The Truth About GTA "Competitor" 171 [Part 1]
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You're watching Part 1 of my two part series where we investigate the Brazilian Developer Beta Games Group's game "171." 171 is a "GTA competitor" game set in Brazil. The game was created with the support of backers on a Brazilian Kickstarter site, where funds reached 50,000 US Dollars. But what were these backers really buying?
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10:38 Asset Flip Controversy
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Please do not go and harass anyone who played 171 or advertised it- the game is not a scam, it was built with good intentions. It simply has questionable details surrounding its fundraiser's and development. I think there is a strong future in the game if they take the right steps moving forward.
Thank you !
When the language barrier aspect was mentioned, I was honestly expecting a segway to promoting a language learning app.
Brother I'm a solo game developer making my own car game
My own models
My own sounds even making tutorial of them
Not gonna lie i even spent 0$ for my game that has best vehicle physics to drift in canyons that taken from game modding sites
Now i am asking this
İsn't that weird spending thousand dollars for a buggy game?
@Dark_Space I'm going to ignore ur disclaimer and just harass the developers lol
@Manscaped how do you feel about a rich white boy in america shitting on poor brown brazilian devs. If you sponsor this shit, you're on the wrong side of things. Dare you to sponsor the 171 team instead, they are far more deserving than this youtuber
I think that there's a good bit of merit to just 7 people who didn't even know game development to start a project like this and compile it to be as big as it is. But yes, they absolutely should've been transparent about it. I'm sure plenty of people would have understood it if they just said "Since we are not experienced developers, we will be using assets to our favor while spending time and money donated to learn about how to make this project in a way that matches our vision" - or something.
Exactly
I'm Brazilian and I know everyone involved building this game.
One thing is for sure, they had tested their skills before, the problem with the game that is happening in Brazil is how they reached the public.
First, the game is tainted by the time and money they have already received. I had the opportunity to play it pre-Alpha and I'm not going to lie, it changed a lot of things but for a group that are said to be GOOD programmers (that's what they came to say) the game still sucks.
@@meterindo concordo.
@@meterindo I totally disagree. this being 6 people developing a game, and with a collective investment of people who helped them to bring a playable version. they managed to bring it and it's very beautiful. the game has problems only in optimization, this point is critical, but ACCEPTABLE, as it is still being developed.
you criticize in a childish and imbecile way, because it makes no sense to raise as a reason something that is not even finished, and putting the "lack of transparency" as an error. no indie game in the world advertised where it was spending its money.
they managed to keep the little they collected for 2 years of development, if you were honest and characterful people, they managed in less than 10 seconds to assimilate that this money collected by them would not take even 5 months if they had kicked the bucket and had opted for pay a programmer, which is extremely expensive, to fax basic mechanics from scratch.
any honest person with a minimum of empathy knows that every indie game starts with the use of assets, and with more advanced development time and with the entry of money from sales, they start to use their own mechanics.
the movement mechanics, for example, it's disloyal for the guy to put it as "he lied and bought an asset" even though the team has already said that they will make the original movements of all NPCs using MOCAP. they just haven't done it yet because it's alpha version, the use of mocap will only be useful when creating the movements and CUTSCENES of the story mode. it wouldn't make sense to spend time with mocap now just to create character movement, as they are implementing what will be used until the final version. just like an artist, whatever their field, always makes a sketch first, in the end they finalize everything in the most perfect way in view of their tastes and conditions.
the dog asset for example, "ANIMALIA"
added the charge as another asset implemented in the game. but it's not, the dev of the game that created it, as well as all the characters that are there. the bad character found animalia written in the prohibited and criminal reverse engineering he did, but the devs said they preferred to take it out and do it personally, as the person responsible for it only takes care of that area. you understand that the game has 6 people working on it, and not all of them make the game fasto. there are those who take care and respond to the public. there are those who only work with modeling. who program is only 2 or 3. and yet they have to take care of other areas. they always hold meetings, there is a lawyer who takes care of the legal part. nothing there is a mess like they think. they always open freelancers, it's a very complex business that no one has any idea about. they just judge thinking it's easy.
after 171, this djjr who maybe asked this youtuber here to make a video to denigrate the image of the game elsewhere, keeps saying that it's easy to do, with an asset it's easy and fast, and as he pointed out, it doesn't even cost much, with 3k you can make a game.but it's funny that we don't see any game made. It's easy but nobody does it.
7 people is enough to make a small game if they know what they are doing but in 171 and bgg's case there are 7 idiot doing something they don't know how to do its like saying it's normal for a normal person to just hop in the cockpit of a plane and fly it they won't even be able to start the engine with out help like for example if you know the Pakistan delivery company darewro my dad founded the company with a few of his friends and students he gave the initial like 5-10k usd investment and now the company is producing income of more than 1 million do you know why? Because they knew what they were doing if this was like bgg if they received an order they you call up karem(Pakistan version of Uber) and tell them to do it for like 10 pkr I personally am a developer not a big one just one on Roblox but everyone knows the assets I use and how I make them I literally shared my screen to discord to show I was making the game in this case even if I used or bought other people's assets they and the customer would know also I make my games free and people that watch don't even give me money like an investment and they know I use other people assets
Actual game developer here, the game industry heavily uses pre made assets in the early development stages. Thus said, pre made assets are commonly used for 3d models, so that the developers can concentrate on the game mechanics. Like you mentioned, 7 people are not enough, but in 12 years much more could've been done, especially if you even use pre made assets for the game mechanics. If you start such a big project with unexperienced devs, you shouldn't be crowd funding, you should set up a patreon or something like this, enabling people who are interested in your passion project to invest in it without any strings attached to it.
