Somebody in the Discord made a good point about me (accidentally) excluding the FO32U2 from the conclusion: At $1099, its a VERY attractive way to get into this format. If you've concluded that DP2.1 isn't a big deal to you, its an easy W versus the PG32UCDM at $200 cheaper.
DSC causes issues with multi monitor setup at least with Nvidia GPU, look it up. It's just not worth it buying expensive monitors like these with no DP2.1 unless you swap monitors every year, you will regret it when you upgrade your GPU next time.
SRY no its not few problems i found thus i skipped this- the 480 is only stable w certain games only and the color gamit needs help compare to Asus . Also some functions make other options meh at best. ie the response time. Hardware unboxed confluded 1.4 and 2.1 was not a big diference but unless we have a true 2.1 this is just a perfect example of whatto do and what not to do .
Agreed. My max I'd spend on a monitor was always a grand. 1100 is stretching it but its the absolute max and only because these panels are so dang good. Just backordered one on Newegg!
You have covered the smaller screen modes in more detail that literally any other RUclipsr, none of the others could answer my question but you did. Now that I understand how it works, this monitor should work fine for me, but the Asus probably has better quality of life stuff to persuade me if I can find it for a decently close price.
I don't want to watch monitor reviews by anyone else any more. This is the best review of this monitor I've seen, focuses on the meat and ignores all the sides, salad and subjective drivel that so many other reviewers spend way too much time on.
My only concern with DSC or "Display Stream Compression" is the potential for added input delay in the extra processing to compress the data. I would love to see if anyone has done any testing on this to see if there is a performance impact in any way.
The compression and decompression is done in hardware. In a good implementation it adds latency equal to the time it takes your monitor to scan out one line of pixels. This is often on the order of about 0.000001 ms or so depending on the specific monitor. I don't think even the sweatiest esports gamer can claim that matters.
Since i swap Monitos ever 8 to 10 years, yeah. Having that faster bandwidth for later when I actually use the Monitor for higher refresh rates without DSC would be nice.
I have to say. Gigabytes Aorus line the last 2 years has been pretty impressive. Not just for montiors, but gpus and motherboards have been really good 👍
I love my AW3225QF from Alienware there all good I just stick with the brand that has never let me down and have had zero issues with AW, and when it’s time to upgrade I post it on marketplace and someone gets a good deal and is happy with a monitor that’s works like it did when I first bought it.
Tried the LG but the WOLED was not as good for me as the previous QDOLED in the Samsung G8 so I switched it for the Asus SWIFT. Best monitor I ever had. It's only 1.4DP but I do not see it will be a problem in the near 2-3 years.:) In my country the Asus and the Gigabyte is at the same price and I prefer Asus so that's why I get that. Nice review, go hard!
do you use a desk mount for your asus? the legs take up a lot of space.. im not a fan of the legs.. im deciding btween the samsung G80SD, alienware, this one or the asus
I’m ex bass player…and I totally am a very “don’t have the finances” audiophile. For me solid state has so much head room, though when it’s full Valve…it’s different flavour of listening. Hybrid amps are good, like the Genz Benz 900 amp (bass amp) though when you are plugged into a full valve amp…the bass has that warmth..and also clarity which shakes your soul, and vibrates your spine 😂👌🏻💪🏻♥️ Side note….bad seed tech is a legit channel, absolutely love these videos Stay up 👌🏻💪🏻
Somehow you are the only youtuber who takes time to speak about aspect modes (idk why). This is kinda sad, these monitors use the same displays so only coating and features sereperate them from each other. Also I totally aggre with you, 32" can be too big for many multiplayer games and having a feature to simulate a smaller monitor is a killer. Thank you for work, keep it up man!
alt-tabbing makes a big difference. without DSC this is significantly faster, it's a good thing that everyone would notice for sure unless you don't switch between fullscreen games and desktop often. but other than that not really any benefits.
@@zexedearth89 it's annoying when you tab out every few mins. it flickers. I have the dual mode oled and when I play any regular game at 4k240hz it's very noticeable compared to competitive games where I use 1080p480hz. it's nearly instant since the latter doesn't require DSC and is fully native. You really see the difference when you use it daily and have a first hand comparison.
@@ogremair803 yeah, I'm just not always sure which games have input lag added by using borderless, some run the same while others don't. hdr is a good point too, I use it on most games where available.
Display port 2.1 has its issues too. It's hard to find a cable that is certified for the full bandwidth and those that are have very short lengths. It's gonna take time for the cables to get longer and properly certified. It is the future but dsc isn't gonna hold you back either.
Dsc isn't like youtube compression either. It compresses the signal at 3.4 ratio while video streaming is at least 100-1000/1 ratio. It is visually lossless and no one who uses it would notice it.
32U2P wasn't my first choice but it's the only one available at the time i needed a new screen. I was gonna go with 32UCDM but the sucker was never in stock in Sweden. I am happy with my purchase.
man, if there was a 5 year burn-in warranty, i'd would go get one instantly, but buying an oled as a monitor which has SOOOOOOO many static things, it's like a recipe for failure. and once i see the burn in on the monitor, i can't unsee it. Hoping *ELEAP OLED* will be a great alternative.
Sharp's QDEL is another alternative I'm keeping an eye on. It can be manufactured on current equipment, but it's not restricted to the environmental conditions like OLED.
@@Eskoxo I totally get where you are coming from, and i also have nothing at all on my tv *i however only use it for movies* But i've just on my phones, time after time again, gotten burn-in on the screen, which makes me that much more skeptical. And if it wasn't as much of a problem, i don't see why they can't extend the warranty period for just burn-in, on oled monitors.
@@-Dolphus think phone screens are not really the same exact same technology and as far as warranty 3 years is probably reasonable on many brands youd be lucky to get 1 year on lcd panel.
@@Eskoxo yea I guess you might be right at that point, plus they get waaaaaay brighter, which makes the risk of burn-in higher on the phones. In regards to warranty on lcd's I have absolutely no problem with them only having 1 year since (1. They are for the most part a lot cheaper. 2. There is no burn in risk on an LCD panel)
Not a bad display. It's definately some great features. Just need a software/firmware update to fix some of those issues. the 1000 nits peak brightness is great, but the tracking could be better for sure. It looked really dark even compared to my LG C1.
