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I’m a Milwaukee M12/M18 tool guy, who wanted a decent oscillating multi-tool that was brushless. I ended up getting the Dewalt XR multi-tool in a kit. Probably others have done the same. Now I sit with the Dewalt multi-tool with Milwaukee coming out with their new M12 and M18 multi-tools...damn!
@jami w I have actually used both of them ( the old M12 not the new fuel) and I the shape is more useful for my uses then the trigger. Everyone has their preferences for different reasons.
@jami w the auto load feature on Milwaukee is way better then the variable trigger for plunge cuts once you get used to it in my opinion. I was die hard Dewalt guy we’ve run the XR for years and years now I’ve been in the business 15 years and used it for a lot of them. The vibration dampening alone is worth switch if you use them daily not to mention the Milwaukee stays cooler and secures the blade better using two forms of tension. Don’t get me wrong still think the XR is a great tool but it’s dated until Dewalt makes improvements I’ll be switching over the atomic is junk and the XR needs better cooling, more power and more dampening. I’ve had trigger fail on multiple units although they MORE then payed for themselves I think the heat and dust egress played a big role in that. Hopefully we will see a flexvolt advantage multi tool one day and I’ll be back because I prefer Dewalt ergonomics but I think the Milwaukee are superior for the time being. I just wish the m12 had auto load I was kinda bummed when I got it but we bought the m18 once released and now replacing the rest of our old XR with them. Once you get used to the auto setting it allows for precise plunge cuts without having to make any adjustments and no trigger to wear out.
I love the variable speed trigger on the dewault vs the switch on the Milwaukee. Makes a big difference when trying to ease into a cut then letting it rip. Also as you pointed out the dewalt blade change is still superior. Perhaps the Milwaukee is better for finer more precise cuts? I love both brands.
Your right about the trigger being handy at easing into cut, but I find the overall shape to be a pain to maneuver. And the blade change is quicker, but overall more bulky and doesn’t take star lock blades.
The new M18 Fuel has an automatic mode that is supposed to mimic the same effect...but it costs $229 so probably not worth it on that alone. Unfortunately, they did not integrate that feature into the M12 Fuel version.
I think it’s worth pointing out the trigger is a point of failure for Dewalt though I have 2 in my tool box I need to send in. Although they went through hell before going out the XR lasted a few years the atomic less then 1. Both failed the same way trigger starts to cut out eventually not working at all.
I just purchased the Milwaukee, and had been using the Dewalt XR for over a year now. The Dewalt change blade is faster..however… I realized I dont change blades often, the Milwaukee cuts are so much faster… Id prob make up the extra time changing the blade in just 2 cuts. This speed comes at a price… At least in my test… the Dewalt cut was cleaner at full speed, it just looked like the speed of Milwaukee was shaving too much material of the cut… dewalt was slower but cleaner cut
The Milwaukee has the variable speed dial right next to your thumb when holding it. You turn it on, and it's on, and you adjust the speed while it's going. There's no need for a variable speed trigger. Triggers and pistol grips on grinders and jam saws are super tedious and probably cause arthritis
Is it ‘fanboy’ or intending to show frustration with the grip design? I use both styles of grip (over several brands) and? That frustration is real. I find the Dewalt grip is great for the work associated with flooring installs.......’others’ get used elsewhere.
You make some of the most informative and entertaining videos of any woodworkers on RUclips. And that's not the easiest combo to pull of I'm sure. I'm thankful for all great tool info, but being locked in due to the unicorn virus your wit is a welcomed bonus. Keep them coming and thanks for the makita vs m18 vacuum review.
DeWalt is my go to tool. It replaced my Bosch 12v. I still have both but I just always go to the bigger tool. My guess is I would do the same if I had the Milwaukee.
I've had the dewalt multi tool for idk 7 years now, I've beat the hell out of that thing. I keep waiting for it to die but the thing can't stop won't stop!
CraftManGreg reminds me of my Dewalt table saw, as much as I’d like to get a new one- that old unit won’t quit or stop being awesome...may have to drop it down a stairwell:)
I was expecting mine to have an early death, because it gets abused nearly every day, and very early on I noticed the grip gets hot, obviously they must have put the mosfets in the grip. I thought the electronics were going to crap themselves, but it's been rock solid. However I hate the ergonomics, I hate the excessive vibration, and Dewalt has the worst battery vibration mitigation out of any tool brand, so if you don't watch out you risk melting the plastic where tool and battery surfaces contact each other. The vibration can also cause the battery contacts to wear out and no longer make contact. This issue happened to my Flexvolt reciprocating saw after just under a year of use, the contacts got so worn that it started having errors, running intermittently, and alternating randomly between full power and about 1/3rd power. Cleaning the contacts with Paslode cleaner worked for a while, but eventually it began to only run at that 1/3rd speed, and only if the battery had 3 bars. My suspicion, due to how the Flexvolt tool is part of the circuit that rearranges the battery to 54v instead of 18v, is that it was only drawing from 5 or 10 of the 15 cells in the battery. Thankfully it was repaired under warranty, however I am less likely to use the tool now, and have bought a cheap brushed recip saw, to take some of the load off, as getting caught without it really messed up some of my days.
@@Patrick-857 that's weird... I have both the oscillating tool and 60 volt flexvolt reciprocating saw. I have not experienced any of the issues you speak of. I am a heavy user and do not baby my tool. I will confirm that the oscillating tool does vibrate a lot. Dewalt needs to cut down on the vibration on the next generation.
@@justgregnow It's possible that my issue is exacerbated by abrasive dust from fibrous cement and plasterboard. I do a lot of demo and remedial work and tools die pretty quick at our outfit, the boss refuses to buy anything but super cheapo corded multi tools now. It's a Bunnings brand called Ozito. They cost about $60 NZD, and are surprisingly durable.
Thanks. I almost bought the dewalt today. I’m glad I watched this. Totally understand the ergonomics issues. That would drive me insane. My makita is just too big and beastly, it’s hard to use in tight spaces or one handed. Seems like the Milwaukee is the way to go.
I totally agree ypu said exactly what I was gonna say, ima a milwaukee true fan but the dewalt 20v oscillating tool & the "D" handle SDS rotary hammer drill , ...its a must for me im my field of work.
It is exactly the problem. No two tools function the same and tools should not have one universal grip. The grip needs to fit the function the tool performs. The round tube grip of the Milwaukee is perfect for a multitool.
You should(even though I don’t) remove the power source when changing blades on any tool,ideally. Also why would you have your fingers on the trigger when changing blade with battery in?or just engage lock on tool at the least. Dewalt for the win.
Lol the trigger is kind of in the way when you hold onto the unit when you change the blade. Definitely smart to lock it out or take off the battery. Unfortunately I’m not that bright:)
Good thing you showed what could happen. Because remember your show this to an audience who likely have the tools and are looking to buy it. So safety comes into mine.
Well? Full up with both Fein corded and one (Much loved both.) M12 Multi-Tools but? After 3yrs of frequent use, I began planning to get another M12 so as not to get caught short and run one bladed/one sanding attachment. (Today’s work had me doing both kinds of work equally up high on a ladder.) Your video had me realizing I can stick with the M12 size while upgrading power significantly, and in growing 2 battery paths (M12/M18 and FlexVolt?) M12 choices truly shine bright.
To be fair the DeWalt can lock the power switch on at three different speeds when it's awkward to keep your finger on the variable speed trigger. And DeWalt's blade change mech is better in all cases except Bosch starlock. The Milwaukee cuts a couple seconds faster but for my purposes I can live with the DeWalt... because I happen to have the batteries.
The 12v dewalt and craftsman 20v oscillating tool are both better than Milwaukee, and they're an American company, not Chinese like Milwaukee, which no longer an American company hasn't been for a long time
Valid point with the ergonomics but I do see bias with the blade change system considering in most applications Dewalt beats Milwaukee and destroys it in other such as blade orientation change in tight spaces. Either owner is going to primarily avoid starlock unless needed or desired.
Seems like its 10% faster. Seems like blade change is 10% slower. I mean I guess if your going to compare. Compare it all. How the speed control compares. How they compare safety wise if you accidentally drop one or the other on work pieces. Compare the cuts per charge. Compare the battery connection as time takes its change at the booth.
