Too bad it's illegal where you are. That's a problem because if thee is s system of bells and one bell dies, you should be able to put a single horn/strobe in place, but no you have to replace the whole system.
Replace the whole system? Not at all you just replace the failed device. It's not a bad thing, it's a good thing you don't want a fire alarm system to be confusing. Your devices should be obvious and not disorientating during an emergency.
@@nics-systems-electric Just replace the failed device? what if the failed one along with all the others are discontined? Wouldn't the replacement device on its own cause mixed signals in that area?
As an AV engineer it’s great seeing how other modular systems are put together and logic/programming behind it all. Thanks for these interesting videos!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@nics-systems-electricNic I love your vids bro you are so good and talented and I love ur vids bro you should have like 200 million subs for the info 😊 thanks bro I would love to meet u but I’m in the USA
Hey bro, how are you?
Best fire alarm channel on RUclips. Educational, entertaining and inspirational. Keep up the good work Nic. Ignor the haters! Charles UK
Thanks a lot I'm glad you're enjoying I appreciate the comment
The hate is crazy. People can't mind their own damn business. Just because us individuals enjoy electronics and fire notification systems doesn't mean we're any different from other members of society. The entire problem with this generation is that we're too concerned with what others are doing and attacking them for it, instead of living a life worth living. You've done excellent work and one day, I would love to accomplish everything you've done. I mean, an entire house Life Safety System, you rock man. Way more in depth than my plywood board that, while following the fire code, is too small for my ambitions. Thank you for the amazing content, stay safe brother. ✊
As a fellow viewer from across the border here in America, your videos are always entertaining!!!! Keep it up Nic
Thanks for watching!
We had a setup at one of our radio sites that was two systems that put each other into alarm. It was the biggest PITA on earth... you had to have two people to clear it, as the reset buttons had to be pushed at the same time or you'd go around again... I enjoyed ripping that link out!
Yes exactly this is what I'm trying to tell people that anytime you reset it has to be coordinated with two people otherwise the cycle will repeat itself of going into alarm
And once again, he delivers right on time.
Nice video, as always. By the way, I noticed throughout a lot of your videos that when you test fire alarms, you don't wear ear protection. I was just wondering why you don't, because obviously, fire alarms are loud and if you're around them for a long period of time, it could cause some hearing damage. I've expierienced that myself, and it's not fun.
mainly because he actually sets the volumes to where they're loud enough to be heard but not loud enough to cause hearing damage same with the schools they set them loud enough to be heard but not so loud that they're painful
My exposure time at the volumes they're at are not harmful usually not exceeding 90 dB which is fine for the amount of time I'm listening to it
Most of the alarms are also Low Frequency Sounders, which to my ears at least are actually quieter than the horns doing their mechanical sound.
@@mbcommandnerd yea but its a fire alarm their still deisgned to be loud unless its a chime or just a strobe
11:15 The out of sync effect of the alarms from two separate systems sounds cool as they can't activate at the same time and that for a building's networked system would have booster panels connected to each other and programmed to be connected to all systems that would follow the sync so that every networked system node has their devices synced using the system's sync protocol and booster panels all connected into each other
At my school, nothing that isn't new is all out of sync with strobes and horns so you hear a mix of temp 3, constant, and slow pulse. It just sounds like if someone put together alarms they found and played them at different times.
Really awesome to see the notifier and fire lite systems go off at once. (Including the Suprvisory chime strobe.) Also i love your dog's btw!
this is similar to how I have my fire alarm and fire/security combo panel set up, the fire alarm panel will trip a full alarm on the combo panel, but the combo panel will only trip a supervisory on the fire panel, since the combo panel already covers the entire house and my fire panel is only there as a hobby system
You are the absolute best hello from Decatur, Indiana USA
this is a cool fire alarm test in both buildings
While I was watching one of your videos the other day. I was just thinking about what would happen if both systems went off at the same time. Great video!
That will be a cool experiment
This is the best fire alarm Chanel
U should do the supervisery for the house whith the chime strobe like the garage
Im.. What? He does have a chime strobe in his house
@@Dawezil i think they meant put a chime strobe in the garage for the house alarm like what they have in the house for the garage alarm
He explained that the piezo on the panel in the garage is loud enough to be heard from all around the building
Lets go Nic's out with another new vid 🤩 Nice video Nic 😊
Yo nick that was amazing how you set off both of the alarms from your garage and your house at the same time. That was an amazing video. It was awesome and I loved it. ❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉
Nice! I see why you have it on supervisory now.