I’ve tried LG’s OLED, and Alienware’s, Samsung’s, and Asus’ QD-OLED (which for some reason everyone thinks is the best), and the Gigabyte AORUS QD OLED is by far my favorite. I have the 1440p version. Only downside is the color banding seems to not be very great.
I tried these monitors and I honestly cannot go back to 240Hz for COD. I mained the AQN for a year and 240Hz feels like hammered ass. I gotta wait for 4K 360 Hz :(. AWESOME VID AS ALWAYS, BRIAN
You can go for the 1440p 360hz, or the dual mode 240/480hz ones. If you really want a truely big UPGRADE from the AQN it's better to wait for the upcoming 1440p 480hz. Or a couple of years for a 4K version (although I doubt we can make a cable that handles that, maybe 240hz with well tuned BFI will be clear enough to not need to go higher?)
I’d say it’s worth it. If you’re gonna run and be able to afford 4k you’re always gonna have the top card, so investing 200 more in do 2.1 for next gen 5090 is 100% worth it imo
My pg27aqdm got burn in and dark bars despite pixel cleaning regularly and not staying in stagnant pages too often. Asus is replacing it for free though (minus $40 shipping cost I paid to send it in) 😅
I used to be an OLED hypeman till I actually went to a Samsung store and experienced their OLED and Mini LED panels. The first thing that popped out at me was just how SHARP a mini-LED was compared to the OLED. (Which is important because I'm reading text half of the day) As for my eyes, they couldn't tell the difference between the color vibrance of the Odyssey Ark (Mini-LED) or the G9 (OLED) when played Forza Horizon 5. I think I'll just buy a Mini-LED till the OLED prices drop slightly
of all the 32 OLED 4k monitors youve tested which look the best for gaming AND movies? not just for gaming.. thank you i love your reviews, and cant make up my mind between this one, samsung G80SD, Asus, and the alienware
I’m probably in the very small minority that can tell the difference between DP 2.0 and HDMI but I’ve been saying the compression on display port fucks with me more than hdmi ever does. The image is just a bit more crisp and consistent
Bought 3 of these for my "end game" sim racing setup, and using a 4090, could never get the 3rd monitor to display. Ended up having to sell the 4090 and "downgrade" to a 7900 XTX...but at least I have all 3 monitors working, at *4k* and running at a synchronized 165Hz (although not the 240Hz these monitors are capable of).
So the way it works is Nvidia GPUs have 4 display heads, as soon as you hit a certain pixel rate (a bit more than 4K 120 Hz), the GPU has to combine two of those heads to drive a single display. This is also the point where DSR/DLDSR and stuff stop working. Roughly at the point where you need DSC. So you ran out of display heads on the first two monitors. It would be possible to run them all with a 4090 at 4K 120 Hz with DSC off though. Radeon has an advantage in the display engine department at the moment.
@@imadecoy. You are correct, sir! This is what I learned over the past 3 months over 3 different models of monitors. The issue with these FO32U2P monitors, however, is that you cannot disable DSC and thus it was impossible to get them to work with the 4090, under any circumstance/scenario/settings configuration. The first monitors I had were Samsung Neo G8's, and the only way I could get all 3 to work was if I lowered the resolution or refresh rates...but they still worked! These Gigabyte monitors though, I could set all 3 to 1280x720 at 60Hz, and *still* could not get them to work! That said, my monitors I had before these -- MSI 4K 144Hz IPS monitors -- **DID** work, much more seamlessly (but not without a ton of issues themselves). So I think these 3 monitors used together -- unlike some other monitors -- use up all 4 "heads" in just TWO monitors alone, regardless of how low you set the settings.😕Sucked having to get rid of my 4090, but I'm quite happy with the 7900 XTX :)
Bad seed, comp gamer here, but old head. I just ordered a 360hz zowie, but now second guessing myself over OLED. What is your opinion? I'm all for response and high hertz to have the biggest advantage. Not interested in 500-540hz though. 360 is where I'm at. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!
Biggest thing is what you’re coming from prior to the upgrade. The Zowie is gonna win in motion clarity by using DyAc, provided you can hit a consistent locked 360fps. You’ll have to do some fiddling to get the overdrive dialed in, but thats easy enough. And it’ll likely last years upon years with no risk of burn in. OLED is gonna give you a way better picture quality, color saturation, contrast etc and will be more versatile if you find yourself playing other stuff besides just comp fps. It has has way lower g2g times. Motion blur will only be marginally worse at 360hz. And you have to consider what happens after 3 years when your burn in warranty expires. If the second option sounds better, I would highly recommend the Alienware AW2725DF and thats how I would personally go if I was making this call for myself.
dsc causes backscreen when alt tabbing and flicker, i do not notice any of those, most my games are in window mode and the flicker i only notice first oled i had, with Aorus FO32U2 i do not notice it so far. otherwise dcs is flawless and overall a benefit. lets me use DisplayPort 1,4 and get 4k at 240fps with hdr. so why hate on those who complain about dcs or rave about it as flawless, do not be ignorant, things needs to be fixed one way or another to work all the time under al circumstances
Two things. One: its Gigabyte lol. And Two: If theres 0 reason to use DP 2.1 then theres 0 reason to buy this monitor. My opinion still stands, you get the 1440p 360hz QD OLED panel for a good price compared to any other offerings and you absolutely win in every scenario. Price, Performance, Competitive, Immersion, all around banger.
Ooo vrr flicker maybe that’s what I am seeing!! Sometimes my Alienware OLED starts flickering the color temp almost and not really in games, I think I have only noticed it on the desktop though.
AORUS FO32U2P, MSI MPG 321URX, Asus ROG Swift PG32UCDP, Samsung Odyssey G80SD. Just look what they cost and consider which one offers the best value for your money.
DSC causes issues with multi monitor setup at least with Nvidia GPU, look it up. It's just not worth it buying expensive monitors like these with no DP2.1 unless you have a review channel and swap monitor every few weeks.
Yeah, at high price, how that connector was ready for a while and lame to use DSC for no reason with available bandwidth with DP 2.1 and also out of principal for future cards. There were also other issues with DSC with some monitors or scenarios.
I would stop using gaming headsets all together tbh. You can find better audio in cheaper IEMs than you would a gaming headset and depending on budget you could get some nice headphones. and a lot of audio is subjective I would look for some kind of audiophile store near you and see if they do some test demos and find what you like.
