Just upgraded from the reverb G2 to the quest 3, super happy with the resolution but I cannot for the life of me get it running smooth with msfs2020, tried your vids many times but still horrible. 3090ti ohh and the audio stutters.
@@142nd_Bama I have tried the Quest Pro (twice actually), but for me, I didn't like the comfort, low resolution, SDE and wobbly passthrough. I loved the lenses though which are now in the Quest 3.
Update: I finally got my replacement Crystal last week, after sending my defective one back in November. If you get a defective unit, REQUEST A REFUND and buy another if you choose. The exchange process was painfully drawn out. Now that I have a working Crystal, I love it! Coming from Reverb G2.
Can you explain what the issue was? My came and for the life of me I can get a clear picture. Its like the lenses are misaligned. They told me to try a spacer thing I told them to RMA it. worst fitting headset Ive ever had on my head.
@@Despiser25 I had a dead pixel in one of my screens, so I can't really diagnose what you have going on. Check to see that you have auto IPD adjust enabled in your Pimax settings. As for the fit, get yourself the comfort strap that goes across the top of your head. Makes a massive difference. With it, I can wear the headset for long periods of time without discomfort.
Wow, EXCELLENT video, Steve! Thanks so much for your assessments of the best headsets for both beginners and more experienced VR Flight Simmers; your videos are always extremely informative and level-headed, and I, at least greatly appreciate it. Also, I now find myself thinking about looking more closely at the Pico 3, despite its seeming "outdated" specs. I have quite a few PCVR games, and I'd like to have the experience of seeing how they look direct for the can, so to speak. Again, awesome video... thanks!
I just upgraded from a Rift S to a Reverb G2 after winning one on EBay for less than £100👍 I have been very happy with the Rift S but am absolutely blown away with the clarity on the Reverb. So long as I don't upgrade to Windows 11 I'll hopefully good too keep using this for long enough to justify the small outlay :)
I made the same upgrade a few years ago. The Rift S was just too blurry for me, ok for the likes of IL2 but for DCS and MSFS where you need to be able the read the screens it just wasn’t up to it. The G2 was brilliant, and paired with a 4090 I could start running IL2 and DCS at native Render scales. I upgraded to the Crystal earlier this year. Clarity wise it’s on a different level, but I found that to get the very best out it my MB, CPU and RAM were a bit underpowered. I’ve just taken delivery of a new PC and that should, hopefully, solve those problems. Get my flight sims on an M2 drive with a 14900 CPU and 64Gig of fast RAM, paired with a 4090. But I do agree, the G2 is a brilliant headset.
I bought the Reverb G2 in 2021 when it was released. It was my first VR headset ever (and also the only one until today), I found it so terrible that I returned it directly after 2 days of testing. The FOV is bad, but what is much worse is the sweetspot. It was only sharp in the very middle, everything else not. Maybe I'm expecting too much from VR, don't know. But I said to myself: If this is what VR headsets can do nowadays, then this technology is still FAR away from what I think is acceptable. Now we are 3 years further and I'm hoping to find something that's significantly better than the Reverb G2 without needing to pay >1000€/$. I will probably have a look at the Quest III, seems to be a good overall package.
I just purchased the Quest 3. For the most part it looks pretty good. Better than my PSVR2 in any case; however, the setup using all of these software packs like virtual desktop and XR toolkit is a PITA. I'm going to use it for a bit but I'm not sure that I want to keep it as it was 800 dollars Canadian, not including taxes, and I'm not sure it totally satisfies me. The Pimax sounds like it has better visual quality, but the downside of that headset is the massive size of it.
Yes!! It is a royal pita trying to get it to work with dcs. I’d rather just buy another headset specially for dcs and that also has an hdmi connection for my graphics card
I got the Pico 4 bnew at the sale price of 250usd same as a Quest 2. It was a steal and am happy for my sim gaming both flight and racing and it works much better with VD vs my old Quest 2 on VD
They are selling 5GB for £469, if they could sell one with QLED local dimming & Thunderbolt 4 (40Gbps) port. USB-C uses the Thunderbolt port so it may be easier with regard to using the same body. QLES is more energy efficient so would improve battery life...
Great video thx, i must say using the link cable on the quest 3 with some changed setting in the oculus debug tool ,kayak mirage jungle level (all settings on max and even supersampled ingame)looked stunning and very close to the pimax crystal but with a far better sweetspot and and because off the edge to edge clarity the FOV feels bigger for me… These settings change the quest 3 to a highend pcvr with the link cable.
