*Laughs in full ryzen IPC* Intels compiler forgets AMD supports SSE3. It literally looks up its capabilities, then also looks to see if its a genuine.intel device. Funny things happen when you use agners patch in visual studios for free to performance on a ryzen dressing like its an intel. You just inject a bit of c, and it always returns, yes, im team blue.
omg I used to follow you back in 2015-2016 when you were still called Science Studio and later on Salasar Studio. Hearing your voice and seeing your face again brings me back so much nostalgia. I hope you've been happy throughout all these years on RUclips and not. Wish you the best, man.
@@kurtisrinker1202 Have you seen an R3 3300X in the wild? Not sure I have seen it in stock, ever. ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/NvCFf7/amd-ryzen-3-3300x-38-ghz-quad-core-processor-100-100000159box
Thanks for watching that one! It's one of our more popular videos. But in essence, all Gen 4 does it raise the speed limit, and you'll need a compatible CPU/motherboard for it to work - but the general idea is still the same, so it wouldn't change much about what was said in the video :-)
Maybe I might finally upgrade to a 5900x after all these years of promising my self of getting rid of my 2600k LOL. Last year I claimed i'd upgrade to the 3700x and the year before that I said i'd upgrade to the 2700x. Odds are I may not even upgrade to this one as well LMAO.
So the 3300x was simply a prototype of Zen3 with the IPC of Zen 2 as it's the only processor to have all it's cores on a single ccx. So maybe AMD was testing what would happen if they were to put all cores into 1 ccx?
I'd go as far as to say they were testing the theory from Zen1, but segmented their ideas so that it looks like their momentum will never end. For how good Zen2 is, its easy to see that they handicapped it with that layout. Zen3 layout change wasnt rocket science at all, even the regular consumer that follows tech architecture could hypothesize that this they've done would've made more sense from the get go. AMD could've absolutely destroyed Intel much earlier but they know well what they're doing
@@FeTiProductions it was all about the yealds... They couldn't afford to take on directly, the King. The mind share is the most important thing, not the performance. They will probably increase further more the prices, do to production constraints.
AMD just has the better strategy right now. On top of the superior performance, they have the better customer experience with how much they try to limit socket changes. Intel makes upgrading a pain in the ass because they keep coming out with new sockets.
Besides, there is absolutely no reason for Intel to make so many socket changes since they have been using the exact same architecture and process node for five years. What truly blows my mind, though, is how AMD is able to fit three architectures onto one socket (for desktops and servers, since Zen 2 laptop CPUs use a different socket from Zen and Zen+ laptop CPUs).
I guess Intel's newer chips REALLY need that odd extra pin to stabilise their vcore input to that 678th layer in the chip. Really, REALLY need it. Mmmmhm.
Hi Greg! I have a question. So given that AMD's new Zen 3 Architecture performance boosts in gaming. Does it also translates in content creation? (i.e. 3D Modeling and 3D/Video Rendering). I am very eager to know what are your thoughts about this, since all I read about are gaming benchmarks. How about in 3D modeling/rendering? Or what about the performance of Infinity Cache in content creation? Thanks so much for reading this. :D
One who relies on Cinema 4D and really focuses on Cinebench results the 5000 series is a game changer. I will certainly be an early adopter so long as I can get my hands on a chip.
Coming from the' blue team ' I can honestly say that AMD is on the right track . AMD has bent over backwards for the last 3 years with giving it their all with lower prices and performance compared to blue team leaving our pockets empty.
So Greg do you think that the single ccx cpus (5600x, 5800x) will be better for strictly gaming than the 5900x/5950x? Or do you think despite the latter being 2 ccx (2 cores per disabled for 5900x), their 70mb cache instead of 36 will redeem this latency hit and equalize it
I have a R7 2700x and a RX 5700 xt, when it comes time to upgrade I'm going to be pretty mixed because upgrading both components will definitely be an upgrade, however upgrading one at a time is going to cause an imbalance. I won't be upgrading until next spring into next summer anyway so the launch day crap will long be gone by then and maybe I can find some good deals.
Is there any information why they split the cache on zen & zen 2 in the first place? Now they are saying that this is huge improvement, but this has been usually the standard.
Because 4 core architectures had been the industry touchstone for many years. AMD needed to figure out how to get quad core clusters working well before they had the temerity to finally lump them together into a single, unified 8 core cluster. #LearnToWalkBeforeYouRun
@@mannik8 : 1. They were not multithreaded. 2. The respective pairs of cores had so many shared computational resources between them that whether they counted as separate cores was a dubious matter of opinion. In summary - no, dude: the Bulldozer architecture family didn't really count as 8 cores, just a hybrid quasi 4 core design at best. They were an evolutionary dark alley and, ultimately, a road AMD should never have gone down. 🙄
Zen 3 is definitely a game-changer but I wish AMD gave no reason to choose Intel or NVIDIA. If you want Thunderbolt 3/4, you have to choose Intel. If you want AV1 decoding, PCIe 4.0 in laptops, you have to choose Tiger Lake for now. If you want CUDA and NVENC encoding quality+speed, you have to choose NVIDIA. AMD is not taking some features seriously enough.
I wonder if the Premiere timeline performance will be improved to finally match intel since Zen 3 latency is so much better? Hmmm? This will make me wait and see before I buy a new system for video editing. I have still held off and waiting and still using a 2600k. Newegg has a sale on the 3900x for about $400. It's so tempting but I've seen your video showing the poor Premiere timeline performance with this chip.
cache design is very important. i have a 3900x. i dont need a 5000 series. and i dont even really game much anymore so i definitely dont need an rdna2 card....but guess what? i'm buying both ;)
Could that $50 bump cover them for the potentially lower yields as a result of having to build a relatively large cache right in the middle? If that is damaged, the chip is mostly useless?