Atrainace not bad points, I guess I just try to keep the videos on the shorter side so I just pick the things out I find most interesting. Fast tool less blade change is great, but in reality I’m only changing the blade maybe 1 time a month.
I understand. Man I use the thing so much I change blades several times a day sometimes. Some from wear some from different materials. I have never tried the Fein blades tho will have to check them out. I usually run Imperials. I checked this vid out from the recommendation on the other and hit the thumbs up on both.
I actually just bought the M12 Fuel this morning. I bought it because I’m in the M12/M18 ecosystem. I used it for a flooring install at my aunts. I can honestly say I was expecting it to be a little gutless. I was really surprised with how fast it is. I had been using a corded Dremel unit. Some how the M12 was way faster then the corded unit? The blade on the m12 was super super thin which I suspect aided its performance significantly. I will say that the tool is nice ergonomically but it is a bit long also it’s really easy to bump the speed setting on it accidentally. I didn’t really do much research before buying it which is kind of unusual for me. Can say that I’m very impressed. Pretty crazy the power of just 3 18650s
It’s actually kind of shocking the power in the M12. I find myself using it for all kinds of cuts now. I keep it in my tool cart, so where I used to grab a jigsaw now I just pull out the multi tool and cut away.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter I’m an electrician by trade so my tool of choice was usually a M12 Fuel Sawzall. I will definitely be carrying the multi tool with me as well from how on, it’s an awesome tool. What did you think of the stock blade if you remember? I thought it worked pretty well. I’ve been using Ezarc blades for the past couple years on the dremel unit. I might pick up a multi pack of the Milwaukee Open-Lok blades just to do a comparison.
@@eliadbu depends what you are doing. I do renovation and insurance work, and in that game it's an essential tool. I'm constantly cutting existing trims in place, cutting out sections of wall lining, cutting holes in sheet material, and cutting out floors flush with the wall. I wouldn't be able to do my job without one, and I have everything. The only way to cut a piece of skirting (I think Yanks call it casing) while it's still on the wall without damage to the floor or wall, prior to the multitool, was to carefully drill a series of holes in a line, and the carefully clean it up with a chisel. Very time consuming and potentially inaccurate. The multi tool does it in seconds and can be quite accurate with practice.
I hit the subscribe button as soon as you mentioned the ergonomics. This is the closest review to the real world that I have seen. I can't believe that DeWalt gets so much praise for that damn trigger and the Milwaukee gets heat for it's blade change mechanism.
Thanks Dale. I sometimes wonder if people are actually using these tools in the real world. So many reviews out there where a guy just pulls it out of the box and rambles on for 20 minutes!
@jami w How is it in a bad spot? You slide it to the on position and go to work. LOL Once it is on you don't have to constantly squeeze a trigger to keep it running.
If you are in a certain platform and you are thinking about buying an. Oscillating, don't buy another platform. They are both good. What I love about the dewalt is you can use the hex key to change the blade in the atomic if you don't want to use the quick blade change and it has the variable speed trigger so you don't have to change the speed manually. The Milwaukee has much better lighting.
Not a bad point. I personally don’t like being trapped into one platform because some tools suck in particular platforms. Prime example is the Makita oscillating tool. Agree if you’re in the Dewalt platform probably not worth leaving for an oscillating tool. Drills on the other hand....
Milwaukee on sale online for 119 with 2ah battery at Home Depot! Great review. Everything you said wrong with this dewalt is exactly how I feel. I hate the switch I hate that I can’t set it to a certain speed and focus on the cut. I hate the vibration after one minute on high because it only locks on high and your hand will be shot (although perfect for vibrating air pockets from concrete and epoxy and maybe some other things) and the blade change is I guess decent compared to some other multi tools but what I noticed is it’s slightly loose. So when in use I noticed loss in precision and also hard to explain but loss in cutting power as well because of the movement. But everyone should score that deal!
So i got the Dewalt 315K coded one and this Fuel m12 OST to decided which i keep and which i return. Comparing the both, M12 did have minimum vibrations close to the battery, 1 - 10, 10 being the highest, I would say close to the battery was 1. Close to the front of the head and middle of the tool, vibrations were around 2-3. Dewalt was around 5. Ergonomics: Tool is bulkier than the Gen1, looks and feels more like a M18 Gen1. Put the 2.0 CP battery in and very easy to handle rotating in any direction or high or tight areas. BUT put in the larger XC batteries, tool gets heavier and difficult to hold in tight areas due to the battery sticking out. Gen1, tried in the store, very impressed with the size. Dewalt, i found easy to handle and i have medium hands. Runtime: I got roughly 12 minutes of runtime with a 2.0 CP battery. I can confidently say, you will get around 20 minutes with a 6.0 XC battery but i did not try that. Reason below. Battery (Inserting and removal): Inserting the battery is unlike M18, understood, but you have to insert the battery at an angle and then push it in for a snug fit. Removal, this was one of the main reasons i returned it immediately and went with the other. Battery is extremely difficult to remove. 50% chance that the battery clips will break resulting in a useless battery. I did not take my chances with the 6.0 XC. In terms of durability, too early to say whether this tool will rise to the top 3 oscillating tools list, but the area beneath the lever can easily be exposed to drywall dust or wood fine particles. Looking inside, you will notice a steel part lubricated to smooth out the movement for releasing the blade. It is exposed. Imagine if dust gets in there. Mechanical failure. This part should have been covered. Overall, I personally was looking for a tool where i buy it and forget it. Well the yellow brand does it in terms of reliability. Yes it is slow, but at least i can get excellent runtime out of it. And not just less than 25 minutes. And before you say i am a yellow team guy, i own only 2 yellow brand tools, corded drill and now this corded OST. I own a m12 impact, m12 ratchet, couple of PACKOUTS, corded sawzall and plan to get the m12 impact wrench.
I think we’re seeing Milwaukee begin to take the m12 line a little more serious. M12 is about all a person needs in a light Industrial application. Battery tool technology has only taken over because of they’re convenience. Size, weight, and ergonomics definitely factor into my thoughts. Longevity is king though.
i’m a dewalt guy (newer to tools).. been buying milwaukee accessories lately- love the look to them- was thinking about changing platforms (nothing wrong with dewalt tools).. i do find the xr multitool full of vibration..i thought it was me.. will think about getting this M12.. thanks for the video and the perspective
I just bought this tool. Haven’t used it at all yet. Just in playing with it, I didn’t like the on switch not being a trigger, but after seeing this safety aspect, I kinda like it.
I have the m12 brushed model and the Dewalt atomic 20v. I find the Dewalt to be more ergonomic and you can lock the Dewalt on if you want. Id rather have the trigger option. I like the improvements to the m12 fuel from the brushed but I got it the bushes model for $50
Nice video. Only thing I hate about Dewalt is it vibrates the hell out your hand. I have Dewalt drill I bought 10 years ago and still runs. Dewalt do last long again I start to like milwaukee brand. 🙏🏻
for people who have arthritis you might want to mention m12 tool batteries are extremely hard to change out I had to return all mine I just couldnt handle it very poor battery release
There were a couple things you could have done to make the M12 battery easier to remove. One is to partially fill the inner nooks (into which the barbs fit) with some tough glue (such as LocTite GO2 glue). That way the barbs won't lock into the nooks as tightly. This first method is reversible. Another method is to partially file away a little bit of the barbs. This second method is non-reversible. I The aim of both methods is to prevent the barbs from locking into the nooks too tenaciously. Or you could do both solutions to make the battery easier to remove.
I am totally amazed at the engineering at Milwaukee right now. They must either have one person that is incredibly good at directing a team or an bunch of really good engineers, but most likely its both. I do engineering an I know it takes talented people with good management to best the best in so many products.
For the Milwaukee you technically don't have to unscrew it all the way if you have a quick change blade. I think it's a couple of rotations and the blade slides in.