No I don't, but I bought it regardless. In addition (even if I personally don't need it) one gets 90 instead of 18W of Power from the USB-C, Daisy Channing and a connector that is future proof for sure for many years. We will probably not need a faster connection than DP2.0 with 80GB/s for the next 10 years if we are truly honest.
Had this monitor, maybe mine was defective but it had an obvious yellow hue to it that I couldn't unsee. Also, the greys weren't as punchy as other oleds that decided to go darker with the EOTF tracking.
VRR flicker is a dealbreaker. My LG OLED 240 hz is a better monitor than this one and it just kills the experience for me. I really wish I had tested it more during my return window but I honestly wasn’t gaming much when I got it.
All about the future proof, DP 2.1 should be STANDARD. We all know monitors are ahead of GPUs, it's the GPUs that have to catch up to them, meaning you keep your monitors longer. It's absolutely boneheaded NOT to have DP2.1 on the monitor.
Most people saying burn in Bla Bla Bla. Probably has little experience or had an oled and let some static image stay on screen for hours and upon hours even if it wasn’t in use.. My main tv . For movies,Games,Tv including news and sport. Everything daily driver is my 2018 OLED65C8PLA and I got 2018. So no burn in is not a concern.
@badseedtech Did you pull those numbers with Calibrite's software or something else? I'm getting into monitor testing and am unsure which program will let me get luminace and PQ EOTF figures with the Calibrite.
Anyone who hates DSC is full of it. They’ll quickly hate it less when they start getting dropouts due to shitty DP cables which are going to have to be very robust to handle a full 80 GBps signal. Right now the top length is 1.2m for a full cable. On top of that I guarantee that most if not all these anti-DSC could not tell if they were using DSC or lossless. DSC offers so much flexibility and is a pretty significant advancement in display tech. On my 4090 hooked up to my 4K/240 Hz Alienware QD-OLED the visual benefits I get from DSC are breathtaking. Yes, there are some minor dropouts when switching displays and during driver initialization, but they never happen during normal use or most importantly during gaming. People see the word “compression” and automatically think shitty quality without seeing for themselves.
DSC causes issues with multi monitor setup at least with Nvidia GPU, look it up. The issue you mention with the cable are gonna sort it self when DP2.1 become more available when Nvidia releases their new GPU, people will upgrade their GPU then and you will be stuck with your terrible DSC port. Unless you're planning to buy a new monitor every year buying a monitor without DP2.1 doesn't make sense now.
@@KaledTV I don't need to do any reading. I have 3 monitors connected to my 4090. One of them is 4K/240, which uses DSC. A 1440p/170 which doesn't use DSC and a 175Hz Ultrawide. The system works fine aside from the occasional blank screen for a second. It never happens while gaming or doing regular tasks. Stop with the bullshit.
Hello friend, how are you, since you do a lot of monitor reviews, can you make a comparison of the LG c3 or c4 and the Samsung s90d and c as a PC monitor? greetings
I know this is an edge use case, but I like being able to daisy chain displays. I bought an Asus cuz I couldn't find an MSIs in stock. I'm worried about Asus's terrible warranty. Haven't had experience with Gigabyte support but can't believe it's worse than Asus. I would consider buying this and returning the Asus.
The Asus is a slightly better anyways, just check if Asus is as bad in your region as other regions, if it's not there's absolutely no reason to replace it.
shouldn't the bandwidth of DP 2.1 help with 480+Hz ? There's this 1440p monitor im interested in, but when Alt+Tabbing it takes 6 seconds to get back in the game because it allegedly still uses DP 1.4
On the Nvidia control panel when you were changing the output color depth.. I saw 12 bpc. Is this for real and actually possible? full 12-bit native panel, or is it 10-bit + dithering. Even so, what happens to the sub-sampling ordeal/refresh rate limits when opting for such a mode like that if it's actually real?
Hey there badseed tech 👋 Do you know what cable would be better for the new asus wqhd 480hz Monitor - HDMI 2.1 or dp1.4 with DSC on ? I bought the pg27aqdp. I got an 7900xtx with dp2.1. Idk if I should return the Monitor and wait for one that supports dp 2.1 But you also said noone seeing a difference if dsc is on or off. I have not really time to test my setup atm😢, thats why I am asking. 🧐😱🤯
All things being equal, why would you NOT pick this one over others if only to be future proof with the DP 2.1?! I mean there are ONLY TWO companies in the WORLD that make OLED panels. THIS ONE has my vote and my money. Believe it or not DSC does degrade the image a little - HOWEVER slightly, with this monitor, no worries!!
What we need is for QD-OLED, OLED, and AMOLED in monitors to solve the VRR flickering. WOLED is the only type without this issue. DP 2.1 is useless if you have VRR flickering.
VRR flicker happens due to rapidly fluctuating frame rates. It goes away almost completely if you cap it closer to the 1% lows. VRR flicker is part of the tech. It ain’t going away unless you cap the frame rates so that there is less fluctuation. It will always be present unless you do that.
@@rickgear2579 WOLED doesn't exhibit this, so it's not part of tech. This was proven by multiple sites so that throws your reasoning out the window. Agree to disagree. RTINGS has a video on this and they disprove your claim.
Woled most certainly exhibits flicker. My LG CX flickers like crazy in the dark areas of production apps. The PG27AQDM is also woled, and also flickers. Thats just bad info.
This is accurate, comes down to how they implement the vrr too. Im running down all the monitors I have in house bc some show it bad and others you really have to look for it or can’t see it at all.
@@badseedtech The LG CX series isn't WOLED, it just uses regular OLED. This is based on the LG website. The PG27AQDM is declared as WOLED but the reviews by RTINGs (goggle fu this- " VRR Flicker On OLEDs Is A Real Problem", as I can't share direct YT videos here). show that WOLEDS released this year so far haven't shown this behavior. The one you have may need to be replaced.
Can you choose between a 24 inch and 27 inch display size for PS5 on the non pro model? Saw a video where it said you can only change to a 24 inch max display size
So I'm wondering can i set this screen to say 27 inch and play 1440 resolution on it thruu windows at 240hz? Mostly play fps games but sometimes singel player games also so would like to have 32 inch to my disposal when needed.
