@Heather Lynn Don't worry, now that you know and don't get another this won't be held against you. You're not in trouble bc of that tattoo, it's just now you know the truth and don't need another one :-)
I'm hanging with the Lord, without a necklace. With a cross on it, like so many do with they floss on it, because the cost on it. But doggone it, they ain't got faith, so take that little men off, go on and climb on it. Because jewelry ain't eternal security, while that man bled, should be hanging in your heart, not around your head. So put yourself up on the cross so you can save face, because when you die stand before him you'll be in the same place.
Right you are that is so truth espiecally in today's society we live in it's the new fad and not having a tattoo, tattoos is like being the rebel now instead now whereas it use to be if you had a tattoo you were considered a rebel exe.
My son had a tattoo put on his arm in memory of his older brother who went to heaven at age 24. I wasn’t going to argue with him about it-it’s his way of mourning.
I completely agree 100% with someone who has many tattoos, one I had done after becoming a Christian I failed to think biblically and long term about my decision. As a women in Christ I miss my pure skin and live in regret because I know it hurts my witness. Not to mention I feel as though I look the same as the women in the world, a grief I experience daily.
I like what you said about reaching or God calling you to a nation where it could actually be a hinderance. Never thought about it like that. God bless you 🙏
Got my tattoos at 46 years old and regret nothing. I suffer from severe depression and anxiety disorders. Placing my “go to” verse on my arm is a way of constantly reminding myself that the Lord is my refuge & my strength.
Leslie Renfro I'm not into tattoos but wouldn't judge anyone who does I think when I get old they wouldn't look so good That one of the reasons specially people that get quiet alot again I'm not judging but I wouldn't not get them because I'm a Christian as there are some Christian that are over the top too but I like and understand that person getting a verse tattooed to remind him as I constantly need reminding of God word I know I'm not getting it tattooed (maybe I should again I'm not into them but I totally understand that person so god bless u and may the lords word be in ŷour life always pls keep me in prayer as I need it
Neither testament condemns tattoos. Your old testament example is levitical law which has nothing to do with us under God's new covenant. And just because you want something on your body does not mean you've altered or ruined the fact that it is a temple. The only way I can see tattoos being bad are if they become something you idolize or they themselves are disrespectful to God.
Paul McMillan Jesus fulfilling the law ended it's effect on us. And if you use the argument of "well a satanist has it, so it must be bad" you're using logical falicies. Also, it's the tattoos that satanists have that are bad, not just them having them in the first place.
I don't have tattoos and don't like them for the reasons Pastor John mentioned. Even though I view them as unwise I don't judge anyone who chooses to have them. It's a personal conviction issue. Pushing a conviction issue that's not clearly backed by scripture is what turns off non-believers. Don't do it! My personal conviction is No to tattoos, my sister does not have that same conviction and that's fine. Like Matt. 15:11 says, "What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.” The same principle applies to our bodies being the temple of God, it's what we put into our mind and heart that destroys our temple. Do not take 1 Cor. 6:19 out of context, read 6:18 and you will clearly see it talks about sexual immorality. Also, do not forget, "People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart." -1 Samuel 16:7 "Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God." -John 4:7
I've been looking for a way to explain this to already-Christians for quite some time. I feel like I had the same line of thinking but this will be a great help for future talks :)
Dx Fire “Then Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.” MATTHEW 18:21-22 NASB 7 often represent completeness or unlimited. So basically Jesus was saying always forgive. I've also read that 70x7 = 490, which is the number of years the Jews spent in captivity and slavery. So he's saying forgive even in hard times and circumstances.
I don't know why this issue gets people so fired up in this comment section, ughh seriously What Keith Thompson said was right on No, getting a tattoo does not make you a degenerate sinner, but don't try and emulate what the world finds fun and attractive either
Then don't ever let anybody you love get their ears pierces or wear earrings, wear makeup, cut or color their hair, buy the latest nice pair of shoes or vehicle, or refrigerator, or phone. If you are going to avoid enjoying anything that people of the world enjoy then DO IT, go all out, don't pick and choose like a hypocrite!
Doing something that isn’t a sin that the world also does doesn’t mean you are emulating the world. That’s not fair. If it’s not a sin then I’m not emulating the world I’m enjoying life in a way that is okay biblically. Which is tattooing my skin to represent my faith and who I am. Just like dressing or getting a poster for my favorite movie. The world also does stuff like that does that mean I’m emulating the world ? I can’t even 🤦♂️
I think a good bit of these points could have been summarized by the Jimmy Buffet lyric... that a tattoo is a “permanent reminder of a temporary feeling”. Which, frankly, has been the biggest reason I haven’t ever gotten one (and probably won’t ever get one) - though have always wanted one/liked them and agree that they’re not intrinsically sinful (with obvious exceptions).
My personal preference regardless of any religious consideration has always been against tattoos. I have always found them to be largely dumb and pointless to me personally. I seriously doubt I will ever get one.
Very well considered and stated. To me, the folly of tattoos is the externalization of something that blue has value if it is internal. Being something has value. Showing it through actions has value. Drawing it in your arm has no value, and - to me- makes it more likely that in fact the message the tattoo represents is in fact untrue, a desperate effort to affect reality by manipulating appearance. But that is why I don’t like them. And others are free to disagree.
Pastor John hits the nail on the head at 3:48. One of the BIGGEST turn offs for me is a women with Tattoos. Not because I think they are inherently sinful, but it shows a lack of regard of how you value your body that was made in the image of God. I generally think along the same line for men as well (minus the initial attraction).
To me it tells me that person has an ear to the world and is more interested in the things of this world than spiritual life. No desire to be sanctified. A dangerous mode of the heart.
Imagine believing your opinion of what’s attractive matters to anybody. Don’t like someone with tattoos? Don’t date them. They will be just fine without you.
Thanks for the advice Pastor John. Im stuck in a dilemma. I really want a tattoo on my forearm, a tattoo of roses with a cross within the cross a verse. Of course, i go back and forth between my decision. In the name of god and to the respect of the holy spirit at time i steer away from getting it but at times i really to. I’ve thought about this art work for 2 years now. But even then, im still undecided, i don’t want to disappoint and get punished for getting a tattoo but on the other side to that. this tattoo is very meaningful. (Note i don’t have any tattoos and i believe many tattoos are foolish but this one. Like i said, is meaningful)
Watch the video on tattoos by the channel The Beat (Allen Par). He breaks this down very well and has no bias in explaining why believers should or should not get tattooed and is also biblically sound in his teaching. It helped me see that my decision to get tattoos was the right one for me.
I would really love to see what John piper thinks about my tattoo because his sermon on “sacred schizophrenia” and his desiring god collaboration with Shane and Shane is basically the entire inspiration. I have a feeling he might like it but then again maybe not. Still a huge fan either way!
If someone gets a tattoo of something silly or insignificant I agree and understand what John is saying. But if someone is getting a tattoo of something sentimental and significant to them, then I say go for it. If you’re getting a tattoo to look cool then don’t get one.
Can I ask you a genuine question that I have wondered about? Why would God want us to tattoo toxic poisons on our body? Did you also know as soon as you get the tattoo your body fights to remove it? This is why they fade.
#5 is strange: You might want to strike a different note in 25 years, but right now, this is the one I want - and in 25 years, the one I picked today will still be a part of me. Why not keep it, as memory, if nothing else?
What about scars? I still have mine from when I was four years old and I burned my hand in a stove. I see them as a part of my history. Tattoos could work the same way for some.
I’ve been wanting to cover my thighs with tattoos to hide imperfections 🤦♀️🤷♀️lol well shucks . God I think knows I would’ve been dressing all skeezy so he let me have cellulite to help keep me from showing too much . Not going to lie lol I would be wearing daisy dukes if I had nice legs . I’m working on liking myself the way I am and being ok with dressing modest lol. Another plus side to having a crappy body appearance? Less sunlight lol. I have nice skin because I rarely show anything lolol truth!💯🤷♀️🙏
@@Danutz214 God's creation is beautiful, there are a myriad of animals, flowers, colors that God gave us to enjoy. In addition, God designed the human mind to enable both deep philosophical thought and creativity. Using these tools, people can wear images of God's creation, Bible verses, and other quotes - while maintaining a body that still glorifies the Holy Spirit.
