This episode we discuss the nature of being submissive in a relationship and how that changes from couple to couple. @goolzby @marcusantonthegram www.manshyt.com www.underreppe...
Submitting to your partner doesn’t mean you let them run over you. It’s a two way street and you should be submitting to each other in areas of strength or skill set
My man complaining about paying the bills but expects sex whenever he wants and complained that I don't even do his laundry. I can't even be as submissive as I want to be because it's too much. I work in a warehouse and he's an artist. His money is up and down and I have to kill myself, damn near, to earn the same amount. He has 3 kids by a bum ass female (who does not work). My daughter is grown (so i have none). Currently reevaluating this relationship and from here on out I will no longer be dealing with men who are not financially stable and need my help to pay for stuff. I feel that is, truly, the only way I will be able to completely walk in a woman's purpose. I can't be his peace and add value if he isn't creating a space for me to do so. Im 47 and I still look good, no menopause and I have no children. Im wasting my precious time. Ladies...date with ambition to avoid what Im going through and lastly...he needs to be a kind loving, loyal faithful man as well. Financial stability is only a part of it.
💯And once again Tank nailed it when he said even some strong women want to be submissive to a MAN as it relates to certain aspects. I could say more but I'm just gone leave that right there!
“Submission = Covering”: as humans who are created to connect and live in community with one another, when you submit you are agreeing to be covered, supported, encouraged, cared for by another. In marriage, the Bible says to submit to each other. Door mat is not submission. Laziness is not submission. Seeing the strength in another and allowing that individual to lead in that area with your trust is submission. Okay…back to watching…y’all are making some great points while speaking about your personal experiences/lives. THANK YOU!
Yes. Submission is "coming under leadership" husbands submit to the Lord, wife submits to husband's leadership because she knows he's being led by God alone. A lot of people view submission as one person being "weaker" or using it as a tool to control and have power. It's not gender roles. It's all about you and your spouse (because we aren't submitting to boyfriends ladies) dying to yourself daily and having reciprocity within your relationship as well.
What Jazzy is doing is more catering not submitting. From what she was saying, he didn't request any of that stuff. She just offered it because that how she feels like she's showing her worth in their relationship. What other women need to know is that Cam Newton is supplying a certain life style which makes her comfortable enough to be able to do all of that stuff. If they're doing all of that for their broke/regular dude, they're getting PLAYED. 😆
On the top of 50/50 , she is submitting financial to the stability of the unit, submitting financially and then to 100% of the personal and family chores. She is then giving 150% and she will be run down attempting to prove that level of energy to the relationship
Submissive always defaults to servitude and it is very strange to me. Being a submissive wife is more than just serving your husband. Maybe is the 40s and 50s that was the default definition because women had no rights and could not work. I believe being submissive is being okay with not having to take the lead on everything in your life as a woman. Hopefully your husband is one you trust to take the lead in your family in the areas he’s strong in and you take the lead in areas you are strong in. To me, it is common sense in 2022 that in order for your family to thrive it takes trust and submitting to each other’s strengths. Egos and archaic beliefs have no place in a healthy family unit. Idk, this is just my opinion.
How? Submission is really not about strength.That argument is never used for men who submit to their wives. They are just seen as weak or not manly enough
@@rue80 It can be a strength because submission requires patience, empathy, forethought, self control, and wisdom. I’m not saying you have to submit constantly-but when you do it is a choice and that choice takes work and it takes strength.
I luv yall, and just subscribed. Keep up the good work! 👏🏾👏🏾 Goose was right when he said women won't submit if you don't have yourself together. And not even financially, but emotionally. The bible calls husbands to be loving leaders, and submission is a natural response to that love. I think Angel said it best on Here'sTheThing: "Submission does not equal servitude." And if we're being honest, *women* aren't supposed to submit, *WIVES* are called to submit. So don't be surprised if your girlfriend doesn't submit to you, she's not supposed to. Folks always wanna quote scripture, but leave God out of it smh
What it comes down to is making sure you are with someone who brings value to your life and you bring value to theirs. I believe that there is nothing wrong with submitting to each other. If I, as a woman, am treating you with love and respect then you should be doing the same with me. All the rest is discussions and compromise.
I’m really enjoying the show. Y’all give so many different perspectives/viewpoints that you don’t hear to much from men. Thank y’all for being yourself and talking about real stuff.
Honestly, I do not understand what SUBMISSIVE means. I just Pretend to. Let him lead? Agree to his ideas 💡? Bow 🙇♀️ down? Is being a helpmate a different role than submission? (The confusion is we’re both grown adults capable of making wise or UNWISE decisions). These were my thoughts BEFORE I watched the video. THANKS GUYS! I think I get it now.