You can really start to tell the difference when using it in flight simulators with tiny instruments, but for general gaming and looking outside of the cockpit, I totally agree the gap shrinks. Thanks for watching :)
Funny how us humans are so very different from one person to the other, everyone's eyes and head shape so very different. A few YT'ers have mentioned Screen Door Effect (SDE) for the Quest 3 yet I see zero SDE with mine but since using the Quest 3, I now see very faint SDE in my Reverb G2V2. Agreed, the Quest 3 is hard to beat, it's optics are incredible for it's price point, as for compression, it is a LOT better than the Quest 2 or Pico 4 (old XR2 chip). I'd say very close to the G2 but not quite there, the G2 still offers a bit better clarity especially for things in the distance. Personally, for anyone thinking of getting a Pico 4, save a little more, the Quest 3 is quite a bit better (yes, I have both HMDs). The thing you have to keep in mind as Steve mentioned, you will have to budget for a aftermarket head strap, the stock one is pathetic at best and extremely uncomfortable, something like the BoBoVR M3 or new S3 (expensive) makes the Quest 3 a joy to wear. :)
@@VRFlightSimGuy I doubt Varjo will be spending any time or resources soon on making the XR4 compatible with any flight sim software, as it is being aimed at designers and other commercial users.
VR is getting weird and messy with good VR headset going away and MS ripping out WMR soon.... Time & my wallet will tell what the VR future is still going to be there or not. I hope it does. Thanks for the recap of all the headsets so I can start to plan for the future.
@@VRFlightSimGuyVR has been here since the 90s (and arguably the same technology just improved). The problem is it is regressing to a niche product as it was due to lack of optimizations, software, difficult to use etc.
what is the best way to run a VR flight sim setup? Im wondering mainly RE: real life controlls/buttons/joysticks/flaps etc etc etc and not being able to actually see them while wearing the VR headset
I guess the Pico punches a little above it’s weight class because of the direct connection to PC unlike the Quest. That makes sense.. I love my Quest 3 though :)
So under 400$ the best for the price would be either the Pico pk4 or the pico neo 3? I think before I was leaning towards the neo3 but I don't remember why. I do wear glasses so that also effects my decision.
Great roundup as always Steve! What kind of world do we now live in that the Crystal ($1600) is the Mid-level HMD LOL! I've pretty much decided I'm done buying new VR Headsets until someone puts some OLED displays behind Aspheric Lenses... or in 10 Years when all my current headsets aren't working anymore... whichever comes first.
Cheers mate. To be fair most would argue the Quest 3 is the new mid ranger, but I'm far too sensitive to compressed video and there is a substantial difference between even the Reverb G2 and Quest 3. I'll have much more info on the Somnium VR1 next month, it's definitely one to watch. Perhaps the Aero 2 we have been wishing for. Best wishes.
@@VRFlightSimGuyInteresting... are you seeing that much compression in the Quest 3? What router are you using or are you linked up? I hardly see any on my setup.
@@GYGOtv Sorry when I refer to compression, I don't necessarily mean network settings (although my internet and wifi isn't great), but even using link I can see that I'm not getting such a powerful, direct signal and the image is much softer on gauges as a result. For something like Half Life Alyx, it's a non issue.
@@VRFlightSimGuyGot it, just FYI I had much worse image quality when connected by a cable than when I used Virtual Desktop... don't know if a better router would help you or not, but then again why? You have the Crystal. I just value your opinion and found the topic interesting.
I've had MSFS since the first month it was available, but have not tried a VR headset yet. Asobo's implementation of multiple view windows and auxiliary control panel screens is still not as good as what FSX had, so I have been waiting to see if Asobo can at least get MSFS running on regular computer monitors as well, if not better, than FSX before I dive into VR.
I don't understand this standalone concept of the Quest III with its internal memory, battery etc. Can I use this headset by simply connecting it with a cable to my computer and playing games (mainly MSFS) from my computer, without needing to install anything on the headset itself and can it be loaded via cable (so no hassle with very limited battery capacity)?
If you use the Quest 3 connection via the link cable, it is not enough for power and the battery in the headset still drains, because the USB on the PC can only provide 0.5 A of current, the headset consumes 18 W. But there is already a perfect solution, on e-shops you can buy 5 m long cables to connect the headset to the PC, which have a box near the USB port to the PC, in which there is a connector into which the Quest 3 charging source is plugged. This provides enough current and the headset does not discharge and you can play for an unlimited time .
@@Thunderbird1337 Congratulations on a good purchase. You beat me to it, I'm going to buy a Quest 3 myself. I use a HTC VIVE Pro headset for flight sim, but even though it has an AMOLED display, it doesn't suit me anymore. It has a low resolution of 1440x1600 per eye and the sharpness is only in a small spot in the middle because it has fresnel lenses. The horizontal FOV is 98 degrees. The weight of the HTC VIVE Pro is 800 g. Quest 3 will have all these parameters better. I'm not willing to pay for expensive VR headset because the replacement cycle is always 2-3 years and then something a level better will come along.
