Babylon 5 - The Mystery of Babylon 4

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  • Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
  • First encounter with Babylon 4.
    The conclusion will be in War without End in season 3 but we get a mention of the great war.
    Also the good Zathras appears.
    S1.20

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  • @descendinguniverse666
    @descendinguniverse666 2 года назад +73

    Sometimes when I try to explain some things to others I feel like Zathras

  • @Sinapus
    @Sinapus 2 года назад +33

    Cannot run out of time! There is infinite time! You are finite, Zathras is finite, this... is wrong tool. No... no... never use this... no...

  • @jessebianchi2631
    @jessebianchi2631 2 года назад +35

    poor Zathrus. forgotten by history but instrumental in it's shaping. at least his brothers remember him.
    balance.

    • @bird65413
      @bird65413 2 месяца назад

      🌻🐦❤️

  • @mechanix1228
    @mechanix1228 Год назад +19

    This story is part of what hooked me to the first season. When it disappears again I lost my shit wondering if we would ever find out what happened? I was throughly satisfied later 😃

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  Год назад +3

      Yeah and the time travel story;made sense for a change.

    • @reidboggs4344
      @reidboggs4344 Месяц назад

      One of the better plot twists in sci-fi. Up there with the Slayer being old school Doom Guy in Eternal.

  • @exposingproxystalkingorgan4164
    @exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 2 года назад +50

    I like Babylon4. It is a space station ship that can move with engines. They just need a large planet destroying laser that is the length of the entire B4 station.

    • @HighmageDerin
      @HighmageDerin 2 года назад +7

      now now, no need to turn it into the darksaber......................

    • @evanboll4651
      @evanboll4651 2 года назад +6

      How do we know they didn't have that? Look at what they can slap onto Omega's and Warlock's.

  • @Henrik_Holst
    @Henrik_Holst Год назад +20

    Never noticed before just how much BioWare took the design of B4 into the Citadel in Mass Effect.

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  Год назад +5

      Me neither, I need to replay it some time.

    • @maddlarkin
      @maddlarkin 6 месяцев назад

      Yeah Bioware took a lot of 'inspiration' from other places, recently look up some old Freespace and Freespace 2 game play and well, there's more than a few parallels

    • @michaelkeha
      @michaelkeha 3 месяца назад

      I mean they are both renditions of the same core concept that being an O'Niell Cylinder same with Gundam's colonies and many other sci fi settings

    • @Ruosteinenknight
      @Ruosteinenknight 2 месяца назад

      Lot of Mass Effect's influences are from Star Trek and Babylon 5. For example, a soldier is ambushed in space by enemy vessel, left to die in a vacuum, but is resurrected by a shadow-government with the use of cybernetics to do fight their enemies.
      Now, are we talking about Mass Effect 2 intro or Babylon 5 episode "a spider in the web"?

  • @Yonatan_Max
    @Yonatan_Max 2 года назад +24

    Its' hard to explain but I like Season 1 better than Season 2 so far. It just had a different vibe for me. Sinclair was the captain I'd want and that, combined with this amazing episode Babylon Squared made a memorable season...

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  2 года назад +7

      At first i agreed but later on in the seasons i began to like John a lot. But i like both actors and their command of B5.

  • @der.Schtefan
    @der.Schtefan 11 месяцев назад +8

    The best story arc and planing EVER. I remember going CRAZY when I saw them steal Babylon 4 themselves in the last seasons! What a forethought of the writers! To this day I remember this!

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  11 месяцев назад +4

      Yeah and he never mentioned time travel specificly. Until the last movie that is:)

    • @ScorpiusZA.
      @ScorpiusZA. 7 месяцев назад +1

      The way the two episodes were linked was very well done, with surprisingly few inconsistencies. Fewer than I would have thought, given the difference when both were filmed.

  • @DanielSolis
    @DanielSolis 2 года назад +61

    Man, this takes me back. I remember seeing this whole saga play out weekly over four years.

