Seeing them climb the percussion scores was so crazy and when they took first, It was so awesome. I’m sure this is a blind side to people saying it would be between bd, bac, Bloo, and crown.
They have all the pieces. The humility and absolute professional grind of their staff is evident in each member. One key thing about their feature you won't find in lot videos is how precisely the battery locks in with the pit runs after the "Casey Claw" roll. It's amazing writing and really underappreciated. The staging of their battery also highlights each section remarkably. Kudos to the new visual staff for recognizing that.
I may have to eat crow, I should have known better being someone who preferred Star 93 over Cadets 93. This book is all about nuance and dynamics. And yes their front ensemble is fire. This may end up being one my favorite books this season. Also, tons of Easter eggs for those familiar with the Cavies history.
I think one of the problems is that battery people think the battery should be the stars of the whole show. Sometimes they take a supporting roll to the rest of the corps. That may not be as flashy in the lot but it is still of importance to the show as a whole. It is nice to see very clean rudimental playing get rewarded. I am also happy that corps like BAC continue to push what a battery can do. I don't believe things will continue to get easier accross the board because clean hard book beats clean easy book and I think people will continue to take risks and work hard. Some people want to play it safe and some take risks. The risk taker doesn't always win, but people usually remember when they do. They are different philosophies and we have seen both of them get rewarded in past.
Well I said the Cavies Drumline was #1 before San Antonio so they just proved it from then on through Atlanta through Allentown and all three nights from Prelims to Semi-Finals to Finals. As Mike Fantini of Aged out Podcast says: CLEAN WINS EVERYTIME!!! Congrats to the Cavies!
I don't know that I see them as first place when looking at lot videos. A lot of the things that aren't top tier yet are in those less demanding sections...but those moments aren't being judged on the field like you said. They're playing the game and cleaning what's being judged. No hate, that's what the activity is right now. But I think it puts a magnifying glass on the conversation of designer vs. performers again. A never ending discussion! At any rate, props to the performers. Anyone who grew up watching 2000s Cavies is getting all the nostalgia from that drum feature.
@@Jake-fk7gcKeep in mind that percussion scores include the performance quality and level of demand from a section we call the “Front Ensemble”. You see… It’s an “ensemble” of tuned percussion instruments in the “front” of the field. Hence the name. Anyway. The Sanford award went back to Rosemont this morning.
Liked the quad moment with the variety of timbre within the phrase. I'd imagine ear-wise that's a hard thing to do, as well as how the stick feels in the hand.
I wonder if "playing the game" is also about improving the corps' music analysis scores. Since the content of the batterie book isn't gonna be judged in those moments Mac writes whatever will be easiest to line up front to back.
DCI just posted some excerpts from Jeff Brooks' San Antonio tape, "giant, beautiful charcuterie board ... just full of an assortment of these delicious skill sets."
14:48 That Spirit of Atlanta 1980/Tom Float shoutout is no joke - that line was awesome. Small world but my boss aged out in Spirit's brassline that year. That was the year Jim Ott passed. Jim had moved from Blue Devils to Spirit and was actively destroying them in brass on BD's home turf that summer. The stories my boss told me about that summer was insane. He gave a solid mention to the percussion section even as a brass guy, because even though they didn't win percussion that year, it was a drumline everyone seemed to talk about/remember.
One of my favorite Cavies Drumline features is Men of Goodwill and it’s awesome! Here is what I wrote from a number of years ago: ruclips.net/video/Bp6hfJQ8GCQ/видео.html. Gives me a chill everytime I hear the ending!!! In words it sounds like the Drumline is saying: COOK COOK COOK COOK COOK…WHAT DID HE DO…HE WROTE THE BOOK!
I agree with you guys that there's a very solid shot at these guys taking the Sanford. Pretty sure you guys noticed this too; how they're playing with that "next level" of confidence and authority. Reminds me of a very few select other lines that had that going for them that were bringing that type of energy; RCC 2009, Cavies 2000, any early 2000s Cadets line, any mid to late 90s BD line. Something about that level of intensity is present, alive, and well in this drumline and it shows in how clean and consistent they are.
7:32 they do the "Mars" Rhythm and then go directly to the double stops 3 note motif from the 2010 Mad World Opener So many easter eggs from past shows
Appreciate the review. Yes, Cavs are cooking. Really had fun watching them at Atlanta. Unfortunately the throwback step over drill move did not draw the crowd response I think the designers were anticipating, but still cool.
Why is it that the Cavaliers 2023 Drumline parking lot videos don’t overly impress me but when I watch the 2023 field show performances. I am completely floored by the Drumline? Is there some new high concentration energy drink that they’re all taking right before the shows?
