Judging by how easily Link can get past the guards, I like to think Gannondorf used the same method as Link. The king of evil, crouch running around bushes.
He wouldn't be able to get into that area in the first place without crawling through that one aqueduct, but he can't fit through it because he's so dummy thicc 😂
1 thing to point out, what's Ganandorf's title in OoT? The "King of Thieves"! Thieves is past tense for thief, what's definition of thief? "a person who steals another person's property, especially by stealth and without using force or violence". By all of this, I can definitely see him sneaking in the castle the similarly to Link!
@@_fire_fox_1152 In all honesty in a situation which involved sneaking into the castle to steal something of value he probably would have ordered one of his Gerudo minions to outright _seduce_ the guards protecting the entrance while he slipped his way into the castle's inner rooms to find the Ocarina of Time and wathever other valuables he might have stolen on the way. Remember that been the king of an all-female band of thieves has it's benefits. 😉
I never even considered Daphnes to be OoT's king, until you read out the original Hylian text in the WW(HD) intro. It makes sense, also for him to say that Tetra/Zelda is his descendant, not daughter.
¿Wasn't the king from Ocarina of Time _murdered_ after Ganondorf attacked Hyrule Castle and utterly _destroyed_ the entire castle to replace it with his own? ¿How would the king suddenly revive to continue ruling a destroyed kingdom before inmediatly been forced to take action against an inmediatly released Ganondorf as if Link's confrontation with him mean _nothing_ in the end? Way too farfetched conclusion to suggest Daphness is the same king of Hyrule from Ocarina of Time given all the evidence against it.
@@javiervasquez625 I don't recall any mention about the king in OoT past the line that he doesn't believe Zelda. Dunno if the books say anything about it.
@@UltimateTobi No dialogues ever refer to the king past that dialogue you are right yet it is heavily implied throught the story and "environmental storytelling" that Ganondorf did indeed murdered the king as by the time Link awakens from his slumber within the Sacred Realm Hyrule Castle has turned into a barren volcanic wasteland with _piles of bones_ scattered across the lifeless ground suggesting a massive battle which killed _everyone_ within the castle's walls. Seeing as the king is nowhere to be found in the Adult Timeline it is thusly safe to assume that Ganondorf must have killed him when he destroyed the castle alongside the many soldiers within.
@@javiervasquez625 The only thing that makes this whole theory not work IMO is the fact that, as you mentioned under another comment, some time must have passed between the events of the end of OoT and Ganondorf returning, causing the flooding (you pointed out Hyrule must've had at least a century or more of prosperity for the landscape (towns, castle, etc.) to have changed that much compared to OoT). That is told to us via environmental storytelling. Whether or not Daphnes is the OoT king or not does not hinge on him being able to escape or not, but how much time actually passes between Ganondorf being sealed and him breaking out. If Ganondorf immediately broke out (which is contradicted by in-game text and environmental storytelling (landscape, castle, statue), and the king escaped, Daphnes could potentially be the OoT king. If Ganondorf did not, then the OoT king simply died of old age (if he wasn't killed during the seven years in OoT) and Daphnes is likely not the OoT king. I admit this theory is on very shakey ground, but the ideo of Daphnes being the OoT king is a nice one, albeit it unlikely. The only hard evidence you could base it on is the Hylian text in the intro. But every other evidence points against it, so. Nice thought experiment, but nothing else.
@@UltimateTobi Agreed thanks for addressing all the points for and against in a straight and simple manner for laymen to have an easy understanding and reach the most logical conclusion.
I've always considered WW Daphnes to have been OoT's king. The male Hylian monarchs seem to reign for a longggg time after all, and Niko WW being in Spirit Tracks proves hylians can live a good deal over 100 years. It just made sense to me.
Interesting theory. Personally, the part about the Hero of Time's tale being passed as a legend, which is also present in the japanese version, makes me believe some time has passed, but not too much. I always saw Daphnes as being either the son or grandson of OoT Zelda and the fllod happening around 100 years after OoT 100 years, compared to BotW's 10.000, is a relatively "short" period of time, after all
Personally it's far too unlikely for the gap between Ocarina of Time and The Wind Waker to not involve at least _200 years_ after Ganondorf's imprisonment as the _geography_ of TWW Hyrule looks staggeringly different to Ocarina of Time to suggest it took only a century for Ganondorf to break the Seal of the Sacred Realm and resume his conquest of the realm. Taking into account the relocation of the castle from what seems to be _Lake Hylia_ it must have taken at least a few centuries of endless prosperity for the kingdom to change shape and a new group of Sages to replace the old ones from Ocarina of Time. Overall the evidence is far too plausible to suggest it took _far more_ than a century for Ganondorf to break free and repeat the cycle from Ocarina of Time.
I wonder if Ganon having the full Triforce in the downfall timeline strengthened the seal. He was unable to escape on his own, and had to create a puppet basically to even attempt to escape, and still wasn’t successful.