Tank - correct. Housework and things can be outsourced, so we cannot use that as a man or woman as a benefit we are bringing to the table. Most of us grew up having the clean, and if we could get someone else to do it for us we would. Hence, my brothers paying me when it was their turn to do dishes.
My personal perspective on submission is that it isn't so much which roles or tasks each partner takes on for the household, but a dynamic where one partner defers to the other as the "leader" and most, if not all, decisions are made by the "leader". I'm not a submissive person and my spouse isn't either. We typically act independently of one another except for major decisions or when we need to coordinate schedules or care/supervision for the kids.
Growing up in a family of strong aggressive black women and I never saw 👀 my mom back down but I decided to go against the grain and approach my marriage different and we decided to submit ourselves to our roles and what agreement we have works 💪
Submission is not servitude or meekness. I think for this conversation submission should first be defined properly. If you define it according to the Bible, submission is to honor and devote yourself to your partner as you do to God. Idk just my thought. I think we are a bit confused on the definition.
Tank!!!! "That's called a personal assistant" THANK YOU!!!!! Unfortunately for many they believe submissive partners are unpaid servants. It's like you said what there are intangibles that make that person irreplaceable or at least hard to replace and you both recognize your strengths and let them lead in that way.
I love yall, Yall are like my Internet big brothers, I tune in weekly. I was just talking religious figures this morning...that's a whole nother discussion tho!
Women want to be submissive, but men especially in US often don't know how to be dominant. So it is not about her attitude, it is his personality also. With dominance you have to take responsibility, well the latter is missing in nowadays guys.
I’ve always believed/been taught that we are all submissive to someone. Men are to submit to Christ, Christ submits to God. A wife and a husband submit to each other/work together as a surgeon and anesthesiologist work together. What a lot of immature and insecure people thinks being submissive is submitting to demands or requirements that are contrary to your natural personality. Doing what she’s told without question. That is a child, that is not a partner. So I’m glad that you both clarified that for those that needed it. I don’t mind submitting if I can trust you and you have proved yourself to be trustworthy and to put me in the family first. And you’re good at it . As long as you trust me to handle things I am better at.
I can honestly say I'm the person Tank described Angel to be. I take care of my house but when I get with someone I need to see where his strengths are and then run parallel. Between the 2 of us, we'll cover down on everything for the household. There are times when I may have to step up more and vice versa. So, I don't want to do everything for someone nor do I want someone to do everything for me. I want a partnership. Good episode guys 👍🏾
I would love Shan and Angel with them. New & Experienced marriage/relationship discussion like what you thought in the beginning Vs what it is after a decade
Ok so from my personal experience in marriage of 11 years submission to me is a choice. When I married my husband I relinquished all of my rights and adopted him as head of household. That was a transition for me coming from a family of strong west Indian women who were more in number in my family than men. As well as a internal struggle not seeing marriage and submission in my family. As my husband's partner I empower him as the person to make the final decision regarding our household. That said as his partner I support him by creating a safe space for him to have peace of mind. Regardless of outcome we arrive together. If he fails to make the best decision i pray next go- round he will be much wiser and i pray for him and not tear him down- we fail together. When we have success we have it together. We assist each other with household items and there are no gender roles in our home. If you graced to perform the task you are selected to take the lead for that particular job. If there are any gaps the other partner jumps in to do what ever it takes to make the bridge for the team to keep it pushing, Period. Don't mean to be deep but consider Jesus being on the cross he "willfully" gave up his life. He did not remind those around him of the power he had or what he could potentially do. Rather he got under just like we would using an umbrella to surrender to the plan/ assignment at hand. That is how I see submission as a choice and to each is own respectfully. Submission is such a special gift and has been a life saver in my marriage personally. I do not believe in Happy wife, happy life and have received some slack for it. Think about it - I'm putting pressure on another person to perform to make me happy as a human that is evolving daily. People change and grow daily. He is not able to live his own life trying to run behind me to make me happy. To me this is lopsided. It's a equal responsibility to assist each other in the team winning- everyone feeling loved, supported, appreciated, prized, valued etc. What I've found in my own relationship is that when my husband is bothered by external or even internal matters our house is weighted with that energy. So now we have the head of my household impacted mentally and possibly emotionally. What type of decisions do you think he will make for our family. Some great points raised in this discussion to think about. Thanks for the opportunity to share a little of how I see submission in my world.
