Shows with great writing always trump shows that are just effects heavy. That’s why modern shows will be forgotten if they haven’t been already. Shows like B5, Star Trek prior to 2004, Dr Who prior to 1987. These shows all had good writing and the effect while dated today were the best available at the time and were there to add to the story, not the other way around
well, amybe tiniest, but "mightiest, too - part s01e06 Mind War ime imho consider as one of the best from whole B5 tv-show, even from ..ANY tv-shows excellent, most superbe, so-such-much-"richest" part of whole show in that part itself, ~~40 minutes longs, have happened so much ..excellent events, micro-plot-micro-arcs, and so much excellent characters lines, dialogues, - as amybe NOT in any 2-3 hours looong big movie, EVEN, never eh, kdo si dnes už len vůbec pamatá napr. na taký superský diel, jeden z najlepších dielov ever, nejen B5, ale ze všech seriálů vůbec, s01e06 - Mind Wars B-5, Vojna Mozgů v tom 1 diely sa odohralo, /povedalo tolko, a tak superských scén, / lines, priam prekypovalo výbornými scénkami, mini-plot-arcs, a lines.. čo mnohdy, inde, ani za 5 - 6 celovečerných filmov ne..
@@edgarst837 I didn't care for either in the beginning of watching this. But you are right that their interactions were a major part of the show. Both were fantastic in their parts.
nicely done. Of course Sakai-san encountered one of the First Ones, but may never learned that she did. This episode is a personal favorite (among many) as it reminds us all that there are wonders beyond imagining and terrors that would chill the Spirit. Such is the nature of the Universe and those who think they know it all are very arrogant and delusional
Odd that G'Kar asks for the fighter to be heavily armed. He should have at least suspected it wouldn't have made any difference. Of course the line is to make his motives more sinister prior to the reveal at the end, but its a slight miss in the writing.
If you’re going to send a military ship in, you might as well make sure that it’s armed. A non-hostile First One might let you go if it realizes that you’re objecting to what it’s currently doing. As an analogy: Imagine the Walkers as a human whose never seen a kitten before, and picks it up. Momma cat has no chance of destroying the curious human, and she and her baby are dead if the human WANTS to hurt them, but the human might just go “OW! Okay, fine, I’ll stop playing with this thing and set it down! You guys are SO cute, btw!” I find it interesting that the Narn Regime not only granted G’Kar’s request, but sent TWO fighters instead of one. Either a two-craft patrol were the closest heavy fighters to reroute, or the Regime was even more scared of the Region than G’Kar himself was.
@@garereeve117 If I were sending a rescue mission to a place like Sigma 957, knowing it's history, I would send two ships. One to render aid and one to watch for danger and provide cover fire if needed. G'Kar probably reasoned a heavily armed fighter might be needed to draw the Walkers away from Catherine and the G'Nar rescuing her.
I think it was just added for us viewers. We had to hace a little seed planted that G'Kar could be up to some scheming. We were as surprised as Ms Sakai
The ending scene is edited a bit. This is the full iconic dialog between G'Kar and Catherine Sakai Catherine : Ambassador! While I was out there, I saw something. What was it? G'Kar : [points to a flower with a bug crawling on it] What is this? Catherine : An ant. G'Kar : Ant! Catherine : So much gets shipped up from Earth on commercial transports it's hard to keep them out. G'Kar : I have just picked it up on the tip of my glove. If I put it down again [puts finger back to flower] and it asks another ant: "What was that?!?!" [chuckles] G'Kar : ...How would it explain? There are things in the universe billions of years older than either of our races. They're vast, timeless, and if they're aware of us at all, it is as little more than ants, and we have as much chance of communicating with them as an ant has with us. We know... we've tried, and we've learned that we can either stay out from underfoot; or be stepped on. Catherine : That's it? That's all you know? G'Kar : Yes, they are a mystery. And I am both terrified and reassured to know that there are still wonders in the universe, that we have not yet explained everything. Whatever they are, Miss Sakai, they walk near Sigma 957, and they must walk there alone.
