The All New Ford Ranger Raptor vs Toyota and Jeep; What Do You Get For $45k, $55k, and $65k?
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- Опубликовано: 12 апр 2024
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Love it fellas, keep up the RR content!!
I'm not a ford fan. But the ranger is growing on me.
Me too. The Tacoma has the best quality. The Jeep is best off-road. The Ranger is best, on-road, power, V6, and interior.
I love my Ridgeline but want a Ranger Raptor.
@@rondail5675 Don't know about quality yet. Too early to make that statement.
@@rondail5675 And yet the Tacoma is the one that broke during TFL testing.
There’s nothing to suggest the new Tacoma is most reliable
In the market for a new truck. Truth be told, I drive a full-size truck because I like the room. I don’t need it. The ranger makes me wonder if it’s more than I need, plus fun. I live in the mountains and a capable truck makes life easy. I’m ready to test drive one.
@@adamtacheira5323 Hey give a midsize a test drive, things may have changed. Im 6'5'' and a pretty heavy guy and never met a mid size I want comfortable with, my daily driver is a tacoma and I adore driving it.
It's a wild world when the $57K midsize truck isn't the expensive one 💰
57k for a Raptor is pretty good. Even a little one. Wouldn’t pay that for any of the others and TRD Pro is probably going to get close to 70k before mark ups.
The dealers are marking them up 30k
You can get a well equipped XLT FX4 for $45,000 ish
@@shiftymcgee9359 Wasn't the Raptor F150 57,000 New at one point in the past??
I agree 100%... In the Taco, for $45k, there should be more kit. Heated seats and steering wheel, upgraded infotainment and stereo, should be included. Sway bar detach as well
Blah blah blah....
Even with the distractions, I really like the outside with the vehicles.
I would have to go with the Ranger Raptor, great looking truck
The screen looks awful in the Taco. Just slapped up there and looks out of place. Inside does look like you got a work truck with all the empty switches.
Looks worse than the Maverick's.
A jeep for 62k!?! I can get over the fact that jeeps are still a 4k fun used vehicle in my mind.
Must be a joke😂 No engine cover to save weight
I like not having an engine cover. I like that the heat is able to vent away from all of the plastic parts and it's one less thing to remove to have a quick look at the top of the engine ....the thing that really matters.
I don't know how the others would compare without their engine covers, but the Toyota plumbing and cabling "layout" also looks like a random pile of spaghetti
Too bad my local dealers want between 7500-$15k markup on Ranger Raptor. I want the exact truck @TFLtalk has but I refuse to pay more than MSRP.
Just wait 6-12 months and you'll be fine. You'll be able to get MSRP and maybe you'll even be able to get a better financing rate.
I might be in the minority, but $57,000 for a Raptor model is a good price. Wait until dealers are forced to sell at MSRP again.
Do they sell any Bronco Raptors or F150 Raptors at MSRP without markups? I don’t think so and they are on the market for many years. The number of Raptors Ford make (in each model) is very limited compared to demand. Consequently , i don’t think they will run out of customers willing to pay above MSRP.
Build directly through Ford. Skip the middleman entirely.
@@is6566yes, they do sell both f150 Raptor and Bronco raptor at msrp. Dealership in my area have both at msrp and actually have a Bronco raptor below msrp.
@TFLtalk: What about Andre’s Chevy Colorado for $41k? Even cheaper than Blueberry!
The XLT is better equipped than they 41k Colorado, depends what you want.
In Australia there is a grab handle on the driver's side and the raptor can take a winch because I have 1 fitted to mine.
Technically, in Australia, the driver's side is the passenger side in North America. In a recent episode of 4WD 24-7, they bought a Suzuki "Zook" and one of the women in the convoy Liv had replaced the plastic grab handle with a braided rope grab handle. The braided rope was nice because it could be made of any color and was soft, so you don't have to worry about bumping into hard plastic.
@@aerynlovell4754 I meant there are handles on both sides
@@ROC805 It was a little unclear. But I never liked that hard plastic handle sticking out. A soft grab handle that can be personalized to the owner's personal taste is both functional and aestheticly pleasing.
