We actually planned a bit to do this, but we scrapped it when we had to delay recording until Saturday since making 2 new avatars and editing an intro bit would have likely hospitalized Berilio.
I've got you dude. Space Marines/Custodes --> Stormcast Imperial Guard--> Skaven or Cities CSM--> Slaves to darkness DG--> Ogres or Maggotkin WE‐‐> Blades of Khorne or Fyreslayers Eldar--> Lumineth or sylvaneth Dark Eldar--> Daughters of Khaine or Slaanesh Daemons--> khorne, slaanesh, nurgle, or Tzeentch. 1k son--> Kruelboyz, Bone Reapers, or Tzeentch. Knights (both)--> Sons of Behemet. Sisters--> Cities GSC--> skaven, Flesheater Courts, or cities. Admech--> KO. Orks-->Ironjaws or Gits (which one really depends on what orks you like) Harlequins--> Idoneth, Soulblight Tyranids--> any undead. Necrons--> OBR or Soulblight Votann--> KO, cities, or Stormcast.
As a Lumineth player, specifically one with alot of Vanari (they've forgotten to stock the cool bull mage for months and months and months ok, I'm trying), the Lumineth spearhead feels like a huge monkeys paw. It has everything you need to start the army, and you want several of everything in the box (except the Cathallar, which you can easily convert into one of your half a dozen identical foot heroes), but it's just so... *boring.* There's nothing special in it. Like. "I hate it. Buy four of them."
That's pretty much why I have no real interest in picking up that Spearhead, despite a general interest in the faction. Hopefully they'll do another SH with some cavalry and Stoneguard.
it's the chaos demon combat patrol of sigmar. you get something of great value but it's so one note (khorne combat control / boringness) even if it's kinda the best scenario in general use cases
@TheDarkChaplain It seems like GW is going to give every faction a new Spearhead, so in all likelihood, you'll get the kind of Spearhead you're after.(in theory)
Fuck yeah, AoS. Also, Spearhead sucks. Its supposed to be balanced, but if its balanced, why does my girlfriend beat my ass every game, regardless of what spearheads we use? Definitely not me. Its definitely because its unbalanced. Towards me.
Look, you either gotta tell your girlfriend to wear a shirt that doesn't show cleavage or you need to be stronger and not let yourself be distracted lol
Idk everyone seems to be loving Spearhead (my gaming community included) sure it's not perfectly balanced, but it's far far better than combat patrol or pretty much any small skirmish game GW does
I love the Seraphon box. While it's not as objectively good as, say, Ossiarch Bonereapers, it still provides a solid starting point that shows the strength of the faction. IE it shows people that "big dinosaur good" and that's all I want from it.
Its also easy to convert the unused parts of the Carnosaur into a Starpriest, or even an Oracle if you want to get really creative. There were several guides for the old starter to get extra mileage out of the parts that still have some application to the new one. Surprised that starter is still such an amazing deal after the refresh, since I did not expect them to keep the Carnosaur in it. Its still never worth buying them on their own after the refresh.
It's a pretty nice box, showcasing both a big monster and the revamped infantry. I kinda wish they found a way to put the Aggradons in, but with a faction that's so varied you can't have everything.
I genuinely drool over it every time I'm in my FLGS. I wish seemingly everyone around me didn't exclusively play 40K (not that it's stopped me from buying Sisters of Battle, but still).
If you stick the Starpriest on a base and use the Oldblood rather than the Scar Vet (IMO, the better pick of the 2 anyways) you have exactly 1000 points from a Spearhead. That's absurd value
I am a bit hyped for the nighthaunt box. Because i really dig their style. For the sylvaneth box its worth mentioning that (except one model) you have 2-3 different units you could build with each model set. This increases the rebuy value greatly for me.
Not sure if they mention it in the episode, but fair warning about the Nighthaunt box: Spirit Hosts are a *nightmare* to assemble. Legit held together by a nanometer of plastic and your own hope. Super cool army, though.
and each of those alt units are really strong. If you start with Bow Kurnoth and decide for your second set to get Scythe Kurnoth, you are up big, same with Treelord vs Treelord Ancient. Spite Revenants are probably the least attractive alternate build but you can easily just have 10 tree revs in your army. Sylvaneth is incredibly well served run, i think Brad's (fair) hatred of the awakened wyldwoods actually understates how good it is to be a sylvaneth player rn
Can confirm. Sylvaneth is the one I went with (and I tied for first by W/L ratio in a Spearhead tournament my local game store recently ran). The Kurnoth Hunters (archers if you build them according to the Spearhead's requirements, but they can instead be outfitted with greatswords or scythes), the Tree-Revenants (fodder but they have more than one way to return models, plus you can build them as Spite-Revenants), and even the mighty Treelord (regular, Ancient, Spirit of Durthu) all have multiple configurations. And they are BEAUTIFUL models even if I had some trouble putting a few of them together, notably the Branchwych because of how her little worm pet wraps around her body. The Treelord was probably the easiest of the models to build simply because his pieces were so huge.
@uwesca6263 nighthaunt are a cool army. The army also has a couple of cool things they didn't mention. They have an army wide, unmodifiable 4+ save because they're ethereal. In addition, all undead factions also have a 6+ ward save baked into their models. So you actually have a fairly durable horde.
For Soulblight Gravelords, the battleforce is still out there and has skeletons, blood knights, bats, wolves, and a vengorian lord. You don't quite have the spearhead but it gets you the amazing skeleton and blood knight models and lets you get a preferred alternative vargheists for something nicer.
I've just done this! So long as you want everything, it's cheaper to get the battleforce and pick up the other bits than it is to get the Spearhead and go the other way.
The problem with the battleforce is that it's another Sampler Platter box for an army that's going to encourage you to get into One Thing. Once you pick which section of the army you like, some of the models in the battleforce are guaranteed to go to waste. More doesn't _always_ mean better!
The disciples of Tzeentch box is a great deal for thousand sons players. The sorcerer on disk can have a quick head-swap and become an exalted on disc. Minimal effort there. You've then got a 10 pack each of cultists, Tzaangor, and some demon allies. Nice. Adds some much needed life to the range honestly.