Im pretty sure the king was murdered. He always dies. WW was the only game where he wasnt technically axed from the get go but he was still dead, same in BotW lol. In TP he died before the game syarted and zelda was on the eve pf her coronation as Queen of Hyrule when Zant attacked. So she technically remained a princess but was rightfully the queen
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Which is more than likely what happened considering his complete omission from story events by the time Link leaves the Sacred Realm. Zelda wouldn't be able to revive her father as the Triforce of _Wisdom_ does not have the power to reanimate the dead as the Triforce of Power does.
@@Elti979 The Gossip Stone on top of the maze in the Sacred Forest Meadow literally says _"It is said that the owl Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation of an ancient _*_Sage"._* ¿How could Zelda's father be one of the 7 Sages when ALL the roles are already fulfilled by another character?
I have a few questions about this. How long is "a short while" in Wind Waker's prologue? Castles can take some time to be built (also the Tower of the Gods, if it was built at that time), possibly even enough time for Zelda to have married and begotten Daphnes. "A short while" was apparently enough time for Jabun to take Jabu Jabu's place and become familiar with Daphnes, same with Valoo replacing Volvagia. Those two had to have been born after OOT but before WW's prologue since they speak Ancient Hylian and are familiar with Daphnes. Even Ganondorf expected enough time to pass for at least one generation to be born, since he says "I will exterminate your descendants" while he's sealed. Where was the King in the ending cutscene of Ocarina of Time? We see soldiers and even King Zora, but no King of Hyrule. Fado tells Link that the King used the Wind Waker to conduct the prayers of the Sages so power would remain in the Master Sword. He also asks Link to tell the King that he still plays his cello even in death, suggesting he is referring specifically to Daphnes. This would mean that Fado and Daphnes were alive at the same time, but there was already a Kokiri girl named Fado in OOT who was alive in the Adult Era. It seems odd for there to be two Kokiri with the same name in what appeared to be such a small community, so I would assume that the Sage Fado was born later and took the name of the previous Fado in her memory (perhaps even being her son since Sage Fado and Makar mention the blood of the Sages in their veins, meaning Kokiri have children). The Gossip Stones aren't destroyed in the Adult Era, and Impa is still alive to pass on Sheikah magic. The Pirate's Charm likely used Sheikah magic since it was based on the Gossip Stones (which feature a Sheikah eye and require a Sheikah mask to speak to), and are glowing blue like the Timeshift Stones (which also have a Sheikah eye on them). This means that it wouldn't necessarily need to be the King of OOT who survived. It's still possible he survived, but it doesn't seem likely to me because I don't think Ganondorf would have spared him since he planned on sacrificing the Gorons later. I always imagined he was murdered when he refused to give up the Ocarina, then turned to chase Zelda (prompting Impa). He didn't invade the castle alone according to the soldier in the alley. Why invade and attack if you aren't going to make sure you successfully killed your target? Here's an interesting idea, though it may have some holes in it. Zelda's father in Skyward Sword is named Gaepora. His design looks very similar to Rauru, who is called Kaepora Gaebora in his owl form according to some Gossip Stones. Even before TOTK, I had wondered if he was secretly the King (though it's unlikely).
Sara you're by far the smartest person in this comment thread. Thank you for pointing the myriad of _facts_ which prevent this theory from being plausible.
I have never seen that dead soldier in the back alley before. Thats incredible. Very grim for the setting of OoT, too. Seems more like something youd see in Majoras.
Problem is Ganondorf most definetly KILLED the king of Ocarina of Time after he attacked the castle in search of the titular Ocarina of Time and i seriously doubt that Zelda's Triforce of Wisdom has the _power_ (Triforce of Power anyone?) to revive the dead. This theory is already _flawed_ by dismissing the implications regarding the king's fate as of the ending of Ocarina of Time's Adult Timeline.
Ganondorf's unaging however can also be explained with the Triforce of Power, this is part of the Full Triforce, and this specific artifact gives you immense powers, in Ganondorf's Case he became even more Powerful than a God - maybe more Powerful than the entire Hyrulian Gods-Tribe combined even. Meaning he must posess magic that the Gods also posess - among them is maybe eternal youth. Aging has nothing to do with the Flow of Time, it is more a mix of processes that happen inside of your body and outside of your body that gets Influenced mainly by chemical reactions and other things. And by becomming a being that is bigger in power than a God he even probably found a way to avoid natural aging by becomming something eternal
Essence of the golden goddess *Din* who _created_ the Zelda universe alongside her 2 sisters so yes you're very much right on Din's infinite essence been what granted Ganondorf to remain permanently youthful while sealed within the Sacred Realm all those many centuries ago.
@a.jthomas6132 let me ask you this first…why do you think Twinrova is important to TOTK? Do you have evidence (other than Koume and Kotake in two cutscenes) that can help flesh this idea out more? I’m asking because it is something I’ve genuinely thought about before, and I’m interested to hear what you have to say.
@@wizcatcheslightning He keeps talking about Twinrova everywhere he goes regarding Zelda content so it's probable you won't get an answer from him in the least. Safe to say now that Aonuma has seemingly confirmed there won't be any DLC for Tears of the Kingdom we have to assume Koume and Kotake's appeareance in the memory was a simple easter egg reference with no relevance to the story whatsoever.