Hey Steve, would you happen to know what the focal distance is on the upcoming Somnium VR1? I got to try the Crystal recently and the clarity is amazing but I found myself suffering progressively worsening eye strain whilst sim racing and came to the realisation it was due to the 1m focal distance they’ve used instead of the 2m industry standard. The result was the same eye strain fatigue you feel on typical VR headsets when you try to focus your eyes on objects less than half a meter away but this time it was happening for far distant viewing on the crystal whilst sim racing. (For reference, I have 20-20 vision). Many thanks in advance!
@@VRFlightSimGuy That does sound really cool but also very confusing because surely that shouldn’t be possible given that focal length/distance is set by the lenses. It should be purely a hardware limitation which is why we saw those hardware prototype contraptions from Meta on various ways to alter the focal level.
@@VRFlightSimGuySomnium said they've made some changes since you last tried it so excited to see what has changed. I've been keeping my eyes on the VR1 for quite a while.
Can you explain the downsides of no support for some of the discontinued headsets? I have a number of pieces of hardware where I've never even considered support. Are headsets that much different or is it more of a 'not worth the effort when there are better options out there' kind of thing?
Hi Steve, thanks for the comparison. Can I please confirm you are using optimal settings for each headset ? - for instance, that you are using WIRED Link for the Q3 with the optimisations previously explored ?. Cheers and keep up the good work.
Hi, interested into getting back into air combat simulations like IL2. I mostly flew fighters in multiplayer. Would you recommend the Pimax Crystal 8K, or wait for something else this year? I'm in no hurry as I've been out of simming since about 2017. Cost isn't much of an issue. Looking for smoothness, FOV, and visual acuity at range for IDing aircraft. I flew before with no labels, full switch as my preference.
no matter where im searching/looking, nowhere i can see what the actual picture quality is like. its annoying me. pixels and stuff is all good but WHAT is the actual image that im seeing gonne look like.
I'm currently on a G2 getting a solid 30FPS with most on high to ultra. I'd like to upgrade to the Crystal but I doubt my I9-10900F, 16GB Ram and 2080 Super would handle it.
I need help choosing what to buy for my dads birthday. He wants to fly a plane in VR and I have about 470USD but Im realizing now that all these sims need a high end PC. What should I do?
Unfortunately there is no way to fly VR in DCS/MSFS for $470 unless you have a beefy computer already. A PC that can run DCS/MSFS in VR is probably going to cost $1400+ and a VR headset will cost atleast $200 if you buy used. Not to mention you need a HOTAS and buy the modules for DCS/MSFS.
I suffer from motion sickness I'm using the Oculus 2. Is there a better VR system that would stop this I'm wondering if it's the quality of the Oculus 2.
Its not about the vr headset, its about your brain. Most if not all people will suffer from motion sickness when they first get into vr. But just by using it, your brain will get more and more used to the motion, and eventually you will be "immune" to motion sickness. Although, if your lenses aren't optimised to your vision properly, that could definitely make you motion sick, so make sure to check that out.
Well I almost went for neo link but went for the g2 last yearand I’ll stay with it till it’s dead or some better mid priced link tech headset comes out I’m fed up chasing the greatest and best that’s for the rich not for main stream vr user
Yes very true they all seem to be pushing for untethered pc vr which when I was using the quest 2 was abit hit and miss and always ran it with a link cable(display port is king for sims) But I’ve still got it as a back up and would rather use that with half life alyx as controllers are better in game
Im fortunate to have the aero and ill be enjoying it for a while, not upset of them stopping support because by the end of 2025 I would of already been looking for the next best thing. I think thats varjos way of admitting the aero is no longer cutting edge. Apple just put these other companies on high alert including varjo. Personally I would hate to buy any of these headsets today because you can easily tell cheaper and better is coming very soon. Im hedging my bets in the quest pro 2 is going to be the perfect compromise with clarity passthrough and price. I think its going to make the aero, crystal, and sonium look dated once it does come out.
Is it just me or am I seeing a ton of micro-stutters on the first few headsets? Could it be the recording software causing that? I'd like to see some video of you moving your head faster than the slow pan. That's when I get immersion breaking stutters on my Quest 3.
I own PICO Neo 3 Link. Tomorrow I am going to get PICO 4. I tieid PICO 3 on wi-fi and it was not bad. I have RTX 4090. I would like to ask. Do you recommend to change some setting in WIN11, Nvidia driver for PICO 4? Also I remember there were some setting within MSFS in some folder where we could make colours nicer etc..do I need to touch this setting?
I'd recommend you to stick with the 3 Link. Pico 4's image quality is only slightly better but can be sometimes worse than the 3 due to compression. You will however enjoy the comfort and ease of use.
