I should note here the longer DisplayPort cables I showed in this video I couldn't even test with this monitor as they were normal DP cables - so they might not work, and probably won't work because they're not officially DP80 certified by VESA. Which is another layer of confusion because cables can be DP2.1 certified but not certified for the full bandwidth requirements as DP2.1 has multiple bandwidth specs. I bought them to see whether they'd work but ultimately because the W7800 doesn't support UHBR20 over full sized DP I was unable to check their advertised claims EDIT: As several commenters have pointed out, the longest certified DP80 cables are 1.2m long, which further restricts cable compatibility and usability. DP1.4 monitors can easily use 5m cables but if you want to go with DP2.1 UHBR20 you'll be stuck with these short cables by the sounds of things, at least for now
The longest officially certified UHBR20 DP2.1 cable is 1.5m lol... Worse than the HDMI cable they shipped the LG27GR95QE with, which caused the monitor to turn black randomly until you changed it
For my 57" Samsung, I got UGreen DP2.1 8K@240Hz and seems to work. As you were saying for the cost of the monitor and GPU they could give a longer cable. (Stingy) My computer is on the opposite side of the monitor.
In regards to the 1m DP2.1 cable, at the moment, the longest CERTIFIED DP2.1 cable is only 1.2m long (Club3D). AFAIK, there isn't a longer DP2.1 certified cable yet that can be guaranteed to work. Perhaps in the future, there will be longer cables when they improve the standards for DP2.1. You can find the list of certified DP2.1 cables on the VESA Displayport site.
@@kissu_io Unfortunately for a lot of people with their display setups not directly next to their computer, it is not enough if you also account for the bends you have to make on the cable to get around objects like parts of the table or display mount for a cleaner cable management.
It's very noticeable different colored text. If you use discord you will notice it night and day. I gave my $2000 Predator X27 that I had since right after its release to a family member that doesn't use discord often and mainly does gaming on it. because I knew DSC wouldn't bother them as much although I showed them how to lower the refresh rate so DSC wasn't an issue.
I wish latency was tested between uncompressed 80gbps and 40gbps+dsc. I know that's been done time and time again with other signals like 1440p 240hz since that can be done without dsc at 8bit but not 10bit. Still would've been nice to see a graph though.
From exp and what others have said. It has issues alt tabbing out of full screen games and black screen flickers etc. I use to not have that issue until upgrading to 4k 240hz. My 1440p 240hz had no such issues. @vincentrowold1104
Finally it's being talked about, and at such detail! Thank you for being so clear and concise with all the information we could possibly need. Good Video!
The AW3225QF has been reported on the NVidia forums to have VRR screen flicker issues. It also has an active fan inside and curved (which isn't great for viewing angles). For those 3 reasons I avoided it and went with the FO32U2P. Zero issues so far, so i'm pleased I chose it over the AW one. Plus its a bit more futureproof in that it supports proper DP2.1 UHBR20. No doubt the Nvidia 50XX series cards and AMD's new offerings will also sport at least one DP 2.1 UHBR20 connector.
@@0perativeX I get the AW3225QF because of its slight curve. The FO32U2P is not officially certified by Nvidia to be "G-Sync Compatible" whereas the AW3225QF is. This leads me to the hope that Alienware can provide a firmware update to improve VRR like msi already did. Also, it is not supported yet by the driver. The FAN does not bother me at all, if it helps with OLEDs to keep them cooler the better. Also, it is 330€ cheaper and as OLED is yet not that bright I hope that 2025/2026 panels will be brighter so I will upgrade non the less.
@@lilpain1997 the Aorus FO32U2P I picked up yesterday doesn't have any VRR flicker so far. Haven't had any with my 42" LG C2 OLED either. For the FO32U2P i'm using the Mini DP 2.1 cable that came in the box. With the C2 i'm using HDMI 2.1. Both with VRR/G-sync compatible mode enabled. I wonder if the flicker that others have reported is occurring in conjunction with nvidia DSR use?
@@interceptor001 It may not be officially certified but i can tell you right now through personal use that G-sync compatible mode is working perfectly with this monitor and I've had zero VRR flicker so far.
I would be fine with the occasional HDMI 3 or DP 3 or USB 17. It'd be so much easier to just increment the number sensibly. I'm looking forward to PCI 6x16+3.5 or something. :D
Just make sure it says DP80 or UHBR20 in the product description and you should be fine. I know what you mean though, they made this far more complicated than it needed to be.
I have a recommended category "Best secondary Monitor" Since secondary monitors aren't really used for gaming and will have static images most of the time, shakes things up for different suggestions. Where picture comes more into play over just speed.
@@Floturcocantsee idk if i trust it really has zero performance and input lag impact, unless someone actually benchmarks this its still safer to use fullscreen exclusive. besides its a win 11 feature, isnt it? most people are on 10.
@Floturcocantsee i actually dislike fullscreen. I like not having to hit my windows key or alt tabbing every time i want to move my cursor over to my other two monitors
Exactly the information I needed, at exactly the right level of complexity, exactly when I needed it. Fantastic! I strongly support your ”real world user actual importance” angle, as I am one them. Pressing subscribe, twice. Cheers!
Invaluable information about DP 2.1 as I plan a new rig around March next year to replace my 8yr old PC to one with a 5070ti/5080 which according to VideoCardz will ship with DP 2.1a. I'm still on 1080p, so looking at skipping 1440p and jumping right into 4k gaming too, so your breakdown was music to my ears and done with great clarity, so thanks for such a well produced Vid. Also Scan here in the UK have a Club3D 1.6M DP80 2.1 to 2.1 cable for £20 (gbp)
Got this monitor yesterday and I have it hooked up to a RTX 4080 Super's DP1.4 connector, the other end plugged into the monitor's DP2.1 mini port. It's been running absolutely fine at 4K 240hz (using DSC). The picture quality is great and there are several HDR colour options in the menu so you can tailor everything to your liking. It'll be interesting to test it out with a RTX 5080 when those come out (hopefully with a UHBR20 DP2.1 connector) but for now, everything working is great and i'm pleased with my purchase.
Am I right in thinking you can turn pixel shift/screen move OFF in your settings? I’m interested in this monitor solely because it seems to be the only qd-oled that allows you to do this. Is that correct?!
