When they are overstabbing and under raising on the flop I don't think we should check our entire range on AQ4. First of all you didn't check how overbet performs on the flop and if they act correctly to it. Might be that they are supposed to fold out some Ax on the flop already but no live player fold top pair to one bet, so over bet with value might even out perfom check. Also I think in our hands that struggle with aggression shouldn't check this flop but bet small to exploit the fact villain raises to little.
It's a kind of bait 'n switch to intro with AKss and flopping air OOP, and then spending the entire rest of the video using examples where you flop middle set.
I would love to see a video of how you deal with a dynamic board getting there. Like if the flush/straight draws gets there do you fold those sets/top pairs? Or maybe just an entire video on folding in spots. I think a lot of creators don't focus enough on good folds. Love the vids man!
I’m a losing 1/3 player and watching this really shows how MUCH I don’t know about poker. I like the clear explanation of why you’re doing what you’re doing.
@@wesch6354i agree with you. I hardly ever see where it makes sense to check raise in small cash games. It almost always makes more money to cbet/ check call
@@wesch6354 here is a good example: 1/3… folds on me on button. 69s $20. Two donkeys in the blinds call. Flop 987 rainbow. Check to me. C-bet $30. Both call. Turn 9. Checked to me. I size up to $160.. the initial caller folds and I get shoved on for $230 more by the BB. I think forever, get the clock called on me 🤣 finally call. River bricks out inconsequential. I lose IT ALL when he showed 10J.. I go home looking for a rope to hang myself 😜
@@wesch6354 like this? 69s on button.. raise $20. Both blinds call. 987 rainbow… check to me: c-bet $30. Both call. Turn 9. Check to me. Bet $160… 🤦♂️ Get shoved on for $240 more. Think forever, get the clock called on me… eventually call. River inconsequential 3. He had 10J and I go broke as a joke! 😜
What I enjoyed most about this video was the idea of examining the equilibrium strategy of the villain to each of our actions and using how far away we think they are from equilibrium as the basic determining factor for which line we take. E.G. the harder the equilibrium strategy is to play the more likely our opponents will make huge blunders in some way versus that line. Signed up immediately, looking forward to joining v2.0
Just stumbled onto your channel but I absolutely love the way you've been presenting your information. Makes it easy for a newer player like myself to digest what you're saying.
Newly discovered your channel, really digging your videos. I watch lots of different poker pro channels, but you just seem to explain things in a clearer, more digestible way.
This video started with him saying he's gonna tell people what to do if they miss the flop ina 3 bet oot out of position then proceeds to show examples of him hitting the nuts everyhand lmao
On the 99 example in the last part on a dynamic board you recommend check raising widely against a small stab, but lead out more against a passive player. How about against a player who plays correctly? I’m asking this because you showed that the solver recommended play is to check back a great many hands in 3 bet pots, so the person betting a lot might not be doing so because they’re passive but because they’re playing correctly.
The reason you should range bet is that if you start to develop a checking range it would be too strong and the way your opponent exploits you is by almost range checking also. If you compare the EV of both solutions, you will massivelly loose ev by checking range. It really deppends on where you play, nowadays 200nl online regs do understand that, in live games i agree it can work.
Recently found your channel, love the content, clearly explained and very unique thought processes. Had a quick question, what check-raise size would you recommend for 3-bet pots with draws when we're 100bb deep?
10:40 against shallower stacks that started with 100bb and now the SPR is 2, we use a geo2 size for 2/3 pot on the flop and play 66-66 line for stacks. On this J92ss board how are we playing AA-QQ, AJh, KQh etc on a flush closing turn or maybe Q/T turn that completed a straight or improved IP range a significant amount? Red over pairs start to feel awfully thin to shove for value. And if we check our entire range, I'm still lost on how to bluff catch vs IP bet.