Odd that a claim here is that Ganondorf acted alone when there's dialogue in the game that denies this? For one, the pair of laughing joking guys in Hyrule Castle Town talk about how "one of those horses" almost stepped on them when Ganondorf and his followers, plural, came through to get to the castle. This is an event we're never shown but is implied directly by this dialogue. The backstory of ALttP also mentions Ganondorf and his followers, in plural, likewise (and also tells us he later vanquished them all). I'll remain fairly convinced that Ganon would have only exposed his treachery by outright killing the king, much like we see with Sonia in TotK, since afterward he would never have a chance.
We looked into that before making the video. The Japanese dialogue says plain as day that Ganondorf was the sole pursuer of Impa and Zelda. Just another English mistranslation to add to a long list.
I'm certain OOT's king was killed by Ganondorf after Link collected all three Spiritual Stones. How else would Ganondorf be able to take over Hyrule Castle with Zelda fleeing? King Daphnes is the OOT King, but since it's the Adult Timeline, he's dead, evident by him vanishing in one cutscene in The Wind Waker and even being able to take form of a boat. It's his spirit being tied with the kingdom trying to prevent Ganondorf from conquering it again. We even see a similar thing to this happen with King Rhoam and the Champions in Breath of the Wild and Rauru and Mineru in Tears of the Kingdom.
@@SonicTheCutehog you don’t see a spirit being able to make a Triforce wish being a huge plot hole? The guy can possess a boat miles above him (that stops working once Hyrule gets completely submerged at the end of WW) and he can use the Pirate’s Charm to communicate 😅
@@wizcatcheslightning The boat stops working at the end of WW because his spirit is at peace with Ganondorf and Hyrule being no more. There's no reason for him to stay around.
@@SonicTheCutehog yeah, because he got crushed by water pressure. You can’t just conveniently side step spirits being able to make wishes on the Triforce 😂 That’s too huge of a loophole!
Good shit bro! So if 100 years hasn’t passed, how much time do you think has? Because if Daphnes had a daughter who ran to be safe when Hyrule flooded and the people surrounding This princess in the picture in Hyrule castle looks exactly like Terra’s crew, and tetra followed in her mom’s footsteps as a pirate to “take care of her crew”. If the timespan isn’t as vast as the translation indicates, tetra could be less removed from daphnes than thought Al with him being her Grandfather. With tetra being around 13/14 and maybe her mom giving birth a between 25-30, that puts the princess (Terra’s mom) as fleeing Hyrule around 30 years ago. But that math doesn’t add up at all 😂
Ok so the way we mapped it out is Adult Zelda > Tetra’s mother > Ganon’s return > Daphnes was around when Tetra’s great great great (great great?) grandmother was around (per the portrait) and sent her to a high peak while locking himself in the Master Sword chamber, effectively freezing the kingdom in time. 2-3 centuries later…we get the events of Wind Waker
@@wizcatcheslightning That sounds convoluted and wouldn't explain why Tetra herself wouldn't recognize the castle if her mother was the same princess who fled that very castle before it was flooded alongside the rest of the kingdom. I just can't find reason to believe this scenario given the many arguments to the contrary.
@@javiervasquez625 Tetra’s mother wasn’t the same princess who fled. She’s like 3-5 generations removed from that ancestor. It was a typo so that’s my bad 😅
Daphnes is clearly a dead spirit so that's why he can possess that boat. As for The Master Sword, you can't just take it out of the pedestal of time. There had to have been another hero that moved it during the time of the great flood. Keep in mind that the MS in OOT is in the same place it was in at the end of Skyward Sword. Rauru just changed the temple around it.
It's stated that when Link is sent back in time at the end of OoT, Zelda was in possession of the Master Sword in the Adult Timeline. She could have held off on placing it back into its pedastal so they could rebuild their castle, giving the Master Sword a newer more closely guarded location beneath it.
@nworder4life Think of the King as on the same level as Dumbledore. The dude is magic to the bone. However, due to Ganondorf harboring the Curse of Demise, a primal evil that defies space and time, among the level of a diety, the King of Hyrule is no match against him. He can only utilize his magic in other ways to defeat Ganondorf more subtly. He froze himself in time during the flood of Hyrule to preserve himself. Only 30-40 years have passed after Ocarina of Time until Wind Waker's Great Flood occurs. This is when the King, who is roughly 70 years old at this point, seals himself away inside Hyrule Castle, to then be reawakened 2-300 hundred years later during the events of Wind Waker.
I think i know where part of the confusion is coming from. When you describe the previous civil war you seem to assume its over and done with and the clear victor was hyrule. Alongside that you approach the poisoning of the Deku Tree and the disabling of hyrules other allies as a recent event that happened after the war was already over. As kids playing this game we would be like zelda and link in the garden. Ignorant of the actual tragedies of the recent civil war and confused why the king doesn't kill this evil man. The king, on the other hand, was forced to afree to gannondorfs demands in order to end the civil war because gannondorf already had the alliesnof hyrule disabled. Hyrule didnt just "win" that civil war. We don't know what was negotiated. What did the King offer to stop the fighting and get Gannondorf to bend the knee? That kind of thing is usually settled with a betrothal. Speculation: i believe Link arriving in the garden and meeting Zelda there and Gannondorf seeing them changed everything. I think Gannondorf was missing something vital to accomplish his goals and didn't know what it was until that moment when the three key players were drawn together. Something clicked for him in that moment and he saw the missing piece that could unlock the temple of time etc.