Your point about the variable speed vs a trigger is a moot point. You do realize you can lock the Dewalt trigger on so it's basically no different than Milwaukee switch. In fact the Dewalt giving you the option of variable speed makes it a better choice. No need to flip around trying to get at the Dewalt trigger when you can just lock it on. Plus the blade change alone makes the Dewalt the better buy
I'm sick of these so called tool experts putting down dewalt . I've used Milwaukee tools and I wasn't impressed and sure didn't think they were anywhere as good as dewalt .but to each his own
Side note - I've had a Fein Multimaster (corded) for years and instead of spending $400 on a cordless fein (and another battery platform) I picked up this m12 Milwaukee. It's really great - especially considering the price.
I haded the corded Fein for about 15 years, until I switched to the old cordless M12, and now the new one. LOL I was dumb for waiting so long, I use the cordless tool 300% more than the corded Fein.
I have recently bought this m12 fuel multitool and I agree with everything you mention here it’s so smooth and nice to use and I’ve used the dewalt a lot as a few of my work mates have them and I just prefer the switch and the variable speed roller on the Milwaukee ! I bought the Milwaukee to replace my 18v Bosch multitool as it’s damaging the batteries with the vibration as the slots the battery goes into have worn really bad
I have a corded oscillating multi tool but I keep thinking of getting a cordless chargeable one, however in most other tools I own the corded always has more power than the battery powered kind.
Awesome video! Thank you. These comments though! Hahahaha. I just got the M12 Fuel last week. I have the XR as well. I cannot believe the difference in vibration between the two. Now I’m looking forward to the M18 Fuel. I hope this level of vibration becomes the new norm.
Few things. You are comparing Dewalt tool with large battery against the m12 small battery on the Milwaukee. Try the xc3.0 or xc4.0 on the milwaukee and I am sure, ergonomics will change. I am in the midst of deciding which ost to get. The corded 315k dewalt or this new m12 fuel one. And the most important thing I look for is the runtime, unit getting hot. Any thoughts?
G8 Beast I primarily use the M12 with the 6amp xc, ergonomics are still great. As for heating up I’m not sure. I cut out 6 plugs through 1-1/2” material and it was fine. The 6 amp battery lasts a fairly long time.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter Thank you for that. I have ordered both and should be getting the m12 next week. I am going to be testing them myself and which ever fails, i return it. My mind says Dewalt, my heart says Milwaukee.
William 'D-Fens' Foster I’ve only used the M18 once, it’d definitely a bit bulkier. I’m going to borrow one from my friend and hopefully review it soon. Thanks for checking out the video.
No doubt everyone has their preferences. I’ve never found the Dewalt XR oscillating tool awkward or loud and have a variety of battery operated tools and brand names.
Just subscribe to your channel great reviews. Thanks for all the insight I have both tools I always thought the grip on the Dewalt was better. As you stated it is awkward when having to move the tool around. Man Milwaukee just keeps making better products over and over. Will you be getting the M18 version when it comes out.
Ya I’m fairly impressed with the way Milwaukee keeps evolving. I don’t think I would get the M18. I’m not in that platform and don’t see the need for any more power out of an oscillating tool. But you never know! If there’s some serious hype on that machine I’ll probably grab one:)
Been waiting for a comparison between these two, so thanks! I have the XR and while it does the job, I’m inclined to agree with you on its faults. I also like that the Milwaukee OMTs have dust collection options...nice for cutting down on dust when you’re sanding.
Yep, I own the Dewalt too. It's reliable, convenient, and has plenty of power to get the job done, but by God is it a horrible design. My suggestion for a heavy duty tool with great ergonomics is the Makita, however I'm tempted to get into M12 tools at some point, even though I already own mostly Dewalt, some Makita and no other battery platforms. I don't see why I shouldn't just get M12 and none of the M18. I'm a tool addict. I have a problem. It's serious, I would rather buy tools than eat, and I buy tools I don't even need.
@@johnconner6446 Not yet. The Dewalt still refuses to die, and I have a cordless sander, cordless caulk gun, and a track saw on my list still. I unfortunately will buy tools instead of eat sometimes, I'm broke atm due to going 4 weeks without a tenant lol. Like I said, it's an actual addiction.
Good vid man! I appreciate the new music you included and video style. Big fan of your reviews too - down to earth with some good humour. My only two cents would be to use a timer in your video editing instead of using your phone. If ever you do a beard tutorial, I'm for sure gonna watch it like 100+ times.
I have the Dewalt multi tool and u can lock the trigger in the on position but it can get kinda funny cutting upside down or sideways with it the Milwaukee looks alot better
The DeWalt platform is disappointing.The batteries drain quickly,even just sitting.the reciprocating and circular saws just couldn’t keep up.Thorough review,thanks,I subscribed.
Keep your reviews, straightforward and without biased. Because honestly, that’s not what we need is another reviewer who leans toward one platform or the other. When you were looking to see which platform might best suit you, you would expect the reviewer to have equal amounts of products, experience, and experiment time with all said products. For example, if someone is reviewing Milwaukee tool yet they’re predominantly known to have mostly Dewalt I’m not going to take what they say honestly. Just like if someone is reviewing a Dewalt tool, and they predominantly have been known to and can be seen in videos to have mostly Milwaukee tools. I’m not going to take what they say honestly either.
it's amazing that the advantage for battery power should be Dewalt 20 volt vs Milwaukee 12 volt, but i must say Milwaukee maximize its brushless efficiency and even vibrates less in the hand nice review I been waiting for a review like this comparing this two oscillating tools
Keep in mind that dewalt has been unchanged for idk 8 years the milwaukee is brand new! The milwaukee should run more smoothly because it has newer tech. Hats off to milwaukee tho!
CraftManGreg DeWalt released a new OMT in the Atomic line to replace the XR model, but it is basically the same thing. Maybe they’ll incorporate one into their 12v Xtreme line, perhaps.
@@Ronofthedead07 Atomic is the lower level tools. Homeowner types. It definitely didn’t replace the XR. They updated the XR also but didn’t change design just added and 3 speed control switch and more power.
I think the whole point of a toolless blade change is that you don't need a tool. I like the quick change on the DeWalt for most blades, but why advertise it as a toolless blade change if I need a tool to change it for specific blades?
I imagine the Vecturo is pretty magical, Festool offered to give me one, but aside from a drill one time that I gave away, I don’t take any “free” stuff.
Magnet... So when cutting metal. All those shavings basically magnetize to the nut... I dunno I prefer dewalt blade change. But I do agree about handle I never understood why they went that route. But I do like the ability to control the cut as I need in the fly manually with trigger system instead of switch.
Now I don't own the dewalt, but I don't think starlock blades would be a real issue. They're fein and all(sorry, couldn't help it) but what are they giving you that other high end blades like from Imperial, Dewalt, Diablo and even Milwaukee's own new stuff, isn't? And those all fit the Dewalt with no issues. I've never used them, are they that good?
It’s not a huge issue I’m sure things will be....Fein with the other blades. For me it comes down to convenience and price- sometimes at the local tool store the Starlock blades go on sale or they are out of Milwaukee blades. If you haven’t seen Project Farms blade test video it’s worth a watch: ruclips.net/video/joVfNnbweYY/видео.html
I’m on the fence between these two. After listening to all your points and the fact that I’m on the M18 line, I’m leaning towards the Milwaukee. It would be my first M12 tool. One question: how’s the battery life with that 2.0 battery?
I think it runs for 12 minutes with the 2 amp battery if I remember correctly. I usually run it with the 6 amp battery and it lasts quite a while. What about the old M18 oscillating tool or the new M18? If you hold the Dewalt in the store and don't mind the feel of it, it's a great tool.
Milwaukee m12 is very good in a shop where you can keep a few batteries around you to finish the job. Not convenient to carry different chargers and batteries from van to a residential job. It took two 6ah m12 to finish a small job.
I’d have to disagree. I got my m12 today and used it on a job already. I don’t see any improvements over my Dewalt I’ve had for 3+ years. Okay maybe it’s a tad quiets (it’s still loud tho). I have buyers remorse.
Wow, great video. Question for anyone who might know, if you were trying to cut 1/2" diameter bolts flush, would you use this multi-tool or would you get the M12 circular cut off tool (Angle grinder)?
