DeepSeek puts US-China relations on edge | Ian Bremmer | World In :60
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
- How is China's AI app DeepSeek disrupting the AI industry? Trump has issued a 90-day pause on nearly all US foreign aid. What's the likelihood it'll be extended beyond that? What do I make of the Rwandan-backed rebels' advancements in Congo?
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Ian Bremmer shares his insights on global politics this week on World In :60.
How is China's AI app DeepSeek disrupting the AI industry?
It certainly seems to be making people concerned that the Chinese are a lot closer to the Americans and the Trump administration is not sleeping on this. They clearly feel that China is technologically very capable, very advanced. Frankly, different than Biden felt when he first became president, though he got up to speed on that pretty quickly. And I think that's going to lead to a much tougher competition between the United States and China. Those that think that a deal is coming, that Trump is going to engage with China because he wants to find a way to not have to put tariffs on, I don't think that's going to happen because you're going to have so much more efforts to contain the Chinese in all sorts of areas of advanced technology broadly speaking.
They are way ahead in data. The Americans are ahead in compute, and they're both going to lean into the opportunities that they have. And the Americans are going to use their firepower from a government perspective with other countries around the world as well. That's what I think.
Trump has issued a 90-day pause on nearly all US foreign aid. What's the likelihood it'll be extended beyond that?
I don't know how long it's going to be extended, but I do know that so many of the contractors that are involved, for example, USAID, which is like half of their capable workforce, are gone. And within 30 days they then lose their security clearances and they're not going to have capability to execute. So I think there will be permanent damage to the ability of the Americans to actually get a lot of development programs done around the world, and this is an important piece of US soft power.
And if the Americans aren't doing it, other countries around the world will, most particularly China,. This is an opportunity for the Chinese to have more influence, especially in the Global South than the United States. And this is pennywise and pound foolish for the Americans. And unlike the suspension of domestic support and funding and programs, which led to a whole bunch of outrage and then the order was rescinded, on foreign aid there's not a lot of domestic outrage. And companies don't want to stick their necks out because they think that they're going to get whacked hard by the Trump administration. So, I think it's more likely to have a longer-term impact.
What do I make of the Rwandan-backed rebels' advancements in Congo?
Definitely it is expanding the civil war. A lot of Congolese are really unhappy that this is happening with the support of external actors. You've seen a bunch of embassies in Congo ransacked, a lot of riots as a consequence, and not a lot of interest in trying to resolve the problem other than from folks like the United Nations who are pretty weak on the ground. So like we're seeing in Sudan, in Congo, an expanding civil war that is causing a lot of humanitarian hardship and havoc. That's it for me, and I'll talk to you all real soon.
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#In60Seconds #DeepSeek #Trump
The US is making a mistake by trying to hold China back in its development of AI. Anyone who thinks we can successfully hold China back in AI is dreaming. China has lots of very talented and hard working engineers and scientists. China graduates eight times the number of engineers each year that the US does. Our restrictions on advanced semiconductors and EUV semiconductor technology are already backfiring. It’s likely that China will catch up and surpass us. They will remember how we treated them when they were the underdog.
AI development is not a zero sum game. Our advancements will benefit them and their advancements will benefit us. The US exceptionalism in technologies came about because we have been open. Technology is a system not a secret. Advances in technology are almost always built on the work of others. The developers behind DeepSeek clearly understand the synergies that come from being open. They wouldn’t have open source DeepSeek if they didn’t feel that way. DeepSeek is an incredible gift to the world. It saddens me to see many in the US treat DeepSeek with suspicion and conclude that we need to be more restrictive with China. You need a certain amount of trust for any relationship to be successful.
When they are in the economical and political decline they become fragile, frustrated and very sensitive, they lost their orientation and their confidence, and they have no more sense of humor, except their increasing anxiety. When they have problem they always say all are the Chinese, Russian or other country's fault. When they steal and spy they think everyone else is the thief.
All you need are some numbers to pierce the Potemkin Village that is the US. 350M = 4% of global population 1.4B = 20% of global population. 4% thinking they own the very existence of every human on Earth and will control them by force is simply laughed at by the rest of the world. The AI race was just lost, it is now FREE and OPEN SOURCE and in the wild. The only card left in the US deck is to actually try invent real AGI, which is bs, will never happen. AGI = terminator = end of life. Thus, the US is merely in a tail spin of scammy hedge fund pyramid schemes while telling the rest of the world they're "doing it wrong" and will be dealt with by force.
There's a good side to this though, that the Chinese need to be more creative in solving their problem due to the huge constraints imposed on them. This lead to a breakthrough as shown by Deepseek. On the hardware side, hopefully we'll get to see something equally surprising.
是的，本质是世界上不分国别种族的人之间有更绵密的联系，才更有利于繁荣，而这个过程，美国毫无疑问还是最大的赢家。美国当前的许多对外决策，过于注重短期利益而损失中长期利益，只能说不是为国家和人民服务，只是为少数人短期利益出发
And yet China can barely invent anything. They only steal and reverse engineer. I wonder why?
No disrupting at all, rather bursts the AI/GDP bubbles, a healthy action!