Programmer Analiyst here (UML;sql;architecture and more) and Developer (Mobile,web, low-level and game); yes we sometime use pre made assets in early development stages, mostly 3d models; to develop features, or sometimes we study some code and modify or try to understand what a piece of code does and make a total new one with what we want our program to do, what they have done is dishonest tbh; and yes much more could had been done with the time they had
They are not experienced developers, the learned by themselves and they only have 7 people now, before is was only 2 people
The game was restarted several times, with almost everything being dumped. They are fucking legends considering that they had to work 10 - 8 hours at the same time they build the game too. And at the time they began to develop, the minimal wage was way lower.
I really don't understand why people are so judgemental, even if they have no idea of the reality here in Brazil.
“Actual”
@@lukcarvalho3092 because it doesn't matter, if a game is good it's good, that's it. No one except brazilians will waste time playing this when there's something similar but better on the market. They were wrong trying to make a big project like this with no experience, they should've created something smaller to start with.
Cool story bro
The funniest part is that here in Brazil, "171" is the criminal code of embezzlement
kkkkkkkk é foda
Badger being the voice of BGG is pretty funny. The dude is probably the most wholesome GTA creator I've ever talked to.
yeah he has the best beta content videos
Badger has a great voice
What is BGG?
@@arianjamali6183 Beta Games Group, the "devs" of 171.
As a game developer I'm pretty sure this game will never be finished, just like Yandere Simulator.
That's because even in cases where the developers have good intentions, it gets exponentially (yes, exponentially) difficult to maintain and extend amateur/bad code as the game gets more complex.
Also, given how unoptimized the game already is in its early stages, where theoretically the game requires less resources to run, I really can't imagine the complete game running at at least 60 fps without it requiring a last gen PC.
Probaly.
Is that some kind of porn game?
I'm from Portugal and seeing you write "Portugies" instead of "Portuguese" made me laugh so hard. I got a lot of respect for you to put this video together. Keep up with the good work!
This was funnier than the people who change "mas" to "mais" 💀
Lmao
ronaldo cousin
Brazilian u mean?
Bora comer uma porra junto?
that was a lotta info to pack. I thought that 171 was just a small indie game tryna replicate gta but after watching this video I finally understand why the game felt like such an asset flip.
I had the exact same feeling man
I don't know, but I'm very happy to see badger and trip being a part of this video
ye, his voice is just so calming
Yeah as a brazilian i can say, 171 is a embarrassment to us
As a brazilian, I can confirm this
como brasileiro confirmo isso
Como português, concordo com vocês.
Como um cidadão do planeta terra eu confirmo isto
As a Brazilian I think this game weakens the Brazilian indie game market and the Brazilian game market in general, making supporters and backers trust less in the projects shown to us while at the same time embarrassing our gaming market worldwide.
Asset flipping is not that bad for small indie developers without the resources or workforce to create them, trying to sell them as their own creation and hide the fact they were bought is the bad thing.
Don't let cases like this one fall on other indie game developers who are trying to make their dream game, they need the assistance from supporters and sometimes asset creators who could need the money as well and have the solution to save days or months of development.
Yes I many Indie Devs do that and it's nothing to be ashamed of. Many people that complain don't even realise how hard is to make a game.
I myself take many helps to make my projects.
Honestly those kind of cases make many indie dev becoming insecure of using asset packs at all (myself included)
Tbh i really have no issues with seeing pre-made assets as long as the surrounding content within the game is good. I can say imo hardly anyone playing games is even going to know what Unreal Engine looks like, let alone what the assets and plug-ins are. 90% of gamers don’t create mods or create games they merely play for a good time, and so will never know what development is like.
I'm from Brazil.
and I already know the story of 171 for a long time,
Obviously the developers are crazy to think they would build something as complex as GTA using Kickstarter and zero experience.
this game was just a hype created and influenced by other youtubers in brazil, by the way brazilians tend to get very offended when something made in brazil gets criticism from other nations so just ignore them.
they are not defending the game itself but their own nationality.
Never heard of this game until a few months back. And it looks shady.
Oh so basically nationalistic fundamentalism
So they're like Peenoise
Just like "ada Indonesia cuy,"
That is sad
I’ve been following this project since the day it was announced but had completely missed this drama. Tysm for this video! Can’t wait for Part 2
171 graphics is what GTA definitive edition should’ve looked like
Exactly so true
huh ? the game is so ugly, i'd take the original ps2 graphics over 171's pure ugliness
@@BxPanda7 it’s ugly yes
But not as bad as D.E.
????
@@BxPanda7 dude... do you actually remember what these games looked like? I don't have them anymore, but when I downloaded some old GTA maps for BeamNG to cruise around in and watched some videos recently I realized how ugly these games look nowadays, but back in the day it was the sheet!