In viewing comparable trims at the lower-end, Ford really did their home work to best the Tacoma SR5 vs Ford XLT. The Tacoma looks and feels inexpensive and the drivetrain noise is considerably louder. The Ford 2.3 4-cylinder with 10 spd is a proven drivetrain while the Toyota is not. The Ford drivetrain is currently in the larger Ford Explorer and performs well. Under load we will see how the Tacoma fares. Referring to the Tacoma as the Taco is so passed it fellas (you are showing your age).
2024 Gladiator Rubicon X is the same price as the Mojave X. My Rubi X I purchased this week stickered for $69k but got it for $62. It has all the features the Mojave X has they showed here but the suspension, but I had the Accuair suspension installed which you wouldn't want to waste on a Mojave..
Good job. Congratulations to your new vehicle!
Where did you buy I am in Colorado and want to purchase one.
So sad, Jeep is nice but priced 10k too high! You can get a Ranger Raptor fully loaded for 59k but a Mojave X fully loaded 70k, that is insane price for a Jeep gladiator Mojave or rubicon! Even getting a base Mojave or rubicon with no options is several thousand over a ranger raptor!
On paper. In real life that $59k Raptor is more like $63k (at least) after heavy bargaining effort and the $70k Gladiator is at most $63k with no effort 10% discount. Same actual real world price. It really comes down to preference.
@@is6566 honestly, the only impartial comparison is 2024 Msrp, any other comparison is ripping off consumers by either initial release dealer greed or in the case of gladiator manufacturer greed. It should not be the consumer who has to deal on listed msrp price! Just over two years ago I priced a fully loaded gladiator at 59k. My same configuration now is 72k. That is absolutely insane for most Americans except those who want to be in debt up to your eyeballs or are in the top 10%. Jeep’s target is the middle class…I agree Jeep is better built for rocks, I agree Jeep Mojave and esp. rubicon might be worth a few thousand more than raptor or Colorado but Jeep is crazy overpriced at msrp or 72k…Engine underpowered, cab comfort (noise), payload sucks, no front locker Mojave, seat and tech add on not standard, towing capability (engine), yet even with the flaws, all things equal Jeep fully loaded Mojave should be within 2-3k of raptor and the fully loaded rubicon is acceptable at 3-5k over raptor. Using a basis of 59k price strategy! I owned a ford f150 raptor at 58k now it is 79k plus truck pricing has gone insane! Jeep has forgotten or left behind its customer base, there is a reason they are sitting on the lot unsold!
Yeah I prefer something that’s not garbage. The Jeep frame bends in half…
@@is6566100% correct, I don’t know why so many ppl don’t know this. TFL is communicating MSRP, but if you shop around and go to the dealer you’ll find better pricing. I got a ‘23 rubicon for 24% off MSRP brand new. Features to features it made it cheaper and a better value than all the other mid sized trucks.
Great video. I never understand the comments of people complaining about cost. TFL doesn’t price them, they review them.
Fun comparison, thanks! Ranger Raptor is my favorite of these 3
Thanks for the great comparison video. Great job. Have a great weekend.
Thanks for watching!
Great Job Guys As Always... dispite the trolls whom seem to comment on your videos as of Late, your # 1 with me ! Keep'em coming please !
Just give us the offroad comparison video for ALL the midsizes
It absolutely bugs the hell out of me that every other Ranger has the 4/7pins on the bumper next to the plate. But for some reason they gave the hardcore off roader the worst position for the wiring system.
Great video!
Whoever made the Tacoma strictly a 4 cylinder should probably receive a pink slip
That’s the EPA.
@@is6566 If it's the EPA, why are other brands still using V6?
The pentastar is perfectly adequate, but Jeep should really offer the turbo inline 6.
It’s a hunk of junk
@BC08 A friend recently had a valve train issue and another had a common cylinder 4 misfire that involved replacing the head. It's nice when they work, but I've always enjoyed the 4 liter straight 6.
@@20tea Pentastar are pretty notorious for valve-train and timing chain issues.
The old 4.0 I-6 was a great truck engine
My Pentastar blew up at 30k miles on my 2020 JLR, so I am less than enthusiastic about that hunk of junk engine. Yes they replaced it under warranty... but it took them 7 months without my Jeep or a loaner to get it replaced. Stalantis procedures, and loaner policy's were the issues, not the dealership.
give the time, I think Stanlantis is pretty smart doing a slow roll out of an all new engine.