Milwaukee one is nice but compare them both running 1.5 ah batteries you will see the 12 volt won't last. I think the m18 fuel may beat the xr but not the m12. Don't get me wrong they are awesome but for a real day of work I would say it needs 2-3 6ah xc batteries compared to DeWalt needing maybe one 5ah. Do a comparison on how many cuts per charge I bet the DeWalt wins by a decent amount.
lol i don't have a Dewalt 5ah battery. If you want to shoot a video clip of you testing yours out, I'll match you with M12 6 amp, and put it in a video.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter lol I might take you up on that. I just thought it was important to mention because the m12 fuel is absolutely bad ass but its like running an 18v tool on a 12v battery so I would consider that a downfall vs the Dewalt but I guess it should be expected.
@@MichaelBlast the m18 fuel is coming out next they already released info on it. If your trying to decide i think the m12 fuel is awesome it's more powerful and less vibration then DeWalt but it just kills batteries so fast. If you only use it here and there it's perfect for work though I would say wait for m18 or buy both
Dude that was a great Video! Completely see your point about swapping out the blades. Really at most it’s a couple seconds longer on the Milwaukee. 1.) how often are you change a blade on a specific task 2.) all the other ergonomic benefits far outweigh a couple of seconds swapping out a blade.
No, I dont want to change the blade when the battery attached. Imaging doing the same thing with cordless circular saw? I cant see how this is a score point.
Idk .. I like kobalt's one its a bit cheaper in price and does the same job . As a DIYer kobalt has my vote im not caring bout blade changes and speed. It gets the job done
This review seems really bias. You praise Milwaukee for vibration resistance and ergonomics which i get, but heavily criticize Dewalt for it's cut speed that falls short just a few seconds behind the M12. On top of that, one of dewalts best features (quick change blades) you barely give any credit for and blow off the results of it being obviously better. As a contractor, I own the bigger brother M18 oscillating saw, and while I do love it, I see huge advantages in Dewalts quick change and precision trigger over Milwaukee. If we are using examples from your video, I much rather take the extra 2-3 seconds of cutting time then 20+ seconds changing blades. Give credit where credit's due, don't let your video be completely bias. Milwaukee M12: More Ergonomic / Lighter Good Cutting Performance M12/M18 4 Lyfe! Dewault Quick-change Blades Precision Trigger 20V 4 Lyfe!
All excellent points! I am extremely biased towards tools with better ergonomics. If a tool is bulky and I don’t like using it, I usually pick it apart. The blade change on the Dewalt is bulky and realistically not used very often. Give me the sleek design of the M12 and the ability to put any type of blade on there tool free. Thanks for checking out the video and I really appreciate your comments:)
@@TheFunnyCarpenter I actually agree with what Justin says here. I use the Dewalt multitool often and the quick change blade feature could be renamed to quick change angle, because we/I use it for exactly that, quite a lot. to shoot it down is simply to say that you don't use it yourself which is true to only you.
I borrowed the old M18 and working on a review for next week comparing it to the new M12, after that I will probably get the FUEL M18. Thanks for the support:]
Glad i payed the extra bucks with milwaukee. Altho I do have a dewalt mini 1 hand skil saw and a ryobi cordless drill, and i have zero problems with them at all. I honestly might even prefer the ryobi cordless drill cause its much lighter than the Milwak drills ive held which helps alot, plus its hard to make a sh1tty cordless drill. But everything else i have, every other power tool i own that requires more stregnth and durability, like sawzalls, hole hogs, grinders, multi tools etc are all milwakee and i wouldnt want it any other way. They are the best
Ya valid point. Both the batteries were the cheapest ones available in both the platforms. I don’t have any dewalt batteries so I had grab some cheap ones. The test cuts were pretty minimal and the batteries were fully charged.
Does the Milwaukee allow securing the blade at anything other than 180 degrees? Like will it allow 90 or 270, or any other angle that the star will allow?
Next time you could try putting a timer on the screen and stop it exactly when the test is done. Not a hand-movement-to-stop-timer later. Especially if you're counting secs/millisecs.
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Both of these tools are great platforms. You have to go with what you started with because it’s all about the batteries.
There are battery adapters fyi
Word homie, word!
@@moolardpexcellent5253 yeah but you can't use 18 v dewalt batteries on a 12 milwaukee multi tool can you?
You probably could but the would need to be a voltage limitation built in and you don't seem like the type to do that yourself
@@moolardpexcellent5253 yeah I suppose having a masters degree in electrical engineering makes me unqualified 😂
I’m a Milwaukee M12/M18 tool guy, who wanted a decent oscillating multi-tool that was brushless. I ended up getting the Dewalt XR multi-tool in a kit. Probably others have done the same. Now I sit with the Dewalt multi-tool with Milwaukee coming out with their new M12 and M18 multi-tools...damn!
Sell it on facebook.
@jami w The shape alone is a deal breaker. It's way to awkward to make cuts upside down.
@jami w I have actually used both of them ( the old M12 not the new fuel) and I the shape is more useful for my uses then the trigger. Everyone has their preferences for different reasons.
@jami w the auto load feature on Milwaukee is way better then the variable trigger for plunge cuts once you get used to it in my opinion. I was die hard Dewalt guy we’ve run the XR for years and years now I’ve been in the business 15 years and used it for a lot of them. The vibration dampening alone is worth switch if you use them daily not to mention the Milwaukee stays cooler and secures the blade better using two forms of tension. Don’t get me wrong still think the XR is a great tool but it’s dated until Dewalt makes improvements I’ll be switching over the atomic is junk and the XR needs better cooling, more power and more dampening. I’ve had trigger fail on multiple units although they MORE then payed for themselves I think the heat and dust egress played a big role in that. Hopefully we will see a flexvolt advantage multi tool one day and I’ll be back because I prefer Dewalt ergonomics but I think the Milwaukee are superior for the time being. I just wish the m12 had auto load I was kinda bummed when I got it but we bought the m18 once released and now replacing the rest of our old XR with them. Once you get used to the auto setting it allows for precise plunge cuts without having to make any adjustments and no trigger to wear out.
Check which model you have.. the Brushless Max XR is the newest, with Variable Speed. I don't think the M12 can Touch the newest Dewalt model.
I love the variable speed trigger on the dewault vs the switch on the Milwaukee. Makes a big difference when trying to ease into a cut then letting it rip. Also as you pointed out the dewalt blade change is still superior. Perhaps the Milwaukee is better for finer more precise cuts? I love both brands.
Your right about the trigger being handy at easing into cut, but I find the overall shape to be a pain to maneuver. And the blade change is quicker, but overall more bulky and doesn’t take star lock blades.
The new M18 Fuel has an automatic mode that is supposed to mimic the same effect...but it costs $229 so probably not worth it on that alone. Unfortunately, they did not integrate that feature into the M12 Fuel version.
I think it’s worth pointing out the trigger is a point of failure for Dewalt though I have 2 in my tool box I need to send in. Although they went through hell before going out the XR lasted a few years the atomic less then 1. Both failed the same way trigger starts to cut out eventually not working at all.
I just purchased the Milwaukee, and had been using the Dewalt XR for over a year now. The Dewalt change blade is faster..however… I realized I dont change blades often, the Milwaukee cuts are so much faster… Id prob make up the extra time changing the blade in just 2 cuts. This speed comes at a price… At least in my test… the Dewalt cut was cleaner at full speed, it just looked like the speed of Milwaukee was shaving too much material of the cut… dewalt was slower but cleaner cut
The Milwaukee has the variable speed dial right next to your thumb when holding it. You turn it on, and it's on, and you adjust the speed while it's going. There's no need for a variable speed trigger.
Triggers and pistol grips on grinders and jam saws are super tedious and probably cause arthritis
The variable speed trigger and the blade change on the DeWALT alone make it better then Milwaukee.
I like how he turns into someone failing in an infomercial everytime he picks up the dewalt.
I'm to still waiting to hear from the Academy about the Oscar nom:). Thanks for checking out the channel.
I think the Milwaukee is paying someone
@@danandhibb that's 4 sure🥱🥱🥱
Is it ‘fanboy’ or intending to show frustration with the grip design? I use both styles of grip (over several brands) and? That frustration is real.
I find the Dewalt grip is great for the work associated with flooring installs.......’others’ get used elsewhere.