Just the video I was hoping for! With that said, I sort of feel that the DSC-part was a bit underwhelming. For instance, DSC is a lossy compression since it removes data. This will lead to compression artifacts. There is also the error-rate for the reconstruction of the removed data. On top of that, DSC does not use previous frame to improve compression quality like other algorithms. This means that from frame-to-frame, there will always be artifacts. When DSC are at its worst, is at very sudden changes from frame-to-frame. An explosion in a video-game or a gun muzzle flash, for example. Latency is a none issue. It will proximate to the same latency as running with 4:2:2 subsampling (has to reconstruct to RGB before the monitor can use it). With all that said, one could say that viewing a image in png vs jpg is similar to native vs DSC. The differences are there (for every frame), but does those differences matter? I think you should be able to showcase these difference between a DP 1.4 graphic card and a DP 2.1 UHBR 20 graphic card with slowmotioning them side by side during an explosion in a video game. EDIT: reference with sample: forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?t=12235
A bit unrelated but there's been a recent discovery that QD OLEDs have worse PQ EOTF tracking in the lower portion if they are "warm", meaning after being on for like 40min. This would mean shadow detail is severely raised by 300%, whereas at startup everything appears fine. Can you test this as well?
All of the testing seen on this channel so far has been when monitors have been warmed up for hours, and I've seen quite a few monitors with good lower portion tracking when warm. So not sure where that's come from
@@monitorsunboxed this info comes from Dylan Raga, who is a display reviewer over at XDADevelopers. He shared his findings in a HDR discord community called "HDR Den". Others were able to corroborate his results. I don't think he has made an article about this yet, because he also tries to understand the issue further. This problem seems to affect gen1/2 of QD OLED as well
Forgive me for noticing but the image quality and lighting at 17:22 is far superior on the Gigabye than on the Asus. Just look how vivid it looks on the left. I just got this monitor but it doesn't display a 240hz refresh rate, not in the monitor settings, not in windows. I have an GTX 1080TI with D.P. 1.4a and it should be fine at 240hz on 4k but it doesn't work. I tried 3 different cables, switched ports, nothing works. the monitor is stuck at 120hz in 4k resolution. Can you enable or disable DSC on this monitor?
I spent quite some hours trying to understand all the limits on Wikipedia and was worried that I would need to have a 2.1. But no GPU no supporting it was quite crazy to me. Turns out I can run my future 240Hz 4K OLED with DSC. That's definitely not a deal breaker then. Especially if you support the fact that the compression is not too awful. Thanks sir for the deep dive.
Thanks Tim! This is EXACTLY why I have yet to buy this monitor. Waiting for your review. Great explanation on DP2.1 UHBR20. You just confirmed what I thought about future-proofing. In Singapore, the prices of all the latest QD-OLED are quite similar so if the FO32U2P has similar performance as the MSI, then I would buy the Gigabyte. I keep my monitors for a long time and I go thru 2-3 GPUs during the life of my monitors across 4-5 generations of GPU. Meaning I change monitor every 5-6 years. Anyway, you wouldn't notice ANY difference in YT vid to compare DP2.1 & DP1.4 because the footage are compressed and max out at 4K60. Text scrolling wouldn't show as well but UFO test will be interesting. I guess only hi-res RAW pictures & low compression HDR10-12 videos will show some difference. From what I read, DSC works by converting RGB signals to a colour space that represent what our eyes can detect, then from there decrease the bit depth of the chroma channels from 10 bits to 8 or 6 bits. The monitor will then interpolate adjacent pixels' chroma channels so colour gradients will not exhibit any banding issues due to drop in bit depth, hence dynamic range. Pictures that may exhibit issues with DSC may be high contrast photos of leaves or grass against bright background, and brightly lit fur/feather. But I must admit that at such high DPI, most people will not be able to spot it. This is probably more obvious with 50"+ displays. Will be interesting to see if high refresh rates will affect grey-to-grey response time. Looking forward to full review! Edit: Pairing this with the 7900XTX so I hope a good 2M DP2.1 cable will work. At worst, maybe do what Linus did and buy an active optical DP2.1 cable but those are REALLY expensive!
The Displayport 2.1 standard now supports link training, so it's theoretically possible to detect a degraded cable and revert with the source. I think it just isn't implemented in current PHYs.
Following up on this, based on the DisplayPort RX Subsystem LogiCORE IP Product Guide (PG233) from Xilinx which implements a DP 2.1 RX for FPGAs, the GPU/TX is responsible for determining the bandwidth after the link training period. The RX side can suggest a bandwidth in advance of link training but the GPU is the ultimate arbiter of what bandwidth is actually targeted for the communication. Thus, I think that the problem here is actually on AMD's side in not using the training results to determine bandwidth rather than on the monitor.
2 hours ago?! Impeccable timing, Tim! I ordered the Aorus without 2.1 last night and was wondering if it's a big deal and if I should cancel the order, I guess not! Brilliant video as always, cheers!
Kept this monitor over the MSI MPG 321URX QD-OLED HDR is great the MSI version in dark areas was flickering but not this monitor and I didn't want to rely on firmware updates months later in extremely happy with the AORUS FO32U2P and a plus side my MB and GPU are both gigabyte so can control everything on GCC
I used. To have random black screen problems, in the end, it is all because the cable is not up to spec, change to the validated one the problems gone.
So this is a little like when I bought my ultrawide in 2020 - I opted against going for HDMI 2.1, thinking it was pointless at the time. Ultimately, I regretted it, but it took 4 years for me to regret it. By that time, new monitors like these awesome 32" 4k OLEDs were launching, and it didn't matter.
8:25 you need to put an edit into the video, one of those text boxes showing the correction here. I could not understand why Gigabyte would ever include such a tiny cable and then later you release a whole video explaining that those specific high-end DP cables only come in 1.2 meter length. I'm happy you released a video but please edit this one as well to include the correction.
Thanks for explaining the differences and what we need to make things work! I recently bought some nice DisplayPort cables that can handle DP80, so now I just need a video card and monitor that also do. I am hoping the new Nvidia 5000 cards have this working. Thumbs up.