This is one thing I just don't agree with John Piper on. The video is partly opinion and partly something thoughtful to consider (honestly the missions point is very true, good forethought). A lot of what people take issue with concerning tattoos is that they're "trendy" and mark a fake Jesus fan. John here says the marks of a Christian should be that they walk in love. Certainly there's truth to those statements. I know several people with Philippians 4:13 or some similar motivational verse tattooed on them while they are living in fornication and drug addiction. But logically speaking, having tattoos and walking in love are not mutually exclusive. I am biased, since I work in motorcycle ministry, but the potential for tattoos to advance the gospel is plentiful there. Several people I know have artistic depictions of their testimonies displayed, which leads to a whole host of conversations with lost bikers. John warns that this may make evangelism too easy, and I see his point. People easily become complacent if they feel they're doing something that points to Christ, even something tiny. But again, tattoos and on-fire-evangelism aren't mutually exclusive. I think the issue is more education-related than tattoo-related. The same principle here applies to a cross necklace even. If the person reduces their faith to an accessory of any kind, I don't think a tattoo is the problem. The rest seemed more like opinion. You should be very careful to choose your tattoo since they're permanent, but it's not as scary as John makes it out to be. Just don't go to a cheap artist and you should be okay as long as you understand that it is permanent. I don't have any tattoos, but I personally find them attractive if done in moderation. I think that having a style isn't terrible. Everyone has some level of preoccupation with their own looks, you gotta just remember to set yourself aside and keep your looks from becoming an idol. I don't find any indication of tattoos crossing that line. It seems better to me than using daily makeup. That's just me, though. Still love John Piper, thank you for the thought-provoking message!
This is an area in which we have freedom in Christ to make our own decisions. While I appreciate and respect his opinions, we need to avoid legalism in areas like this. He is free to abstain. I am free to partake. We can respect each other’s differences. And I really did not appreciate his comments targeted to women. Women should NOT be specifically targeted for a teaching like this.
When I was younger and a newer Christian, I thought about getting a tattoo but I never did. Now older and more familiar with principles of God's Word, I really don't see from a Biblical standpoint how this practice fits with a Christian's Kingdom life focus: What about the waste of money on yourself? We all have way too many things we need to stop using the Lord's money for. This seems like another misuse of His resources. How does this truly advance His Kingdom? Or how about it having the appearance of evil possibly ? Or what about the tattoo places themselves? Should Christians be hanging out where people's bodies are being indecently exposed while getting a tattoo on the inner thigh or a piercing on the nipple, say? Not all places have private rooms. If the world highly values this self expression, why are we Christians embracing it as well. Much skin, especially on women, can be indecently exposed to show off the "artwork". Somehow this all doesn't seem to be walking in the light but in darkness rather. God calls us to come out and be separate. Just some of my prayerful thoughts.
Another reason is if the person putting the tattoo on you makes a mistake, which would be permanent, unless you invest the money, and willing to deal with the pain
Should be considered a conscience issue in line with Romans 14. If it's sin to you, then don't partake. But we shouldn't have to divide or quarrel over this non-essential matter.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks tattoo's are ugly. I've always thought so. They look like a "disease" on the skin and I cringe when I see them.
Excellent. I would’ve liked him to add a seventh reason stating how, by design, tattoos draw attention to your body and can give a person an “innocent” reason to approach you (Especially male approaching female) and get close to your body to discuss your body.... It’s a crack or an open window in a house that should be only open to your spouse. Your secret garden if you will....You are poking the bear by making your body (Which according to the Bible is not even yours but belongs to your spouse and vice versa) a billboard for discussion and attention. There are enough controllable and UNcontroable hardships involving sexuality, modesty, reverence, attention seeking, adultery, etc...that the world and the devil does not need any help from you or something you have full control over.
- Not intrinsically sinful, but six reasons against getting tattoos for Christians. - Adornments (like tattoos) should not overly focus on external appearance. - Tattoos are permanent, difficult and expensive to remove. - Your tastes, appearance, and cultural trends change over time, making tattoos less relevant. - Tattoos may not enhance attractiveness and can be limiting in a changing world. - Better to brand oneself through loving actions than tattoos; tattoos can limit missional outreach.
It says you shall not make a tattoos or marks for the dead on your body. It has spiritual significance in a few ways: - God is the God of the living, those who are in Christ are alive forever. - our bodies are God's holy temple, so we should treat it with reverence and respect - the Mark of the Beast is a tattoo of some kind. We are to keep ourselves "unspotted" from the world. The only mark we need is the one God made on our spirit. Of course we are not under the Law except in the few points mentioned in Acts; But it is important to consider getting a tattoo as a very serious decision. I've always thought tattoos were interesting, and I thought it would be cool to get one, I never found something I was comfortable having on my body for the rest of my life. I think there is lots of art out there that's astonishing in its level of detail. I also think points raised about the connection to rituals before battle to channel demons, as well as the message of the tattoo industry, are sobering thoughts. I love and respect Pastor John, but I think for this topic he should have kept things Scriptural, because there are some very solid truths to apply here.
I hve a large tattoo in my hand and i hve done it since my very childhoods days. I didn't do it in against with The Lord Jesus, we always say Jesus is the merciful Lord so i hve always hope that God will forgive me to enter his kingdom.
Having a tattoo doesn't send you to hell in the same way having an earring won't! Please be assured that tattoos are ok if they glorify Jesus in the same way wearing 2 pieces of mixed fabric is. The mosaic law doesn't apply today.
I was tattooed in my late teens, and through my adulthood. Now my arms and hands are inked. I got saved aged 45. Did GOD turn me away because I had ink? No he did not. He opened His arms to me and gave me forgiveness for my sins. Do I care what other people think of my tattoos? Nope, never have, never will. I am who I am on the inside, not the outside. Limited colours??? Nonesense, all colours our eyes can see are available in tattooing pigments, study a subject before denying it. Are my tattoos evil? No they are artistic images that mean something to me. Do my tattoos give glory to my Lord and Saviour? No, at the time I had them done I was not saved, but now I am saved, I am going to have a final tattoo done that does honour and give glory to GOD, that will also tell everyone that sees it, that I live for Yeshua, my Lord and Saviour Christ Jesus. Nobody on this Earth has the right to dictate to anyone, what is right or wrong when it comes to tattoos. They are a personal issue. The only comment in the Bible that refers to them is part of the Levitical law. The Levitical law has no relevence to me or my life. I live under no such law. I live in Christ Jesus. He died for me, so I live for Him. As such, I accept people for who they are, not what they look like, not what they might have done in the past, but who they are at heart, right now. Nobody has the right to judge anyone. Mark 12:30-31 King James Bible 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Kenny Nicholson I agree with you because I am heavilly tattooed from 19yr to I was 35....then God found me,does he judge me for my ignorance or my past broken life......? NO ONLY LEGALISTIC SELF RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE DO THEY DONT JUST HAVE A LOG IN THEIR EYE THEY HAVE AN OAK TREE😂
God will never judge you for who you are on the outside. Love is love. A parent will not neglect a child because he has a tattoo. With that being said, it is without a doubt that your body is a body of Christ, it is a temple of holiness, whether it is for sexual immorality or a tattoo. The biggest point I have is this. Paul said that if your actions bring doubt or hinder the faith of someone who is weak willed in christ, it is ultimately a sin. As soon as you accept christ into your heart, you have obligation of representing Christ to all unbelievers. If your tattoos bring doubt into a believer's heart, and is therefore, not benificial for the glory of God, then it is not right in the eyes of God.
Kenny Nicholson .... hey Kenny, Pastor John was giving an opinion of a question asked. He said very clearly that scripture doesnt warrant calling tattoos sin. So, how about we allow Pastor Piper the freedom to disagree with you that tattoos are probably unwise?? Notice how many people on this thread agree with Pastor John?? You are free in Christ, not condemned.
Janos Skorzeny ... please listen to this video in its entirety before responding. No where in this video did Pastor John say that God condemns people for tattoos.
God will judge. He is the ultimate judge. He looks at the heart, unlike man who looks at outward appearances. It doesn’t seem like you have a repentant heart before God. God forgives sin when we repent in the name of Jesus Christ.
Imagine getting a Rain bow tatto because thats Gods prommise to never destroy this world with watter and in this times you would actually look like a homosexual supporter...
He's mixing in his own aesthetic taste with what's right for people in general which is hardly helpful. I don't think tattoos are generally a good idea but if they didn't look good people wouldn't get them. Saying they're ugly gives people an excuse to say he just doesn't understand, because apparently he doesn't.
I am older. I have allergies and rub my eyes too much. I feel bad about my appearance. I went from looking like an above. average looking grandmother to old and ugly woman in a year. Now i think tatooed color outlining my eyes will cut down allergies and harsh makeup remover. I think its a good choice for me.
people that tattoo themselves are missing the whole point. its about vanity and self adornment and dissrespecting your body as a temple. people get tattoos to get attention. stupid!
The Indian tattoos, known as 'Mahendi' are not permanent, it's more like painting on your skin that will come off soon. I don't think you can classify them to be in the same category as the normal tattoos.