That is correct. Though its not *true* 1440p because of how its scales on the monitor, it taxes the machine like 1440p normally would and it looks really good on screen - particularly at 24” and yep - full 240hz. Its something I think a lot of people miss when they talk about these displays.
Like I get that I lose very little by turning on DSC, but with me having monitors last many years, I would hate to miss out of new features that do not work with DSC, or other features that suddenly get relevant for me. But looks like at this moment I would have to decide to pick between dolby vision and dp 2.1.
DSC doesn't prevent you from using any features. What does is Nvidia's current display engine. Past a certain pixel rate it needs to use two display heads to drive a single monitor, and this is when a bunch of Nvidia's driver features stop working.
you should try out a mini led with high dimming zones i think theres one by redmagic with over 5000 zones coming soon or already launched. i have 240hz 1440p oled by ktc and a 160hz 4k mini led with 1152 dimming zones. hdr gaming is better on mini led imo. oled looks washed out compared to mini led in games like horizon forbidden west because oled just doesnt get bright enough and mini led gets bright AF. oled is better for competitive games obviously, single player hdr games goes to mini led.
@@darrendavies1102 Nothing is currently taking advantage of 2.1... unless you have an 8K TV or 4K 360HZ monitor its unlikely you'll need it anytime soon.
@twentyonehertz thank you, sir. a question if I may 🙏 I've been saving for 6 years and hopefully will be buying the 5090. Want to buy my monitor once . so should it be 2.1, but like you said, it's already maybe not ready yet for 2.1 thx for your reply
@@darrendavies1102 My understanding is that the included IO works for the monitors specific resolution/speeds as long as you have a capable graphics card. Now inorder for it to work you have VESA DSC, which is a lossless compression, you will not notice it with DP 1.4. DP 2.1 will support this resolution/speed without compression but the improvement in visual fidelity will be undetectable to the eye. Do with that what you will.
@@ryanbrowning5586 That is not true, the coating of my samsung tv does not scratch as easily. The same goes for my MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, iPhone. It is not a good excuse to just use a shit coating. Also a monitor is not a TV. Different use case if I am sitting 50 cm in front of it or 3 meters away.
@@WillFuI hmmm usually the black screen issue people complain about is when alt tabbing out of a game in fullscreen exclusive. If you are having black flickering it could be your display cable. Or if it's a black screen crash then something related to the GPU most likely
Somebody in the Discord made a good point about me (accidentally) excluding the FO32U2 from the conclusion: At $1099, its a VERY attractive way to get into this format. If you've concluded that DP2.1 isn't a big deal to you, its an easy W versus the PG32UCDM at $200 cheaper.
DSC causes issues with multi monitor setup at least with Nvidia GPU, look it up.
It's just not worth it buying expensive monitors like these with no DP2.1 unless you swap monitors every year, you will regret it when you upgrade your GPU next time.
Will you also benefit from these kind of monitors for productivity? I want to upgrade Dell 34 wide screen with a 4k 32 inch. I'm not a gamer.
SRY no its not few problems i found thus i skipped this- the 480 is only stable w certain games only and the color gamit needs help compare to Asus . Also some functions make other options meh at best. ie the response time. Hardware unboxed confluded 1.4 and 2.1 was not a big diference but unless we have a true 2.1 this is just a perfect example of whatto do and what not to do .
Agreed. My max I'd spend on a monitor was always a grand. 1100 is stretching it but its the absolute max and only because these panels are so dang good. Just backordered one on Newegg!
One thing to note here is that FO32U2 offers 18W power delivery over USB-C, while FO32U2P offers 65W.
You have covered the smaller screen modes in more detail that literally any other RUclipsr, none of the others could answer my question but you did.
Now that I understand how it works, this monitor should work fine for me, but the Asus probably has better quality of life stuff to persuade me if I can find it for a decently close price.
Man I love opening RUclips and being greeted with a new Badseed Tech upload. 😎
I think I just found my new monitor upgrade. Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
I don't want to watch monitor reviews by anyone else any more. This is the best review of this monitor I've seen, focuses on the meat and ignores all the sides, salad and subjective drivel that so many other reviewers spend way too much time on.
My only concern with DSC or "Display Stream Compression" is the potential for added input delay in the extra processing to compress the data. I would love to see if anyone has done any testing on this to see if there is a performance impact in any way.
Have done testing. The impact to input latency is at .1ms or under. Its a non-issue.
@@badseedtech Gotcha yeah that's basically nothing. Appreciate the testing king
The compression and decompression is done in hardware. In a good implementation it adds latency equal to the time it takes your monitor to scan out one line of pixels. This is often on the order of about 0.000001 ms or so depending on the specific monitor. I don't think even the sweatiest esports gamer can claim that matters.
@@badseedtechNo. I need every excuse for dying
No I dont! I need Displayport 3.0
3.1!
Make it 4.0
Need that 8k 1000hz support
@@MA-jz4yc dont forget the lagless blackframe insertion
@@MA-jz4yctoo out dated I think you mean 16k 6300hz
Since i swap Monitos ever 8 to 10 years, yeah. Having that faster bandwidth for later when I actually use the Monitor for higher refresh rates without DSC would be nice.
I have to say. Gigabytes Aorus line the last 2 years has been pretty impressive. Not just for montiors, but gpus and motherboards have been really good 👍
Not really honestly. It's all overpriced junk
I love my AW3225QF from Alienware there all good I just stick with the brand that has never let me down and have had zero issues with AW, and when it’s time to upgrade I post it on marketplace and someone gets a good deal and is happy with a monitor that’s works like it did when I first bought it.
Alienware is under Dell which support Zionist
Does it have thunderbolt input?
Tried the LG but the WOLED was not as good for me as the previous QDOLED in the Samsung G8 so I switched it for the Asus SWIFT. Best monitor I ever had. It's only 1.4DP but I do not see it will be a problem in the near 2-3 years.:) In my country the Asus and the Gigabyte is at the same price and I prefer Asus so that's why I get that. Nice review, go hard!
do you use a desk mount for your asus? the legs take up a lot of space.. im not a fan of the legs.. im deciding btween the samsung G80SD, alienware, this one or the asus
@@jacedragonwhich one did you choose now?
great review, very straight to the point! very minor spec, the type c on this monitor is 65w, not 90w.
I’m ex bass player…and I totally am a very “don’t have the finances” audiophile. For me solid state has so much head room, though when it’s full Valve…it’s different flavour of listening.
