Opposing Views: Assisted Dying - Mercy or Murder? | Dr. Ellen Wiebe & Dr. Mark Pickering EP 182
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- In this episode of the Opposing Views series, I spoke with Dr. Ellen Wiebe and Dr. Mark Pickering about the ethics and legalities behind medical assistance in dying (MAID). We talked about the arguments for and against making MAID available, which demographics are asking for it, the potential risks, and which countries allow it.
Dr. Ellen Wiebe is a clinical professor in the Department of Family Practice at the University of British Columbia. After 30 years of full-service family practice, she now restricts her practice to women’s health and assisted death.
Dr. Mark Pickering is a general practitioner of family medicine. His clinical work is mainly in prisons and other secure environments, and he is also head of the Christian Medical Fellowship in the UK.
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Dr. Ellen Wiebe’s Website: hemlockaid.ca
Dr. Mark Pickering’s Resources: carenotkilling.org.uk
For Clinicians: ourdutyofcare.org.uk
For Politicians: dyingwell.co.uk
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Chapters
[0:00] Intro
[0:43] Dr. Ellen Wiebe Intro and Background
[1:49] Legislation Allowing Assisted Death in Canada
[8:42] Why Dr. Wiebe Enjoys Her Work
[11:33] Which Demographics Choose Assisted Death and Why
[13:59] Mental Illness and Assisted Death
[18:02] Conditions for Assisted Death
[20:43] Timeline of Legalities for Assisted Death
[27:00] Can Doctors Suggest Assisted Death?
[28:20] Diagnosis and Human Rights
[33:42] Dr. Mark Pickering Intro and Background
[34:30] What Is Medical Assisted Dying?
[37:05] What Is Currently Legal in the UK?
[39:12] Euthanasia vs. Assisted Dying
[40:57] The Argument Against Assisted Death
[44:42] Chronic Pain and the Slippery Slope
[48:44] What About Switzerland, Belgium and Holland?
[53:09] Assisted Death And Dementia
[55:56] Organ Donation in Canada
[57:47] Mental Illness as a Condition for Assisted Death
[1:01:23] The Push Back Against Assisted Death
[1:04:54] How Does Faith Impact This Discussion?
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[0:00] Intro
[0:43] Dr. Ellen Wiebe Intro and Background
[1:49] Legislation Allowing Assisted Death in Canada
[8:42] Why Dr. Wiebe Enjoys Her Work
[11:33] Which Demographics Choose Assisted Death and Why
[13:59] Mental Illness and Assisted Death
[18:02] Conditions for Assisted Death
[20:43] Timeline of Legalities for Assisted Death
[27:00] Can Doctors Suggest Assisted Death?
[28:20] Diagnosis and Human Rights
[33:42] Dr. Mark Pickering Intro and Background
[34:30] What Is Medical Assisted Dying?
[37:05] What Is Currently Legal in the UK?
[39:12] Euthanasia vs. Assisted Dying
[40:57] The Argument Against Assisted Death
[44:42] Chronic Pain and the Slippery Slope
[48:44] What About Switzerland, Belgium and Holland?
[53:09] Assisted Death And Dementia
[55:56] Organ Donation in Canada
[57:47] Mental Illness as a Condition for Assisted Death
[1:01:23] The Push Back Against Assisted Death
[1:04:54] How Does Faith Impact This Discussion?
*well, you DEFINITELY have to ask them FIRST!* thats my view. not negotiable. _JC
Hi Mikhaila…so I also am a RN that LEFT Canada because the healthcare system sucked so bad!! Terrible!! They are very pro living here, so I’m not sure where this doctor is getting her info. There’s such high litigation here and I’ve never heard of any assisted death ANYTHING!! In fact it’s NOT talked about, so please ensure this Dr. gives you proof of the statistics she’s giving you. Thank you! Also I grew up in Valleyview, AB, near Fairview! And I love your dad!!! Great podcast!
With how cruel and unethical our world is allowing "assisted deaths" creates the atmosphere and environment for the next step. We go from assisting
to "deciding death" in formula.
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Hello Mikhaila,
I wonder which manufacturer and fulfilment services do you use for "After Party"? If you don't mind sharing.. Thank you in advance 🙂
Having spent several years being utterly convinced I had no reason to live , due to both physical chronic illness (RA) and mental illness , and having since for all intents completely recovered , mostly thru lifestyle changes . This woman terrified the shit out of me 🙈🙈 glad I never bumped into anyone like that whilst I was pleading with my family to just let me go 🥺🙈🙈🙈🙈😔
Exactly! This is what I’m saying, too. I just needed support and the right diet & meds to get through.
I actually respect that woman. I think people deserve the option of euthanasia. Look up Mark van Dongen's tragic story
So glad you got through it - stay strong ❣
Yes but that is you. Here in Switzerland, one of the only countries in the world were it is legal, it’s really not that simple. You have to meet a certain criteria, terminal Illness where the patients life is only going to get worse and they want to stop before the unbearable pain and suffering from the patient and those around them kicks in, or extreme mental illness which is judged by professionals, people with such bad mental illnesses that can never be cured and they want the way out. Your life and experiences are not the ones of others. Also as someone who has chronic rheumatoid arthritis, you can’t recover from it or cure it. You can manage the symptoms but never cure it, how do I know? I’m 24 and dealing with it in both hips and legs due to cysts and fractures in my cartilage all around them, at 24. I also have a long history with mental illness and suicide idolisation but have never thought about going to one of these places to pop my clogs it would be absolutely insane, the clinics would laugh in my face and show me to a therapist. People that go to these places need it, a family friend of ours used the service as a last hope and last control of her life after battling cancer for years. Think about the people like that where there is no hope except the day you die. You and I are extremely lucky to have chronic conditions and not terminal illnesses sorry to say that but we are, our pain is shit I know but terminal illness and uncurable mental illness is a whole different ball game my friend. You should look some of the cases up and see it’s not all black and white and that lady seems like a crackpot, don’t judge helpful services on one batty bitch.
@@AR-iv8ml I do what my doctors tell me. I’m on natural tablets called harpagomed which is basically fish bones and another which is like flowers. I’ve also had cortisone injections ( which I’m terrified of now and never want to have again.) and I technically can’t be operated on because the case is not sever enough yet. So let’s see if I get double hip replacement at 30 which makes me so sad as an ex dancer and hairdresser. My legs are my life and they’re so weak now walking for an hour can give me weeks of pain. That’s why I find fragglepoops comment ignorant, sure it gets me down but it’s not going to make me want to die and nobody is going to let me off myself professionally with just a chronic ra diagnosis, it’s just not done unless it’s head to toe hasn’t been able to move in years. Which is extremely rare.