Marc, I learned a lot and took lots of notes. Thanks for making this video! On the last part of the video... after flop check/check on a dry/static board, you say that hero bets small on the turn with thin value, and low-equity hands. What is the reasoning for betting small on this texture? I'm thinking that if we bet small they will call with similar hands (thin value and low-equity). Why is it good to put money in OOP with similar hands? My analysis is probably way off but I'd like to learn.
I would say if the board is kind Middle Mile Low rainbow you use all your suited Broadway's with backdoors as good draws right? And x raise them sometimes...
With the set of 9's, what are your thoughts on x/call on the flop, and if turn goes x, x, would it be best to then overbet the river? Assuming the river card isn't a scary one making the board wetter against us.
Looking also at your past video you basically always check range when OOP in srp and in 3bet pots. Am I right? And you basically always bet range when ip... This seems an oversimplification but I am using and loving it, not only vs recs but Always regs. Having your Greek.light would be a nice confirmation.
Great video Marc. Mind is blown by how often the in position player checks back in a three bet pot on the flop. But most player do not check at this high of a frequency so easy to exploit 💪👍
remember i showed two situations: one for when we cbet range, one for when we x range. our position is MOST live players make MORE mistakes when we x than when we bet.
@@hungryhorsepokerNot all boards are the same though. For example, in the J92 tt, villain is supposed to stab around 45% of the time. So the x range strat works best on those double broadway boards and Ahigh boards. Or do you still suggest checking range in every single board?
A lot of great tips, but Isn't this qssuming that they split their sizes and are imbalanced? I only use one seizing per board texture with the hands I am chasing to bet for example? Or is is this q mistake?😊
don’t miss the forest for the trees. these hands are used as bluffs in equilibrium when someone is range betting. don’t worry about playing equilibrium against someone who can’t even spell it.
and you need to balance, when he fold in flop you dont get paid off and it realy depends is he bluffing a lot or not. against tight player bet protect but against loose and bluff player better to slowplay strong hand to get his money
@hungryhorsepoker what about a video about playing in Multiway pots? That is something that happens all the time on low stakes and it os Impossible to study through solvers....
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I don't get why checking a set of QQs is not considered slowplay but "checking our entire range" and what does this even mean? On this board we check KK AK AA QQ and AQ or what? We play all of these hands same? Our entire range means we play every hand the same?
I really enjoy your vids and am not trying to be a pain but... That node locking methodology for hand #1 is pretty dubious. Your overall point is fine, but villain stab frequency needs to be compared to equilibrium stab frequency, not the counter exploit stab frequency. It's like node locking yourself to bluff everything on river, seeing that solver villain calls every bluff catcher, and then deciding you should bluff everything because real villains don't call every bluff catcher. Just because villain isn't calling every bluff catcher doesn't mean he's over folding. And just because villain stabs >14% in your AQ4 hand doesn't mean he's over stabbing.
i see your point, but there’s two points im making. 1) they overstab (would have to show vs equilibrium to prove this, to your point. i have in several videos before but didn’t show here) 2) they make MORE mistakes vs x than bet. this is the one i was trying to illuminate here. hear your point, and rest assured we’ve run 30+ node locked sims from preflop to river on all diff textures / configurations to figure this out 😇
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4:11 Why are we raising if we "know" they have marginal hands? More likely they will fold, especially since it'll cost them more chips since its a 3bet pot, no?
The alternative being to call and allow the villain to realize their equity at their price (which is being pointed out as being low) if villain wants to see the turn/River they should be paying YOUR price or just surrender their equity
Marc explains this well at 5:34 but I think it's important to keep in mind it's going to be very hard to get money in if we don't take the lead. Even though there aren't too many hands in this range that will call us, we still need to get money out of the hands that will with our set, and we can't rely on our opponent to do the work for us.
this applies for srp where we are super deep and want to pile in money. with a lower spr in 3bp we don’t need to take the huge sizes to get it in on turn/river
he need to pay 240in flop with openender and when hit he get paid 1:8 pot odds but he hit the straight 1:6pot odds. so you loose in the long run money beacause the end pot is more then 2000$. in my opinion wrong play.
