Really aprecite you guys featuring such a diverse sampling of groups and styles! This year seems incredibly stacked with outstanding lines and Crown is for sure one of my favorites. Love the rhythmic, dynamic, and expressive challenges throughout the book.
I think it is great to teach this kind of technical approach because these guys will use that much more when they are playing an orchestral or jazz gig on a concert snare or timpani or mallet instrument. So, educationally I think that is excellent. However, cleaning that and getting everyone to play that way while running out there…omg!!! And I totally agree that compared to the other top lines they are not throwing down the flam vocab that I personally love to hear. Great video guys. Thanks.
Really enjoyed the discussion of Mike Jackson's writing style in this one. It's so fascinating to dissect a group's style and what makes it unique/challenging, and I think Mike's work is a really interesting case study in particular. Would love to hear more of that with other groups and writers!
Was Mike writing their book in 2017? That show was my favorite for unique tempo changes / combo. It was just so so smooth on the end / ritard of their first number that year!
As a fan, I really wanna see a Mike Jackson book win something, whether it be indoor or drum corps. I think he has to tone it down JUST A LITTLE to allow more consistent execution at a high level. His writing is so intriguing. It deserves a trophy honestly, but it's so hard to consistently execute his stuff. 😭😭
Mission Viejo won scholastic World championships in 2001 and 2007 .. both Mike Jackson battery books I also completely understand what you are saying when you say that though .. his writing deserved gold a few more times in my opinion 💯
I don’t know. From a judging perspective there wouldn’t be as much content in his books to judge and praise compared to other groups in the first place. Love it nevertheless!
Sometimes I feel like Mike Jackson's books are like Wes Anderson films; there are things that each one does all the time. You know what you are going to get.
I feel like mikes outdoor books focus on purposeful beats and mixing with the overall ensemble more and less on just adding hard beats bc their hard. Very unique stuff
RCC Fall 10’/11’ here. =) - @7:35 love this point. Exactly why I think Devs always inch out over these books that are far more complex. CC is sounding fantastic and did another great job this year.
This line has the unfortunate fact of writing above playing ability/approach. The book is great and they are REAL close Look forward to what this new approach will create in the years to come 🙏
HOT take: if cavaliers are scoring super high for what they're executing, crown should too. i think they're playing "space" as good as, if not better than, cavs. notes-wise, i don't think either are taxing hands tooooo much (cavs get the edge here, for sure, but i don't think cavs' book is PHYSICALLY terribly demanding....there IS demand, but it's very choosy/concentrated in spots( which is OK! playing to the sheets, etc is ok)) Jackson is obviously partial to injecting orchestral percussion influences into this book, and that's rad. Crown does let some easy stuff go, and that is aggravating to me, but the rhythms they are executing are super far out and deserve much applause.
I don’t think they set up lighting for the shot lol. There was zero lighting nearby their lot so they set up lights just to be able to see for movement.
quick question fellas....you guys reference the "gut edge" quite often. Is that on the edge, but diagonal from center edge? Love the content guys! Keep going!
We each have our own Blue Yeti mics plugged in. We link up in a discord server and Mike will share his screen over to me for the video we’re reacting to. Then he records or screen captures his computer screen using Streamlabs. Hope that helps.
I remember in hs my drum instructor talking about a cat he marched Phantom with in the 70’s that wrote stuff for his line that was so difficult he couldn’t play it! Any instructor in drum corp who writes a book no one can play including him/her? Just curious
am I imagining it or do all the snare drummerrs seem choked up on the stick further than usual with their left hands, seems like a lot of tail hangin in the back. Love the channel!
@@BagChatters10I’m not sure I understand this explanation. I’ve played with those sticks plenty and there’s no difference in terms of fulcrum position. Physics alone would dictate that the most optimal position is a third up the stick, no matter how long or short the stick is. Holding it higher legitimately just reduces range of motion and makes it harder to control heights. Given all that, I would understand it if all of them were holding it “on the flag,” but a few of them are holding it further back, about where you’d expect it. Either way it’s not a big deal, but I don’t understand people running defense for it either. 🤷🏼♂️ A more sensible response to me would be, “That’s how the staff defined it” or “It works better for our style”
@@ARZiehmDifferent taper = different weight distribution. You play play just fine at exactly 1/3, but you have to ask yourself if you are getting the most optimal rebound out of that compared to slightly higher. Each stick is different!
