Real-world supernaked PERFECTION? 2023 Yamaha MT10 UK review
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- The 2023 Yamaha MT10 gets overlooked in most supernaked group tests because it doesn't have 207hp and a crankshaft that's been flushed down the bog in Australia. It does have the best engine of all time (fight me in the comments), a sublime chassis and newfound electronic genius - so is it the best real-world supernaked for those of us without £20,000 to spend? Find out right here.
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Get the SP. The Öhlin active suspension alone is worth £2000. And you get the steel braided brake lines and nicer paintjob as a bonus. Trust me, it`s sublime! (the clutch cable is still in the way when turning on/off ignition but i forgive Yamaha)
Evilspawn, can you please explain about the paint job and braided brake lines. I live in the U.S. and I had looked at the 2023 model which has braided lines and have no idea on the nicer paint job. Paint jobs are all the same except the colors!
@@jsalemi9711 It’s kinda like the R1M color scheme, silver, black and Blue accents. And the engine spoiler/lower fairing that encloses the oil cooler ofcourse, makes it look alot nicer. More premium if you like.
Believe me its one off the most fun bikes to ride out there. 165 hp is enough for the road and enough to be exciting. Ive had 175 hp and even 200hp bikes but this is the most thrilling ride you can have.
Comfort seat is the best initial mod for these, then the Gilles levers from the options list so you can have adjustable levers that also look pretty. I have the tech black model with these and a lot of other extras including a full set of Evotech bobbins everywhere you can fit some, GB racing engine covers, Oberon bar end mirrors, the black Akrapovic silencer (shitting out £1000 to buy it hurt my arse somewhat), Evotech tail tidy to remove that awful gopping tailpiece, Gilles chain adjusters, Yamaha's own rad and oil cooler protectors to black out the front a little along with their side and centre tank pads and there's some smaller LED front indicators on the way as the OEM ones come adrift very easily and it's a total pain in the tits to re-mount them as I've found on two occasions now.
You hit on one of my main peeves from motorcycle manufacturers ..and that’s an option for a comfort seat ? You’d think that because you sit on it they’d sell you the most comfortable seat as standard ..they are knowingly selling you a less comfortable seat which is crazy ..I understand about after market mark ups but for ffs ..
You have to wonder what the manufacturing cost difference is between a comfort seat and a standard seat. $2 of foam? FFS.
Great review don't be apologetic about the rambling, it does that to you. I've had the original for 7 years and although I thought about getting a new one it is as much fun as you can have outside the bedroom, wife agrees as she is more or less permanent on the back. I can't recommend it enough. Tootle around town or get out where you can play. If you have a passenger get an Oxford belt that she can hold on with, then you have no fear of losing her!
Thank you! To be honest we've averaged one pillion ride per year since we had kids so can't be bothered getting any special kit for it... that may change though
“Aural you pervert”. Tim, you never fail to make me laugh here in the mid Pyrenees, keep up the good work sir.
You’ve got me considering an MT now instead of a bigger Duke. Tough call..
I’d love the Superduke, but the insurance is horrific - the Yamaha is less than half the cost for me! Thanks for the kind words, say hi to the Pyrenees for me!
Superb review….that good infact, I went and bought one….cheers
Thanks! I bought one too in the end...
Great commentary, as usual.
You, and other reviewers, seem to have recently warmed to this bike (and maybe even got a bit moist).
p.s. one thing that I really don't like on this bike, and some other bikes although it seems worse on the MT10, is the location of the horn (careful!) - it just looks like it's been stuck on as an afterthought.
Yeah totally agree, it's just so obviously… there! "Hey I'm a horn! Watch me corrode!"
It can be relocated into left air intake without changing wiring.
Great review! Picked up mine Saturday, only done 12 miles and fortunately have a week of nice weather ahead to get some run in miles under my belt and scrub the tyres in etc. £1100 yamaha accessory deal allowed me to ditch the levers for the Gilles adjustable black ones, add slide protection and rad/oil cooler covers and to change some of the res covers and pegs to black billet ones. Some orders already placed with Evotech and Pyramid Plastics to sort tail tidies and covers etc. but most importantly a racefit growler x ordered so I can unleash the sound with a full titanium system once it's run in with a remap to suit.
I know! I feel like I've accidentally stalked you across reddit and the Facebook group haha. Glad you're enjoying it, I've just bought a 2022 SP 2 weeks ago. I'm 200 miles in and loving it.
@@timrodierides the world of new MT10's must be small haha! Sounds lovely mate, enjoy that and roll on the next few days of good weather!