I have BFGoodrich Trail Terrain T/A tires, and I have loved them for the last 6K miles! Haven't done any serious offroading, but it feels awesome in the rain, light snow, gravel roads, dirt roads, and even light mud
I’d stick around for a 3 hour podcast.
I just ordered one cant wait
Could that tacoma passenger forward grab handle be intentionally designed to deter people from holding while driving incase of airbag deployment? There’s normally some engineering rationale behind things like that and now you have my curiosity up lol
One of the things I value most in my second gen Taco is the storage. I can store tow balls and such in the bed boxes and ratchet straps and tools under or behind the back seats. It seems like these lack the combination of interior/bed spaces.
Could you guys find out what the static and dynamic load ratings are for the cab roofs?
Which one handles the wash boards of Rampart Range the best?
In Australia the Raptor like with the US only comes with the 3 Litre twin turbo V6 gas engine. The lower spec Rangers come only come with diesel engines. That are 3L twin turbo and 2L single turbo and 2L twin turbo.
I have had a Sahara and now a Cherokee Trailhawk and love the seats. Much better than either my Outback or Rav4 Hybrid limited. How do these seats compare to the Raptor?
The X is a special model. You can have that exact Jeep for about $55 new - everything the same. I got $15k off my Rubicon that’s full loaded 2024. The new Taco TRD is $67k. I won’t even mention the third vehicle …
Gladiator used to be cool when it first came out. But now it’s expensive for the same things.
Wrangler got 4xe and 392, Gladiator got none of that!
But for my money I’m getting the Ranger Raptor
You get a lot of truck for mid $50k.
Suspension, engine, interior and it can be triple locked! Can’t beat that
On the taco what was the driving experience pop up? It seemed to be on the screen the entire time you were driving.
Wife Just picked up her Shelter green Ranger Raptor 5 days ago. Having so much fun especially in sport mode & manual mode. Just ordered the Raptor R for me to replace my 2020 raptor (3.5). Dealer said the wait will be roughly 1 year! Have fun with your RR brother.
Rear gearing for "best off roading" is more than just the gear ratio. With a ten speed or any transmission it is all the gearing plus transfer case ratio. Not just axle gear ratio.
Am I reading into Nathan’s comments too far? He kept saying if he stays in Colorado he’d get heated seats. Is he possibly going somewhere?😢
You guys prohibited from saying made in Mexico?
Probably frowned upon by the manufacturer.
Can you imagine the cost savings versus the entitled American UAW workers??? That rice burner should be around $28,000
@@itsallgood7483 Anything UAW makes is trash and I I’ll pay extra for the 6 gen 4Runner since it’s still made in Japan.
Talk to any recovery operator that works and lives in Utah. They will always choose solid axle over IFS/IRS due to the better articulation that solid axles offer in extremely rocky environments.
ONLY for rock crawling. IFS I better in all other conditions.
He said “extremely rocky environments”. 😃
@@plus790 Sure and how many 2500 based trucks have broken their half shafts while off-roading? Too many to count.
Andre stating that the looks of the Jeep is part of the justification for 68k, come on. If you're spending that kind of money you better be known to have a reliable vehicle also.
I started watching the video right up until the 6-minute mark when you guys were talking about the pricing. Not even going to watch any further because financial situations being as they are I believe the only way they're going to drop pricing on any of the vehicles that are coming soon is by not buying any of the vehicles coming out. I understand the markup due to inflation but that much of a markup is just straight up greedy.
The union workers demanded more pay and benefits, so we the consumer must pay.
@@RockCh4lk The union increase added less than $500 per car. The rest is manufacturer and dealer greed.
I'm with you on the pricing. I remember, not that long ago, we could buy a full size, crew cab, off roader, truck for the same price as these midsized trucks. I'm not paying $45k + for a midsize truck. The Jeep Gladiator has always been overpriced and Tacoma, most paid for the higher price because of proven reliability. Used car market will crash soon. Consumers, don't pay these new car prices! Me personally, I'm holding out for a solid pre-owned truck or SUV (Toyota or Lexus GX). I don't see quality being the same in these newer vehicles. Time will tell I guess, but I won't be gambling on any of these.