@@ayytism8857 I get that there is a different taper on it, but my point is that I don’t think the difference is pronounced enough that it would warrant a different technical approach. Different strokes for different folks I guess
To my senses, this book is simple and in my opinion boring compared to BD this year. The bass break is cool, but again, very simple compared to BD's. And I agree it's not necessarily about playing the most out-to-lunch lines, but any line can play something that's the singable audience favorite. This strikes me as a watered down, average performance. Certainly not top 3.
Different approach to the role of the line - Crown isn’t going to let the line overpower/outshine the brass. But they’re holding their own and frankly, are sorely underrated purely because of the exposure they’re not getting, and the difficulty of it in areas where they’re not being featured, in my view at least
@@Brockstaryea it’s not ramming notes, it’s not demanding on a pure notes standpoint but stuff like the space and demanding with body and drill make it very mentally difficult
I think a lot of these members are young so it should be fun watching this program grow in the future if they can retain their membership.
Yea we’ve heard there are some younger members in the group as well. Should be a cool couple of seasons coming up for them.
Need to drink CROWN ROYAL🥃 while watching CROWN 👑
FACTS
For reals! So gooodddd
Really aprecite you guys featuring such a diverse sampling of groups and styles! This year seems incredibly stacked with outstanding lines and Crown is for sure one of my favorites. Love the rhythmic, dynamic, and expressive challenges throughout the book.
Love the energy from the tenor guy with the glasses
I think it is great to teach this kind of technical approach because these guys will use that much more when they are playing an orchestral or jazz gig on a concert snare or timpani or mallet instrument. So, educationally I think that is excellent. However, cleaning that and getting everyone to play that way while running out there…omg!!! And I totally agree that compared to the other top lines they are not throwing down the flam vocab that I personally love to hear. Great video guys. Thanks.
Really enjoyed the discussion of Mike Jackson's writing style in this one. It's so fascinating to dissect a group's style and what makes it unique/challenging, and I think Mike's work is a really interesting case study in particular. Would love to hear more of that with other groups and writers!
Went to a camp for BK, Mike Jacksons view on drumming is pretty nuts, his book writing is great.
Was Mike writing their book in 2017? That show was my favorite for unique tempo changes / combo. It was just so so smooth on the end / ritard of their first number that year!
@@funkywhite nah, he was still at BK at that point but I did enjoy Crown’s book that year too
You guys would make EXCELLENT adjudicators…💯
The one thing about them... They playing the shit outta them drums 😂😂
At 13:07 they decrescendo and crescendo through moving up and down in that body crazy
Center snare blink count: 0
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I’m digging Jackson’s writing style. So much nuance and modulation demand.
As a fan, I really wanna see a Mike Jackson book win something, whether it be indoor or drum corps. I think he has to tone it down JUST A LITTLE to allow more consistent execution at a high level. His writing is so intriguing. It deserves a trophy honestly, but it's so hard to consistently execute his stuff. 😭😭
Broken City won in ‘19 if I’m not mistaken
They did indeed!
Mission Viejo won scholastic World championships in 2001 and 2007 .. both Mike Jackson battery books
I also completely understand what you are saying when you say that though .. his writing deserved gold a few more times in my opinion 💯
I don’t know. From a judging perspective there wouldn’t be as much content in his books to judge and praise compared to other groups in the first place. Love it nevertheless!
@@tim.noonan sheeeesh how did I forget that?! 😭 Everything pre COVID seems like forever ago man.
Sometimes I feel like Mike Jackson's books are like Wes Anderson films; there are things that each one does all the time. You know what you are going to get.
At first I thought I was listening to the Blue Knights pre-covid.
Mike Jackson is obsessed with the number 3
I feel like mikes outdoor books focus on purposeful beats and mixing with the overall ensemble more and less on just adding hard beats bc their hard. Very unique stuff
RCC Fall 10’/11’ here. =) - @7:35 love this point. Exactly why I think Devs always inch out over these books that are far more complex.
CC is sounding fantastic and did another great job this year.