@@hungryhorsepokerhe wants to know specifically what do you do with AKss on the 942r flop that u mentioned at the beginning 😆 He didn’t watch the video 😅
Really check back only to an aggressive player You gotta bet to protect your hand and also protect your bluffs Plus if they’re going for a flush or straight draw you build the pot so if they hit a flush and you hit a boat they’re going to get stacked
@@hungryhorsepokerit’s kind of true in the sense that once you do it one time and they see you showdown a strong hand, even the biggest of idiots will stop overstabbing against you in which case your value hands significantly lose Ev bc you’re missing that one street to build the pot plus allowing them to outdraw you every time u’re in that spot. I speak from experience that I have tried this strat and it works amazingly well the first time you use it but then people catch up and then it’s really bad lol. I suggest only to do it vs randoms and not vs the same people you play against. Or against massive whales that don’t know any better ofc
@@NoLongerGrillingyeah would not recommend this in a zoom pool against competent opponents. live poker - no one adjusts. and if they do, they make the WRONG adjustment
@@hungryhorsepoker with all due respect, you have no idea why people are frustrated that you never address the AKss situation you bring up in the first 30 seconds?!? How clueless are you? And how disrespectful to tell this commenter that "this channel is not for you"? Arent' you trying to educate just this type of person? So he doesn't know the difference between a set and trips -- why does that disqualify him from wanting to get better? ridiculous.
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still used the ol j92, but hopefully this one gives you guys a bunch of new valuable info. lemme know what you think!
I would like to see more live hand examples of streamed hands rather than J92 every video. The video was still very solid.
Pure nonsense talk. You make it as though flopping a set is easy lmaoooo
@@ok-kc9jj he literally walks you through what to do with every single possible hand you could have in the video
When they are overstabbing and under raising on the flop I don't think we should check our entire range on AQ4.
First of all you didn't check how overbet performs on the flop and if they act correctly to it. Might be that they are supposed to fold out some Ax on the flop already but no live player fold top pair to one bet, so over bet with value might even out perfom check. Also I think in our hands that struggle with aggression shouldn't check this flop but bet small to exploit the fact villain raises to little.
It's a kind of bait 'n switch to intro with AKss and flopping air OOP, and then spending the entire rest of the video using examples where you flop middle set.
I would love to see a video of how you deal with a dynamic board getting there. Like if the flush/straight draws gets there do you fold those sets/top pairs? Or maybe just an entire video on folding in spots. I think a lot of creators don't focus enough on good folds. Love the vids man!
thanks good idea
I’m a losing 1/3 player and watching this really shows how MUCH I don’t know about poker. I like the clear explanation of why you’re doing what you’re doing.
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@@wesch6354i agree with you. I hardly ever see where it makes sense to check raise in small cash games. It almost always makes more money to cbet/ check call
@@wesch6354 here is a good example:
1/3… folds on me on button. 69s $20.
Two donkeys in the blinds call.
Flop 987 rainbow. Check to me. C-bet $30. Both call. Turn 9. Checked to me.
I size up to $160.. the initial caller folds and I get shoved on for $230 more by the BB. I think forever, get the clock called on me 🤣 finally call. River bricks out inconsequential.
I lose IT ALL when he showed 10J..
I go home looking for a rope to hang myself 😜
@@wesch6354 like this?
69s on button.. raise $20. Both blinds call.
987 rainbow… check to me: c-bet $30. Both call.
Turn 9. Check to me. Bet $160… 🤦♂️
Get shoved on for $240 more. Think forever, get the clock called on me… eventually call. River inconsequential 3.
He had 10J and I go broke as a joke! 😜
What I enjoyed most about this video was the idea of examining the equilibrium strategy of the villain to each of our actions and using how far away we think they are from equilibrium as the basic determining factor for which line we take. E.G. the harder the equilibrium strategy is to play the more likely our opponents will make huge blunders in some way versus that line.