Am very new to home improvement. How long have worked for dewalt? Do you also have tool comparison videos?
was trying to decide and as soon as you did the ergonomics inside a cabinet I immediately knew
You make some of the most informative and entertaining videos of any woodworkers on RUclips. And that's not the easiest combo to pull of I'm sure. I'm thankful for all great tool info, but being locked in due to the unicorn virus your wit is a welcomed bonus. Keep them coming and thanks for the makita vs m18 vacuum review.
Really appreciate the support Ivan! I’m glad you’re finding the vids helpful.
Both of these tools are great! I own both and I love them. Sure they both have their pros and cons but both are awesome
DeWalt is my go to tool. It replaced my Bosch 12v. I still have both but I just always go to the bigger tool. My guess is I would do the same if I had the Milwaukee.
Speed, ergonomic, Bosch starlock, I ordered M12.Very useful information from you. Many thanks 👍👍👍
I've had the dewalt multi tool for idk 7 years now, I've beat the hell out of that thing. I keep waiting for it to die but the thing can't stop won't stop!
CraftManGreg reminds me of my Dewalt table saw, as much as I’d like to get a new one- that old unit won’t quit or stop being awesome...may have to drop it down a stairwell:)
I was expecting mine to have an early death, because it gets abused nearly every day, and very early on I noticed the grip gets hot, obviously they must have put the mosfets in the grip. I thought the electronics were going to crap themselves, but it's been rock solid.
However I hate the ergonomics, I hate the excessive vibration, and Dewalt has the worst battery vibration mitigation out of any tool brand, so if you don't watch out you risk melting the plastic where tool and battery surfaces contact each other. The vibration can also cause the battery contacts to wear out and no longer make contact. This issue happened to my Flexvolt reciprocating saw after just under a year of use, the contacts got so worn that it started having errors, running intermittently, and alternating randomly between full power and about 1/3rd power. Cleaning the contacts with Paslode cleaner worked for a while, but eventually it began to only run at that 1/3rd speed, and only if the battery had 3 bars. My suspicion, due to how the Flexvolt tool is part of the circuit that rearranges the battery to 54v instead of 18v, is that it was only drawing from 5 or 10 of the 15 cells in the battery. Thankfully it was repaired under warranty, however I am less likely to use the tool now, and have bought a cheap brushed recip saw, to take some of the load off, as getting caught without it really messed up some of my days.
@@Patrick-857 that's weird... I have both the oscillating tool and 60 volt flexvolt reciprocating saw. I have not experienced any of the issues you speak of. I am a heavy user and do not baby my tool. I will confirm that the oscillating tool does vibrate a lot. Dewalt needs to cut down on the vibration on the next generation.
@@justgregnow It's possible that my issue is exacerbated by abrasive dust from fibrous cement and plasterboard. I do a lot of demo and remedial work and tools die pretty quick at our outfit, the boss refuses to buy anything but super cheapo corded multi tools now. It's a Bunnings brand called Ozito. They cost about $60 NZD, and are surprisingly durable.
Is that the 315K corded Dewalt you have?
I have the dewalt one. The battery gets in the way sometimes as well. It's still a great tool.
Have both and go back to DeWalt for the most part. Try using a 2 amp battery. Most of the time it does the trick for me.
Thanks. I almost bought the dewalt today. I’m glad I watched this. Totally understand the ergonomics issues. That would drive me insane. My makita is just too big and beastly, it’s hard to use in tight spaces or one handed. Seems like the Milwaukee is the way to go.
dewalt has the same grip on all their tools and honestly it’s comfortable af
and this is coming from a milwaukee fanboy
I totally agree ypu said exactly what I was gonna say, ima a milwaukee true fan but the dewalt 20v oscillating tool & the "D" handle SDS rotary hammer drill , ...its a must for me im my field of work.
It is exactly the problem. No two tools function the same and tools should not have one universal grip. The grip needs to fit the function the tool performs. The round tube grip of the Milwaukee is perfect for a multitool.
Thank you for making this video, you really sold me on Milwaukee. Cheers from Ottawa
Cheers Gerry! Having used the New M12 for a while longer now, I'm liking it even more that I'm used to it.
@@TheFunnyCarpenterI think that dewalt cuts pretty good sounds awesome 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
Great video i might consider buying the Milwaukee one in the future but for now im happy with my dewalt for my trade
You should(even though I don’t) remove the power source when changing blades on any tool,ideally. Also why would you have your fingers on the trigger when changing blade with battery in?or just engage lock on tool at the least. Dewalt for the win.
Lol the trigger is kind of in the way when you hold onto the unit when you change the blade. Definitely smart to lock it out or take off the battery. Unfortunately I’m not that bright:)
Good thing you showed what could happen. Because remember your show this to an audience who likely have the tools and are looking to buy it. So safety comes into mine.
Oscillating tools won’t cut you without a lot of pressure you can run them on your hand. That’s why they use them to remove casts in hospitals.
Wow! Changing the blade on the Milwaukee Oscillating tool is really time consuming. I look forward to Milwaukee updating that part of the tool.
Still about 10 minutes faster than looking for a lost Allen key:)
I have the M18 version, how often you need to change the blade? For me it's a non issue.
@@kimchee94112 that’s what I was thinking
Well? Full up with both Fein corded and one (Much loved both.) M12 Multi-Tools but? After 3yrs of frequent use, I began planning to get another M12 so as not to get caught short and run one bladed/one sanding attachment. (Today’s work had me doing both kinds of work equally up high on a ladder.)
Your video had me realizing I can stick with the M12 size while upgrading power significantly, and in growing 2 battery paths (M12/M18 and FlexVolt?) M12 choices truly shine bright.
To be fair the DeWalt can lock the power switch on at three different speeds when it's awkward to keep your finger on the variable speed trigger. And DeWalt's blade change mech is better in all cases except Bosch starlock. The Milwaukee cuts a couple seconds faster but for my purposes I can live with the DeWalt... because I happen to have the batteries.
The 12v dewalt and craftsman 20v oscillating tool are both better than Milwaukee, and they're an American company, not Chinese like Milwaukee, which no longer an American company hasn't been for a long time
All he have to do is pull the dam battery off when changing the blade. I am sure he will do the same when changing cordless circular saw blade.
Valid point with the ergonomics but I do see bias with the blade change system considering in most applications Dewalt beats Milwaukee and destroys it in other such as blade orientation change in tight spaces. Either owner is going to primarily avoid starlock unless needed or desired.
Seems like its 10% faster. Seems like blade change is 10% slower. I mean I guess if your going to compare. Compare it all. How the speed control compares. How they compare safety wise if you accidentally drop one or the other on work pieces. Compare the cuts per charge. Compare the battery connection as time takes its change at the booth.
Atrainace not bad points, I guess I just try to keep the videos on the shorter side so I just pick the things out I find most interesting. Fast tool less blade change is great, but in reality I’m only changing the blade maybe 1 time a month.
I understand. Man I use the thing so much I change blades several times a day sometimes. Some from wear some from different materials. I have never tried the Fein blades tho will have to check them out. I usually run Imperials. I checked this vid out from the recommendation on the other and hit the thumbs up on both.
With good blades you won't be changing them that often while cuts are what you mostly do when you are using the tool.
Eliad Buchnik exactly!!!
I have the Dewalt XR oscillating tool I get it you’re 100% correct
Danny Meil might have to frame this comment and hang it on the wall:). 🍻
I actually just bought the M12 Fuel this morning. I bought it because I’m in the M12/M18 ecosystem. I used it for a flooring install at my aunts. I can honestly say I was expecting it to be a little gutless. I was really surprised with how fast it is. I had been using a corded Dremel unit. Some how the M12 was way faster then the corded unit? The blade on the m12 was super super thin which I suspect aided its performance significantly. I will say that the tool is nice ergonomically but it is a bit long also it’s really easy to bump the speed setting on it accidentally. I didn’t really do much research before buying it which is kind of unusual for me. Can say that I’m very impressed. Pretty crazy the power of just 3 18650s
It’s actually kind of shocking the power in the M12. I find myself using it for all kinds of cuts now. I keep it in my tool cart, so where I used to grab a jigsaw now I just pull out the multi tool and cut away.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter I’m an electrician by trade so my tool of choice was usually a M12 Fuel Sawzall. I will definitely be carrying the multi tool with me as well from how on, it’s an awesome tool. What did you think of the stock blade if you remember? I thought it worked pretty well. I’ve been using Ezarc blades for the past couple years on the dremel unit. I might pick up a multi pack of the Milwaukee Open-Lok blades just to do a comparison.