I hate the term gta clone. Because gta is not the none plus ulta. it's a open world action game. There are so much games that have this game mechanics. True Crime, Saints Row, Watch Dogs, LA Noire, Driver and much more.
Not only that, GTA 3 itself should be considered a Driver clone by that logic
It is the non plus ultra of open worlds indeed, it's not the first open world crime game but it's certainly the best
@@edm6302 and what a horrifically sad realization that is because of how incredibly low that bar is. If someone with true passion had that kinda budget, then everyone in the world would want to play that game
@Subreon Dude wake the fuck up, people nowadays give gta5 bad rep, but that's only because of the 10 yrs drought and gta online in the current state. That said you gotta consider that the base is still gta5: it, along with RDR2, are undoubtedly the best open world available right now becuase of their very definition. You insinuate lack of passion but these two rappresent living breathing world unlike any other, rockstar has always pushed the formula with much more features and polish, but what really sells the package is the level of detail. If you shoot a window and walk on it you hear the sound of the broken glass, that sort of shit is nowhere in the industry, certainly not on the scale they provide. And to play devil's advocate, as much as people complain about gtao, it is still so popular because the formula was a complete win and most importantly it makes the game still fun beyond every problem which admittedly are reaching a ridiculous extent
@@edm6302 when I say gtav could be so much better, I do mean the base game, and separate online. Both suck. Starting with massive downgrades from iv to cram v into outdated hardware, which wasn't reverted after moving to more powerful systems. Right off the bat it came out swinging a limp dick. The story features the most barebones alternative choices possible, where if you stray off the specific way rs intended the slightest amount, the mission will fail, so though the play area may be open, the story is linear as fuck. (That problem has only gotten more and more worse with online missions, grinding your options down to nothing to force a false sense of challenge instead of adapting the challenge to the skills and tools players have access to, and encouraging creativity). Dlc was stolen from story mode and slapped into online once they saw that money rolling in from non gamers like the ones that play shit mobile money sinks, ruining the space for real gamers. Online could've been something truly special. But the lack of even the most basic obvious development decisions completely fucked it. Opting to instead copy paste their own money sink formula with only a few extra minutes of newly created cutscenes and dialogue per drop. The rest of it's just been cars, most of which nobody asked for, and as any mod maker will tell you, is not that hard to make. Shit, rs even releases cars with mistakes while modders don't. It's embarrassing. They just do the bare minimum to keep the service running, and they hardly do that too, as seen yet again, by most recent events. While the fan made online mode of fivem features far more options, stability, and security. The positives like attention to detail you mentioned like stepping on glass from a broken car window, is not hard to implement. Other things could be mentioned like a character's feet standing on uneven ground. But all this shit today should just be bare minimum modern standards. Gta and rs have become dreadfully pathetic because they know they can get away with it, because most of their money comes from brainless rich mobile gamers with zero sense of standards to uphold from the older game industry when things were released fully done and polished. The last dying breathe of greatness from rs was rdr2, going as far as to give npcs daily lives. But then they saw how little its online made compared to gta online and quickly gave up on it, instead of getting creative with additional content fans actually asked for. They instead tried to copy paste their gta online update formula into it and nobody wanted it, cuz the mobile gamers weren't there cuz they don't like old stuff, like wild west settings. Real gamers wanted real content, and lazy cheap rs wouldn't provide, so they shut it down to continue their formula in online to the present day. The bar is so fucking low man. When are people gonna finally fucking put an end to this shit and bring out good games again? How much is it going to fucking take before everyone breaks... at this point it seems that's never going to happen. Instead they give up and leave gaming behind entirely, thinking they've "grown out of it" when it's really the lack of growing the games do. The only way to make people realize, is to show them myself. I need to make a competitor. Blow gtas doors off and show them the way. Polished release, kept promises, proper expanding dlc, listening to fans, supporting creativity, etc. If I can just get the funding, I can easily annihilate gta and build a new legendary title. Fuuuuuuuuuuuck it sucks being poor so much. Imagine all the people that die with great ideas because the world keeps them pinned down in poverty. Never being given the opportunity to shine. Just ground into dust with shit jobs and increasingly impossible bills. Let me shine dammit!!!
It is very embarrassing what they did and the worst part is that i knew since the crowdfunding started that something was off.
I did to this just felt like something that big fry would take a shit on however it was popular enough and I guess hidden enough to be missed that there was something off about this game and team...
Did you know ALMOST EVERY game uses assets in early phases?
They are not experienced developers, they learned by themselves and they only have 7 people now, before is was only 2 people.
The game was restarted several times, with almost everything being dumped. They are fucking legends considering that they had to work 10 - 8 hours at the same time they build the game too. And at the time they began to develop, the minimal wage was way lower.
I really don't understand why people are so judgemental, even if they have no idea of the reality here in Brazil.
Yeah crowdfunding for too ambitious games is always not a good idea
@luk lol legends at transparency too right?
@@mann_idonotreadrepliesThey don't have to disclose how they manage their funds. As long as they deliver, there shouldn't be a problem. It's a work in progress after all.
I am a professional Game Developer and I am saying this basing on many years of experience.