AoS is always such a crazy thing to me because as a 40K fan all I feel like I ever see about it is Stormcast and the occasional cities of sigmar model but then "oh by the way there's like 20 other factions that never get ANY publicity, and they're all cool as hell."
They want Stormcast to be Space Marines but they just don't have the same appeal. Marines work because they're basically a blank slate that you can add your own flavor to. The chapters do so much heavy lifting for pushing model sales. Stormcast just doesn't have that flexibility.
@RedGalbot I think that GW forgot that a lot of the fun of WHFB was ordinary men stopping the forces of hell with faith, steel, and gunpowder. Nobody wanted marines in their fantasy setting. Thank God the other new AoS factions were cooler.
>"oh by the way there's like 20 other factions that never get ANY publicity and they're cool as hell" how does that surprise you as a 40k fan lol the only faction that gets publicity there is the Imperium and 80% of even that is just space marines.
They do get attention, you’re just not paying much mind to what’s going on in campaign books. Stormcast were the B plot of the final Dawnbringers book and mostly minor roles beyond that, mostly irrelevant to Broken Realms outside of stalling Belakor long enough for the Kharadron under command of Grombrindal to arrive and bomb the shit out of his army with the largest Kharadron fleet since Madralta. Hell, they’re not even the only ones getting novels- Neave Blacktalon has 3 books and a show while Drekki Flynt and Grombrindal (Kharadron and just generally Dwarfs respectively) will both have 2 in a few months, with Drekki Flynt’s books being regarded as some of the best AoS books. They’re legitimately just one faction’s out of several receiving attention outside of models.
I hope you're enjoying that time with your kitten :) Make sure you make the most of every day and every hour you have with them. No matter how many years a pet lives, it's never long enough...
@@OneNintendoPlayer yeah, because he's so tiny and we're still introducing him to the other cat its 'sitting on the bed and playing with him for 6 hours' a day for a couple of weeks untill the other cat decides he doesnt deserve to be eaten
I love that you guys are getting into AoS content! I used to watch a lot of your stuff when I was into 40k and still occasionally watched a video here and there since selling my 40k stuff and sticking to just AoS. I’m so excited to watch your new content for a game I still play haha
I would have said the best starter is "That ancient box of Dominion that your FLGS has had sitting on clearance on its shelves for ages, selling for less than the Ultimate Starter Set, despite the Ultimate Starter having less content than Dominion", but checking my FLGS it's no longer in stock. I assume this is because GW did a big buyback of all the old stuff, like they did with 9th edition codices, not because my FLGS managed to actually move that product.
Meanwhile, my FLGS still has three copies of the Eldritch Omens box from years ago, rotting on the top shelf at full price. (My FLGS, sadly, doesn't DO discounts on Warhammer product). Because even if they had chopped the price down to $130 or something, it would still not be a great deal.
I sold off my 40k to finance AoS stuff and ngl I couldn't be happier. The game balance is so much healthier, things are faster paced and more fun, and the community is so relaxed by comparison. Highly recommend starting aos.
@@NiallWade it's a shame because I love the world building in 40k so much Thankfully I'm only one Combat Patrol deep into my addiction so I can swerve to AoS if I need to. I'm currently thinking sea elves or dinosaurs
I’m from old school 40K, and I quit around 6th edition. Kept my eye on 40K, but never hooked me again. Got into AoS recently, and I’ll never look back. So much cooler and better in my opinion. No shade on current 40K players, just really pales in comparison.
This week's Shill% is: 55:30 for Patreon shoutout. I did not hear Merch or RUclips Pleasantries. Due to this being a quick change episode, I'll give it a pass; if and only if next week is as good as it was hyped. 12:40 nice edit, Berillio
To future readers:The stormcast section was incorrect on one part: Skaventide is likely to float around for 2-3 years as was dominion as yes there is demand just not as much as 40k launch boxes and skaven players usually already had skaven so look for that first even if it is 2 years down the line
Even if the Skaven end up being snatched up, the Stormcast half will likely stick around. Even if more and more of those models end up broken up into individual squads, rather than the "full package".
Yay! I was hoping that you guys would spill over into a little bit more AoS. Feels like there might be a lot of AoS curious players out there (myself included) and having heard positive reviews about Spearhead mode I'm wanting to dip my toes in. I jumped into the Stormbringer subscription which has landed me very close to owning several near-complete Spearhead armies.
Started a lizards riding dinosaur army with a copy of that spearhead box. Definitely getting at least 1 more box. Its pretty perfect as far as an intro goes imo. Solid units and everything can be built more than 1 way so even if you buy triples you can still use every model without even having tk convert or kitbash
Yndsatra is always a good value because she can be re-sold for people that kitbash or you can use her wings and start to kitbash yourself. Can never have too many of her!
@@themilo1567 GW would make a lot of money selling LOTS of different, specialized parts. You know, the way they sell the Citadel Skulls kit. But then again, that would also mean selling more of those, and not full kits people then have to cut up. Arguably, GW make more money forcing folks to buy tons of overpriced character models.
As a fan of both 40k n aos im love seeing a high quality comedic video of aos thats not just talking about rules and tournament results (thats most aos channels except honest wargamer some of the time 😅❤❤
Just a lil note on a few intro boxes you missed. The Daughters of khaine Xmas battle force box is still on shelves in shops and online along side cursed city for a boatload of soulblight gravelords
If you are comfortable with blue casting, the nurgle spearhead can let you make up to 15 blightkings with the extra bits, and you can make some extra nurglings too with some creativity.
Since you bring up the dawnbringer boxes, they’re designed for their respective faction’s army of renown. For those who don’t know, the AORs are alternate ways to play each faction that have unique rules but limits what models you can actually play. For example, the DOK is based around the normal elves, so you get a box of normal elves. During the dawnbringer event at the end of last edition, GW introduced the AORs and released a box for each one. They are not meant to be intro boxes, but boxes for people who already play the army and want to try the AOR but doesn’t have enough models to fit the restrictions
Please keep the AoS stuff coming. I still love 40k and all that, but my interest in it has kinda plateaued with the simplicity of it. Being able to use my Daemons to try AoS has really gotten me more interested in that game, and now I find myself more excited to learn and discuss the game in general.