This line has the unfortunate fact of writing above playing ability/approach. The book is great and they are REAL close
Look forward to what this new approach will create in the years to come 🙏
HOT take: if cavaliers are scoring super high for what they're executing, crown should too. i think they're playing "space" as good as, if not better than, cavs. notes-wise, i don't think either are taxing hands tooooo much (cavs get the edge here, for sure, but i don't think cavs' book is PHYSICALLY terribly demanding....there IS demand, but it's very choosy/concentrated in spots( which is OK! playing to the sheets, etc is ok)) Jackson is obviously partial to injecting orchestral percussion influences into this book, and that's rad. Crown does let some easy stuff go, and that is aggravating to me, but the rhythms they are executing are super far out and deserve much applause.
I don’t think they set up lighting for the shot lol. There was zero lighting nearby their lot so they set up lights just to be able to see for movement.
I like watching these, it’s like sports commentary but dci 😆🙏🏽
As Billy Joel would say: Heading back to ALLENTOWN!
Great pod like always fellas!🤟🏾🍻💪🏾🥁
Mike Jackson came with some heat 🔥
quick question fellas....you guys reference the "gut edge" quite often. Is that on the edge, but diagonal from center edge? Love the content guys! Keep going!
Yea, it would be the edge at the like 2 o’clock position of a clock. Overtop of the guts on the bottom head.
Cracking open a nice... coffee with y'all lol
I love coffee! Lol -Evan
If you haven’t already, could you give a brief overview of your recording process?
We each have our own Blue Yeti mics plugged in. We link up in a discord server and Mike will share his screen over to me for the video we’re reacting to. Then he records or screen captures his computer screen using Streamlabs. Hope that helps.
@@agedoutpodcast very helpful, thank you!
Russell’s reserve ❤❤❤
Check out the Raiders this year, they beat 7th in hands last night, kind of an underdog of a year 👀
i was in this lot, more impressive than Boston that night for sure
this thing we call a microphone doesn't do justice to the true sound
I dont think we were hearing the same drumlines then lol I was there too and have the exact opposite opinion
I remember in hs my drum instructor talking about a cat he marched Phantom with in the 70’s that wrote stuff for his line that was so difficult he couldn’t play it! Any instructor in drum corp who writes a book no one can play including him/her? Just curious
EVERYONE GET IN HERE
Love crown
For the algorithm. ✊
am I imagining it or do all the snare drummerrs seem choked up on the stick further than usual with their left hands, seems like a lot of tail hangin in the back. Love the channel!
VFSMJ'S, that is where the balance point lies.
@@BagChatters10I’m not sure I understand this explanation. I’ve played with those sticks plenty and there’s no difference in terms of fulcrum position. Physics alone would dictate that the most optimal position is a third up the stick, no matter how long or short the stick is. Holding it higher legitimately just reduces range of motion and makes it harder to control heights. Given all that, I would understand it if all of them were holding it “on the flag,” but a few of them are holding it further back, about where you’d expect it. Either way it’s not a big deal, but I don’t understand people running defense for it either. 🤷🏼♂️
A more sensible response to me would be, “That’s how the staff defined it” or “It works better for our style”
@@ARZiehmDifferent taper = different weight distribution. You play play just fine at exactly 1/3, but you have to ask yourself if you are getting the most optimal rebound out of that compared to slightly higher. Each stick is different!
@@ayytism8857 I get that there is a different taper on it, but my point is that I don’t think the difference is pronounced enough that it would warrant a different technical approach. Different strokes for different folks I guess
Their fulcrum is super far back in the hands. The fulcrum is in the same spot on the stick but the hand isn’t
CMFC!
Brooo that’s blue starss
What is?
Super musical and technical writing. Sooo hard to clean. That takes nuggets.
Don't care about show themes, only care about clean drill and clean beats
To my senses, this book is simple and in my opinion boring compared to BD this year. The bass break is cool, but again, very simple compared to BD's. And I agree it's not necessarily about playing the most out-to-lunch lines, but any line can play something that's the singable audience favorite. This strikes me as a watered down, average performance. Certainly not top 3.
K.
Different approach to the role of the line - Crown isn’t going to let the line overpower/outshine the brass. But they’re holding their own and frankly, are sorely underrated purely because of the exposure they’re not getting, and the difficulty of it in areas where they’re not being featured, in my view at least
i don't know what you're hearing but this book is far from simple genuinely one of the hardest books this year to clean imo
@@haxorus4927 Compared to BD and Boston, this book seems very simple. JMO
@@Brockstaryea it’s not ramming notes, it’s not demanding on a pure notes standpoint but stuff like the space and demanding with body and drill make it very mentally difficult