20 Years of First Round Failure | The Montreal Canadiens..
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- OK Guys, it's time to go back in history.. and take a look at the Montreal Canadiens suspicious drafting over the past 20 years.. From the Rejean Houle era to the Marc Bergevin era.. This video covers a dark time in Habs history.. With many botched first round draft picks!
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OMG Junkie what an amazingly painful documentary ! Well done buddy.
Very impressive video, Junkie!
Quality content as always.
Oh shit he’s doin mini documentaries now!
Most of you kids have an attention span that lasts about 2 minutes so this is a full documentary for most of you
@@chrisdaddy4637 I literally said mini documentary, how’s your reading comprehension
@@politicalbandwagon4989 I guess common sense isn’t too common hey 👋
@@chrisdaddy4637 Not for you apparently
@@politicalbandwagon4989 what a goof! Not only can you not read but you are too dumb to realize when you are being an idiot
Alternate universe: Habs draft Chris Kreider, who proceeds to injure Henrik Lundqvist in the playoffs. The Habs get to the Stanley Cup Finals but get fucked in multiple consecutive overtimes while Carey Price carries the team on his back, losing in 5 games, giving the Kings revenge for 93
Hahahah
i wouldve been ok with this to save careys knee ngl
Apparently Timmins wanted Kreider but there was so much fan/media pressure to draft Leblanc...
@@deagsbYeah, it would have been better for sure. Hope Carey is feeling better these days at least.
I believe one of the first things Gorton did when he took over in 2022 was to hire a professional development staff. They salvaged Caufield and then went to work on Slafkovsky, Guhle and Xhekaj. They worked on interim rebuild players like Harris, Strubble, Kovacevic and turned them into assets. It's working.
none of which they will re-sign.
marty saved caufield. his numbers skyrocketed the second they signed him.
@@b-zoneonroku2020they literally all signed.
I have yet to see
I remember when Higgins was playing, Pierre Houde (Legendary french announcer for RDS) said at least 10times a game ""ET HIGGINS FEND L'AIR"" (And Higgins fans on the shot). Everyone at school called him Higgins-fend-l'air.
I’m having a mandela effect right now. I remember it to be Guillaume Latendresse for some reason. And we said the same thing every game!
Higgins was a good player. He just had a nostrils problem…
And despite all this failure they still managed to win more playoff series than the Leafs.
Gotta love it
They ain't winning shit now that's for sure !!! LOL
By a LOT
That’s not saying much
Teams that the Leafs can look down on for their lack of playoff success:
1. Wild
***end of list***
"He was basically the "Jazz" of Montreal general managers."
I absolutely f*cking ROARED with laughter at this!!😂🤣
If I followed basketball I would probably have understood it
@@williammartin2349
You misunderstood the reference.
When he said "Jazz", he wasn't talking about the Utah Jazz of the NBA, he was referring to the character of Jazz played by DJ Jazzy Jeff on the TV show "The fresh Prince Of Bel Air." On almost every episode, Jazz gets thrown out of the house by Uncle Phil. When this happens, you see Jazz flying through the air out the door. Junkie was using this as a reference to how Bergevin was literally thrown out the door of the Habs organization.
Habs are on the right track now. Glad to see Rob Ramage playing a key role in development.
I agree, all the changes were definitely needed.
it's a little fast to say that ... Caufield i still dont know if he's a bust or not . He is good on the PP but thats IT .. the kid got no def skills nothing . Kaiden Guhle seems to be on IL 50% of the time and that also aint good from a young prospect so all i can see thats good if Slaf and its 1 season only!!!!! so lets wait and see if we will rise to be a regular playoff team or not .
@@guyleclerc7324 Reinbacher > Tinordi. Demidov > Kotkaniemi. Hage > Scherbak. Slafkovsky > Leblanc. Guhle > Juulsen.
Etc, etc, etc!
@En_Debribu There's no proof the Habs are drafting better. You just want that to be true
Great video! - the topic made me slightly depressed, but I loved the long format video. Hopefully more 20min videos to come…?
I actually have plans for a future documentary style video much like this one!
I'm glad you enjoyed.. Thanks for your support.
Cheers!