What mini itx case would you recomend, that supports 165mm in hight air-cooler, and using just air-cooling system + that supports atx size PSU? Or am I better of with mid-tower case(+ modding it)? What do you think are chances(%), that international (Europe(Croatia)) buyers get their hands on 5900X cpu, and 6800XT gpu before 1 January 2021 ? Thanks :)
I've almost finished my build (only the cpu is missing) and i'm thinking whether or not getting the 3600 or the 5600x paired with the 3070fe for playing in 1080p/240hz mostly
Is 3600mhz ram is still the sweetspot for zen3? Or is it now gonna be 4000mhz like the rumors say...? I want to buy ram asap if possible before it going out of stock everywhere :(
I will be happy to switch to AMD. Right now im using a 10700k @5.2ghz all 8 cores with a RTX2070 Super and 32gb 3600mhz memory. I only have 16mb of cache. I can only imagine how 128mb of cache will change things. I just hope amd gets above 5ghz this round.
It's not the clock speed that matters, it's the IPC and the architecture. If the leaks are true, AMD has a dramatic IPC advantage over Intel with Zen 3. So Ryzen 5000 is able to provide more performance running on lower clock speeds. We had this same thing some 15 years ago, back in Athlon 64 vs Pentium 4 days - Intel managed to reach 3.8Ghz with their fastest P4, yet it wasn't enough to top the performance of fastest Athlon 64, which ran at 2.8GHz (a whole 1GHz difference).
Awesome, compact, informative video Greg, thank you! While I do really dig my 3700x, I cannot ignore outstanding new IPC configuration of the new Zen 3 cpu's coming out. Inspring, to say the least!
@@riba2233 No, I'm going off the fact that Zen 1 had an IF interconnect between the two CCXs on die. I'm questioning if the research in this video is accurate. That would make sense considering L3 data between CCDs is not shared from what I've read. If there was no crossbar than there would be no Inter CCX L3 sharing
@@riba2233 I did watch it, it's a high level overview of the restructure, we already knew the details that video went over. And I'm not talking about Zen 3 either, I'm talking about Zen 2. Zen 3 wouldn't need a crossbar between CCXs inside a CCD since it's just 8 cores and a single L3 cache. I follow this stuff closely
I don't, though what I will say is that I'd put my hope and faith in TSMC over Samsung when it comes to third-party, large-scale manufacturing processes.
@@GregSalazar That sounds reasonably optimistic. I've been holding off on upgrading my 2700, figuring that on Thursday I can come out of it with a shiny Zen 3, or a discounted 3900x given the early black friday deals so...i win either way. Given that I'm building this for destiny 2 which is highly CPU dependent, I'll be interested to see how it runs.
@@adhoc302 I'm still rocking my 2700x/5700xt playing d2 at 1440p high settings. I want to upgrade as well but only doing so when my rig can't run 1440p at 60 fps anymore.
What I wonder about is the 5600x is about the same price as a 3700x or even a 3800xt with a good discount. (The 5600x isn't going to get discounted for at least a bit but I just got a 3800xt for a few dollars over $300.) How does the 5600x's performance compare to the similarly priced chip? (I'd guess better single threaded and similar multithreaded performance but how much different?)
A friend of Buildzoid's got his hands on a 5600X through ebay, and the thing overclocks way, way better than Zen 2 on air alone. The sc and mc scores he was getting were nuts.
@@txktik2765 whole new pc, I have the one now with 7700k but it's time for a upgrade. The 4 cores are not cutting it anymore. I have already been ordering parts. Just missing a few things like rads, hard line, fittings ect. I have lot of it, just have plan how I'm going to do my runs
It would seem that the IO die being the same between the 5000 series chips and the 3000 series chips means the Infinity Fabric still hits a hard wall at 1900 MHz, and that's still pretty difficult to achieve. Pretty much, what applied for Ryzen 3000 series still applies for Ryzen 5000 series as far as ideal RAM speeds and timings. If you've got something like a 3200 CL14 kit or a 3600 CL16 kit you should be fine.
So, Latency specs are in from the 5600x, exact same laency as the 3300x. So its as expected with a single CCD. Around 45ns. Shame about having the same memory controller as Zen 2, but probably every 5000 series chip should be able to hit 1900 fclk.
"...Zen 3 has finally allowed AMD to climax..." should we expect a baby in 9 months? Jk I am excited for their new CPUs & GPUs to be honest. Competition is a great thing. Thanks for the video!
The only ironical and sneaky side though: Zen3 is actually the last generation of Ryzen CPUs which will be compatible with AM4 socket, which means you are buying a CPU with no upgrade path in term of motherboards...
It's probably because it just smashes intel while intel ruled the market for so long. And overall, I'd assume that it has newer internals and lower latency. I also assume that amd included the cs:go and league of legends just for marketing. No one is buying these processors and gpus for just league of legends or cs:go.
@@erichall090909 Eh. It just feels like marketing more than anything. To make it seems like their processor is better by saying it's up to x percent better than their last gen
@@cookie7993 that’s usually how they are marketed. This cpu is better than the last one. How else does one market a cpu lol. It’s x% better than our last one and x% better than the competitor
Well looks like I may be returning my 3900xt for the Zen3 5900x , all be it for about another c note in cost ; as Iam going to have the chip for sometime to come .......