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Prolly my favorite video thus far. Killer strategy
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Just stumbled onto your channel but I absolutely love the way you've been presenting your information. Makes it easy for a newer player like myself to digest what you're saying.
awesome to hear thank u for the kind words 🥰
Newly discovered your channel, really digging your videos. I watch lots of different poker pro channels, but you just seem to explain things in a clearer, more digestible way.
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Glad to see u move on to helping even if it’s for gains. A huge step up from 2 years ago this time trying to talk us all into nfts!
This video started with him saying he's gonna tell people what to do if they miss the flop ina 3 bet oot out of position then proceeds to show examples of him hitting the nuts everyhand lmao
On the 99 example in the last part on a dynamic board you recommend check raising widely against a small stab, but lead out more against a passive player. How about against a player who plays correctly? I’m asking this because you showed that the solver recommended play is to check back a great many hands in 3 bet pots, so the person betting a lot might not be doing so because they’re passive but because they’re playing correctly.
The reason you should range bet is that if you start to develop a checking range it would be too strong and the way your opponent exploits you is by almost range checking also. If you compare the EV of both solutions, you will massivelly loose ev by checking range. It really deppends on where you play, nowadays 200nl online regs do understand that, in live games i agree it can work.
So, you never gave the framework for the AKss hand in the beginning? How come?
Recently found your channel, love the content, clearly explained and very unique thought processes.
Had a quick question, what check-raise size would you recommend for 3-bet pots with draws when we're 100bb deep?
I love how you put hands in buckets, love it 🎉🎉
LOL Still getting me with that thumbnail. Waiting for you to say “STOP OVERPAYING AK!!!” 😂 hello from Las Vegas
hello!
10:40 against shallower stacks that started with 100bb and now the SPR is 2, we use a geo2 size for 2/3 pot on the flop and play 66-66 line for stacks. On this J92ss board how are we playing AA-QQ, AJh, KQh etc on a flush closing turn or maybe Q/T turn that completed a straight or improved IP range a significant amount? Red over pairs start to feel awfully thin to shove for value. And if we check our entire range, I'm still lost on how to bluff catch vs IP bet.
Hi guys what is the difference between low equity and high equity draws? thx for the answer
Marc, I learned a lot and took lots of notes. Thanks for making this video! On the last part of the video... after flop check/check on a dry/static board, you say that hero bets small on the turn with thin value, and low-equity hands. What is the reasoning for betting small on this texture? I'm thinking that if we bet small they will call with similar hands (thin value and low-equity). Why is it good to put money in OOP with similar hands? My analysis is probably way off but I'd like to learn.
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I would say if the board is kind Middle Mile Low rainbow you use all your suited Broadway's with backdoors as good draws right? And x raise them sometimes...
This is, without exaggeration, one of the most useful poker videos I've watched(and I consume a large amount of poker content). Thank you.
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With the set of 9's, what are your thoughts on x/call on the flop, and if turn goes x, x, would it be best to then overbet the river? Assuming the river card isn't a scary one making the board wetter against us.
You never cbet OOP in 3bets pots even if the board is good for it like AK2, AQ5, AT4, KQ5 so 2 Broadway's ?
Depends if you're the PFA or not. OOP you do a shit load of checking. Perfect for check raising or delayed cbets
6:00 this is all great, but how are we balancing this with air?
Looking also at your past video you basically always check range when OOP in srp and in 3bet pots. Am I right? And you basically always bet range when ip... This seems an oversimplification but I am using and loving it, not only vs recs but Always regs. Having your Greek.light would be a nice confirmation.
yes, there are exceptions as always but it’s a decent starting point
How do u activate your cameras without being suspicious?
Great video Marc. Mind is blown by how often the in position player checks back in a three bet pot on the flop. But most player do not check at this high of a frequency so easy to exploit 💪👍
remember i showed two situations: one for when we cbet range, one for when we x range.
our position is MOST live players make MORE mistakes when we x than when we bet.