When Scherbak was with the Icecaps my little brother got to be a mascot for one of their games and skate out with the bys. Nikita and John Scott were two of the coolest dudes ever; took the time to talk to him, snapped some pictures, even talked a bit with my folks. Really wished it worked out for him.
I love that format Junki, thanks for making the video public 🍻
Carbo promised we’ll eventually know what truly happened with the Krosstétyn brothers, still waiting
Dude, the second you mentioned Scott Gomez, my eye started twitching.
the best thing about gomez in montreal is we got to use a compliance buyout on him.
@@doaftheloaf sad but true
Great video!! I feel your pain. Being a season ticket holder for the Atlanta Thrashers and then Florida Panthers during this time, I really know of the suffering.
Habs have over the last couple of drafts made some great moves for course correction for the near future.
The interesting UNO reverse card is that a lot of late picks are doing surprisingly well Jake Evans 7th round, Pezz 6th round Joshua Roy 5th, RHP, Cayden Primeau... ect. Even Gally is a 5th rounder
Yup , going back as far as Markov , Ryder etc .
Maybe a good idea for a sequel video ? 🫡
I honestly think the pressure of being a habs first rounder plays a part in it. The amount of hype is always nuts and im sure its too much for some kids
@@fergizzoHence why Kent and his team have worked so hard to draft guys with character and grit, it's the only way to avoid busts
does this mean guys like filip eriksson and yevgeny volokhin will be superstars?
@@HockeyJunkiealso Halak 9th round!
This was extremely depressing! I’ll definitely watch again when I need a good cry…. I love that you mentioned it haha I was typing this right before you said.
30K subs Bro!!! Grats, i remember when u had like 500! Doesnt seem that long ago! In a couple years we will see the bad picks we made these last few years, that some of us think are gonna pan out, and some of us know wont. Great video tho bro, we all appreciate the harrd work u put into this.
that video was awesome !!!! you always do such a great job Junkie !!! Question that was raised in the last couple of days should the HABS retire the 31 for price or hold on to it ?? I have an interesting solution to this ... instead of retiring a # why don't they just pass it on like they say ...passing the torch ...say of example Price giving the 31 to Fowler with his # on his back to enter the NHL ...give the next gen your # if they want
Thanks Paul buddy.
It's a very delicate situation talking about a Carey Price jersey retirement.. Due to the Habs having such a legendary past.
But that's a good suggestion.
Cheers man thanks for watching!
I feel like a lot of time was pit into this video. You're talking about what Habs peril have been, and the solutions.
Another excellent video, man.
Put
i watched the whole thing. Just when i thought i had washed all those picks outa me brain, you put'em back in there. well played.
Excellent video. My son will now believe me about those years and those draft errors.
Hell!I was at that game In Boston with 4 other friends.All night long Lucic was a pest.He planted Kovalev into the boards.Then he and Laraque faced off,but Laraque never dropped gloves(didn't know it at the time,but L had a very bad back and could not fight anymore),finally Komisarek dropped gloves and got destroyed and hurt his shoulder...To add insult to injury,the Habs lost 6-1 and while walking out of the Garden,a Bruins fan shouted to us:"Guys,your team played like les petites filles(little girls)!".Driving back to MTL was a quiet thing.
What an eye opener… how the hell did those shinaanigans go on soo long without an axe coming down
Molson is a moron who inherited wealth.
Bc win or lose they sell out
Kostitsyn wasn't the best choice, but he never was a bad player.......and for having friends who worked at.....I think it was "L'Opera" (The nightclub, not an actual opera house) during the 2000s I think that this player, possibly more than any other, could have benefited from better support and supervision from the team. People loved this young man and were more than happy to offer him just about anything... which isn’t necessarily ideal when a young guy is that popular and doesn’t really have a strong command of either of the two most common languages in the Montreal environment.....My point isn't to repeat stories that many of us have heard or witnessed......but his story is a good example of how certain players might have benefited from receiving more support and guidance.....I know that these guys are adults, and that you get to make your own decisions in life, but I get the feelings that most players are better looked after nowadays.