Using "ready made" assets is never an easy endeavour, period. There is no "ready made" solution for anything in games. Each game has its own characteristics, its own challenges to overcome and specific needs. More often than not, we buy assets to find inspiration or as a research on how to deal with specific feature / problem. There are some cases in which we use those assets, but we need to change the way they are implemented in order to integrate them properly into a game, and that often takes a lot of time. In all my years, only once I saw a ready made asset just dumped into the game, and it was horrifying.
I spent almost half a year trying to make satisfying car physics for my own private project. There are a lot of "ready made assets" yet none of them produced what I was going for. I needed all this time to select, accurately pin point certain features from several assets, and reverse engineer them into something useful. And I still need to improve and optimise the solution and change the way in which a car is defined, in order to, for example allow upgrades influence the car behaviour.
Just please remember. It's not as easy as it sounds
Junior Djjr has been saying this since the beginning but not one listened! He got death threats and people have gone after him for exposing the truth! Also he is an awesome gta San Andreas mod maker who keeps the game alive
Fake news
@@alissongoulart4961 nah fool, it's true
Sometimes I feel ashamed of being Brazilian.
From the beginning I suspected that the development was "Brazilianness". ALL developers involved, have 0 programming experience, they were just gta sa mods. I figured all they would do is buy assets and modify them, and that's fine with me, it's okay to modify assets you bought. But then I started to see exorbitant funding campaigns, I started to identify assets that were very familiar from other games by major developers, and I started to suspect fraud.
Unfortunately, it is not possible for me to create a video to talk about it, or if you want to comment on another video, because there is a lot of hype, and the Brazilian people are culturally very ignorant, they defend politicians with claws, when someone is convinced of something and decides to be a fanboy, it's practically impossible to argue about it. I would be slaughtered.
All I can do is watch stupid people donate money to this corrupt scheme and wait for the bubble to burst, when shit will rain everywhere.
GTA SA MODDERS*
They aren't mods irl ;)
Cara, se vc não sabe fazer um jogo custa muito mas muito caro, não é atoa que a rockstart gastou mais de 1 bilhão com o gta 6, fazer jogo é caro, não por causa dos assets mas pq vc precisa pagar funcionario, eles não trabalham de graça tem muitos custos, eles ganharam dinheiro de donate pra fazer o jogo mas esse mesmo dinheiro parte foi direcionado pra plataforma de apoio parte for imposto, se vc tem uma equipe de sete pessoas só em seis meses de salario daria 84 mil pagando só 2 mil por mês, e agora que eles venderam o jogo na steam, venderam muito, mas mesmo assim estão com mais de 30 funcionários, que não é nada barato de custear, não só salário mas impostos e outros custos, o jogo não é só assets, tem muito trabalho em cima, eles só deveriam ser mais transparentes em falar que o dinheiro era pra pagar funcionário, mas vc falar que é golpe aí vc tá de sacanagem, e falar mal de brasileiro pra gringo é paia.
USA have also culturally very ignorant people
@@PensamentoFilosoficoOficial igual o cara disse, BR pra defender esquema de fraude é dois palitos, os caras literalmente fizeram o maior esquema de fraude e você aqui defendendo eles, foram 10 anos, 200 mil e nem um curso básico de gamedev eles fizeram, ChoCho Charlie foi feito por 1 pessoa e em 1 ano, Hollow Knight foi feito por três e com troco de pinga, e foda-se se é paia falar mal de brasileiro pra gringo, o jogo é um scam, o pessoal do betagames é tudo 171 e quem defende esse jogo é idiota, os caras cobraram 12 mil pra colocar sistema de dia e noite, e adivinha, os assets que eles compraram já tinha esse sistema, até hoje sequer fizeram 1 missão de história, só missão de carona e entrega, esse jogo é o maior lixo que babuíno defende.
Fun fact, "171" is a brazillian penal code for something like "SCAM", which this game SURE is. I'm from brazil and i keep hearing about this game since 2013 and i remember hearing in 2013 that an alpha was being released. They delayed because of engine migration. This game had a great fuss with Brazillian youtubers (specially the teenager clickbait ones) because the map is, actually very close to some brazillian poor neighborhoods and this game had a "rice car tuning", similar to the awful cringe NFU2 visual tuning system and a lot of aspects from GTA SA wich was huge in brazil because of mods and the "hood/favela" feeling. GTA SA had a bunch of "Rio" mods and "São Paulo" mods and, no, we are not in the stone age of the ps2 anymore, despite it being a huge sucess here because of game disc piracy, we are not rolling around on PS5s and Series X's but kids had their PS4 or aliexpress used/old hardware (like xeons and RX580) still to this date those same "GTA RIO" kids love playing GTA RP pretending they are "the big criminal on the favela" because aparently kids in brazil like to embrace the "favela" culture instead of just runing away from it (and for the brazillians butthurt, i was born in a favela, i managed to get out of it when i weas 15 and that was the best thing my family did). Terrible culture for a bunch of idiots spreading this shit. This game is just a big 12 years scam and people still fall for it.
great vid, however a big flaw in the perspective here is that the spare copius ammounts of money, even for a team of that size, is committing to paying their developers, you know, so they can survive and actually make the game, more money available = more time worked on the game because of motivation = a greater experience, time will tell but for a dev team of 7 people, its looking pretty promising
To be fair, competition is good, so I wouldn't call it a 'clone' in a negative way, rather a competitor as you said.