Submission means CHOOSING to put your energy, power, wisdom, and focus into the vision of the person who is leading. Most of us live this out every day at work. Your boss has a vision for how to accomplish the work of the business, you take his/her direction, you trust that they can see and are managing the bigger picture, and you work to be excellent in whatever role you have. In return for your work, you get regular, reliable benefits (pay, insurance). If your boss is a poor leader, abuses or takes advantage of you, you don’t submit very long or you escalate to a higher authority. Now if we are able to do this for strangers, with a decent attitude (I hope), why would we give less to our committed spouse and partner in life? Submission is not slavery or subservience, it’s not shameful and it doesn’t mean you have less value. Until we all understand what submission means, and why it’s necessary for harmonious relationships, we will continue to see perversions around it. We have to guard our hearts and minds.
Yess, listening at that interview, it didn't seem like she was getting anything except "the joy of taking care of her man & reading his mind, so basically he doesn't have to think about anything" yet she doesn't know how to ask for what she requires in return from him...that's the part that seemed one sided, but if that's what works for their relationship, then I don't see a problem---but that's a service, that can be paid for (sooo true Tank). Y'all are hilarious "put some lavender in his water" hahaha!! ....I completely agree "submission is making sure the household works, it's teamwork"
I saw the same video y’all saw and feel the same way. No man on this earth has a heaven or hell to put me in so I don’t worship any like they are God. Sadly no one has had a chance to teach this young lady. I don’t have a problem with submission. My husband isn’t going to do anything to me that is going to harm me and that’s why I have no issue with it. Submission goes both ways in a relationship. I think couples submit all of the time. I think it’s simply what you said, you do what works in your home so that it runs smoothly.
Regarding the video of homegirl packing her man’s things, unpacking his things, etc to me sounded more like she is of service to him vs submissive to him.
I don't mind submitting when needed but I'm not going to do it and I'm not getting the same thing in return and I love communication so we can discuss how submission looks like in our relationship and what we are looking for and what we expect before living together
😂😂😂😂so funny and true. That pastor is nasty and I am surprised he is still a pastor with a congregation. That other lady submission has a price tag, plus is that really submission or service?
I agree with both of them. neither have submissive wives though. What Goose said about the cooking, she also had to eat and it's just doing something nice that she didn't mind doing. The problem is some people see that as submission. It's just being kind and showing concern for each other.
I really feel people just want someone who they can rely on in the journey of life and not have a grown child. Someone who we can communicate with and understand we see and think differently.
I agree. It makes me wonder if those people see any value in truly having a partner/spouse. I'd like to add that some also confuse submission to obedience.
While you doing dat, I'm cutting his finger nails!!! Bwyoah woah woah!!! 😂 😂 😂 😂 You two always have me cacklin out loud, straight up embarrassing myself!! 😂 😂 9
I don't get why a 60 year old would want to be with anyone younger than 40. It's gross. I mean I'm 36 and I have no interest in anyone that's 26 and no interest in anyone 60+ now will mess with a 50 y.o but that's a 14 y.o difference they have a 40 year difference yuck
Keeping a clean house and fixing your man a plate doesn't equal submission just like fixing a woman's car or fixing her sink doesn't make him a simp. There's a lot of miscommunication out here on both sides. You've got dudes living in their mom's basement talking about they're alpha males (the very concept of which was debunked by its creator) and women out here thinking that because they can write big checks on their own that they don't need men. Men and women need each other but we've got some work to do.
I like men that like to take the lead and know when to but i don’t necessarily want to be dominated or feel liked I’m being forced into submission. As a person that can be indecisive at time it’s nice to have someone that is more knowledgeable or experienced to take the lead. Aside from that I think maintaining a home and rearing child is a joint venture as you all stated. I don’t mind cooking for my man now and again but I’d prefer we cooked together because that quality time spent together but if he working late I’d make sure he have dinner when he get home and I would want the same in return.
Tank don't want angel doing nothing bc he feels like she dont do it right (loading the dishwasher, folding clothes, etc not bc he want to take pressure off her but bc he feels she's doing it wrong)
Her mother, father and/or grandmother all needs to be got on sight. They can’t be looking out for her or giving her any good advice. It sounds so archaic when they married young girls off to older men…ugh😠
My husband thinks the idea of me submitting to him, or vice versa, is ridiculous, as do I. The prefix, "sub" means below or beneath, so, no, not a word that is used in my household Lol. Now, I'll submit a suggestion, but that's about the only way that word is used. There is mutual respect, and love, everything else flows from there. We both lead in areas we're strong in. I'm not sure when caring for someone became synonymous with submitting to a partner. I feel like the word has taken on a life of its own. If people find value in submitting, good for them. It's not anything I've ever been interested in, or how I've ever seen romantic relationships.