AMD should continue to innovate because when Intel coming back they punch really hard. It takes 15 years for AMD to dethrone Intel in gaming and productivity. AMD really got hurt when core 2 duo released in 2005, their CEO then brought AMD to the brink of bankruptcy because that former CEO made AMD swayed away from their original direction. Luckily, Lisa Su came and took over the leadership. She brought AMD back to its fundamentals: making high performance CPU. Lisa Su unifies the company to compete and push the limit toward one ultimate goal. Unlike AMD, right now Intel suffers from power struggle between CEOs. This leadership crisis puts Intel in a difficult time resulting AMD takes over Intel's market step by step.
Intel has the best designs, but bad management makes them stale nowadays. Zen 3 internally is kinda like Sandy Bridge or Haswell with a giant amount of cache. I will always prefer Ring Bus overall but i like how AMD is learning from team blue and adding what they know better than anyone (multithread perfomance).
@@saricubra2867 Not another Sandy Bridge, Zen architecture is completely different from Intel's. Lisa Su is extremely ambitious, she will never stop pushing AMD's engineers to innovate. Asian CEO is very different from western CEO. When Asian people become a CEO, they will take competition seriously to the heart, it becomes very personal, they will compete like crazy and start to hate the competitor. AMD's gain for dethroning Intel for now is the result of Su's personal ambition. This is a typical Asian CEO. Nvidia has an Asian CEO too, you can see he never stops competing, Nvidia never becomes lazy like Intel when they on the top.
@@ArturoTabera they have ray tracing now, they have their version of dlss though it is new so need to see how it does, and they have their version of gsync. Cuda acceleration is important for some people tho, nvenc is kinda important but CPUs can usually stream without the need for it.
depends on your use case, in case on amd gpus you'll loose some features like nvenk encoder and rtx voice but gain price to performance in normal gaming and a slightly less stable software experience. In case of cpus, you'll loose nothing but intel quick sync but the performance and price to performance far out weights that. As for gsync nvidia and amd use same tech now except for nvidia's super expensive gsync ultimate
We'll see when third party reviewers get their hands on the AMD 5000 series sku's, but it does look promising. I just hope it isn't overhyped now, because making Intel squirm will force better research and development. That would be fortuitous for consumers.
I bought a ryzen 7 2700x a few months ago for my build. It's gonna suffice for the next 3 years imma be getting the 5000 series after that XD by then scalpers ain't gonna be hunting them anymore
Why would u wanna buy a 5000 series 3 yrs from now... that's like u buyin a 1600x in 2020 when there's a 5600x 😒. Technology advances fast, by that time jus get urself a zen6 instead of an ancient zen3.
@@t.n.9508 why i would do that? Because I can't afford scalper prices. Not everyone earns over 400€ a month sorry that i disappoint you with my non-existent wealth (: Seriously though one very easy answer as to why i would the cpus that are currently going to be new in 3 years is just that by then. The prices have dropped and scalpers will no longer target it and you would still be able to buy it new. I always take my time with generations and the only NEW game i have in my steam library is phasmophobia the most taxing game i have is heavily modded skyrim so ye.. I'm happy with what i have atm and as long as I don't earn at least 3x the minimum wage a month I ain't gonna get "the newest of the newest" it's literally the same reason as to why people buy used cars instead of buying new ones. Because for one the prices drop over time and for 2 as soon as you leave the car dealership with your new car it's gonna drop in value with every kilometer/mile you drive abd i doubt that modern cars will be much sought-after in 10 or 15 years at least not in the same fashion as old-timers from the 60s - 80s.
@@norjia Bruh, give it a few months after release and stocks will be plentiful. This scalping business only happens at launch, not like it's gonna last for yrs. But hey, I would understand if u got bills to pay, then yea go for sumthin on sale from previous gen. But if u got the money I dont see why anyone would buy outdated stuff from years ago. That's my point.
@@t.n.9508 once more. I only earn 400€ a month. Again.. a MONTH not a week. Not a day, a month. One of those things is gonna be about 350€ MSRP over here though if you really wanna see bad prices take a look at what facebook is asking MSRP for their new vr headset ya know.. the one for $299 US Just a measly 499€, the equivalent of about $590 US (: hardware is expensive here and that's just because big corporations like AMD, NVIDIA and facebook still think we're much, much richer than americans wich in most cases is waaaaay off. I mean sure my hourly wage might be more than the minimum hourly wage in some american states but i have restrictions on the times i am allowed to work. Restrictions set by law not by the company i work for. I am not allowed to work more than 40 hours per month. Which on one hand is great cause it gives me more time for stuff like games but on the other hand is shite cause I can't earn more even if i wanted to. Unless i want to stick around where i live right now for the next 5 years. (Which I don't)
@@andydbedford It's just pathetic watching all the console peasants come over and start flinging poop in the pc build space, 5 years ago you only saw that level of infantilism between the two major consoles. Obviously they went for the cheaper of the two options and ignored the performance loss and now with Zen3 AMD purportedly competes 1:1 with Intel in gaming and the peasants are having their hay-day. I guess anyone could have saw this coming really.
Can we just wait until actual benchmarks and detailed reviews are out to judge Zen 3? It seems that like never before there is way too much speculation before product is even out.
The delineation between threadripper and zen isn't really core count although there is a difference. Threadripper is as I understand it more about the IO and memory support for workstations. Intel HEDT has chips that are outdone by AM4 chips. I think it's more accurate to say AMD made HEDT more of a professional purchase. Since enthusiasts or semi professionals can get high core count high performance CPUs on a consumer platform like AM4.
No matter turns out to be true if they keep improving and offering those improvements at a fair price as they have been I’ll remain so impressed by AMD! I have been for a few years now, despite still using an i7 6700K.. that CPU retailed new for over $300 and yet, with more cores AMD is able to offer CPUs priced less and are much newer. This all taking place while Intel priced very high.
