For a leisure golfer … it’s a massive value for $… the features packed are awesome and for a cost difference of 40:1, it’s a no brainer… for weekend golfer!
Thanks for the video. It is important to note that both devices use a Doppler radar system to track the ball, and using both devices this closely at the same time will affect the accuracy of the readings. This is due to the interference created between the transmitters and receivers of both devices.
@@ericwilson4960 I think because they are so close together it interferes. I was doing this experiment as well in a TM simulator - same setup as these guys but indoors. Had a number of shots on the Garmin that didn’t make sense vs. the TrackMan. I used the Garmin outdoors a couple days ago by itself and didn’t have the same issues as I did inside next to a TrackMan, so for now I’m attributing to interference. Need to run a few more experiments to finalise judgement though.
@@ericwilson4960 There's likely a significant difference in ability to tolerate interference between the two systems. The R10 has to keep that cost down somehow.
It’s amazing how many people have negative opinions about this device. They somehow think this $599 unit should be as good as a $25,000 unit. To me direction and distance is what counts for me in real golf so same on a sim. None of the other specs are available when you actually play golf so why should I care.
When these devices are used with a new golf ball they might be more accurate. No matter how much we spend on one it always has inaccuracy. May as well buy a metal detector for gold.
Great review. I believe Garmin has stated that the R10 only measures ball speed, clubhead speed, launch angle, club path, and AoA. The spin rate and spin axis are calculated from those measurements. Looking forward to see how it performs against the Quad.
with all fairness I don't think we can take much from this data. For one, the devices this close as mentioned already, but two, I believe the garmin gives a 1ft side to side hit space allowance and it looks like you have the ball well offline of the garmin. When we are talking about a couple degrees having a huge impact on the end result. I wonder what the results would be if the ball were in line with the garmin instead of inline with the trackman
@@gunghogolf This is going to result in a large discrepancy in club path and hence spin axis. It is pretty clear in the video that the R-10 is sighting left to right, so every shot is going to look like an right to left club path and fade bias on the spin axis. You'd probably be much better off stacking the units vertically, exactly on the target line. My rough calculations based on the difference in angles between the two units would give about 6.3 degrees bias to the Garmin numbers.
Thanks for doing this. I have one of these Garmin's on order and the ONLY reason I decided to purchase it was for the outdoor driving range "distance" experience as I'm only interested in using this to track my distances.
The garmin instructions say to align unit, tee and target because the ball and club angles are measured parallel to this line. It also says you can move the tee location 2x2' hitting area starting 6' from unit. I would think you would want evrything in alignment for accurate angles. Did you try it with target, unit and tee in alignment? Launch angle could be in error from the setup of the unit. In the manual it also has a note that if using hitting mat, make sure the bottom edge of the device is above the mat. This leads me to believe that launch angle may be high if used on tripod on level surface. The tripod adds 3" to the units height. I just received mine today but I have nothing to compare it to. I have a PRGR so can compare distance but that is definitely not a high end accurate monitor.
Thanks for doing this, guys. Honestly, I really don't care much about spin, but I do want accurate club path data. And based on this and your indoor test, the R10 seems to be a bit all-over-the-map with that data.
@@Taylor-xj8hw Haha! Yep. I guess I'll have to just keep doing what I've been doing for the past 30 years: looking at the ball flight and learning what to do from that.
Garmin has had a few updates since this vid. I am a beginner and used to slice pretty bad, no matter how often I went to the range, I just couldn’t fix it. Bought the R10, watched the club path and face angle after each hit, and now hit a draw more often than not. Very impressed with it!
Could you retest the Garmin with the software updates (version 3.9 now compared to your test with 3.3)? There have been 4 updates since this video that should have improved the AoA, club path, ball flight data considerably.
Thanks for your question, Jeff. The distance disparities weren't too severe - but the cause of them on most shots were a combination of launch angle and spin. For its price, the R10 is extremely accurate estimating carry distance. The L/R discrepancies are the bigger issue, and are the result of misses in spin axis measurement/estimation.