As a nurse, this is horrifying. I’ve always said it’s the greatest honor to be at someone’s bedside during their birth, or their passing, but my job is to make both of those events as easy as possible, never to rush someone leaving this world. This goes against every fiber of my being and every reason that I became a nurse
When the state declares certain people are burdens, MAID becomes a tool of genocide
Thanks, this first guest takes demonstrates quite a bit of enthusiasm and reminds me of pathologist Kevorkian and the chief bioethicist professor at Princeton University (name escapes me) who in the late nineties advocated infanticide up to the age of two based on sentience. Word choice and mannerisms of this guest are grasping at justification and the reality of what happens behind closed doors you know are different
Huge Thanks 🙏⭐ God bless you heaps 🌟💮🌸
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You are sincerely appreciated ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Don't worry many people would be happy to take the potion actively themselves.! (Pentobarbital would do it for me)
As a chronically ill person with a history of anxiety and depression that is a result of my chronic illness, I am horrified by this. If I'd been allowed to die by these guidelines I would have died at 21, 23, and 25. I'm 31 and living an amazing life now. Everyone deserves the opportunity to get there. Note that the doctor that's so proud about killing terminally and chronically ill patients also performs abortions. She's no healthcare provider, she's a grim reaper.
The key is not begging for death. if you really wanted to kill yourself at any point during your depressions you would have just done it.
I'm very happy you're living an amazing life now. I agree...I also was not surprised she was pro-abortion. We should always do our best affirm an individual's life before ever resorting to ending it, no matter the circumstances.
Allowed but not forced. It's their choice. Not yours. Butt out, creep
So, then you would have made that choice, not the doctor.
Chronical MENTAL illness and NOT physical illness!
There are very few perspectives that I disagree with that I would say actually sicken me. This woman’s perspective on killing some sickens me.
I love how Mikhaila's face radiates health, intelligence, & compassion. Her eyes are clear & full of life.
Exactly!
Full of hotness
@@guthrie_1 that too 🤤
She's beautiful but she was before the botox and nose job as well.
@@Lex-tl4vm She’s always been a smoke show . Blond, brunette, IDC what.
This lady has a calming, sweet bedside manner way about her and talks a good game. But at times she also sounds kinda like the old lady offering the apple in snowwhite and looks like a necromancer 🤔
Yep
What really upset me was the case of Shanti De Corte was 17 years old when she survived a terrorist attack at Zaventem airport in Brussels but the doctors 'deemed it impossible to help her overcome her psychological problems' so they green lighted her wish to proceed with an assisted death. That to me = murder. Don't tell me there was no help in Europe somehere that could genuinely help her.
I bet MDMA therapy would have helped.
Yes, I live in west Europe, I remember that story. It's just such a fucking mess. Doctors do what insurance allows. I'm pretty sure they were waltzing through protocols and so they did their job. Which is the real problem we have.
HER wish. If she wanted to kill herself that's exactly what she was going to do. I can't stand how we force suffering on people and deem it a caring thing to do.
@@TheAcad3mic her choice yes, but before that, how do we determine if she was given all the types of care that was available?
We are seeing cases now, where care is deemed too expensive so euthanasia is adviced. How do we know a care professional is not taking into account policy budgets. It gets woven into protocols at some point. And it's deemed perfect medical advice.
Besides all this, not being given proper care could be deemed as abuse that contributes to their suffering too. What do we do with that.
Here is my deepest curiosity, if medical professionals were not protected by their profession in doing this treatment, how many hospitals would offer t euthanasia as treatment. Because we as humans are always so generous with trying things on other people's lives and making decisions with other people's money.
@@TheAcad3mic If you see someone jumping off a bridge, I guess you'd just walk right by huh. Their wish afterall.
The lady Dr. sounds creepier the longer she talks. Laughing at failed suicide is the limit. She doesn't think assisted suicide should be denied to anyone. ANYONE. I wouldn't let her put down my cat.
@Kamry Maddy agree. Good to give people the benefit of the doubt. Things aren’t always as they seem.
Her personality doesn't seem to fit this topic. That however doesn't mean her intention is bad. People need/want options. She feels she is helping.
Can you tell me who made the law that I am obligated to live ? (in response to why anyone should be able to end their life)
How a society considers and treats it’s most vulnerable and struggling citizens is indicative of how much it values individual rights and personal sovereignty. If the life or rights of the individual is degraded and discarded, that affects everyone.
It may not always be practical or possible, and there are rare extreme exceptions, but the aim should be to help support, stabilize, heal, inspire, and empower people.
Fun fact: society isn't built on broken things. People don't like broken people.
The emotional responsibility falls on the family, not on the medical authorities, of course in individualistic Western societies they believe that it is the job of doctors and nurses to convince the sick that living is good.
It's sad to see these last two fools comments. You're absolutely correct.
@@jaughnekow how should we define “broken”? There is a big difference between terminal illness with chronic pain, and something like psychological trauma or socioeconomic hardship.
With mental illnesses there can be treatments and options that are possible but inaccessible or expensive like SPECT scans for brain diagnosis, psychedelic therapy, or access to psychiatric professionals.
A reasonable benchmark should be an irreparable diagnosis. Considering these past years of medical and mental health degradation, we’ve learned that many promoted treatments for common ailments are rooted in mere symptom alleviation or the overprescribing of pharmaceuticals mainly for corporate profiteering. We’ve also learned there are artificial obstacles to effective diagnostics, prescriptions, and treatments. This is especially true for preventative medical care and practice care so that issues don’t exacerbate.
Again, there are exceptions. We don’t have the cure for everything and ultimately part of individual rights includes self-ownership and determination over your life and medical decisions. It’s just difficult to say that modern healthcare/mental healthcare has been effective and optimal, or that there aren’t many people struggling and perhaps considering MAID who are genuinely “broken” beyond hope.
Canada is one big prison
My mother was beaten and killed by Sturdy Hospital staff. She said NO to an MRI and they beat her so sadly she suffered catastrophic brain bleeds but the cover up was worse. They could have saved her by sending her to a trauma hospital to evacuate the bleed. I begged them to send her and instead they held her 8hrs until it was too late. We need a change in our healthcare. Justice for Carol Smith 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@cococolette5720 Could be canada
So sorry to hear, it's a great loss. I know these things happen way too often so I believe you, I just wish I knew what could be done to stop these incidents. I hope you and your family find peace.
Sorry to hear. May she rest peacefully and hopefully get some justice
Huge virtual hug lost my parent 8months ago to the neglect of those put in place to care for them.
@@ajbennett6623 Massachusetts USA. My mom was in a hospital for what we thought was an inner ear infection and the day she was being discharged she refused an MRI and staff beat her causing brain bleeds. If you search Justice for Carol Smith it will come up. Please never leave a loved one alone in a hospital
I wonder if Dr. Ellen would have assisted Mikhaila in suicide when Mikhaila was so sick. Sad to think about the beautiful lives that are taken too early and what they could have accomplished.
And they also could have been not reaching any potential at all due to their severe disability and suffering which doesnt allow them to live or merely function.
Probably. She seemed damn giddy talking about all the people she "compassionately" killed
The answer is yes, unquestionably. And with a giant smile on her ghoulish face!
Hahaha get off the internet and go outside. You talk like this shit happens every day.
To early by ur standards, that's highly narcissistic
This lady being so excited to help kill those who have depression is unnerving .