Straight SETTING IT TF OFF. I keep trying to tell ppl it is just a building. Its on SITE wherever. Straight grooming this lil girl. If I actually went to church he would have to step down being my pastor. When the right one comes along we naturally submit if he is worth it if thats what we want to do. Really a give and take depends on the couple. Honestly we wouldn't be submissive with a broke partner we too busy making money or stressed. We can't even live our feminine energy so how does one become submissive.
I do agree with the submission being a two way street when it comes to your relationship and making decisions. I wouldn’t want a submissive man however and I’m definitely NOT a submissive woman only in the bedroom you can have full control there but even then being submissive in the bedroom done properly the submissive is still really the one in control. But I don’t like to be told what to do and I wouldn’t want a man that just did what he was told. Asked sure but told nah!
I can understand to extent what ole girl was saying up until she was said she wouldn’t do it for someone making the same amount as her. That lets me know you’re not doing it out of love you’re doing it to feel needed, it’s low key manipulative. People have the wrong idea of what submission is, it’s not acting like a man’s mother. Thinking of what he needs before he needs it is what a mother does for her child. Submission is honoring the same goals for the family you created and each person doing their part but being flexible enough to shift when needed.
This pastor is mentally and spiritually strpping her. She will eventually be traumatized and list in the world / society. She will not know how to have a voice. This is sad
That story was from ghetto Florida. I think he was a stepdad or close family friend, it's all so gross. The mama is ratchet, and clearly it was a toxic mother daughter relationship, which I think the she was a Crack head and a was in prison. The whole relationship is toxic toxic toxic. 🤷
I have so much to say, but I’m too tired to do all that work. I will just leave you with this. I don’t like the word submission. Couples are EQUAL PARTNERS. Both partners should help each other out.Make their lives easier as a couple.
I don’t follow astrology anymore but for sure I can say personality just like many other things in this world and universe created by God has a system, cycle, structure to it. That’s why Greg and Marcus are so close in personality preferences etc. I won’t say more
This made me sub! The crypt keeper marrying a baby! Black people, we need to do better! This is not even the first story like this within the last two years. DISGUSTING!
@47:20 when Marcus said her services could be paid forit made me think 🤔 well so can fixing a tire, loading a dishwasher and washing clothes. The point is don't diminish her love language (acts of services). It's value in it. Ain't nothing worst than being told that nobody asked you for your love.
Submitting to your partner doesn’t mean you let them run over you. It’s a two way street and you should be submitting to each other in areas of strength or skill set
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This! This is what people miss when speaking about submission. When done right, with the right person, it really does work for our good.
Thank God that someone said it lol
Right, submit to each other
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It’s the way yawl protect women for me! We need more like you.
Right!! I absolutely love their protective demeanor towards women; especially black women and even more their wives. The love is there and it shows!
Yes Lord, please clone them.
Yes I love that about them.
I’m fighting on sight! It’s grooming! I’m fighting the whole congregation!
Exactly what I was saying. Disgusting.
All I could hear in my head was "Knuck if you Buck" and baby I'm bucking! 👊🏽👊🏽
Exactly. The age I have issue with on multiple levels but the grooming is beyond F N wrong. It happens more than we know.
@@MzHues it definitely happens more than it’s talked about
@@ladytaylor4299 I sweah
My man complaining about paying the bills but expects sex whenever he wants and complained that I don't even do his laundry. I can't even be as submissive as I want to be because it's too much. I work in a warehouse and he's an artist. His money is up and down and I have to kill myself, damn near, to earn the same amount. He has 3 kids by a bum ass female (who does not work). My daughter is grown (so i have none). Currently reevaluating this relationship and from here on out I will no longer be dealing with men who are not financially stable and need my help to pay for stuff. I feel that is, truly, the only way I will be able to completely walk in a woman's purpose. I can't be his peace and add value if he isn't creating a space for me to do so. Im 47 and I still look good, no menopause and I have no children. Im wasting my precious time. Ladies...date with ambition to avoid what Im going through and lastly...he needs to be a kind loving, loyal faithful man as well. Financial stability is only a part of it.
I hope you left
he’s a beta girl get a alpha so u can fully submit.
💯And once again Tank nailed it when he said even some strong women want to be submissive to a MAN as it relates to certain aspects. I could say more but I'm just gone leave that right there!
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“Submission = Covering”: as humans who are created to connect and live in community with one another, when you submit you are agreeing to be covered, supported, encouraged, cared for by another. In marriage, the Bible says to submit to each other. Door mat is not submission. Laziness is not submission. Seeing the strength in another and allowing that individual to lead in that area with your trust is submission. Okay…back to watching…y’all are making some great points while speaking about your personal experiences/lives. THANK YOU!