I was hoping someone would do this. However, it would be much easier to compare the two if you listed the numbers side by side on a spreadsheet and put that on the screen for us to compare, instead of stopping to look at the iPhone and iPad screen after every swing. Unlike the Trackman, it seems like the Garmin is estimating some numbers and not actually reading the ball for every number. Thanks for comparing the two.
From what I've seen, the R10 seems to do fairly well when the shots are hit pretty straight or with a slight pull or push; anything else than you can start to see major differences. However, that should be obvious. With that being said though, $600 to $25K.......... there's a lot of other things you can buy by saving $24K!
For the most part it seems like the club path readings are closer to what the Trackman is showing in this outdoor test? As spin axis while magnitude being different [due to spin being off] mostly correlate?
At 22:26, the Garmin is showing 2.1R for Face and 12.3L for Path. This is a Face to Path of 14.4R (2.1 - (-12.3)). This could never produce a negative spin axis so this is a crazy result which makes no sense at all. I'm not sure what the Garmin R10 is doing here although it's clearly impressive in many respects.
Outdoors then carry distance and spin rate are key, right? Everything else you can see. Would also be interesting to have someone down the range checking actual carry distances
That's correct. TrackMan follows the ball all the way to the ground, even on the longest drives, so its carry numbers are typically spot-on. The R10 follows the ball only for 20-30 yards, judging by how quickly the data appears.
Thanks for your feedback, John. We just published an indoor test of the R10 against the GCQuad, and we do call out left/right miss distance for each shot in that test: ruclips.net/video/AAT9XbBrN3s/видео.html
@@gunghogolf Awesome. Any chance you could export spreadsheet data from both devices? I’d like to forward this to Garmin. A ticket has been submitting to their engineering team and I think it may be helpful. GCQuad data would be awesome too! Thanks!
How well does R10 track Angle of Attack? Don't see AoL in your video. I already have a Skytrak but am looking for something that can angle of attack, club path, and face angle.
We’ll be posting an indoor comparison with the GCQuad this evening where we pay more attention to those parameters. AoA, club path, and face angle are currently weaknesses of the R10.
how about all 3 at the same time? indoor and outdoor. quad/trackman/garmin. and for funsies. when outdoor, hit 80-100 yard shots at a person. have them stand where the ball hits the ground and then use a range finder to measure the exact carry and compare that against all 3. finally get an idea of how accurate they all are.
to me knowing my carry distances Is the most important. For me, I dont really see the point of a launch monitor if its that for off. I mean I could guess the carry distance by sight better than the R10 reads it.
Thanks for watching! The carry distances from the R10 are actually quite accurate indoors, when compared to a GC Quad. The club path and spin axis are the biggest problem points so far, but here's hoping Garmin can improve those with firmware updates.
Haven't done that test, but the Mevo (original $500 version) is pretty good for what it does - but it doesn't attempt to measure HLA or spin axis like the R10 does.
Thanks for posting the video. How far back was the R10 from the ball? I've been using my R10 at the range for the last 5 days and have noticed that there is a tendency the R10 does not pick up fairway woods hit off the mat. Have you noticed the same?
I wouldn’t be buying the R10. I’m not sure whether it effected the trackman results being right in front of it but a difference is still a difference and if you’re looking for something to optimise your game then money would be better spent going to a simulator room where they have trackman in my opinion. There’s just way too much difference in the carry distance and spin rates.
As another commenter mentioned, this is really interesting (and thanks for sharing!) but it would be much more informative if you compared it to something like a GC Quad (camera-based) as opposed to a Trackman (doppler-based) as two doppler-based units could (honestly, most likely...) interfere with each other. Thanks for the vid!
I can’t speak for the Garmin, but TM has designed its unit to be operated side by side with other radar units. I believe Flightscope is the same and in fact Flightscope has done videos comparing their hardware with TM side by side. I suspect having two Garmins side by side could be an issue if Garmin has not built in a way to protect for the interference but not sure it would be in this test as both radars could be operating on a different frequency.