Enjoyed this review. The cross plane crank does produce a distinct sound. Thing is it sounds great also at low revs. Perhaps even better. I would like to see an electrical exhaust opening valve to bring out more of the sound in these legal noise reduction times. Nice to have the induction sound through the tank, though. Fun text blips. BTW, hopefully you'll have the Boxster GT4 RS drive on your other channel. I understand the induction sound is even better than in the Cayman.
I don't know Tim. It is a nice bike. But I recently sold mine. I had a '19 and most recently a '22. The '22 was a nice bike... unless compared to the '19. The '22 looks better, the electronics are better, the barely-open-throttle fueling is better, and it is a fine motorcycle. The problem for me was, when compared to the '19, the excitement is just gone. The electronic neutering with Euro 5 pretty much ruined this bike. The lower gears feel like they have electronic limitations.
The old one would rip off gnarly power wheelies with minimal effort, and bone stock, just pulling away from a gas station the engine sound would turn everyone's head. I loved power wheeling around the cars I was passing. It sounded SO sweet, and had the best goose-bump inducing howl. The current version is not like that at all. It is almost silent. There is some reasonably nice induction noise that the rider can hear, but it is NOTHING like the old bike's sound. Yes it is still fast, but reminded me more of riding a FJR1200 than a traditional hooligan MT bike.
Save up and gat a Superduke R 😂 MT10 is a great bike though.
@@Steve-motorcycles I actually had one and traded it off for the MT10.... quite a machine. Power was really something. But I got rid of it for 3 main reasons: 1st, handle bar ergonomics were "weird". 2nd, the switch gear was the absolute worst of any bike I have ridden or owned (except my Super Adventure R which was equally as bad). 3rd, it had this weird thing on deceleration at about 4,000 RPM where it would open the throttle plates and abruptly lose engine breaking. I think this is some kind of emissions strategy as I noice the new XSR 900 does something similar in the low 3,000 RPM range, though not as bad. In any case it was highly annoying. It was a hoot though when it wasn't pissing me off.
Helpful thanks. What did you buy to replace it?
@@garycampbell7891 I usually own multiple bikes, but in this class (naked) I essentially went from the SDR to the Euro 5 MT10 to a '23 XSR 900 - which I really like.
@@leanit5756 I have not found the issues you mentored. I thought the riding dynamics was spot on. The Gen 3 SDR has got to be my favourite bike. My only niggle is probably a mushy feeling indicator switch but I got used to it after a couple of rides.
I have tested one today. My impressions are: Great engine, but would also shorten the gearing. Bad brakes if compared by BMW or Brembo. Biggest frustration was the fact to to be able to change the power mods when driving + very small screen. So not perfect. If money not a subject I would still take Aprilia Tuono or Surperduke 1290 / 1390 over it. Idk about BMW, never got to ride one yet.
Fair enough but you can change the power modes while riding, just not the overall mode (which doesn’t really matter!). You can change PWR and TCS and slide control on the move, you just need a closed throttle.
I 100% agree with you Tim, spot on review. Open invitation to come to Wales with Matt this week. Short notice I know. Just one thing, get the SP! 😁
still holding out for a tracer 10 gt. Had an OG mt10 now on a tracer 9 and I just think why the heck have they not done that. It would be my ideal bike
Recently test rode one and absolutely loved it, butttt.. i couldn't get over the front end. If anyone knows or fancies fitting a round headlight and wiring it up for a fee. Hit me up. I'd buy the MT10 in a heartbeat.
Iv got the 2017 SP model and it still makes me laugh out loud in my helmet when I open her up!
Enjoy your work and use of language although still as an Australian trying to work out what this means "that's been flushed down the bog in Australia"
cheers
It was a very very weird reference to the Ducati SF V4’s counter-rotating crank and the urban myth that the Coriolis effect means toilet water swirls the opposite way in the southern hemisphere when you flush 😂 now I’ve typed that out I’m not sure I like my brain
@@timrodierides love it, this is exactly the type of thinking that keeps me coming back, not just another motorbike review 👍
Gorilla on your back. Tim please. You should dump the drive ride channels and hit the stand up circuit
You are one funny bastard.
Love your vids
Gee
Good review and good content.
Much appreciated!
I’m really tempted to go and test one, with an idea to buy, as the ride looks perfect, but I’m struggling with the front end looks on all of the super naked bikes……. This one reminds me of a cross between “the fly” and bumblebee from transformers (in a bad way). I know it’s a personal thing, but I can’t see why they keep doing this (ktm, triumph, Ducati streetfighter) as they all seem like they could be so much better.
More than happy to be out voted and to be told I lack taste…..but……
I agree with you,it's as if the designers were all obsessed by Transformers during theis formative years.There are very few current bikes that I consider good looking,& I'm not going to part with my money for something that I consider ugly..