This was so good makailah
I appreciate her work and I don’t find it unnerving.
The way Dr. Wiebe describes the substance that will kill you as "medication" is quite chilling to me
All of the medications given for lethal injection in the judicial sustem are given everyday in the hospital safely. Every substance has a therapeutic dose, even if the therapy is death.
@@dana102083 death therapy.
Welcome to 2023 " if you're a good person, you'll eat bugs, use a digital certificate to validate your humanity and if you are REALLY a good person..just fucking kill yourselves. Yup. Therapy
Wear a coat
@@dana102083 Death is not a therapy. You present a non-sequitur. An inmate sentenced to death is not assisted suicide, it is justice in it's kindest form.
So called "medicines" are very toxic and unnecessary for otherwise healthy people. Blood pressure as well as cholesterol medications are nothing more than profit generators. To lower your blood pressure eliminate the cause which is a chemical, physical, or emotional stressor. Cholesterol is needed by the body to repair it. Lowering it is insane. "Medicines generally only mask symptoms and drive the stricken further away from independence and health.
Forcing people to endure unbearable suffering against their own will and wishes is not pro-life, it is pro-torture. We treat our dogs better than this.
Exactly!
Assisted dying is a euphemism for murder
Am I the only one weirded out by this doctor? Her affect is so incongruent. She smiles when she talks about people suffering and death.
She is terrifying. She must be some sort of psychopath.
I couldn’t believe it when I found out Hawaiis rule around overdoses. If the person is not asking for help, services will refuse to respond, even though they are unconscious and incapable. HPD & HFD will not send EMS either. This way of thinking seems to be a widespread issue now for some reason.
Whaaaaaaaat
Does anyone else feel the way she sounds at 10:03 like she has a demon inside her. It literally made me stop and rewind it. Yikes this lady needs to get her license taken. How is this healing anyone ? The way she is so proud of herself. I could keep going but I won’t I have wrote too much but she makes it so easy. Creepy
I have the same painful, incurable mixed connective tissues disorder, EDS, as the woman from the MAiD advertisement last year.
The thought of death did bring me comfort, as it was the only relief I could imagine from my intolerable pain.
Because I am a mother to young children, without father, I chose not to indulge that desire. But, it was reassuring to think I could just end it if I was ready, even without this new MAiD service.
It turns out, I just needed plenty of proper pain meds and support at home, in order to help me get through.
This respite is threatened by political games & pharma. The more they restrict helpful meds and therapies, the more patients will feel hopeless and give into this service.
Where does it end??
“Oh, I’m starving to death!” “MAiD at your service”.
“No! I don’t Wish to die. Just give me some Food!”
Exactly. Psychological coercion is too easy and has already been observed. A lot of atrocities are ushered into society under the disguise of compassion using extreme cases to open the door. for the really extreme cases there could be made but it's not working out that way where it's already been rolled out.
What if you didn't have kids, you were alone and didn't find meds to ease your pain? Everyone's struggle is different, even if they share a diagnosis, diseases have different degrees of severity and people have different lives and beliefs...
@@librarycard3748 then I probably would’ve off’ed myself, over a temporary feeling of despair, which could’ve been alleviated And I wouldn’t be alive now. I can share my experience and help others find ways to better manage their condition and live best possible life. If everyone who gets triggered and doesn’t have coping skills is immediately offered Death, no one will grow through the struggle, become stronger, and pass on those lessons to the generations.
The trouble is, government regulation is destroying homes and families with foreclosures, social experiments and division, job loss, poisoning environments and minds, and pushing people to hopelessness, then offering help to just end it all, permanently, if you can’t find a way out or a hand up- which is the support which should be provided long before any suggestion of these sorts!
I had spinal damage from being run over, on top of that condition, which Dr said was the worst case of it he’d seen in any patient.
If I could be helped, so could that EDSer in the advertisement legally killed.
This is laziness and stinginess of resources on behalf of the psychological and medical professionals and an abuse of the system and policy to save $$ & man hours in helping them out of depression and pain. It is complete lack of respect for life. A respect that we know is necessary in therapy when it is found missing in the suicidal individual.
The system could easily allow for special consideration of out of range conditions, but this is a fast track allowance and a slippery slope for those who should not be eligible or offered such option.
@@010101Be Very well put. Thanks for sharing your experience. The idea of growth through transitory or sometimes permanent challenge is something a lot of people are unaware of.
@@finflwr Thank you. ☺️
When my father in law was dying, the hospital took him off life support and let him starve to death for 3 days before he died while he asked his own son to help him die. How tf people think THAT'S more compassionate than euthanasia, I'll never know. It's cruel and if you did it to a pet, people would call you a monster.
What, so your response to a hospital deliberately withdrawing care and food from a patient is not that the hospital behaved unethically by doing that and should have continued to care for him and feed him, but instead that they should have simply bumped him off? Do you not understand the concept of a duty of care?
As for your last line, are you really advocating that the ethical status of human beings should be reduced to that of a mere pet? Treated as property that can be disposed of whenever they are no longer bringing you joy?
As someone young who struggles with suicidality, it is hellishly discomforting to hear the dark thoughts I have been fighting against treated as rational and healthy. Especially when I am still not entirely certain they are irrational.
I don’t entirely discount the idea that euthanasia could have its place, and I can 100% sympathise with people who are in so much suffering that they choose it. It’s just dreadfully unsettling that I could fight so hard to live through my early years just to end up dying to a more manicured suicide with people cheering me on
We need to return to the idea that medical professionals have a duty of care to everyone that comes to them. If someone is suffering, the only responsible thing to do is to find ways of helping them to suffer less, not to bump them off. I _do_ entirely discount the idea that euthanasia could have its place. It goes directly against the principle of the duty of care.
I hope that you win your fight against your troubling thoughts, and I wish you every success in doing so. And I hope that every professional person you encounter helps you to win that fight, too.
You were created in your mother’s womb and in the image of God. Seek Jesus❤️ He will help you!
It can get better. Signed, someone in their early twenties who very rarely has the suicidal thoughts I mistakenly always thought I'd have.
At the very least, you'll learn how to cope. Death is the only thing that can guarantee nothing gets better. Keep living.
No one normal wants that for you but one of this psychos. This hideous woman I mean. CONGRATULATE yourself on fighting through life which is painful and IS a struggle. We should all be cheering each other in to care for and make life valuable for each other. This idiot will never know the special endurance love and respect God (your God - our creator he is REAL) has for you… has for you for carrying your cross bravely. It is Gods will that carry - you get as much joy out of this life as you can and in the end be literally reunited with the most euphoric love and joy in Heaven you can imagine.
This fool is literally adding:
Bipolar
MPD
“Some delusions”
Standard things that aren’t psychosis!
She wants the choice to kill everyone.
She is laughing about patients mental suffering and it is the scariest part.
Those who are against it, obviously have not seen real suffering. if I am suffering stage 4 cancer, I do wish for an assisted death.