OK, I tested new P4 with MSFS and VD not SteamVR. The image is better than P3, pencake lenses are much better than fresnel lenses. FOV, clarity much nicer. Without DP cable, I cannot see further but image clarity is worth it. I need to test few more games and I will decide. Most likely will sell P3.
Well I have the Quest 3 and looks very good for my SIM racing games. I don't do Flight SIM games even though I have one installed from STEAM. I also have an HP Reverb G2 V2 and hate it. Even though it has high resolutions, it has a very small and terrible sweet spot. I can't keep my eyes centered in this device. So this device is sitting on my shelf collecting dust. PICO they can all go pound sand. They don't want to sell there products in the US, then I don't care to even look at or recognize them. Whether Politics or not. The other headsets are just too expensive for my budget. I am waiting for the Crystal Lite video reviews when the headsets are released. Although, I am hesitant on getting PIMAX products from reading honest reviews. That is my opinion. Bye.
vr wave were the worst investment I ever made used em once on q2 and pinched my nose so much I never used em again they have just sat there was a big let down and my nose isn't even big 😂
You forgot to mention that quest 3 is barely compatible, I have RTX 3050ti laptop and is not compatible! Please guys make sure to contact customer service and make sure your laptop is compatible cause I bought the quest 3 for flight simulator and didn't worked!
I purchased the Reverb G2 because Microsoft and HP told me it was the cats ass for windows mixed reality. With the latest moronic move by Microsoft, I can’t even sell it in good conscience. Both Microsoft and HP can take a large bite out of my ass!
Lol what? While it is still niche, there is no way around it if you want full immersion. For flight sims, I could never go back to 2d on screen flying. It`s VR or nothing.
@@PaddyPatrone Agreed. Once you fly in VR there’s no going back. My only concession would be Track IR for those sims that don’t support VR or Flaming Cliffs 3 in DCS where the cockpits aren’t interactive. VR flying is the most immersive gaming experience I ever had. I still gawp in amazement every time I fly in VR.
Are you looking to upgrade your VR headset this year?
Just upgraded from the reverb G2 to the quest 3, super happy with the resolution but I cannot for the life of me get it running smooth with msfs2020, tried your vids many times but still horrible. 3090ti ohh and the audio stutters.
May I ask why you never reviewed the Quest pro? I hate it never got the recognition it deserves!
@@142nd_Bama I have tried the Quest Pro (twice actually), but for me, I didn't like the comfort, low resolution, SDE and wobbly passthrough. I loved the lenses though which are now in the Quest 3.
@@tonyf9076 Might be worth asking in my Discord channel, those guys are full of knowledge ;)
@@VRFlightSimGuyinteresting! For dcs anyways I find it the best all around headset! And highly recommend it!
Update: I finally got my replacement Crystal last week, after sending my defective one back in November. If you get a defective unit, REQUEST A REFUND and buy another if you choose. The exchange process was painfully drawn out. Now that I have a working Crystal, I love it! Coming from Reverb G2.
Good to know and glad you've finally got a good one 😊
Can you explain what the issue was? My came and for the life of me I can get a clear picture. Its like the lenses are misaligned. They told me to try a spacer thing I told them to RMA it. worst fitting headset Ive ever had on my head.
@@Despiser25 I had a dead pixel in one of my screens, so I can't really diagnose what you have going on. Check to see that you have auto IPD adjust enabled in your Pimax settings. As for the fit, get yourself the comfort strap that goes across the top of your head. Makes a massive difference. With it, I can wear the headset for long periods of time without discomfort.
@@swango1 Thx for the advice.
Thanks for the mention of the Somnium VR-1; that's my next headset, I'm hoping to place an order next month. My spot for an early model is reserved.
My pleasure, I'll have plenty more to show soon 😉
Wow, EXCELLENT video, Steve!
Thanks so much for your assessments of the best headsets for both beginners and more experienced VR Flight Simmers; your videos are always extremely informative and level-headed, and I, at least greatly appreciate it.
Also, I now find myself thinking about looking more closely at the Pico 3, despite its seeming "outdated" specs. I have quite a few PCVR games, and I'd like to have the experience of seeing how they look direct for the can, so to speak.
Again, awesome video... thanks!
Your comment really made my day thankyou so much! :)
I just upgraded from a Rift S to a Reverb G2 after winning one on EBay for less than £100👍
I have been very happy with the Rift S but am absolutely blown away with the clarity on the Reverb. So long as I don't upgrade to Windows 11 I'll hopefully good too keep using this for long enough to justify the small outlay :)
Nice one, that's a great deal!!