Great episode guys! These ones are my favorites, they show off a lot of the models and for some reason I am obsessed with the economics of these games, even though I don't play. I hope the postponed episode is your "AOS Faction Guide" where you give a beginner's intro to each army, who they are, how they play, how expensive are they, etc. If it's not, that's an episode I'd love to see. Keep up the good work!
I have waited so long for this episode, you have NO IDEA! Seriously, I’ve been wanting to play Spearhead for AGES now, but I have NO mind for mechanics and had no idea which ones would be good to start with and which would make me want to quit before I began. Thank you guys so much for posting this episode, and thank you so much, Berellio, for putting it together; I know ‘twas meant to be essentially a last-minute filler episode, but I am SO grateful to have it! 🥰 Edit: Removed þe þorns so people might boþer to comment on _anyþing else_ I said.
Loving the AoS content. Was definitely expecting a tier list when I saw the title but this was still great, regardless of last minute throw together. Excited for the next AoS episode.
Thank you for this episode. As someone who is starting to dabble into AoS after everyone has been raving on Spearhead, you at least made some of my fears go away, since I got the Bonereapers, and STD spearheads, since both of those looked awesome to me. Now I know I have no regrets.
fyreslayers is truly the single most "wow this battletome has so many cool units locked away in the lore section" army in AoS. Everyone shits of fyreslayers for all looking the same except for the Droths, and GW has more weird creatures like the Droths people love... THAT THEY DON'T USE!
Boy howdy I can't wait to see how they rate my beloved Beasts of Chaos, whose Vanguard Box I bought last year not knowing that the faction was going to be squated in less than a year!
for khorne, spearhead+combat patrol+bloodthirster and you have not only over 2000pts (basically room for list adjusting) but a near perfect slice of the entire army you have THE "khorne army"
can't wait for you all to play all the spearheads then do a tier list aswell. don't play 40k but been with your podcast for about a year now. keep it up and it's amazing. would love more aos but that's since i play aos, will listen either way!
I just bought the Stormcast Spearhead Box as my first "big" Warhammer/Wargaming purchase and I'm super happy with it. I haven't gotten far with building yet but so far I love the models ^^
Sons of Behemat spearhead is really interesting due to how 2 of the 3 gargants can come back once, so your opponent really is fighting 5 total gargants, and their general ability/regiment abilities can be tailored towards what kind of army you're fighting. Low HP cannon fodder? Foe Chompers means you can kill one (Or sometimes two!), with stuff em in the bag for D3 healing every turn. They're not pretty models but they are very prime proxy targets. There's a lot of people who make cool looking gargant alternatives that aren't as expensive as the spearhead - you just need to make sure the base is the right size and that they're about the same height.
Absolutely good targets for proxies. The one I'd recommend is Max Mini, who have a trio of mini-Gargant sized giants for the price of the old Start Collecting boxes. And they look FANTASTIC. (And they're women, or at least woman-coded. Good for representation, and for pissing off really weird, misogynist nerds. Win win.) While the prospective Gargant enjoyer is there, they might as well spend slightly more money on one of the three Mega-Gargant sized giant models, too. Models which ALSO look fantastic. The whole range they have going for them keeps tempting me to start a Sons of Behemat army, a temptation I'm sorely pressed to resist.
I have to say, as a Gloomspite Gitz fan, I don't find the stabbaz and shootaz that bad. Yes, they're older, but that also means the sprues are really simple and that makes them really easy to build. Also despite their age, are actually pretty good looking for their size, I think you may be confused with the old Night Goblins that just got re-released for the Old World, but if you put them side to side you can definitely recognise which one is the younger versione. I'd say they're the best of both world. Then again, I may biased because I love the little fakerz: they're so smol and cute!
I agree. They are just "passable" though, as they do stick out a bit next to their better sculpted brethren. Kinda sad when the Squig Herder looks like a million bucks next to a stabba. However I also agree with Poorhammer that this is like the skaven situation. Change out the clan rats/stabbas for new sculpts and then this is a different story al together. Gits really need that update since so much else has already enjoyed since a huge overhaul.
@@Colorcrayons I have both the herder and the stabbas and I think they're fine. Maybe I just don't care about overly detailed minis. Also I generally love their aesthetic, so they're not just "passable" to me.
This is really interesting timing. Ive been voraciously consuming content about all the combat patrols (to include yalls "build better combat patrol" episodes). In the past 24 hours, while at work and working on a project. That project is building up every spearhead force. Thank you. I dont know what the point of this comment is. But thank you. Though I will say, I would love to see "building a better spearhead". Dont know if thatd be too derivative. I also dont know if thats something yall would want to do.
By the way, the Sons of Behemat Mancrusher Gargants never sold in doubles, they sold in triples, and the box was literally just repackaged to say "Spearhead: Sons of Behemat" instead of "Mancrusher Mob."
As a nighthaunt player, the vanguard box is really nice, in my opinion. It's got our main battleline units that you'd probably think about when you think about the army as a whole. I've bought 2 in my time with them and would possibly pick them up again
That cities spearhead pairs pretty well with the christmas battleforce. Puts you at 1490 points, double up the two infantry units and you've got room for a nice big monster or steam tank.
You guys are great! You have got new subscriber 😁. Listening to "discussion" format is much more interesting than to a single talking heads in other vlogs. Please please do more AoS. 🙏 There are big AoS community waiting for you there 😁.
Glad someone is covering this. Spearhead is a great game set, the boxes are a good value, and unlike 40k they didn't go around destroying these box sets (at least so far) but instead built Spearhead around the existing boxes. Good stuff! Quick edit: The FEC box's Arch Regeant is now Online Only (they haven't updated it yet but we can't buy them like we used to) so you can't pick this up at your LGS for a discount generally.
I'm glad you guys are expanding your interests to AoS. AoS has been more fun than 40k since mid 9th edition. I have 3 AoS/TOW armies and only 1 40k army.