“Like cutting off your finger” had me laughing out loud
I like this guy videos, he always layed back like he just took a bong rip😂
Thinking either the new m18 or m12, it's about time I own oscillating tool.
Haven’t tried the m18, but it looks nice.
Go m12 for the ocsi tool, less bulk if your ever having to do a cut in a funky spot, and it has more than enough power
How are you only just considering getting a multitool? I couldn't live, let alone put food on the table, without one.
@@Patrick-857 there are other tools that can do the job but it looks like a time saver and might replace several tools altogether.
@@eliadbu depends what you are doing. I do renovation and insurance work, and in that game it's an essential tool. I'm constantly cutting existing trims in place, cutting out sections of wall lining, cutting holes in sheet material, and cutting out floors flush with the wall. I wouldn't be able to do my job without one, and I have everything. The only way to cut a piece of skirting (I think Yanks call it casing) while it's still on the wall without damage to the floor or wall, prior to the multitool, was to carefully drill a series of holes in a line, and the carefully clean it up with a chisel. Very time consuming and potentially inaccurate. The multi tool does it in seconds and can be quite accurate with practice.
I hit the subscribe button as soon as you mentioned the ergonomics. This is the closest review to the real world that I have seen. I can't believe that DeWalt gets so much praise for that damn trigger and the Milwaukee gets heat for it's blade change mechanism.
Thanks Dale. I sometimes wonder if people are actually using these tools in the real world. So many reviews out there where a guy just pulls it out of the box and rambles on for 20 minutes!
@jami w How is it in a bad spot? You slide it to the on position and go to work. LOL Once it is on you don't have to constantly squeeze a trigger to keep it running.
If you are in a certain platform and you are thinking about buying an. Oscillating, don't buy another platform. They are both good. What I love about the dewalt is you can use the hex key to change the blade in the atomic if you don't want to use the quick blade change and it has the variable speed trigger so you don't have to change the speed manually. The Milwaukee has much better lighting.
Not a bad point. I personally don’t like being trapped into one platform because some tools suck in particular platforms. Prime example is the Makita oscillating tool. Agree if you’re in the Dewalt platform probably not worth leaving for an oscillating tool. Drills on the other hand....
I purchased the m12 old version oscillating tool today.awesome thanks you’re right better feel.
Danny Meil awesome, that old M12 is a great tool.
Milwaukee on sale online for 119 with 2ah battery at Home Depot! Great review. Everything you said wrong with this dewalt is exactly how I feel. I hate the switch I hate that I can’t set it to a certain speed and focus on the cut. I hate the vibration after one minute on high because it only locks on high and your hand will be shot (although perfect for vibrating air pockets from concrete and epoxy and maybe some other things) and the blade change is I guess decent compared to some other multi tools but what I noticed is it’s slightly loose. So when in use I noticed loss in precision and also hard to explain but loss in cutting power as well because of the movement. But everyone should score that deal!
Thanks for checking out the channel!
So i got the Dewalt 315K coded one and this Fuel m12 OST to decided which i keep and which i return.
Comparing the both, M12 did have minimum vibrations close to the battery, 1 - 10, 10 being the highest, I would say close to the battery was 1. Close to the front of the head and middle of the tool, vibrations were around 2-3.
Dewalt was around 5.
Ergonomics: Tool is bulkier than the Gen1, looks and feels more like a M18 Gen1. Put the 2.0 CP battery in and very easy to handle rotating in any direction or high or tight areas. BUT put in the larger XC batteries, tool gets heavier and difficult to hold in tight areas due to the battery sticking out. Gen1, tried in the store, very impressed with the size.
Dewalt, i found easy to handle and i have medium hands.
Runtime: I got roughly 12 minutes of runtime with a 2.0 CP battery. I can confidently say, you will get around 20 minutes with a 6.0 XC battery but i did not try that. Reason below.
Battery (Inserting and removal): Inserting the battery is unlike M18, understood, but you have to insert the battery at an angle and then push it in for a snug fit. Removal, this was one of the main reasons i returned it immediately and went with the other. Battery is extremely difficult to remove. 50% chance that the battery clips will break resulting in a useless battery. I did not take my chances with the 6.0 XC.
In terms of durability, too early to say whether this tool will rise to the top 3 oscillating tools list, but the area beneath the lever can easily be exposed to drywall dust or wood fine particles. Looking inside, you will notice a steel part lubricated to smooth out the movement for releasing the blade. It is exposed. Imagine if dust gets in there. Mechanical failure. This part should have been covered.
Overall, I personally was looking for a tool where i buy it and forget it. Well the yellow brand does it in terms of reliability. Yes it is slow, but at least i can get excellent runtime out of it. And not just less than 25 minutes.
And before you say i am a yellow team guy, i own only 2 yellow brand tools, corded drill and now this corded OST. I own a m12 impact, m12 ratchet, couple of PACKOUTS, corded sawzall and plan to get the m12 impact wrench.
I think we’re seeing Milwaukee begin to take the m12 line a little more serious. M12 is about all a person needs in a light Industrial application. Battery tool technology has only taken over because of they’re convenience. Size, weight, and ergonomics definitely factor into my thoughts. Longevity is king though.
Great point, the new battery technology combined with the brushless motors is allowing these 12V tool to be quite amazing.
i’m a dewalt guy (newer to tools).. been buying milwaukee accessories lately- love the look to them- was thinking about changing platforms (nothing wrong with dewalt tools).. i do find the xr multitool full of vibration..i thought it was me.. will think about getting this M12.. thanks for the video and the perspective
I just bought this tool. Haven’t used it at all yet. Just in playing with it, I didn’t like the on switch not being a trigger, but after seeing this safety aspect, I kinda like it.
Ya if you're not used to it, it takes a bit of time to get familiar.
He really hates the deltwalt or this is a pay commercial fien is best. But deltwalt its good u can adjust blade in different angles
Adjusting the blade can cost you some lag , time is money
Milwaukee gets you in and out
how so ? i was going to get either the fein or the m18 fuel why fein ? is it cuz they invented it ?
@@detroittrickster3327 get the new M18 Milwaukee fuel its the most powerful on the market
@@Mohagrus the m18 fuel and m12 fuel multi tool have the exact same specs aside from m18s auto load and the weight.
@@tallmex96 yeah except the part where you only get 3mins of run time on high with the m12 and that's with the big battery
I have the m12 brushed model and the Dewalt atomic 20v. I find the Dewalt to be more ergonomic and you can lock the Dewalt on if you want. Id rather have the trigger option. I like the improvements to the m12 fuel from the brushed but I got it the bushes model for $50
i just bought a Milwaulkee 18v fuel multi tool 3 days ago
Nice video. Only thing I hate about Dewalt is it vibrates the hell out your hand. I have Dewalt drill I bought 10 years ago and still runs. Dewalt do last long again I start to like milwaukee brand. 🙏🏻
for people who have arthritis you might want to mention m12 tool batteries are extremely hard to change out I had to return all mine I just couldnt handle it very poor battery release
There were a couple things you could have done to make the M12 battery easier to remove. One is to partially fill the inner nooks (into which the barbs fit) with some tough glue (such as LocTite GO2 glue). That way the barbs won't lock into the nooks as tightly. This first method is reversible. Another method is to partially file away a little bit of the barbs. This second method is non-reversible. I The aim of both methods is to prevent the barbs from locking into the nooks too tenaciously. Or you could do both solutions to make the battery easier to remove.
I am totally amazed at the engineering at Milwaukee right now. They must either have one person that is incredibly good at directing a team or an bunch of really good engineers, but most likely its both. I do engineering an I know it takes talented people with good management to best the best in so many products.
For the Milwaukee you technically don't have to unscrew it all the way if you have a quick change blade. I think it's a couple of rotations and the blade slides in.
Nice work man, I could see this channel doing well in the future👍
I appreciate that!