What do you mean by this 10:55? What do you mean Display port scalers? What is that? Aren't scalers a TV/monitor thing? What does it have to do with Display Port?
@@Dubulcle Well the super long mode switches (alt+tab/fullscreen) with DSC is painfully annoying and I'm more than glad when GPUs will come with 2.1 so that the DSC can go to hell. It takes several seconds sometimes and this is annoying when you want to play a new game, and have to hope the few first seconds are just company logos
I just bought this monitor mostly because of the the DP output for daisy chaining working with it's KVM switch. Allows me use the same setup for my dual monitor gaming PC with and my work laptop with out sacrificing high refresh rate if i was to use an external KVM switch that are usually limited to 60hz.
8:48 The longest cable certified by VESA for UHBR20 is 1.2 Meters. You will never use a 2M cable with UHBR20 unless it's optical or has active signal boosting.
@@Relex_92 UHBR 13.5 is still the best bandwidth you can get in a normal cable. PC Gamers intending to use UHBR 20 just need to move their tower closer to the monitor.
@@Relex_92 Half the problem right now is the companies refuse to make bigger cables. DVI plugs were huge but that cable format probably could push UHBR20 for more than one meter. For whatever reason VESA and HDMI over the last 20 years have decided EVERYTHING needs to be able to run off a tiny plug.
I ordered the Aorus FO32U2P. And I didn't really do that for DP2.1, though that is one of the few reasons I bought it. The main reason I bought it, is that it was one of the few QD-OLEDs I could actually get since everything else is out of stock. Also where I live the price difference between the DP2.1 and the cheaper 1.4 version wasn't big enough to warrant going for the cheaper one, as they already cost a lot of money out of the gate.
This is perfect timing for me. I wanted to get the Aorus FO32U2P because it seemed like the ideal OLED monitor for me, especially its DP 2.1 UHBR 20 support. I then found out that WOLED monitors are better with lots of ambient lighting, especially if they have a slighly more matte display like the recent LG 32" 4k 240Hz monitor, so I might be willing to sacrifice DP 2.1 for a better experience with an open window. I don't think I'd ever use DSR on a 4k monitor, so it likely doesn't matter to me.
I have found that between my 4k 120hz display and my 4k 240hz display with DSC, I can tell a difference visually when using DLSS. So only when using not native resolution it doesn't scale as well with DSC enabled. That is apart in R6 siege when looking at saran wrapped crates for example. Outside of that can't see a difference. This is on the MSI MPG 321URX
I have the PG32UCDM, I can tell the difference between 2k240+DSC and native 4k120, text is sharper without the DSC, it was bothering me since day 1 that I bought the monitor, but now with DSC disabled, text looks normal again. I could notice because I had an alienware AD3423DWF before that did not use DSC, as well as an asus oled laptop, and the text and colours looked better on both.
Just to let everyone else know. In Linux there are still major issues with using DSC and NVIDIA cards. I cannot get it to work on Debian 12 + 4090 + 32GQ950.
If you use Linux for gaming, then you have plenty of stuff to waste your time on besides that. Linux is garbage for gaming in 99.9% of games and get zero development focus.
@@Dr.WhetFarts I never said I use it for gaming. Imagine people using Linux for work because it is actually much faster than windows for certain tasks and has better tool support..... I still want my 160hz I paid for ALSO on linux!
@@Dr.WhetFartsNobody asked whether it’s optimal for gaming. People have reasons to use the systems they do, who are you to question that without knowing the context?
It would be good to see direct input lag comparisons with DSC on and off, and inspection on whether DSC affects the image in any way when there's a lot of very fast movement (like OW2 combat).
It may not be mandatory, but I am not dropping over $1,000 only to be forced to use an old standard connection when there is no legitimate excuse for a top of the line monitor to not have DisplayPort 2.1 (UHBR20) in 2024. DP 1.4 forces you to use DSC at 4K 240Hz, whereas you can get that natively for 2.1
I have the aurorus 32 4k 240hz. I have the same flickering issue. In the box of the monitor there is the supplied high speed hdmi cable. I can confirm that everything higher then 60hz brings direct on/off of the screen. I tried everything, f06 firmware monitor update, mother board firmware update, latest nvidia drivers, resetted all to default settings. If you go higher then 60hz it gives flickering. I disable free sync pro on the screen and sometimes it stays running on 120hz. But the random time flickering occurs. Issue still not solved, in 3 days I ll receive the ordered uhbr20 dp cable and will try again. What a madness is this.6000€ setup and having crap issues and nobody tells you everything (then your video... This is +1).
Also, with DSC as it is, whenever you use a monitor that requires DSC to get all your shiny features (res, refresh, bit depth, etc..) you're effectively limiting the amount of monitors you can connect to your GPU because DSC will use more than one display head to drive that screen. I am typing this on the above mentioned monitor in this discussion and I bought it in anticipation of full spec DP 2.1 coming out with the next generation of GPUs (nVidia 5000 - series, AMD - 9000 series) so that I could purchase 2 more of these monitors and connect them to the same GPU w/o to install a secondary GPU into my system and halving my PCIE lanes (z790 here).
Another limit of using DSC is multimonitor support. You're limited to 2 monitors in this configuration. From Nvidia: When a display is connected to the GPU and is set to DSC mode, the GPU may use two internal heads to drive the display when the pixel rate needed to drive the display mode exceeds the GPU’s single head limit. This may affect your display topology when using multiple monitors. For example if two displays with support for DSC are connected to a single GeForce GPU, all 4 internal heads will be utilized and you will not be able to use a third monitor with the GPU at the same time.
Great video , to be honest is too soon for DP 2.1 , but is nice that some company are put that in, with those monitors price range the more feature u have the better
I was concerned at my Alienware AW3423DWF stepping down to 8-bit signal to get the full 165Hz, great to see that question answered and it's basically no difference except in math.
That's 8 bit + FRC, not DSC. If it had DSC it would run 10 bit all the way to 165 hz. The AW3423DW/F doesn't support DSC. Most (if any) people probably can't tell the difference between true 10 bit and 8 bit + FRC but we are talking about 2 different things although from my understanding they're both used to save bandwidth.