Your dog makes the Best WATCH DOG. Not a peep lol
Thanks to your videos I learned a lot of useful things, thank you very much
You are back with another banger you deserve 99trillion subscribers
I love this channel
W vid as always ❤😊
I think the reason why there is that kind of perceived hate is because people would say these kinds of systems should strictly belong to commercial premises, they may also argue for what they think is a better alternative. The whole point to their arguments is that they believe that the factor of cost should supersede every rationale in designing a life safety system and that, furthermore, the ideal is to engineer a setup that is as cheap as possible (as the absolute number one priority) while maintaining code compliance, and be as simple as humanly possible. Hence that's why I think there are so many criticisms of your setup.
Now, this comment isn't meant to instill hate, it's only meant to be transparent about what I think the rationale of some of your critics are. As a DIY systems integrator, DIY system admin, programmer, developer, and designer, I personally admire and take inspiration from your projects and for me to want to build a similar system in my parent's house is actually something I also wanted to do for years.
So, without making it any more long winded, keep up the work! You will go very far.
The criticism is different if it's pointing out alternatives or just disagreeing it just doesn't make sense to me when people will call you a fucking idiot and be upset with you personally because of it I can't make sense of lol
@@nics-systems-electric Especially dumb kids liking something more even though its stupid and not compliant.
That was a cool video of you setting off both system at the same time do that more often
You finally did it thank you
Good morning nick
Hey Nic, great explanation of why you don't normally have them set up to put each other in alarm. I was wondering, if they were left monitoring each other, what would be required to sync the 2 alarms properly? Can it even be done with panels from different brands (although I know both brands are both owned by Honeywell)?
It cannot be synced if they are only activating each other with monitoring of a relay the panel in the garage is not one that can be networked however the one in the house can be to a compatible panel that would give you sync
Ayla: "I ain't moving 'till you get the cookie..." :-)
Any updates on the quickstart unit? I still want to potentially buy it.
Nice test
Great Video as always! Keep up the good work!
Thank you
13:41 Thats what I hate. When the garage panel resets and the house is still going after its done resetting, itll go back into alarm. Wish that honeywell could make a feature where if you reset or silence the house or garage panel itll do the same thing for the other system where it silences like the other panel does to. Even when resetting that panel that got tripped and sent into alarm can also reset the panel in the house or garage too.
Thank god you have uploaded😊
Hey , if you just disabled the garage alarm from the main house wouldn’t that not put it in alarm and Vice versa
It isn't set as an alarm this was just a demonstration. The building B tie-in disable button only disable the garage from activating the house the relay bypass would stop the house from activating the garage
I am surprised you don't have the notifications for your fire alarms set to bypass your phone's Do Not Distrub. I would be doing that if I were in your shoes 😃
You can't it sent from a different phone number each time and from the email side I don't know if I can let specific email addresses come through haven't looked into it
@@nics-systems-electricthere might be something wrong with your communicator. I have the same one and it sends from the same number each time
@@CGray1234 well I'm not getting a different one when it works just fine just because it's not the same phone number
Have you thought about putting a tornado alarm in one of the fire alarm systems?
No we don't get tornados
Love this stuff. Yay.
I swear, if the house was actually on fire, she would burn alive. Shes like: "If all the other ones were false alarms, than this one is a false alarm too!" but in reality: 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I don't know what you mean
@@nics-systems-electric He means if it the house is on fire your dog would think it was just one of your videos
@@Max_And_His_Tech if the house was on fire you would rescue your animals and call the fire department
I know I was just explaining what he said because you said I don’t know what you mean
Animals’ lives are more important than a house
"Dad why you scare meee?!?"
Hay Nic quick question what is the cheapest fire alarm panel
Whatever you can find used somewhere you never know what you will find
Bro you better install Gentex Commander 3 Chime Strobe on your garage
I already have a system sensor chime strobe in the house I do not need one in the garage
I don't know if this is a dumb question, but couldn't you add a relay to disable tie-ins from other panels and seperate the systems for resetting? I feel like there is probably a reasson why this isn't done but i would love to hear why.
I'm assuming you mean to use them like a switch to isolate each system doing that would isolate them from setting each other off but it would also be a manual toggle which would have to be remembered to turn back on it would also put the systems into trouble as you would open up the circuit
@nics-systems-electric That make sense, but I guess if your already in that situation it would probably still be easier that running around trying to beat the reset.
Woudn't you use the disable bulilding b tie-in on the main house system before it goes off would stop it going into alarm if it was set up to set both into alarm? It would stop the loop of setting each other off I think.
You don't usually know when the fire alarm is going to go off. I have it set up for supervisory and that's how I want it I do not want the systems putting each other into alarm.