Nice test. Would be interesting to see the impact position on the R10's misses as reported by Trackman. It's unlikely it has any mechanism to compensate for the gear effect of off-center hits and that could be causing at least some of the big misses. It's tough to tell from a youtube video but at least one of the very hooky driver shots from early in the video where the R10 missed big seemed like it was a toe strike.
It’s my understanding that trackman measures spin axis for first 30 yards outside and would expect garmin to do similar so in theory should show gear effect. Also the 7 iron had a few differences and obviously would expect little gear effect on irons
@@russellfothergill9082 The R10 isn't actually measuring spin though like Trackman or Mevo+, it's measuring club path and ball launch and estimating spin from those. My experience with the R10 so far has been that general shot shape is capture fairly well, but it definitely tends to miss on off-center hits.
@@williamhumber5890 ah ok so it’s doing the same calculation for spin axis that mevo plus would do indoors. I thought it was said that it worked better outdoors and I put this down to it having the 30 yards to see ball movement like other radars outside. Thanks for clarifying
It may not be clear from the camera angle, but both units were equi-distance from the ball/target line. Since both units were reading horizontal launch direction within 0.1 degrees of each other, and no shots were missed, we consider the setup to be as good as it could get. The R10 has a 24" pickup zone (width and depth), while the TrackMan is around 14" - no problem if either one is slightly offline.
I hope you guys read the comments and actually do a new test without the machines out at the same time interfering with each other and with the garmin lined up behind the ball correctly…would love a proper comparison without the potential issues giving us a unfair result and then we can see how close or far off it is.
We’re posting an indoor comparison with the GCQuad soon. From other testing, we don’t believe the Garmin and the TM were interfering with each other in this test, but of course it’s impossible to know for certain.
The "bad reads" on spin axis by the Garmin r10 are caused by gear effect on the severe toe hits. The path, launch direction, and face to path metrics were very similar even on the "bad reads". The Trackman is tracking the spin axis of the actual ball flight, but on the Garmin it looks to be a calculation based on impact data. The first versions of Trackman were not accurate on off center hits, either. A good player or someone who is knowledgeable would still be getting the feedback they need to make swing changes, which almost always revolve around swing path, face angle and the relationship of path to face. So for $600 sign me up! PS I would love to see a better golfer as the tester - someone who can hit intentional fades and draws with different trajectories. The toe hooks, pushes and over draws of someone with a chronic inside-out swing is not really a great test.
It’s one of 9 possible ball flight patterns - face is open to target line but closed to path. See thesandtrap.com/b/playing_tips/ball_flight_laws for more info.
Great vid guys, really appreciate these. Also - thanks for the Holy Grail mat, that thing is awesome. This guy is hitting 260+ with a 3/4 swing. Love it. Is there a little Moe Norman going on in that swing?
@@gunghogolf loving my holy grail insert in my fiberbuilt mat! So much easier on the joints than the fiberbuilt with more realistic ball interaction! Would you say the Mevo Plus is worth the added cost when compared to the Garmin? I feel like the jump in accuracy and sim features is worth the price jump, but was curious what you guys think? The Garmin seems like an excellent value for a starter sim though.
Why are you focusing on the numbers the r10 can’t directly measure?😂 The only numbers you should be comparing are the ones it can directly measure like ball speed, club speed, launch angle, and launch direction… The rest is only based off algorithm on the Garmin.
What's amusing to me anyways ..... all those spin "discrepancies" mean absolutely nothing to anyone but pro golfers. In other words ... the Garmin is the perfect device for 99.9% of the golfers in the world.
Next time have the Garmin aligned properly with the ball and dont have 2 systems so close that probably interfere with each other, and if you lose the ball show us the shot trace. Actually show it anyway, it's just a few swipes. It's almost like all your results here are tainted.
Thanks for the feedback! Alignment was good - horizontal launch angle was nearly identical on nearly every shot. We had each unit a few inches either side of the ball/target line. Moving them further apart (to avoid the questionable problem of interference) would get them too far away from the ball/target line for good reads.