¿Do we even know what the Hyrulean Civil War was about and how it was actually settled? For all we know it was simply an insurrectionist movement _within_ the kingdom trying to start trouble and destroy the Royal Family in order to take the land for themselves forcing the king and his allies like the Gorons and Zoras to take up arms to completley _destroy_ this insurrectionists and put a stop to their violence. There are no hints anywhere in Ocarina of Time which suggest the king went to war with an _another kingdom_ outside Hyrule so there's no reason to suggest he had to compromise something (such as marraiga involving his daughter) to put an end to all the fighting. What you propose comes off as pure headcanon at best and pure fanfiction at worst.
1) Thanks for pointing it out! 2) It’s difficult to do this when you set an early premiere time because you have to wait for the other creator’s video to publish before grabbing the link 3) The link is in the pinned comment and video’s endscreen 4) I’ll add the link now 5) Despite this,
@@wizcatcheslightning Thank you. It's the first place I look for relevant links and it's clear that no one else does. Luckily I noticed your pinned comment before I clicked away so got to check it out.
I have to dislike this theory because of a few flaws made in the story that any true Zelda fans would know. You imply in the OOT parts that it is known that Ganondorf and Link have parts of the Triforce. If you are to touch the triforce and you are not of pure heart, it will split into 3 and one part will remain in whomever touched it. Ganondorf is a Greudo warlock and had magical powers when he attacked the castle, but neither he or Link had the a piece of the triforce. Link opened the path to the sacred realm and Ganondorf touched the triforce, splitting it, and keeping the the triforce of power. It was at that time Link gained the triforce of courage and Zelda the triforce of wisdom. How could the king have known Ganondorf had the triforce of power if he didn't have the triforce of power and the door to the sacred realm remained locked?
Young Link clearly has the Triforce of Courage at the end of OOT. It was emphasized in the video. Which is how the Divine Prank happens in Twilight Princess.
The Owl in Ocarina of time is actually Rauru the sage of light who resides in the sacred realm waiting with the other six sages he admits it after you beat the spirit temple at the Colossus.
Um... No he doesn't. It's been a while since I played this game, so I don't remember 100% what he said, but I'm pretty sure he said something about going to the castle to confront gannandorf or something(or was it to go back to the temple of time?...yea, to meet with zelda). But I'm almost positive he NEVER said anything about him being the owl. To me, it FEELS more likely like the owl is probably the headmaster gapora from sws. There's a shieka stone somewhere that said of how the owl "Gapora Gabora" was a reincarnation of an ancient sage. A lot of people have made ties to this basically just being raru the sage. . Well... as much as I would like to show doubt in that claim, just maybe perhaps both of these claims are true. . . Raru... COULD be Gapora reincarnated... which then reincarnated again into the owl. . . But.. dunno. . . . .
Oh... but then I just remembered, the owl met with link for the final time after getting the mirror shield. . Well... I still don't think he still said anything too telling about his backstory even then. . . All I remember is how he sees the way how link keeps disappearing and re-appearing in odd places as very mysterious, and how he heard of stories of the boy who could travel through time... there was more dialogue, but can't remember. Just that it wasn't very important.
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Judging by how easily Link can get past the guards, I like to think Gannondorf used the same method as Link. The king of evil, crouch running around bushes.
🤣 that’s funny to imagine
He wouldn't be able to get into that area in the first place without crawling through that one aqueduct, but he can't fit through it because he's so dummy thicc 😂
@@generaljimmies3429 yes, and smash bros rules do apply here as well haha
1 thing to point out, what's Ganandorf's title in OoT? The "King of Thieves"! Thieves is past tense for thief, what's definition of thief? "a person who steals another person's property, especially by stealth and without using force or violence". By all of this, I can definitely see him sneaking in the castle the similarly to Link!
@@_fire_fox_1152 In all honesty in a situation which involved sneaking into the castle to steal something of value he probably would have ordered one of his Gerudo minions to outright _seduce_ the guards protecting the entrance while he slipped his way into the castle's inner rooms to find the Ocarina of Time and wathever other valuables he might have stolen on the way. Remember that been the king of an all-female band of thieves has it's benefits. 😉
I never even considered Daphnes to be OoT's king, until you read out the original Hylian text in the WW(HD) intro. It makes sense, also for him to say that Tetra/Zelda is his descendant, not daughter.
¿Wasn't the king from Ocarina of Time _murdered_ after Ganondorf attacked Hyrule Castle and utterly _destroyed_ the entire castle to replace it with his own? ¿How would the king suddenly revive to continue ruling a destroyed kingdom before inmediatly been forced to take action against an inmediatly released Ganondorf as if Link's confrontation with him mean _nothing_ in the end? Way too farfetched conclusion to suggest Daphness is the same king of Hyrule from Ocarina of Time given all the evidence against it.
@@javiervasquez625 I don't recall any mention about the king in OoT past the line that he doesn't believe Zelda.
Dunno if the books say anything about it.