Hybrid amps are good, like the Genz Benz 900 amp (bass amp) though when you are plugged into a full valve amp…the bass has that warmth..and also clarity which shakes your soul, and vibrates your spine 😂👌🏻💪🏻♥️
Side note….bad seed tech is a legit channel, absolutely love these videos
Stay up 👌🏻💪🏻
Bro, you covered every question I've been researching answers to in less than ten minutes. Instant sub, that was awesome.
I do need it. Because I tell myself I need it (I don’t)
Great review. I’ve seen many monitor reviews and yours are head and shoulders above them. You cover things which are important for daily users.
Somehow you are the only youtuber who takes time to speak about aspect modes (idk why). This is kinda sad, these monitors use the same displays so only coating and features sereperate them from each other.
Also I totally aggre with you, 32" can be too big for many multiplayer games and having a feature to simulate a smaller monitor is a killer.
Thank you for work, keep it up man!
alt-tabbing makes a big difference. without DSC this is significantly faster, it's a good thing that everyone would notice for sure unless you don't switch between fullscreen games and desktop often. but other than that not really any benefits.
oh no, its 1.5 seconds faster. anways...
@@zexedearth89 it's annoying when you tab out every few mins. it flickers. I have the dual mode oled and when I play any regular game at 4k240hz it's very noticeable compared to competitive games where I use 1080p480hz. it's nearly instant since the latter doesn't require DSC and is fully native. You really see the difference when you use it daily and have a first hand comparison.
I've been playing on borderless window for this reason. Another problem arises when using HDR in games since some require exclusive fullscreen.
@@ogremair803 yeah, I'm just not always sure which games have input lag added by using borderless, some run the same while others don't. hdr is a good point too, I use it on most games where available.
Just play borderless window ? It's basically the same performances with directx 12.
Paul from Pauls Hardware sent us over in his latest video...Sorry it took so long..G'day from Downunder :) Great content to catch up on.
I need that 'Nah Im Good' shirt. Where can I get one?
Display port 2.1 has its issues too. It's hard to find a cable that is certified for the full bandwidth and those that are have very short lengths. It's gonna take time for the cables to get longer and properly certified. It is the future but dsc isn't gonna hold you back either.
Dsc isn't like youtube compression either. It compresses the signal at 3.4 ratio while video streaming is at least 100-1000/1 ratio. It is visually lossless and no one who uses it would notice it.
32U2P wasn't my first choice but it's the only one available at the time i needed a new screen. I was gonna go with 32UCDM but the sucker was never in stock in Sweden. I am happy with my purchase.
i was in the same boat in Canada - no gigybtte but there was Asus . so i snabbed it.
I ordered the Samsung in Canada because it could be had for just over $800 CAD. Wasn't ready to upgrade with the price and availability of the others.
man, if there was a 5 year burn-in warranty, i'd would go get one instantly,
but buying an oled as a monitor which has SOOOOOOO many static things, it's like a recipe for failure.
and once i see the burn in on the monitor, i can't unsee it.
Hoping *ELEAP OLED* will be a great alternative.
Sharp's QDEL is another alternative I'm keeping an eye on. It can be manufactured on current equipment, but it's not restricted to the environmental conditions like OLED.
iv been using my 2016 lg oled tv as monitor for hmm 8 years now still no issues sure burn it does happen but i think % wise it almost never does.
@@Eskoxo I totally get where you are coming from, and i also have nothing at all on my tv *i however only use it for movies*
But i've just on my phones, time after time again, gotten burn-in on the screen, which makes me that much more skeptical.
And if it wasn't as much of a problem, i don't see why they can't extend the warranty period for just burn-in, on oled monitors.
@@-Dolphus think phone screens are not really the same exact same technology and as far as warranty 3 years is probably reasonable on many brands youd be lucky to get 1 year on lcd panel.
@@Eskoxo yea I guess you might be right at that point, plus they get waaaaaay brighter, which makes the risk of burn-in higher on the phones.
In regards to warranty on lcd's I have absolutely no problem with them only having 1 year since (1. They are for the most part a lot cheaper. 2. There is no burn in risk on an LCD panel)
Maann i hope this channel is more popular than it is.
One of the pros is i love not having to use 1.5x speed on this channel's videos :p
Not a bad display. It's definately some great features. Just need a software/firmware update to fix some of those issues.
the 1000 nits peak brightness is great, but the tracking could be better for sure. It looked really dark even compared to my LG C1.
I recently just got the samsung G60S 1440p 360hz OLED. Its the most amazing display I've ever seen lol Great video btw
An excellent review from the best practical-user-based reviewer. Thank you for your time and effort in bringing us your opinion. WOOF!
I’ve tried LG’s OLED, and Alienware’s, Samsung’s, and Asus’ QD-OLED (which for some reason everyone thinks is the best), and the Gigabyte AORUS QD OLED is by far my favorite. I have the 1440p version. Only downside is the color banding seems to not be very great.
gigabyte nailed it this time.
I tried these monitors and I honestly cannot go back to 240Hz for COD. I mained the AQN for a year and 240Hz feels like hammered ass. I gotta wait for 4K 360 Hz :(. AWESOME VID AS ALWAYS, BRIAN
You can go for the 1440p 360hz, or the dual mode 240/480hz ones.
If you really want a truely big UPGRADE from the AQN it's better to wait for the upcoming 1440p 480hz. Or a couple of years for a 4K version (although I doubt we can make a cable that handles that, maybe 240hz with well tuned BFI will be clear enough to not need to go higher?)
@@houssamalucad753 I've also tried the AW2725DF and the FO27Q3. I think I have a general problem with OLED. We'll see.
I’d say it’s worth it. If you’re gonna run and be able to afford 4k you’re always gonna have the top card, so investing 200 more in do 2.1 for next gen 5090 is 100% worth it imo
But it's not going to make any difference on the 5090 once they fix the display engine to fully support DSC.
4080 super is enough for me $1850
4090 is $3200
Imagine 5080 and 5090
These prices is Australian BTW
@@TheShadiboy1 holy, here in canada a 4080 super is 1800 cad while a 4090 is anywhere from 2300-2500 depending on model
5090 won't use 2.1, and even if it did, it wouldn't make a difference.