@@hungryhorsepokerNot all boards are the same though. For example, in the J92 tt, villain is supposed to stab around 45% of the time. So the x range strat works best on those double broadway boards and Ahigh boards.
Or do you still suggest checking range in every single board?
A lot of great tips, but Isn't this qssuming that they split their sizes and are imbalanced? I only use one seizing per board texture with the hands I am chasing to bet for example? Or is is this q mistake?😊
Silly question, raise the pocket 2,3,5 ONLY when you have a spade right?
don’t miss the forest for the trees. these hands are used as bluffs in equilibrium when someone is range betting. don’t worry about playing equilibrium against someone who can’t even spell it.
@@hungryhorsepoker ahahahahaha I love this, will keep it in my pocket.
and you need to balance, when he fold in flop you dont get paid off and it realy depends is he bluffing a lot or not. against tight player bet protect but against loose and bluff player better to slowplay strong hand to get his money
you certainly said a lot of words here!
@hungryhorsepoker what about a video about playing in Multiway pots? That is something that happens all the time on low stakes and it os Impossible to study through solvers....
there’s a video on this channel about playing in multi-way pots….
Do you run a discord or only for boot camp members? Maybe a training site other than the boot camp?
Answering my own question just listened to the final 30 seconds of the video for all the sauce.
depends on the players in the hand and stack size
no.
You got to play poker with the Serbian Olympic team lol
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Great vid!
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I don't get why checking a set of QQs is not considered slowplay but "checking our entire range" and what does this even mean? On this board we check KK AK AA QQ and AQ or what? We play all of these hands same? Our entire range means we play every hand the same?
yes his strategy is almost always check when out of position
What if you pick up showdown value on the turn?
watch our vid on “the best line in poker”
I really enjoy your vids and am not trying to be a pain but...
That node locking methodology for hand #1 is pretty dubious. Your overall point is fine, but villain stab frequency needs to be compared to equilibrium stab frequency, not the counter exploit stab frequency.
It's like node locking yourself to bluff everything on river, seeing that solver villain calls every bluff catcher, and then deciding you should bluff everything because real villains don't call every bluff catcher. Just because villain isn't calling every bluff catcher doesn't mean he's over folding. And just because villain stabs >14% in your AQ4 hand doesn't mean he's over stabbing.
i see your point, but there’s two points im making.
1) they overstab (would have to show vs equilibrium to prove this, to your point. i have in several videos before but didn’t show here)
2) they make MORE mistakes vs x than bet. this is the one i was trying to illuminate here.
hear your point, and rest assured we’ve run 30+ node locked sims from preflop to river on all diff textures / configurations to figure this out 😇
Hey Marc, we have played together before. You are solid when your playing some good volume. Dont overplay, show people how to be patient
if there's one thing i'm known for it's showing people how to be patient
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Hi Mr Horse!
I’m a low stakes 1/3 (sometimes 2/5 shottake) player and I want the sauce!!
However I was previously denied from your horsey horsey camp during the last round cuz I ain’t got enuf experience at 2/5 - 5/10. Is there a way to still get the sauce even though I’m a dogshit loser 1/3 player? 😘
(I’m half shit posting half serious. I do in fact want the sauce cuz I think I’m decent at 1/3 and wanna move up to 2/5 soon)
Anywho thanks for the videos!!!
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This is awesome content
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4:11 Why are we raising if we "know" they have marginal hands? More likely they will fold, especially since it'll cost them more chips since its a 3bet pot, no?
The alternative being to call and allow the villain to realize their equity at their price (which is being pointed out as being low) if villain wants to see the turn/River they should be paying YOUR price or just surrender their equity
Marc explains this well at 5:34 but I think it's important to keep in mind it's going to be very hard to get money in if we don't take the lead. Even though there aren't too many hands in this range that will call us, we still need to get money out of the hands that will with our set, and we can't rely on our opponent to do the work for us.