Your intro made me remember something that happened at least a decade ago, bear with me my memory will not be as fatefull as it happen. If I recall, Bob Gainey was the head coach of Montreal
But I do remember a trade made with Minnesota, mostly because of a part of the interview about the Wild Player:
''The GM (or coach I don't remember) came to me and said:
I have a bad and a good news, the good news is you're gonna play more minutes on the ice... the bad news is it'll be with the Canadians''
That, still today, is something I will always remember
😅
Funny, I play NHL 23, and in Be A Pro mode, my player, a defender was selected 2# overall by NJ Devils BUT was bypassed by thew 1# overall picker, the Montreal Canadiens (!) They did not like the interview while the other two Top 2 of 3 teams was interested and in the draft my player was over-looked.
Now when my player's team face the Canadiens, I always play and give 110% to beat them - so far, 6 seasons in and they have never defeated his team and been scored on as well in all those losses by him. BTW, there selected player as 1# (cant remember the name) was a RW forward who still after 6 seasons have not developed into a top 3 line forward
As a big habs fan , it makes me sick seeing all these bad mistakes . Ive been saying this for years , our drafting was horrible
we really screwed a lot of players by not developing them properly..Fucale, Lindgrim who is a starting goalie elsewhere...or made stupid trades like Sergachev, McDonough, then traded Roy for nothing because Trembley was a garbage coach...Galchenyuk main problem was he liked to party and only listened to his father not the coaches, KK played winger in his homeland and only played center on their world jr team so he was and is not a true center., CC was the start of 1st rounders that were made for Montreal, Mailloux was another great pick. sadly no real development happened b4 Hughes was brought in
Development was a major issue indeed. Thanks for watching as always, baybye! Hope you're having a good summer.
@@HockeyJunkie summer is so so... have dva (department of veterans affairs) bringing out a new wheelchair next friday 4 me to try..it had lift and tilt which should be amazing
Gonna sound crazy, but we didn’t need Sergachev at the time. We had the best goalie in the league, a very good but yes aging D-core, but we had no 1C, no talented Point per game player. Berg took a great gamble, an ambitious one believing Drouin would be the PPG player. Didn’t work out, but I respect him for trying, sucks that the risk and blow back hurt us more.
If #14 Mario "Bleuet Bionique / Bionic Blueberry" Tremblay is garbage what about his buddy #15 Réjean "Pinotte/Peanut's" Houle both guys can thanks their buddy #10 Guy "Le démon blond/Flower" Lafleur for their NHL Success in the late 1970's.
However i like a lot of Tremblay forward picture for a Stanley Cup Champions.
1rst line 40+ goals / yr scorers
2nd line 30+ goals / yr scorers
3rd line 20+ goals / yr scorers
4rd line 10+ goals / yr scorers
reserved under 10 goals / yrs
but to be honest with you ! no freaking team has ever reach that standards.
@@glaframb as a player Trembley was great as a coach totally useless and the president Ron Corey should have stopped the trade as Roy never expected to be traded as he was peeved they left him in the net and embarrassed him in Montreal
Andrei Kostytsin was one of my favourite player when he had heart ! He could have been a real threat to other teams ! 6'1 215lbs and for the habs big guy who was sick at moment !
In the good old days, when the Habs won the Cup every two years, prospects were prepared to do anything (and I mean anything) to be A Hab. The world changed, the Habs became just another team with an unfavorable Canadian tax regime, yet management thought they were still in the good old days. It amazes me how long it has taken ownership to hire management that actually has a system for developing young players.
No the Habs just hugged the best prospects pre nhl draft Era was the worst .. u think getting all the best French players wasn't a advantage lol back than quebec was more of a powerhouse .. today quebec hockey has fallen apart
There is a reason we have been irrelevant for 20 yrs.
There is also a reason we finally feel good about the future.
Like others have said... Not just drafting, but development.
this is a whole other level junkie. i guess were going to miss you when you get hired by some big network.
tahts a great ride. you made the last quarter centruy just fly by!
really looking forward to these longer lenghjt features; we should be expecting what, one every fortnight or so?
Thanks Phil, I'm happy to hear that you enjoyed!
This was a lot of fun to make, and yes.. There will be more documentary style videos in the future.
@@HockeyJunkie *swish* nothing but net ;)
I was so excited to see a 20 minute video! This will do me for an entire poop 😁 thank you sir!
"If you're still here at this point, I can't believe it." 😂
Well put together Junkie! We appreciate your time and effort for these little trips down memory lane. Still waiting for the NFLD NHL team to hit the league. The Newfoundland Moose!! Lots of jersey possibilities. 😏
Leblanc over Kreider hurts too. with Kreider ,Price would've never been hurt . thinking of it....