It wil use 2.1 dp.@@Dubulcle
My pg27aqdm got burn in and dark bars despite pixel cleaning regularly and not staying in stagnant pages too often.
Asus is replacing it for free though (minus $40 shipping cost I paid to send it in) 😅
Bro.. where do i buy that shirt?
I’d also like to point out that audiophiles with earc speakers like i have require higher bandwidth for full higher quality channel support.
come to think of it we do need a PA32UCG-K and an 8k mini-LED monitor review from you
I used to be an OLED hypeman till I actually went to a Samsung store and experienced their OLED and Mini LED panels. The first thing that popped out at me was just how SHARP a mini-LED was compared to the OLED. (Which is important because I'm reading text half of the day)
As for my eyes, they couldn't tell the difference between the color vibrance of the Odyssey Ark (Mini-LED) or the G9 (OLED) when played Forza Horizon 5.
I think I'll just buy a Mini-LED till the OLED prices drop slightly
Sure I need displayport 2.1, I am not planning to sell a monitor like that this in 1 year, better cables are coming, and will be here for the 5090
of all the 32 OLED 4k monitors youve tested which look the best for gaming AND movies? not just for gaming.. thank you i love your reviews, and cant make up my mind between this one, samsung G80SD, Asus, and the alienware
I’m probably in the very small minority that can tell the difference between DP 2.0 and HDMI but I’ve been saying the compression on display port fucks with me more than hdmi ever does. The image is just a bit more crisp and consistent
Great video as always! Thanks to you I get most of my tech from your reviews. I am curious, do you keep the review models or do giveaways for them?
Bought 3 of these for my "end game" sim racing setup, and using a 4090, could never get the 3rd monitor to display. Ended up having to sell the 4090 and "downgrade" to a 7900 XTX...but at least I have all 3 monitors working, at *4k* and running at a synchronized 165Hz (although not the 240Hz these monitors are capable of).
So the way it works is Nvidia GPUs have 4 display heads, as soon as you hit a certain pixel rate (a bit more than 4K 120 Hz), the GPU has to combine two of those heads to drive a single display. This is also the point where DSR/DLDSR and stuff stop working. Roughly at the point where you need DSC. So you ran out of display heads on the first two monitors. It would be possible to run them all with a 4090 at 4K 120 Hz with DSC off though. Radeon has an advantage in the display engine department at the moment.
@@imadecoy. You are correct, sir! This is what I learned over the past 3 months over 3 different models of monitors. The issue with these FO32U2P monitors, however, is that you cannot disable DSC and thus it was impossible to get them to work with the 4090, under any circumstance/scenario/settings configuration.
The first monitors I had were Samsung Neo G8's, and the only way I could get all 3 to work was if I lowered the resolution or refresh rates...but they still worked! These Gigabyte monitors though, I could set all 3 to 1280x720 at 60Hz, and *still* could not get them to work! That said, my monitors I had before these -- MSI 4K 144Hz IPS monitors -- **DID** work, much more seamlessly (but not without a ton of issues themselves).
So I think these 3 monitors used together -- unlike some other monitors -- use up all 4 "heads" in just TWO monitors alone, regardless of how low you set the settings.😕Sucked having to get rid of my 4090, but I'm quite happy with the 7900 XTX :)
Bad seed, comp gamer here, but old head. I just ordered a 360hz zowie, but now second guessing myself over OLED. What is your opinion? I'm all for response and high hertz to have the biggest advantage. Not interested in 500-540hz though. 360 is where I'm at. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!
Biggest thing is what you’re coming from prior to the upgrade. The Zowie is gonna win in motion clarity by using DyAc, provided you can hit a consistent locked 360fps. You’ll have to do some fiddling to get the overdrive dialed in, but thats easy enough. And it’ll likely last years upon years with no risk of burn in.
OLED is gonna give you a way better picture quality, color saturation, contrast etc and will be more versatile if you find yourself playing other stuff besides just comp fps. It has has way lower g2g times. Motion blur will only be marginally worse at 360hz. And you have to consider what happens after 3 years when your burn in warranty expires. If the second option sounds better, I would highly recommend the Alienware AW2725DF and thats how I would personally go if I was making this call for myself.
@@badseedtech coming from xl2540 240hz and it’s starting to die. Pixelated issues and flickers green pixelation.
Now I’m really debating on this oled
dsc causes backscreen when alt tabbing and flicker, i do not notice any of those, most my games are in window mode and the flicker i only notice first oled i had, with Aorus FO32U2 i do not notice it so far.
otherwise dcs is flawless and overall a benefit. lets me use DisplayPort 1,4 and get 4k at 240fps with hdr.
so why hate on those who complain about dcs or rave about it as flawless, do not be ignorant, things needs to be fixed one way or another to work all the time under al circumstances
Hope you can review the Samsung G9 OLED (either the old one or the new one that's just coming out). :)
Two things. One: its Gigabyte lol. And Two: If theres 0 reason to use DP 2.1 then theres 0 reason to buy this monitor. My opinion still stands, you get the 1440p 360hz QD OLED panel for a good price compared to any other offerings and you absolutely win in every scenario. Price, Performance, Competitive, Immersion, all around banger.
Very awesome now that I have a job and making money I am totally going to upgrade my main 32 qhd to one these OLED gaming monitor bad boys. :)
Atm there is a 300€ price difference between the P and regular F032U2. GIven that, the regular version is the way to go for me.
Ooo vrr flicker maybe that’s what I am seeing!! Sometimes my Alienware OLED starts flickering the color temp almost and not really in games, I think I have only noticed it on the desktop though.
@LG you need to get this man the 45GS model.
AORUS FO32U2P, MSI MPG 321URX, Asus ROG Swift PG32UCDP, Samsung Odyssey G80SD. Just look what they cost and consider which one offers the best value for your money.
Kratos reviewing a monitor? Hell yea!
DSC causes issues with multi monitor setup at least with Nvidia GPU, look it up.
It's just not worth it buying expensive monitors like these with no DP2.1 unless you have a review channel and swap monitor every few weeks.
Yeah, at high price, how that connector was ready for a while and lame to use DSC for no reason with available bandwidth with DP 2.1 and also out of principal for future cards.
There were also other issues with DSC with some monitors or scenarios.
This is the one boys, I have ordered it!