What happened to the 6-10x XR?
this applies for srp where we are super deep and want to pile in money. with a lower spr in 3bp we don’t need to take the huge sizes to get it in on turn/river
Choosing Serbian basketball players as villains, love to see it :D
Thanks for bringing it! #letsgo!!
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Just played some hands after watching this video and cleared two tables both within 6 hands
At this speed a brain that is so aligned with speech is a rare thing. Talent
but what about on j93?????
0:05 $185? Why? The previous raise was to $20, and there was one caller. Shouldn't this be more like $100-110?
yes i forgot in the bylaws of poker you must raise to $100-110. i’m sorry for forgetting this!
he need to pay 240in flop with openender and when hit he get paid 1:8 pot odds but he hit the straight 1:6pot odds. so you loose in the long run money beacause the end pot is more then 2000$. in my opinion wrong play.
First time ever watching you. Poker content on point. But I think a real Serbia Basketball fan would have spelled Micic correctly… just sayin…
flop a set with pocket 99 means bet more, got it
You have not addressed the question you've asked in the beginning of the video
which question are you referring to?
@@hungryhorsepokerhe wants to know specifically what do you do with AKss on the 942r flop that u mentioned at the beginning 😆
He didn’t watch the video 😅
@@NoLongerGrillingyeah that’s what i was thinking!
@@hungryhorsepoker wtf you talking about? you literally never address that actual situation.
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J92 is the best flop
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Really check back only to an aggressive player
You gotta bet to protect your hand and also protect your bluffs
Plus if they’re going for a flush or straight draw you build the pot so if they hit a flush and you hit a boat they’re going to get stacked
yeah if,,,how many times u hit your boat,,,,hahaha
Is that Cal Scruby in the top right lol
I swear I hate AK the most it’s too good to fold but it rarely hits
good vid but your head movement does my head in
Subscribed. Great content, but man you talk so fast. I have to rewatch the videos 2-3x, maybe that's your strategy.
You know they say I talk a little fast, but if you listen a little faster. I ain't got to slow down for you to catch up - 50 cent
The look down thing is killing me.
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Check your entire range in a 3 bet pot = ill make a huge mistake and hope my opponent makes a bigger one!
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@@hungryhorsepokerit’s kind of true in the sense that once you do it one time and they see you showdown a strong hand, even the biggest of idiots will stop overstabbing against you in which case your value hands significantly lose Ev bc you’re missing that one street to build the pot plus allowing them to outdraw you every time u’re in that spot.
I speak from experience that I have tried this strat and it works amazingly well the first time you use it but then people catch up and then it’s really bad lol. I suggest only to do it vs randoms and not vs the same people you play against. Or against massive whales that don’t know any better ofc
But it could be that I play in tougher than usual games (small zoom pool) which is why I found it to be a bad strat vs them 😅
@@NoLongerGrillingyeah would not recommend this in a zoom pool against competent opponents. live poker - no one adjusts. and if they do, they make the WRONG adjustment
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You barley cover the Ak example and the board visual shows a in position example. Your intro and thumb suggest out position ak
This guy is the real deal not only is he highly skilled but an excellent teacher as well
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When I grow up can i marry u Marc?
Dude! you are overanalyzing the hand. You're complicating the plot instead of simplifying the strategy.
Range checking on some boards can be quite a disaster if your opponents know what they're doing.
yeah, good thing big laremie in seat 8 on his fifth miller lite in your local 2/5 game really knows what he’s doing.
@@hungryhorsepoker Haha, good point.
@@hungryhorsepokerwhy is the go-to on a question like this “theyre drunk”
In both hands you hit trips ffs. Shoe a no pair hand where you miss the flip oop
with all due respect - i don’t think this channel is for you.
@@hungryhorsepoker with all due respect, you have no idea why people are frustrated that you never address the AKss situation you bring up in the first 30 seconds?!? How clueless are you? And how disrespectful to tell this commenter that "this channel is not for you"? Arent' you trying to educate just this type of person? So he doesn't know the difference between a set and trips -- why does that disqualify him from wanting to get better? ridiculous.