AMD jacked up the prices knowing they'll be on top until Intel comes with rocket lake. I hope rocket lake turns this around so they drop the prices to what they're worth.
Intel could still be recommendable if they drop prices and become the budget option while they get their shit together (like that'll happen, lmao). Still, people need to remember that Intel's floundering is probably temporary, and, if it last for long enough, AMD will be in Intel's position and may start bumping prices. We should WANT Intel to have a competitive answer soon, even if it feels good to see them in hot water right now.
What do you think AMD is going to do with their 2 and 4 core CPUs? Use an 8 core CCX and fuse off 4 or 6 cores? That seems very wasteful. Maybe they're going to use something like a Zen 2 CCX for their 4 core models?
Dear Intel and Nvidia, Im currently on to market for a COMPLETE new system upgrade. In the past I would have had the upgraded unit done and dusted by now but AMD this year could have potentially won this consumer wallet on both the CPU and GPU front.
Honestly people shifted to AMD because price and performance. Even if a 3900x couldnt game as hard as an intel chip it doesnt matter. People like flexability. If i mostly just game and do other things id rather a %10 less frames in gaming for a way faster pc everywhere else! And everyone seems to think the same.
One day we'll be able to install Crysis on CPU cache.
Edram iris pro is that you 7 generations ago?
Poor actionless intel.
Introducing refrigeration compatible case components. While supplies last.
*Laughs in full ryzen IPC*
Intels compiler forgets AMD supports SSE3. It literally looks up its capabilities, then also looks to see if its a genuine.intel device.
Funny things happen when you use agners patch in visual studios for free to performance on a ryzen dressing like its an intel. You just inject a bit of c, and it always returns, yes, im team blue.
You can run windows XP on CPU cache alone
Give it time. My first family PC had a 64MB hard drive.
omg I used to follow you back in 2015-2016 when you were still called Science Studio and later on Salasar Studio.
Hearing your voice and seeing your face again brings me back so much nostalgia.
I hope you've been happy throughout all these years on RUclips and not. Wish you the best, man.
your comment made me notice that he isn't science studio anymore lol
I remember him back then, he's come into his own so well.
Me: I need a 6900xt and a 5900x and then I’m done I swear....
My wallet: (X) Doubt
That's what I'm trying to tell my wife...… she knows I'm full of shit but I still believe in it :P
bruh same here. At least for another 3 years :V
@@claireeeX Got my wife to agree that I should buy a new monitor. Currently on. 1080p 144hz and I want to upgrade to 1440p 144hz.
@@NewkLambesis Why do you need your wife’s permission if it’s your money?
@@ZackSNetwork it's 'their' money, because they're married
Can't wait for scalpers to mark these processors up when they come out.
probably won't happen with cpus
I'd have to agree on the past cpu supply from AMD has been pretty good so not much point to scalp them since anyone should be able to get them.
Or better yet, CAN wait, because zen 2 is just fine ^_^
It's very easy to wait until B450 chipset gets the bios update.
I wouldn't worry. We knew months in advance Nvidia had no plans to have supply.
@@kurtisrinker1202 Have you seen an R3 3300X in the wild? Not sure I have seen it in stock, ever. ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/NvCFf7/amd-ryzen-3-3300x-38-ghz-quad-core-processor-100-100000159box
Yo just watched ur ssd video talking abt the different types from 2 or so years ago. You should do an updated one now with pcie gen 4.
Thanks for watching that one! It's one of our more popular videos. But in essence, all Gen 4 does it raise the speed limit, and you'll need a compatible CPU/motherboard for it to work - but the general idea is still the same, so it wouldn't change much about what was said in the video :-)
Maybe I might finally upgrade to a 5900x after all these years of promising my self of getting rid of my 2600k LOL. Last year I claimed i'd upgrade to the 3700x and the year before that I said i'd upgrade to the 2700x. Odds are I may not even upgrade to this one as well LMAO.
Same ive been delaying my upgrades, i still use the ryzen 7 1800
I have the 2700X it's great... Had it from new.
Doing more research now as I _still_ spend most of my time using an Ivy Bridge CPU. Lol
So the 3300x was simply a prototype of Zen3 with the IPC of Zen 2 as it's the only processor to have all it's cores on a single ccx. So maybe AMD was testing what would happen if they were to put all cores into 1 ccx?
I'd go as far as to say they were testing the theory from Zen1, but segmented their ideas so that it looks like their momentum will never end. For how good Zen2 is, its easy to see that they handicapped it with that layout. Zen3 layout change wasnt rocket science at all, even the regular consumer that follows tech architecture could hypothesize that this they've done would've made more sense from the get go. AMD could've absolutely destroyed Intel much earlier but they know well what they're doing
@@FeTiProductions it was all about the yealds... They couldn't afford to take on directly, the King.
The mind share is the most important thing, not the performance.
They will probably increase further more the prices, do to production constraints.
I just know when those AMD becnhmarks show up, it's gonna be like Threadripper 3.
Wait until Threadripper 5000 launches... it’s gonna be a BANGER!
Z3N
They missed an opportunity there
? They literally did this in the keynote :-D
Check 0:06
If the Alien dude were still alive, he would be saying game over, man.
Hicks. 👍
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm a big fan of Intel's Quick Sync abilities for video editing. It makes a big difference. If AMD cokes out with something similar I'll jump ship.
Very informative, thanks.
Thanks for watching!
AMD just has the better strategy right now. On top of the superior performance, they have the better customer experience with how much they try to limit socket changes. Intel makes upgrading a pain in the ass because they keep coming out with new sockets.