If a "Christian" tattoo is too easy as far as labelling oneself as a Christian... And the works and how one lives is the best way to show that you are a Christian.... then why does having a tattoo matter? I don't have any tattoos but I don't see the correlation. What if you have a cross tattoo but also do many good works and show much fruits in your life? The same way your clothes don't show how righteous you are ? do you have to remove that tattoo? or if you decide to get one does that have anything to do with your works or how you live ? also you can't say tattoos are unattractive ...many people are attracted to tattoos lol
I have 18 tattoos and got my first one 18 years ago and do not regret ANY of them, to say I am naive because I won't lije something in 20 more years is foolish on your part, every one is significant and i highly doubt i will regret having my child's artwork or names on me. For you to say tattoos are ugly is exactly like you said, YOUR Opinion and not a reason for me tattoo or not to tattoo.
This seems to be purely about taste. By Piper's standards earrings would be lumped in, to some degree, with tattoos. He is also speaking from the point of view of someone who has never gotten one. He's entitled to his opinion, but it's not informed by personal experience. I have many tattoos and do not regret them. I am an artist and the idea of essentially having paintings on my body that I can enjoy every day has always appealed to me. It has never been about being showy as most are hidden, and I have done 75% of them myself. I have used the talents God gifted me with to do a lot of volunteer artwork and painting for my church and to create permanent artwork on my own body. I get compliments on my 1/2 sleeve, but so do people wearing a nice shirt or a new hairstyle. This is a generational difference of opinion. Early Christians did similar things with symbols like fish and crosses hidden in anchors to let others know who they represented. I have a biblical reference tattoo and it is an easy conversation segue for unbelievers, so that is an added benefit.
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When it comes to the subject of tattoos it seems to be an impasse and biased because when it is discussed by Believers and/or non-Believers it tends to be bombarded by opinions rather than wise counsel. As believers we know (or should know) that any matters of our lives should be filtered through the Word of God, and there is no way to achieve this without His Holy Spirit. Why? Because we are fallen beings in a fallen world and until our very souls leave these bodies of fleshy Temptations we will always be capable of doing evil, beyond our own imaginations, period. It's so easy to criticize, judge, and condemn the obvious "sin" that we can see with our naked eyes. We tend to forget that there is a root to our sinful nature, regardless of what it is, and that we all struggle or have struggled with SOMETHING. So before you look upon a woman (or a man) and say "They are tattooed and ugly, They're evil, they are sinful beyond saving, look at what they've done to themselves, how could they, or "I would never..." think about this: What if every single sin you have committed was tattooed on your physical being? Would YOU be "clean"? Would your skin be clear?? 1 Samuel 16:7 states "But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart." Several times in the Word it states that God looks at man's heart and soul NOT his physical being. Even though we are obligated to take care of this being in the best way we can Lord knows that there's only so much we can do due to our own sinful nature and the sin if this world. In this case, tattoos ARE some peoples testimonies! Many times there are people converted to Believers who got tattoos (some of them from head to toe) covered in them from when they were once living in sin and they now use it to witness about how God changed them, thus bringing glory to the sovereignty and the power of God. Then you have Believers who make the decision after they are converted to get tattoos for whatever reason. Including me, because yes I did decide to get tattoos after a while after I became a Believer and I have many due to my own personal choice. The reasoning behind ANY DECISION is what matters. No matter how much we try to justify, excuse, and look over anything we all have to answer to God for any and everything we have done. We tend to have "acceptable" sin in our lives without even realizing it, but we are too busy being caught up on what we can "see" rather than the reality which is: None of are worth saving, and if it wasn't for Jesus where would we all be?? THAT'S the true matter in all of our lives and the ultimate decision to accept Him or not, and we all have to make that decision.
I think with these type of issues (cigarette smoking, tattoos) it's also important to consider what kind of message you're trying to send and is that a Godly message. I suspect in most cases then that getting a tattoo as a professing Christian is sinful.
It is absolutely disgusting to hear a professing Christian and pastor, state his "opinion" (that he says using very concrete language) with such hate and judgement. There are several of Johns videos that I enjoy, but this is dripping in legalism. I am truly dumb founded. Using the words ugly, pitied, and sad for women (he doesn't dare talk about men in this way) with tattoos then going even farther to say "Women you have beautiful skin, Men like it...DON'T MESS IT UP" as if its not even our skin anymore...so now its a woman's job to cater to men's taste as if our sole purpose is to find a husband. There are so many reasons people get tattoos, and most are not motivated by arrogance or a desire to find a mate. As an artist, I see mine as self expression and a form of art much like my paintings. They represent stages of my life, trials I've overcome, and stand as a reminder that Christ carried me through those hard times and will continue to carry me...which is why I have bible verses on me. Diversity within the church is so important. Yes, obviously becoming a christian means a lot of things in your life will change and it does matter how you present yourself to the world (although people will always find a reason to be mad) but it does not mean you have to start wearing pastels and become a copy paste version of the stereotype of a "good christian". My darker style and even my tattoos help me reach a section of non-believers that would not even speak to someone like John Piper. God created each to be unique and gave us our interests, skills, and styles for a reason. The second we start hyper focusing on everyone's appearance and whether their external is our version of what a christian looks like, the sooner we lose the entire message of the gospel. Which further perpetuates legalism, and the belief that what you do and how you look is what determines your spot in heaven...not being saved by grace through faith.
1. Verses against tattoos have no modern context 2. I waited until I was 54 to finally get one 3. My tattoo is a symbol of who I am, who I want to be 4. I asked God about it before I got it: no objections
I just don’t get the issue with tattoos. And I’ve done so much research and watched every preachers opinion. Facts is ITS NOT A SIN! if you got to the right artist you can get a beautiful peace of work done on your skin. It’s beautiful art. You pain murals on church walls build statues of Jesus carve into the ceilings of chapels. But have such an issue with expressing your passions and faith on your skin. Just cause evil people used it doesn’t make it evil. A Christian can get a beautiful tattoo of the last supper on their back and it would be just as beautiful as the one painted on the walls of the chapel. A man after Gods own heart who wants to use his skin to express his faith is no less a man of God then a man who only wears suits and ties to express himself. If getting tattoos was a sin I wouldn’t have zero issues with not getting them just like I quit smoking ciggs and I quit drinking and getting drunk and I quit sleeping around cause it’s a sin. But tattoos simple are not a sin yet the body of Christ likes to make people feel bad for the desire to want tattoos they say their not shaming people but they make it seem like even though it’s not a sin you still shouldn’t do it. When THATS NOT BIBLICAL JOHN PIPER. It’s just not. Your first video was good I loved it. This video could make a women feel shameful for having a beautiful tattoo or make someone feel guilty. If it’s not a sin do me a favor and don’t waist your time potentially making people feeling shame for something that isn’t even against scripture. Remember this. A PORTION OF THE BODY OF CHRIST IS AGAINST TATTOOS THE BIBLE ISN’T!
I got my first tattoo around the age of 14. It was a "christian" type of tattoo. I thought it was cool to get a tattoo and I would be safe if it was christian. When I was 20 I got a tattoo on my finger because I thought it would impress people. One month later I got three tattoos. One on my hand one on my finger and one on my neck. I was very insecure and very proud of myself and I thought that who the hell cares what I do. I am utterly disgusted by them, but God is gracious. I am now able to remove them. Bottom line is I wish I had clear skin as I had before I got tattoo's. Now I have to face my scars/tattoo's everyday. God created us in His image, why should we modify his creation in such an utter way?
caroline strotman you can't decide what your children do. Dont act like you have control over your child. I dont think you said this out of love, rather out of pride and selfishness. God creates us and is the one who makes decisions in our lives.
Parents have responsibilities to teach and supervise their young children. We teach and supervise our kids out of love not out of pride and selfishness. We urge them not to do stupid things because we love them. The rules in our household will be very clear. We will be very 'conservative' and pretty 'strict' with our children. My unmarried young girls will not stay out late with guys..my boys will not flirt around and be disrespectful to women whom they have no intentions to marry. My girls will not wear revealing clothes that show their breasts and butts. They will not get tattoos because they are likely to be impulsive and foolish when they are young and regret their deeds. We will teach them with the Lord's rules, and We believe that it's our responsibilities as parents to teach and guide our children.
Mysogyny? I feel like you wanted to hear that because if you have ever listened to Piper for some time he's anything but, and it seems like you have a very liberal bent to your views Awful
I love Pastor John's preachings, however I don't think he understands what a tatoo is or why people get tatoos. It's not always about looks, some tatoos are even hidden behind clothing...anyways he missed on this one
Incredibly primaly unattractive on women. A tattoo on a woman is thee surest sign of impurity(sex before marriage) when looking for a Christlike loving suitable helper.