I made the same upgrade a few years ago. The Rift S was just too blurry for me, ok for the likes of IL2 but for DCS and MSFS where you need to be able the read the screens it just wasn’t up to it. The G2 was brilliant, and paired with a 4090 I could start running IL2 and DCS at native Render scales. I upgraded to the Crystal earlier this year. Clarity wise it’s on a different level, but I found that to get the very best out it my MB, CPU and RAM were a bit underpowered. I’ve just taken delivery of a new PC and that should, hopefully, solve those problems. Get my flight sims on an M2 drive with a 14900 CPU and 64Gig of fast RAM, paired with a 4090. But I do agree, the G2 is a brilliant headset.
I bought the Reverb G2 in 2021 when it was released. It was my first VR headset ever (and also the only one until today), I found it so terrible that I returned it directly after 2 days of testing. The FOV is bad, but what is much worse is the sweetspot. It was only sharp in the very middle, everything else not. Maybe I'm expecting too much from VR, don't know. But I said to myself: If this is what VR headsets can do nowadays, then this technology is still FAR away from what I think is acceptable. Now we are 3 years further and I'm hoping to find something that's significantly better than the Reverb G2 without needing to pay >1000€/$. I will probably have a look at the Quest III, seems to be a good overall package.
Happy Pico4 user here... ✌️🙂
I love mine 😊
I just purchased the Quest 3. For the most part it looks pretty good. Better than my PSVR2 in any case; however, the setup using all of these software packs like virtual desktop and XR toolkit is a PITA. I'm going to use it for a bit but I'm not sure that I want to keep it as it was 800 dollars Canadian, not including taxes, and I'm not sure it totally satisfies me. The Pimax sounds like it has better visual quality, but the downside of that headset is the massive size of it.
Yes!! It is a royal pita trying to get it to work with dcs. I’d rather just buy another headset specially for dcs and that also has an hdmi connection for my graphics card
A comprehensive, well-rounded overview. 🙂👍
Thank you kindly!
I got the Pico 4 bnew at the sale price of 250usd same as a Quest 2. It was a steal and am happy for my sim gaming both flight and racing and it works much better with VD vs my old Quest 2 on VD
They are selling 5GB for £469, if they could sell one with QLED local dimming & Thunderbolt 4 (40Gbps) port. USB-C uses the Thunderbolt port so it may be easier with regard to using the same body. QLES is more energy efficient so would improve battery life...
Great video thx, i must say using the link cable on the quest 3 with some changed setting in the oculus debug tool ,kayak mirage jungle level (all settings on max and even supersampled ingame)looked stunning and very close to the pimax crystal but with a far better sweetspot and and because off the edge to edge clarity the FOV feels bigger for me… These settings change the quest 3 to a highend pcvr with the link cable.
You can really start to tell the difference when using it in flight simulators with tiny instruments, but for general gaming and looking outside of the cockpit, I totally agree the gap shrinks. Thanks for watching :)
thats true,the resolution is just a tad higher@@VRFlightSimGuy
Funny how us humans are so very different from one person to the other, everyone's eyes and head shape so very different. A few YT'ers have mentioned Screen Door Effect (SDE) for the Quest 3 yet I see zero SDE with mine but since using the Quest 3, I now see very faint SDE in my Reverb G2V2.
Agreed, the Quest 3 is hard to beat, it's optics are incredible for it's price point, as for compression, it is a LOT better than the Quest 2 or Pico 4 (old XR2 chip). I'd say very close to the G2 but not quite there, the G2 still offers a bit better clarity especially for things in the distance.
Personally, for anyone thinking of getting a Pico 4, save a little more, the Quest 3 is quite a bit better (yes, I have both HMDs). The thing you have to keep in mind as Steve mentioned, you will have to budget for a aftermarket head strap, the stock one is pathetic at best and extremely uncomfortable, something like the BoBoVR M3 or new S3 (expensive) makes the Quest 3 a joy to wear. :)
Great video and will help a lot of people. I can fully endorse what you have said here.
Thanks mate, it took ages to put this video together.
I am waiting and excited to purchase the Varjo X4. Supposed to be soon.
It does look like a beast!
for now in msfs is unusable.. hope for a sw update from varjio
This is what I’m interested in too!
@@RobertoMandrileOh damn I hope they get that sorted soon 😮
@@VRFlightSimGuy
I doubt Varjo will be spending any time or resources soon on making the XR4 compatible with any flight sim software, as it is being aimed at designers and other commercial users.
VR is getting weird and messy with good VR headset going away and MS ripping out WMR soon.... Time & my wallet will tell what the VR future is still going to be there or not. I hope it does.
Thanks for the recap of all the headsets so I can start to plan for the future.
VR is here to stay Sven , don't worry. MSFS 2024 is going to be amazing :)
@@VRFlightSimGuyVR has been here since the 90s (and arguably the same technology just improved). The problem is it is regressing to a niche product as it was due to lack of optimizations, software, difficult to use etc.