Ahhh... so that's why you and the others have to edit all the scenes posted up. I was wondering why people were purposely deleting lines from significant clips
Of course the Narn Regime tried to contact the Walkers! They want to have highly advanced allies who can even hurt the Centauri severely - during the show few races could (even without Shadow help the Narn would have lost against the Centauri, it would just have been a lot bloodier on both sides and it'll have taken longer, too!)...Earth might have been able to (with their military in better shape then during the Earth-Minbari-War, with better tech and newer ships, most of the older ones having been lost in the war!), the Minbari of course (but it would have been a bloody affair, as the Centauri are nearly at their level with artificial gravity and even energy-shields (some of the Primus Cruisers have them, but they are ancient ships sadly, so can't use their full potential, having been built before those systems became available)) - Note: I am not counting any first ones, so no Vorlons (could have easily destroyed them!) or shadows (same!) etc.
It's right at the top of the description. Episode 1.06. Mindwar is the title. I had to search for it too for i thought it was another episode without Bester lol. Took me 30 min to find it again. So an episode number is convenient in the description.
There are some who speak like all sci fi ships ship be boxy or cylindrical because that is more "realistic" looking only at our current tech,. There are even some who think an assemblage of boxes is inherently more interesting design. They are mistaken. In a case like this, there is a need for a truly alien and other worldly design that makes no sense to us. Something where we're not even sure which ways are forward and aft on the thing.
too bad that was millions of years ago. nothing would remain. they left on purpose so they probably destroyed everything or took everything. the shadows and the vorlons left in a hurry so those homeworlds do still ahve tech, but after millions of years I doubt anything woudl remain.
Even if they did would we want to find it? It would be like a toddler playing with blaster from Star Wars. The Walkers might've booby trapped it just so the kids wouldn't get a hold of it.
And still throughout the whole franchise, that was never explained truly. What is really there? Something of their own.? Actually something like what he said.? Or something far less exciting, merely a hidden Narn traffic zone hub.? I still don't know -but, very much want to.
@@scottbraun2457 They are the Walkers of Sigma 957. They are not given any other name in the series. They are one of the First Ones. In season 3 episode 5, "Voices of Authority", they show up again, when Ivanova and Marcus are trying to find the remaining First Ones. They also show up in season 4 episode 6, "Into The Fire", during the showdown.
@@jerwheel So...not the Narns. Irony..I have been rewatching the collection with my mother, and before seeing this response, have seen, yes it was the first ones, and they chose not to share their name. I loved how EVANOVA, tricked them into joining in.?.by poking them in their pride.
They may be millions if not billions (the race, not the individual) of years old, but that does not make them Invincible. It just took more time to crack their shielding to destroy one of the ancient ships. In one ep. it took couple of white stars and a Narn heavy cruiser to destroy a Shadow ship. There is strength in numbers
Also they belived in progress thruu chaos and strife, extermination is i shitway to evolve the galaxy. They also kindly equipped both Centaury and humans with their tech so they had different goals than "winning".. also screw the Vorlons and all they did was also something they liked to do.
White Stars were built using Vorlon technology, and Vorlons were at least as advanced as Shadows if not more. And they were also susceptible to telepaths - that's why they attempted to eradicate all telepaths when they first originated on Narn homeworld (and Vorlons artificially altered all other young races to have telepaths). So in a way the answer is: Vorlons made it possible.
Ivanova had trouble talking to them. They only got the attention of them because of the advanced tech on the Whitestar and added Vorlon tech. Ivanova had to throw a insult at them that most likely no one else would have ever known to say much less thought of at the right time.
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JK Visions 3.18K subscribers (The mysterious "Walkers of Sigma 957" are one of my all time favorite members of the "First Ones." Plus, while they are peaceful.... you don't even want ta ever EVER get on their bad side.) Catherine Sakai: [describing the mysterious gigantic alien ship she encountered at Sigma 957] "Ambassador. While I was out there, I saw something. What was it?" G'Kar: [noticing an Ant] "What is this?" Catherine Sakai: "An ant." G'Kar: "Ant?" Catherine Sakai: "So much gets shipped from Earth, it's hard to keep them out." G'Kar: [explaining] "I have just picked it up on the tip of my glove. If I put it down again and it asks another ant: "What was that?", how would it explain?" [continuing] "There are things in the universe billions of years older than our races. They are vast, timeless, and if they're aware of us at all...... it is as little more than ants. We have as much chance of communicating with them...... as an ant has with us. We know, we've tried. We've learned that we can either stay out from underfoot or be stepped on." Catherine Sakai: "That's it? That's all you know?" G'Kar: "Yes. They are a mystery. And I am both terrified and reassured to know there are still wonders in the universe, that we have not yet explained everything. Whatever they are, Ms. Sakai, they walk near Sigma 957. They must walk there alone." - Narn Ambassador G'Kar, explaining the Walkers of Sigma 957 to Catherine Sakai (this quote is from "Babylon 5" Season 1, Episode 6 "Mind War", which is one of my all time favorite B5 episodes)
I like how B5 writer show the arrogance of scientist who think the world revolves around them. Or in this case thinks the universe revolves around them. This and the Epsilon III incident where Ivanova has to rescue another self righteous goober going too deep into the atmosphere.