I think the biggest difference I've heard between BAC and Cavs is their dynamics. BAC definitely plays the "faster" beats, but Cavs has such great execution and dynamics. Having listened to both batteries, the musicality and dynamics with BAC is much more blurred (not to say that it isn't there). But with Cavs, you can really hear the micro dynamics and the pressure changes. I've seen it happen too many times where people don't consider dynamic control and technique as "chops". Again, this isn't to deny BAC of what they're doing. They definitely have chops. But dynamic control on this level is REALLY hard and is often overlooked as being "easy" because it sounds simple. BAC and Cavs are both playing incredibly hard books, but with clearly different focuses.
While I'll never get used to or understand the modern "body" stuff, it's great to see the and hear beats reminiscent of the early 2000s era. I'm convinced that was the peak of the activity.
Very much reminiscent of Star ‘93. Subtle musical nuances played cleanly with a strong front ensemble. Star did it back then…Cavies will do it in a couple weeks. 💯
Idk, I'd rather watch a drumline play a difficult book like BD or Boston. Some moments in here are straight up so damn easy. You are right clean wins, but at what cost? Is easy but clean the future of DCI?
I think unless they change the structure of the percussion adjudicators back to giving them more freedom to sample stuff on field. You will continue to see people “play the game”. I think BD is great at that every year. It’s not my preference though.
Eh since 7/21 their Content numbers have been 9+ consistently. You'd have a point if the judges saw the book as being outperformed. So far that hasn't been the case in the numbers. Usually achievement is 1-2 tenths below. - also let's remember percussion isn't just what's happening out on the field, there's a front ensemble that factors into this.
Some of it is ridiculously easy. Their front is why their score is so high. Nothing else. Out of the battery sections of Cavs, BD, Bloo, Cadets, and BAC, Cavs clearly are in the 5th spot. Personally I got them behind Crown as well.
Seeing them climb the percussion scores was so crazy and when they took first, It was so awesome. I’m sure this is a blind side to people saying it would be between bd, bac, Bloo, and crown.
They have all the pieces. The humility and absolute professional grind of their staff is evident in each member. One key thing about their feature you won't find in lot videos is how precisely the battery locks in with the pit runs after the "Casey Claw" roll. It's amazing writing and really underappreciated. The staging of their battery also highlights each section remarkably. Kudos to the new visual staff for recognizing that.
I may have to eat crow, I should have known better being someone who preferred Star 93 over Cadets 93. This book is all about nuance and dynamics. And yes their front ensemble is fire. This may end up being one my favorite books this season. Also, tons of Easter eggs for those familiar with the Cavies history.
Something easy to overlook in the lot is the crazy number of hat and cuff visuals going on... while playing. Looks so slick on the field.
I think one of the problems is that battery people think the battery should be the stars of the whole show. Sometimes they take a supporting roll to the rest of the corps. That may not be as flashy in the lot but it is still of importance to the show as a whole. It is nice to see very clean rudimental playing get rewarded. I am also happy that corps like BAC continue to push what a battery can do. I don't believe things will continue to get easier accross the board because clean hard book beats clean easy book and I think people will continue to take risks and work hard. Some people want to play it safe and some take risks. The risk taker doesn't always win, but people usually remember when they do. They are different philosophies and we have seen both of them get rewarded in past.
Well I said the Cavies Drumline was #1 before San Antonio so they just proved it from then on through Atlanta through Allentown and all three nights from Prelims to Semi-Finals to Finals. As Mike Fantini of Aged out Podcast says: CLEAN WINS EVERYTIME!!! Congrats to the Cavies!
*LOWEST FINALS CORPS TO EVER WIN PERCUSSION:*
Bridgemen 1982 -> won perc but placed *8th* overall
Here's a quick copy/paste of all the years:
Best Percussion Corps Finals Rank
1972 - Kingsmen 1
1973 - Vanguard 1
1974 - Vanguard 1
1975 - Vanguard 2
1976 - Blue Devils 1
1977 - Blue Devils 1
1978 - Vanguard 1
1979 - Vanguard 3
1980 - Bridgemen 3
1981 - Bridgemen 6
**1982 - Bridgemen 8**
1983 - Blue Devils 2
1984 - Blue Devils 2
1985 - Blue Devils 3
1986 - Blue Devils 1
1987 - Cadets 1
1988 - Vanguard 2
1989 - Vanguard 1
1990 - Cadets 1
1991 - Vanguard/Star/Cavaliers 4 / 1 / 2
1992 - Cavaliers 1
1993 - Star 2
1994 - Blue Devils 1
1995 - Cavaliers 1
1996 - Blue Devils 1
1997 - Blue Devils 1
1998 - Vanguard 2
1999 - Cavaliers 3
2000 - Cavaliers 1
2001 - Cadets 2
2002 - Cadets 3
2003 - Cadets 3
2004 - Vanguard 3
2005 - Cadets 1
2006 - Phantom Regiment 2
2007 - Blue Devils 1
2008 - Phantom Regiment 1
2009 - Blue Devils 1
2010 - Phantom Regiment 6
2011 - Cavaliers 3
2012 - Blue Devils 1
2013 - Cadets 3
2014 - Vanguard 4
2015 - Blue Devils 1
2016 - Vanguard 4
2017 - Vanguard 2
2018 - Vanguard 1
2019 - Vanguard 3
2020 - Covid... N/A
2021 - Non-Competitive Season N/A
2022 - Bluecoats 2
2023 - ...