Thank you for presenting more than one view on this difficult topic, and for bringing it to our attention in the first place. It is scary to see how quickly laws can change if you lose sight of the preciousness of life. We have opened Pandora’s box when we start to play God.
The box has long been open and the generations or slowly picking it apart.
I'm 100% for assisted suicide. My dad was diagnosed with ALS when I was 8. He was on experimental drugs, so those allowed him to survive for just over a year after being diagnosed. Anyways, about half way through he was no longer able to move (other than his fingers slightly), he couldn't eat on his own, talking was difficult for anything longer than a few minutes. He was trapped in a useless husk of a body, and it was horrible to see him suffering day in and day out. If i was in that situation, I would have wanted to end it, he lived a miserable existence with no chance of things ever getting any better
That's an extreme case the kinda thing assisted suicide was for but they want to expand it or already have to young people who are feeling depressed
@@isaiahd5396 No I understand, I just wanted to share my experience
@@Grumpisaurus thank you.
I believe it is selfish and pompous piety to say there isn't situations that death is mercy.
I have been blessed with a tremendous health challenge for 20 years, and through those challenges, I have learned compassion, empathy, and love on whole other level that I couldn’t have learned any other way. I have also been blessed to see miracles and gain a deeper relationship with God. It depends on your perspective, but I personally chose to let this illness become a force for good in my life, and it really has.
As a clinician ALS for me is one of the most heart wrenching. Being with patients in hospice with ALS, and remembering one lady in her 40s telling me, a dumb 21 year old at the time, “Im scared”. I felt so useless😢
My daughter is suffering waiting for surgery...she was told about MAID, Canada’s new medical assistance in dying if she can't handle the pain or her life...she's 34. Purw Evil. It should be against the law for a proffessional to even suggest it...makes me sick.
They both have great points, but for the topic, the guy has the appropriate level of enthusiasm. Her involuntary laughter after saying words like suicide, trauma or agony would make me think I need a new doctor
Canada’s assistive dying without terminal illness is beyond bizarre. I imagine this debate will trickle down into the United States in the near future, but hopefully never get to this point.
Well, I don’t know if ALS is considered terminal but it is degenerative and painful so I respect people’s decision of not wanting to continue suffering and have a poor quality of life. Until you’re in that situation, you can’t make a strong statement…
Govt should concentrate on affordable living, healthcare, retirement security, safety for citizens.
The first part is difficult to watch. I could not giggle and be excitedly happy when talking about putting people to death
No one’s talking about all the elderly dying at hospitals and nursing homes because people don’t care. They strip you of your rights and treat you like a criminal. I wish you would help expose what happened to my mom. It was all over the news and the daily mail in the uk. Sadly my state is trying to silence and cover this up. Please never leave a loved one alone in a hospital.
I'm a sensitive and I got some really bad and horrible vibes whenever walking past nursing homes during the pandemic. I felt as if genocide was going on behind hidden doors. Can't tell anyone or do anything based on feelings such as those unfortunately, as no one believes it.. A hard thing to know and feel powerless about. I'm sad about your mum. My mum also passed last year.
@@finflwr So sorry for your loss. My mom was only 77yrs old and was not in a nursing home. She was at a hospital in Massachusetts USA for a possible inner ear infection. The day she was scheduled to be discharged because all she needed was her eyeglasses changed, she refused an MRI and the staff beat her and then tried to cover it all up and she’s gone. People don’t want to talk about our broken system but we need to. Search Justice for Carol Smith and you will see the story. Sending you hugs. It’s so difficult losing a parent.
@@Lendingyourlight That's horrific. there's so much abuse in the corrupt systems. We're in the time of things coming too light now, but it feels so slow when you already know the stuff that goes on. Sending you blessings and hope for the case for your mum's justice.
I too lost my mom in the first year of Covid lockdowns. No funeral allowed.
She might not have died so soon, if she had been granted proper relief with continued meds rather than having to drink her pain away.
This is the culmination of “The Slow Death of Compassion”. The refusal of pain medications that could alleviate the suffering.
They’ve pushed to criminalize doctors compassionate enough to grant relief through meds, and blamed Them for overdose deaths which they and their patients have nothing to do with (drug overdoses from illicit street procured drugs and irresponsible behaviors).
While it may be compassionate to help the terminally ill and suffering to end it early, it is Not compassionate to equally give up on the mentally ill, granting them death, in a situation and feeling that is temporary, like depression, and likely to change over time. That is a horse of a different color!
Health professionals no longer take the same oath to “First Do NO Harm”!
We Can find compassion without making it easier for them to get away with murder.
I believe we are now seeing how the N@zi officers developed and came to perform such horrors as they did against their fellow man.
@@010101Be I’m so sorry for your loss. The healthcare system is all about money. They made me disconnect my mom from life support in order to stay with her past visiting hours, knowing what she suffered and what our family had just endured at the other hospital. Sadly no one cares for the mentally ill or elderly. Losing your mom this way is so painful and leaves a hole in our hearts. I’m sending you hugs and again I’m so sorry
I recently had a conversation with my long time patient who was 89 years old, in end stage renal disease with intractable pain from an inoperable shattered lumbar. I told him the only options we had really was to go to the ER and be admitted for treatment, or call palliative care. He looked me in the eye and said "I understand and I accept. Please make the call." So I did. That was January 20th. He passed Feb 1st. I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand I don't feel that this had to happen had his physicians been paying attention and done the correct things. On the other hand, he was tired of the pain and agony and remarked multiple times that he was not interested in continuing on in this fashion.
The one thing I can agree with is that it is an honor to be a part of someone's end of life care, down to the post-mortem care. Not many people can understand this.
Your comment seems muddled. It doesn't even mention assisted suicide or euthanasia, which are the two forms of so-called "assisted dying" - the topic of the video. You say that the patient was given the options of treatment (what treatment?) or palliative care, neither of which are "assisted dying".
I can't imagine a poorer example for others than quitting when things get tough. I live every day in pain, some days I have no idea how I will continue, but I know I must because I would never leave that example for my children and loved ones. Suffering is a normal and useful part of life. We need to stop becoming weaker and weaker.
Hats off to you, and I hope things get better for you.
I am against it but I think some don’t have children or loved ones
I think it depends on someone’s ability to live life with pain. My mother was in extreme pain for most of my life. Her health became worse and worse and years past. When I was in my 20’s she had asked me if I could help her commit suicide. She had no life. She was wheelchair bound in 24/7 pain. That’s not a way to live. Most of her life was extreme pain that no medication could help. Laws changed where doctors could no longer prescribe strong pain meds. She suffered horribly. For her, she would’ve chose this option if it was available and I could understand her choice. I’m sorry you’re in pain and it’s great you are a good role model, but for us, it was horrible watching her slowly die in pain.
That's your business. If someone wants to end their suffering that's their business. Misery loves company I suppose.
Your suffering will soon become the responsibility of the ones you love i gather you have a lot of money to protect them from giving up thier lives to suffer along side you?