Your point about the variable speed vs a trigger is a moot point. You do realize you can lock the Dewalt trigger on so it's basically no different than Milwaukee switch. In fact the Dewalt giving you the option of variable speed makes it a better choice. No need to flip around trying to get at the Dewalt trigger when you can just lock it on. Plus the blade change alone makes the Dewalt the better buy
Good Points.
I got rid of my dewalt because of the trigger....
I'm sick of these so called tool experts putting down dewalt . I've used Milwaukee tools and I wasn't impressed and sure didn't think they were anywhere as good as dewalt .but to each his own
John McKamy thanks for checking out the channel! I may have to get a special name tag for my next video that says “so called tool expert”:)
I agree , had the same experience .
Aww mr dewalt getting in his feels 🥺
Totally appreciate you stating the summary/conclusion up front before diving into the details!
Side note - I've had a Fein Multimaster (corded) for years and instead of spending $400 on a cordless fein (and another battery platform) I picked up this m12 Milwaukee. It's really great - especially considering the price.
I haded the corded Fein for about 15 years, until I switched to the old cordless M12, and now the new one. LOL I was dumb for waiting so long, I use the cordless tool 300% more than the corded Fein.
I have recently bought this m12 fuel multitool and I agree with everything you mention here it’s so smooth and nice to use and I’ve used the dewalt a lot as a few of my work mates have them and I just prefer the switch and the variable speed roller on the Milwaukee !
I bought the Milwaukee to replace my 18v Bosch multitool as it’s damaging the batteries with the vibration as the slots the battery goes into have worn really bad
It’s definitely a sweet machine!
the dewalt feels fine in pretty much any position? I've used it upside down, inside out in crammed places. Not really an issue.
It does seem minor. The blade is farther from the center axis. Nothing wrong, just different. Its gotta be better at getting into corners.
I have a corded oscillating multi tool but I keep thinking of getting a cordless chargeable one, however in most other tools I own the corded always has more power than the battery powered kind.
t first that was the case but the cordless multi tools have come a long way and now in my opinion the power difference is negligible.
The best one is the one you own. Because no one is gonna have 5 or 6 battery platforms.
Awesome video! Thank you. These comments though! Hahahaha. I just got the M12 Fuel last week. I have the XR as well. I cannot believe the difference in vibration between the two. Now I’m looking forward to the M18 Fuel. I hope this level of vibration becomes the new norm.
Akira Harrison thanks Akita!
Few things.
You are comparing Dewalt tool with large battery against the m12 small battery on the Milwaukee.
Try the xc3.0 or xc4.0 on the milwaukee and I am sure, ergonomics will change.
I am in the midst of deciding which ost to get. The corded 315k dewalt or this new m12 fuel one. And the most important thing I look for is the runtime, unit getting hot.
Any thoughts?
G8 Beast I primarily use the M12 with the 6amp xc, ergonomics are still great. As for heating up I’m not sure. I cut out 6 plugs through 1-1/2” material and it was fine. The 6 amp battery lasts a fairly long time.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter Thank you for that. I have ordered both and should be getting the m12 next week. I am going to be testing them myself and which ever fails, i return it. My mind says Dewalt, my heart says Milwaukee.
G8 Beast that’s awesome! Let me know how it goes.
The engineering department at DeWalt thinks they are making torture devices. Try the folding 20v string trimmer.
Lol gold ⭐️
Thanks for the review. Do you like the M18 Milwaukee Oscillating Tool as much or better than the M12 version? Thanks.
William 'D-Fens' Foster I’ve only used the M18 once, it’d definitely a bit bulkier. I’m going to borrow one from my friend and hopefully review it soon. Thanks for checking out the video.
I have the M18, really no need to get the M12. That M12 very impressive though being only 12V.
No doubt everyone has their preferences. I’ve never found the Dewalt XR oscillating tool awkward or loud and have a variety of battery operated tools and brand names.
Just subscribe to your channel great reviews. Thanks for all the insight I have both tools I always thought the grip on the Dewalt was better. As you stated it is awkward when having to move the tool around. Man Milwaukee just keeps making better products over and over. Will you be getting the M18 version when it comes out.
Ya I’m fairly impressed with the way Milwaukee keeps evolving. I don’t think I would get the M18. I’m not in that platform and don’t see the need for any more power out of an oscillating tool. But you never know! If there’s some serious hype on that machine I’ll probably grab one:)
I’m glad a got the Milwaukee fuel multi tool. Great video bro.👏🏾👏🏾.
Thanks 👍
Been waiting for a comparison between these two, so thanks! I have the XR and while it does the job, I’m inclined to agree with you on its faults. I also like that the Milwaukee OMTs have dust collection options...nice for cutting down on dust when you’re sanding.
Thanks for checking out the channel:)
Yep, I own the Dewalt too. It's reliable, convenient, and has plenty of power to get the job done, but by God is it a horrible design.
My suggestion for a heavy duty tool with great ergonomics is the Makita, however I'm tempted to get into M12 tools at some point, even though I already own mostly Dewalt, some Makita and no other battery platforms. I don't see why I shouldn't just get M12 and none of the M18.
I'm a tool addict. I have a problem. It's serious, I would rather buy tools than eat, and I buy tools I don't even need.
@@Patrick-857 haha I'm the same. A tool addict. Did you get the m12 multi tool in the end? Which is better m12 or dewalt?
@@johnconner6446 Not yet. The Dewalt still refuses to die, and I have a cordless sander, cordless caulk gun, and a track saw on my list still. I unfortunately will buy tools instead of eat sometimes, I'm broke atm due to going 4 weeks without a tenant lol. Like I said, it's an actual addiction.
@@Patrick-857 haha tell me about it. Can't have enough tools!
Good vid man! I appreciate the new music you included and video style. Big fan of your reviews too - down to earth with some good humour. My only two cents would be to use a timer in your video editing instead of using your phone. If ever you do a beard tutorial, I'm for sure gonna watch it like 100+ times.
Great idea on the timer, will definitely look into doing that next time. Happy bearding!
To be an accurate test, you need to remove the operator from the test. Power up the tool and let it fly.
My power tool testing robot from amazon is on back order!
Dunno why you would buy starlock blades when diablo ones exist
I have the Dewalt multi tool and u can lock the trigger in the on position but it can get kinda funny cutting upside down or sideways with it the Milwaukee looks alot better
I find the Milwaukee nicer for making challenging cuts
Really liking your channel! You make great thoughtful points. Also are you from Boston?
Thanks man! From British Columbia.
I like how 98% of the tools you see in the background is Milwaukee tools and like 2% of Dewalt
This is true!
Exact!
Because they’re better maybe?
Definitely no bias here 😜
The DeWalt platform is disappointing.The batteries drain quickly,even just sitting.the reciprocating and circular saws just couldn’t keep up.Thorough review,thanks,I subscribed.
Thanks for the review Bos Man. 👍🏻👍🏻
Is the old Dewalt for sale?
I was thinking of using it for another video and then giving it to someone that needs the tool more than I do.
Keep your reviews, straightforward and without biased. Because honestly, that’s not what we need is another reviewer who leans toward one platform or the other. When you were looking to see which platform might best suit you, you would expect the reviewer to have equal amounts of products, experience, and experiment time with all said products. For example, if someone is reviewing Milwaukee tool yet they’re predominantly known to have mostly Dewalt I’m not going to take what they say honestly. Just like if someone is reviewing a Dewalt tool, and they predominantly have been known to and can be seen in videos to have mostly Milwaukee tools. I’m not going to take what they say honestly either.
it's amazing that the advantage for battery power should be Dewalt 20 volt vs Milwaukee 12 volt, but i must say Milwaukee maximize its brushless efficiency and even vibrates less in the hand nice review I been waiting for a review like this comparing this two oscillating tools
Both are great tools!
Keep in mind that dewalt has been unchanged for idk 8 years the milwaukee is brand new! The milwaukee should run more smoothly because it has newer tech. Hats off to milwaukee tho!
CraftManGreg DeWalt released a new OMT in the Atomic line to replace the XR model, but it is basically the same thing. Maybe they’ll incorporate one into their 12v Xtreme line, perhaps.
@@Ronofthedead07 Atomic is the lower level tools. Homeowner types. It definitely didn’t replace the XR. They updated the XR also but didn’t change design just added and 3 speed control switch and more power.