The issue with what he’s saying is that the tattoo I got ten years ago I still love it. And I think women with tattoos are way more attractive then women without. People who get tattoos are in it for the Long haul we’re not gonna wake up 20 years later and regret all of them lol it’s been 20 years and I still love my tattoos. Every tattoo represents where I was in that moment of time it’s a memory and it’s self expression of who I am. Like how I dress or the cologne I put on. Sense it’s not a sin I use it to express my self and represent my faith. This attack on tattoos to me is just unbiblical and opinion driven. You should make a video on 6 reasons why someone shouldnt where the color purple and one of the reasons should be cause you don’t like that color lol. Some people might say your suits are very Blain and tasteless no color or style but that would be mean so most people wouldn’t say that. So in the same sense to say a women looks burnt with tattoos is just mean lol or to say there ruining their beauty isn’t fact it’s opinion. Cultures for thousands of years have used tattoos and considered them a form of beauty. I could say that your ruining your witness by wearing those terrible looking shoes or wearing that brown suit. How will you reach the lost coming out a party wearing a brown suit and Walmart shoes lol. But that’s just my opinion and that’s mean so I wouldn’t say that. Plainly stated if it’s not a sin and it doesn’t effect the believers faith in Christ like you say then your opinion doesn’t matter. Infact you just projecting your beliefs on people not biblical truths.
As sadly as it has been apparent lately, Piper has strayed from Scripture and has simply put foward "man's" reasons for not getting a tattoo. Scripture however is very clear. Christians are not to be like the idolitors. We are not to be like the world. Tattoos have always been a part of idolatry and paganism. The present fascination with them is because we live in an utterly godless society. Leviticus 19:28 says "You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord." I don't know what is so hard about this to understand? (this coming from someone who has a tattoo from my days as a rebel against the Lord)
This is why I have to be picky with John Piper. While the man is clearly a wonderful theologian and provides a lot for the faith and bringing others up in this, this specific response reeks of personal judgement, not wisdom. Although he does say it is his opinion and I can respectfully disagree, to say the opposite opinion is "unwise" and to make bolstering statements about the motivations of the other side is not conducive to respectfully sharing an opinion. Disappointed.
I read through your comments on bowrain, and I think I see where you are getting at. It can be easy for some who maybe haven't looked into the Old Testament to dismiss it as "irrelevant" because of Jesus, which clearly isn't true. Our same God today was the God who spoke to Moses and lead the Israelites. However, there are different types of law: the moral law, the civil/judicial law and the ceremonial law. God enstates each of these as He purposes in different ways. The Moral law is the law that Christians today are under, which constitutes both Old and New Testament. Civil/Judicial law is seen as the "culturally relevant" law, that even unbelievers in OT times would hold to. And Ceremonial Law is what God used in the Old Testament to separate Israel from other gentile nations. This is where the "ink your body" scripture in Leviticus comes in, along with dietary rules, circumsicion rules, and rules about time spans after birth for a family to go back to church (33 days for boys, 66 for girls, incase you were wondering). We are under the Moral Law as Christians today, not the Ceremonial. For example, if you look at Galatians 2:1-3; 5:1-11; 6:11-16; 1 Corinthians 7:17-20; Colossians 2:8-12; and Phillipians 3:1-3, you can see the circumsicision rules in the OT were done away with. This division of law was a concept also explained by Thomas Aquinas and Saint Augustine.
While I can see a point if you have a personal conviction about tattoos, and feel it is best for your worship of God not to have one, there is no moral law that constitutes this for others. This is a doctrine, like many others, that gets Christians caught in arguments away from what is truly important, the supreme power of God, the resurrection of Jesus for our sins, and taking the gospel to the world. This is where my problem stands with Piper's specific teaching here, and while I respect your conviction to hold to scripture, the greater story of Scripture as a whole doesn't hold for picking singular Leviticus verses as law for today. I hope this was clarifying, and pray that this brings you closer to God and His glory/ “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.” Colossians 2: 16-17
I also see your point, but the scriptures you mentioned in Galatians only mention circumcision. Now we know that circumcision of the flesh no longer profits, because we now have circumcision of the heart. So not even that law was done away with, its application just changed. Regarding Colossians 2, i agree it does sound like all those are gone, but as we know Jesus said, not one yota or tittle will pass from the law. Those people lived in a pagan country and no one would have judged them for not doing all those things, so Paul was saying that no one should judge them in the things they now do according to the law. Again, i know it doesnt sound like that, but i would hate to create a contradiction in scripture with my limited understanding of greek and what Paul actually tried to say to them. I keep to what Jesus said and not what we think Paul meant. So all things in law are still valid, but its our application to those laws that may have changed. We see this here. “Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.” I Corinthians 7:19 NKJV
The iota and tittle verse (Matthew 5:18) talks about Jesus' perfect fulfillment of the law, and does not retract my previous points. And the Galatians verses, along with Galatians 3:23-25 speak to more than just circumcision. They point to the very thing you are pointing to, Christ. It says specifically that "the law was our guardian until Christ came, tin order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian." Christ has broken that, because in Him, the Father and Holy Spirit, we have a deeper intimacy with God that was not available to the Israelites. This is a rejoicing truth! I pray this gives you freedom to see Jesus in a new way glorifying to God. I can and will respectfully disagree with you on this statement, and continue to see you as a brother in Christ. I'm going to get off the internet now.
One of the worst ask pastor Johns out there.... But I enjoy it because it proves all men fallible. You can't call your personal opinions wisdom. Much of this was ignorant and subjective. I do and have thought of reason #6 tho. That was decent. The rest were just cringe worthy. I would advise taking this one down... 🤷🏽♂️... But oh well..
I will say this; my wife has a lotus tattoo on her back, between her shoulder blades.. and as a Christian man; I think it is very very sexy. And I tell her time and time again as we crawl into "there's my lotus flower" I think it is very attractive, my wife's tattoos.
Paul Washer "You don't need Jesus tattooed on your arm, you need the law of God written on your heart"
I'll get that tattoo on my arm
It's perf3ct thanks 😆
@Heather Lynn Don't worry, now that you know and don't get another this won't be held against you. You're not in trouble bc of that tattoo, it's just now you know the truth and don't need another one :-)
I'm hanging with the Lord, without a necklace.
With a cross on it, like so many do with they floss on it, because the cost on it.
But doggone it, they ain't got faith, so take that little men off, go on and climb on it.
Because jewelry ain't eternal security, while that man bled, should be hanging in your heart, not around your head.
So put yourself up on the cross so you can save face,
because when you die stand before him you'll be in the same place.
*dies of attempting to get the entire law of God tattood on my physical heart*
True you don't need it but i love mine!
As an avid supporter of tattoos, I would absolutely encourage pondering of EVERY WORD John says here
Not having a tattoo is the new having a tattoo.
That’s what I say all the time. I used to be the guy that said “I’ll never regret my tattoos!”... well guess what? Lol
Pyan_Rage I don’t regret them but if I could get them removed for free I would get them removed ha
Right you are that is so truth espiecally in today's society we live in it's the new fad and not having a tattoo, tattoos is like being the rebel now instead now whereas it use to be if you had a tattoo you were considered a rebel exe.
Awesome counsel ,always given with wisdom and love. God bless you Pastor John from UK
My son had a tattoo put on his arm in memory of his older brother who went to heaven at age 24. I wasn’t going to argue with him about it-it’s his way of mourning.
I completely agree 100% with someone who has many tattoos, one I had done after becoming a Christian I failed to think biblically and long term about my decision. As a women in Christ I miss my pure skin and live in regret because I know it hurts my witness. Not to mention I feel as though I look the same as the women in the world, a grief I experience daily.
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But. How does it hurt your witness? Genuinely wondering ...
@@AnHebrewChild if you want to share the gospel to the muslim then it does hurt your witness
Another reason having a Christian tattoo is bad is how can you have sex with some person and have to look at that tattoo and not feel guilty and dirty
I like what you said about reaching or God calling you to a nation where it could actually be a hinderance. Never thought about it like that. God bless you 🙏
This is especially true of Japan where tattoos are associated with the Yakuza.
Words from a wise man.. very edifying
Got my tattoos at 46 years old and regret nothing. I suffer from severe depression and anxiety disorders. Placing my “go to” verse on my arm is a way of constantly reminding myself that the Lord is my refuge & my strength.
Leslie Renfro I'm not into tattoos but wouldn't judge anyone who does I think when I get old they wouldn't look so good That one of the reasons specially people that get quiet alot again I'm not judging but I wouldn't not get them because I'm a Christian as there are some Christian that are over the top too but I like and understand that person getting a verse tattooed to remind him as I constantly need reminding of God word I know I'm not getting it tattooed (maybe I should again I'm not into them but I totally understand that person so god bless u and may the lords word be in ŷour life always pls keep me in prayer as I need it
Paul McMillan Please tell me where that’s at in the Bible? And PLEASE don’t go to Leviticus because you will be taking that so out of context!
Neither testament condemns tattoos. Your old testament example is levitical law which has nothing to do with us under God's new covenant. And just because you want something on your body does not mean you've altered or ruined the fact that it is a temple. The only way I can see tattoos being bad are if they become something you idolize or they themselves are disrespectful to God.