Wow, Mark Pickering has extremely persuasive arguments on this. I might be changing my mind
Even in my country where assisted suicide is illegal. My gran was still murdered by the hospital as they intentionally made her suffocate to death.
She did not consent.
This is all too often the case... i am so sorry to hear that she was not given the appropriate help.
She didn't? Weird.
That is awful! So cruel and evil. I am soooo sorry.
I’m curious why you didn’t talk about what’s going on in Vancouver British Columbia regarding the MAID program becoming available for minors without their parents consent?. Censorship???
The next step is to be able to curr certain groups of people who could be considered to be "troublesome".
OMWORD! What a way to candy coat murder!! She is absolutely giddy over doing this. This is evil and so disturbing.
Wow Mikhaila, your first demon guest on the show! How exciting.
She's not a demon, but they definitely peek through. It's pretty horrifying.
I am convinced Dr. Wiebe is completely disconnected from reality and otherwise disillusioned. Listening to her describe the love for her work and the "honor" of delivering this "medication" is chilling
It's very rare, but sometimes you can judge a book by it's cover.
Ellen is such an example.. She is exudes evil, vehemently.
How?
I agree. This lady grosses me out
Yes, she does abortions and assisted suicide and laughs.
Yeah, I was just feeling the kreeps. And her giggling in the most unfortunate moments
yes, something earnie about her, her discolored teeth and enthusiasm….. she was just….too….. much. can’t find the words
This is why ppl don't want to talk to their physicians about depression!
Just may put you on that list.
That is an excellent point. In fact, I have not told my doctor for that exact reason.
When does assisted suicide become a government decree for political, financial, and burdensome purposes and no longer voluntary consent?... tell me that will never happen.
It's already happening.
Working their way to get rid of ppl who are in their way!
Doctors no longer need consent at the time of injection. See the legislature in Canada.
You dropped your tinfoil hat bud
@@CheesyChez421 Say that to the Canadian disabled lady who asked for a rail at the entrance to her home and was offered MAID. I wonder if she was wearing a tinfoil hat?
Thank you for doing this interview, very interesting.
Why did Mikhaila stop making vids? She get cancelled?
She apparently finally watched one of her videos and went, "Oh Fk, did I make that???"
They are legislating away hope.
So true. Even stage 4 cancers are recoverable. Let alone chronic illnesses.
My father got assisted suicide for cancer. It was impossible to control his pain with medication, the doctors described his back as “moth bitten”.
I would sit by his side for days meditating with him to try release him of some of the pain. We really did try it all. He was a holistic man who did everything he could to fight the cancer naturally but in the end he chose to have his family all by his side for his final moments. At first I couldn’t understand his decision because it made ME uncomfortable but in the end I realised it was about him. It was beautiful and no one can take that away.It was 100% his choice.
Keep lying to yourself.
Where do you think he is now?
Mahalo for this in depth conversation on life's choices. God bless us all🙏🏽❤️
This was great, I really appreciate the Opposing Views videos. I learned a lot. I'm still stuck on the fence on this one... it's a difficult subject.
I love this format. Thank you for doing these opposing views videos. I have been terminal for a very long time, much longer than my doctors expected. I have mixed feelings on this issue and that has not changed after watching this. The misuse of these rights by those with profit motives is what most worries me.
Why do psychopaths always look like psychopaths?
Looking godly and amazing content as always and a episode full of after thoughts
My mom has been in hospice for 3 week. She has lung cancer, bladder cancer, kidney cancer and bone cancer. In order for her to ease the pain she is given enough meds to put her to sleep for very long periods. We watched my gran pass from cancer back in 1984 at the age of 61. I went to see my mom yesterday and she had assisted dying paper with her.. she is going to fill it out and give it to her dr. I live in Alberta Canada and part of the paper that says 10 clear days must pass was crossed out by her dr. I am going back up to see if i can see her dr to ask why he crossed that part out.
Update, please!
Because of medical advancements this service will not be necessary… even now it is not necessary because when we have someone to SAVE we work harder to create and conquer… without them medical science will stagnate.
interesting point, but I don't think we will run out of people to save anytime soon, even with this being an option.
@@Jamie-Russell-CME we may not "run out of people"... but we will run out of labor force participants... we have legalized the sterilization of children and abortion... and we now offer this service for those "willing" to take their own life... we arent even attempting to promote life at this point... which will only bring the opposite to light...
@Jamie Russell-Christian Middle Earth The issue isn't running out of people. The issue is this program is unintentionally creating more incentive to just kill troublesome/difficult patients than to attempt to help them or perform research on their conditions. That can have terrible lond term implications on funding research and treatments. I work in medical research and have a rare genetic condition myself. Getting funding for more rare conditions is already a tremendously uphill battle as is getting treatment and insurance coverage. If it becomes the societal norm to just have people with complicated conditions to opt out of life, I don't see much more research/funding going towards those conditions. Let alone treatment production or coverage.
You might think if less people need a drug or treatment there will be more to go around. But the reality is, if there isn't enough of a demand for decent profits, that medication isn't going to be made hardly at all.
It's just a far more precarious situation than anyone might realize.
A drunken and hysterical woman once deliriously jumbled-up some crap I'd been saying about why in the world Samurai would seek to redeem their honor in response to shame by killing themselves, and called police while I walked home, thinking I might stick myself over nothing at all. If you indignantly offend an arrogant cop responding to such a call, you could spend a night in hospital with unknown/undisclosed/unconsented-to drugs forcefully injected into you. This can occur as a result of the fact of being the least-psychotic party in the mad affair.
MAID might not ostensibly be murder, but you're crazy or ignorant or both to think that it won't surely amount to being.
I’ve watched my mother; my mother-in-law;and my brother-in-law waste a lingering death in hospice😢 in the case of my mother,she suffocated as the air sacs in her lungs collapsed; my in laws had stage 4 liver cancer that metastasized into other organs lymp nodes and other parts of their bodies wasting and aging; I also had a dear friend just recently die as well. I struggle mightily with why they had to wait for their bodies to finally shut done primarily due to lack of food and water. Explain to me the humanity in giving just enough Moraphine so their not in pain but die of starvation and dehydration over giving a drug that would let them go to sleep and pass away before all the starvation and dehydration kills them. I wouldn’t do that to my pet and I don’t understand why we have to do that to our loved ones😢
Thank you very much for this difficult discussion on Opposing Views. While I am a firm believer in "it's your body, it's your choice", the challenge with any of the laws that touch this fundamental bodily sovereignty right (eg. abortions/ jibber jabs) is the slippery slope principle. What irks me in this situation is that it seems so antiquated and barbaric. Instead of focusing on the prevention, the cause or the cure for the disease causing the pain and suffering, the focus now is just going to be "here, just die, we'll make it easy". Also, I'm imagining the Nazi Nurses pre-WW2 were just like this doctor you interviewed, that is, very compassionate, kind and smiling, and believing what they are doing is an act of mercy and "for the greater good". Remember, it was the disabled, infirm, mentally ill and elderly who where the first to go then too. Just sayin'....