This is sick! Thanks!!
@@agedoutpodcast 😎🤙
I don't know that I see them as first place when looking at lot videos. A lot of the things that aren't top tier yet are in those less demanding sections...but those moments aren't being judged on the field like you said. They're playing the game and cleaning what's being judged. No hate, that's what the activity is right now.
But I think it puts a magnifying glass on the conversation of designer vs. performers again. A never ending discussion! At any rate, props to the performers. Anyone who grew up watching 2000s Cavies is getting all the nostalgia from that drum feature.
Let me clarify that they're phenomenal 😄 just offering a commentary on what you see in the lot vs what gets judged on the field.
@@Jake-fk7gcKeep in mind that percussion scores include the performance quality and level of demand from a section we call the “Front Ensemble”. You see… It’s an “ensemble” of tuned percussion instruments in the “front” of the field. Hence the name. Anyway. The Sanford award went back to Rosemont this morning.
@@Luckyjasondrum Congrats!
Liked the quad moment with the variety of timbre within the phrase. I'd imagine ear-wise that's a hard thing to do, as well as how the stick feels in the hand.
I wonder if "playing the game" is also about improving the corps' music analysis scores. Since the content of the batterie book isn't gonna be judged in those moments Mac writes whatever will be easiest to line up front to back.
The hats add at least a tenth to the score. So badass this year!
Love that bass drum tuning! Best bass drum sound this season!
DCI just posted some excerpts from Jeff Brooks' San Antonio tape, "giant, beautiful charcuterie board ... just full of an assortment of these delicious skill sets."
We need a front Ensemble age out Podcast!
True!
Would love to hear BlooPit staff or former BlooPitters Lee and Lane form Cavs talk about FE stuff.
The Cavies win the Sanford Trophy 🏆 this year!!! GREAT TALENT😎😎😎🥁🥁🥁👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I was waiting for this one this is one of my favorite groups this year so glad you guys made this video
14:48 That Spirit of Atlanta 1980/Tom Float shoutout is no joke - that line was awesome. Small world but my boss aged out in Spirit's brassline that year. That was the year Jim Ott passed. Jim had moved from Blue Devils to Spirit and was actively destroying them in brass on BD's home turf that summer. The stories my boss told me about that summer was insane. He gave a solid mention to the percussion section even as a brass guy, because even though they didn't win percussion that year, it was a drumline everyone seemed to talk about/remember.
Oh man, what an awesome memory!
As the lot finishes…Bricky says: FANTINI MAKE ME A MARTINI 🍸
One of my favorite Cavies Drumline features is Men of Goodwill and it’s awesome! Here is what I wrote from a number of years ago:
ruclips.net/video/Bp6hfJQ8GCQ/видео.html.
Gives me a chill everytime I hear the ending!!! In words it sounds like the Drumline is saying: COOK COOK COOK COOK COOK…WHAT DID HE DO…HE WROTE THE BOOK!
That is a great one, don’t think I’d seen that before!
I agree with you guys that there's a very solid shot at these guys taking the Sanford. Pretty sure you guys noticed this too; how they're playing with that "next level" of confidence and authority. Reminds me of a very few select other lines that had that going for them that were bringing that type of energy; RCC 2009, Cavies 2000, any early 2000s Cadets line, any mid to late 90s BD line. Something about that level of intensity is present, alive, and well in this drumline and it shows in how clean and consistent they are.
This is quintessential cavaliers. Reminds me of the bret kuhn era with mcintosh running things. Technique not the same but the sound certainly is.
7:32 they do the "Mars" Rhythm and then go directly to the double stops 3 note motif from the 2010 Mad World Opener
So many easter eggs from past shows
It goes back even farther than that! Those double stops were also at the end of their 1992 show🔥
I love Cavies this season because their front is also strong!