@@markfoster2033 I think if we’re looking at naked bikes, then examples like the current monster and RnineT, and even some of the Japanese classics look much better.
@@markfoster2033Relatively young design team, they probably were obsessed with transformers 😂
@@alanprice9938 I agree,the only Japanese naked that I would pay money for is the Z900RS,the R nine T is the only other naked that I would consider. I thought it was just me,but my mates think that the Z900RD is the best looking / least ugly naked out there.
@@markfoster2033 yeah the Z900RD (I had to check which one that was) is another example of a great looking bike, that looks like a mutated bug head at the front. It’s a weird thing ain’t it.
That is a great Naked. Mt 09, 07, and 10 are the class leaders.
Bennetts recently did a group test and MT07 finished at the bottom of the pile against likes of new Hornet, KTM790 and the new Suzuki Gs8 thing.
@@PDCRed Still a great bike though!
GREAT video, as per usual, Tim!! :) :D What what - "point and squirt mobil"??? Never!! I know I'm biased but this bike has some of the nicest handling I've experienced when cranked over, it's wonderful in the twisties!! The poise, feel and side-grip are IMO second to none for a road bike, and a relatively "cheap" one at that!! It's a Schwarzwald harvesting monster (Voges too ;) :D ) - it's just brilliant at everything, as you now know ;) Comfort seat FTW, I wouldn't even think twice about that!! I'm not a fan of mode 1, because I don't like the fact that when you think you've got loads more throttle (and power) to come, it turns out you're nearly on full throttle already (you feel "robbed" ;) ). I stick with mode 2 for that reason... Tim, have you done any accidental/non-intentional wheelies at speed on it yet... ;) :) :D :D LOVE IT!! :D :D
P.S. My wife (who watches most YT motovloggers by osmosis) says she likes your Nominative determinism... ;) :D
I’ve switched out Tuono mirrors on a few bikes, including my original mt10. Not a suggestion, just an idea for those who want a better choice. Great stuff. 👍🤪🇨🇦
Iv have this bike and love it,the mirrors are awful I might av a look at the tuono mirrors
@@elvisthewart670 I almost forgot. You need thread reversal adapters for one side, right I think. It’s an easy thing, but the yamaha and Aprilia mirrors don’t spin the same way on both sides. 😜
All it needs is the headlight from the xsr900.
Great review.good and honest.not going to lie to you,i just dont like the look of it.looks out of date even though its new.its a great bike by all accounts,but arent they all!
Why is the cruise control limited like that? I find it very useful in town, especially in 30km/h zones, to not go too fast.
I agree I hate when CC is set with a minimal gear like 3rd
Especially now in the UK the around town speeds are 20mph and I use CC at these speeds in my car as its not limited to gear
@@512460 hehe, yea, on my 6 year old BMW it's also not limited. Sounds like a silly arbitrary "safety" limitation. Like how some bikes refuse to remember that you switched ABS or TC off.
love my 22 tech black
my previous bikes were a 09 R1
and a 17 R1
the mt is so much more fun and flingable
only gripe is
your not really getting that full crossplane sound with the cat attached 😂
and its heavily restricted
to be euro 5 compliant
so needs a ecu flash to remove them silly throttle restrictions
other than that shes a keeper
Tech black MT10 brother!!!! (GTA reference) Can't wait to fuck off the 4 cats. But warranty...
リブ付きの棒 great review
It's not a full titanium exhaust, the big hoofing cat box is stainless steel
Good point well made!
I know it as Most extreme elimination challenge
Putting a full cat-less exhaust would make this one of the best sounding bikes of anything available now or ever. It’s nowhere near as beautiful as the SF, but sounds at least as good, if not better.
It's quite a faff on these. There's a couple of cables to remove, a couple of plug in sensor fooling devices to buy and if you want titanium mid section to match the rest of the exhaust then you'd better lube your arse up for a reaming. Then really you need a flash to remove the top speed limiter and to wring out the 20 or so horsepower it still has to give. I've done a displayed 150 on my stock bike. The wind was absolutely mental oriental but I know there's 10-15mph more still in there. To be fair it doesn't sound bad as stock but after owning an MT09 with full race Akra system it's just sooooooo quiet.
@@disaffectedmale I know a guy in Japan with great full titanium exhaust systems, even when none exist in the US, such as the full exhaust I put on my ZX14r. Wonder if Brentuning have an ECU package too. On the faffery, in fairness, it doesn't seem like any more of a faff than any other bike.
Why is the brake fluid reservoir out there in space and tacked on with home DIY bits?