Some advice from someone who bought the Sylvaneth box to use in Spearhead matches and loves it (I almost won a small local tournament with it, despite some strong competition), the Treelord or any of your other units being able to zip around the battlefield using Strike and Fade or Walkers of the Hidden Paths means both that your army-wide movement is really solid and that your units are hard to pin down and trap in melee combat if you always keep them within 3 inches of a terrain feature (not difficult to do on the Spearhead game boards with how small they are, while also staying close to objectives your opponent has little/no control over). The biggest issue I had was where one of my opponents knew to play "keep-away" from the Treelord, thus disproportionately hindering a lot of my melee output, though the Treelord also has a fairly decent ranged attack and some of my other opponents tended to forget that or not know to play around it, since its range isn't "Kurnoth Greatbows"-good but is still solid enough to stay outside of most charge rolls.
Well, I'd been thinking about dabbling in AoS after your big faction breakdown. Thanks for the input on the factions (even if my wallet will be begging for mercy). Also, talking to one of the employees at my LGS this weekend, he described Kroak as "Schrodinger's frog". I thought you might find that good for a laugh
When and if you do use AoS avatars; I advocate for Brad being an FeC model. The art and models are good, but also he's Management. Corrupted, Decaying, Notoriously Deluded. Also good video and thank you.
5:40 Correction: the Yndrasta Spearhead is exactly 1k points at time of writing. Vanquishors are 110 for 5 and the box comes with 10. Yndrasta is only 340 points. Without Yndrasta, if you already own her, the box is 660 points, which is still higher than a LOT of other armies
You will be shocked to hear that Fyreslayers had a battleforce box INCLUDING the Magmadroth (and a character, and infantry)... which of course was discontinued because the whole thing hardly cost more than the 'droth on its own. Just wait for KO getting the same treatment...
Great video as always. Love watching these especially considering the epic editing for someone who doesn't play and doesn't have the models themselves in mind. Hence I will point out that at 23:30 the race is wrong on the box. It's a nitpick but I want the videos to only improve and for everyone to enjoy the videos more :)
I want different avatars for AoS episodes!!!
We actually planned a bit to do this, but we scrapped it when we had to delay recording until Saturday since making 2 new avatars and editing an intro bit would have likely hospitalized Berilio.
@@thepoorhammerpodcastso next time? 😇
@@thepoorhammerpodcast What avatars do you two plan on using? 👀
I say just photoshop some AoS stuff on their current avatars since that's what GW did. For example, the gray knight get a stormcast banner.
@@thepoorhammerpodcast Was it gonna be Brad-Kroak Eric-Orruk?
“It’s only 570 points…it’s on the low end” for CoS, AdMech players are in fucking shambles looking at AoS discount boxes.
I’m happy for the AoS players who get good combo boxes but man does it sting looking at this from the 40K side.
Pancreas 💓💓💓
This is just another reason AoS is the better Warhammer. That's all I'm saying.
Episode Recommendation: Best AOS army to start with based on your 40K army
Anyways love your guy’s content. Give Brillio his meal and bathroom break
That actually sounds pretty cool as a video idea.
@@Bluecho4 I second this!
Please do this
I love this
I've got you dude.
Space Marines/Custodes --> Stormcast
Imperial Guard--> Skaven or Cities
CSM--> Slaves to darkness
DG--> Ogres or Maggotkin
WE‐‐> Blades of Khorne or Fyreslayers
Eldar--> Lumineth or sylvaneth
Dark Eldar--> Daughters of Khaine or Slaanesh
Daemons--> khorne, slaanesh, nurgle, or Tzeentch.
1k son--> Kruelboyz, Bone Reapers, or Tzeentch.
Knights (both)--> Sons of Behemet.
Sisters--> Cities
GSC--> skaven, Flesheater Courts, or cities.
Admech--> KO.
Orks-->Ironjaws or Gits (which one really depends on what orks you like)
Harlequins--> Idoneth, Soulblight
Tyranids--> any undead.
Necrons--> OBR or Soulblight
Votann--> KO, cities, or Stormcast.
As a Lumineth player, specifically one with alot of Vanari (they've forgotten to stock the cool bull mage for months and months and months ok, I'm trying), the Lumineth spearhead feels like a huge monkeys paw. It has everything you need to start the army, and you want several of everything in the box (except the Cathallar, which you can easily convert into one of your half a dozen identical foot heroes), but it's just so... *boring.* There's nothing special in it. Like. "I hate it. Buy four of them."
That's pretty much why I have no real interest in picking up that Spearhead, despite a general interest in the faction. Hopefully they'll do another SH with some cavalry and Stoneguard.
it's the chaos demon combat patrol of sigmar. you get something of great value but it's so one note (khorne combat control / boringness) even if it's kinda the best scenario in general use cases
@TheDarkChaplain It seems like GW is going to give every faction a new Spearhead, so in all likelihood, you'll get the kind of Spearhead you're after.(in theory)
Fuck yeah, AoS. Also, Spearhead sucks. Its supposed to be balanced, but if its balanced, why does my girlfriend beat my ass every game, regardless of what spearheads we use?
Definitely not me. Its definitely because its unbalanced. Towards me.
Eric approves of girlfriends beating boyfriends’ asses.
So really you’re just showing you’re a dedicated Poorhammer fan.
Look, you either gotta tell your girlfriend to wear a shirt that doesn't show cleavage or you need to be stronger and not let yourself be distracted lol
@@thefloatingcontinent9897 Because of his deeply canonical dommy mommy fetish? Is that what we're talking about?
@@theengine Sounds like a self-report my guy
Idk everyone seems to be loving Spearhead (my gaming community included) sure it's not perfectly balanced, but it's far far better than combat patrol or pretty much any small skirmish game GW does
"If you get into the Ogre community" is a very funny sentence
As a Skinny Puppy fan, I was 'I'm already there!'