My grandma was killed. During the Covid shitshow. I've had family members given things that "overdosed" because what they were given didn't work together. It's sad.
@@FloresOrtodoxas her story is very interesting. I have no idea. All I know is mold toxicity is what actually killed her. She was rushed to the ER because she had a seizure & fell in her living room. They worked on her...this was April 2020...they sent her to a care facility afterwards...& within days she was told she had covid. No one was allowed to see her. She was fine. She called my uncle & told him to get her out. That she was lonely & wanted to be home with her dog Daisy. Hours later...after he had called to bring it up to the place...he was told she died. My grandma DIED ALONE!!! I hadn't seen her in over 12 years. She lives far away...I haven't had good luck financially...but I felt something was up & for over a year had been trying to find a way to see her. That on top of the messed up way she died made that year sooo much worse.
I will bring justice to her hopefully soon. Medical malpractice is on the rise & not okay. I'm tired of it.
I worked beside during Covid. A lot of people suffered and died unnecessarily because we were so overwhelmed with Covid patients. We didn’t even assess anyone, standards of care were unacceptable, it was dark times.
It was heartbreaking to watch so many die alone.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society" - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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I recently helped out with my wife’s fathers hospice care. He has copd and it was rough. They had him on morphine at the end for the air hunger. It definitely helped him but I feel like the way they increase the dosage exponentially is a way of coming as close as possible assisting with the passing without causing it. The symptoms of an opioid overdose is very similar to natural death.
I love Mikhaila’s poker face
Growing up seeing people suffering I am torn on this issue. The idea that you must suffer seems cruel in particular situations. How to regulate it without collateral damage seems almost impossible. My heart says allow it very carefully. In some circumstances death seems like a merciful option. NICE intro edit.
Suffering is a reality of life. Everyone suffers. You will too someday
@@TheCrabbyWitch Ah yes, discussing the realities of life as we communicate at instant speed globally via space, using pocket super computers that weren't imaginable for almost all of history. Let's not get too far into the reality of life. If someone wants a peaceful and dignified end and you would force them to endure suffering, that's no better than greenlighting torture. I hate that this is even a conversation.
Thank you for being practically the only one to put forth these points. I already know what I will choose. As my recently deceased father-in-law said, "All this just to die" and my father said, ""It's a hell of a way to live."
Hmm, and both of them were farm boys that went to 1 room school houses. Strong stock.
@@TheAcad3mic how do you quantify the suffering? Should a person in a wheelchair consider MAID? Or should their family and community make life tolerable for them? I live with something called Retinitis pigmentosa which makes me lose my sight. Im legally blind. Is that suffering enough? I can’t drive, no public transit, hard to find employment. Is that enough suffering?
It’s okay if you wanna get doctors to get paid to end your life… the point is that it’s a slippery slope.
There needs to be supports in place for people who are suffering, not killing them off like animals
@@TheCrabbyWitch the point is each person decides for themself what is too much. My joints constantly dislocate creating tremendous paun with every movement. I cant sleep without dislocations. I have a leak from my dura, the coveri g of my brain and spinalncord so i cannot be upright without severe pain. Dysautonomia where my heart rate and blood pressure do not regulate properly. I only just started. Im 39 and for someone to tell me I must live a tortuous life where I have no money to take care of my needs, i have no children because Id give it to them and my parents dont have money to make my life better. Who's going to feed me when i cant? My thumbs dislocate. I understand how degenerative my condition is, Im a nurse. Would I live in LTC with seniors with alzheimers and behavior challenges when I can't live alone anymore? Its MY CHOICE when I decide I've had enough. It will be my choice whether its legally assisted or not and my family and friends wont question why. Should there be better government supports? Yes. But there obviously needs to be more empathy as a community and understand their point of view is very ablelist and may be nowhere near the point of view of who they are judging.
The laughing at inappropriate moments is a little unnerving. I hope it's nerves and not psychopathy.
Also is important to consider the health practitioners that don't want to participate in what is now considered a fundamental right. Will this have an effect in the type of people that will choose to (or not to) become health practitioners? In places like European countries were most of the healthcare is run by the state, will those who wouldn't want to participate in abortion or euthanasia have difficulties finding a job? Wonderful work! Mikhaila! Thanks so much. Keep it up! Hugs from Jerusalem!
Such an important point. I believe this has pushed a lot of good people out of many professions. Doctors who don’t want to deal death, psychologists who don’t wan to affirm gender dysphoria, and any professional who wants to exercise their right to bodily autonomy..
After this life ends your first thought is going to be, I was so wrong, there is another way, Life.
Isn't an expected death date
just an opinion???
thanks so much, m ! we now touring our 70s find this kind of specific info very important !
thx for your invite. my malwarebytes is blocking subscribing to tel'agram b/c of trojan perils. afraid i'm not very digital-savvy. best to you and yours !
We're in Canada and my father-in-law chose MAID after finding out his cancer had spread to his brain and there were no other options for him. He was adamant as he didn't want to be a burden on us and didn't want to suffer. He never wavered in his choice. I'm so grateful because 2 months later COVID hit and we wouldn't have been able to see him in the care facility he was at.
Imagine that demon's smiling face being the last thing you see.
Really… she gives me the creeps
Best 😂comment! Hilarious but true for too many people already. 😢
Great comment, perhaps an even greater username.
Creating Music literally cured all of my addictions health problems
It's crazy right as we're discovering most of these conditions and diseases are completely reversible with the proper diet, the medical system is rushing death where a life could've been saved and improved. 🤔
What an incredible video - I especially understood Mark’s perspective - so eloquently put with compassion and insight. I’m atheistic, so it’s not a religious bias❤️ - Ellen just scared me 😢
One does not have to believe in God to believe in evil or a devil. I'd ask you to consider Pascal's Wager.
Lol !! I just started following you and I'm starting the carnivore diet on Monday !!! And I just put 2 and 2 together and realized your dad is Jordan Peterson !!! I love him !!! He speaks the truth!!! The world would be a better place if there was about a billion Jordan Petersons !!!!!
The timing of her laughs brings me a lot of discomfort as to her moral stance on everything.
Her tone became real Kim Kardasian-like when she started talking about it being an honor for being a part of the assisted suicide.
It’s not an honor. And she laughs when she talks about people being put in jail when they fail a suicide, probably because she thinks it’s a stupid blunder since she thinks it’s so easy to kill people. I don’t see this as moral at all, but I can see why many people would want to end their suffering though. I can’t argue against their wishes to end their life, but I don’t think it’s an honor to end their life for them.
There was a case not too long ago of a woman in Canada with my health condition, Ehler’s Danlos Syndrome, who could not receive financial medical assistance as it is not seen as a disability (like it isn;t in Australia either) but did qualify for government approved assisted dying. She went through with it. This condition puts many in a wheelchair, on feeding tubes on steroids and opioids and having joint replacements and reconstructions. If it wasn’t for @MikhailaPeterson, I’d probably still be in a wheelchair. I manage my condition with the carnivore diet as there is no cure. When I heard of this young woman’s case it brought me to tears! I know her pain and frustration with the medical industry and not knowing what to do and where to turn to. But to hear she could qualify fir assisted death and not any medical assistance was disgusting! Especially for a condition that can be managed with diet and supplements but is just not very well studied, understood or even taught to medical professionals.