Paul McMillan Jesus fulfilling the law ended it's effect on us. And if you use the argument of "well a satanist has it, so it must be bad" you're using logical falicies. Also, it's the tattoos that satanists have that are bad, not just them having them in the first place.
I don't have tattoos and don't like them for the reasons Pastor John mentioned. Even though I view them as unwise I don't judge anyone who chooses to have them. It's a personal conviction issue. Pushing a conviction issue that's not clearly backed by scripture is what turns off non-believers. Don't do it! My personal conviction is No to tattoos, my sister does not have that same conviction and that's fine.
Like Matt. 15:11 says, "What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.” The same principle applies to our bodies being the temple of God, it's what we put into our mind and heart that destroys our temple. Do not take 1 Cor. 6:19 out of context, read 6:18 and you will clearly see it talks about sexual immorality. Also, do not forget, "People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart." -1 Samuel 16:7
"Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God." -John 4:7
I've been looking for a way to explain this to already-Christians for quite some time. I feel like I had the same line of thinking but this will be a great help for future talks :)
If you felt so strongly about something, then do something about it instead of simply inking on your skin for the world to see.
Wanted to tattoo 70x7 on my arm but your advice puts it in perspective, actually applying it in my life will bring more glory to God.
@Dx Fire to forgive someone 70x7 times I think is the biblical reference
Dx Fire
“Then Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.”
MATTHEW 18:21-22 NASB
7 often represent completeness or unlimited. So basically Jesus was saying always forgive.
I've also read that 70x7 = 490, which is the number of years the Jews spent in captivity and slavery. So he's saying forgive even in hard times and circumstances.
What? That makes no sense?
Or get a tattoo...people get haircuts and wear makeup. Shut up.
I really got a lot out of number six, that struck such a chord with me. God bless you all.
This was interesting. Leaning even more towards getting a tattoo now
Agree on all points. Thank you.
I don't know why this issue gets people so fired up in this comment section, ughh seriously
What Keith Thompson said was right on
No, getting a tattoo does not make you a degenerate sinner, but don't try and emulate what the world finds fun and attractive either
Then don't ever let anybody you love get their ears pierces or wear earrings, wear makeup, cut or color their hair, buy the latest nice pair of shoes or vehicle, or refrigerator, or phone. If you are going to avoid enjoying anything that people of the world enjoy then DO IT, go all out, don't pick and choose like a hypocrite!
Doing something that isn’t a sin that the world also does doesn’t mean you are emulating the world. That’s not fair. If it’s not a sin then I’m not emulating the world I’m enjoying life in a way that is okay biblically. Which is tattooing my skin to represent my faith and who I am. Just like dressing or getting a poster for my favorite movie. The world also does stuff like that does that mean I’m emulating the world ? I can’t even 🤦♂️
I think a good bit of these points could have been summarized by the Jimmy Buffet lyric... that a tattoo is a “permanent reminder of a temporary feeling”. Which, frankly, has been the biggest reason I haven’t ever gotten one (and probably won’t ever get one) - though have always wanted one/liked them and agree that they’re not intrinsically sinful (with obvious exceptions).
My personal preference regardless of any religious consideration has always been against tattoos. I have always found them to be largely dumb and pointless to me personally.
I seriously doubt I will ever get one.
Very well considered and stated. To me, the folly of tattoos is the externalization of something that blue has value if it is internal. Being something has value. Showing it through actions has value. Drawing it in your arm has no value, and - to me- makes it more likely that in fact the message the tattoo represents is in fact untrue, a desperate effort to affect reality by manipulating appearance. But that is why I don’t like them. And others are free to disagree.
Agreed 100% ! Thanks =)
Pastor John hits the nail on the head at 3:48. One of the BIGGEST turn offs for me is a women with Tattoos. Not because I think they are inherently sinful, but it shows a lack of regard of how you value your body that was made in the image of God. I generally think along the same line for men as well (minus the initial attraction).
To me it tells me that person has an ear to the world and is more interested in the things of this world than spiritual life. No desire to be sanctified. A dangerous mode of the heart.
Imagine believing your opinion of what’s attractive matters to anybody. Don’t like someone with tattoos? Don’t date them. They will be just fine without you.
Thanks for the advice Pastor John. Im stuck in a dilemma. I really want a tattoo on my forearm, a tattoo of roses with a cross within the cross a verse. Of course, i go back and forth between my decision. In the name of god and to the respect of the holy spirit at time i steer away from getting it but at times i really to. I’ve thought about this art work for 2 years now. But even then, im still undecided, i don’t want to disappoint and get punished for getting a tattoo but on the other side to that. this tattoo is very meaningful. (Note i don’t have any tattoos and i believe many tattoos are foolish but this one. Like i said, is meaningful)
Oh yeah? Well what does it mean?
Watch the video on tattoos by the channel The Beat (Allen Par). He breaks this down very well and has no bias in explaining why believers should or should not get tattooed and is also biblically sound in his teaching. It helped me see that my decision to get tattoos was the right one for me.
I'm having this dilemma now, may I ask how you've been?
I would really love to see what John piper thinks about my tattoo because his sermon on “sacred schizophrenia” and his desiring god collaboration with Shane and Shane is basically the entire inspiration. I have a feeling he might like it but then again maybe not. Still a huge fan either way!
If someone gets a tattoo of something silly or insignificant I agree and understand what John is saying. But if someone is getting a tattoo of something sentimental and significant to them, then I say go for it. If you’re getting a tattoo to look cool then don’t get one.
Can I ask you a genuine question that I have wondered about? Why would God want us to tattoo toxic poisons on our body? Did you also know as soon as you get the tattoo your body fights to remove it? This is why they fade.
I've never wanted one. No way am I going to let someone stick those needles in me.
Agreed brother.
I agree with all these ppints!!
help us to honor you Lord with our bodies
Hahaha I love Piper so much!!!
So true.
John Piper No.1 gym lad
Matthew Owen do you think he listened to other pastors sermons like some listen to his at the gym? 🤣💪
#5 is strange:
You might want to strike a different note in 25 years, but right now, this is the one I want -
and in 25 years, the one I picked today will still be a part of me. Why not keep it, as memory, if nothing else?
Ps my boyfriend loves tattoos . Sometimes I want them just because he likes them. But I also don’t want to look strange in a few years
What about scars? I still have mine from when I was four years old and I burned my hand in a stove. I see them as a part of my history. Tattoos could work the same way for some.
Wronngggggggg. Love you Piper 😉
I’ve been wanting to cover my thighs with tattoos to hide imperfections 🤦♀️🤷♀️lol well shucks . God I think knows I would’ve been dressing all skeezy so he let me have cellulite to help keep me from showing too much . Not going to lie lol I would be wearing daisy dukes if I had nice legs . I’m working on liking myself the way I am and being ok with dressing modest lol. Another plus side to having a crappy body appearance? Less sunlight lol. I have nice skin because I rarely show anything lolol truth!💯🤷♀️🙏
4:20 Roasting people with tattoos 😂
Amen
Me while eating listening this one:
🤯 Okay Josiah I'm no adding tatoo 😬
Christians should not follow the trends of the world, but the Kingdom of God
Run to Jesus. Pray to Jesus. God looks at you with great love and think about that.
Jesus has a tattoo. Read revelations.
Where are the references for these statements? Like about excessive preoccupation with looks, etc.
Every word. I agree with every word.
*But do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit?*
Tattoos don't sully your body if they are tasteful.
@@kristinakane7968 And what is tasteful to the Holy Spirit?
@@Danutz214
God's creation is beautiful, there are a myriad of animals, flowers, colors that God gave us to enjoy. In addition, God designed the human mind to enable both deep philosophical thought and creativity. Using these tools, people can wear images of God's creation, Bible verses, and other quotes - while maintaining a body that still glorifies the Holy Spirit.
@@kristinakane7968 bingo
This is one thing I just don't agree with John Piper on. The video is partly opinion and partly something thoughtful to consider (honestly the missions point is very true, good forethought).
A lot of what people take issue with concerning tattoos is that they're "trendy" and mark a fake Jesus fan. John here says the marks of a Christian should be that they walk in love. Certainly there's truth to those statements. I know several people with Philippians 4:13 or some similar motivational verse tattooed on them while they are living in fornication and drug addiction.
But logically speaking, having tattoos and walking in love are not mutually exclusive. I am biased, since I work in motorcycle ministry, but the potential for tattoos to advance the gospel is plentiful there. Several people I know have artistic depictions of their testimonies displayed, which leads to a whole host of conversations with lost bikers. John warns that this may make evangelism too easy, and I see his point. People easily become complacent if they feel they're doing something that points to Christ, even something tiny. But again, tattoos and on-fire-evangelism aren't mutually exclusive. I think the issue is more education-related than tattoo-related. The same principle here applies to a cross necklace even. If the person reduces their faith to an accessory of any kind, I don't think a tattoo is the problem.