Both monitors were perfectly aligned (they each have a large pickup area, so no problem that one is slightly left of ball and one is slightly right of ball). Horizontal launch angle reads were typically less than 0.1 degree off each other. The R10 was set at the recommended 6 ft back from ball, and the Trackman was at 7 ft.
The hardware (and software) between these two units is light-years apart. The radar transmitters/receivers in the TrackMan will follow the actual ball flight all the way to the ground for a 400 yard drive - the Garmin follows it 20-30 yards tops (they haven't disclosed this information, but you can tell by how fast the shot data appears after impact).
Appreciate the feedback. In this video we wanted to show un-cut, un-edited shots with data - to make it shorter would require editing, which would give us the chance to remove "bad" reads from either device (not that we would, but we're trying to be unbiased and fair in our tests).
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For a leisure golfer … it’s a massive value for $… the features packed are awesome and for a cost difference of 40:1, it’s a no brainer… for weekend golfer!
Thanks for the video. It is important to note that both devices use a Doppler radar system to track the ball, and using both devices this closely at the same time will affect the accuracy of the readings. This is due to the interference created between the transmitters and receivers of both devices.
so on the range of PGA event there are dozens of trackmans, would that also affect accuracy?
(serious question, not being facetious)
@@ericwilson4960 I think because they are so close together it interferes. I was doing this experiment as well in a TM simulator - same setup as these guys but indoors. Had a number of shots on the Garmin that didn’t make sense vs. the TrackMan. I used the Garmin outdoors a couple days ago by itself and didn’t have the same issues as I did inside next to a TrackMan, so for now I’m attributing to interference. Need to run a few more experiments to finalise judgement though.
@@ericwilson4960 There's likely a significant difference in ability to tolerate interference between the two systems. The R10 has to keep that cost down somehow.
It’s not directly in line with the ball either so of course it’s not reading directions right
It’s amazing how many people have negative opinions about this device. They somehow think this $599 unit should be as good as a $25,000 unit. To me direction and distance is what counts for me in real golf so same on a sim. None of the other specs are available when you actually play golf so why should I care.
When these devices are used with a new golf ball they might be more accurate. No matter how much we spend on one it always has inaccuracy. May as well buy a metal detector for gold.
Can you do this test using Garmin r10 with awesome golf app vs trackman?
Great review. I believe Garmin has stated that the R10 only measures ball speed, clubhead speed, launch angle, club path, and AoA. The spin rate and spin axis are calculated from those measurements. Looking forward to see how it performs against the Quad.
Ty for doing this review, it is much appreciated. Very impressed with the R10. 👍
Thanks Alan, appreciate hearing that!
with all fairness I don't think we can take much from this data. For one, the devices this close as mentioned already, but two, I believe the garmin gives a 1ft side to side hit space allowance and it looks like you have the ball well offline of the garmin. When we are talking about a couple degrees having a huge impact on the end result. I wonder what the results would be if the ball were in line with the garmin instead of inline with the trackman
This is exactly what I was thinking. Why were they aligning it to the yellow flag?…as you mention it should be aligned behind the ball.
We had the units equi-distant from the ball-target line - R10 a few inches left of it, TM4 a few inches right of it.
@@gunghogolf exactly line them up both wrong and wonder why they are so different......
@@granda080 exactly! He totally wasted all this time and didn't show us 1 shot shape
@@gunghogolf This is going to result in a large discrepancy in club path and hence spin axis. It is pretty clear in the video that the R-10 is sighting left to right, so every shot is going to look like an right to left club path and fade bias on the spin axis. You'd probably be much better off stacking the units vertically, exactly on the target line. My rough calculations based on the difference in angles between the two units would give about 6.3 degrees bias to the Garmin numbers.
Thanks for doing this. I have one of these Garmin's on order and the ONLY reason I decided to purchase it was for the outdoor driving range "distance" experience as I'm only interested in using this to track my distances.