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  2 года назад +6

      I had that with star trek tng for 7 years. B5 i only found out excisted years later after they almost finished, also thanks to a Trekkie fellow sci fi fan. But tB5 air here in Holland so i had to buy the DVD boxes as soon as they came out.

    • @jessebianchi2631
      @jessebianchi2631 2 года назад +1

      it was bounced around, canceled locally and picked up by another network so often that i lost track of it.
      fortunately there are full episodes over at daily motion.
      it's like visiting with old friends.

    • @jdcaughman4598
      @jdcaughman4598 2 года назад +1

      This series is the reason I got a dish ,mounted it on my roof, and payed for programming.

    • @veeeks2938
      @veeeks2938 2 года назад +2

      Same. I also remember here in the UK, channel 4 got a few coups in showing some episodes before the US (especially during the shadow war arc).

  • @terrancemoore8756
    @terrancemoore8756 2 года назад +31

    If anyone from the major Networks is listening, please, BRING BACK BABYLON 5 !!!

    • @paulloose
      @paulloose 2 года назад +5

      Its being rebooted by JMS :)

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  2 года назад +3

      They are working on it;)

    • @Thyinternet
      @Thyinternet 2 года назад +4

      And Babylon 4

    • @lonknight3197
      @lonknight3197 Год назад +6

      No never reboot a classic they will just turn it into somekind of Woke garbage.

    • @Syndur
      @Syndur Год назад +5

      I wouldn't think it's such a good idea.
      Babylon 5 pretty much tells a story, start to finish. From what I can tell, there's no real "space" to add anything, especially since we know where it goes anyway. What kind of interesting, major plot line could they add into B5 before its destruction?

  • @peppermintspacecapsule9898
    @peppermintspacecapsule9898 Год назад +5

    SINCLAIR and BABYLON 4... my all-time favourite combination!
    Glad this video came up in today's suggestions. "En'Til'Zah Veni!"

  • @tsm688
    @tsm688 Год назад +4

    1:40 They make fun of B5's special effects now but some things I still think are pretty good. They had neat ideas and took time to execute the stuff they considered important

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  Год назад +3

      I still like the effects so I wouldn't make fun of it. I'd rather have great stories with less great effects then the other way around which is mostly the case these days.

  • @Andre-pe9mm
    @Andre-pe9mm 2 года назад +7

    B5 one of my favourite tv programs.

  • @harrisonchr
    @harrisonchr 11 месяцев назад +2

    This was such a great series, especially when a lot of the story seemed planned out way in advance. It's so great to see something in an early episode that pays off way later. Imagine what this series could look like with mire modern graphics.

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  11 месяцев назад +2

      True but seeing the ground breaking effects from those days is also a treat. Especially when you compare them to star trek the next generation which aired around the same time.

  • @nigeldepledge3790
    @nigeldepledge3790 Год назад +13

    Is there a greater character anywhere in fiction than Zathras?
    Well, not counting Zathras or Zathras, obviously.

  • @donaldwilliamson1227
    @donaldwilliamson1227 2 года назад +11

    I sure would like to see pics or concepts of the other three stations.

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  2 года назад +5

      I am not sure they were made. Babylon 4 probably exists. Though I don't have it. I will take a look through all my books though. If i have any i will put it at the end of the first season 2 episode i make. I will have it finished in the next 2 weeks.

    • @toomanyaccounts
      @toomanyaccounts 2 года назад +1

      @@JK-Visions t no detailed mockups with the planed layout and size. all five Babylon stations are similar in design but some slight differences or even major as in the case of sublight engines in Babylon 4 case.. bab 4 was the only one put out in great detail in models with specs I think. we didn't see 2 or 3 even in glimpse in flashback.

    • @Yonatan_Max
      @Yonatan_Max 2 года назад

      and I would like to see my boy Sinclair albeit recast in the new show...