Gainey wasn't fired , he left the team after his daughter was lost at sea, and if we had him we coulda won a cup
Trevor Timmins was the head of scouting for the Habs the past 2 decades was the focal point of the debacles. The only 1st rounders of note that the Habs retained for a time was Price and Pacioretty. There were 2 notable defenseman they traded away, McDonagh and Sergachev. Heard Timmins wanted the Habs to pick Kreider, but Gainey....lol... Both Gainey and Gauthier were part of the GM team (along with Bobby Clarke) for Team Canada for 1998 Nagano Olympics.
Glad you showcased this. I will add this: The Habs is the ONLY canadian Team that NEVER recruted or traded or even tried (since Guy Lafleur) a Canadian goal scoring super star like Crosby, Messier, Yzerman, Lemieux, McDavid, etc (yea yea, I know about the lotery, but money can buy anything right? RIGHT??).
Instead, they always tried the EU/RUS lotery and they always failed. What p*sses me even most here are the medias always saying that "the team is in reconstruction" and taking the side of Habs decisions, etc.
That team is in reconstruction since Patrick Roy slammed the door - and they never recovered from that. No decent players knowing its value want to come to play in Mtl and I would agree with them.
Although I have a lot of respect for the Molson family, they need to do something to get that ship straight again and going, and that starts from the top. St-Louis is a good coach, but the real coach Mtl should have had is Patrick Roy - another missed opportuny to repair a huge mistake made 30 years ago, just because of the anglo-french war that still reigns in Mtl.
Does it show that I have a grudge with my team that I want to love but just can't ? Yes I do. That's why I cheer for all other Canadian teams and not the Habs. And don't get me started with Carey "choking" Price.
Great video ! +1
Love it! Great work, Junkie! Keep these long format videos coming!
excellent work, mr junkie!
Carey Price? Is not Patrick Roy. Patrick Roy was the greatest goalie in Habs history.
Dryden?
No Roy was not your legit just a idiot
Dryden Plante Durnan are all better goalies bruh
@@rockinrodlittle Dryden played on a team of all stars and hall of famers. Patrick WAS the all star and hall of famer. If he had a better team in front of him, he would have won more cups. He basically won the two he did get as a Hab by himself.
@@Dr.JHamilton that’s a good point .
Kostitsyn was so good, my favorite player for a lot of seasons.
I agree with this video. Not many were good picks, few bad ones, but few decent ones that should have flourished but never could with the Habs because management was atrocious. Like it is said in this video, for the longest time, the Habs couldnt develop a ham. KK should have become a top 6 while with the Habs. Galchenyuk should have been a 90pts a season scorer while with the Habs, and a few others that should have done better than they did, even while with the Habs. Only really good picks that couldnt fail were no matter what and that they didnt trade away were Gulhe, Caufield, and Price. Caufield and Guhle will thrive now that they have REAL management to back them up with a proper development team.
😂 you never fail me
MTL not drafting Claude Giroux is the error nobody can explain from the past 30 years. Since Timmins is probably the guy who saw him play the most out of every dam recruiting head staff.
The timmins era. A nightmare
5:06 is the only way to describe his stay in Montreal. Love It!
Best Habs content on RUclips, always!!
“Our little bundle of joy”🤣
Yeah they should have drafted Giroux, many other teams failed at doing so to......same thing with Patrice Bergeron
That 2007 draft was solid!
Definitely down for more long form videos like this!
You from Newfoundland? My first time seeing a video of yours and if so, I love to see a Newfoundlander making quality content like this! Not a habs fan but love to see stuff like this! Keep up the great work!
@@StammeringGecko I sure am . Thanks !
If the early 2000's draft picks weren't so disappointing, Price could have had a slightly better team and then, who knows how things work out later, during the 2010-2015 era.
Komasarik was built up by playing with Markov. Markov definitely made him look better
Good on him getting a pay day.
Wasnt there rumors Higgins was partying all the time?
Great video 🍻
I'm amused by how many of these Habs' first-round picks ended up on my local team Slovan Bratislava :)
higgins and komisarek got traded because of off ice antics. that rabbit hole is disturbing.