Besides, there is absolutely no reason for Intel to make so many socket changes since they have been using the exact same architecture and process node for five years. What truly blows my mind, though, is how AMD is able to fit three architectures onto one socket (for desktops and servers, since Zen 2 laptop CPUs use a different socket from Zen and Zen+ laptop CPUs).
I guess Intel's newer chips REALLY need that odd extra pin to stabilise their vcore input to that 678th layer in the chip. Really, REALLY need it. Mmmmhm.
Thats right
4:15 I think you forgot that Threadripper exists.
Well no.
They still use the same method for desktop and server parts whereas intel use ringbus and mesh
Thanks for making it so I can understand why theres such a big difference in performance.
Excellent explanation of the performance analysis involved with these! Very cool to see how Zen 3 improves on this. The gain charts are impressive!
Hi Greg! I have a question. So given that AMD's new Zen 3 Architecture performance boosts in gaming. Does it also translates in content creation? (i.e. 3D Modeling and 3D/Video Rendering). I am very eager to know what are your thoughts about this, since all I read about are gaming benchmarks. How about in 3D modeling/rendering? Or what about the performance of Infinity Cache in content creation? Thanks so much for reading this. :D
One who relies on Cinema 4D and really focuses on Cinebench results the 5000 series is a game changer. I will certainly be an early adopter so long as I can get my hands on a chip.
4:45 What's the meaning of this slide? It shows that 3800X performs equally to 5800X.
That was a great explanation of how the CPU works easy to grasp. I miss ya Science Studio old channel name before where you did these kind of things.
Woaw.. it's Gordan Freeman 😮
Coming from the' blue team ' I can honestly say that AMD is on the right track . AMD has bent over backwards for the last 3 years with giving it their all with lower prices and performance compared to blue team leaving our pockets empty.
U in team red yet?
Do you recommend the UNIFY, MEG ACE, or AORUS MASTER? Can't decide.... going with the ACE i think.
A little old school Science Studio flavor to this video. This type of video is why I subbed
So Greg do you think that the single ccx cpus (5600x, 5800x) will be better for strictly gaming than the 5900x/5950x? Or do you think despite the latter being 2 ccx (2 cores per disabled for 5900x), their 70mb cache instead of 36 will redeem this latency hit and equalize it
Greg, when does the review embargo for Zen 3 lift?
I have a R7 2700x and a RX 5700 xt, when it comes time to upgrade I'm going to be pretty mixed because upgrading both components will definitely be an upgrade, however upgrading one at a time is going to cause an imbalance. I won't be upgrading until next spring into next summer anyway so the launch day crap will long be gone by then and maybe I can find some good deals.
That‘s my plan too, but I have just a Vega 64 instead a rx 5700xt.
Do i buy a 3700x in black friday or wait for the 5600
Is there any information why they split the cache on zen & zen 2 in the first place? Now they are saying that this is huge improvement, but this has been usually the standard.
Because 4 core architectures had been the industry touchstone for many years. AMD needed to figure out how to get quad core clusters working well before they had the temerity to finally lump them together into a single, unified 8 core cluster. #LearnToWalkBeforeYouRun
@@Bobcat665 AMD already had 8-core architectures and I don't think that they were split.
@@mannik8 :
1. They were not multithreaded.
2. The respective pairs of cores had so many shared computational resources between them that whether they counted as separate cores was a dubious matter of opinion.
In summary - no, dude: the Bulldozer architecture family didn't really count as 8 cores, just a hybrid quasi 4 core design at best. They were an evolutionary dark alley and, ultimately, a road AMD should never have gone down. 🙄
Zen 3 is definitely a game-changer but I wish AMD gave no reason to choose Intel or NVIDIA. If you want Thunderbolt 3/4, you have to choose Intel. If you want AV1 decoding, PCIe 4.0 in laptops, you have to choose Tiger Lake for now. If you want CUDA and NVENC encoding quality+speed, you have to choose NVIDIA. AMD is not taking some features seriously enough.
I wonder if the Premiere timeline performance will be improved to finally match intel since Zen 3 latency is so much better? Hmmm? This will make me wait and see before I buy a new system for video editing. I have still held off and waiting and still using a 2600k. Newegg has a sale on the 3900x for about $400. It's so tempting but I've seen your video showing the poor Premiere timeline performance with this chip.
cache design is very important. i have a 3900x. i dont need a 5000 series. and i dont even really game much anymore so i definitely dont need an rdna2 card....but guess what? i'm buying both ;)
Could that $50 bump cover them for the potentially lower yields as a result of having to build a relatively large cache right in the middle? If that is damaged, the chip is mostly useless?
Going to a single manufacturer would be bad for everyone - it is the market competition that brings innovation.
Are reviews going out the day of launch or a day or two before hand?
What mini itx case would you recomend, that supports 165mm in hight air-cooler, and using just air-cooling system + that supports atx size PSU?
Or am I better of with mid-tower case(+ modding it)?
What do you think are chances(%), that international (Europe(Croatia)) buyers get their hands on 5900X cpu, and 6800XT gpu before 1 January 2021 ?
Thanks :)
Where do I even buy a ryzen 5 5600x, I can't even find websites that say coming soon or anything
I've almost finished my build (only the cpu is missing) and i'm thinking whether or not getting the 3600 or the 5600x paired with the 3070fe for playing in 1080p/240hz mostly
That Ryzen 7 5700x looks Wicked 🎃
Is 3600mhz ram is still the sweetspot for zen3? Or is it now gonna be 4000mhz like the rumors say...? I want to buy ram asap if possible before it going out of stock everywhere :(
I will be happy to switch to AMD. Right now im using a 10700k @5.2ghz all 8 cores with a RTX2070 Super and 32gb 3600mhz memory. I only have 16mb of cache. I can only imagine how 128mb of cache will change things. I just hope amd gets above 5ghz this round.