Yes. Submission is "coming under leadership" husbands submit to the Lord, wife submits to husband's leadership because she knows he's being led by God alone.
A lot of people view submission as one person being "weaker" or using it as a tool to control and have power. It's not gender roles. It's all about you and your spouse (because we aren't submitting to boyfriends ladies) dying to yourself daily and having reciprocity within your relationship as well.
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What Jazzy is doing is more catering not submitting. From what she was saying, he didn't request any of that stuff. She just offered it because that how she feels like she's showing her worth in their relationship. What other women need to know is that Cam Newton is supplying a certain life style which makes her comfortable enough to be able to do all of that stuff. If they're doing all of that for their broke/regular dude, they're getting PLAYED. 😆
On the top of 50/50 , she is submitting financial to the stability of the unit, submitting financially and then to 100% of the personal and family chores. She is then giving 150% and she will be run down attempting to prove that level of energy to the relationship
Submissive always defaults to servitude and it is very strange to me. Being a submissive wife is more than just serving your husband. Maybe is the 40s and 50s that was the default definition because women had no rights and could not work.
I believe being submissive is being okay with not having to take the lead on everything in your life as a woman. Hopefully your husband is one you trust to take the lead in your family in the areas he’s strong in and you take the lead in areas you are strong in.
To me, it is common sense in 2022 that in order for your family to thrive it takes trust and submitting to each other’s strengths. Egos and archaic beliefs have no place in a healthy family unit. Idk, this is just my opinion.
Sometimes, submitting to your husband requires STRENGTH not weakness.
How? Submission is really not about strength.That argument is never used for men who submit to their wives. They are just seen as weak or not manly enough
@@rue80 It can be a strength because submission requires patience, empathy, forethought, self control, and wisdom. I’m not saying you have to submit constantly-but when you do it is a choice and that choice takes work and it takes strength.
You guys work so well together and respect each other as men very refreshing to see.
That preacher was grooming her. That’s exactly what it.
Ex👏🏾ac👏🏾t👏🏾ly and it’s sick! Anyone who is still sitting in that congregation is sick as well and children should be no where near them
I luv yall, and just subscribed. Keep up the good work! 👏🏾👏🏾
Goose was right when he said women won't submit if you don't have yourself together. And not even financially, but emotionally. The bible calls husbands to be loving leaders, and submission is a natural response to that love. I think Angel said it best on Here'sTheThing: "Submission does not equal servitude." And if we're being honest, *women* aren't supposed to submit, *WIVES* are called to submit. So don't be surprised if your girlfriend doesn't submit to you, she's not supposed to. Folks always wanna quote scripture, but leave God out of it smh
You betta PREACH!!!
This podcast gets better every episode 👏🏿 congrats guys ya'll got a hit !!! Please bring on more guest 🙏
Adjustable wrench is a perfect term. Lol. Great subject/content today gents. Keep speaking the truth, my brothers. #RealTalkForRealMen
What it comes down to is making sure you are with someone who brings value to your life and you bring value to theirs. I believe that there is nothing wrong with submitting to each other. If I, as a woman, am treating you with love and respect then you should be doing the same with me. All the rest is discussions and compromise.
I’m really enjoying the show. Y’all give so many different perspectives/viewpoints that you don’t hear to much from men. Thank y’all for being yourself and talking about real stuff.
Honestly, I do not understand what SUBMISSIVE means. I just Pretend to. Let him lead? Agree to his ideas 💡? Bow 🙇♀️ down? Is being a helpmate a different role than submission? (The confusion is we’re both grown adults capable of making wise or UNWISE decisions). These were my thoughts BEFORE I watched the video. THANKS GUYS! I think I get it now.
Tank - correct. Housework and things can be outsourced, so we cannot use that as a man or woman as a benefit we are bringing to the table. Most of us grew up having the clean, and if we could get someone else to do it for us we would. Hence, my brothers paying me when it was their turn to do dishes.
My personal perspective on submission is that it isn't so much which roles or tasks each partner takes on for the household, but a dynamic where one partner defers to the other as the "leader" and most, if not all, decisions are made by the "leader". I'm not a submissive person and my spouse isn't either. We typically act independently of one another except for major decisions or when we need to coordinate schedules or care/supervision for the kids.
It's easy to submit to a man that you admire and respect but much more difficult to submit to an idiot.
Growing up in a family of strong aggressive black women and I never saw 👀 my mom back down but I decided to go against the grain and approach my marriage different and we decided to submit ourselves to our roles and what agreement we have works 💪
I love that you guys approached this from a realistic perspective.