@@UltimateTobi No dialogues ever refer to the king past that dialogue you are right yet it is heavily implied throught the story and "environmental storytelling" that Ganondorf did indeed murdered the king as by the time Link awakens from his slumber within the Sacred Realm Hyrule Castle has turned into a barren volcanic wasteland with _piles of bones_ scattered across the lifeless ground suggesting a massive battle which killed _everyone_ within the castle's walls. Seeing as the king is nowhere to be found in the Adult Timeline it is thusly safe to assume that Ganondorf must have killed him when he destroyed the castle alongside the many soldiers within.
@@javiervasquez625 The only thing that makes this whole theory not work IMO is the fact that, as you mentioned under another comment, some time must have passed between the events of the end of OoT and Ganondorf returning, causing the flooding (you pointed out Hyrule must've had at least a century or more of prosperity for the landscape (towns, castle, etc.) to have changed that much compared to OoT).
That is told to us via environmental storytelling.
Whether or not Daphnes is the OoT king or not does not hinge on him being able to escape or not, but how much time actually passes between Ganondorf being sealed and him breaking out.
If Ganondorf immediately broke out (which is contradicted by in-game text and environmental storytelling (landscape, castle, statue), and the king escaped, Daphnes could potentially be the OoT king.
If Ganondorf did not, then the OoT king simply died of old age (if he wasn't killed during the seven years in OoT) and Daphnes is likely not the OoT king.
I admit this theory is on very shakey ground, but the ideo of Daphnes being the OoT king is a nice one, albeit it unlikely.
The only hard evidence you could base it on is the Hylian text in the intro. But every other evidence points against it, so.
Nice thought experiment, but nothing else.
@@UltimateTobi Agreed thanks for addressing all the points for and against in a straight and simple manner for laymen to have an easy understanding and reach the most logical conclusion.
I've always considered WW Daphnes to have been OoT's king. The male Hylian monarchs seem to reign for a longggg time after all, and Niko WW being in Spirit Tracks proves hylians can live a good deal over 100 years. It just made sense to me.
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Interesting theory. Personally, the part about the Hero of Time's tale being passed as a legend, which is also present in the japanese version, makes me believe some time has passed, but not too much. I always saw Daphnes as being either the son or grandson of OoT Zelda and the fllod happening around 100 years after OoT
100 years, compared to BotW's 10.000, is a relatively "short" period of time, after all
Personally it's far too unlikely for the gap between Ocarina of Time and The Wind Waker to not involve at least _200 years_ after Ganondorf's imprisonment as the _geography_ of TWW Hyrule looks staggeringly different to Ocarina of Time to suggest it took only a century for Ganondorf to break the Seal of the Sacred Realm and resume his conquest of the realm. Taking into account the relocation of the castle from what seems to be _Lake Hylia_ it must have taken at least a few centuries of endless prosperity for the kingdom to change shape and a new group of Sages to replace the old ones from Ocarina of Time.
Overall the evidence is far too plausible to suggest it took _far more_ than a century for Ganondorf to break free and repeat the cycle from Ocarina of Time.
“Its new excalibur style pedestal” killed me 🤣
I wonder if Ganon having the full Triforce in the downfall timeline strengthened the seal. He was unable to escape on his own, and had to create a puppet basically to even attempt to escape, and still wasn’t successful.
Its nice to see other games get theories again, was starting to feel burnt out on ToTK stuff in general lol. Great theory you guys!
Thanks Cato 😎👍🏻
Im pretty sure the king was murdered. He always dies. WW was the only game where he wasnt technically axed from the get go but he was still dead, same in BotW lol. In TP he died before the game syarted and zelda was on the eve pf her coronation as Queen of Hyrule when Zant attacked. So she technically remained a princess but was rightfully the queen
I find it interesting that I've never played Ocarina of Time and yet I get so excited to watch theories on this game. One day I will play this game.
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@@wizcatcheslightning Nice. Good to know.
this is something I've always wondered about but figured the king was killed when the castle was taken over since only zelda was saved.
Which is more than likely what happened considering his complete omission from story events by the time Link leaves the Sacred Realm. Zelda wouldn't be able to revive her father as the Triforce of _Wisdom_ does not have the power to reanimate the dead as the Triforce of Power does.
@@javiervasquez625I want to believe that kaepora gaebora is the king as said in gossip geists video
@@Elti979 The Gossip Stone on top of the maze in the Sacred Forest Meadow literally says _"It is said that the owl Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation of an ancient _*_Sage"._* ¿How could Zelda's father be one of the 7 Sages when ALL the roles are already fulfilled by another character?
@@javiervasquez625 did you see the video?
@@Elti979 ¿Did you play the game?
I have a few questions about this.
How long is "a short while" in Wind Waker's prologue? Castles can take some time to be built (also the Tower of the Gods, if it was built at that time), possibly even enough time for Zelda to have married and begotten Daphnes. "A short while" was apparently enough time for Jabun to take Jabu Jabu's place and become familiar with Daphnes, same with Valoo replacing Volvagia. Those two had to have been born after OOT but before WW's prologue since they speak Ancient Hylian and are familiar with Daphnes. Even Ganondorf expected enough time to pass for at least one generation to be born, since he says "I will exterminate your descendants" while he's sealed.