Also compiling dozens of high quality pre-made systems together isn't a bad thing in my eyes, they need as much help as they can get and nobody else is making Brazilian GTA right now
As a Brazilian, this directly stains any type of crowdfunding, I am a filmmaker and since last year I have a project on the Catarse platform, it is terrible that people trust projects like these and at the same time ignore original projects that can change everything a concept, I hope that the public ministry will intercede on this and finally bring the facts to the light of day
The truth is:
They were making the game for brazilians, not for the rest of the world.
Nobody even cares how we live, they won't understand any meme reference they added to the game or anything.
@@AnekoGT você esta com raiva colega? esse seria o argumento mais idiota que ja ouvi
@@PhillCallaham haha
Ministério público? Kkkk
@@terryjohnson8373 funny enough how you say that when you misspelled "your" in your comment.
i mean, if you think about it, 50 thousand dollars isnt a lot in the grand scheme of gaming development things, a 50k gta clone is like a fraction of GTA 5's 265 mil budget
yep, should have asked for more. (but also 50k usd is a lot in Brazil)
@@DarkSpaceStudios kinda. i'm brazilian man, 50k is a lot for poor people, yes, but for game development it isnt. To bring a comparison, a Jeep Renegade costs around 50k usd new here (200odd k brl). to make a 3d game using only 200k brls is actually quite cheap, specially if you include taxing, which can go up to 25% on amounts like those, then you have dollar fluctuation and exchange rate, which means that the amount they receive wont let them buy the same amount of stuff depending on how the next day's dollar cost will be. theres also labour aswell, people dont work for free down here. so if they are contracting people to code for them or 3d model for them it gets expensive quick
No as a game dev myself, I think it's pretty soild efforts even if they use ready made assets. They did their best being a 7 members team.
It's not the fact that they reused game assets, it's the fact they had a fundraiser pretending they were gonna do otherwise
GTA will always be king. I wish there was competition, but there isn't any.
I REALLY want there to be competition. Just there isn't competition doesn't mean that GTA is a perfect game no game is perfect
@@Extreme2SwaggerHD Agree, they always add something cool but downgrade something from previous games.
Can't wait for gta 6, hope it's worth the wait. Fuck online.
If only I could get the funding... hard to get very far on Walmart money
BadgerGoodger can't be in enough videos, that voice
As long as the resulting game delivers on the promises and works as advertised, I don't see anything wrong with using pre made assets. Most won't even remember that but when Half Life 2 was released everyone praised Valve for "their" water shader, even accusing other game developers of stealing until it turned out, that Valve just used an externally made shader that every developer who wanted it could buy.
Im brazilian and ill say something that everyone will agree, our country doest have alot of representation in games só when People saw 171 every brazilian saw it with Rose tinted glasses and gave money/bought just bc was made by a brazilian.
Ironically, 171 is the code for the embezzlement law
O mais triste dessa situação é ver brasileiros defender esse jogo como se fosse o maior projeto indie brasileiro de todos os tempos sendo que tem muito jogo promissor ai que poderia ganhar suporte mas passa batido, pessoal não quer encarar a realidade que os desenvolvedores tão passando a perna neles
Mas mano, na vida nunca mais teremos um jogo de tiro que se passará no brasil. O jogo tá ruim? TA! mas ainda tá no beta. E se a gente colocasse um gringo para fazer isso, eles colocariam esteriotipo clássicos como: casa suja, npc boca suja. Mas enfim mano tomara que esse projeto de certo😫
Brazilians are always weirdos
Sim. Até a parte do mapa eles fizeram um trabalho interessante, porém depois o jogo virou só um aglomerado de assets que ficam tentando juntar sem levar em conta otmização e os diversos bugs que isso gera. Marque o que irei dizer aqui, esse jogo NUNCA irá ser lançado COMPLETO. O código possivelmente está muito ruim e de dificil manutenção (ainda mais desespero em jogar assets no meio disso tudo), eles provavelmente não tem nenhuma metodologia para agilizar o desenvolvimento deles (por exemplo no gta san andreas criaram uma ferramenta para fazer missões). Fazer um jogo é muito mais complexo do que pegar um mapa, lotar de assets e torcer que tudo funcione nas mil maravilhas.
Para esse jogo ser uma realidade ele deveria ter um investimento milionário e pessoas se dedicando exclusivamente a ele
@@vinicius51905 Concordo com você man, GTA 1 teve investimentos milionários na sua ascensão e foi por esse motivo que a DMA design conseguiu lançar o game. Quando a ambição é muito grande além do que a equipe consegue entregar é complicado.
It's actually impressive that you can make a GTA clone for so cheap.
You clearly didn't see the level of details in the game
Not even ubisoft did something even near the enrichment
Also, you would never understand the work they had to put on this, since all you see is fucking assets they bought
Games are not made from assets
and this game is NOT EVEN FINISHED
Indie game developers from all over the world uses assets till the final product, why are gringos only looking at this specific game to talk shit about? Impressive.
No, we are not. Watch Dogs and Saints Row received the same flack and those came from AAA developers.