It’s certainly in Varjo’s interest to hold off on you reviewing the XR-4 until they get some early issues worked out
Another great video Steve! Yeah the options for dedicated Displayport headsets seem to have shrunk a little bit crazy enough.
Thanks for the comparison. What motion sim was shown duringn the pimax speach?
Thankyou and welcome to the channel. I'm using the DOF Reality H2. Full review and videos on the channel.
what is the best way to run a VR flight sim setup? Im wondering mainly RE: real life controlls/buttons/joysticks/flaps etc etc etc and not being able to actually see them while wearing the VR headset
are you running the steam version or store version with virtual desktop
I guess the Pico punches a little above it’s weight class because of the direct connection to PC unlike the Quest. That makes sense.. I love my Quest 3 though :)
I had the Q2 and now the Q3 and that price point it'll do for me.
Is the upgrade worth it?
Oh,yes it's definitely better.
@@Lonsome1223 is the screen door effect noticeable? it's mainly the only thing holding me back.
@@pedromalowicki7026This is definitely the best headset for the money for me .
Quest 3 is perfect. Easy to resell months before a quest 4 comes out. I did the same with quest 2 and sold that before 3 came out.
So under 400$ the best for the price would be either the Pico pk4 or the pico neo 3? I think before I was leaning towards the neo3 but I don't remember why. I do wear glasses so that also effects my decision.
Great roundup as always Steve! What kind of world do we now live in that the Crystal ($1600) is the Mid-level HMD LOL! I've pretty much decided I'm done buying new VR Headsets until someone puts some OLED displays behind Aspheric Lenses... or in 10 Years when all my current headsets aren't working anymore... whichever comes first.
Cheers mate. To be fair most would argue the Quest 3 is the new mid ranger, but I'm far too sensitive to compressed video and there is a substantial difference between even the Reverb G2 and Quest 3. I'll have much more info on the Somnium VR1 next month, it's definitely one to watch. Perhaps the Aero 2 we have been wishing for. Best wishes.
@@VRFlightSimGuyInteresting... are you seeing that much compression in the Quest 3? What router are you using or are you linked up? I hardly see any on my setup.
@@GYGOtv Sorry when I refer to compression, I don't necessarily mean network settings (although my internet and wifi isn't great), but even using link I can see that I'm not getting such a powerful, direct signal and the image is much softer on gauges as a result. For something like Half Life Alyx, it's a non issue.
@@VRFlightSimGuyGot it, just FYI I had much worse image quality when connected by a cable than when I used Virtual Desktop... don't know if a better router would help you or not, but then again why? You have the Crystal. I just value your opinion and found the topic interesting.
@@GYGOtv Cheers buddy, I value your opinion too :)
I've had MSFS since the first month it was available, but have not tried a VR headset yet. Asobo's implementation of multiple view windows and auxiliary control panel screens is still not as good as what FSX had, so I have been waiting to see if Asobo can at least get MSFS running on regular computer monitors as well, if not better, than FSX before I dive into VR.
Thanks for the video
Pleasure :)
I don't understand this standalone concept of the Quest III with its internal memory, battery etc. Can I use this headset by simply connecting it with a cable to my computer and playing games (mainly MSFS) from my computer, without needing to install anything on the headset itself and can it be loaded via cable (so no hassle with very limited battery capacity)?
If you use the Quest 3 connection via the link cable, it is not enough for power and the battery in the headset still drains, because the USB on the PC can only provide 0.5 A of current, the headset consumes 18 W. But there is already a perfect solution, on e-shops you can buy 5 m long cables to connect the headset to the PC, which have a box near the USB port to the PC, in which there is a connector into which the Quest 3 charging source is plugged. This provides enough current and the headset does not discharge and you can play for an unlimited time .
@@michalpetrilak3976 Thanks. I know, in the meantime I bought a Quest 3 and I'm using this kind of cable. Works perfectly.
@@Thunderbird1337 Congratulations on a good purchase. You beat me to it, I'm going to buy a Quest 3 myself. I use a HTC VIVE Pro headset for flight sim, but even though it has an AMOLED display, it doesn't suit me anymore. It has a low resolution of 1440x1600 per eye and the sharpness is only in a small spot in the middle because it has fresnel lenses. The horizontal FOV is 98 degrees. The weight of the HTC VIVE Pro is 800 g. Quest 3 will have all these parameters better. I'm not willing to pay for expensive VR headset because the replacement cycle is always 2-3 years and then something a level better will come along.
You can get a cable built to charge and play games on your computer
Hey Steve, would you happen to know what the focal distance is on the upcoming Somnium VR1?
I got to try the Crystal recently and the clarity is amazing but I found myself suffering progressively worsening eye strain whilst sim racing and came to the realisation it was due to the 1m focal distance they’ve used instead of the 2m industry standard. The result was the same eye strain fatigue you feel on typical VR headsets when you try to focus your eyes on objects less than half a meter away but this time it was happening for far distant viewing on the crystal whilst sim racing. (For reference, I have 20-20 vision).