    • @evanboll4651
      @evanboll4651 2 года назад +1

      external-preview.redd.it/eYCAwPQ2iUq0hgY3w-1d8wsv34waP8MiwtIFPy0x32M.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=95ab9cb8359a907d15cc39c0871a3ec3478ee967 Found an image by googling it.

  • @allenho2778
    @allenho2778 Год назад +1

    „Listen: Billy Pilgrim has come unstuck in time.“

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  Год назад +1

      Thanks for your reply, I never heard of Billy Pilgrim so I looked it up.
      For those who don't know the story:
      Billy Pilgrim is a fictional character and protagonist of Kurt Vonnegut's 1969 novel Slaughterhouse-Five,
      He has a war trauma and suffers from shizofrenia just like Sinclair(in real life too). If I read the summary correctly.

  • @heyrea
    @heyrea 2 года назад +2

    The beginning of Phelan. Nice.

  • @paulmichaelfreedman8334
    @paulmichaelfreedman8334 Год назад +6

    Didn't he become a human progenitor for all minbari by going back in time thousands of years?

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  Год назад +3

      She did save humanity and the rest of the universe but she wasn't our genetic root.

  • @Sepaedius
    @Sepaedius Год назад +1

    "Zathrus just pawn in great game of life..."

  • @dieseljester3466
    @dieseljester3466 3 месяца назад

    I went total fanboy in Season 3 when they tied that two-parter in with the 1st Season episode. Totally Geeked Out!

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  3 месяца назад

      To be honest I liked the story but it wasn't my favorite. Although for the first time there was a time travel story which made at least some sense. Although I can't imagine them jumping back and forth until the end of time lol.

  • @davidsmith-ih2kk
    @davidsmith-ih2kk 2 года назад +5

    What I find strange is Babylon 4 rotates in two opposite directions so as your making your way along the interior suddenly you find yourself being thrown in the opposite direction Babylon 5 as you can see rotates in only one direction as it should I think the special effects guys were asleep when they did Babylon 4 no way would it be practicable to go in two different directions Even Earth Force ships rotate all in one direction B4 is the only anomaly But its just a show a great show though nothing better

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  2 года назад +1

      I never noticed lol. But you are right.

    • @SnowmanTF2
      @SnowmanTF2 2 года назад +4

      There are some advantages to having two similar rotational forces balancing out each other. It would keep the non cylinder structures in the same alignment. Only the outer one is going to give gravity comfortable to humans, so there may be few transferring between the two unless the inner one is designed for aliens; it could all just be support equipment, tanks, other supplies, and the ship dock. Also a station that size it would be good to have two large completely independent habitable modules, to evacuate everyone to the other if needed.
      Plus transferring along the axis of rotation should not be that hard, it ends up basically zero g on both segments at the center. Though maglev elevators or trains could make the process of transitioning between the two segments idiot proof and/or faster, since if there is reason to transfer that easily could be a point of congestion.

    • @zephyr8072
      @zephyr8072 Год назад +3

      It has counter rotation to be able to move in space with conventional engines, whereas Babylon 5 is locked to it's orbit.
      The designers on the show tried to lean towards hard sci fi as much as they could so took into account things like this.
      The Omega destroyer was originally designed with a complicated array of angled engine exhausts in order to compensate for it's single rotation, but the 3D modellers disregarded this either because it was too complex to render or just didn't look good. One could imagine instead there's some sort of internal counter-rotation going on.

  • @MultiTimelady
    @MultiTimelady 7 месяцев назад +1

    One big time loop

  • @TairnKA
    @TairnKA 2 года назад +5

    You would think that the group at B4s destination would, if alien wonder about the strange language on the crates and wall markings?

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  2 года назад +1

      In a stressful situation your vision gets very narrow so I think they didn't see or didn't consider it important at that time.

    • @leoneomike
      @leoneomike 2 года назад +2

      @@JK-Visions There was a tie in comic called In Valen's name that show's a bit more about what happened after Babylon 4 goes back to the Great War. I had one issue but it's lost to time now. You can find scans of some pages but I cannot find a full PDF of it.