Props to Berilio to try to hide the transparent bit of minis that are supposed to float: it looks great :)
the fucking zoom on the feet... 12:38 We know what you did Borellio
Hahaha yeah that cracked me up too
It's 12:39
@@slimboarder.o7 weird how no one noticed that unless they edited the video in the meantime...which is rather common but idk i fixed it thx
I love the Seraphon box. While it's not as objectively good as, say, Ossiarch Bonereapers, it still provides a solid starting point that shows the strength of the faction. IE it shows people that "big dinosaur good" and that's all I want from it.
Its also easy to convert the unused parts of the Carnosaur into a Starpriest, or even an Oracle if you want to get really creative. There were several guides for the old starter to get extra mileage out of the parts that still have some application to the new one. Surprised that starter is still such an amazing deal after the refresh, since I did not expect them to keep the Carnosaur in it. Its still never worth buying them on their own after the refresh.
It's a pretty nice box, showcasing both a big monster and the revamped infantry. I kinda wish they found a way to put the Aggradons in, but with a faction that's so varied you can't have everything.
I genuinely drool over it every time I'm in my FLGS. I wish seemingly everyone around me didn't exclusively play 40K (not that it's stopped me from buying Sisters of Battle, but still).
If you stick the Starpriest on a base and use the Oldblood rather than the Scar Vet (IMO, the better pick of the 2 anyways) you have exactly 1000 points from a Spearhead. That's absurd value
@@Korik333 Oldblood on Carnosaur is my preferred as well, but mostly because it looks super cool.
I am a bit hyped for the nighthaunt box. Because i really dig their style.
For the sylvaneth box its worth mentioning that (except one model) you have 2-3 different units you could build with each model set. This increases the rebuy value greatly for me.
Not sure if they mention it in the episode, but fair warning about the Nighthaunt box:
Spirit Hosts are a *nightmare* to assemble. Legit held together by a nanometer of plastic and your own hope. Super cool army, though.
and each of those alt units are really strong. If you start with Bow Kurnoth and decide for your second set to get Scythe Kurnoth, you are up big, same with Treelord vs Treelord Ancient. Spite Revenants are probably the least attractive alternate build but you can easily just have 10 tree revs in your army. Sylvaneth is incredibly well served run, i think Brad's (fair) hatred of the awakened wyldwoods actually understates how good it is to be a sylvaneth player rn
@@PikminBak i already heard horror storys about this kit xD
But thank you for your concern.
Can confirm. Sylvaneth is the one I went with (and I tied for first by W/L ratio in a Spearhead tournament my local game store recently ran). The Kurnoth Hunters (archers if you build them according to the Spearhead's requirements, but they can instead be outfitted with greatswords or scythes), the Tree-Revenants (fodder but they have more than one way to return models, plus you can build them as Spite-Revenants), and even the mighty Treelord (regular, Ancient, Spirit of Durthu) all have multiple configurations. And they are BEAUTIFUL models even if I had some trouble putting a few of them together, notably the Branchwych because of how her little worm pet wraps around her body. The Treelord was probably the easiest of the models to build simply because his pieces were so huge.
@uwesca6263 nighthaunt are a cool army. The army also has a couple of cool things they didn't mention. They have an army wide, unmodifiable 4+ save because they're ethereal. In addition, all undead factions also have a 6+ ward save baked into their models. So you actually have a fairly durable horde.
Fun fact magmadroths were in the fyreslayers start collecting which was less than the kit on its own
For Soulblight Gravelords, the battleforce is still out there and has skeletons, blood knights, bats, wolves, and a vengorian lord. You don't quite have the spearhead but it gets you the amazing skeleton and blood knight models and lets you get a preferred alternative vargheists for something nicer.
I've just done this! So long as you want everything, it's cheaper to get the battleforce and pick up the other bits than it is to get the Spearhead and go the other way.
The problem with the battleforce is that it's another Sampler Platter box for an army that's going to encourage you to get into One Thing. Once you pick which section of the army you like, some of the models in the battleforce are guaranteed to go to waste. More doesn't _always_ mean better!
The disciples of Tzeentch box is a great deal for thousand sons players. The sorcerer on disk can have a quick head-swap and become an exalted on disc. Minimal effort there. You've then got a 10 pack each of cultists, Tzaangor, and some demon allies. Nice. Adds some much needed life to the range honestly.
I just picked up the DoT Spearhead. I highly recommend it! You can also add the Tzaangors to your Thousand Sons Army as well!
AoS is always such a crazy thing to me because as a 40K fan all I feel like I ever see about it is Stormcast and the occasional cities of sigmar model but then "oh by the way there's like 20 other factions that never get ANY publicity, and they're all cool as hell."
They want Stormcast to be Space Marines but they just don't have the same appeal. Marines work because they're basically a blank slate that you can add your own flavor to. The chapters do so much heavy lifting for pushing model sales. Stormcast just doesn't have that flexibility.
@RedGalbot I think that GW forgot that a lot of the fun of WHFB was ordinary men stopping the forces of hell with faith, steel, and gunpowder. Nobody wanted marines in their fantasy setting. Thank God the other new AoS factions were cooler.
Stormcast are fucking awesome, its just a secret because too much character in a faction is not as important as “”accessibility””
>"oh by the way there's like 20 other factions that never get ANY publicity and they're cool as hell"
how does that surprise you as a 40k fan lol
the only faction that gets publicity there is the Imperium and 80% of even that is just space marines.
They do get attention, you’re just not paying much mind to what’s going on in campaign books. Stormcast were the B plot of the final Dawnbringers book and mostly minor roles beyond that, mostly irrelevant to Broken Realms outside of stalling Belakor long enough for the Kharadron under command of Grombrindal to arrive and bomb the shit out of his army with the largest Kharadron fleet since Madralta.
Hell, they’re not even the only ones getting novels- Neave Blacktalon has 3 books and a show while Drekki Flynt and Grombrindal (Kharadron and just generally Dwarfs respectively) will both have 2 in a few months, with Drekki Flynt’s books being regarded as some of the best AoS books. They’re legitimately just one faction’s out of several receiving attention outside of models.
loving listening to poorhammer while babysitting my kitten
Love listening to Poorhammer while babysitting my brother's dog
Love listening to poorhammer while babysitting my employees.