@@lukcarvalho3092 to be fair, WD2 and WDL were great-- I actually enjoyed wd2 almost as much as gta, even with its flaws
@@solared they're AAA games, 171 is a still developing indie game
Yeah, you can make a GTA clone for cheap. Making a GOOD GTA clone however is something else entirely.
Another well-crafted video from this channel! I remember originally hearing about 171 from TheProfessional, & getting pretty excited about seeing a new GTA competitor, as we need to see more of those. But hearing about the way everything was handled behind the scenes is very disappointing.
And it's funny because they could've just made it clear from the beginning that they were going to use pre-made assets & tools because they were a small dev team that didn't have enough experience, instead of setting your backers up to think that everything was going to be made from scratch.
5:06 As a Brazilian, I can say that we definitely aren't proud of that shit.
They aimed to create something much bigger than they could do without having the knowledge, a disgrace to the Brazilian game development scene. Part of the blame goes to the Brazilian RUclipsrs who created the hype and advertised the game as Brazilian GTA.
It's allmost like a joke
The money to unlock goals is not just for the goals, but for the marketing and paying programmers, it's for the entire game, and the accusations sound like the assets are implemented by themselves, they need to pay programmers to do this. And even in Brazil programmers are paid in dollars so they didn't ask for a lot of money for a game like that
Sounds more like an excuse than an explanation
Bro your editing is amazing.
Not only did I realized how much of an asset flip the game really is, also the innumerable antics surrounding the development of 171.
@Hybrid Soggy Mango they've worked on this for 12 years, set up goals that they could not achieve, stolen money from people practically, and shit like this (and possibly more) just sets a bad precedent. Nobody likes food from a restaurant that isn't made with fresh ingredients. Games that just flip assets on the fly while lying about development should be held to that same principle.
@@NepuSoggyMango they stole money from people. Fuck em.
@@NepuSoggyMango yeah, give lying, stealing scammers a break. 🙄🙄🙄
@Hybrid Soggy Mango staying in the past? What? Playing better games from a time when developers were honest and not up their own asses? Copium.
Yeah, back in the early 2000s, companies used the same engines all the time, but at least they made their own assets and were honest about it. I don't like what happened in 2013, but nothing of what we say or do will change the awful direction that Rockstar is taking still.
I was honestly surprised by 171, but even I knew that there was still a lot to be done. At the time, most of us didn't know about what was going on behind the development. Now that we have seen it, at least now we have the choice to either reward that behavior or punish them.
It's one thing to use assets from other games, but that isn't inherently bad as long as it's built upon and everything else is original works. We're talking about core gameplay elements such as a day and night cycle, wanted level system, guns, and even the physics and driving. If you say you need this much money to implement or build _something,_ then that sends a rather black and white picture to donors: they'd build a system of their own right?
@@NepuSoggyMango Why do people always compare gta to everything
Dang bro every single time I watch you’re videos I get blown away by the production quality. Keep it up 👍
Just because the minimum wage is lower doesn't mean you can live the same way with minimum wage PCs for example are even more than in the US they should be more clear but it's still an achievement to make a map like this and other stuff with such a little budget that would only work for a game with a much lower scope
So, one of the major problems of this game is without any doubt the fanbase. When the game got announced like 9 years or so, it was just a idea of a concept, a GTA game taking place in Brazil. The average brazillian who was alive in the PS2 era has great memories playing the 3D era GTA's and because of this we have a HUGE comunity of youtubers who make exclusive GTA content, when a "Brazillian GTA" was announced, they simply started doing hundreds of videos about it, and the game didn't even had any footage or demo, anyone who DARED to criticize anything was immediately hated. For me, isn't any surprise to see how the game came out. Those same youtubers who inflated this game's hype are now trying to cover up all the problems. I grew up watching news about this game and it hurts so much that over all brazillian projects, THIS is the one who gets visibility, a poor managed scamming game. I hope this game doesn't discourage people to play other brazillian games.
(sorry if the text got confusing, as you imagine, english isn't my first language.)
good video, A hug from Brazil
Welcome back, Ocean! Great video!
Interesting video. I heard about 171 some weeks ago and I thought it looked good after watching a video. I forgot about it until now and this information surprises me.
Can assure you that as a brazilian, the worst part of all of this debacle is dealing with people that defend 171.
Seeing that they made multiple DDOS attacks on the guy who exposed the asset flips and even harassed him and tried to make him lose him job (and also harass some other people for complaining about the massive asset flipping), i think it gives a good idea how lovely, calm, and rational the 171 fanbase is.
If you ever have the misfortune of entering a "discussion" with these people, expect the following
1. "b-but it's made in BRASIL, so you HAVE to support it no matter what, or you're a TRAITOR!!!11!"