    • @zephyr8072
      @zephyr8072 Год назад +1

      They flat out say that the Minbari would never have accepted the station or Valen if Valen didn't look like them. (Yay, space racism to the point of losing a war).
      That's why Valen had to be there and had to change himself.

  • @dareka9425
    @dareka9425 2 месяца назад

    People in fantasy world of magic and sorcery: talks in riddles and vague prophecies.
    People in scifi world of technology and science: same.

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  2 месяца назад

      Yeah and thats what makes it interesting don't you agree?

    • @maxisaev568
      @maxisaev568 Месяц назад

      it's no wonder, social communications is not rocket science

  • @fernandofsalvia
    @fernandofsalvia 2 года назад +3

    I Loved this series when i was young.
    I cant find it anyware to watch again.

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  2 года назад +4

      The DVD's are still for sale last i checked.

    • @evanboll4651
      @evanboll4651 2 года назад

      And that's why I'm glad my parents bought the DVDs as they came out 20 years ago. You can still buy DVD versions on Amazon.

    • @PostprandialTorpor
      @PostprandialTorpor Год назад

      HBO / HBO max

    • @guspaz
      @guspaz Год назад

      In the US, currently not available for streaming, only for purchase on iTunes. However, the blurays are coming out later this year.

  • @ProperLogicalDebate
    @ProperLogicalDebate 2 года назад +9

    I like this Zathrus (spelling?) better than that Zathrus. Which am I writing about? LoL

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  2 года назад +5

      According to the episode guide Signs and Portents its Zathras;) I looked it up because i always get the names wrong otherwise haha.

    • @bostonrailfan2427
      @bostonrailfan2427 Год назад +1

      but did you like Zathras more than Zathros?

  • @charleschadwick5686
    @charleschadwick5686 2 года назад +2

    And part of it you still up to it a little mystery. Maybe you should show season 3 part 1 and 2 to finish the mystery of Babylon 4. It would be able to finish telling the mystery of Babylon 4

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  2 года назад

      I will get to it in time;) atm working on S2E5.

  • @XXXXXXXXXX-qy1fv
    @XXXXXXXXXX-qy1fv 2 года назад +2

    B5 was so good.

  • @avae5343
    @avae5343 Год назад +1

    WEVE BECOME….UNSTUCK IN TIME!

  • @PhilDrury
    @PhilDrury 9 месяцев назад

    Ahhh. Zathras!

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  9 месяцев назад +2

      I am always amazed how great his acting is and how smart he actually is written. For a character who appears maybe 3 times in the whole series I can't think of any series which had a similar important character with so little screentime.

  • @MackerelCat
    @MackerelCat 2 года назад +2

    Zathras ❤️

  • @Andreas-gh6is
    @Andreas-gh6is 2 года назад

    How will they handle it in the B5 reboot? The mystery of Babylon 4... yeah right we already know where it went....

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  2 года назад +1

      i think that story will be different. If the remake will happen for cw is being sold i heard.

  • @LarryDickman1
    @LarryDickman1 2 года назад +12

    So .... when is Baylon 6 coming online as a series? I just hope what ever JMS is doing it isn't a woke ass project. Look what happened to Star Trash and Star Wreck.

    • @JK-Visions
      @JK-Visions  2 года назад +1

      It seems somewhere this year.

    • @chemicalhap
      @chemicalhap Год назад +3

      Wow. All of b5 themes really wooshed over your head.

    • @joshua9396
      @joshua9396 Год назад

      I agree no woke horsedung for B-5

    • @ganados0
      @ganados0 Год назад

      A Babylon 6 would be redundant since the originals goals of dialogue between species had been met by the formation of a Interstellar alliance.

    • @karinaashmon
      @karinaashmon 5 месяцев назад

      Tell us you haven't a clue