I hope you're enjoying that time with your kitten :)
Make sure you make the most of every day and every hour you have with them. No matter how many years a pet lives, it's never long enough...
Is it really babysitting if it's your own cat?
@@OneNintendoPlayer yeah, because he's so tiny and we're still introducing him to the other cat its 'sitting on the bed and playing with him for 6 hours' a day for a couple of weeks
untill the other cat decides he doesnt deserve to be eaten
POORHAMMER!!! GIVE ME MORE AOS CONTENT INSTEAD OF 40K SLOP, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS...
Zeus! Your son has returned! I BRING THE DESTRUCTION OF OLYMPUS!
@@jazzailsteinigen939my ass is called olympus 🥵🥵
40k is dope, find an AOS podcast if you want dedicated AOS
@@captaincorundum9788There are a million and one other 40k channels. It’s much more interesting to have new AoS content.
...bumpity bump?
I love that you guys are getting into AoS content! I used to watch a lot of your stuff when I was into 40k and still occasionally watched a video here and there since selling my 40k stuff and sticking to just AoS. I’m so excited to watch your new content for a game I still play haha
I would have said the best starter is "That ancient box of Dominion that your FLGS has had sitting on clearance on its shelves for ages, selling for less than the Ultimate Starter Set, despite the Ultimate Starter having less content than Dominion", but checking my FLGS it's no longer in stock. I assume this is because GW did a big buyback of all the old stuff, like they did with 9th edition codices, not because my FLGS managed to actually move that product.
Now that you mention it, my LGS had 3-4 Dominion boxes for ages that all vanished over the weekend Skaventide launched
Meanwhile, my FLGS still has three copies of the Eldritch Omens box from years ago, rotting on the top shelf at full price. (My FLGS, sadly, doesn't DO discounts on Warhammer product). Because even if they had chopped the price down to $130 or something, it would still not be a great deal.
My LGS cut them down to $75 just to make them go away.
My LGS managed to shove the last few boxes off last year for like £80 each.
This makes me want to start playing AoS. I've been curious for a while but no idea where to start so this is a useful video!
I sold off my 40k to finance AoS stuff and ngl I couldn't be happier. The game balance is so much healthier, things are faster paced and more fun, and the community is so relaxed by comparison. Highly recommend starting aos.
@@NiallWade it's a shame because I love the world building in 40k so much
Thankfully I'm only one Combat Patrol deep into my addiction so I can swerve to AoS if I need to. I'm currently thinking sea elves or dinosaurs
@@therobotFrom94 If you still want to stay engaged with 40k, Kill Team is also excellent.
I’m from old school 40K, and I quit around 6th edition. Kept my eye on 40K, but never hooked me again. Got into AoS recently, and I’ll never look back. So much cooler and better in my opinion. No shade on current 40K players, just really pales in comparison.
I don’t even play AoS, I am pretty sure you could make a video recounting my college math lectures and I would still enjoy the watch
Same though
Play 2 change that ig
This week's Shill% is: 55:30 for Patreon shoutout. I did not hear Merch or RUclips Pleasantries. Due to this being a quick change episode, I'll give it a pass; if and only if next week is as good as it was hyped.
12:40 nice edit, Berillio
Wait did our hyping of next week make the video? I thought we only did that on the audio portion.
The box is worth the price just for those toes imo
To future readers:The stormcast section was incorrect on one part: Skaventide is likely to float around for 2-3 years as was dominion as yes there is demand just not as much as 40k launch boxes and skaven players usually already had skaven so look for that first even if it is 2 years down the line
Even if the Skaven end up being snatched up, the Stormcast half will likely stick around. Even if more and more of those models end up broken up into individual squads, rather than the "full package".
Yep. A games store I shop online at still shows 35 boxes in stock.
supply is starting to dry up a bit though, GW north america doesn't have anymore in stock
@@ilovesd90macs You cannot count on GW stock as they just remove it eventually and destroy the boxes they still have in stores and repack the others
Always appreciate more AOS content. Thanks guys
Yay! I was hoping that you guys would spill over into a little bit more AoS. Feels like there might be a lot of AoS curious players out there (myself included) and having heard positive reviews about Spearhead mode I'm wanting to dip my toes in. I jumped into the Stormbringer subscription which has landed me very close to owning several near-complete Spearhead armies.
AOS Superiority!
Spearhead is actually so fun! I hope you get stuck in and love it :)
Started a lizards riding dinosaur army with a copy of that spearhead box. Definitely getting at least 1 more box. Its pretty perfect as far as an intro goes imo. Solid units and everything can be built more than 1 way so even if you buy triples you can still use every model without even having tk convert or kitbash
Yndsatra is always a good value because she can be re-sold for people that kitbash or you can use her wings and start to kitbash yourself. Can never have too many of her!
Gw would make a fucking mint just selling her wings.
@@themilo1567 GW would make a lot of money selling LOTS of different, specialized parts. You know, the way they sell the Citadel Skulls kit. But then again, that would also mean selling more of those, and not full kits people then have to cut up. Arguably, GW make more money forcing folks to buy tons of overpriced character models.
As a fan of both 40k n aos im love seeing a high quality comedic video of aos thats not just talking about rules and tournament results (thats most aos channels except honest wargamer some of the time 😅❤❤
I just fucking opened RUclips and see this shit, hell yeah
Best part of every tuesday is Poorhammer. Thank you
you had me at SnakeGirls and BatGirls
I'm SO happy to see you do another AoS video! I'm truly excited for *even more* in the future!
Just a lil note on a few intro boxes you missed. The Daughters of khaine Xmas battle force box is still on shelves in shops and online along side cursed city for a boatload of soulblight gravelords
You are a lifesaver G
Yeah, and the vastly superior entry point for OBR are either battleforce for them (Tithe-Echelon or Praetorian Spearhead)
Found you guys a few months back, been loving it ever since, binged every episode in 2 weeks
If you are comfortable with blue casting, the nurgle spearhead can let you make up to 15 blightkings with the extra bits, and you can make some extra nurglings too with some creativity.