Many thanks in advance!
I'll have more to say about the VR1 very soon ;) But I will say, in terms of focal length, this can be adjusted in the software. How cool is that?
@@VRFlightSimGuy That does sound really cool but also very confusing because surely that shouldn’t be possible given that focal length/distance is set by the lenses. It should be purely a hardware limitation which is why we saw those hardware prototype contraptions from Meta on various ways to alter the focal level.
@@VRFlightSimGuySomnium said they've made some changes since you last tried it so excited to see what has changed. I've been keeping my eyes on the VR1 for quite a while.
Can you explain the downsides of no support for some of the discontinued headsets? I have a number of pieces of hardware where I've never even considered support. Are headsets that much different or is it more of a 'not worth the effort when there are better options out there' kind of thing?
Hi Steve, thanks for the comparison. Can I please confirm you are using optimal settings for each headset ? - for instance, that you are using WIRED Link for the Q3 with the optimisations previously explored ?. Cheers and keep up the good work.
Affirm 👍
Nice 😆
My Pimax has screws to hold the prescription lens in place.
What VR headset you recommend for who use glasses (hyperopia + astigmatism). I try the Samsung Odyssey and didnt like it, so much blur.
Hi, interested into getting back into air combat simulations like IL2. I mostly flew fighters in multiplayer. Would you recommend the Pimax Crystal 8K, or wait for something else this year? I'm in no hurry as I've been out of simming since about 2017. Cost isn't much of an issue. Looking for smoothness, FOV, and visual acuity at range for IDing aircraft. I flew before with no labels, full switch as my preference.
no matter where im searching/looking, nowhere i can see what the actual picture quality is like. its annoying me. pixels and stuff is all good but WHAT is the actual image that im seeing gonne look like.
what are the best mini led vr head sets and that can run VRchat and other games
I'm currently on a G2 getting a solid 30FPS with most on high to ultra. I'd like to upgrade to the Crystal but I doubt my I9-10900F, 16GB Ram and 2080 Super would handle it.
I'd agree with you, a 2080 Super is not going to cut it for the Crystal.
I need help choosing what to buy for my dads birthday. He wants to fly a plane in VR and I have about 470USD but Im realizing now that all these sims need a high end PC. What should I do?
Unfortunately there is no way to fly VR in DCS/MSFS for $470 unless you have a beefy computer already. A PC that can run DCS/MSFS in VR is probably going to cost $1400+ and a VR headset will cost atleast $200 if you buy used. Not to mention you need a HOTAS and buy the modules for DCS/MSFS.
I suffer from motion sickness I'm using the Oculus 2. Is there a better VR system that would stop this I'm wondering if it's the quality of the Oculus 2.
Its not about the vr headset, its about your brain. Most if not all people will suffer from motion sickness when they first get into vr. But just by using it, your brain will get more and more used to the motion, and eventually you will be "immune" to motion sickness. Although, if your lenses aren't optimised to your vision properly, that could definitely make you motion sick, so make sure to check that out.
Well I almost went for neo link but went for the g2 last yearand I’ll stay with it till it’s dead or some better mid priced link tech headset comes out
I’m fed up chasing the greatest and best that’s for the rich not for main stream vr user
Paul, stick with your G2 for now. But like everything, prices are going up and to make matters worse, PC VR has become more niche.
Yes very true they all seem to be pushing for untethered pc vr which when I was using the quest 2 was abit hit and miss and always ran it with a link cable(display port is king for sims)
But I’ve still got it as a back up and would rather use that with half life alyx as controllers are better in game
What is that chair please
Im fortunate to have the aero and ill be enjoying it for a while, not upset of them stopping support because by the end of 2025 I would of already been looking for the next best thing. I think thats varjos way of admitting the aero is no longer cutting edge. Apple just put these other companies on high alert including varjo.
Personally I would hate to buy any of these headsets today because you can easily tell cheaper and better is coming very soon. Im hedging my bets in the quest pro 2 is going to be the perfect compromise with clarity passthrough and price. I think its going to make the aero, crystal, and sonium look dated once it does come out.
Will my Quest 2 prescription lenses fit a Quest 3?
Negative
Quest Pro still performs really well with its advanced QLED panels…
I prefer the Quest 3, but that's just my opinion :)
Don’t forget the quest pro has eye tracking / foveated rendering which really is a necessity for good flight sim performance.
You mentioned you think the VR1 lenses are much better than the Crystal's. How so? (besides the obvious FOV difference)
Wider sweetspot and less CA, keep in mind I only tested it in Prague, but I'll have one here to test properly soon, so stayed tuned...