In dementia it is difficult to say for sure that the person at that moment really can make a real decision. Even if the person made a decision years ago, they don't know if he ( when he became dement) really can make a good decision at that moment.
A substance that kills is poison, not medicine.
Killing someone is murder, not mercy.
Truly wicked.
This is sick . Assisted suicide , murder . Same as abortion , just because you change the term doesn't mean it's not murder
you're sick for wanting someone to carry on in pain when they don't have the ability to end it themselves
@Tom Bass there are other options. You don't kill someone that's in pain you help them. People have always lived with pain, in pain. Maybe if people took care of their elderly and sick better stupid shit like this wouldn't happen .
@@MexicanThor why? Why should they be forced to live in pain? For completely selfish reasons because you want them around.
@@tbass94 I suggest you reexamine what you hold in high regard in this world.
@@DRourk Yeh I hold treating all animals with dignity and respect in high regard not letting them suffer
Have not seen you in awhile Mikhaila. Just checking in on you. Hope everything is ok.
something to consider as well, and what i find to be extremly heart breaking, is that almost everyone who tried to kill themselfes but failed at it, stated that they regretted their decision the second they pulled the trigger or jumped off a building, etc.
That's not relevant
@@CheesyChez421 relevant to what? I Just Stated My Opinion
@@CheesyChez421 how is it not relevant?
Demonic.
Super excited about this topic, was debating this passionately with a guy after watching the third ep of Last of Us together
Yes, the fact that states around the world are now sanctioning the deliberate killing of their citizens who are old, ill, disabled, most in need of care, and most vulnerable to depression and feelings of being a burden is super exciting. /s
Feel compelled to Say it again. The first interviewee gave me chills
If I want to die, for literally any reason, no one has the right to stop me. I’m not violating anyone else’s rights in wanting to die. Be reasonable and less emotional and this topic becomes clear. Assisted suicide is a good thing.
In principle perhaps. But there was several cases where people weren't bringing it up and were 'offered' it. One woman in Canada that asked her council for handrails due to mobility issues and was offered the MAID service. That's very wrong. I'm sure many others don't speak up about it. It's too open to abuse.
@@finflwr abuse is black and white.. if someone is forced to die it’s murder, that’s all. Asking a person or advertisement for it does not count as a rights violation. What right is being violated if so?
@@bradbecker8982 Vulnerable people with depression are given the message that they're a burden and wouldn't it be better to go away? Isn't it weird that the word s*icide is censored on RUclips because studies recognise that talking about it increases the rates of self deletion in the population. Yet you have a country that has allowed ads for it on the telly? I agree it's a right to decide for oneself, but these laws are wide open to abuse and I don't feel that that's ok. Especially now we're seeing more and more examples of people who never asked about it, being offered it if they ask for disability accommodations and other help that costs their councils money.
@@finflwr no they wouldn’t be told they’re a burden… they would be told (by legitimate services) that if they’re suffering and without another possible solution, there’s a final solution. Businesses have to worry about public relations so they don’t want to send out scary messaging anyhow. Who are you to tell someone they can’t request assisted suicide?
@@bradbecker8982 Why are advocates for state-sanctioned killing always so dishonest in their argumentation? You start off by talking about _your_ wishes and _your_ actions and how they don't affect anyone else, but then you perform some sleight of hand and say that therefore you should be allowed to deliberately bring about the death of _another person,_ thereby going against everything you said in the beginning. You know that _assisting_ a suicide is not the same thing as _committing_ suicide, don't you?
GHOUL ALERT!!
Even in the best case for "Assistance in dying", I would never allow someone who takes pleasure/pride in terminating your life.
Would we allow someone who takes pleasure in death sentences for inmates, or putting animals down?
This woman is the stuff of nightmares and I would immediately call the police... If this inhumane practice had not being made possible by Evil tyrants.
I am leaving this country before Josef Mengele makes a comeback.
The poor people who don’t have capacity to see a literal ghoul and end up in a bed with her in a white coat. Do you see the hollows of her eyes?!
Great conversations
Congrats on a milli MP! (C Rose from back home)
In Hawaii, we call it "Dying with Dignity". I was a Hospice Bereavement Counselor for about 7 years. It was very rewarding.
Dying with dignity, is for people who are going to die within 6 months no matter what. Canadian government wants to offer it to those with mental health issues, or who are too poor to live so they don't have to invest money in social programs, and can keep lining the pockets of their friends.
@@JustDaynaNoreen ... if I'm understanding you correctly, the program is to be extended to the non-terminal?
@@MichaelBiebersWorld yes!!! For anyone who’s mental illness is self deemed unbearable
@@MichaelBiebersWorld it's being considered and as someone with mental health issues in Canada...It wouldn't surprise me if my family doctor tries to push the "option" on me
@@JustDaynaNoreen ... so, you think your family doctor wants to murder you? Change your doctor.
I see the point that patients can end up feeling pressured to go through with it with organ donation, family members et al. Why not morphine for those in agonizing pain who want to respect the sacredness of life despite the low quality of their life?
Hi Mikhaila, I saw you and heard you for the first time with your father the other day. I am Daniel Palmquist of the State of California. I just wanted to say what an absolutely amazing beautiful woman you are and your father has done an amazing job. The man who wins your heart is going to be most blessed. 😊
I hope everybody is protecting their DNA. I heard that Gates has and is releasing billions of GMO mosquitoes; as weird as it may sound it might not be a bad idea to have mosquito hawks and/or dragonflies around... 😁
(Uh-Oh, we've got a stalker in the room)
@@ceeemm1901oh okay, you're just one of those brainless idiots who likes making an ass out of themselves. Well carry on -- you're doing a great job!
Well... as someone who is seriously contemplating checking out (any time between now and the next 14 years - all depending on how much worse the world gets and/or what personal disaster happens in my life), I can only say that assisted dying is something that should remain an OPTION, particularly for those who are SUFFERING - either physical pain/discomfort of an incurable/terminal illness, or from emotional/psychological suffering that simply cannot be corrected , becasue the person is just plain and simply "dissatisfied with (their) life", no matter how much money, love, sex, education, success, friends, family, fame, etc they have.
To DENY this of those individuals, is the FAR MORE CRUEL thing to do. Forcing them to live a life they may no longer want, because, why...? Cos it would make YOU sad or uncomfortable? Suddenly THEIR life and their suffering is all about YOU and what would make YOU feel better? Wow.
People say choosing suicide is selfish, and maybe in some cases, it is or can be, but in those extreme/unique circumstances, the only selfishness exhibited is by those people who are forcing their own values and choices onto someone else, to stay alive despite their pain, misery, discontent. It's one of the most obscene form of virtue-signaling, Being "pro-life" to the point of utter disregard for the QUALITY of that life, as evaluated/determined by the person who is actually LIVING that life.