It's not the clock speed that matters, it's the IPC and the architecture. If the leaks are true, AMD has a dramatic IPC advantage over Intel with Zen 3. So Ryzen 5000 is able to provide more performance running on lower clock speeds. We had this same thing some 15 years ago, back in Athlon 64 vs Pentium 4 days - Intel managed to reach 3.8Ghz with their fastest P4, yet it wasn't enough to top the performance of fastest Athlon 64, which ran at 2.8GHz (a whole 1GHz difference).
Awesome, compact, informative video Greg, thank you! While I do really dig my 3700x, I cannot ignore outstanding new IPC configuration of the new Zen 3 cpu's coming out. Inspring, to say the least!
This is super helpful to show to friends getting into this space to explain what the big deal is. Thanks!
Thanks for the support!
So if all cores have direct access to the same cache does that mean that Zen 3 CPU's won't be as impacted by RAM speed and timings as Zen 2?
Ram speed is still important because of the infinity fabric :)
I'd like to know the drawbacks of unifying the cpu cache.
Purely for gaming, a 5800X is good right? Was looking at the 5900X, but seems overkill. Or any other suggestions and please mention why?
yes thats fine it will perform better then the other chips
I'm pretty sure the 2 CCXs inside a CCD have a crossbar infinity fabric interconnect, so it doesn't have to go through the IOD. For zen 2
You know better than AMD engineer?
@@riba2233 No, I'm going off the fact that Zen 1 had an IF interconnect between the two CCXs on die. I'm questioning if the research in this video is accurate.
That would make sense considering L3 data between CCDs is not shared from what I've read. If there was no crossbar than there would be no Inter CCX L3 sharing
@@Jaker788 omg just watch the video amd posted today, it is only 5 min long and easy to understand
@@riba2233 I did watch it, it's a high level overview of the restructure, we already knew the details that video went over. And I'm not talking about Zen 3 either, I'm talking about Zen 2. Zen 3 wouldn't need a crossbar between CCXs inside a CCD since it's just 8 cores and a single L3 cache.
I follow this stuff closely
greg, have you got any clues as to whether Zen 3 is going to have any considerable supply issues on thursday?
I don't, though what I will say is that I'd put my hope and faith in TSMC over Samsung when it comes to third-party, large-scale manufacturing processes.
@@GregSalazar That sounds reasonably optimistic. I've been holding off on upgrading my 2700, figuring that on Thursday I can come out of it with a shiny Zen 3, or a discounted 3900x given the early black friday deals so...i win either way. Given that I'm building this for destiny 2 which is highly CPU dependent, I'll be interested to see how it runs.
@@adhoc302 I'm still rocking my 2700x/5700xt playing d2 at 1440p high settings. I want to upgrade as well but only doing so when my rig can't run 1440p at 60 fps anymore.
Greg, do you think it worth upgrading from a 3950x to a 5900x ?
Your question is too vague. I've no idea for what you intend to use the CPU.
What I wonder about is the 5600x is about the same price as a 3700x or even a 3800xt with a good discount. (The 5600x isn't going to get discounted for at least a bit but I just got a 3800xt for a few dollars over $300.) How does the 5600x's performance compare to the similarly priced chip? (I'd guess better single threaded and similar multithreaded performance but how much different?)
A friend of Buildzoid's got his hands on a 5600X through ebay, and the thing overclocks way, way better than Zen 2 on air alone. The sc and mc scores he was getting were nuts.
Any idea when it will actually be available (on the 5th)?
Building a 5900x with 6800x with full blown water cooling. Gonna be a BEAST, when I get my hands on the two crucial parts.
My plan as well, so ready to upgrade!
will you build a complete new PC or just upgrade these two components?
@@txktik2765 whole new pc, I have the one now with 7700k but it's time for a upgrade. The 4 cores are not cutting it anymore. I have already been ordering parts. Just missing a few things like rads, hard line, fittings ect. I have lot of it, just have plan how I'm going to do my runs
Getting myself a second hand AMD build off eBay tomorrow, finally upgrading from my i7 3770k... the first time my build has gone AMD cpu.
Excellent concise explanation Greg
Thanks for watching! I appreciate it.
So where do you think the sweet spot for ram speeds this time will be? Maybe 3800 or 4000mz?
It would seem that the IO die being the same between the 5000 series chips and the 3000 series chips means the Infinity Fabric still hits a hard wall at 1900 MHz, and that's still pretty difficult to achieve. Pretty much, what applied for Ryzen 3000 series still applies for Ryzen 5000 series as far as ideal RAM speeds and timings. If you've got something like a 3200 CL14 kit or a 3600 CL16 kit you should be fine.
@@Karashata Oh, I would've expected faster speeds from better core to core latencies
When zen3 embargo lift?
So, Latency specs are in from the 5600x, exact same laency as the 3300x. So its as expected with a single CCD. Around 45ns. Shame about having the same memory controller as Zen 2, but probably every 5000 series chip should be able to hit 1900 fclk.
Hey Greg, if you mind can you put the subtitles below?
whens the nda up for 5000?
"...Zen 3 has finally allowed AMD to climax..." should we expect a baby in 9 months? Jk
I am excited for their new CPUs & GPUs to be honest. Competition is a great thing.
Thanks for the video!
Maybe the baby will be Zen 4 on 5nm, supporting ddr5 and on am5?
The only ironical and sneaky side though: Zen3 is actually the last generation of Ryzen CPUs which will be compatible with AM4 socket, which means you are buying a CPU with no upgrade path in term of motherboards...