Where was the King in the ending cutscene of Ocarina of Time? We see soldiers and even King Zora, but no King of Hyrule.
Fado tells Link that the King used the Wind Waker to conduct the prayers of the Sages so power would remain in the Master Sword. He also asks Link to tell the King that he still plays his cello even in death, suggesting he is referring specifically to Daphnes. This would mean that Fado and Daphnes were alive at the same time, but there was already a Kokiri girl named Fado in OOT who was alive in the Adult Era. It seems odd for there to be two Kokiri with the same name in what appeared to be such a small community, so I would assume that the Sage Fado was born later and took the name of the previous Fado in her memory (perhaps even being her son since Sage Fado and Makar mention the blood of the Sages in their veins, meaning Kokiri have children).
The Gossip Stones aren't destroyed in the Adult Era, and Impa is still alive to pass on Sheikah magic. The Pirate's Charm likely used Sheikah magic since it was based on the Gossip Stones (which feature a Sheikah eye and require a Sheikah mask to speak to), and are glowing blue like the Timeshift Stones (which also have a Sheikah eye on them). This means that it wouldn't necessarily need to be the King of OOT who survived.
It's still possible he survived, but it doesn't seem likely to me because I don't think Ganondorf would have spared him since he planned on sacrificing the Gorons later. I always imagined he was murdered when he refused to give up the Ocarina, then turned to chase Zelda (prompting Impa). He didn't invade the castle alone according to the soldier in the alley. Why invade and attack if you aren't going to make sure you successfully killed your target?
Here's an interesting idea, though it may have some holes in it. Zelda's father in Skyward Sword is named Gaepora. His design looks very similar to Rauru, who is called Kaepora Gaebora in his owl form according to some Gossip Stones. Even before TOTK, I had wondered if he was secretly the King (though it's unlikely).
Sara you're by far the smartest person in this comment thread. Thank you for pointing the myriad of _facts_ which prevent this theory from being plausible.
Cant be that i start watching you two at the same time and then you collab so soon
Awesome video y’all!! loving this crossover👏👏
Thanks KT 😎
I have never seen that dead soldier in the back alley before. Thats incredible. Very grim for the setting of OoT, too. Seems more like something youd see in Majoras.
I agree - always made sense that Daphnes was also the OOT King
Problem is Ganondorf most definetly KILLED the king of Ocarina of Time after he attacked the castle in search of the titular Ocarina of Time and i seriously doubt that Zelda's Triforce of Wisdom has the _power_ (Triforce of Power anyone?) to revive the dead. This theory is already _flawed_ by dismissing the implications regarding the king's fate as of the ending of Ocarina of Time's Adult Timeline.
we need more theory collabs
The comments are appreciated regardless. Most discussions, theory related or not, are welcome, GL3 😎
Ganondorf's unaging however can also be explained with the Triforce of Power, this is part of the Full Triforce, and this specific artifact gives you immense powers, in Ganondorf's Case he became even more Powerful than a God - maybe more Powerful than the entire Hyrulian Gods-Tribe combined even. Meaning he must posess magic that the Gods also posess - among them is maybe eternal youth.
Aging has nothing to do with the Flow of Time, it is more a mix of processes that happen inside of your body and outside of your body that gets Influenced mainly by chemical reactions and other things.
And by becomming a being that is bigger in power than a God he even probably found a way to avoid natural aging by becomming something eternal
Essence of the golden goddess *Din* who _created_ the Zelda universe alongside her 2 sisters so yes you're very much right on Din's infinite essence been what granted Ganondorf to remain permanently youthful while sealed within the Sacred Realm all those many centuries ago.
Now I'm trying to think where the king could have been hiding in the future of OoT
Chillin on a beach in a land called Termina
Or simply dead buried underneath rubble next to Ganon's Castle (which is the most likely scenario).
Great theory! This two parter was really fun!
Glad you liked it!
For the next video, do Twinrova and why she is so important in Tears of the Kingdom please!
@a.jthomas6132 let me ask you this first…why do you think Twinrova is important to TOTK? Do you have evidence (other than Koume and Kotake in two cutscenes) that can help flesh this idea out more? I’m asking because it is something I’ve genuinely thought about before, and I’m interested to hear what you have to say.
@@wizcatcheslightning He keeps talking about Twinrova everywhere he goes regarding Zelda content so it's probable you won't get an answer from him in the least. Safe to say now that Aonuma has seemingly confirmed there won't be any DLC for Tears of the Kingdom we have to assume Koume and Kotake's appeareance in the memory was a simple easter egg reference with no relevance to the story whatsoever.
@@javiervasquez625 thanks for clarifying, Javier 😎
Excellent stuff
Ironically i found the bunker by going backwards
It should be noted that DEFCON 5 is what is more common. It's the lowest level of DEFCONs. DEFCON 1 is nuclear war, 5 is peace time.