I paused at the 2003 draft to check it out. We could have drafted a star from # 1 to # 20!!! Every single dude picked ended up having a very good to great career in the NHL. But nooooo we had to pick the goofy looking bar hopping dude from Belarus.
Unbelievable.
I hate to agree with McGuire, but I've never understood why they picked Price over Kopitar.
the slafkosky draft class was one of the weakest in memory but because the habs had 1st bite at the apple it was hyped through the roof. he's a 3rd liner.
Piss off troll. How many 6'3" 235lb 3rd liners you know with 20g and 30a at 19yo? Riiiiiight. And coming from the biggest turd of a franchise in NHL history, that's rich. LMAO.
@@CashMacGregor Do third liners normally score 40 points in 50 games at age 19?
honourable mention to the habs legend Terry Ryan
we took the wrong hossa. could have had marian in 97, took jason ward instead.
Remembering how hopeful I was for some of these picks back in the day, it’s hard to trust the hype for our recent picks. I am not excited about Reinbacher. I’m hopeful for Guhle but who knows. I’m still bitter about the Sergachev trade.
Finally on the right track with the proper management these days ❤
That was really well done - stuff I did not know.
Great video man
The only two drafts that I truely despise are Noah Juulsen and Kotkaniemi. Sebastian Aho and Brady Tkatchuk were my choice from the get go. Sebastian Aho made Laine so good when they played for Finland . Putting Aho and Tkatchuk together was my dream. But Quinn Hughes was the choice over Tkatchuk in retrospective. But man, a hard hitter with a one of the best 2 way foward.. oufff that would've been spicy!
Great video Junkie!
Length and girth on point
Combination of a lot of things. Biggest issue is they were over hyped from the get go and obviously their off ice antics weren’t monitored closely enough.
How Trevor Timmins has worked in the NHL for as long as he has defies explanation.
So many Soviet players! Hainsey went on to win a cup..was an impact player! Price, McDonagh, Patches, PK all good stuff. Even Tinordi has a useful journeyman's career. Sergachev-top 4! Canadiens have always had a hard time developing players going back to Doug Wickenhauser, who was gaslit by the coaches, psyched out and deprived of a good development program. This was a notable time where the language and culture anxiety of the coaches and management ruined a highly projectable career path. There seems to be a pattern of Montreal having an issue with development, and with Canadian players.
Awesome video !
5:36 They spelled Kostitsyn's name wrong lol...
Went to high school with Louis Leblanc… he was a year older than me! Played football with him… damn strong! I had 80-100 pounds in him… but he was stronger! Also had high 90’s grades!
A 20 minutes Junkie Video? What a good day
They had a good team with Price, Subban, Gallagher , Pacioretty , Markov and Plekanek but some players hated Subban . And the second stage made great mistake with firing Serge Savard as a DG.
Draft them in the first round, trade them for middle-round picks or lesser players, and 20 years of mediocrity is the result.
Grew up in the seventies. Difficult to watch a collection of delicate players. They either don’t know how to win or simply want to be golfing by April.
20 mins of HockeyJunkie.............Let's go!
In an alternate universe, the habs keep Mcdonagh, Sergachev, and select Kreider instead of Leblanc giving Price a much stronger shot at the cup he deserved in his prime years. Great video junkie! But so painful.
Very good job I love watching this 20 years of misery 😅
Now that they drafted Demidov, how do you feel?:)
Still have ptsd everytime i hear mcdonagh. Oh… and that Drouin trade
Their last first overall pick had the worst point total in his first season than any offensive first draft overall since the 1990s. Even adjusting for a half season from injury. The bad times ain't done yet. I expect them to trade some of their best offense hoping for the Golden Goose soon. Caufield or Suzuki wouldn't surprise me as bonehead trades
Can you do a long form video about the 70s Canadiens?
I will always remember this joke by a Leafs fan while Komisarek was with them.....
What does Timmins, Ontario have in common with Mike Komisarek?
Both will be -25 by Christmas....
😊
I think that having more tools for our draft picks to develop properly is an obvious plus, but I don't buy the "we didn't develop him properly narrative" that some of these players have attached to them. Good players find a way, always, and they actually work on themselves. I dont wan't any excuses for Galchenyuk and Kotkaniemi taking advice and training from their fathers instead of the organisation because they have daddy issues lmao.