The rest seemed more like opinion. You should be very careful to choose your tattoo since they're permanent, but it's not as scary as John makes it out to be. Just don't go to a cheap artist and you should be okay as long as you understand that it is permanent. I don't have any tattoos, but I personally find them attractive if done in moderation.
I think that having a style isn't terrible. Everyone has some level of preoccupation with their own looks, you gotta just remember to set yourself aside and keep your looks from becoming an idol. I don't find any indication of tattoos crossing that line. It seems better to me than using daily makeup. That's just me, though.
Still love John Piper, thank you for the thought-provoking message!
This is an area in which we have freedom in Christ to make our own decisions. While I appreciate and respect his opinions, we need to avoid legalism in areas like this. He is free to abstain. I am free to partake. We can respect each other’s differences. And I really did not appreciate his comments targeted to women. Women should NOT be specifically targeted for a teaching like this.
When I was younger and a newer Christian, I thought about getting a tattoo but I never did. Now older and more familiar with principles of God's Word, I really don't see from a Biblical standpoint how this practice fits with a Christian's Kingdom life focus:
What about the waste of money on yourself? We all have way too many things we need to stop using the Lord's money for. This seems like another misuse of His resources. How does this truly advance His Kingdom? Or how about it having the appearance of evil possibly ? Or what about the tattoo places themselves? Should Christians be hanging out where people's bodies are being indecently exposed while getting a tattoo on the inner thigh or a piercing on the nipple, say? Not all places have private rooms. If the world highly values this self expression, why are we Christians embracing it as well. Much skin, especially on women, can be indecently exposed to show off the "artwork". Somehow this all doesn't seem to be walking in the light but in darkness rather. God calls us to come out and be separate. Just some of my prayerful thoughts.
I appreciate that his opinion lol it isn't as biblical as the former video but God bless John Piper
Full biblical sleeve. A lot more to come 👍🏻
Another reason is if the person putting the tattoo on you makes a mistake, which would be permanent, unless you invest the money, and willing to deal with the pain
Should be considered a conscience issue in line with Romans 14.
If it's sin to you, then don't partake. But we shouldn't have to divide or quarrel over this non-essential matter.
Video should end @0:30
Once a friend told me "how vain can you be to pay high amounts of money and endure pain for hours just to have a tattoo?"
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks tattoo's are ugly. I've always thought so. They look like a "disease" on the skin and I cringe when I see them.
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment
Wow, thank God you're not God.
GOD says your body is a temple...so would you spray paint the Sistine chapel???
@inkedministry
Excellent. I would’ve liked him to add a seventh reason stating how, by design, tattoos draw attention to your body and can give a person an “innocent” reason to approach you (Especially male approaching female) and get close to your body to discuss your body.... It’s a crack or an open window in a house that should be only open to your spouse. Your secret garden if you will....You are poking the bear by making your body (Which according to the Bible is not even yours but belongs to your spouse and vice versa) a billboard for discussion and attention. There are enough controllable and UNcontroable hardships involving sexuality, modesty, reverence, attention seeking, adultery, etc...that the world and the devil does not need any help from you or something you have full control over.
1:25 let every man judge and hold fast to what is good. Wow. Such humidity
Humidity??? Lol
@@madambutterfly7513 I guess they mean his words are HOT!!
- Not intrinsically sinful, but six reasons against getting tattoos for Christians.
- Adornments (like tattoos) should not overly focus on external appearance.
- Tattoos are permanent, difficult and expensive to remove.
- Your tastes, appearance, and cultural trends change over time, making tattoos less relevant.
- Tattoos may not enhance attractiveness and can be limiting in a changing world.
- Better to brand oneself through loving actions than tattoos; tattoos can limit missional outreach.
Why should I put a sticker on a Ferrari?
Doesn't Leviticus 19 v 28 serve as spiritual discretion / warning for us to not have tattoos?
Zweli Mbona old law for Israelites
It says you shall not make a tattoos or marks for the dead on your body. It has spiritual significance in a few ways:
- God is the God of the living, those who are in Christ are alive forever.
- our bodies are God's holy temple, so we should treat it with reverence and respect
- the Mark of the Beast is a tattoo of some kind. We are to keep ourselves "unspotted" from the world. The only mark we need is the one God made on our spirit.
Of course we are not under the Law except in the few points mentioned in Acts; But it is important to consider getting a tattoo as a very serious decision.
I've always thought tattoos were interesting, and I thought it would be cool to get one, I never found something I was comfortable having on my body for the rest of my life. I think there is lots of art out there that's astonishing in its level of detail.
I also think points raised about the connection to rituals before battle to channel demons, as well as the message of the tattoo industry, are sobering thoughts.
I love and respect Pastor John, but I think for this topic he should have kept things Scriptural, because there are some very solid truths to apply here.
I hve a large tattoo in my hand and i hve done it since my very childhoods days. I didn't do it in against with The Lord Jesus, we always say Jesus is the merciful Lord so i hve always hope that God will forgive me to enter his kingdom.
Of course God will forgive you, Jesus is faithful!
Having a tattoo doesn't send you to hell in the same way having an earring won't! Please be assured that tattoos are ok if they glorify Jesus in the same way wearing 2 pieces of mixed fabric is. The mosaic law doesn't apply today.
I was tattooed in my late teens, and through my adulthood. Now my arms and hands are inked. I got saved aged 45. Did GOD turn me away because I had ink? No he did not. He opened His arms to me and gave me forgiveness for my sins.
Do I care what other people think of my tattoos? Nope, never have, never will. I am who I am on the inside, not the outside.
Limited colours??? Nonesense, all colours our eyes can see are available in tattooing pigments, study a subject before denying it.
Are my tattoos evil? No they are artistic images that mean something to me.
Do my tattoos give glory to my Lord and Saviour? No, at the time I had them done I was not saved, but now I am saved, I am going to have a final tattoo done that does honour and give glory to GOD, that will also tell everyone that sees it, that I live for Yeshua, my Lord and Saviour Christ Jesus.
Nobody on this Earth has the right to dictate to anyone, what is right or wrong when it comes to tattoos. They are a personal issue. The only comment in the Bible that refers to them is part of the Levitical law. The Levitical law has no relevence to me or my life. I live under no such law. I live in Christ Jesus. He died for me, so I live for Him. As such, I accept people for who they are, not what they look like, not what they might have done in the past, but who they are at heart, right now. Nobody has the right to judge anyone.
Mark 12:30-31 King James Bible 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Kenny Nicholson I agree with you because I am heavilly tattooed from 19yr to I was 35....then God found me,does he judge me for my ignorance or my past broken life......? NO ONLY LEGALISTIC SELF RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE DO THEY DONT JUST HAVE A LOG IN THEIR EYE THEY HAVE AN OAK TREE😂
God will never judge you for who you are on the outside. Love is love. A parent will not neglect a child because he has a tattoo. With that being said, it is without a doubt that your body is a body of Christ, it is a temple of holiness, whether it is for sexual immorality or a tattoo.
The biggest point I have is this. Paul said that if your actions bring doubt or hinder the faith of someone who is weak willed in christ, it is ultimately a sin. As soon as you accept christ into your heart, you have obligation of representing Christ to all unbelievers. If your tattoos bring doubt into a believer's heart, and is therefore, not benificial for the glory of God, then it is not right in the eyes of God.
Kenny Nicholson .... hey Kenny, Pastor John was giving an opinion of a question asked. He said very clearly that scripture doesnt warrant calling tattoos sin. So, how about we allow Pastor Piper the freedom to disagree with you that tattoos are probably unwise?? Notice how many people on this thread agree with Pastor John?? You are free in Christ, not condemned.
Janos Skorzeny ... please listen to this video in its entirety before responding. No where in this video did Pastor John say that God condemns people for tattoos.
God will judge. He is the ultimate judge. He looks at the heart, unlike man who looks at outward appearances. It doesn’t seem like you have a repentant heart before God. God forgives sin when we repent in the name of Jesus Christ.
Imagine getting a Rain bow tatto because thats Gods prommise to never destroy this world with watter and in this times you would actually look like a homosexual supporter...
He's mixing in his own aesthetic taste with what's right for people in general which is hardly helpful. I don't think tattoos are generally a good idea but if they didn't look good people wouldn't get them. Saying they're ugly gives people an excuse to say he just doesn't understand, because apparently he doesn't.
What about cover ups of past stupid tatoos?
Tattoos can be beautiful but too many people run fast to get one which shows it's about being trendy
I am older. I have allergies and rub my eyes too much. I feel bad about my appearance. I went from looking like an above. average looking grandmother to old and ugly woman in a year. Now i think tatooed color outlining my eyes will cut down allergies and harsh makeup remover. I think its a good choice for me.
point taken, correct.