Welp. It happens 🤷🏻♂️ 😅
Thanks for pointing that out
Odd that a claim here is that Ganondorf acted alone when there's dialogue in the game that denies this? For one, the pair of laughing joking guys in Hyrule Castle Town talk about how "one of those horses" almost stepped on them when Ganondorf and his followers, plural, came through to get to the castle. This is an event we're never shown but is implied directly by this dialogue. The backstory of ALttP also mentions Ganondorf and his followers, in plural, likewise (and also tells us he later vanquished them all). I'll remain fairly convinced that Ganon would have only exposed his treachery by outright killing the king, much like we see with Sonia in TotK, since afterward he would never have a chance.
We looked into that before making the video. The Japanese dialogue says plain as day that Ganondorf was the sole pursuer of Impa and Zelda. Just another English mistranslation to add to a long list.
Defcon 5 is the safest level... with 1 being most dangerous.
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WTFFF YALL BLOWING MY MIND
Blue glowing stone…… seems zonai in origin 😂
I'm certain OOT's king was killed by Ganondorf after Link collected all three Spiritual Stones. How else would Ganondorf be able to take over Hyrule Castle with Zelda fleeing? King Daphnes is the OOT King, but since it's the Adult Timeline, he's dead, evident by him vanishing in one cutscene in The Wind Waker and even being able to take form of a boat. It's his spirit being tied with the kingdom trying to prevent Ganondorf from conquering it again. We even see a similar thing to this happen with King Rhoam and the Champions in Breath of the Wild and Rauru and Mineru in Tears of the Kingdom.
Alright. Explain how a spirit can make a wish on the Triforce 🤔
@@wizcatcheslightning Same logic as how King Rhoam was able to interact with the world in Breath of the Wild as the Old Man
@@SonicTheCutehog you don’t see a spirit being able to make a Triforce wish being a huge plot hole?
The guy can possess a boat miles above him (that stops working once Hyrule gets completely submerged at the end of WW) and he can use the Pirate’s Charm to communicate 😅
@@wizcatcheslightning The boat stops working at the end of WW because his spirit is at peace with Ganondorf and Hyrule being no more. There's no reason for him to stay around.
@@SonicTheCutehog yeah, because he got crushed by water pressure. You can’t just conveniently side step spirits being able to make wishes on the Triforce 😂
That’s too huge of a loophole!
Good shit bro! So if 100 years hasn’t passed, how much time do you think has? Because if Daphnes had a daughter who ran to be safe when Hyrule flooded and the people surrounding This princess in the picture in Hyrule castle looks exactly like Terra’s crew, and tetra followed in her mom’s footsteps as a pirate to “take care of her crew”. If the timespan isn’t as vast as the translation indicates, tetra could be less removed from daphnes than thought Al with him being her Grandfather. With tetra being around 13/14 and maybe her mom giving birth a between 25-30, that puts the princess (Terra’s mom) as fleeing Hyrule around 30 years ago. But that math doesn’t add up at all 😂
Ok so the way we mapped it out is Adult Zelda > Tetra’s mother > Ganon’s return > Daphnes was around when Tetra’s great great great (great great?) grandmother was around (per the portrait) and sent her to a high peak while locking himself in the Master Sword chamber, effectively freezing the kingdom in time.
2-3 centuries later…we get the events of Wind Waker
@@wizcatcheslightning That sounds convoluted and wouldn't explain why Tetra herself wouldn't recognize the castle if her mother was the same princess who fled that very castle before it was flooded alongside the rest of the kingdom. I just can't find reason to believe this scenario given the many arguments to the contrary.
@@javiervasquez625 Tetra’s mother wasn’t the same princess who fled. She’s like 3-5 generations removed from that ancestor.
It was a typo so that’s my bad 😅
@@wizcatcheslightning Oh got it 😅 sorry if i sounded confrontational. 😓
I thought in twilight princess gannon was arrested pretty much for what zelda said would happen
Zelda’s prophecy + Link already having the Triforce of Courage
So in that picture of Zelda and the pirate crew in hyrule castle, is that supposed to be OOT Zelda? I’m confused
Those would be Tetra and her crew’s ancestors, who would be descendants of Zelda from the Adult Timeline.
Daphnes is clearly a dead spirit so that's why he can possess that boat. As for The Master Sword, you can't just take it out of the pedestal of time. There had to have been another hero that moved it during the time of the great flood. Keep in mind that the MS in OOT is in the same place it was in at the end of Skyward Sword. Rauru just changed the temple around it.
It's stated that when Link is sent back in time at the end of OoT, Zelda was in possession of the Master Sword in the Adult Timeline. She could have held off on placing it back into its pedastal so they could rebuild their castle, giving the Master Sword a newer more closely guarded location beneath it.
A spirit that moves on after Hyrule floods again, I could understand. But a spirit who can make a Triforce wish is where you lost me 😅
@GossipGeist That makes perfect sense, actually 😅 I forgot Zelda had the Master Sword in the adult timeline.
@wizcatcheslightning I just don't see how the king is alive, and he teleports everywhere in WW, like a ghost.
@nworder4life Think of the King as on the same level as Dumbledore. The dude is magic to the bone. However, due to Ganondorf harboring the Curse of Demise, a primal evil that defies space and time, among the level of a diety, the King of Hyrule is no match against him. He can only utilize his magic in other ways to defeat Ganondorf more subtly. He froze himself in time during the flood of Hyrule to preserve himself. Only 30-40 years have passed after Ocarina of Time until Wind Waker's Great Flood occurs. This is when the King, who is roughly 70 years old at this point, seals himself away inside Hyrule Castle, to then be reawakened 2-300 hundred years later during the events of Wind Waker.