This is so good! Have you by chance made a video in this format for HDMI 2.1? I remember some that discussed it a lot on HU, but one in this format would absolutely demistify that for beginners, too. Thank you!
Any word on Tandem OLED gaming monitors coming?? Honor Magic 6 Pro uses Tandem OLED. LG Display is working on 17-inch foldable Tandem OLED panels. What about monitors?
Thanks for confirming my thoughts that DSC really doesn't degrade visual quality in any perceptible sense. I like that movie compression example. Tbh I cannot tell any difference between a full Bluray and an encode at half the size, even with pausing and staring on my 83 in TV. Feeling more reassured with my new AW3225QF now.
@worldwanderingfisherman2166 It's very much like modern lossy audio compression. It throws out data that can either be reconstructed from the other data (usually at reduced accuracy) or an imperfect human organ isn't sensitive to (much like chroma subsampling which focuses on the most important aspect of an image in relation to the human eye: luminance).
@@worldwanderingfisherman2166 I have the PG32UCDM, I can tell the difference between 2k240+DSC and native 4k120, text is sharper without the DSC, it was bothering me since day 1 that I bought the monitor, but now with DSC disabled, text looks normal again. I could notice because I had an alienware AD3423DWF before that did not use DSC, as well as an asus oled laptop (H7604JI), and the text and colours looked better on both. I was always bothered by 4k video looking more like 1080p as well. without DSC 4k video actually looks crisp. Few people will notice, but i'm a photographer, so maybe that's why I can tell.
I am still in my return window for my Alienware 32 inch 4k oled…..I do plan on getting a 50 series on day one release(I live next to micro center)….might return it tbh
I had similar issues with the first DCI 4K 60Hz monitor I purchased since only the newest (at the time) DP1.2 cables could support the 60Hz refresh rate and all my existing cables were 1.0 which wouldn't. I had to force the monitor to not use DP 1.2 in the menu to use the DP 1.0 cables.
DP2.1 really is one of these things where you go: Yeah cool it's there I'll take it, but it'll not sell a device purely based on that. My monitor has been working pretty much flawlessly with DSC, but I also have an AMD GPU.
Badly waiting for the review of the Aorus. Here in Germany the Asus is 1800€ and the Aorus 1450€, so if there will be no big diffrences in features I will still go for the Aorus just becasue Asus is insane in the pricing deparment.
Is there any latency difference between DSC and without? If image quality is essentially the same then only difference left I could imagine might be a _slight_ latency advantage without compression... but then maybe there's an overhead in sending _more_ uncompressed data anyway 🙂
I honestly wonder what by now the technical limit for monitor's refreshrate would be? Somehow it seems only the cable bandwidth limiting their maximum refreshrate? crazy.
Any chance of adding firmware update options when present/known during monitor reviews? When available, monitors offering choices of through direct connection to the internet (no PC requirement), from a USB memory stick (generic computer requirement to setup stick), across a connected USB cable (specific OS+software requirement), and across a video cable (specific OS+software+GPU requirements). It can also impact and how unreliable/annoying a firmware transfer may be to perform.
DisplayPort daisy-chaining will require twice the bandwidth. Daisy-chaining the DisplayPort signal is useful if using the first monitor as a KVM and you want to connect a laptop to multiple monitors using a single cable. Of course, still waiting on those laptops with DisplayPort 2.1. FYI, might want to test the KVM and daisy-chain capability in the full monitor review.
ugh nice idea, except they come with the monitors own cables so its redundant, also it s very hard to tell any speed difference, maybe we will once the 5090's come
I heard from "The Display Guy" on RUclips that there's a bug with dsc that causes a black screen to appear for a while when alt tabbing on certain gpus. Wanted to know if this is better with DP2.1 but it wasnt mentioned sadly.
well, I’m pretty sure RTX 5000 series will have display port 2.1 and because gigabyte is also making GPU’s they already know this and that’s why they are making display port 2.1 monitor with UHBR20 . I might be wrong, but I would bet for this. 🙂 Thanks for sharing this I’m curious if it is better than the PG32UCDM or mostly the same . I already got the PG32UCDM and love it . I don’t know if it’s like this, but maybe with uncompressed signal if you alt tab from a game there will be no flicker or black screen for a moment ? anyways, the main difference will be display port 2.1 on Aorus side and Dolby Vision Which should be implemented later this year on Asus side . Which is the better choice? What do you think? Thank You!
Ended up picking up this one since everything else was out of stock and I wanted DP2.1 The main issues I've been having with it is whenever a full screen application or game launches, it's likely to go fully black, pop up the DP2.1 input on the OSD, then go back to the normal display... Is this intended? Am I missing a setting? Is this a DP2.1 issue or an issue with how this monitor works? Also I'm using the provided Dp to mini Dp cable with a 3080, wondering if I should swap to HDMI 2.1 if the bandwidth isn't even full spec anyways
From my experience, and from this video, it seems like all of the provided display cables with this gen's monitors are just worthless if you want to avoid issues like yours. You have to buy a premium cable.
Yes. I have a Asus pg32ucdm. My monitor blackout frequently using HDR on helldivers 2 on DP and HDMI 2.1. not sure what the actual problem is, windows HDR, game HDR, monitor or whatever.
Finally, a proper 10 bit monitor. I notice that Blackmagic Design make DeckLink monitor cards up to 12 bit, with SDI/HDMI 2.0a, REC 2020, 4:4:4 colour space, up to 8K. Not sure if they will work with this monitor though, or if you could play games with them. Great for editing though.
I had to return the Asus PG27AQN 360hz because it was unstable with G-Sync on. The screen would go on and off every 1-2 seconds. I hope we don`t have bugs like this with DisplayPort 2.1 .
problems with cables quality occurs with every new release of DP/HDMI. DP 2.1 HBR 20 make sens if you like to daisy chain two monitors, then you have 40Gbps per display
I should note here the longer DisplayPort cables I showed in this video I couldn't even test with this monitor as they were normal DP cables - so they might not work, and probably won't work because they're not officially DP80 certified by VESA. Which is another layer of confusion because cables can be DP2.1 certified but not certified for the full bandwidth requirements as DP2.1 has multiple bandwidth specs. I bought them to see whether they'd work but ultimately because the W7800 doesn't support UHBR20 over full sized DP I was unable to check their advertised claims
EDIT: As several commenters have pointed out, the longest certified DP80 cables are 1.2m long, which further restricts cable compatibility and usability. DP1.4 monitors can easily use 5m cables but if you want to go with DP2.1 UHBR20 you'll be stuck with these short cables by the sounds of things, at least for now
Was going to say, Gigabyte's PR told me that longer DP80 cables aren't yet available!