I have never heard STD for slaves to darkness, i had an intenses head snap
yeaaah, coming from someone whos considering them, i just call em S2D
Just wait till you hear a player at a table yell “YO SICK, I LOVE SLAVES!”
WE WONNN, YEAHHH MORE AOS!!!!!! berelio (apologies for the miss spelling) thank you for the editing. BRAD AND ERIC, good shit
Since you bring up the dawnbringer boxes, they’re designed for their respective faction’s army of renown. For those who don’t know, the AORs are alternate ways to play each faction that have unique rules but limits what models you can actually play. For example, the DOK is based around the normal elves, so you get a box of normal elves. During the dawnbringer event at the end of last edition, GW introduced the AORs and released a box for each one. They are not meant to be intro boxes, but boxes for people who already play the army and want to try the AOR but doesn’t have enough models to fit the restrictions
I literally just started talking to my friend about picking up spearhead boxes to get into AoS last week... great timing!
Hell ya AoS time!
Honestly just trying to help with the youtube thing, but I love seeing more AoS stuff from ya'll.
Please keep the AoS stuff coming. I still love 40k and all that, but my interest in it has kinda plateaued with the simplicity of it. Being able to use my Daemons to try AoS has really gotten me more interested in that game, and now I find myself more excited to learn and discuss the game in general.
There is also a Barnes and Noble Exclusive Beginner set, that has 5 Liberators and 20 clan rats with a paper mat and dice.
There's a version of that which comes with 6 paints that seems like a great gift
Great episode guys! These ones are my favorites, they show off a lot of the models and for some reason I am obsessed with the economics of these games, even though I don't play. I hope the postponed episode is your "AOS Faction Guide" where you give a beginner's intro to each army, who they are, how they play, how expensive are they, etc. If it's not, that's an episode I'd love to see. Keep up the good work!
40:45 there is never a safe start to an STD
Tusday mornings always keep me sane thanks to you guys
I have waited so long for this episode, you have NO IDEA!
Seriously, I’ve been wanting to play Spearhead for AGES now, but I have NO mind for mechanics and had no idea which ones would be good to start with and which would make me want to quit before I began.
Thank you guys so much for posting this episode, and thank you so much, Berellio, for putting it together; I know ‘twas meant to be essentially a last-minute filler episode, but I am SO grateful to have it! 🥰
Edit: Removed þe þorns so people might boþer to comment on _anyþing else_ I said.
Heads up. at 5:27, the model shown is the OLD Knight-Vexillor. The one in the box is the newer Knight-Vexillor with Banner of Apotheosis
Super excited to see more AoS content! Love the videos you guys make, thank you!
Ive been looking for more AOS content form you guys and this exact video concept from somebody... thank you guys so much for making this 😂
Loving the AoS content. Was definitely expecting a tier list when I saw the title but this was still great, regardless of last minute throw together. Excited for the next AoS episode.
This is exactly the episode I wanted to see from y’all. Excited to listen!
Thank you for this episode. As someone who is starting to dabble into AoS after everyone has been raving on Spearhead, you at least made some of my fears go away, since I got the Bonereapers, and STD spearheads, since both of those looked awesome to me. Now I know I have no regrets.
fyreslayers is truly the single most "wow this battletome has so many cool units locked away in the lore section" army in AoS. Everyone shits of fyreslayers for all looking the same except for the Droths, and GW has more weird creatures like the Droths people love... THAT THEY DON'T USE!
Nice, always great to see more AoS content
Fuck yeah this came in so clutch today on my boring lecture day. Thanks guys!
I like the Seraphon box honestly because you get 2 free heroes with the carnasaur part of the kit
Boy howdy I can't wait to see how they rate my beloved Beasts of Chaos, whose Vanguard Box I bought last year not knowing that the faction was going to be squated in less than a year!
Idoneth deepkin thralls have the added new player friendly bonus of not having to paint eyes
Wohoo! Glad you guys are doing AoS content as well.
Awesome episode guys! Looking forward to the one next month!
for khorne, spearhead+combat patrol+bloodthirster and you have not only over 2000pts (basically room for list adjusting) but a near perfect slice of the entire army
you have THE "khorne army"
can't wait for you all to play all the spearheads then do a tier list aswell.
don't play 40k but been with your podcast for about a year now. keep it up and it's amazing.
would love more aos but that's since i play aos, will listen either way!
I had no idea about the AoS' points but wow, getting to 2000pts is definitely easier compared to 40K.
And I play GSC
I felt the exact same way as another GSC player
Huzzah more AoS content! Commenting to support. I'm doing my part
The Kroxigors are great models until you look closer and realize they're 80's beefcakes wearing lizard cosplay. And then they become GREAT.
More AOS content my beloved. Always looking forward to y'all's stuff, but this is a big treat.
Poorhammer is literally my go to for advice on this kind of stuff :D!!! Informative and Humorous
I just bought the Stormcast Spearhead Box as my first "big" Warhammer/Wargaming purchase and I'm super happy with it. I haven't gotten far with building yet but so far I love the models ^^
Sons of Behemat spearhead is really interesting due to how 2 of the 3 gargants can come back once, so your opponent really is fighting 5 total gargants, and their general ability/regiment abilities can be tailored towards what kind of army you're fighting. Low HP cannon fodder? Foe Chompers means you can kill one (Or sometimes two!), with stuff em in the bag for D3 healing every turn.
They're not pretty models but they are very prime proxy targets. There's a lot of people who make cool looking gargant alternatives that aren't as expensive as the spearhead - you just need to make sure the base is the right size and that they're about the same height.
Absolutely good targets for proxies. The one I'd recommend is Max Mini, who have a trio of mini-Gargant sized giants for the price of the old Start Collecting boxes. And they look FANTASTIC. (And they're women, or at least woman-coded. Good for representation, and for pissing off really weird, misogynist nerds. Win win.)
While the prospective Gargant enjoyer is there, they might as well spend slightly more money on one of the three Mega-Gargant sized giant models, too. Models which ALSO look fantastic. The whole range they have going for them keeps tempting me to start a Sons of Behemat army, a temptation I'm sorely pressed to resist.