That's one the of the reasons why the current Habs administration is BIG on drafting for culture. It's not only because it's good for the locker room, but because players with good attitudes will actually listen and work hard. A lot of busts weren't reaches when they were drafted in those years and, now, arguably, Kent reached for players like Slaf and Reinbacher when they got drafted (according to most fans at the time). The difference is that they're kids with a good head on their shoulders, and that will lead to improvement.
Thanks to make me laugh when the Jewel hit the Goalcrasher.
Junkie the future is SO bright. I'm 56 I've seen two parades but after Roy left, I eventually became so disgusted by a management that was happy justbeing mediocre eventually I stopped watching. They had clowns as a management team running this club. Gordon & Huges are the first time in decades the Habs actually have a real good front/back office. They will bring us the cup! These young prospects with the right development is super exciting LETS GOOOOOO!!!!
t'es drole.
Heard they just signed patrick Laine things haven't changed
I know… however, we got him for harris
Chipchura, chosen because he'd make a great 3rd line center.
Yup, that's what you're looking for in the first round.
Ya. Lots of stinkers. If I could change only one, it’d be Giroux. Can you imagine that great talent and leadership wearing the best jersey in organized sports? 😓😓
Where are ya by?!?! They just got Laine!
ya, that'll fix everything.
I guess Filip Mèsar is a distant memory now..🤔
Love you vids bro ,however have to correct one thing Bob Gainey wasnt fired, he resigned feb 8 , 2010 and picked Gautier to replace himself . And it was because he just lost his daughter in boating accident . And with the Gomez trade was made because the only way Gionta and Camilarri would sign with habs was if they signed Gomez. So he did cause he wanted them. And he been the man Molson has turned to for all Gm recomendations for gms after his tenure . He s the reason Goton and Hughs got hired . Molson took his advice . But he was hand cuffed in the Gomez trade due to those 2 free agents would only sign if he got Gomez . He really dint want him. But the development in montreal was a hugh issue since the latter part of S.Savards era. Habs stopped moving with the times in that department cause Molson didnt want to spend in that department. Till 30 + years later it caught up to the habs . And finally after being tortured that many years of not wanting to spend , the bubble burst when Bergy got fired . And thank God Molson listened to Gainey on hiring Gorton , and Hughs . And finally Molson realized he could no longer cut corners if he ever wanted the habs to have success again. But great video. Alot of that scouting crew through those years gave a lot of bad advice on just how good a prospect was. So alot of mistakes due to no money being placed in advaning the scouting team. So alot of bad trades made even from the beginning of it with Serge Savard. But they paid the price for ownership not wanting to spend. But great video bro.
To the defense of Perezhogin he had a good career in the KHL and had good stats in the AHL and also was doing relatively well on the 3rd line in the NHL for a young player but Montreal did not want to commit to the relatively high salary a russian team offered him so he did what everyone would have done which is take the money.
Of all guys we picked in the 1st (aside Patch) Galchenyuk was great and the only reason he didn’t thrive the following year was because Patch took a year off, Radu was gone. Gotta support players like Chucky and we didn’t.
Chucky had a lunatic for a father and had poor taste in women
@@spiderjerusalem6887 Yes, he was not surrounded properly. Women-wise, Team-wise, family-wise. Problems ensued.
Correction: Scherbak was not playing in the OHL, he was playing in the WHL. Saskatoon Blades ;)
just want to vomit everything after seeing the vidéo....thanks for these great memories...
Was at the game where Komisarek gave Cammalleri a perfect one-timer while he was a Leaf. What a beauty!!! 🤣
You were also at the game when Pezz did his epic goal celebration.
Everytime DrewDekes goes to see a game, something crazy happens! hahaha ya gotta love it
Well if it isn't Mr. Dekes himself...
@@ianspottiswood2419Ian! Formerly of Habs Tonight?!
@@HockeyJunkieI’ve been fortunate a few times thus far! Imagine we went to a game together though?! Ooohoooohoooooo! 😁🔥
@@DrewDekes Haha i mean i did watch a few of the shows and comment at times but I never was on with you guys or anything. There were a few times where I tried to jump on and unfortunately wasn’t picked but hey, that’s how it goes. But yeah man, Habs Tonight was always fun to watch, I remember watching the 2022 draft show.