The longest officially certified UHBR20 DP2.1 cable is 1.5m lol...
Worse than the HDMI cable they shipped the LG27GR95QE with, which caused the monitor to turn black randomly until you changed it
@@PhixisoFunny that you happened to mention this. I do notice this with my 27GR95QE-B sometimes but very rarely.
Any update to report regarding your long-term Burn-In test?
For my 57" Samsung, I got UGreen DP2.1 8K@240Hz and seems to work. As you were saying for the cost of the monitor and GPU they could give a longer cable. (Stingy) My computer is on the opposite side of the monitor.
The monitor sitting on the very edge of your desk had me clenching lol
It's actually slightly off the desk
@@monitorsunboxed love how you just make it worse haha
Same here ! My balls where itching
Don't worry. Only Linus breaks things.
@@Tekel-Upharsin didn't MKBHD break Fisker?
(No, he didn't, they did, it's just a joke before anyone kicks off)
Thank you for addressing this. During the time I was looking at the new 32" OLED displays, I saw so many comments about DP 2.1 vs 1.4.
In regards to the 1m DP2.1 cable, at the moment, the longest CERTIFIED DP2.1 cable is only 1.2m long (Club3D). AFAIK, there isn't a longer DP2.1 certified cable yet that can be guaranteed to work. Perhaps in the future, there will be longer cables when they improve the standards for DP2.1. You can find the list of certified DP2.1 cables on the VESA Displayport site.
Actually I think it is even worse - longest fully certified DP80 (not DP40) cable is 1.2m
Definitely enough in terms of length IMO.
@@mnkeyclwrl Ah yes, you are correct. Fixed my number.
@@kissu_io Unfortunately for a lot of people with their display setups not directly next to their computer, it is not enough if you also account for the bends you have to make on the cable to get around objects like parts of the table or display mount for a cleaner cable management.
@@kissu_io For most people? Yes.
But some people like to put their PC in other rooms.
Appreciate the clarity on the situation.
That's a lot of letters and numbers in the script, the fact you can roll them off without a slip up is amazing.
Teleprompter?
@@Ni5ei Doubt I could do it with a teleprompter!
@@cptwhiteyou’re not the only one 😂
He has been doing this a while. Im sure its practice
mfg
This video came at the best time ever, I was researching some monitors with DP 2.1 and this video popped up. HUGE thanks!
Yay! I've been waiting for DSC vs non-DSC video coverage for months. Thanks for explaining, Tim. I'm glad to hear that it's a negligible difference.
Thanks tim even though test was flawed lol.
+Test is Flawed, different monitors used.
@@Keltzzzzthey use the same display made by SAMSUNG
It's very noticeable different colored text. If you use discord you will notice it night and day. I gave my $2000 Predator X27 that I had since right after its release to a family member that doesn't use discord often and mainly does gaming on it. because I knew DSC wouldn't bother them as much although I showed them how to lower the refresh rate so DSC wasn't an issue.
Love the research coverage into dsc
Fantastic video, Tim. Exactly the kind of info I was looking for.
Thank you for explaining this. The question we all had but no one answered
I wish latency was tested between uncompressed 80gbps and 40gbps+dsc. I know that's been done time and time again with other signals like 1440p 240hz since that can be done without dsc at 8bit but not 10bit. Still would've been nice to see a graph though.
does latency improves with dsc off on those tests ?
Latency testing will be done in the actual monitor review, but given the DP1.4+DSC monitors have
@@monitorsunboxed What if pumping 80gbps bandwidth is worse.
Some people swear that dsc creates some kind of delay different feeling with a mouse cursor
From exp and what others have said. It has issues alt tabbing out of full screen games and black screen flickers etc. I use to not have that issue until upgrading to 4k 240hz. My 1440p 240hz had no such issues. @vincentrowold1104
Finally it's being talked about, and at such detail!
Thank you for being so clear and concise with all the information we could possibly need.
Good Video!
I love that you did research reading threw papers! Thx for doing so. I was so worried to get the AW3225QF because of DSC but it is so much cheaper.
The AW3225QF has been reported on the NVidia forums to have VRR screen flicker issues. It also has an active fan inside and curved (which isn't great for viewing angles). For those 3 reasons I avoided it and went with the FO32U2P. Zero issues so far, so i'm pleased I chose it over the AW one. Plus its a bit more futureproof in that it supports proper DP2.1 UHBR20. No doubt the Nvidia 50XX series cards and AMD's new offerings will also sport at least one DP 2.1 UHBR20 connector.
@@0perativeX I get the AW3225QF because of its slight curve. The FO32U2P is not officially certified by Nvidia to be "G-Sync Compatible" whereas the AW3225QF is. This leads me to the hope that Alienware can provide a firmware update to improve VRR like msi already did. Also, it is not supported yet by the driver. The FAN does not bother me at all, if it helps with OLEDs to keep them cooler the better. Also, it is 330€ cheaper and as OLED is yet not that bright I hope that 2025/2026 panels will be brighter so I will upgrade non the less.
@@0perativeXAll OLEDs will have vrr flicker it seems. Literally not seen one without it.
@@lilpain1997 the Aorus FO32U2P I picked up yesterday doesn't have any VRR flicker so far. Haven't had any with my 42" LG C2 OLED either. For the FO32U2P i'm using the Mini DP 2.1 cable that came in the box. With the C2 i'm using HDMI 2.1. Both with VRR/G-sync compatible mode enabled. I wonder if the flicker that others have reported is occurring in conjunction with nvidia DSR use?
@@interceptor001 It may not be officially certified but i can tell you right now through personal use that G-sync compatible mode is working perfectly with this monitor and I've had zero VRR flicker so far.