You’ll probably say I’m crazy but the Lightning is starting to look like an option as it’s used price plummets
@@jlaw1901 If you're into EVs, you can prob pick one up one used for less than half the price of new. Crazy!
Love that KISS shirt Nathan!
Would love to see the Ranger Raptor on the Ike Gauntlet and a good review of rear legroom.
Ike gauntlet is coming. Ranger Raptor rear seat legroom is a little less than the new Ranger. But still ok compared to other midsize pickups.
Tell him Andre we don't have other button.😂😂 excellent content guys❤
I love the Jeep Gladiator but can't get over the inadequate powertrain and price. Same starting price but throw in Hurricane I6 Turbo and i'm a buyer.
I love the new Ranger Raptor. Love it. My first mod will be rock rails instead of those huge running boards.
Good review guys. I'm really curious which truck you would pick between the Raptor vs Chevy ZR2 $49,000 (non Bison)?
$49,000 Colorado ZR2 is super great value, but the Raptor is a bit more fun.
Loving the size of the new Ranger. It finally looks like a midsize truck and not a compact truck. It’s always been smaller than the Taco, Dakota or Gladiator, Nissan, GM and so on.
Let’s celebrate that FINALLY the Ranger joined all other midsize trucks to reach the size of full size trucks from 10-15 years ago. What an accomplishment to celebrate. 😃 Hopefully, within 10 more years they will balloon to the size of current Heavy Duties. We consumers are complete more-ons.
@@is6566 the ranger, S-10, s-15 were never supposed to be midsize they were compact trucks until the release of the Colorado, Canyon, Tacoma, Frontier, Dakota, that’s when the ranger returned as a midsize. If you want a small truck you have Maverick and a couple other small truck choices.
Except of course, the “small trucks” you mentioned aren’t really trucks but open bed SUVs literally made by “chopping off” the rear end of existing unibody SUVs (such as: Honda Pilot, Ford Escape, and whatever the Hyundai equivalent parent of the Santa Fe is). Try to do a decent ranked off road trail, beyond a dirt road, in any of the “small trucks” you mentioned. Also, even if you were right, and those “small trucks” would be body on frame real trucks, that still doesn’t justify that today’s “midsize” should be same size as yesterday’s full size. Sadly, that would just mean that over the years every truck category ballooned in size.
Dakota 🤣🤣🤣🤣 what yr are you living in🤣🤣🤣
You guys really need to get your hands on a gladiator sport with the max tow package. That is the one designed to tow.
Rockin the KISS shirt!!!!
Did anyone notice Nathan mentioned, “if I were to stay in Colorado”, twice. Are we losing Nathan? Say it isn’t so. TFL please answer.
That would be sad. I heard it too. I think it was “If I were to stay in Colorado. I’d get heated seats”.
We better not lose Nathan.. 😢 @30:30
Great video Andre and Nathan! I want to say I love my 2021 Gladiator and the newest pricing is crazy! I am happy with my 8.4in screen. The new 12.3 in widescreens look nice. I had though the other day that if anything happen to my Jeep I would probably go and buy a used new to me Jeep for my next truck. I like the looks of the Gladiator being all color matched or at least the roof. Now you have to get that X package on the Wranglers and Gladiators to have the color match roof and fenders is crazy. Jeep is treating the brand as if it was a high end luxury brand. I understand everybody wants to have creature comforts. I just want a nice reliable fun vehicle that don’t cost much.
The Ranger Raptor is the one to beat imo. The Taco has a history of reliability but I don’t think it is substantially that much better that I would be able to justify the price. The Ranger is the best all arounder for the price.
The guys were talking about the a/c controls being low and having to take your eyes off the road. I have a Bronco with voice commands. You can just tell Alexa the temperature you want to be and the system changes it.
Ill receive my 24 colorado next month. Just zr2 model with upgrades i picked its the best pick and budget for your pockets. The only downside i think is the smaller engine but a tune sooner or later should push close to 400hp.
But its still a Chevy...
Speaking of embargoes, did anything come from Forbes breaking the 4Runner embargo?
U guys couldnt wait until trailhunter before comparison?