Can't wait for the reviews!
WHEN ZEN 3 REVIEWS WILL BE OUT ?
It's probably because it just smashes intel while intel ruled the market for so long. And overall, I'd assume that it has newer internals and lower latency. I also assume that amd included the cs:go and league of legends just for marketing. No one is buying these processors and gpus for just league of legends or cs:go.
esports? high fps?
Csgo pros do.
@@erichall090909 Eh. It just feels like marketing more than anything. To make it seems like their processor is better by saying it's up to x percent better than their last gen
@@ajs0350 feels more like marketing "x percent better" if anything.
@@cookie7993 that’s usually how they are marketed. This cpu is better than the last one. How else does one market a cpu lol. It’s x% better than our last one and x% better than the competitor
$50 more expensive than the 3600 but you get a 10900K performance. Yeah the 5600X is the next price to performance king.
Well looks like I may be returning my 3900xt for the Zen3 5900x , all be it for about another c note in cost ; as Iam going to have the chip for sometime to come .......
I hope AMD releases the non-X skus in line with the upcoming B450 mobo updates in January
5600 non x will be $220 if you wait
@@tnix80 Waiting for a 3700X replacement actually
@@TacticalPower88 5600 is better, but ok
@@tnix80 5700x is going to be even better
I will be looking for how the performance of the 5900X compares to the 3950X, as well as how the 5600X compares to the 3700X/3800X.
Still using a ridiculously powerful mobile i7-4700MQ from 7/8 years ago. 3-3.4GHz all cores, bigger singlethread than Sandy Bridge.
AMD should continue to innovate because when Intel coming back they punch really hard. It takes 15 years for AMD to dethrone Intel in gaming and productivity. AMD really got hurt when core 2 duo released in 2005, their CEO then brought AMD to the brink of bankruptcy because that former CEO made AMD swayed away from their original direction. Luckily, Lisa Su came and took over the leadership. She brought AMD back to its fundamentals: making high performance CPU. Lisa Su unifies the company to compete and push the limit toward one ultimate goal. Unlike AMD, right now Intel suffers from power struggle between CEOs. This leadership crisis puts Intel in a difficult time resulting AMD takes over Intel's market step by step.
Intel has the best designs, but bad management makes them stale nowadays.
Zen 3 internally is kinda like Sandy Bridge or Haswell with a giant amount of cache. I will always prefer Ring Bus overall but i like how AMD is learning from team blue and adding what they know better than anyone (multithread perfomance).
@@saricubra2867 Not another Sandy Bridge, Zen architecture is completely different from Intel's. Lisa Su is extremely ambitious, she will never stop pushing AMD's engineers to innovate. Asian CEO is very different from western CEO. When Asian people become a CEO, they will take competition seriously to the heart, it becomes very personal, they will compete like crazy and start to hate the competitor. AMD's gain for dethroning Intel for now is the result of Su's personal ambition. This is a typical Asian CEO. Nvidia has an Asian CEO too, you can see he never stops competing, Nvidia never becomes lazy like Intel when they on the top.
Are there any downsides to going with AMD?
no CUDA in Productivity Tools, no RTX in Games, no DLSS2.0 in Games, no shadowplay, no nvenc encoder, no gsync.
@@ArturoTabera they have ray tracing now, they have their version of dlss though it is new so need to see how it does, and they have their version of gsync. Cuda acceleration is important for some people tho, nvenc is kinda important but CPUs can usually stream without the need for it.
depends on your use case, in case on amd gpus you'll loose some features like nvenk encoder and rtx voice but gain price to performance in normal gaming and a slightly less stable software experience. In case of cpus, you'll loose nothing but intel quick sync but the performance and price to performance far out weights that. As for gsync nvidia and amd use same tech now except for nvidia's super expensive gsync ultimate
For the CPU side, they are way better than Intel. More features and everything so no downsides
@@homejain4135 thank you
I have a 3700x so I'm I really don't think an upgrade would benefit me. But I think someone coming from Zen 1 would. Ryzen continues to impress.
Hopefully, I can snag one on Thursday. Does anyone know what time they release
Might be 6am PST / 9am EST. Not 100% sure, just going off of previous release times on NewEgg.
I have 3900x, but if bench is actually correct, I am impressed, and probably going to switch to either 5900x or 5950x
"maybe you've seen our review..." I see what you did there 😉
What _did_ he do?
@@WilliamChoochootrain I think he was just future proofing his video
Great video Greg.
We'll see when third party reviewers get their hands on the AMD 5000 series sku's, but it does look promising. I just hope it isn't overhyped now, because making Intel squirm will force better research and development. That would be fortuitous for consumers.
Me - *Doesn't understand anything about architecture*
Me - so you mean it's fast?
I bought a ryzen 7 2700x a few months ago for my build. It's gonna suffice for the next 3 years imma be getting the 5000 series after that XD by then scalpers ain't gonna be hunting them anymore
Why would u wanna buy a 5000 series 3 yrs from now... that's like u buyin a 1600x in 2020 when there's a 5600x 😒. Technology advances fast, by that time jus get urself a zen6 instead of an ancient zen3.
@@t.n.9508 why i would do that? Because I can't afford scalper prices.
Not everyone earns over 400€ a month sorry that i disappoint you with my non-existent wealth (:
Seriously though one very easy answer as to why i would the cpus that are currently going to be new in 3 years is just that by then. The prices have dropped and scalpers will no longer target it and you would still be able to buy it new. I always take my time with generations and the only NEW game i have in my steam library is phasmophobia the most taxing game i have is heavily modded skyrim so ye.. I'm happy with what i have atm and as long as I don't earn at least 3x the minimum wage a month I ain't gonna get "the newest of the newest" it's literally the same reason as to why people buy used cars instead of buying new ones. Because for one the prices drop over time and for 2 as soon as you leave the car dealership with your new car it's gonna drop in value with every kilometer/mile you drive abd i doubt that modern cars will be much sought-after in 10 or 15 years at least not in the same fashion as old-timers from the 60s - 80s.