Indeed! There is a twist to this scene as well, in that the Walkers are essentially committing the same vice. They a race of scientists and the ship you see in this clip, the Traveller, is a research vessel. It drains the shuttle of power because the scientific sensor equipment on it is so powerful that it extracts energy from all around it in its efforts to map out the universe.
Only G'Kar could give the appropriate gravitas to those scenes.
I'm continually amazed at how well Babylon 5 has aged. It was a great show then and now.
It is kinda timeless. Just as starwars 1-6.
@@JK-Visions agreed
@@warriorking9262 G'Kar became the series' semi - reluctant " moral compass ". Allegiances, belief systems, alliances can change in a wink of an eye.
@@JK-Visions the prequels were never good and the used cgi for them has aged terribly compared to the puppets, models and minitures used in the ot.
Shows with great writing always trump shows that are just effects heavy. That’s why modern shows will be forgotten if they haven’t been already. Shows like B5, Star Trek prior to 2004, Dr Who prior to 1987. These shows all had good writing and the effect while dated today were the best available at the time and were there to add to the story, not the other way around
Mighty damn, Babylon 5 was a fantastic show. This is just the tiniest sample of its magnificence.
well, amybe tiniest, but "mightiest, too - part s01e06 Mind War ime imho consider as one of the best from whole B5 tv-show, even from ..ANY tv-shows excellent, most superbe, so-such-much-"richest" part of whole show
in that part itself, ~~40 minutes longs, have happened so much ..excellent events, micro-plot-micro-arcs, and so much excellent characters lines, dialogues, - as amybe NOT in any 2-3 hours looong big movie, EVEN, never
eh, kdo si dnes už len vůbec pamatá napr. na taký superský diel, jeden z najlepších dielov ever, nejen B5, ale ze všech seriálů vůbec,
s01e06 - Mind Wars
B-5, Vojna Mozgů
v tom 1 diely sa odohralo, /povedalo tolko, a tak superských scén, / lines, priam prekypovalo výbornými scénkami, mini-plot-arcs, a lines..
čo mnohdy, inde, ani za 5 - 6 celovečerných filmov ne..
G'kar always gets the best speeches. I'd pay to have him read a menu. Subscribed!
Andreas Katsulas and Peter Jurasik stole the entire series. They were the best in every scene they were in. RIP Andreas! A great actor!
@@edgarst837 I didn't care for either in the beginning of watching this. But you are right that their interactions were a major part of the show. Both were fantastic in their parts.
nicely done. Of course Sakai-san encountered one of the First Ones, but may never learned that she did. This episode is a personal favorite (among many) as it reminds us all that there are wonders beyond imagining and terrors that would chill the Spirit. Such is the nature of the Universe and those who think they know it all are very arrogant and delusional
I like your sentiments. All of them. A favorite of mine too.
It is one of my favorite episodes as well. I Wholeheartedly agree with everything you said.
What episode?
@@longrider42 ... Babylon 5/Season 1/Ep 06/Mind War
And we won't know for a few more Seasons how important this episode really was for introducing them. Outstanding. B5 was the G.O.A.T.!
Not gonna see a scene like this again very soon. Probably should. Alot.
I wish we had a seen more of mrs. sakkia she was a good character played by a great actress.
Sakai, not Sakkia.
@@xkm-thebasetecchannel3823 actually it doesn't even have a s in it.
@@demarcusfaulkner7411 No “s”? Her name was not “Akai,” like the Audio Equipment Brand.