Appreciate the review. Yes, Cavs are cooking. Really had fun watching them at Atlanta. Unfortunately the throwback step over drill move did not draw the crowd response I think the designers were anticipating, but still cool.
Why is it that the Cavaliers 2023 Drumline parking lot videos don’t overly impress me but when I watch the 2023 field show performances. I am completely floored by the Drumline? Is there some new high concentration energy drink that they’re all taking right before the shows?
Because the lot videos never show the front ensemble.
I think the biggest difference I've heard between BAC and Cavs is their dynamics. BAC definitely plays the "faster" beats, but Cavs has such great execution and dynamics. Having listened to both batteries, the musicality and dynamics with BAC is much more blurred (not to say that it isn't there). But with Cavs, you can really hear the micro dynamics and the pressure changes.
I've seen it happen too many times where people don't consider dynamic control and technique as "chops". Again, this isn't to deny BAC of what they're doing. They definitely have chops. But dynamic control on this level is REALLY hard and is often overlooked as being "easy" because it sounds simple.
BAC and Cavs are both playing incredibly hard books, but with clearly different focuses.
Was at this lot - what you guys are saying about the bass layering is true it hit really hard always
While I'll never get used to or understand the modern "body" stuff, it's great to see the and hear beats reminiscent of the early 2000s era. I'm convinced that was the peak of the activity.
when rhythm x steps onto football field
Def not overhyping and love that all the lines are pretty close. 1)Man the touch is niiiiice. 2)I miss playing mac beats. It was an honor
Very much reminiscent of Star ‘93. Subtle musical nuances played cleanly with a strong front ensemble. Star did it back then…Cavies will do it in a couple weeks. 💯
The thing Evan was talking about with the diddled pdds going off of drums 1, 2, and 3 are called candy apples
Good to know!
Guys. 1982 Bridgemen high drums. Corps 8th place.
SO damn good. Fundamentals are important!!
Damn these guys are cooking. I think a great way to explain Cavaliers is that they have the sound quality that Boston had last summer.
Great content gentlemen! Keep it up!
The ending not only sounds like '11 but also kind of like a callback to the end of '02 and '06.
Been saying it since day one these boys getting that Sanford
Great feedback and info, loved this
9:20 that quad roll didn’t have a release 😭
I don’t know how to word it, but I love how “strict/exact” their heights are. Uniformity is almost a lost art
@13:12 that shot.
SCV Snare line video reaction?
YEAH GREEN MACHINE YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
*Double stop like button*
Finally!!
Idk, I'd rather watch a drumline play a difficult book like BD or Boston. Some moments in here are straight up so damn easy. You are right clean wins, but at what cost? Is easy but clean the future of DCI?
I think unless they change the structure of the percussion adjudicators back to giving them more freedom to sample stuff on field. You will continue to see people “play the game”. I think BD is great at that every year.
It’s not my preference though.
Eh since 7/21 their Content numbers have been 9+ consistently. You'd have a point if the judges saw the book as being outperformed. So far that hasn't been the case in the numbers. Usually achievement is 1-2 tenths below. - also let's remember percussion isn't just what's happening out on the field, there's a front ensemble that factors into this.
I love Cavies but I find the Boston book so much more entertaining to listen to this year.
Some of it is ridiculously easy. Their front is why their score is so high. Nothing else. Out of the battery sections of Cavs, BD, Bloo, Cadets, and BAC, Cavs clearly are in the 5th spot. Personally I got them behind Crown as well.
What do you expect though, 12 minutes of hard stuff? There needs to be somewhat of a balance and they have it for sure
Crazy good line. Go Cards.
Are you guys going to allentown?
Nah, too far unfortunately. Would love to go back some year though.
@@agedoutpodcast aw man, my bad for some reason thought you guys were east coast
For the algorithm. ✊
🥴
They jumped up so much
20:54 From 1992 - ruclips.net/video/pXBECGSB0Kc/видео.html
Yup!!
3 Camps in there?
Something about those Yamahas, man. Quality played on quality
Yamahas quality isn't that great tho
Cavs for Sanford
I think they are throwing down the 20 percent of the book that is actually challenging
And my reply to they play it perfect is who in the top 4 wouldn't?
I love you
I don’t see any women on snare or quads like the other corps. No women allowed or what?
It's An only male Corp!
So if girls are fans of this corps they aren't able to join them?@@iainoam2565
@Aged Out Podcast guys...had a question for you. Is there an email to contact you directly?
agedoutpodcast@gmail.com
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