This is NOT an issue with any definitive black/white or right/wrong answers. It's dicey and complex. It is going to be different for every single person, and can NOT be delegated to some structured tier system of qualifiers. As such, it should be approached that way - with much careful consideration and caution, paying attention to the individual and their needs/wishes, but at the same time, NOT to be rushed into (no different from abortion ; another life/death debate of much controversy, and interestingly, one where the same uniquely-personal circumstances and principles apply, lest the truly SELFISH ones be allowed to make decisions about something that has LITTLE to NO bearing on them or their lives).
Amen. I could not agree more. Luckily I live in a country that allows assisted suicide in case of terminal illness. I recently set up a living will to stop any life prolonging measures if death is certain. I have seen plenty of family members die in agony and with no shred of dignity left. I would not let my pets suffer like that and I fully intend avoid such an undignified and cruel end to my life. All those virtue signallers who want to stop people like me from actively planning the end of their life on their own terms can jog on and die the long, painful and drawn out death that might be in store for them. Side note: Suffering is not a virtue!
@@itzibitzi1845
Thanks for the support! I was sure I'd be slammed by all the "life lovers" telling me how "wrong" and "in need of serious help" I was, lol.
That may still happen...
_"Side note : Suffering is not a virtue!"_
According to the Christians, it is! That's why I despise, loathe, and detest all religion. Yeah, you just aint a "good Christian" (or Catholic or whatever, really), unless you are in constant struggle, strife, pain, and misery.
As a simple mythology, it's fine, but once stupid, gullible, lazy people who are looking for "easy spoon-fed" answers start believing in it as if it were historical accounts and/or crafting their entire lives around it like some kind of how-to user's manual for life, that's when I get pissed. Usually cos it's never enough for these drones to just enjoy their weak submissive servitude to fairy tales and superstitions for themselves - nah, they gotta browbeat everyone else into it, too. Misery (masquerading as "joy and bliss") truly does love company.
If modern-day religitards embraced Greek mythology as they do their own, then The Flight Of Icarus would cease to be the cautionary tale about heeding/obeying your parents that it is, and become instructions for escaping exile from a remote island (cos if the "bible" says making wax wings and flying like eagles is possible, then it's tuh-ROOO!)
There are reasonable people who embrace "faith", and I have no beef with them, usually cos they are respectful enough to keep their beliefs private and personal (unless it becomes a point of discussion), and they don't preach/lecture/fear-monger at people, nor peddle their ideology like magazine subscriptions, or shove them down your throat like Microsoft updates/upgrades.
Amen to that! I want out as soon as my son starts his own life (graduates from the university and gets his life in order). This life has been a nightmare for me and at 47 I'm at my wits end. If sarco pod is not available for me in 5-7 years I'm going to do it the old-fashioned way. Some of us just don't want to live. Period.
@@Rose_Ou
Thanks for your concurring comment. I totally hope everything pans out more favorably for you - for all of us - and none of us have to resort to anything drastic, but it's not looking good. Largely cos those who have the power to do something, are not. Everyone is just screwing the dog, wasting time, which in itself is a very bad omen.
@@BlackieNuff As usual, those who support the state-sanctioned killing of suffering people show their support by means of dishonesty and spin. Nobody is "forcing" anyone to live by simply refraining from actively trying to end their lives.
By advocating the dismantling of the right to life, the duty of care in the medical professions, and the legal protections that keep people from being actively harmed, you put everyone's lives at risk
Nobody is unconcerned with people's quality of life. Stop lying. Those of us who oppose state-sanctioned killing want everyone to be cared for so that they live the best lives that they can live, with high-quality palliative care made available to ease the suffering of anyone who needs it. That is not happening now, and that is why people are suffering
Millions of pounds, dollars, and everything else are being channelled into propaganda for the supposed "right to die", because the financial savings to governments around the world who expedite the deaths of those who are most in need of care are truly astronomical. In Canada, their euthanasia programme saves them hundreds of millions of dollars every year. Of course they are pushing it as far as it will go. You have to fight against this. Fight for better care, not for more state-sanctioned killing.
Mikhaila, what are you up to lately, haven't seen you in a while!
Gone off to find a way to have more than one facial expression.
Great cast, tough subject! Hope you're doing well fam. Would be keen to see an updated diet video. Peace
They could set a black mirror episode in modern day Canada.
It discussed me to hear the woman call poison ‘medicine’
Like health equals abortion..,
Defining the difference between a medicine, a narcotic, and food isn't actually easy. Dosage can make a substance change into the different categories. So what is it? at a low dose medicine, a high dose a narcotic, in some cases food or sustinance.
@@Jamie-Russell-CME well, I’m relatively certain that the definition for medicine is a substance which is used to treat or prevent a disease.
Given this detention, I believe it’s absurd to call the substance which, at its intended dose is designed to end a life, medicine.
@@Jamie-Russell-CME
You’re totally right though, the difference in dosage can change the effects of the substance.
@@Jamie-Russell-CME
You’re totally right though, the difference in dosage can change the effects of the substance.
Death is not the worst of fates. To keep someone alive, but in agony, is in my book one of the most selfish things ever imagined. Death is eternal freedom from suffering, the only eternity we can think of being better than any other type of eternity. Eternal life is hell, death is inevitable and it's final - cessation of existence can be a divine gift.
Well, if hell exists then no, suffering can continue, many people have experienced near death experiences of hell.
@@r.m5883 Hell definitely doesn't exist.
Agreed. It's egotistical to judge people who want to die. Usually implies a total lack of compassion. We should all have the right to choose.
Nobody is advocating keeping people alive in agony. Absolutely nobody. Those of us who are opposed to state-sanctioned killing advocate that everyone should have access to high-quality palliative care to keep them comfortable as they near the ends of their lives. The message being propagated that we want people to suffer is an outrageous lie. Yet it has a well-funded propaganda machine behind it, so it gets spread far and wide. The pressure group Dignity in Dying here in the UK has an income of millions of pounds every year, and they use it to push for the dismantling of the right to life, the duty of care of medical professionals, and the legal protections that keep people safe from deliberate harm. Without the right to life, without the duty of care, and without legal protections, we are all in danger.
@@TheAcad3mic tell those with near death experiences that
I’m from the Netherlands near the Belgian border. My husbands grandmother felt depressed since her husband died a year earlier. She got to the hospital because she had weak lungs, a chronical but not a fatal disease. She asked for her death (because she felt like a burden) on Wednesday(which was really wanted by her children because they wanted her money and were tired of taking care of her) and Thursday she had her assisted death. We didn’t got to say goodbye because the family kept us out out of fear needing to share more of her money. We didn’t want anything from her apart from saying goodbye. They should have taken her to the doctor for counseling and possibly antidepressants.
I am so incredibly sorry. She is with God. Too good now for a cruel world and you all will meet again.
. ‘Do no harm’ is the mantra that medicine must follow. Playing with semantics is not going to make bumping someone off sound less of a sinister practice.
This woman is terrifying.