@@Bluecho4wow those look great, wish I liked giants lol
Nooooo Birrieria, 12:40 not the toe cam 😩😂
The dominion box after its price crash had to be the best boxset for dnd minis.
I have to say, as a Gloomspite Gitz fan, I don't find the stabbaz and shootaz that bad. Yes, they're older, but that also means the sprues are really simple and that makes them really easy to build.
Also despite their age, are actually pretty good looking for their size, I think you may be confused with the old Night Goblins that just got re-released for the Old World, but if you put them side to side you can definitely recognise which one is the younger versione. I'd say they're the best of both world.
Then again, I may biased because I love the little fakerz: they're so smol and cute!
I agree. They are just "passable" though, as they do stick out a bit next to their better sculpted brethren. Kinda sad when the Squig Herder looks like a million bucks next to a stabba.
However I also agree with Poorhammer that this is like the skaven situation. Change out the clan rats/stabbas for new sculpts and then this is a different story al together. Gits really need that update since so much else has already enjoyed since a huge overhaul.
@@Colorcrayons I have both the herder and the stabbas and I think they're fine. Maybe I just don't care about overly detailed minis.
Also I generally love their aesthetic, so they're not just "passable" to me.
This is really interesting timing. Ive been voraciously consuming content about all the combat patrols (to include yalls "build better combat patrol" episodes). In the past 24 hours, while at work and working on a project. That project is building up every spearhead force. Thank you. I dont know what the point of this comment is. But thank you.
Though I will say, I would love to see "building a better spearhead". Dont know if thatd be too derivative. I also dont know if thats something yall would want to do.
By the way, the Sons of Behemat Mancrusher Gargants never sold in doubles, they sold in triples, and the box was literally just repackaged to say "Spearhead: Sons of Behemat" instead of "Mancrusher Mob."
As a nighthaunt player, the vanguard box is really nice, in my opinion. It's got our main battleline units that you'd probably think about when you think about the army as a whole.
I've bought 2 in my time with them and would possibly pick them up again
Ogor's are beautiful models - they're older but that classic design is top notch.
That cities spearhead pairs pretty well with the christmas battleforce. Puts you at 1490 points, double up the two infantry units and you've got room for a nice big monster or steam tank.
Heck yeah AoS! Very glad to hear more is-a-comin'
You guys are awesome, look forward every week to hear you. 🎉
Dok player here, doomfire warlocks are used in voth sides of the army. They are our wizards so more unlimited spell casts
You guys are great! You have got new subscriber 😁. Listening to "discussion" format is much more interesting than to a single talking heads in other vlogs. Please please do more AoS. 🙏 There are big AoS community waiting for you there 😁.
Age of Stonks is such a goated thumbnail
I didn't know STD = Slaves to Darkness. So since they just got done talking about Nurgle and Slaanesh I thought they were still on that.
35:41 Box of Korne demons, box of Korne spearhead, box of corn flakes.
This makes me so happy I am literally in the process of trying to pick and AoS box
Awwww yes, more AoS from my favourite warhammer podcast, my day is made ^^
Good episode.
The seraphon and stormcast box seem like the ones for me.
Glad someone is covering this. Spearhead is a great game set, the boxes are a good value, and unlike 40k they didn't go around destroying these box sets (at least so far) but instead built Spearhead around the existing boxes. Good stuff!
Quick edit: The FEC box's Arch Regeant is now Online Only (they haven't updated it yet but we can't buy them like we used to) so you can't pick this up at your LGS for a discount generally.
You guys keep me in this hobby as it keeps robbing me lol
I'm glad you guys are expanding your interests to AoS. AoS has been more fun than 40k since mid 9th edition. I have 3 AoS/TOW armies and only 1 40k army.
Awesome! Defo need more aos stuff like this for new players like me
Some advice from someone who bought the Sylvaneth box to use in Spearhead matches and loves it (I almost won a small local tournament with it, despite some strong competition), the Treelord or any of your other units being able to zip around the battlefield using Strike and Fade or Walkers of the Hidden Paths means both that your army-wide movement is really solid and that your units are hard to pin down and trap in melee combat if you always keep them within 3 inches of a terrain feature (not difficult to do on the Spearhead game boards with how small they are, while also staying close to objectives your opponent has little/no control over). The biggest issue I had was where one of my opponents knew to play "keep-away" from the Treelord, thus disproportionately hindering a lot of my melee output, though the Treelord also has a fairly decent ranged attack and some of my other opponents tended to forget that or not know to play around it, since its range isn't "Kurnoth Greatbows"-good but is still solid enough to stay outside of most charge rolls.
Loved this video. I'm not an AoS player yet, but I know what I would start with if I were thanks to this.
Well, I'd been thinking about dabbling in AoS after your big faction breakdown. Thanks for the input on the factions (even if my wallet will be begging for mercy).
Also, talking to one of the employees at my LGS this weekend, he described Kroak as "Schrodinger's frog". I thought you might find that good for a laugh
When and if you do use AoS avatars; I advocate for Brad being an FeC model. The art and models are good, but also he's Management. Corrupted, Decaying, Notoriously Deluded.
Also good video and thank you.
Insert joke about the thousand sons combat patrol tzangors here
Love me some Tzaangors!!
eric's "hows it goin" gives me joy
5:40 Correction: the Yndrasta Spearhead is exactly 1k points at time of writing. Vanquishors are 110 for 5 and the box comes with 10. Yndrasta is only 340 points. Without Yndrasta, if you already own her, the box is 660 points, which is still higher than a LOT of other armies
You will be shocked to hear that Fyreslayers had a battleforce box INCLUDING the Magmadroth (and a character, and infantry)... which of course was discontinued because the whole thing hardly cost more than the 'droth on its own.
Just wait for KO getting the same treatment...
Thinking about Spearhead games specifically, how bad is the Cities of Sigmar box? Almost as weak as Lumineth?
Great video as always. Love watching these especially considering the epic editing for someone who doesn't play and doesn't have the models themselves in mind. Hence I will point out that at 23:30 the race is wrong on the box. It's a nitpick but I want the videos to only improve and for everyone to enjoy the videos more :)