@@VRFlightSimGuy Oh less CA than the Crystal? I thought you said it was worse before
@@lurchilurch5507 Things have changed.. More soon.
@@VRFlightSimGuy sounds promising, thanks!
Or do you mean the add on at additional cost that is supposed to remove ca?
I hear the pico 4 has warpred lenses?
Is it just me or am I seeing a ton of micro-stutters on the first few headsets? Could it be the recording software causing that? I'd like to see some video of you moving your head faster than the slow pan. That's when I get immersion breaking stutters on my Quest 3.
That may have been due to using different PC systems. The later footage was recorded with my 13900k, 4090. Thanks for watching.
Bit of feedback, maybe put the model name on screen while showing footage?
Maybe the open xr devs can make tbe g2 compatible once Microsoft stop supporting the headset
What do you think about meta which has, until now, still not increased the out resolution for the quest3 within the oculus app on link cable ?
Frustrating isn't it. I wonder how much difference it would make.
I own PICO Neo 3 Link. Tomorrow I am going to get PICO 4. I tieid PICO 3 on wi-fi and it was not bad. I have RTX 4090. I would like to ask. Do you recommend to change some setting in WIN11, Nvidia driver for PICO 4? Also I remember there were some setting within MSFS in some folder where we could make colours nicer etc..do I need to touch this setting?
I'd recommend you to stick with the 3 Link. Pico 4's image quality is only slightly better but can be sometimes worse than the 3 due to compression. You will however enjoy the comfort and ease of use.
@@danceoffAshI will see in few hours, P4 just arrived. I just performed fw update.
OK, I tested new P4 with MSFS and VD not SteamVR. The image is better than P3, pencake lenses are much better than fresnel lenses. FOV, clarity much nicer. Without DP cable, I cannot see further but image clarity is worth it. I need to test few more games and I will decide. Most likely will sell P3.
@@shawtdusanshawt I see, enjoy! What GPU are you running it with?
@@danceoffAsh RTX 4090 from Gigabyte not OC.
Is the 256gb or 512gb recommended for the quest 3
For PC VR, the 128gb is just fine.
Thanknyou
Pico huh? Hmm..... You know my next question... 🤔
My guess is, should you buy one? Otherwise, I've no idea lol
@@VRFlightSimGuy AMD support. Turns out yes. But we discussed some drawbacks already elsewhere.
Well I have the Quest 3 and looks very good for my SIM racing games. I don't do Flight SIM games even though I have one installed from STEAM.
I also have an HP Reverb G2 V2 and hate it. Even though it has high resolutions, it has a very small and terrible sweet spot. I can't keep my eyes centered in this device. So this device is sitting on my shelf collecting dust.
PICO they can all go pound sand. They don't want to sell there products in the US, then I don't care to even look at or recognize them. Whether Politics or not.
The other headsets are just too expensive for my budget. I am waiting for the Crystal Lite video reviews when the headsets are released. Although, I am hesitant on getting PIMAX products from reading honest reviews.
That is my opinion. Bye.
cries in Quest 1 with DCS :(
Don't cry too much, you do have OLED ;)
vr wave were the worst investment I ever made used em once on q2 and pinched my nose so much I never used em again they have just sat there was a big let down and my nose isn't even big 😂
Oh dear Jamie. Most of my subs seem happy. What went wrong?
I had to watch this video at 2x. I feel like this could have been a 5 min video
It's a very complicated topic.
Good job overall
@@artsyguy209 Thanks
You forgot to mention that quest 3 is barely compatible, I have RTX 3050ti laptop and is not compatible! Please guys make sure to contact customer service and make sure your laptop is compatible cause I bought the quest 3 for flight simulator and didn't worked!
But I don't use a laptop for flight simulation 🤔
Laptop gpus are not the same as desktop gpus
I purchased the Reverb G2 because Microsoft and HP told me it was the cats ass for windows mixed reality. With the latest moronic move by Microsoft, I can’t even sell it in good conscience. Both Microsoft and HP can take a large bite out of my ass!
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That big screen beyond could have been the killer headset if it wasn’t for the utterly crap FOV.
FOV is actually fine? It's the glare that's the issue.
I think that VR is getting the same path as tv 3d…
Nah. VR is definitely safe, especially for training and flight simulation. Although the days of cheaper PC VR headsets are, shall we say, stagnant.
Lol what? While it is still niche, there is no way around it if you want full immersion. For flight sims, I could never go back to 2d on screen flying. It`s VR or nothing.
@@PaddyPatrone Agreed. Once you fly in VR there’s no going back. My only concession would be Track IR for those sims that don’t support VR or Flaming Cliffs 3 in DCS where the cockpits aren’t interactive. VR flying is the most immersive gaming experience I ever had. I still gawp in amazement every time I fly in VR.