Should be good for that purpose!
The garmin instructions say to align unit, tee and target because the ball and club angles are measured parallel to this line. It also says you can move the tee location 2x2' hitting area starting 6' from unit. I would think you would want evrything in alignment for accurate angles. Did you try it with target, unit and tee in alignment? Launch angle could be in error from the setup of the unit. In the manual it also has a note that if using hitting mat, make sure the bottom edge of the device is above the mat. This leads me to believe that launch angle may be high if used on tripod on level surface. The tripod adds 3" to the units height. I just received mine today but I have nothing to compare it to. I have a PRGR so can compare distance but that is definitely not a high end accurate monitor.
Great vid. Thanks for taking the time.
You bet, glad you liked it!
Thanks for doing this, guys. Honestly, I really don't care much about spin, but I do want accurate club path data. And based on this and your indoor test, the R10 seems to be a bit all-over-the-map with that data.
Thanks for your comment, Daniel!
buy a gcquad if you want accurate club data, they only cost about $18,000
@@Taylor-xj8hw Haha! Yep. I guess I'll have to just keep doing what I've been doing for the past 30 years: looking at the ball flight and learning what to do from that.
Garmin has had a few updates since this vid. I am a beginner and used to slice pretty bad, no matter how often I went to the range, I just couldn’t fix it. Bought the R10, watched the club path and face angle after each hit, and now hit a draw more often than not. Very impressed with it!
All this info and still golfers struggle to break 100. Mind boggling really. You think people would be getting better
Could you retest the Garmin with the software updates (version 3.9 now compared to your test with 3.3)? There have been 4 updates since this video that should have improved the AoA, club path, ball flight data considerably.
Yes, we need to. Thanks for your feedback!
The R10 consistantly reads the launch angle as 0.5 to 2 degrees higher than trackman. Could this be the source of the distance disparitites?
Thanks for your question, Jeff. The distance disparities weren't too severe - but the cause of them on most shots were a combination of launch angle and spin. For its price, the R10 is extremely accurate estimating carry distance. The L/R discrepancies are the bigger issue, and are the result of misses in spin axis measurement/estimation.
I was hoping someone would do this. However, it would be much easier to compare the two if you listed the numbers side by side on a spreadsheet and put that on the screen for us to compare, instead of stopping to look at the iPhone and iPad screen after every swing. Unlike the Trackman, it seems like the Garmin is estimating some numbers and not actually reading the ball for every number. Thanks for comparing the two.
Appreciate your feedback! We'll try to include a spreadsheet next review.
From what I've seen, the R10 seems to do fairly well when the shots are hit pretty straight or with a slight pull or push; anything else than you can start to see major differences. However, that should be obvious. With that being said though, $600 to $25K.......... there's a lot of other things you can buy by saving $24K!
Does the garmin have apex height and descent angle?
It has apex height, but not descent angle.
For the most part it seems like the club path readings are closer to what the Trackman is showing in this outdoor test? As spin axis while magnitude being different [due to spin being off] mostly correlate?
At 22:26, the Garmin is showing 2.1R for Face and 12.3L for Path. This is a Face to Path of 14.4R (2.1 - (-12.3)). This could never produce a negative spin axis so this is a crazy result which makes no sense at all. I'm not sure what the Garmin R10 is doing here although it's clearly impressive in many respects.
Nice catch Timothy, agree with your assessment.
You should show the ball flight on the trackman and garmin. I wanna see how they differ on the ball flight
Good video guys 👍. Any chance to compare Mevo+ with latest firmware to trackman outdoors?
We'll try to get that done! I would expect much better results from the Mevo+.
Outdoors then carry distance and spin rate are key, right? Everything else you can see. Would also be interesting to have someone down the range checking actual carry distances
That's correct. TrackMan follows the ball all the way to the ground, even on the longest drives, so its carry numbers are typically spot-on. The R10 follows the ball only for 20-30 yards, judging by how quickly the data appears.