I'm glad somebody can see the beauty in them. I never could.
people that tattoo themselves are missing the whole point. its about vanity and self adornment and dissrespecting your body as a temple. people get tattoos to get attention. stupid!
I have multiple tattoos and love the Lord, this is opinionated and very heavily skipping lots of parts.
Just read Leviticus 19:28 and end there. It is not what God wants you to do.
reason number 1: If you want to simply display something on your skin just put a fine sticker on your skin
Ahh, are you saying that people's faiths might change over time?
I would take it as your opinion. I personally don't see tattoos as ugly, especially the ones Indian brides wear on their hands and feet.
The Indian tattoos, known as 'Mahendi' are not permanent, it's more like painting on your skin that will come off soon. I don't think you can classify them to be in the same category as the normal tattoos.
If a "Christian" tattoo is too easy as far as labelling oneself as a Christian...
And the works and how one lives is the best way to show that you are a Christian....
then why does having a tattoo matter? I don't have any tattoos but I don't see the correlation. What if you have a cross tattoo but also do many good works and show much fruits in your life? The same way your clothes don't show how righteous you are ?
do you have to remove that tattoo? or if you decide to get one does that have anything to do with your works or how you live ?
also you can't say tattoos are unattractive ...many people are attracted to tattoos lol
I don't know, this was more him than bible to me, like my wife has tattoos and she looks amazing to me lol 🤷🏾♂️
Yea this is more him than the bible. He has another his thou.. ' are tattoos biblical or something like that .
I agree. I should only be concerned with my own wife and shouldn't care nor should I be focusing on the skin of another woman...
I have 18 tattoos and got my first one 18 years ago and do not regret ANY of them, to say I am naive because I won't lije something in 20 more years is foolish on your part, every one is significant and i highly doubt i will regret having my child's artwork or names on me. For you to say tattoos are ugly is exactly like you said, YOUR Opinion and not a reason for me tattoo or not to tattoo.
This man is judging ithought it’s a sin...well I have no tattoos but this was beyond 😂
This seems to be purely about taste. By Piper's standards earrings would be lumped in, to some degree, with tattoos. He is also speaking from the point of view of someone who has never gotten one. He's entitled to his opinion, but it's not informed by personal experience. I have many tattoos and do not regret them. I am an artist and the idea of essentially having paintings on my body that I can enjoy every day has always appealed to me. It has never been about being showy as most are hidden, and I have done 75% of them myself. I have used the talents God gifted me with to do a lot of volunteer artwork and painting for my church and to create permanent artwork on my own body. I get compliments on my 1/2 sleeve, but so do people wearing a nice shirt or a new hairstyle. This is a generational difference of opinion. Early Christians did similar things with symbols like fish and crosses hidden in anchors to let others know who they represented. I have a biblical reference tattoo and it is an easy conversation segue for unbelievers, so that is an added benefit.
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When it comes to the subject of tattoos it seems to be an impasse and biased because when it is discussed by Believers and/or non-Believers it tends to be bombarded by opinions rather than wise counsel. As believers we know (or should know) that any matters of our lives should be filtered through the Word of God, and there is no way to achieve this without His Holy Spirit. Why? Because we are fallen beings in a fallen world and until our very souls leave these bodies of fleshy Temptations we will always be capable of doing evil, beyond our own imaginations, period. It's so easy to criticize, judge, and condemn the obvious "sin" that we can see with our naked eyes. We tend to forget that there is a root to our sinful nature, regardless of what it is, and that we all struggle or have struggled with SOMETHING. So before you look upon a woman (or a man) and say "They are tattooed and ugly, They're evil, they are sinful beyond saving, look at what they've done to themselves, how could they, or "I would never..." think about this: What if every single sin you have committed was tattooed on your physical being? Would YOU be "clean"? Would your skin be clear?? 1 Samuel 16:7 states "But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart." Several times in the Word it states that God looks at man's heart and soul NOT his physical being. Even though we are obligated to take care of this being in the best way we can Lord knows that there's only so much we can do due to our own sinful nature and the sin if this world. In this case, tattoos ARE some peoples testimonies! Many times there are people converted to Believers who got tattoos (some of them from head to toe) covered in them from when they were once living in sin and they now use it to witness about how God changed them, thus bringing glory to the sovereignty and the power of God. Then you have Believers who make the decision after they are converted to get tattoos for whatever reason. Including me, because yes I did decide to get tattoos after a while after I became a Believer and I have many due to my own personal choice. The reasoning behind ANY DECISION is what matters. No matter how much we try to justify, excuse, and look over anything we all have to answer to God for any and everything we have done. We tend to have "acceptable" sin in our lives without even realizing it, but we are too busy being caught up on what we can "see" rather than the reality which is: None of are worth saving, and if it wasn't for Jesus where would we all be?? THAT'S the true matter in all of our lives and the ultimate decision to accept Him or not, and we all have to make that decision.
I think with these type of issues (cigarette smoking, tattoos) it's also important to consider what kind of message you're trying to send and is that a Godly message. I suspect in most cases then that getting a tattoo as a professing Christian is sinful.
It is absolutely disgusting to hear a professing Christian and pastor, state his "opinion" (that he says using very concrete language) with such hate and judgement. There are several of Johns videos that I enjoy, but this is dripping in legalism. I am truly dumb founded. Using the words ugly, pitied, and sad for women (he doesn't dare talk about men in this way) with tattoos then going even farther to say "Women you have beautiful skin, Men like it...DON'T MESS IT UP" as if its not even our skin anymore...so now its a woman's job to cater to men's taste as if our sole purpose is to find a husband.
There are so many reasons people get tattoos, and most are not motivated by arrogance or a desire to find a mate. As an artist, I see mine as self expression and a form of art much like my paintings. They represent stages of my life, trials I've overcome, and stand as a reminder that Christ carried me through those hard times and will continue to carry me...which is why I have bible verses on me.
Diversity within the church is so important. Yes, obviously becoming a christian means a lot of things in your life will change and it does matter how you present yourself to the world (although people will always find a reason to be mad) but it does not mean you have to start wearing pastels and become a copy paste version of the stereotype of a "good christian". My darker style and even my tattoos help me reach a section of non-believers that would not even speak to someone like John Piper. God created each to be unique and gave us our interests, skills, and styles for a reason. The second we start hyper focusing on everyone's appearance and whether their external is our version of what a christian looks like, the sooner we lose the entire message of the gospel. Which further perpetuates legalism, and the belief that what you do and how you look is what determines your spot in heaven...not being saved by grace through faith.
1. Verses against tattoos have no modern context
2. I waited until I was 54 to finally get one
3. My tattoo is a symbol of who I am, who I want to be
4. I asked God about it before I got it: no objections
Tattoos on women turn me right off I wouldn’t ever date a woman with a Tattoo to me it’s disgusting
I just don’t get the issue with tattoos. And I’ve done so much research and watched every preachers opinion. Facts is ITS NOT A SIN! if you got to the right artist you can get a beautiful peace of work done on your skin. It’s beautiful art. You pain murals on church walls build statues of Jesus carve into the ceilings of chapels. But have such an issue with expressing your passions and faith on your skin. Just cause evil people used it doesn’t make it evil. A Christian can get a beautiful tattoo of the last supper on their back and it would be just as beautiful as the one painted on the walls of the chapel. A man after Gods own heart who wants to use his skin to express his faith is no less a man of God then a man who only wears suits and ties to express himself. If getting tattoos was a sin I wouldn’t have zero issues with not getting them just like I quit smoking ciggs and I quit drinking and getting drunk and I quit sleeping around cause it’s a sin. But tattoos simple are not a sin yet the body of Christ likes to make people feel bad for the desire to want tattoos they say their not shaming people but they make it seem like even though it’s not a sin you still shouldn’t do it. When THATS NOT BIBLICAL JOHN PIPER. It’s just not. Your first video was good I loved it. This video could make a women feel shameful for having a beautiful tattoo or make someone feel guilty. If it’s not a sin do me a favor and don’t waist your time potentially making people feeling shame for something that isn’t even against scripture.
Remember this. A PORTION OF THE BODY OF CHRIST IS AGAINST TATTOOS THE BIBLE ISN’T!
Reason #7 Satan loves self mutilation.
I got my first tattoo around the age of 14. It was a "christian" type of tattoo. I thought it was cool to get a tattoo and I would be safe if it was christian.
When I was 20 I got a tattoo on my finger because I thought it would impress people. One month later I got three tattoos. One on my hand one on my finger and one on my neck. I was very insecure and very proud of myself and I thought that who the hell cares what I do.
I am utterly disgusted by them, but God is gracious. I am now able to remove them.