It’s extremely refreshing to hear some humble opinions, and I agree with you guys on the whole 50-50 teamwork thing. Well done
Submission is not servitude or meekness. I think for this conversation submission should first be defined properly. If you define it according to the Bible, submission is to honor and devote yourself to your partner as you do to God. Idk just my thought. I think we are a bit confused on the definition.
'blase blase' I need it on a tshirt
Tank!!!! "That's called a personal assistant" THANK YOU!!!!! Unfortunately for many they believe submissive partners are unpaid servants. It's like you said what there are intangibles that make that person irreplaceable or at least hard to replace and you both recognize your strengths and let them lead in that way.
I love yall, Yall are like my Internet big brothers, I tune in weekly. I was just talking religious figures this morning...that's a whole nother discussion tho!
I look forward to Friday just for this podcast #Gaggle Gang #Tanks Ridas
Women want to be submissive, but men especially in US often don't know how to be dominant. So it is not about her attitude, it is his personality also. With dominance you have to take responsibility, well the latter is missing in nowadays guys.
Chiiiilllleeee, I'm finna listen to this on my layover cuz this title can branch off into so many different types of conversations.
I’ve always believed/been taught that we are all submissive to someone. Men are to submit to Christ, Christ submits to God. A wife and a husband submit to each other/work together as a surgeon and anesthesiologist work together.
What a lot of immature and insecure people thinks being submissive is submitting to demands or requirements that are contrary to your natural personality. Doing what she’s told without question. That is a child, that is not a partner. So I’m glad that you both clarified that for those that needed it.
I don’t mind submitting if I can trust you and you have proved yourself to be trustworthy and to put me in the family first. And you’re good at it . As long as you trust me to handle things I am better at.
I can honestly say I'm the person Tank described Angel to be. I take care of my house but when I get with someone I need to see where his strengths are and then run parallel. Between the 2 of us, we'll cover down on everything for the household. There are times when I may have to step up more and vice versa. So, I don't want to do everything for someone nor do I want someone to do everything for me. I want a partnership.
Good episode guys 👍🏾
I actually would love to see yall have an episode w/ Shan Boody!!
I would love Shan and Angel with them. New & Experienced marriage/relationship discussion like what you thought in the beginning Vs what it is after a decade
Soo, it's not her love language if the financial dynamics changes 🤔
Ok so from my personal experience in marriage of 11 years submission to me is a choice. When I married my husband I relinquished all of my rights and adopted him as head of household. That was a transition for me coming from a family of strong west Indian women who were more in number in my family than men. As well as a internal struggle not seeing marriage and submission in my family. As my husband's partner I empower him as the person to make the final decision regarding our household. That said as his partner I support him by creating a safe space for him to have peace of mind. Regardless of outcome we arrive together. If he fails to make the best decision i pray next go- round he will be much wiser and i pray for him and not tear him down- we fail together. When we have success we have it together. We assist each other with household items and there are no gender roles in our home. If you graced to perform the task you are selected to take the lead for that particular job. If there are any gaps the other partner jumps in to do what ever it takes to make the bridge for the team to keep it pushing, Period. Don't mean to be deep but consider Jesus being on the cross he "willfully" gave up his life. He did not remind those around him of the power he had or what he could potentially do. Rather he got under just like we would using an umbrella to surrender to the plan/ assignment at hand. That is how I see submission as a choice and to each is own respectfully. Submission is such a special gift and has been a life saver in my marriage personally. I do not believe in Happy wife, happy life and have received some slack for it. Think about it - I'm putting pressure on another person to perform to make me happy as a human that is evolving daily. People change and grow daily. He is not able to live his own life trying to run behind me to make me happy. To me this is lopsided. It's a equal responsibility to assist each other in the team winning- everyone feeling loved, supported, appreciated, prized, valued etc. What I've found in my own relationship is that when my husband is bothered by external or even internal matters our house is weighted with that energy. So now we have the head of my household impacted mentally and possibly emotionally. What type of decisions do you think he will make for our family. Some great points raised in this discussion to think about. Thanks for the opportunity to share a little of how I see submission in my world.
Girl...that alot
Submission means CHOOSING to put your energy, power, wisdom, and focus into the vision of the person who is leading. Most of us live this out every day at work. Your boss has a vision for how to accomplish the work of the business, you take his/her direction, you trust that they can see and are managing the bigger picture, and you work to be excellent in whatever role you have. In return for your work, you get regular, reliable benefits (pay, insurance). If your boss is a poor leader, abuses or takes advantage of you, you don’t submit very long or you escalate to a higher authority.