I don't even think i can give you all the extent of how much they love to say this. Every single time they always try to refute whatever criticism with a variation of it. Constantly spewing nationalistic stuff in the hopes of guilt-tripping everyone onto believing that if you hate this mess of an asset flip, you somehow hate this nation and everyone that lives in here, which is a great and convincing argument... expect that it isn't, not only because they sound so nutjob-y, but because every rational brazilian hates here and hopes to someday leave this cursed corrupted nation. But if you still wanna try having a rational argument, then get ready for
2. "you don't know anything about game developing. asset flipping is 100% fine especially for a small team and they're definitely not overcharging for what they're producing"
Feel free to argue if this is a good argument or not, but i point this out because before MixMods exposed the asset flips, the same 171 fanboys always attacked everyone that dared to say the game had even a single bit of asset flip. Anyways, if you still try to argue with them, then watch then get back to square one and go on until you get tired of talking with something that resembles more of a ultra-nationalistic quotes bot than a living human being.
Overall, this whole debacle makes me mad not just because of the rabid fanbase and how it's giving massive fuel to stupid nationalists, but because it's an absolute shame that the main face of the brazilian game industry is currently this. So many great games and our main representant is a stupid deceiving asset flip that's in development since 2015, with one of the only positive things about it is that at least the devs are (still) not egotistical enough to make this the brazilian Yandere Sim.
I just want r* to experience pain
Nenhum brasileiro racional é vira lata igual seu comentário afirma, na real a maioria deles nem sequer odeia o país, e sim a política, boa parte dos que vivem fora ainda vêm passar férias aqui, e ainda comentam das belezas naturais e até artificiais, não sei de onde você tirou essa merda, mas tá longe de ser a verdade da maioria das pessoas.
Brazilian Ultranationalist are kinda similar to Indonesian ones
@@kotarojujo2737 ultranationalists are similar from literally every country in the globe, that's why it's called ultra- nationalist, hence claiming anything that comes from said nation is the greatest thing ever made bla bla bla
People have brain and defend the truth, We defend the 171 because the accusations are very dumb and far away from reality and good sense.
Great video! Well done!
as a brazilian,its great to see someone from other country covering the game
171 is literally the Brazilian penal code for emblezzement, it's not surprising at all that this game is just an elaborate scam.
Your video is insanely good. I remember a few years when i was in middle school, seeing this game being developed by Brazilian people, i would love to play it.
Now im just sad that this was the situation of the game...
If for some case, in any future case you need to translate things in portuguese and need some help, i would love to help you (Even tho i think this situation will never happen again lol)
Wow! Insane! Amazing animations and presentation put into this! Good stuff! 😅😁👍🏻
As a Brazilian, I appreciate that the scenario represents Brazil, and I’m not very interested in the other aspects. Some people argue that the funding should have gone to more experienced developers, but the problem is, experienced developers tend to be based in developed countries and ignore us. Sometimes Nintendo doesn’t provide a translation to Portuguese, even when we are their biggest customers. So I don’t care about NA, EU or Asian tigers. I’ll support projects from Latin America that resonate with me.
Wonderful analysis
I knew someone outside of Brasil would make a video like this, i waited so long for this..
Brazilians don't see that this is garbage
It's good to see you, Dark Space. :3
I am not a game developer but did quite alot of stuff the the Unreal Engine and I can guarantee it still takes way more time than you could ever pay from this money to implement this stuff properly.
Love to hear non-Game Devs be wrong about Game Dev. That's not an asset flip, and even so, you cant just copy and paste, it don't work like that, you still have to make various systems work together, often needing to re-design it to work with existing systems. I could care less if a small studio BOUGHT models to use in a game, because its not just an empty map with the assets, its a whole game environment of physics, interactions, animations, UI etc. lmao
INSANE VID AS USUAL!
Brazillian here, this game story is a bit complicated... This game is the example of what hype can make with a game, in the bad way at the point peoples think that 7 develpoers can make the next gta 69, and the developers trying to do everything what the community think the devs can do, and why transparency in projects like this is important.
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Perfect pronunciation bro, I love it
Thank you for understand the situation we are having about that game.
There are great game developers based in brazil. Reiza Studios for example are an excellent and beloved developer of sim racing titles. Bullshit like this stains their reputation and thats just not right.
Reiza is awesome, turned the pcars engine into a great sim
Bruh, unfortunatly I have to break your argument, as Reiza's "games" are just mods of rFactor 1 and Project Cars 2. They are really well made, but they're still mods and they sell them as "games using the same engine". It's as if Rockstar sold a GTA San Andreas Rage Edition, but it's just a mod for GTA 4 or 5.
But I agree, there are great indie developers in Brasil that deserve more attention
Great video, and I get you gotta do what you gotta do. But it's kinda funny having an ali express special (man scaped) ad in this video lol
I don't think this developers understand what "From Scratch" means. It's about making your own thing. Using assets will only make it more like GTA/Watch Dogs and Saints Row Clone. Eventhrough Saints Row also started as a GTA Clone, it still had It's own uniqueness in humor and game mechanics that made it stand out.
depressing, it'd be good to see a legitimate competitor to GTA that wasn't a scam. R* isn't much better by comparison
Your pronunciation of Reais is pretty impressive. I'm looking forward to the next video.
Lol this wasn’t even good enough to be called a gta competitor in the first place
Super cool to see a indie brazilian game developed by a group of guys 25 km from my city in your channel 😅👌👌
You know it's bad when the only well-known games made in your country are Agario, Brutal Doom, Bad Rats, and 171, with one of them being a mod for an American game.
Brutal doom is great
Street Chaves?