For fuck's sake
All they had to do was not name them all DP 2.1
It'll just lead to more confusion like with the new HDMI naming...
Somehow less than useless companies in charge of naming standards. I guess it helps screw the consumer so... that's good?
I would be fine with the occasional HDMI 3 or DP 3 or USB 17. It'd be so much easier to just increment the number sensibly. I'm looking forward to PCI 6x16+3.5 or something. :D
Add USB to that list too, it's like they're all in on it together to con customers.
Just make sure it says DP80 or UHBR20 in the product description and you should be fine. I know what you mean though, they made this far more complicated than it needed to be.
They know exactly what they are doing. Just look at USB standards. They want to confuse consumers so we just buy thinking we got the right stuff.
i actually really appreciate this video. thank you
Excellent video and thanks for the information.
Learned quite a bit.
This was an extremely helpful explanation of the situation with these monitor connections! Thank you so much!
I took a shot for every acronynm in this video.. im now dead
Thank you Tim. This was the monitor I am waiting for, so can't wait to see the review.
thank You, this is the best info on topic i have found so far
I have a recommended category "Best secondary Monitor"
Since secondary monitors aren't really used for gaming and will have static images most of the time, shakes things up for different suggestions.
Where picture comes more into play over just speed.
Another two reasons people dont want to use DSC is faster alt-tabbing, and potentially lower latency. Testing that would be interesting.
The alt tabbing is fixed by upgrading games to using flip model dxgi surfaces with mpos exclusive fullscreen should be avoided entirely
@@Floturcocantsee idk if i trust it really has zero performance and input lag impact, unless someone actually benchmarks this its still safer to use fullscreen exclusive. besides its a win 11 feature, isnt it? most people are on 10.
This should have been the main thing to test here actually. How could it be avoided in the first place?
@@Floturcocantseei just run my games in borderless
@Floturcocantsee i actually dislike fullscreen. I like not having to hit my windows key or alt tabbing every time i want to move my cursor over to my other two monitors
Thank you for educating us
Exactly the information I needed, at exactly the right level of complexity, exactly when I needed it. Fantastic! I strongly support your ”real world user actual importance” angle, as I am one them. Pressing subscribe, twice.
Cheers!
Invaluable information about DP 2.1 as I plan a new rig around March next year to replace my 8yr old PC to one with a 5070ti/5080 which according to VideoCardz will ship with DP 2.1a. I'm still on 1080p, so looking at skipping 1440p and jumping right into 4k gaming too, so your breakdown was music to my ears and done with great clarity, so thanks for such a well produced Vid. Also Scan here in the UK have a Club3D 1.6M DP80 2.1 to 2.1 cable for £20 (gbp)
Got this monitor yesterday and I have it hooked up to a RTX 4080 Super's DP1.4 connector, the other end plugged into the monitor's DP2.1 mini port. It's been running absolutely fine at 4K 240hz (using DSC). The picture quality is great and there are several HDR colour options in the menu so you can tailor everything to your liking. It'll be interesting to test it out with a RTX 5080 when those come out (hopefully with a UHBR20 DP2.1 connector) but for now, everything working is great and i'm pleased with my purchase.
There are no HDR color options
@@markshenefelt7611 There are several HDR presets. HDR standard, HDR Game, HDR HLG, HDR Vivid, HDR Cinema
Am I right in thinking you can turn pixel shift/screen move OFF in your settings?
I’m interested in this monitor solely because it seems to be the only qd-oled that allows you to do this. Is that correct?!
@@thepadster123 You can indeed. The option is in the OLED Care settings menu. You can toggle pixel shift on and off in there.
@0perativeX
Thank you! 🙏
Just the video I was hoping for! With that said, I sort of feel that the DSC-part was a bit underwhelming. For instance, DSC is a lossy compression since it removes data. This will lead to compression artifacts. There is also the error-rate for the reconstruction of the removed data. On top of that, DSC does not use previous frame to improve compression quality like other algorithms. This means that from frame-to-frame, there will always be artifacts. When DSC are at its worst, is at very sudden changes from frame-to-frame. An explosion in a video-game or a gun muzzle flash, for example. Latency is a none issue. It will proximate to the same latency as running with 4:2:2 subsampling (has to reconstruct to RGB before the monitor can use it).
With all that said, one could say that viewing a image in png vs jpg is similar to native vs DSC. The differences are there (for every frame), but does those differences matter? I think you should be able to showcase these difference between a DP 1.4 graphic card and a DP 2.1 UHBR 20 graphic card with slowmotioning them side by side during an explosion in a video game.
EDIT: reference with sample: forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?t=12235
Thanks! You answered my questions like backwards compatibility, differences in DP2.1 standards and image quality.
Love the video Tim. As of now there are longer certified DP 80 cables, just ordered a club 3d 80 5.25 feet for 23usd off Amazon
DSC also usually disables MultiPlaneOverlay (MPO) on the "two GPU heads used" connections.
A bit unrelated but there's been a recent discovery that QD OLEDs have worse PQ EOTF tracking in the lower portion if they are "warm", meaning after being on for like 40min. This would mean shadow detail is severely raised by 300%, whereas at startup everything appears fine. Can you test this as well?
interesting, can you link the source please?
All of the testing seen on this channel so far has been when monitors have been warmed up for hours, and I've seen quite a few monitors with good lower portion tracking when warm. So not sure where that's come from
@@monitorsunboxed this info comes from Dylan Raga, who is a display reviewer over at XDADevelopers. He shared his findings in a HDR discord community called "HDR Den". Others were able to corroborate his results. I don't think he has made an article about this yet, because he also tries to understand the issue further. This problem seems to affect gen1/2 of QD OLED as well
@@monitorsunboxed Dylan Raga has published his review of the AW3225QF on XDA now, and also included a section about this problem with pictures
@@monitorsunboxed Dylan's review of Dell's 32" 4K QD-OLED is out now and also touches upon this problem
Forgive me for noticing but the image quality and lighting at 17:22 is far superior on the Gigabye than on the Asus. Just look how vivid it looks on the left. I just got this monitor but it doesn't display a 240hz refresh rate, not in the monitor settings, not in windows. I have an GTX 1080TI with D.P. 1.4a and it should be fine at 240hz on 4k but it doesn't work. I tried 3 different cables, switched ports, nothing works. the monitor is stuck at 120hz in 4k resolution. Can you enable or disable DSC on this monitor?