Now if we are able to do this for strangers, with a decent attitude (I hope), why would we give less to our committed spouse and partner in life? Submission is not slavery or subservience, it’s not shameful and it doesn’t mean you have less value. Until we all understand what submission means, and why it’s necessary for harmonious relationships, we will continue to see perversions around it. We have to guard our hearts and minds.
To be submissive doesn’t mean to be dominated, when one person in the relationship thinks, it’s my way or no way, that’s where the problems arise.
Yess, listening at that interview, it didn't seem like she was getting anything except "the joy of taking care of her man & reading his mind, so basically he doesn't have to think about anything" yet she doesn't know how to ask for what she requires in return from him...that's the part that seemed one sided, but if that's what works for their relationship, then I don't see a problem---but that's a service, that can be paid for (sooo true Tank). Y'all are hilarious "put some lavender in his water" hahaha!! ....I completely agree "submission is making sure the household works, it's teamwork"
I like submitting to one another and doing things for each other.
Same
I saw the same video y’all saw and feel the same way. No man on this earth has a heaven or hell to put me in so I don’t worship any like they are God. Sadly no one has had a chance to teach this young lady.
I don’t have a problem with submission. My husband isn’t going to do anything to me that is going to harm me and that’s why I have no issue with it. Submission goes both ways in a relationship. I think couples submit all of the time. I think it’s simply what you said, you do what works in your home so that it runs smoothly.
Regarding the video of homegirl packing her man’s things, unpacking his things, etc to me sounded more like she is of service to him vs submissive to him.
Very enlightening! I love your show! No need to edit anything as far as I'm concerned, lol!
I don't mind submitting when needed but I'm not going to do it and I'm not getting the same thing in return and I love communication so we can discuss how submission looks like in our relationship and what we are looking for and what we expect before living together
I hopped in cars when I was younger. However, I was held against my will for 6 hours at 20, so I stopped doing that. 🤣🤣
The fact that you two put on your lady’s lashes makes me love you that much more. 🥰
loooool. #CUT No Violence. No Threats. #TAKE2 "...and today's episode, we're talking about Submissive Women." Lawd, my two LUTI hosts!
😂😂😂😂so funny and true. That pastor is nasty and I am surprised he is still a pastor with a congregation. That other lady submission has a price tag, plus is that really submission or service?
He probably has been grooming her for years. Sad truth this is common in ALL types of churches.
I agree with both of them. neither have submissive wives though. What Goose said about the cooking, she also had to eat and it's just doing something nice that she didn't mind doing. The problem is some people see that as submission. It's just being kind and showing concern for each other.
I really feel people just want someone who they can rely on in the journey of life and not have a grown child. Someone who we can communicate with and understand we see and think differently.
Some seem to confuse submission with a maid/"fleshlight" when describing the purpose of a wife... is very strange
I agree. It makes me wonder if those people see any value in truly having a partner/spouse. I'd like to add that some also confuse submission to obedience.
Excellent episode
Assisting with the eyelash glue waiting for them cheeks 🤣🤣
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS SHOW!!!!!
You preaching good at 16:46, share the LOAD men! Especially if we have to get up and go to work too!
I definitely love this topic especially coming from black men- there’s a lot of takeoffs from this- thanks for sharing.
While you doing dat, I'm cutting his finger nails!!! Bwyoah woah woah!!! 😂 😂 😂 😂 You two always have me cacklin out loud, straight up embarrassing myself!! 😂 😂 9
I don't get why a 60 year old would want to be with anyone younger than 40. It's gross. I mean I'm 36 and I have no interest in anyone that's 26 and no interest in anyone 60+ now will mess with a 50 y.o but that's a 14 y.o difference they have a 40 year difference yuck
That Cam Newton response was 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 (still watching…)
The first thought I had is that you all have on similar shirts😂😂. They are nice though!!
Keeping a clean house and fixing your man a plate doesn't equal submission just like fixing a woman's car or fixing her sink doesn't make him a simp. There's a lot of miscommunication out here on both sides. You've got dudes living in their mom's basement talking about they're alpha males (the very concept of which was debunked by its creator) and women out here thinking that because they can write big checks on their own that they don't need men. Men and women need each other but we've got some work to do.
I like men that like to take the lead and know when to but i don’t necessarily want to be dominated or feel liked I’m being forced into submission. As a person that can be indecisive at time it’s nice to have someone that is more knowledgeable or experienced to take the lead. Aside from that I think maintaining a home and rearing child is a joint venture as you all stated. I don’t mind cooking for my man now and again but I’d prefer we cooked together because that quality time spent together but if he working late I’d make sure he have dinner when he get home and I would want the same in return.