Bottom line is I wish I had clear skin as I had before I got tattoo's. Now I have to face my scars/tattoo's everyday.
God created us in His image, why should we modify his creation in such an utter way?
Okay, one minute in and I get the sense that I'm supposed to dress like I'm on Little House on the Prairie.
*me, no interest in tattoos & distrustful of males*
"Men don't like tattooed skin"
... Sign me up! 🙋😆
i will never never never let my daughter get a tattoo.. Lord please give me an obedient daughter who fears you a lot. (if it's okay also a son) Amen.
caroline strotman you can't decide what your children do. Dont act like you have control over your child. I dont think you said this out of love, rather out of pride and selfishness. God creates us and is the one who makes decisions in our lives.
Parents have responsibilities to teach and supervise their young children. We teach and supervise our kids out of love not out of pride and selfishness. We urge them not to do stupid things because we love them.
The rules in our household will be very clear. We will be very 'conservative' and pretty 'strict' with our children. My unmarried young girls will not stay out late with guys..my boys will not flirt around and be disrespectful to women whom they have no intentions to marry. My girls will not wear revealing clothes that show their breasts and butts. They will not get tattoos because they are likely to be impulsive and foolish when they are young and regret their deeds. We will teach them with the Lord's rules, and We believe that it's our responsibilities as parents to teach and guide our children.
No. 4 all steeped in misogyny smh. “Men find women skin attractive to see and to touch.… Women you have beautiful skin, don’t mess it up.” Awful.
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Mysogyny?
I feel like you wanted to hear that because if you have ever listened to Piper for some time he's anything but, and it seems like you have a very liberal bent to your views
Awful
I wouldn’t call it misogyny, distasteful? Maybe, that doesn’t make him a misogynist... careful with your words.
Liking women's skin is misogyny? Now I've heard it all
I don't agree with the angle he took here, I would have said "women are beautiful the way God made you"
I love Pastor John's preachings, however I don't think he understands what a tatoo is or why people get tatoos. It's not always about looks, some tatoos are even hidden behind clothing...anyways he missed on this one
Do not cut your bodies for the dead, don't mark your bodies, I am the Lord. Leviticus 19:28.
Mosaic laws don't apply today.
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Incredibly primaly unattractive on women. A tattoo on a woman is thee surest sign of impurity(sex before marriage) when looking for a Christlike loving suitable helper.
Tattoo=fornication ??? Haha wow that's a stretch. Calm down
The issue with what he’s saying is that the tattoo I got ten years ago I still love it. And I think women with tattoos are way more attractive then women without. People who get tattoos are in it for the Long haul we’re not gonna wake up 20 years later and regret all of them lol it’s been 20 years and I still love my tattoos. Every tattoo represents where I was in that moment of time it’s a memory and it’s self expression of who I am. Like how I dress or the cologne I put on. Sense it’s not a sin I use it to express my self and represent my faith. This attack on tattoos to me is just unbiblical and opinion driven. You should make a video on 6 reasons why someone shouldnt where the color purple and one of the reasons should be cause you don’t like that color lol. Some people might say your suits are very Blain and tasteless no color or style but that would be mean so most people wouldn’t say that. So in the same sense to say a women looks burnt with tattoos is just mean lol or to say there ruining their beauty isn’t fact it’s opinion. Cultures for thousands of years have used tattoos and considered them a form of beauty. I could say that your ruining your witness by wearing those terrible looking shoes or wearing that brown suit. How will you reach the lost coming out a party wearing a brown suit and Walmart shoes lol. But that’s just my opinion and that’s mean so I wouldn’t say that. Plainly stated if it’s not a sin and it doesn’t effect the believers faith in Christ like you say then your opinion doesn’t matter. Infact you just projecting your beliefs on people not biblical truths.
But the Hero in the Revelation of Saint John on a white horse ( Jesus) has a name tattooed on his thigh
God doesn't want you to get them : Leviticus 19:28 that should be enough for the Christian!
As sadly as it has been apparent lately, Piper has strayed from Scripture and has simply put foward "man's" reasons for not getting a tattoo. Scripture however is very clear. Christians are not to be like the idolitors. We are not to be like the world. Tattoos have always been a part of idolatry and paganism. The present fascination with them is because we live in an utterly godless society. Leviticus 19:28 says "You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord."
I don't know what is so hard about this to understand? (this coming from someone who has a tattoo from my days as a rebel against the Lord)
This is why I have to be picky with John Piper. While the man is clearly a wonderful theologian and provides a lot for the faith and bringing others up in this, this specific response reeks of personal judgement, not wisdom. Although he does say it is his opinion and I can respectfully disagree, to say the opposite opinion is "unwise" and to make bolstering statements about the motivations of the other side is not conducive to respectfully sharing an opinion. Disappointed.
Victoria Morin read my comments to bowrain.
I read through your comments on bowrain, and I think I see where you are getting at. It can be easy for some who maybe haven't looked into the Old Testament to dismiss it as "irrelevant" because of Jesus, which clearly isn't true. Our same God today was the God who spoke to Moses and lead the Israelites. However, there are different types of law: the moral law, the civil/judicial law and the ceremonial law. God enstates each of these as He purposes in different ways. The Moral law is the law that Christians today are under, which constitutes both Old and New Testament. Civil/Judicial law is seen as the "culturally relevant" law, that even unbelievers in OT times would hold to. And Ceremonial Law is what God used in the Old Testament to separate Israel from other gentile nations. This is where the "ink your body" scripture in Leviticus comes in, along with dietary rules, circumsicion rules, and rules about time spans after birth for a family to go back to church (33 days for boys, 66 for girls, incase you were wondering). We are under the Moral Law as Christians today, not the Ceremonial. For example, if you look at Galatians 2:1-3; 5:1-11; 6:11-16; 1 Corinthians 7:17-20; Colossians 2:8-12; and Phillipians 3:1-3, you can see the circumsicision rules in the OT were done away with. This division of law was a concept also explained by Thomas Aquinas and Saint Augustine.
While I can see a point if you have a personal conviction about tattoos, and feel it is best for your worship of God not to have one, there is no moral law that constitutes this for others. This is a doctrine, like many others, that gets Christians caught in arguments away from what is truly important, the supreme power of God, the resurrection of Jesus for our sins, and taking the gospel to the world. This is where my problem stands with Piper's specific teaching here, and while I respect your conviction to hold to scripture, the greater story of Scripture as a whole doesn't hold for picking singular Leviticus verses as law for today. I hope this was clarifying, and pray that this brings you closer to God and His glory/
“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.” Colossians 2: 16-17
I also see your point, but the scriptures you mentioned in Galatians only mention circumcision. Now we know that circumcision of the flesh no longer profits, because we now have circumcision of the heart. So not even that law was done away with, its application just changed.
Regarding Colossians 2, i agree it does sound like all those are gone, but as we know Jesus said, not one yota or tittle will pass from the law. Those people lived in a pagan country and no one would have judged them for not doing all those things, so Paul was saying that no one should judge them in the things they now do according to the law. Again, i know it doesnt sound like that, but i would hate to create a contradiction in scripture with my limited understanding of greek and what Paul actually tried to say to them. I keep to what Jesus said and not what we think Paul meant. So all things in law are still valid, but its our application to those laws that may have changed.
We see this here.
“Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.”
I Corinthians 7:19 NKJV
The iota and tittle verse (Matthew 5:18) talks about Jesus' perfect fulfillment of the law, and does not retract my previous points. And the Galatians verses, along with Galatians 3:23-25 speak to more than just circumcision. They point to the very thing you are pointing to, Christ. It says specifically that "the law was our guardian until Christ came, tin order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian." Christ has broken that, because in Him, the Father and Holy Spirit, we have a deeper intimacy with God that was not available to the Israelites. This is a rejoicing truth! I pray this gives you freedom to see Jesus in a new way glorifying to God.
I can and will respectfully disagree with you on this statement, and continue to see you as a brother in Christ. I'm going to get off the internet now.
One of the worst ask pastor Johns out there....
But I enjoy it because it proves all men fallible.
You can't call your personal opinions wisdom.
Much of this was ignorant and subjective.
I do and have thought of reason #6 tho.
That was decent.
The rest were just cringe worthy.
I would advise taking this one down...
🤷🏽♂️... But oh well..
He never said it was wisdom he gave his opinion and LITERALLY said u can TAKE it or LEAVE IT geez
He said clearly that was HIS opinion. Not God's wisdom
He should not be giving his opinion on a podcast/youtube.
He should only be giving God's opinion.
I will say this; my wife has a lotus tattoo on her back, between her shoulder blades.. and as a Christian man; I think it is very very sexy. And I tell her time and time again as we crawl into "there's my lotus flower" I think it is very attractive, my wife's tattoos.
I always think that people who get tattoos have an empty soul or twisted mind.