@@Ryan_Christopher thanks I quite literally said that.
Not to mention hot as f.. o.O
Ignore G'kar's words at your peril...
Odd that G'Kar asks for the fighter to be heavily armed. He should have at least suspected it wouldn't have made any difference. Of course the line is to make his motives more sinister prior to the reveal at the end, but its a slight miss in the writing.
I agree, but perhaps there could be other species or raiders lurking around. We do not know.
I think it was to mislead the audience into thinking he was the villain.
I don't have an in universe explanation.
If you’re going to send a military ship in, you might as well make sure that it’s armed. A non-hostile First One might let you go if it realizes that you’re objecting to what it’s currently doing.
As an analogy: Imagine the Walkers as a human whose never seen a kitten before, and picks it up. Momma cat has no chance of destroying the curious human, and she and her baby are dead if the human WANTS to hurt them, but the human might just go “OW! Okay, fine, I’ll stop playing with this thing and set it down! You guys are SO cute, btw!”
I find it interesting that the Narn Regime not only granted G’Kar’s request, but sent TWO fighters instead of one. Either a two-craft patrol were the closest heavy fighters to reroute, or the Regime was even more scared of the Region than G’Kar himself was.
@@garereeve117 If I were sending a rescue mission to a place like Sigma 957, knowing it's history, I would send two ships. One to render aid and one to watch for danger and provide cover fire if needed. G'Kar probably reasoned a heavily armed fighter might be needed to draw the Walkers away from Catherine and the G'Nar rescuing her.
I think it was just added for us viewers. We had to hace a little seed planted that G'Kar could be up to some scheming. We were as surprised as Ms Sakai
The ending scene is edited a bit. This is the full iconic dialog between G'Kar and Catherine Sakai
Catherine : Ambassador! While I was out there, I saw something. What was it?
G'Kar : [points to a flower with a bug crawling on it] What is this?
Catherine : An ant.
G'Kar : Ant!
Catherine : So much gets shipped up from Earth on commercial transports it's hard to keep them out.
G'Kar : I have just picked it up on the tip of my glove. If I put it down again [puts finger back to flower] and it asks another ant: "What was that?!?!"
[chuckles]
G'Kar : ...How would it explain? There are things in the universe billions of years older than either of our races. They're vast, timeless, and if they're aware of us at all, it is as little more than ants, and we have as much chance of communicating with them as an ant has with us. We know... we've tried, and we've learned that we can either stay out from underfoot; or be stepped on.
Catherine : That's it? That's all you know?
G'Kar : Yes, they are a mystery. And I am both terrified and reassured to know that there are still wonders in the universe, that we have not yet explained everything. Whatever they are, Miss Sakai, they walk near Sigma 957, and they must walk there alone.
Yes it was, it got blocked when i did the full scene. RUclips is a bit strange sometimes. Thanks for your update;)
Ahhh... so that's why you and the others have to edit all the scenes posted up. I was wondering why people were purposely deleting lines from significant clips
Some of the very best dialog ever on this show.
Of course the Narn Regime tried to contact the Walkers! They want to have highly advanced allies who can even hurt the Centauri severely - during the show few races could (even without Shadow help the Narn would have lost against the Centauri, it would just have been a lot bloodier on both sides and it'll have taken longer, too!)...Earth might have been able to (with their military in better shape then during the Earth-Minbari-War, with better tech and newer ships, most of the older ones having been lost in the war!), the Minbari of course (but it would have been a bloody affair, as the Centauri are nearly at their level with artificial gravity and even energy-shields (some of the Primus Cruisers have them, but they are ancient ships sadly, so can't use their full potential, having been built before those systems became available)) - Note: I am not counting any first ones, so no Vorlons (could have easily destroyed them!) or shadows (same!) etc.
Shame she didn't have more of a part in the series. I thought she was great.
Yes she was. I didn't like her at first but now seeing her acting in my short videos i think she is better then i remembered.
@@JK-Visions And INCREDIBLY HAWT...
She also played in rambo 3, I believe
Nice clip . I know for certain that it is from the first Season . Catherine Sakkai doesn't appear in any other Seasons . Which episode is it though ??
It's right at the top of the description. Episode 1.06.