Your country is American too
Nice that Trip is in here he’s underrated
"This game promises to deliver a 100% Brazilian experience"
-small group of shady people uses foreign assets to scam others out of money
...They didn't exactly lie...
This is a Very prejudiced commentary
L take
Notice how no one is telling me im wrong
@@KIISwitch im telling
@@JulioCesar-ub1yg oh no!
My brain seconds into this video: “Trip?! Badger?! Let’s go!”
Oh man this is going to be good
i was super excited for 171 but when the alpha was released i realized it was a asset flip. i don't know how many years i waited but i wont even spend a dime on this game if or until its not a asset flip
I'm hooked
this video needs subtitles in Portuguese to be seen by as many people as possible
Yes!
3 months later...
One thing that annoys me is that we Brazilians are specialists at making ourselves look untrustworthy. Whenever you see some big project there's always drama, low quality, low effort. It's a mix of trying too hard, not possessing enough skill, aiming too high and god knows what else. Luckily this isn't a rule but those cases highly overshadow the few good examples of people doing things in a minimally decent way.
For everything there's a right way and the wrong way. Usually the wrong way happens because they gotta take shortcuts. Ugh. Whyyyy.
Concerning LOD in GTA, the car models are in two types. One model is in high polygon count( 15,000-20,000 polys) and the other low level (13k poly to less) such that, when the cars are closer to the camera the high polygon one shows and further away the low poly shows.
This feels like a game that was started with good intentions but lack of experience and over ambitiousness made it a run of the mill asset flip
Finally someone is talking about it
It's sad to see the gaming industry not evolving too much here in Brazil even though we're the 3rd country that buys games the most
this is the biggest Punch in the face i ever seen
this video is great
I think these people have definitely put some work in for a small amount of money as far as the scope goes.
171 is like mods packs for GTA But for unreal engine.
When people say “I ARE GOING TO BRAZIL!” They actually mean you’re going to 171
¡Que buen video!
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To be honest, I think there's so much left to do in this game that I don't even blame them for trying to save costs. They'll eventually have to pay royalties for actors and proprietary music. Sure, they should be more clear to where the money is going to and they should employ more people to finish this, but to be able to pull of a world like that with only 7 people? I just hope they pick up the pace better and start to employ more people to finish this game, they way it is, it will never finish.
I was not expecting this case to go outside brazil
I am feeling a coffezilla vibe and I loved it
id genuinely love a well-rounded gta-like game set in brazil. i wish this were it...
As a Portuguese person from Portugal, i know that many people from brazil emigrate to my country because Life in brazil is hard and terrible in a lot of places.
I dont think much more could be done in the first few years because they are only 7 people with 0 experience and they probably do it as a hobby that recently became known. they lied in somethings but that was most likely because they needed some more money. they had no experience soo no i dont think more could be done cuz trying to program with 0 experience is frustrating as hell
yeah but lemme be honest, with such evidences around these guys they are probably scumbags who tried to make money the easy way and managed to do it. But now with their amount of money they probably have a chance of doing something better with the game, cuz now they have money to idk... HIRE SOME ACTUALL DEVS. Also i dont know other games made by brazilian teams, so just cuz of the fact they were able to get this amount of popularity and attention kinda surprises me. but well see
Every studio developer less than 20 people in their company and using unreal/unity as their main source of engine, i knew there's gonna be something sketchy on it
17:09 Y'know, this response is at the very least, freaking insulting, Junior has been modding games since he was a kid, and he has actually developed games from the ground up, without having to buy every single feature and asset on it, you can look that up in his webpage.
If anything, Junior is in an exceptional position to tell BGG how a games gets developed.
bro don't want the developers to eat 😭😭
Well, all the money they received for the junk product that is "171" has already fed them for about 10 years
What they asked for and cried for "donations" was a joke
About the title... a quote from the brazilian Federal District Court of Justice website (ran through Google Translate):
"The famous crime of Article 171 of the Penal Code basically consists of the practice of scams, in which the criminal deceives the victim to obtain some kind of advantage, most often in money."
Yeah, sounds about right.
It really feels like a Brazil simulation…especially at the part, where the people get robbed!
literally 🤣
"171" in Brazilian Portuguese can be used as a way to call someone a liar. Great choice for the game's name.
One look at the gameplay and its obvious that this is asset flip... but trust me, as someone who spends most of days browsing through indie and AA studios. The did a "decent" enough job, to START raising the money :)
Thanks for calling these idiots out
Most of game do asset flip or similar thing.
Examples
Some car in GTA IV and GTA V are same. Interior are sometime shared with other car.(This applies to lot of game. Forza Horizon 4 Mercedes Unimog, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Cadillac Limousine, and Forza Horizon 5 Unimog, Grand Cherokee, Limo are literally same
Building are often copy paste even it not pre made asset.
Looks like a vision beyond their team.
For me, I would love to make a game but I have no knowledge on how to code/make assists so I just end up using Free Assists to help me out well I still do some stuff myself to the best of my ability (what's not very much)
I would never ask people to pay for my games in their current form, if you wanted to donate to me sure whatever that's your choice but I would not ask you for Money to get a day/night system that I took off the asset store store for a few dollars because that's a scummy thing to do, especially since it's not my code/my team's code (if I had a team)