Tank don't want angel doing nothing bc he feels like she dont do it right (loading the dishwasher, folding clothes, etc not bc he want to take pressure off her but bc he feels she's doing it wrong)
Ok y'all crazy🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great episode!
🤣🤣🤣🤣’Toxic algorithm!’
He was watching her from the start waiting for the day she was 18…sick
Her mother, father and/or grandmother all needs to be got on sight. They can’t be looking out for her or giving her any good advice. It sounds so archaic when they married young girls off to older men…ugh😠
i’m a female in my early forties with a 20yo son. No way I would date someone 18-30, 35+ yes!
Awesome guys!!!!
My husband thinks the idea of me submitting to him, or vice versa, is ridiculous, as do I. The prefix, "sub" means below or beneath, so, no, not a word that is used in my household Lol. Now, I'll submit a suggestion, but that's about the only way that word is used. There is mutual respect, and love, everything else flows from there. We both lead in areas we're strong in. I'm not sure when caring for someone became synonymous with submitting to a partner. I feel like the word has taken on a life of its own. If people find value in submitting, good for them. It's not anything I've ever been interested in, or how I've ever seen romantic relationships.
Yo bruh yall do look like the hood Mario and Luigi....Lol
Two fine ass men....Mel and angel are so blessed
Straight SETTING IT TF OFF. I keep trying to tell ppl it is just a building. Its on SITE wherever. Straight grooming this lil girl. If I actually went to church he would have to step down being my pastor.
When the right one comes along we naturally submit if he is worth it if thats what we want to do. Really a give and take depends on the couple. Honestly we wouldn't be submissive with a broke partner we too busy making money or stressed. We can't even live our feminine energy so how does one become submissive.
Love this
I am a team player who is respectful. I can be submissive. If he acts out of pocket he will be dealt with in public or not.
These men are smart and are broad thinking.
I do agree with the submission being a two way street when it comes to your relationship and making decisions. I wouldn’t want a submissive man however and I’m definitely NOT a submissive woman only in the bedroom you can have full control there but even then being submissive in the bedroom done properly the submissive is still really the one in control. But I don’t like to be told what to do and I wouldn’t want a man that just did what he was told. Asked sure but told nah!
He is dang near 3x her age. That's a problem
The bible does also say we are supposed to submit one to another!
I can understand to extent what ole girl was saying up until she was said she wouldn’t do it for someone making the same amount as her. That lets me know you’re not doing it out of love you’re doing it to feel needed, it’s low key manipulative.
People have the wrong idea of what submission is, it’s not acting like a man’s mother. Thinking of what he needs before he needs it is what a mother does for her child. Submission is honoring the same goals for the family you created and each person doing their part but being flexible enough to shift when needed.
I don’t see that as submission, I think that’s her why if spoiling him.
That church is in Des Moines IA.
This pastor is mentally and spiritually strpping her. She will eventually be traumatized and list in the world / society. She will not know how to have a voice. This is sad
look how they are dressed in the toxic masculinity episode lmaoo
That pastor is in Iowa.
Yeah, you are not going to tell me that he wasn’t grooming her!
👏🏾Kick em in the chest!
...BEEP! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
That’s definitely grooming 🤬
Where are yall from with those heavy accents
Tank from Lexington Kentucky, Goose from Decatur Georgia
That story was from ghetto Florida. I think he was a stepdad or close family friend, it's all so gross. The mama is ratchet, and clearly it was a toxic mother daughter relationship, which I think the she was a Crack head and a was in prison. The whole relationship is toxic toxic toxic. 🤷
I have so much to say, but I’m too tired to do all that work. I will just leave you with this. I don’t like the word submission. Couples are EQUAL PARTNERS. Both partners should help each other out.Make their lives easier as a couple.
I don’t follow astrology anymore but for sure I can say personality just like many other things in this world and universe created by God has a system, cycle, structure to it. That’s why Greg and Marcus are so close in personality preferences etc. I won’t say more
Sounds like he had been grooming her
This made me sub! The crypt keeper marrying a baby! Black people, we need to do better! This is not even the first story like this within the last two years. DISGUSTING!
timestamp 35:55 couldn't be me, he could have serial killer
The whole thing is sickening
@47:20 when Marcus said her services could be paid forit made me think 🤔 well so can fixing a tire, loading a dishwasher and washing clothes. The point is don't diminish her love language (acts of services). It's value in it. Ain't nothing worst than being told that nobody asked you for your love.
He sound like such a beta male