Mindwar is the title. I had to search for it too for i thought it was another episode without Bester lol. Took me 30 min to find it again. So an episode number is convenient in the description.
Until Ivanava hurts their feelings :)
Zog!
There are some who speak like all sci fi ships ship be boxy or cylindrical because that is more "realistic" looking only at our current tech,. There are even some who think an assemblage of boxes is inherently more interesting design.
They are mistaken. In a case like this, there is a need for a truly alien and other worldly design that makes no sense to us. Something where we're not even sure which ways are forward and aft on the thing.
I agree. That's why they needed minbari to fly the white stars in the beginning.
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It would be intriguing to know what was on the surface of Sigma 957? When the ‘Walkers’ left the galaxy they might also have left tech on the planet.
too bad that was millions of years ago. nothing would remain. they left on purpose so they probably destroyed everything or took everything. the shadows and the vorlons left in a hurry so those homeworlds do still ahve tech, but after millions of years I doubt anything woudl remain.
Even if they did would we want to find it? It would be like a toddler playing with blaster from Star Wars. The Walkers might've booby trapped it just so the kids wouldn't get a hold of it.
It would have been a great opportunity to land on Sigma 957 and find out what was there.
Could be nothing. Perhaps they just stay in orbit around the planet.
@@JK-Visions Might be a place that was special to them for something that happened a billion years ago. Nothing left but memories.
2024.... the uk has a despised dictator as Prime minister , a corrupt police force , biased media and crooked judges . These words mean a lot to me
Arms hold , old one glimpse at you. 7D-9D tec. Range. Higher ones. . .1=6 min, .3=18 min. John.
And still throughout the whole franchise, that was never explained truly. What is really there? Something of their own.? Actually something like what he said.? Or something far less exciting, merely a hidden Narn traffic zone hub.?
I still don't know -but, very much want to.
I have to rewatch it but it seems in the final battle against the shadows they appear again. So probably no Narns but some of the ancient ones.
@@JK-Visions I will appreciate all efforts to uncover this mystery. Thank you.
@@scottbraun2457 They are the Walkers of Sigma 957. They are not given any other name in the series.
They are one of the First Ones. In season 3 episode 5, "Voices of Authority", they show up again, when Ivanova and Marcus are trying to find the remaining First Ones. They also show up in season 4 episode 6, "Into The Fire", during the showdown.
@@jerwheel So...not the Narns. Irony..I have been rewatching the collection with my mother, and before seeing this response, have seen, yes it was the first ones, and they chose not to share their name. I loved how EVANOVA, tricked them into joining in.?.by poking them in their pride.
Well, she's gorgeous.
A old of two in Garda way.
Not bad, however, I don't like how the final scene/dialogue was edited.
Only problem for me. If the Shadows were "millions of years ahead" how was it possible for us even try and fight?
With the help of other ancient ones. And the telepaths.
They may be millions if not billions (the race, not the individual) of years old, but that does not make them Invincible. It just took more time to crack their shielding to destroy one of the ancient ships. In one ep. it took couple of white stars and a Narn heavy cruiser to destroy a Shadow ship. There is strength in numbers
Also they belived in progress thruu chaos and strife, extermination is i shitway to evolve the galaxy. They also kindly equipped both Centaury and humans with their tech so they had different goals than "winning".. also screw the Vorlons and all they did was also something they liked to do.
White Stars were built using Vorlon technology, and Vorlons were at least as advanced as Shadows if not more. And they were also susceptible to telepaths - that's why they attempted to eradicate all telepaths when they first originated on Narn homeworld (and Vorlons artificially altered all other young races to have telepaths).
So in a way the answer is: Vorlons made it possible.
@@JK-Visionsand good old-fashioned thermonuclear warheads - I don't care how old, advanced, refined... you don't mess with the power of the sun :))
Beings, in this physical universe.
How 🦆 ‘Ing ignorance we have towards to compare ourselves towards those who have gone through it! Just saying
Zog!
FF:06:B5 cyberpunk
IF it so dangerous why the hell is there a jump gate near by?
Good question
Turns out they were Tiki Gods and rather easy to talk to.
Ivanova had trouble talking to them. They only got the attention of them because of the advanced tech on the Whitestar and added Vorlon tech. Ivanova had to throw a insult at them that most likely no one else would have ever known to say much less thought of at the right time.