No because they needed video upload now and not in 2025.
Be good to see another comparison of these three but where they are similarly priced to compare what you get for the money.
It’s great being able to remove doors and roof panels but where do u leave em, storms can happen quickly so you’re now cold and wet.
Take them with you in the bed.
@@is6566 yeah but they are painted and might scratched or what if no room. , 2 doors and panels take up a bit of room.
True although the panels from the roof come with soft storage bags.
Some people have found out it is dusty off road ,and find out it is alot of work to get the interior looking new again .
The Jeep Wrangler (and I am sure the gladiator) is incredibly dusty off road. I just finished about 600 miles offroading in my Wrangler JL in desert and there is probably at least a cup of dust in the vehicle. I have soft top. It’s completely expected though based on my research and don’t really care. Not something that a vacuum cleaner wouldn’t solve.
I passed on my RR. Cool truck but not much desert running here in Wi. Main reason I passed is it felt really small and cramped for me. 6’2” 235
My Azure Grey Ranger Raptor just moved to In Production! I would have bought a Gladiator, but already have a JL and hate the 3.6L, and won't spend $30k more just for a V8 that isn't even an option in the Gladiator. Yall should test a AMW Hellcat swapped gladiator on the channel. I'm even considering buying a Power Wagon 75th to do a hellcat swap to, since it already has the axles and 8HP75 trans to handle the power. Love the vids yall.
For the price andreys truck can't be beat. 41 for all that is pretty good in this market. These trucks are ridiculously priced.
I've seen 3 tfl videos on the Ranger Raptor where the hood had to be closed twice! Just a fun fact!
Being a ‘19 Wrangler Rubicon owner, the sad thing is that the Gladiator will suffer from the aluminum corrosion and blistering paint issue on the hinges, hoods and doors that has or will plague every JL & JT since the switch to aluminum panels in 2018.
That might be but all these vehicles are covered to 8 years and 90,000 miles for the potential corrosion and paint issue.
If it doesn’t happen in 8 years then it’s not going to happen and if it happens then it’s going to happen within 8 years and then it’s covered in warranty.
@@is6566 nope, 5 years unlimited miles for the Jeep. Jeep repainted ours under warranty at the 4 year mark. We are now past the 5 year mark and on our own if it comes back. I know plenty of JL owners that have had it come back 2 and sometimes 3 times.
Sorry to hear that. How soon did the problem started on your Jeep? You mentioned 4-year mark for the repainting, but how soon did you notice that you had a problem?
@@is6566 it was at the 3.5 year mark with 20k miles. The hinges, bottom door edges and leading hood edges literally blistered in a period of one month. Once the repair was approved, our appt at the dealer’s body shop was 6 months out due to the number of JL’s with the same issue.
😅I remember as a teen 2010/2014 seeing mid size trucks for 20-30k now for the same truck with upgraded suspension and digital screens are double the price and the full size truck are around $90-100+k for a bit more interior space😂I'll wait a few years till depreciation hits them😊
Omg you i remember people are so pathetic 😠 news flash times change in 10 plus decades...DUH
Ugh, never mind the exhaust sound on the Raptor - I don't want to hear it. How does it ride on and off road? Compare to the lightning or RAM 1500 with air ride.) Is it good for Touring across America? How does it tow at the 5500 limit? (I guess you are not allowed to go higher.):
I just got a pretty loaded 2024 tundra limited for 60k… crazy that the jeep can be optioned up past that.
Also a reinforced chassis
I remember back when we used to complain about independent suspension pickup trucks on this channel…. Those days are over.
When you do an oil change on the new Taco, you should have the oil tested through a service like Blackstone labs. Curious if Toyota was able to engineer around fuel dilution issues common with other manufacturers direct injection turbocharged engines.
they did try using a turbo back in the 80's. my problem is that
turbos are a maintice item
Great video- I love the features of the Ranger but I think I’ll trust my $$ with Toyota …
Ok, on the Tacoma you are complaining about the Lack of Buttons and Gadgets...But these guys bought the Base Model so you don't get all the cool things. If they would have gone with a TRD Sport Premium Package now that a $8600 increase in price. But you get leather, heated seats, heated steering wheel, sunroof and lots of other stuff...