What are your thoughts for backyard net usage?
Should work fine, with at least 9 feet of ball flight.
Hi great video can you get a top down view to show shot shape but also how far left or right ball was from centre please?
Thanks for your feedback, John. We just published an indoor test of the R10 against the GCQuad, and we do call out left/right miss distance for each shot in that test: ruclips.net/video/AAT9XbBrN3s/видео.html
Did you update the device to 3.30?
There is an update available?
Yes - it came to us with 3.30 loaded.
@@gunghogolf Awesome. Any chance you could export spreadsheet data from both devices? I’d like to forward this to Garmin. A ticket has been submitting to their engineering team and I think it may be helpful. GCQuad data would be awesome too! Thanks!
How well does R10 track Angle of Attack? Don't see AoL in your video. I already have a Skytrak but am looking for something that can angle of attack, club path, and face angle.
We’ll be posting an indoor comparison with the GCQuad this evening where we pay more attention to those parameters. AoA, club path, and face angle are currently weaknesses of the R10.
how about all 3 at the same time? indoor and outdoor. quad/trackman/garmin. and for funsies. when outdoor, hit 80-100 yard shots at a person. have them stand where the ball hits the ground and then use a range finder to measure the exact carry and compare that against all 3. finally get an idea of how accurate they all are.
Hello everyone!
I wonder why this new device doesn't measure Spin Axis and Spin Rate like the mevo +
to me knowing my carry distances Is the most important. For me, I dont really see the point of a launch monitor if its that for off. I mean I could guess the carry distance by sight better than the R10 reads it.
Thanks for watching! The carry distances from the R10 are actually quite accurate indoors, when compared to a GC Quad. The club path and spin axis are the biggest problem points so far, but here's hoping Garmin can improve those with firmware updates.
Club face and even club path angles look significantly different.
What about Garmin R10 vs FlightScope Mevo
Haven't done that test, but the Mevo (original $500 version) is pretty good for what it does - but it doesn't attempt to measure HLA or spin axis like the R10 does.
Thanks for posting the video. How far back was the R10 from the ball? I've been using my R10 at the range for the last 5 days and have noticed that there is a tendency the R10 does not pick up fairway woods hit off the mat. Have you noticed the same?
R10 was 6 feet back, TM4 was 7 feet back. Haven't tested FW off mat yet.
Thanks for the response. I've been setting the R10 7 feet back. Will try it at 6 ft and see if it makes a difference.
Do you have the r10 the same height as the mat?
Yes, I have the R10 the same height as the mat.
@@waynelee5905 do 8 feet.
Thanks for the vid, do you hit range balls ? I think there is a range ball carry compensation in the trackman but is there one in the r10 ?
These were high-quality range balls (private club). No normalization turned on in TM; in the R10 there is no range ball normalization feature.
I wouldn’t be buying the R10. I’m not sure whether it effected the trackman results being right in front of it but a difference is still a difference and if you’re looking for something to optimise your game then money would be better spent going to a simulator room where they have trackman in my opinion. There’s just way too much difference in the carry distance and spin rates.
Thanks for your feedback, David!
Literally your whole channel is R10 videos David…. How have things changed for you?
If you look in the corner of the track man data blocks you’ll see the +/- tolerances. If you take those into consideration the R10 isn’t far off.
Those aren’t tolerances… those are the session average and the session standard deviation.
Could the R10 be producing more of a “moving average” so to speak? Giving you a number that has removed the standard deviation?
Finally a great comparison video. Does the Garmin allow you to adjust wind direction while in range mode?
Thanks. No wind direction/speed or elevation adjustments to be found in settings.
As another commenter mentioned, this is really interesting (and thanks for sharing!) but it would be much more informative if you compared it to something like a GC Quad (camera-based) as opposed to a Trackman (doppler-based) as two doppler-based units could (honestly, most likely...) interfere with each other.
Thanks for the vid!
Thanks for the feedback! We’ll have an indoor comparison with the GCQuad coming this evening.