You forgot to mention the £1k of genuine accessories Yamaha are throwing in to sweeten the deal even further.
Seems like a beast. Shame you have to stop for fuel so often!
Perfect bike for a smoker.🚬 Not that I am one. Believe me 120 odd miles of acting the fool on one of these and you appreciate a little stop and a breather.
@@disaffectedmale don't smoke by the pumps 😱😂
agree 100%
nice thumbnail,
zh2 when?
…so the Mrs is gonna buy you a sub £17k naked/super naked (I’m trying to think of a scenario that doesn’t cost the person choosing the bike), which one are you gonna go for. I’m currently tempted to go for a bmw1250 boxer, or RnineT, cos I’m put off by the bug eye front ends on many, but I’m impressionable……so please be careful your answer….. the the multi V4s currently sits in the garage partly because of your review 😃
Get on that SP!!
I'm trying I'm trying! Just need someone to buy my KTM
@@timrodieridesI’ve got £9k and a few loose buttons…..just send me your address
Kinda funny how fast you turned your back on the KTM. This is a naked superbike lol. It has some tech that's great. You're giddy with all the aftermarket parts and joining a new brand. I get that. I also have owned an FZ09 for the last 7 years. To discourage the other brands because you're temporarily excited about the MT10 is a little knobish dude. You'll be tired of this bike in a year too.
I have to disagree with you over the touring screen, I'm 6ft 1 and it's perfect for me, the bikini thing that it comes with is totally crap, much prefer the taller screen 👍👍 still loving the bike, why you'd buy anything more expensive than this mt10 is beyond me... love it (I use to have a 1290 KTM, never again)
What went wrong with the ktm?
I tried a ribbed stick once, the vid is on "only fans"
Where are these for sale at £12.5k? Yamaha UK and my local dealer have them listed at £14,210. They have an £1100 accessories offer but still listed at RRP. Can anyone link where these are £12.5k?
P&H had one for £12500
90° valve stems should be law.
Hard agree. My KTM has them as well it turns out...
nice video, have a mt09 of 2021 new model, is it worth to exchange for mt10? use it for city commuting as well as highway and weekend touring.
Be safe
I had a 2016 MT09 and now have a 2022 MT10. It's a different league. I like it so much I had the MT logo tattooed on my throttle hand. 😁
@@disaffectedmale enjoy it, It's delicious so 4 cilinders, sound, power......drive safely
God bless
It was a toss up between the mt10 or s1000r. I settled on the s1000r. The brakes put me off the mt10.
Agreed im going to pick up a gen 2 s1000r.
Get braided lines, brembos front and rear, ddc (semi active suspension)
Same brake calipers as the 1998 R1.
@@nikos-giorgos serious no way never knew lol that's crazy
@@512460
Yup, on all of their bikes, never designed a new brake caliper ever since.
@@nikos-giorgos thanks I truly learnt something new. Thanks so essentially all these new bikes are just hype and gimmicks with a raised price without changing an old design well mechanically. They just change the astetics and raise the price?
Get the SP
The breaks surely aren’t good!
Oh ya and the mirrors are useless
The brakes are a weak point but I've got used to them on my SP. The mirrors I fixed by putting the ones from the Tracer 7 on - they look the same but are an inch longer so you can see past your elbows!
Pretty smitten i’d say.
The yamaha Mt bikes look amazing parked on a driveway... But the moment someone sits one one it makes them look absolutely daft.
Yours sincerely... Tracer 900gt owner 😅
Really cool bike but it always reminds me of a transformers arse. That front end is hideous.
Well as I'm on holiday in France you can have it in French. "un bâton nervuré"
Sexy!
Nope.
Ok Timmy, I'll add it to mtsv4pp once I sell my 690smcr maybe. Just for you.
The MT might be the ugliest series of motorcycles ever made...
I think you're just repeating what u read on RUclips. I have a 19 model, and in the flesh it's a nice looking bike. Very aggressive looking. No not as sexy as something like the SF, but it's HALF the price!
@@churchofbrap876 It is the ugliest bike available, and I don't need to "repeat what I see on the internet" to say something any rational human being who has seen the bike would say.
@@mrkang4080 I'm staring at mine right now and it looks awesome. Maybe you should try one before u go keyboard warrior on us?
@@churchofbrap876 Wow, so sensitive because you bought a disgusting looking bike, apologies. I've ridden one, and have also owned over 40 motorcycles, so I guess that makes me a keyboard warrior because I... stated the obvious and hurt your feelings?
@@mrkang4080 sorry I triggered you and your 40 bikes 😂. Gonna go ride my ugly bike now and it's gonna be awesome!