Thank you for the very good Analytics
I think the whole point of a toolless blade change is that you don't need a tool. I like the quick change on the DeWalt for most blades, but why advertise it as a toolless blade change if I need a tool to change it for specific blades?
Im committed to buying the m12. I need it.
Nothing is the new champion until it faces the old champion, current champion, and forever champion...The Festool Vecturo.
I imagine the Vecturo is pretty magical, Festool offered to give me one, but aside from a drill one time that I gave away, I don’t take any “free” stuff.
Magnet... So when cutting metal. All those shavings basically magnetize to the nut... I dunno I prefer dewalt blade change. But I do agree about handle I never understood why they went that route. But I do like the ability to control the cut as I need in the fly manually with trigger system instead of switch.
Now I don't own the dewalt, but I don't think starlock blades would be a real issue. They're fein and all(sorry, couldn't help it) but what are they giving you that other high end blades like from Imperial, Dewalt, Diablo and even Milwaukee's own new stuff, isn't? And those all fit the Dewalt with no issues. I've never used them, are they that good?
It’s not a huge issue I’m sure things will be....Fein with the other blades. For me it comes down to convenience and price- sometimes at the local tool store the Starlock blades go on sale or they are out of Milwaukee blades. If you haven’t seen Project Farms blade test video it’s worth a watch: ruclips.net/video/joVfNnbweYY/видео.html
Seems like a really cool guy,a right laugh down the battleship!
Less vibration you say? I have to wear antivibration gloves when using my Dewalt or I get the tingles afterwards.. I'll keep an eye out for this.
Yes that happens to me after using the Dewalt for a longer cut!
Your Amazon link now points to a different version of the Milwaukee 2426-20 M12 from your video 2526-20 M12.
I’m on the fence between these two. After listening to all your points and the fact that I’m on the M18 line, I’m leaning towards the Milwaukee. It would be my first M12 tool. One question: how’s the battery life with that 2.0 battery?
I think it runs for 12 minutes with the 2 amp battery if I remember correctly. I usually run it with the 6 amp battery and it lasts quite a while. What about the old M18 oscillating tool or the new M18? If you hold the Dewalt in the store and don't mind the feel of it, it's a great tool.
Milwaukee m12 is very good in a shop where you can keep a few batteries around you to finish the job. Not convenient to carry different chargers and batteries from van to a residential job. It took two 6ah m12 to finish a small job.
Definitely not a dewalt guy or maybe even behind the scenes paid actor 🤣 I love this
😂 I get my script from the Milwaukee mothership...
@@TheFunnyCarpenter ohh makes sense now 🤣
I’d have to disagree. I got my m12 today and used it on a job already. I don’t see any improvements over my Dewalt I’ve had for 3+ years. Okay maybe it’s a tad quiets (it’s still loud tho). I have buyers remorse.
Wow, great video. Question for anyone who might know, if you were trying to cut 1/2" diameter bolts flush, would you use this multi-tool or would you get the M12 circular cut off tool (Angle grinder)?
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Like your energy Brother....Excellent info👍. Much Thanks 🖖🙏
Milwaukee one is nice but compare them both running 1.5 ah batteries you will see the 12 volt won't last. I think the m18 fuel may beat the xr but not the m12. Don't get me wrong they are awesome but for a real day of work I would say it needs 2-3 6ah xc batteries compared to DeWalt needing maybe one 5ah. Do a comparison on how many cuts per charge I bet the DeWalt wins by a decent amount.
lol i don't have a Dewalt 5ah battery. If you want to shoot a video clip of you testing yours out, I'll match you with M12 6 amp, and put it in a video.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter lol I might take you up on that. I just thought it was important to mention because the m12 fuel is absolutely bad ass but its like running an 18v tool on a 12v battery so I would consider that a downfall vs the Dewalt but I guess it should be expected.
I wasn't aware of a M18 Fuel version of the multi, I thought they only just released the M12 Fuel version ?
@@MichaelBlast the m18 fuel is coming out next they already released info on it. If your trying to decide i think the m12 fuel is awesome it's more powerful and less vibration then DeWalt but it just kills batteries so fast. If you only use it here and there it's perfect for work though I would say wait for m18 or buy both
Thank you for posting this helpful video
Dude that was a great Video! Completely see your point about swapping out the blades. Really at most it’s a couple seconds longer on the Milwaukee. 1.) how often are you change a blade on a specific task 2.) all the other ergonomic benefits far outweigh a couple of seconds swapping out a blade.
No, I dont want to change the blade when the battery attached. Imaging doing the same thing with cordless circular saw? I cant see how this is a score point.
Definitely need someone testing both of the tools that isn't a milwaukee fan boy. I have both nd think there both great tools. Both are bad ass
Super helpful and insightful! Thx!!
Glad it was helpful!
Fein from germany makes the best oscillating tool on the market!
What's sad is the dewalt multi tool doesn't have an on-off switch but my 50 dollar porter cable does.
Idk .. I like kobalt's one its a bit cheaper in price and does the same job . As a DIYer kobalt has my vote im not caring bout blade changes and speed. It gets the job done
Good points
This review seems really bias. You praise Milwaukee for vibration resistance and ergonomics which i get, but heavily criticize Dewalt for it's cut speed that falls short just a few seconds behind the M12. On top of that, one of dewalts best features (quick change blades) you barely give any credit for and blow off the results of it being obviously better. As a contractor, I own the bigger brother M18 oscillating saw, and while I do love it, I see huge advantages in Dewalts quick change and precision trigger over Milwaukee. If we are using examples from your video, I much rather take the extra 2-3 seconds of cutting time then 20+ seconds changing blades.
Give credit where credit's due, don't let your video be completely bias.
Milwaukee M12:
More Ergonomic / Lighter
Good Cutting Performance
M12/M18 4 Lyfe!
Dewault
Quick-change Blades
Precision Trigger
20V 4 Lyfe!
All excellent points! I am extremely biased towards tools with better ergonomics. If a tool is bulky and I don’t like using it, I usually pick it apart. The blade change on the Dewalt is bulky and realistically not used very often. Give me the sleek design of the M12 and the ability to put any type of blade on there tool free. Thanks for checking out the video and I really appreciate your comments:)
@@TheFunnyCarpenter Re-reading my comment I didn't mean to come off as snarky. Should of added a smiley in there someplace :)
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Justin R thanks buddy! Always happy to chat tools- sometimes a little snark is called for!
@@TheFunnyCarpenter I actually agree with what Justin says here. I use the Dewalt multitool often and the quick change blade feature could be renamed to quick change angle, because we/I use it for exactly that, quite a lot. to shoot it down is simply to say that you don't use it yourself which is true to only you.
Might as well buy the Fein ?
Impressive power on the m12. I do like the quick blade change on the dewalt. Be nice to see a test with the m18 fuel version
I borrowed the old M18 and working on a review for next week comparing it to the new M12, after that I will probably get the FUEL M18. Thanks for the support:]
Glad i payed the extra bucks with milwaukee. Altho I do have a dewalt mini 1 hand skil saw and a ryobi cordless drill, and i have zero problems with them at all. I honestly might even prefer the ryobi cordless drill cause its much lighter than the Milwak drills ive held which helps alot, plus its hard to make a sh1tty cordless drill. But everything else i have, every other power tool i own that requires more stregnth and durability, like sawzalls, hole hogs, grinders, multi tools etc are all milwakee and i wouldnt want it any other way. They are the best
I also noticed you put the worst battery that dewalt ever made put on a real battery on the one's with the guage it makes a huge difference
Ya valid point. Both the batteries were the cheapest ones available in both the platforms. I don’t have any dewalt batteries so I had grab some cheap ones. The test cuts were pretty minimal and the batteries were fully charged.
Does the Milwaukee allow securing the blade at anything other than 180 degrees? Like will it allow 90 or 270, or any other angle that the star will allow?
Corey Holmes yes
Next time you could try putting a timer on the screen and stop it exactly when the test is done. Not a hand-movement-to-stop-timer later. Especially if you're counting secs/millisecs.
Excellent point, I’ve only recently figured out how to do that! My low tech method was pretty lame.