I can’t speak for the Garmin, but TM has designed its unit to be operated side by side with other radar units. I believe Flightscope is the same and in fact Flightscope has done videos comparing their hardware with TM side by side. I suspect having two Garmins side by side could be an issue if Garmin has not built in a way to protect for the interference but not sure it would be in this test as both radars could be operating on a different frequency.
@@dax5771 Huh. That's interesting! Thanks for the info!
Do you still have an R10 in stock?
We're pre-selling for a batch arriving in about 3 weeks - they'll likely sell out prior to then: store.gunghogolf.com/Garmin-R10-p375498561
Are we just assuming the track man has to be 100% accurate because it costs more?
It's the gold standard of outdoor launch monitor and trusted by countless Tour players and top-level coaches.
Nice test. Would be interesting to see the impact position on the R10's misses as reported by Trackman. It's unlikely it has any mechanism to compensate for the gear effect of off-center hits and that could be causing at least some of the big misses. It's tough to tell from a youtube video but at least one of the very hooky driver shots from early in the video where the R10 missed big seemed like it was a toe strike.
It’s my understanding that trackman measures spin axis for first 30 yards outside and would expect garmin to do similar so in theory should show gear effect. Also the 7 iron had a few differences and obviously would expect little gear effect on irons
@@russellfothergill9082 The R10 isn't actually measuring spin though like Trackman or Mevo+, it's measuring club path and ball launch and estimating spin from those. My experience with the R10 so far has been that general shot shape is capture fairly well, but it definitely tends to miss on off-center hits.
@@williamhumber5890 ah ok so it’s doing the same calculation for spin axis that mevo plus would do indoors. I thought it was said that it worked better outdoors and I put this down to it having the 30 yards to see ball movement like other radars outside. Thanks for clarifying
You’ve positioned the trackman directly behind the ball and the R10 off to one side so not fair comparison for spin axis!
It may not be clear from the camera angle, but both units were equi-distance from the ball/target line. Since both units were reading horizontal launch direction within 0.1 degrees of each other, and no shots were missed, we consider the setup to be as good as it could get. The R10 has a 24" pickup zone (width and depth), while the TrackMan is around 14" - no problem if either one is slightly offline.
I hope you guys read the comments and actually do a new test without the machines out at the same time interfering with each other and with the garmin lined up behind the ball correctly…would love a proper comparison without the potential issues giving us a unfair result and then we can see how close or far off it is.
agree!
We’re posting an indoor comparison with the GCQuad soon. From other testing, we don’t believe the Garmin and the TM were interfering with each other in this test, but of course it’s impossible to know for certain.
@@gunghogolf R10 should behind the ball you have it off set from line of ball??
You don’t have the R10 lined up correctly with the ball. You have it lined up with the stick.
The "bad reads" on spin axis by the Garmin r10 are caused by gear effect on the severe toe hits. The path, launch direction, and face to path metrics were very similar even on the "bad reads". The Trackman is tracking the spin axis of the actual ball flight, but on the Garmin it looks to be a calculation based on impact data. The first versions of Trackman were not accurate on off center hits, either. A good player or someone who is knowledgeable would still be getting the feedback they need to make swing changes, which almost always revolve around swing path, face angle and the relationship of path to face. So for $600 sign me up! PS I would love to see a better golfer as the tester - someone who can hit intentional fades and draws with different trajectories. The toe hooks, pushes and over draws of someone with a chronic inside-out swing is not really a great test.
This^^^
If Trackman would reduce their price to around 5k they would sell 10x as much... no brainer. Would put skytrack out of business same time.
That would put trackman out of business too. They’re not cheap to make.
never heard of a push draw?
It’s one of 9 possible ball flight patterns - face is open to target line but closed to path. See thesandtrap.com/b/playing_tips/ball_flight_laws for more info.
Great vid guys, really appreciate these.
Also - thanks for the Holy Grail mat, that thing is awesome.
This guy is hitting 260+ with a 3/4 swing. Love it. Is there a little Moe Norman going on in that swing?