Kind of getting what u r explaining. In ur setup the garage system only causes a supervisory on house system, and it is non latching. So what u did after all systems in alarm only caused a supervisory on house system and can be cleared later when garage system is reset. The problematic case is that both system can put each other into full alarm. This will need 2 people to work the system and reset at same time. Else it is endless loop of alarms.
this might sound stupid and it would make sense why it wouldn't have it but its there a non latching alarm like the non latching supervisory?
There's no such thing as a non-latching alarm
I saw when you were re-programming your house monitor module back to supervisory AR that there was an option for programming to a tornado alert, which I had never thought about for a fire alarm system. Do you know anything on that? (Also, love your videos!)
It would just be an easy way to label monitor modules and program outputs and control modules relay modules to the same thing for specific alarms and functions I've never personally seen it used as they are not a risk where I am
@@nics-systems-electric Ah ok, gotcha. Thanks!
Is it considered mixed signals if spectral classics, spectralert advances, and L series were in 1 system in the same building?
That should be fine as long as they are synced
Put an “Isolate buildings” key switch, you turn that key so they don’t set each other off while you reset them.
That's not something I want I do not want the systems putting each other into alarm
Hi Nic,I just got a simenes fc922 out of a dumpster and I turned it on I have 14,000 troubles on it and is said WOW Have you ever worked with these panels If you want I could send you pictures of it and I could maybe send it out to you and you could look at it.Please let me know 😀.Do you know if I call simenes will they give me the info to factory reset it?
I've never worked on Siemens but I have no idea how you get 14,000 troubles
@@nics-systems-electric I am thinking about selling it to get a brand new panel
How to annoy the fire department two times in a row
Im getting some fire alarms tomorrow i might film a video of them
Would u add a strobe to put outside of your house to notify you that the system is going off if you forget your phone
No strobes outside
got a question.... do you have a video or any recommendations of videos on how to tie a bell and a pull station together.... but not connected to a wall.... soon me n my uncle want to try to wire it up.... it is the same pull station u have but the key hole is clear and there is not that white thing.... and the bell is a 4" i found on amazon.... so i want to tie it together without a panel as a demonstration board basically
You can use batteries and it will be similar to the video I did on doing it with a adaptor
@@nics-systems-electricahh thank you I’ll check it out
Cool! 😎
How old is that dog? I ask because if the dog is getting complacent and apathy towards the alarm and the dog never used to, that could be a concern. A dog having no concern for alarms but used to bark at the alarm before and now is not, that could be a tell tale sign that the dog is on his way out. I had a Morkie (half Maltese and half Yorkie) who she used to bark like mad when I would test alarms. Right before she passed away, she started becoming complacent. How old is your dog?
The dog that doesn't like fire alarms is 14 we think he's probably on the way out but Ayla the German Shepherd is six and has always been relaxed and never cared
@@nics-systems-electricHas that dog who does not like alarms been showing signs of complacency or apathy towards the alarms? If so, that is a sign. Princess did that too. She used to hate alarms and she would bark when the alarm sounded but towards the end, she would just lay around when the alarms went off. Then one day, she went into distress and couldn't recover. She dropped right in front of my mom's shower.
This. Is ,a funny comedy
It sounds like the alarms went off to getther
Ayla is funny. Are your parents going to be able to silence alarms and reset the system after you leave for college or apprentice work away from home?
Yep anyone can silence and reset continuing my apprenticeship does not have me away from home anymore than currently
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What dose the relay shutdown do for the house alarm? @NIC's - Systems & Electric
Fire door let's go furnace shut down and sets off garage system supervisory
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I guess US systems are cooler because hearing mixed signals in a hotel got me into the hobby of fire alarms. Too bad it's illegal where you are. That's a problem because if thee is s system of bells and one bell dies, you should be able to put a single horn/strobe in place, but no you have to replace the whole system.
Replace the whole system? Not at all you just replace the failed device. It's not a bad thing, it's a good thing you don't want a fire alarm system to be confusing. Your devices should be obvious and not disorientating during an emergency.
@@nics-systems-electric Just replace the failed device? what if the failed one along with all the others are discontined? Wouldn't the replacement device on its own cause mixed signals in that area?
@@Alwaysdoinit112 if a bell fails you replace it with another bell
@@nics-systems-electric My school did that to a few of them. There are old Amseco bells mixed with new Wheelock bells.
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do people ever come over to your house and question the fire alarm system? Like family members, technicians, etc.
No it's just people on RUclips that have a problem with it lol
@@nics-systems-electric haha!
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The hvac is the duct air conditioner?
i sent you a pm on insta about mixed signals in a spechific scenario