American exceptionalism: We rule the world because we are the greatest. Out of the blue, someone pulls the rug from under. Oops, the superiority complex collapses.🤣
Why somebody's success is putting US on edge?
They are cry baby😂😂😂😂😂. China was asking for cooperation but usa always ask for competition. Why cry now
Bully's behavoir. 😢😢😢
US uses Chrome before, now have to use Edge?
Everyone knows Trump is a bully, but not high level only high schools level😂
If DeepSeek R1 helps build an open source, decentralized, and privacy protecting global platform for collective terrestrial intelligence, CTI, I'm all for it. The platform needs to be able to merge, deduplicate, fact check, and aggregate the knowledge and sentiment expressed in public conversations with billions of people around the world. People could access the platform with their phones.
@@johnkintree763 Insightful. You are onto something. We are far from that. We cant even cooperate and we keep leaving orgs or agreements. But ultimately we will need an AI director to manage humanity.
Only the "national security" Americans have "concern" for Deepseek while the rest is happy to see more competition coming
What competition? Competition to charge the AI user less? Competition to make AI lower cost? Competition to make AI affordable by small companies and poor countries?
DeepSeek has destroyed the gigantic profit dream of silicon valley. I really love to see Trump build the $500 billion Stargate and China roll out a cheaper version for the world.
A simple chatbot is triggering the American establishment? Seriously??
Tiananmen Square decades ago or School shootings over the last decade.
Deep Seek says the reason the US has school shootings while the rest of the world doesn't is: High Gun Ownership, Lax Gun Laws, Gun Culture, Individualism vs. Collective Safety, Power of Gun Lobbies, Policy Gridlock, Mental Health Gaps, Social Fragmentation, Sensationalized Coverage & Reactive Measures.
Why so much fear?
Tiananmen Square decades ago or School shootings over the last decade.
Deep Seek says the reason the US has school shootings while the rest of the world doesn't is: High Gun Ownership, Lax Gun Laws, Gun Culture, Individualism vs. Collective Safety, Power of Gun Lobbies, Policy Gridlock, Mental Health Gaps, Social Fragmentation, Sensationalized Coverage & Reactive Measures.
I think OpenAI should be happy, Deepseek provides a new and cheaper learning model for free. Free for them to copy.
Other countries, even EU will not be on the side of the US, unless US companies provide a competitive open source option. Deepseek give very country an opportunity to have their own AI future. The US AI bluff does not mean anything any more.
Nah, EU will slavishly follow the US lead on AI just as they do on Russia, and probably block Chinese AI due to national security. EU and US citizens will pay much higher prices in the end, but that's the price they will always have to pay for geopolitics.
@@bbbbbbears6999 I'm from the EU, cancelled my GPT membership yesterday and switched to DeepSeek, which imho is better. And free. And frankly, I prefer anything coming from China now, since the US is becoming an oligarchy too. Because if I have to choose from two countries with no morals, I prefer to buy from the cheaper one. Most people I talk to are disgusted by what's going on in the US, there not many sympathies. I highly doubt the latest developments will do anything to strengthen EU-US relations. The US is driving the EU away, to whoever is looking less absurd. Which, to be clear, is not a very high bar to jump anymore. China looks a lot more attractive for instance than they did during the last years. India looks awesome. Great democracy compared to the USA.
@@bbbbbbears6999 I am from Canada and i cancelled my ChatGPT subscription too. When i just want general chat with Deepseek i use their app/website. When i do coding and writing, i use Deepseek models hosted on western servers via their APIs.
This is partially to do with data security, but also a lot to do with Deepseek own hosting service getting lots of cyber attacks in the past few days, presumably from Silicon Valley lol.
@@Seriouspatt Your gov will stop you
@ Nah, it won't. Where I live, people don't like to be told what to do and we elect our governments accordingly.
Anyone framing this as US vs China is missing the point. What deepseek did is they showed us hyperscaling isnt the only way to do AI. and everyone is missing this point.
Come on, you need to step up your video and audio quality. It’s very hard to watch
The French AI company Mistral released their " Mistral Large 2" model a few months back. Its about the third of the size of ChatGPT with equal performance. Being that it is much smaller, the next version will undoubtedly be much more sophisticated, whereas ChatGPT is having difficulties growing their model going forward. The Chinese breakthrough will also be a boost for Mistral. So America is looking like the bronze medalist right now.
The French called their AI Minstral? I half respect it, half laugh at it. Very French.
@@michaelwellen2866 Mistral is a wind.
@@majormoolah5056 Is it "mistral" or "minstral"? Either way, I'm liking it more the more I think about it
3 days?
Love your videos, but please improve on the audio quality and especially for the short ones. Thank you for your work
"Puts their relationship on edge" All China did was create a significantly more efficient and thus better product than the U.S. I thought you guys were in favor of free markets?
As the FT says, China's Deepseek innovates, US Openai imitates.
they "innovated" by directly piggybacking off GPT, so not really.