I spent quite some hours trying to understand all the limits on Wikipedia and was worried that I would need to have a 2.1. But no GPU no supporting it was quite crazy to me.
Turns out I can run my future 240Hz 4K OLED with DSC. That's definitely not a deal breaker then. Especially if you support the fact that the compression is not too awful.
Thanks sir for the deep dive.
Untill you get issues like black screen flicker because of the DSC and G-Sync.
wish we had a system power consumption comparison between DSC and non DSC, idle clocks etc.
Thanks Tim! This is EXACTLY why I have yet to buy this monitor. Waiting for your review.
Great explanation on DP2.1 UHBR20. You just confirmed what I thought about future-proofing. In Singapore, the prices of all the latest QD-OLED are quite similar so if the FO32U2P has similar performance as the MSI, then I would buy the Gigabyte. I keep my monitors for a long time and I go thru 2-3 GPUs during the life of my monitors across 4-5 generations of GPU. Meaning I change monitor every 5-6 years.
Anyway, you wouldn't notice ANY difference in YT vid to compare DP2.1 & DP1.4 because the footage are compressed and max out at 4K60. Text scrolling wouldn't show as well but UFO test will be interesting.
I guess only hi-res RAW pictures & low compression HDR10-12 videos will show some difference. From what I read, DSC works by converting RGB signals to a colour space that represent what our eyes can detect, then from there decrease the bit depth of the chroma channels from 10 bits to 8 or 6 bits. The monitor will then interpolate adjacent pixels' chroma channels so colour gradients will not exhibit any banding issues due to drop in bit depth, hence dynamic range.
Pictures that may exhibit issues with DSC may be high contrast photos of leaves or grass against bright background, and brightly lit fur/feather. But I must admit that at such high DPI, most people will not be able to spot it. This is probably more obvious with 50"+ displays. Will be interesting to see if high refresh rates will affect grey-to-grey response time.
Looking forward to full review!
Edit: Pairing this with the 7900XTX so I hope a good 2M DP2.1 cable will work. At worst, maybe do what Linus did and buy an active optical DP2.1 cable but those are REALLY expensive!
the 7900 xtx is uhbr 13.5, not uhbr 20.
@@MrJojo6713 Correct. It's mentioned in one of the videos in this series that MU used the AMD Radeon Pro card to test.
The Displayport 2.1 standard now supports link training, so it's theoretically possible to detect a degraded cable and revert with the source. I think it just isn't implemented in current PHYs.
Following up on this, based on the DisplayPort RX Subsystem LogiCORE IP Product Guide (PG233) from Xilinx which implements a DP 2.1 RX for FPGAs, the GPU/TX is responsible for determining the bandwidth after the link training period. The RX side can suggest a bandwidth in advance of link training but the GPU is the ultimate arbiter of what bandwidth is actually targeted for the communication. Thus, I think that the problem here is actually on AMD's side in not using the training results to determine bandwidth rather than on the monitor.
Very well explained. Thank you!
2 hours ago?! Impeccable timing, Tim! I ordered the Aorus without 2.1 last night and was wondering if it's a big deal and if I should cancel the order, I guess not! Brilliant video as always, cheers!
Kept this monitor over the MSI MPG 321URX QD-OLED HDR is great the MSI version in dark areas was flickering but not this monitor and I didn't want to rely on firmware updates months later in extremely happy with the AORUS FO32U2P and a plus side my MB and GPU are both gigabyte so can control everything on GCC
I used. To have random black screen problems, in the end, it is all because the cable is not up to spec, change to the validated one the problems gone.
So this is a little like when I bought my ultrawide in 2020 - I opted against going for HDMI 2.1, thinking it was pointless at the time. Ultimately, I regretted it, but it took 4 years for me to regret it. By that time, new monitors like these awesome 32" 4k OLEDs were launching, and it didn't matter.
8:25 you need to put an edit into the video, one of those text boxes showing the correction here. I could not understand why Gigabyte would ever include such a tiny cable and then later you release a whole video explaining that those specific high-end DP cables only come in 1.2 meter length. I'm happy you released a video but please edit this one as well to include the correction.
Thanks for explaining the differences and what we need to make things work! I recently bought some nice DisplayPort cables that can handle DP80, so now I just need a video card and monitor that also do. I am hoping the new Nvidia 5000 cards have this working. Thumbs up.
What do you mean by this 10:55? What do you mean Display port scalers? What is that? Aren't scalers a TV/monitor thing? What does it have to do with Display Port?
thank you, i was about to put an order for this just because of the port
Its even without considering the port, the greatest OLED 4k 32" so far.
Why? It's literally worthless
@@De-M-oNObjectively untrue.
@@Dubulcle very true for me. What is in your mind the best one?
@@Dubulcle Well the super long mode switches (alt+tab/fullscreen) with DSC is painfully annoying and I'm more than glad when GPUs will come with 2.1 so that the DSC can go to hell.
It takes several seconds sometimes and this is annoying when you want to play a new game, and have to hope the few first seconds are just company logos
I just bought this monitor mostly because of the the DP output for daisy chaining working with it's KVM switch. Allows me use the same setup for my dual monitor gaming PC with and my work laptop with out sacrificing high refresh rate if i was to use an external KVM switch that are usually limited to 60hz.
8:48 The longest cable certified by VESA for UHBR20 is 1.2 Meters.
You will never use a 2M cable with UHBR20 unless it's optical or has active signal boosting.
@@Relex_92 UHBR 13.5 is still the best bandwidth you can get in a normal cable.
PC Gamers intending to use UHBR 20 just need to move their tower closer to the monitor.
@@Relex_92 Half the problem right now is the companies refuse to make bigger cables. DVI plugs were huge but that cable format probably could push UHBR20 for more than one meter.
For whatever reason VESA and HDMI over the last 20 years have decided EVERYTHING needs to be able to run off a tiny plug.
I ordered the Aorus FO32U2P. And I didn't really do that for DP2.1, though that is one of the few reasons I bought it.