@@norjia Bruh, give it a few months after release and stocks will be plentiful. This scalping business only happens at launch, not like it's gonna last for yrs. But hey, I would understand if u got bills to pay, then yea go for sumthin on sale from previous gen. But if u got the money I dont see why anyone would buy outdated stuff from years ago. That's my point.
@@t.n.9508 once more. I only earn 400€ a month. Again.. a MONTH not a week. Not a day, a month. One of those things is gonna be about 350€ MSRP over here though if you really wanna see bad prices take a look at what facebook is asking MSRP for their new vr headset ya know.. the one for $299 US
Just a measly 499€, the equivalent of about $590 US (: hardware is expensive here and that's just because big corporations like AMD, NVIDIA and facebook still think we're much, much richer than americans wich in most cases is waaaaay off. I mean sure my hourly wage might be more than the minimum hourly wage in some american states but i have restrictions on the times i am allowed to work. Restrictions set by law not by the company i work for.
I am not allowed to work more than 40 hours per month. Which on one hand is great cause it gives me more time for stuff like games but on the other hand is shite cause I can't earn more even if i wanted to. Unless i want to stick around where i live right now for the next 5 years. (Which I don't)
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Wow last itme I was this early Intel was actually relevant and making cpu's consumers cared about.
Honestly, the worst part of AMD is their consumer base and subreddit
@@Azerkeux Well if thats the worst part then dam, intel are really screwed.
@@andydbedford It's just pathetic watching all the console peasants come over and start flinging poop in the pc build space, 5 years ago you only saw that level of infantilism between the two major consoles. Obviously they went for the cheaper of the two options and ignored the performance loss and now with Zen3 AMD purportedly competes 1:1 with Intel in gaming and the peasants are having their hay-day. I guess anyone could have saw this coming really.
When is review day?
Can we just wait until actual benchmarks and detailed reviews are out to judge Zen 3? It seems that like never before there is way too much speculation before product is even out.
AMD didn't seek to unify HEDT, they still have the threadripper series?
The delineation between threadripper and zen isn't really core count although there is a difference. Threadripper is as I understand it more about the IO and memory support for workstations. Intel HEDT has chips that are outdone by AM4 chips. I think it's more accurate to say AMD made HEDT more of a professional purchase. Since enthusiasts or semi professionals can get high core count high performance CPUs on a consumer platform like AM4.
Well they did NULLIFY Intels HEDT with AM4 but TR4 is more than higher core count like VizardPhoenix said.
They use the same technology for sll their chips outside of laptops.
Intel uses mesh and ring bus depending on desktop vs hedt/server
Let's the competition begins!
let's learn english!
No matter turns out to be true if they keep improving and offering those improvements at a fair price as they have been I’ll remain so impressed by AMD! I have been for a few years now, despite still using an i7 6700K.. that CPU retailed new for over $300 and yet, with more cores AMD is able to offer CPUs priced less and are much newer. This all taking place while Intel priced very high.
Main rig is running a 3600 and price/value/performance couldn't be happier.
I really hope that the dorks at UserBenchmark will finally shut up about Ryzen memory latency being soo bad and more cores being soo insignificant.
Will make next to no difference unless you're playing at like 1080p 200fps. I'm more excited for price drops on zen 2.
Will make a difference at 1440p as well for people with high end graphics cards.
Maybe if 3080 was obtainable.
@@Burdman660 I mean I have a 2080ti and I have a cpu bottleneck on some games, the new AMD gpus will have it in some games.
@@Burdman660 there are quite a few games that are cpu bottlenecks at 1440p. It’s not that uncommon
A lot of people don't have a 2080ti. I believe the 1060 still dominates steam survey.
AMD jacked up the prices knowing they'll be on top until Intel comes with rocket lake. I hope rocket lake turns this around so they drop the prices to what they're worth.
Stop whining
Intel could still be recommendable if they drop prices and become the budget option while they get their shit together (like that'll happen, lmao). Still, people need to remember that Intel's floundering is probably temporary, and, if it last for long enough, AMD will be in Intel's position and may start bumping prices. We should WANT Intel to have a competitive answer soon, even if it feels good to see them in hot water right now.
wtf that thumbnail
made ya look
Lmao why his eyes look like that, good laugh
Game Changer = Face Changer
What do you think AMD is going to do with their 2 and 4 core CPUs? Use an 8 core CCX and fuse off 4 or 6 cores? That seems very wasteful. Maybe they're going to use something like a Zen 2 CCX for their 4 core models?
What 2 and 4 core cpus.
The yields are way to high
when will these gonna release?
in 2 days
@@RandomlyDrumming thank you
@@iExpertxC4x u'r welcome :)
Greg rocks, science studio 4 life
I feel like I just took a speed course in rocket science
Dear Intel and Nvidia, Im currently on to market for a COMPLETE new system upgrade. In the past I would have had the upgraded unit done and dusted by now but AMD this year could have potentially won this consumer wallet on both the CPU and GPU front.
Officially, you're one of my favorite RUclipsrs out here!
Honestly people shifted to AMD because price and performance. Even if a 3900x couldnt game as hard as an intel chip it doesnt matter. People like flexability. If i mostly just game and do other things id rather a %10 less frames in gaming for a way faster pc everywhere else! And everyone seems to think the same.