Easy to talk to while standing on the bridge of a ship designed by the Vorlons.
I just wish I could watch all movies and TV series in order where can I find them all please tell me if you can get the time please thank you very much
They are streamed by:
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J Michael Straczynski's epic sci-fi saga "Babylon 5" has finally received a long overdue upgrade to HD-of-sorts and is now available as a digital download from Amazon (opens in new tab) and iTunes (opens in new tab)where available globally, and on HBO Max.
@@JK-Visions Thank you so very much for your help 😇
Oops!
ZOG!
Looks brilliant even better in HD
*I ❤️ BABYLON 5*
G'Kar is FAR too kind, especially with fools like this.
I think he is following his agenda, but also respects Sinclair so he saves his wife.
If anyone fears Sigma 957 it is because they are smart.
Silly girl forgot RULE NUMBER ONE:- G'kar never tells lies.
Well everyone lies too him that's for sure.
@@JK-Visions Yup.
JK Visions
3.18K subscribers (The mysterious "Walkers of Sigma 957" are one of my all time favorite members of the "First Ones." Plus, while they are peaceful.... you don't even want ta ever EVER get on their bad side.)
Catherine Sakai: [describing the mysterious gigantic alien ship she encountered at Sigma 957] "Ambassador. While I was out there, I saw something. What was it?"
G'Kar: [noticing an Ant] "What is this?"
Catherine Sakai: "An ant."
G'Kar: "Ant?"
Catherine Sakai: "So much gets shipped from Earth, it's hard to keep them out."
G'Kar: [explaining] "I have just picked it up on the tip of my glove. If I put it down again and it asks another ant: "What was that?", how would it explain?" [continuing] "There are things in the universe billions of years older than our races. They are vast, timeless, and if they're aware of us at all...... it is as little more than ants. We have as much chance of communicating with them...... as an ant has with us. We know, we've tried. We've learned that we can either stay out from underfoot or be stepped on."
Catherine Sakai: "That's it? That's all you know?"
G'Kar: "Yes. They are a mystery. And I am both terrified and reassured to know there are still wonders in the universe, that we have not yet explained everything. Whatever they are, Ms. Sakai, they walk near Sigma 957. They must walk there alone." - Narn Ambassador G'Kar, explaining the Walkers of Sigma 957 to Catherine Sakai (this quote is from "Babylon 5" Season 1, Episode 6 "Mind War", which is one of my all time favorite B5 episodes)
Thanks for your grand reply.
My favorite episode of season 1 is signs and portents. But many i really like.
Have a great day!
One of my all time favorite scenes. It really set the stage for how "small" we really are. Thanks for capturing it here
@@JK-Visions You're Welcome.
Sakai-San is really HOT!😊
Yes and I never realised it at the time;)
Heavily armed? Did he intend to attack them lol?
Yeah that was a bit strange.
erm what the sigma 957
It's a planet.
zog
Why did you cut it?
If it gets too long RUclips blocks it. Also some scene look like they are cut short but aren't. Some scenes on video also have a jumpy transition.
@@JK-Visions "we know. We have tried". is missing, for example. 😕
But thx for the answer
Too bad you CUT some of the MOST important content of these scenes.. JMS dialog is there for a reason... DON'T CUT IT OUT!!!
There is too much dialogue. So I try but it will never be like watching the whole episode;). I would recommend buying the blue rays:)
@@JK-VisionsI have them.. plus the extras :)
I like how B5 writer show the arrogance of scientist who think the world revolves around them. Or in this case thinks the universe revolves around them. This and the Epsilon III incident where Ivanova has to rescue another self righteous goober going too deep into the atmosphere.
Indeed! There is a twist to this scene as well, in that the Walkers are essentially committing the same vice. They a race of scientists and the ship you see in this clip, the Traveller, is a research vessel. It drains the shuttle of power because the scientific sensor equipment on it is so powerful that it extracts energy from all around it in its efforts to map out the universe.
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Reader Digest Condensed Version?
Yep.
Julia Nickson - very attractive but an awful actress!
JUst like a woman, just won't listen.
I am not sure JMS meant that that way lol. I know enough men who are also not listening. But don't tell my wife;)