Hey BadSeed, currently what is known to be the best headset to hear footsteps clearly? especially directionally? far/close all the goods
I would stop using gaming headsets all together tbh. You can find better audio in cheaper IEMs than you would a gaming headset and depending on budget you could get some nice headphones. and a lot of audio is subjective I would look for some kind of audiophile store near you and see if they do some test demos and find what you like.
Haven't watched the video, preordered the U2P(still waiting): I don't need it, but I want it.
Let's see if anything changes
Yep my order is sticking, I love the effort Aorus put into the connectivity, and no horrible features with solid support
Doubtful. Its a solid pick.
No I don't, but I bought it regardless. In addition (even if I personally don't need it) one gets 90 instead of 18W of Power from the USB-C, Daisy Channing and a connector that is future proof for sure for many years. We will probably not need a faster connection than DP2.0 with 80GB/s for the next 10 years if we are truly honest.
18W only on the non-Pro (P) model.
@@mazo7846 Yes, as I already stated!
Had this monitor, maybe mine was defective but it had an obvious yellow hue to it that I couldn't unsee. Also, the greys weren't as punchy as other oleds that decided to go darker with the EOTF tracking.
Do you get additional input lag if you use the Aspect Modes?
VRR flicker is a dealbreaker. My LG OLED 240 hz is a better monitor than this one and it just kills the experience for me. I really wish I had tested it more during my return window but I honestly wasn’t gaming much when I got it.
All about the future proof, DP 2.1 should be STANDARD. We all know monitors are ahead of GPUs, it's the GPUs that have to catch up to them, meaning you keep your monitors longer. It's absolutely boneheaded NOT to have DP2.1 on the monitor.
Most people saying burn in Bla Bla Bla. Probably has little experience or had an oled and let some static image stay on screen for hours and upon hours even if it wasn’t in use..
My main tv . For movies,Games,Tv including news and sport. Everything daily driver is my 2018 OLED65C8PLA and I got 2018.
So no burn in is not a concern.
ppl use monitor for office work too so burn in IS a issue.
@badseedtech Did you pull those numbers with Calibrite's software or something else? I'm getting into monitor testing and am unsure which program will let me get luminace and PQ EOTF figures with the Calibrite.
Anyone who hates DSC is full of it. They’ll quickly hate it less when they start getting dropouts due to shitty DP cables which are going to have to be very robust to handle a full 80 GBps signal. Right now the top length is 1.2m for a full cable. On top of that I guarantee that most if not all these anti-DSC could not tell if they were using DSC or lossless. DSC offers so much flexibility and is a pretty significant advancement in display tech. On my 4090 hooked up to my 4K/240 Hz Alienware QD-OLED the visual benefits I get from DSC are breathtaking. Yes, there are some minor dropouts when switching displays and during driver initialization, but they never happen during normal use or most importantly during gaming. People see the word “compression” and automatically think shitty quality without seeing for themselves.
Just use the DP 1.4 mode, DP 2.1 function won’t be useful for a while, next gen GPUs might not even support it
DSC causes issues with multi monitor setup at least with Nvidia GPU, look it up.
The issue you mention with the cable are gonna sort it self when DP2.1 become more available when Nvidia releases their new GPU, people will upgrade their GPU then and you will be stuck with your terrible DSC port. Unless you're planning to buy a new monitor every year buying a monitor without DP2.1 doesn't make sense now.
@@KaledTV I went an purchased the Gigabyte 2.1 version to avoid all these issues, happy with my decision.
@@KaledTV I don't need to look it up. I have 3 monitors connected to my 4090. Two of the three use DSC. One of them is a 4K/240 Hz.
@@KaledTV I don't need to do any reading. I have 3 monitors connected to my 4090. One of them is 4K/240, which uses DSC. A 1440p/170 which doesn't use DSC and a 175Hz Ultrawide. The system works fine aside from the occasional blank screen for a second. It never happens while gaming or doing regular tasks.
Stop with the bullshit.
im looking for a future proof FPS monitor for sure, im glad i held off on buying the pg27aqn but now idk what to do LMAO
Hello friend, how are you, since you do a lot of monitor reviews, can you make a comparison of the LG c3 or c4 and the Samsung s90d and c as a PC monitor? greetings
Whats the concern with Asus currently?
Noticeable vrr flickering...this gets a huge recommendation from me.
lol.
Can you say that putting APL to Medium in SDR only(max brightness) enhance the gaming experience ? Like a mini HDR mode ? Thank you
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Are those measurements with sRGB emulation engaged?
we need 4k 480hz before considering 2.1 with a GPU that can handle 480hz at 4k, also LG just dropped an HDR firmware update can we get a 2nd look?
Can it blend? 😅
I know this is an edge use case, but I like being able to daisy chain displays. I bought an Asus cuz I couldn't find an MSIs in stock. I'm worried about Asus's terrible warranty. Haven't had experience with Gigabyte support but can't believe it's worse than Asus. I would consider buying this and returning the Asus.
The Asus is a slightly better anyways, just check if Asus is as bad in your region as other regions, if it's not there's absolutely no reason to replace it.
shouldn't the bandwidth of DP 2.1 help with 480+Hz ? There's this 1440p monitor im interested in, but when Alt+Tabbing it takes 6 seconds to get back in the game because it allegedly still uses DP 1.4
On the Nvidia control panel when you were changing the output color depth.. I saw 12 bpc. Is this for real and actually possible? full 12-bit native panel, or is it 10-bit + dithering. Even so, what happens to the sub-sampling ordeal/refresh rate limits when opting for such a mode like that if it's actually real?
Can you recommend an oled monitor that has 2k resoluion and is around 360Hz (or higher is fine too)?
Hey there badseed tech 👋
Do you know what cable would be better for the new asus wqhd 480hz Monitor -
HDMI 2.1 or dp1.4 with DSC on ?
I bought the pg27aqdp. I got an 7900xtx with dp2.1.
Idk if I should return the Monitor and wait for one that supports dp 2.1
But you also said noone seeing a difference if dsc is on or off.
I have not really time to test my setup atm😢, thats why I am asking.
🧐😱🤯
Your monitor has a DP 1.4 port. A 2.1 cable will do nothing for you so stick with the (cheaper and longer) 1.4 cables.
I think in your secret lab desk video you said you won't constantly swap monitors out and yet we see the Gigabyte display on the desk 😭😭😭
Haha Tbf this broll was filmed a while ago. The PG32UCDM is on that desk as my personal monitor.