@john_smith_john virtually all AI community agree DeepSeek innovated on algorithms and MoE architecture. ChatGPT is closed, not open source. How can DS piggyback on it ? Is you are saying DS collected totally and massively ChatGPT answers, there would have been a tremendous cost in tokens much much more then their budget. China has more intern users then US and EU combined. Their data is scraped by Wechat, AliBaba, Tencent, and Beidou. They have a huge collection of Chinese journals and books in STEM subjects. And Western data can be bought from legit data brokers. Why copy from a closed system. On top of that ChatGPT does not present its chain of reason process.
Today, Amazon, Meta, Nvidia ... are all hosting DeepSeek and AI academics have nodded their liking. OpenAI is doubtlessly bitter. Do some homework please.
Breakin News : World leaders are congratulating CHINA DEEPSEEK RI for helping the world for FREE!❤❤❤
If ChatGPT is making an A, then Deepseek is already at a B+, judging by the identical questions I've thrown at both and the responses I've received. The Chinese have created an AI with far cheaper chips and far less power consumption...the ball is in ChatGPT and Anthropic to come up with a compelling response for the future. It'll be cool to see, whatever happens.
When you cousin got richer than you and you got a problem with that ( rather than working harder to catch up ) the problem with the whole issue is definitely and with out doubts you.
OMG. Please fire your producer sound man. Audio cutting in and out.
The root cause is that the United States has printed too much money in the past five years, and all of this money has gone into the hands of 1%. They have no place to put it, so they can only invest in the most hyped topic at present, that is, AI. Obviously, they can get the greatest scientific and technological progress and return by investing in China, but they are afraid that China will far surpass them. So they would rather waste money and create a dangerous bubble. But they forget the speed of China. You only need to check the number of high-quality technical papers published by China in the past five years. The scientific and technological explosion in China has not even started, more American bubbles will burst in the future.
They are doing humanlity a big favor by saying think twice before put thousands of nuclear power plants in our home front.
Ian who actually asks the questions
這次是矽谷，上次是華爾街，雷曼兄弟的虛胖
1:45 Yeah we uh, we don't need to see these pictures, Ian.
"The Chinese are way ahead in data."
What does this mean?
Surveillance economy for starters. The best suggestion i can give to an introduction for this---search the podcast History of Philosophy Audio Archive, episode #119. After listening to this and having a bit of an understanding in how the CCP is the worlds largest unofficial corporation and how it utilizes in every aspect its most abundant natural resource which is people; one can extrapolate from there...
IMHO China doesn't have the "pesky" problem of end-user privacy when training. Also China has HUGE datasets due to the sheer volume of users in China & the data they generate. Just my 2 cents.
Canada and Mexico should agree to sell more of their items to china and china sell more of their items to Canada and Mexico to send a message to the US
It appears that Rwanda is backing M23 in DRC, and that Rwanda is in turn being backed by UK/ Europe (esp France)/ ?US. Is this a fair appraisal?
Like they were not already on edge?
Ian was saying recently that the Chinese economy was in trouble. lol
This guy always downplayed China in the past.
It seems that no one knows that China has a lot of AI software long ago, deepseek is just a latecomer! China has many AI software such as Doudou, kimi, Tongyi Qianwen, nano, yuanbao and so on!
Jai Hind. The solution is blowing in the Wind. Eric Schmidt had advocated to bring in All of Indian AI talents.
Is Rwanda responsible for the M23 rebels?, I think Rwanda has some serious issues. New chatbot is just a money saver
The Chinese is surpassing the american led west in just about all realms of human activity.
AI is just one of them. 😂😂😂
Fix your microphone !!!
Trump was trying to "lecture" a reporter that the S in BRICS is for Spain just a few days ago. He's UTTERLY clueless. Stop acting like he's on top of these issues. He's couldn't pay attention long enough to comprehend these complex issues. I gotta stop listening to this.
Dear Ian, isn’t this a pivotal issue resting on a chip manufacturing horizon?
China China China 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
On edge not on Chrome? hahahah
Of course China is ahead in data. It's not like people there can opt out and not have their data used for modeling.
You might want to look at a mirror 😂
@vorlon81 "b-b-but other people are doing it!!!" is what CCP defenders loves to say. Of course, they just do it 10x more lol
@vorlon81 "b-b-but everyone does it!" is a great defense especially when you do it 10x worse than everyone else lol
Angela Dorothea Merkel can opt out and not have her data used for modeling by the Chinese.
Germans can opt out Nord Stream pipes and not have their money used for invading Ukraine.
C H Y N A
So now you finally not pretending us government was and is trying to contain Chinese growth.
Ian, what are the chance of the Chinese Military moving on Taiwan before Trump's incoming government gets organized?
Thanks and love your Show
Eldod
He doesn't know, no one knows. But a definite answer is: when US instigates TW for official independence, that is the time CN finishes the move of unification.
One China Policy was created under Nixon through the Shanghai Communique lmao. America started this mess. And just like their insurance policies they always have fine print. Behavior of a snake.
LMAO. A group of edgy people.
Good work Trump!
Don't forget to hold Trump on his campaign boasts: 1. end RU-UKR war in 1 day; 2. make inflation go down; 3. move manufacturing back; 4. erect border wall. Don't get distracted by the new noises (Panama, Greenland, Canada) none of which will work.
If by good you mean bad, then I agree with you.