That TRD off road optioned out is 53+ thousand.
Because of all the different conditions the great plains, deserts and mountains- i would definitely choose a naturally asperated engine. I know the fun factor is a big deal for most, but these are still trucks.
I thought the Ranger Raptor comes with a 4.30 rear end.
Looks like I'm waiting a few years until the aftermarket figures out the winch problem.
The Gladiator offers extra things the other 2 don't have so yes it's gonna cost, especially when it's still packed with expansive suspension equipment tech and interior the other also have... It would be good to have Jimny cheap simple Wranglers though
America. Please don't take your home made cars for granted.... Love Australia.
Yeah, I am ready to sell my JLR and pick up a Ranger/Raptor... but dealership wants 5k over MSRP, and they are not getting stocked with enough of them so they can get away with charging over MSRP because demand is higher than stock levels.
It sounded mechanical when the front axle failed (okay, I'm not a fan of T). Tommy does a good job with the technical stuff, I love it when he breaks out the three rollers. You guys are splitting hairs talking about knob locations. You have to look down, away from the road, for all three sets of knobs.
Differential, not axle. It was a factory defect.
Agreed, pricing has gotten out of control.
Manufacturer only what to make expensive vehicles because ecobox doesn't bring much profits. Also buyers are willing to pay more so they'll keep charging more.
I just have a question, because you guys are always fixated on sound. Do you buy a truck to do truck stuff or to annoy your neighbors?
Depends on the neighbors. 😃
Gladiator with manual Transmission for me.
And also the gladiator is the only one in its class to have a foldable windshield
I bought a silverado 59k msrp for 47k, that means there’s 12k in just smoke, since they still made money on my 47k.
Do you want an air tight camping solution? You need some breathers if you are sleeping in it over night no?
why isn"t the chevy colorado zr2 in the test
install air bags on the raptor you could tow more.
I’m really looking forward to a fun series featuring you guys, similar to Andre and his stinky Escalade….. or was that Nathan?
An hour for two people to remove the hard top on the Jeep?? What in the world that is in an insane overestimation. I do it by myself in literally 5 minutes and need someone else’s help for 30 seconds to actually slide the back half off. Where the heck did you get your hour long estimation for two people that’s absolutely nuts. Did you mean like the doors too? In that case I could see maybe 30 minutes total for everything if it was your first time or something… If you’re not using a drill you’re making your own life difficult.
I just went to Toyota web site and built a Taco. I was wrong about price. I specked one out it was more money DUH. I think it might just be worth it. ranger xlt fx4 57k as I want it. the Taco I specked was 52k. 5k more *BUT* for that 5k 6ft bed, sunroof, stabilizer disconnect. + some crap they make you get that I don't care about. What a Terrible Failure the old guy back in the home office that approves paint colors must have passed on. Orange Orange that's now a thing. 🤯I expected 12 shades of silver, dusty rose, old Lexus gold. RIP Toyota paint guy boomer. I am looking so forward to finding out how Blueberry works out. I might not get a ranger. Also looking forward to see if the bed sidewalls start to fold open well like a taco.
That camper is not heavy enough at 275 pounds to open up the Taco’s bed.
Those soft touch dash boards only last in the colder states. They won’t last in hot sunshine states. They will crack soon.
Sound, Sound, Sound. I reallt don't care about sound of the trucks. I would prefer if they were quiet and let me drive around in stealth mode. I've always though if the sound is load or aggressive, the engineering wasn't complete and instead the marketing group won out.. All that being said I think my next trucl will be the Ford Ranger XLT or Lariat, because in need the towing capabilities. So i will have to wait till the 2,7 engine becomes available and TFL doe a comparison/review/Ike.
If it was between the 2024 Raptor at $55k or a new 2023 Mojave at $44k though......
I personally hate touch screen infotainment systems, my 2019 gm infotainment system is junk. GM put thousands of these syatems in multiple vehicles, there are known issues where they fail and randomly stop working.
I'd love for you guy to add a test for all your pickups, how easy is it to load a full size motorcycle in the bed? Payload says it should hold a full size Harley. hmm?
The raptor ranger should have been compared to the TRD Tacoma for a more equal comparison.