Which mat is it? Researching those currently
Thanks Rob! Glad you like the Holy Grail!
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@@gunghogolf loving my holy grail insert in my fiberbuilt mat! So much easier on the joints than the fiberbuilt with more realistic ball interaction! Would you say the Mevo Plus is worth the added cost when compared to the Garmin? I feel like the jump in accuracy and sim features is worth the price jump, but was curious what you guys think? The Garmin seems like an excellent value for a starter sim though.
@@dakoppel The Mevo+ is definitely more accurate and suitable for sim golf. It reads very short chips and putts where currently the R10 does not.
$25k vs $600...send your kid to college for a year and get good practice figures or have the best spin rate data. :) Just sayin'
The trackman is not for people like me who can't buy it and send my kids to Princeton. The trackman is for those who can have it all. Lol.
What driver was that being used? I love the sound of it!
Jake was using a Callaway Mavrik. Thanks for watching!
@@gunghogolf Thank you. Cool.
Why are you focusing on the numbers the r10 can’t directly measure?😂 The only numbers you should be comparing are the ones it can directly measure like ball speed, club speed, launch angle, and launch direction… The rest is only based off algorithm on the Garmin.
Nice video but just put the camera in one place so we can compare the screens. Going back and forth was nauseating
Thanks for your feedback, will try that next time.
What's amusing to me anyways ..... all those spin "discrepancies" mean absolutely nothing to anyone but pro golfers. In other words ... the Garmin is the perfect device for 99.9% of the golfers in the world.
The spin discrepancies can turn your slice into a hook, or vice-versa. Hard to improve if you're not seeing the correct shot shape.
I regret my R10 Purchase. Not usable by me, because I waggle at address, which the unit doesn't like.
Somehow I came to watch a review and got an audio book
Lol, thanks for the laugh today. :) Sorry, wanted to be thorough and also show an un-edited, un-cut video so we couldn't cherry-pick shots.
Line up the garmin properly..
Launch direction (HLA) was within 0.2 degrees on each shot, and it didn't miss a shot - the R10 was aligned properly.
@@gunghogolf no, it wasnt
@@gunghogolf no it wasnt!!!
It is definitely not lined up properly. It is supposed to be lined up directly in a straight line to the ball. Come on man!
Next time have the Garmin aligned properly with the ball and dont have 2 systems so close that probably interfere with each other, and if you lose the ball show us the shot trace. Actually show it anyway, it's just a few swipes. It's almost like all your results here are tainted.
Thanks for the feedback! Alignment was good - horizontal launch angle was nearly identical on nearly every shot. We had each unit a few inches either side of the ball/target line. Moving them further apart (to avoid the questionable problem of interference) would get them too far away from the ball/target line for good reads.
Man, both monitors are not in the same line and R10 is ahead of trackman and closer to the player.
Both monitors were perfectly aligned (they each have a large pickup area, so no problem that one is slightly left of ball and one is slightly right of ball). Horizontal launch angle reads were typically less than 0.1 degree off each other.
The R10 was set at the recommended 6 ft back from ball, and the Trackman was at 7 ft.
$600 deal and spin is junk. Shocker. 😅
Garmin outperform the Trackman 4, the software update on Garmin will fix the discretionary. Don't be fooled by Trackman 4, hardware is the same.
The hardware (and software) between these two units is light-years apart. The radar transmitters/receivers in the TrackMan will follow the actual ball flight all the way to the ground for a 400 yard drive - the Garmin follows it 20-30 yards tops (they haven't disclosed this information, but you can tell by how fast the shot data appears after impact).
Your 27 minute video could have been 10 minutes and enjoyed better. Nice try
Appreciate the feedback. In this video we wanted to show un-cut, un-edited shots with data - to make it shorter would require editing, which would give us the chance to remove "bad" reads from either device (not that we would, but we're trying to be unbiased and fair in our tests).
i’m worried now as i have ordered 1 but i think i’ve wasted my money