I could never be satisfied with 240hz now after using 360/390hz monitors (both 1080p and 1440p). I will buy 4k 360hz oled when they drop.
appreciate the chiller vibes especially of the outro, keep it up
Great video. Thanks
what is the best cable we can use for the 4k 240HZ with a 4090 RTX ?
Shall i buy this or dell alienware AW3225QF or Samsung Odyssey G8 Oled Please help me I'm so confused
I need for PS5 and For Pc Gaming
All things being equal, why would you NOT pick this one over others if only to be future proof with the DP 2.1?! I mean there are ONLY TWO companies in the WORLD that make OLED panels. THIS ONE has my vote and my money. Believe it or not DSC does degrade the image a little - HOWEVER slightly, with this monitor, no worries!!
What we need is for QD-OLED, OLED, and AMOLED in monitors to solve the VRR flickering. WOLED is the only type without this issue. DP 2.1 is useless if you have VRR flickering.
VRR flicker happens due to rapidly fluctuating frame rates. It goes away almost completely if you cap it closer to the 1% lows. VRR flicker is part of the tech. It ain’t going away unless you cap the frame rates so that there is less fluctuation. It will always be present unless you do that.
@@rickgear2579 WOLED doesn't exhibit this, so it's not part of tech. This was proven by multiple sites so that throws your reasoning out the window. Agree to disagree. RTINGS has a video on this and they disprove your claim.
Woled most certainly exhibits flicker. My LG CX flickers like crazy in the dark areas of production apps. The PG27AQDM is also woled, and also flickers. Thats just bad info.
This is accurate, comes down to how they implement the vrr too. Im running down all the monitors I have in house bc some show it bad and others you really have to look for it or can’t see it at all.
@@badseedtech The LG CX series isn't WOLED, it just uses regular OLED. This is based on the LG website. The PG27AQDM is declared as WOLED but the reviews by RTINGs (goggle fu this- " VRR Flicker On OLEDs Is A Real Problem", as I can't share direct YT videos here). show that WOLEDS released this year so far haven't shown this behavior. The one you have may need to be replaced.
Can you choose between a 24 inch and 27 inch display size for PS5 on the non pro model?
Saw a video where it said you can only change to a 24 inch max display size
So I'm wondering can i set this screen to say 27 inch and play 1440 resolution on it thruu windows at 240hz?
Mostly play fps games but sometimes singel player games also so would like to have 32 inch to my disposal when needed.
That is correct. Though its not *true* 1440p because of how its scales on the monitor, it taxes the machine like 1440p normally would and it looks really good on screen - particularly at 24” and yep - full 240hz.
Its something I think a lot of people miss when they talk about these displays.
Like I get that I lose very little by turning on DSC, but with me having monitors last many years, I would hate to miss out of new features that do not work with DSC, or other features that suddenly get relevant for me.
But looks like at this moment I would have to decide to pick between dolby vision and dp 2.1.
DSC doesn't prevent you from using any features. What does is Nvidia's current display engine. Past a certain pixel rate it needs to use two display heads to drive a single monitor, and this is when a bunch of Nvidia's driver features stop working.
@@imadecoy. That does sound like DSC prevent me from using some features.
@@PontifexMonarka No, because I still have access to all of those features with DSC on.
I'm planning on having 3 monitors but not sure if it's smart to get 3 qd oled monitors
you should try out a mini led with high dimming zones i think theres one by redmagic with over 5000 zones coming soon or already launched. i have 240hz 1440p oled by ktc and a 160hz 4k mini led with 1152 dimming zones. hdr gaming is better on mini led imo. oled looks washed out compared to mini led in games like horizon forbidden west because oled just doesnt get bright enough and mini led gets bright AF. oled is better for competitive games obviously, single player hdr games goes to mini led.
With the Rtings review, calibration factory is better than the Asus Rog QD oled 32"... Who can we believe?
I wonder if DSC could be causing VRR flicker?
So, the question is: Is DP 2.1 worth paying 200 € more for the FO32U2P than for the FO32U2 without P?
No not unless you are daisy chaining monitors
@twentyonehertz I didn't realise 2.1 was just to daisy chain I thought it was for console use ect
@@darrendavies1102 Nothing is currently taking advantage of 2.1... unless you have an 8K TV or 4K 360HZ monitor its unlikely you'll need it anytime soon.
@twentyonehertz thank you, sir. a question if I may 🙏
I've been saving for 6 years and hopefully will be buying the 5090.
Want to buy my monitor once .
so should it be 2.1, but like you said, it's already maybe not ready yet for 2.1 thx for your reply
@@darrendavies1102 My understanding is that the included IO works for the monitors specific resolution/speeds as long as you have a capable graphics card. Now inorder for it to work you have VESA DSC, which is a lossless compression, you will not notice it with DP 1.4. DP 2.1 will support this resolution/speed without compression but the improvement in visual fidelity will be undetectable to the eye. Do with that what you will.
Hi Brian I was looking for a amp dac for the ps5 does the filling k11 does that have a bass boost or eq for ps5 thank you Brian
Is this gsync compatible? I saw some reddit comments saying it’s only on the hdmi port currently.
Someone HAVE TO implement DP 2.1 technology first!
4K screens appears on a market BEFORE 4K CONTENT!
HD 490 Pro review loading?
What is your wallpaper engine? Image animation looks amazing!
You r doing a very good job and I like the length of this review
If only glossy on QD-OLEDs was a real and not some sort thin plastic coating. That coating is really a coating meaning you can easily remove it.....
Just like any TV. What's your point?
@@ryanbrowning5586 That is not true, the coating of my samsung tv does not scratch as easily. The same goes for my MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, iPhone. It is not a good excuse to just use a shit coating.
Also a monitor is not a TV. Different use case if I am sitting 50 cm in front of it or 3 meters away.
The black screen is really annoying but for me disabling dsc didn’t fix it
The trick is to not play games in fullscreen exclusive mode.
@@imadecoy. I play in windowed borderless
@@WillFuI hmmm usually the black screen issue people complain about is when alt tabbing out of a game in fullscreen exclusive. If you are having black flickering it could be your display cable. Or if it's a black screen crash then something related to the GPU most likely
Mine died after a week of use, not impressed.