It actually DEFCON 1 not 5, 1 is war is active and 5 is full peace.
Yeah that mistake was realized the first 24 hrs after production. Can’t exactly go back and change it
I think i know where part of the confusion is coming from.
When you describe the previous civil war you seem to assume its over and done with and the clear victor was hyrule.
Alongside that you approach the poisoning of the Deku Tree and the disabling of hyrules other allies as a recent event that happened after the war was already over.
As kids playing this game we would be like zelda and link in the garden. Ignorant of the actual tragedies of the recent civil war and confused why the king doesn't kill this evil man.
The king, on the other hand, was forced to afree to gannondorfs demands in order to end the civil war because gannondorf already had the alliesnof hyrule disabled.
Hyrule didnt just "win" that civil war. We don't know what was negotiated. What did the King offer to stop the fighting and get Gannondorf to bend the knee? That kind of thing is usually settled with a betrothal.
Speculation: i believe Link arriving in the garden and meeting Zelda there and Gannondorf seeing them changed everything. I think Gannondorf was missing something vital to accomplish his goals and didn't know what it was until that moment when the three key players were drawn together. Something clicked for him in that moment and he saw the missing piece that could unlock the temple of time etc.
¿Do we even know what the Hyrulean Civil War was about and how it was actually settled? For all we know it was simply an insurrectionist movement _within_ the kingdom trying to start trouble and destroy the Royal Family in order to take the land for themselves forcing the king and his allies like the Gorons and Zoras to take up arms to completley _destroy_ this insurrectionists and put a stop to their violence. There are no hints anywhere in Ocarina of Time which suggest the king went to war with an _another kingdom_ outside Hyrule so there's no reason to suggest he had to compromise something (such as marraiga involving his daughter) to put an end to all the fighting.
What you propose comes off as pure headcanon at best and pure fanfiction at worst.
awkward to not have a link to the companion video in the description
1) Thanks for pointing it out!
2) It’s difficult to do this when you set an early premiere time because you have to wait for the other creator’s video to publish before grabbing the link
3) The link is in the pinned comment and video’s endscreen
4) I’ll add the link now
5) Despite this,
@@wizcatcheslightning Thank you. It's the first place I look for relevant links and it's clear that no one else does. Luckily I noticed your pinned comment before I clicked away so got to check it out.
@@Kowzorz well thanks again for pointing it out 😎👉👉
I mean ,what if the king was rauru,like he speak with link through gaebora gaebora and also looks similar at appearance with the king from wind waker
I have to dislike this theory because of a few flaws made in the story that any true Zelda fans would know. You imply in the OOT parts that it is known that Ganondorf and Link have parts of the Triforce. If you are to touch the triforce and you are not of pure heart, it will split into 3 and one part will remain in whomever touched it. Ganondorf is a Greudo warlock and had magical powers when he attacked the castle, but neither he or Link had the a piece of the triforce. Link opened the path to the sacred realm and Ganondorf touched the triforce, splitting it, and keeping the the triforce of power. It was at that time Link gained the triforce of courage and Zelda the triforce of wisdom. How could the king have known Ganondorf had the triforce of power if he didn't have the triforce of power and the door to the sacred realm remained locked?
Young Link clearly has the Triforce of Courage at the end of OOT. It was emphasized in the video. Which is how the Divine Prank happens in Twilight Princess.
The Owl in Ocarina of time is actually Rauru the sage of light who resides in the sacred realm waiting with the other six sages he admits it after you beat the spirit temple at the Colossus.
Plus the Gossip Stone in the Sacred Forest Meadow gives it away if you talk to it while wearing the Mask of Truth.
Um... No he doesn't. It's been a while since I played this game, so I don't remember 100% what he said, but I'm pretty sure he said something about going to the castle to confront gannandorf or something(or was it to go back to the temple of time?...yea, to meet with zelda).
But I'm almost positive he NEVER said anything about him being the owl. To me, it FEELS more likely like the owl is probably the headmaster gapora from sws. There's a shieka stone somewhere that said of how the owl "Gapora Gabora" was a reincarnation of an ancient sage. A lot of people have made ties to this basically just being raru the sage. . Well... as much as I would like to show doubt in that claim, just maybe perhaps both of these claims are true. . . Raru... COULD be Gapora reincarnated... which then reincarnated again into the owl. . . But.. dunno. . . . .
Oh... but then I just remembered, the owl met with link for the final time after getting the mirror shield. . Well... I still don't think he still said anything too telling about his backstory even then. . . All I remember is how he sees the way how link keeps disappearing and re-appearing in odd places as very mysterious, and how he heard of stories of the boy who could travel through time... there was more dialogue, but can't remember. Just that it wasn't very important.
Can’t listen to a video where the narrator pronounces it Deekoo tree
Given your username, that makes total sense
The only set i like to use and consider canon in Tears is the Ocarina gear... ya hoo