The main reason I bought it, is that it was one of the few QD-OLEDs I could actually get since everything else is out of stock.
Also where I live the price difference between the DP2.1 and the cheaper 1.4 version wasn't big enough to warrant going for the cheaper one, as they already cost a lot of money out of the gate.
Wanted to point out using more dsc leads to artifacting banding and latency of about 2ms
+$200 for that connection. That's how much it cost over the FO32U2 that only has DP1.4
And they only provide that short cable...
The FO32U2P only costs £50 more than the vanilla FO32U2 over here in the UK.
@@0perativeXyeah, because you’re already been raped for the FO32U2 price.
The dp 2.1 standard only allows 1 meter passive cables. 2.1a added support for 2 meter cables.
to be fair this model also has display chaining, although I don't know where that could be useful?
@@kwadwo1000 What about the MSI MAG 321UPX ?
Fantastic video, as always
This is perfect timing for me. I wanted to get the Aorus FO32U2P because it seemed like the ideal OLED monitor for me, especially its DP 2.1 UHBR 20 support. I then found out that WOLED monitors are better with lots of ambient lighting, especially if they have a slighly more matte display like the recent LG 32" 4k 240Hz monitor, so I might be willing to sacrifice DP 2.1 for a better experience with an open window. I don't think I'd ever use DSR on a 4k monitor, so it likely doesn't matter to me.
I have found that between my 4k 120hz display and my 4k 240hz display with DSC, I can tell a difference visually when using DLSS. So only when using not native resolution it doesn't scale as well with DSC enabled.
That is apart in R6 siege when looking at saran wrapped crates for example. Outside of that can't see a difference.
This is on the MSI MPG 321URX
I have the PG32UCDM, I can tell the difference between 2k240+DSC and native 4k120, text is sharper without the DSC, it was bothering me since day 1 that I bought the monitor, but now with DSC disabled, text looks normal again. I could notice because I had an alienware AD3423DWF before that did not use DSC, as well as an asus oled laptop, and the text and colours looked better on both.
Just to let everyone else know. In Linux there are still major issues with using DSC and NVIDIA cards. I cannot get it to work on Debian 12 + 4090 + 32GQ950.
If you use Linux for gaming, then you have plenty of stuff to waste your time on besides that. Linux is garbage for gaming in 99.9% of games and get zero development focus.
@@Dr.WhetFarts I never said I use it for gaming.
Imagine people using Linux for work because it is actually much faster than windows for certain tasks and has better tool support..... I still want my 160hz I paid for ALSO on linux!
@@Dr.WhetFartsNobody asked whether it’s optimal for gaming. People have reasons to use the systems they do, who are you to question that without knowing the context?
They really knitpicked those words for the answer to "what is meant by visually lossless"
It would be good to see direct input lag comparisons with DSC on and off, and inspection on whether DSC affects the image in any way when there's a lot of very fast movement (like OW2 combat).
It may not be mandatory, but I am not dropping over $1,000 only to be forced to use an old standard connection when there is no legitimate excuse for a top of the line monitor to not have DisplayPort 2.1 (UHBR20) in 2024.
DP 1.4 forces you to use DSC at 4K 240Hz, whereas you can get that natively for 2.1
I have the aurorus 32 4k 240hz. I have the same flickering issue. In the box of the monitor there is the supplied high speed hdmi cable. I can confirm that everything higher then 60hz brings direct on/off of the screen. I tried everything, f06 firmware monitor update, mother board firmware update, latest nvidia drivers, resetted all to default settings. If you go higher then 60hz it gives flickering. I disable free sync pro on the screen and sometimes it stays running on 120hz. But the random time flickering occurs. Issue still not solved, in 3 days I ll receive the ordered uhbr20 dp cable and will try again. What a madness is this.6000€ setup and having crap issues and nobody tells you everything (then your video... This is +1).
Also, with DSC as it is, whenever you use a monitor that requires DSC to get all your shiny features (res, refresh, bit depth, etc..) you're effectively limiting the amount of monitors you can connect to your GPU because DSC will use more than one display head to drive that screen. I am typing this on the above mentioned monitor in this discussion and I bought it in anticipation of full spec DP 2.1 coming out with the next generation of GPUs (nVidia 5000 - series, AMD - 9000 series) so that I could purchase 2 more of these monitors and connect them to the same GPU w/o to install a secondary GPU into my system and halving my PCIE lanes (z790 here).
The cable provided with the monitor in the box is likely for daisy chaining the display to another monitor rather than for plugging it into your PC
I don't think so. The mini DP out is only via a full size DP port and the mini is only in. Both the mini in and the cable are full UHBR20.
Another limit of using DSC is multimonitor support. You're limited to 2 monitors in this configuration.
From Nvidia:
When a display is connected to the GPU and is set to DSC mode, the GPU may use two internal heads to drive the display when the pixel rate needed to drive the display mode exceeds the GPU’s single head limit. This may affect your display topology when using multiple monitors. For example if two displays with support for DSC are connected to a single GeForce GPU, all 4 internal heads will be utilized and you will not be able to use a third monitor with the GPU at the same time.
Finally getting dp 2.1... now just need to hope the next gen TVs start using them... or at least it hurries the next hdmi cables.
TVs will never use DP as the standard. You can stop dreaming now.
Why? HDMI 2.1 at 48 Gb is sufficient for the refresh rates the current TVs operate at, no compression required.
@@boshi9 Cause I want them to have less excuses to go higher, been waiting for a 4k 240hz tv for a while now.
TV does not go for DP… they want the copy protection of HDMI…
@@deama15, 1-2 more generations of LG TVs and we’ll be there. The technology is there, it just comes down to development.
great information! thanks for your work.
Great video , to be honest is too soon for DP 2.1 , but is nice that some company are put that in, with those monitors price range the more feature u have the better
Does DSC add any sort of latency?
At least you can quickly tell when the cable you are using is not giving you its full potential.
Anyone else skeptical about DSC being visually identical to uncompressed, but now believe it since Tim said so? Thanks Tim!
I love the jingle at the end ❤
Great video. Thank you!
I was concerned at my Alienware AW3423DWF stepping down to 8-bit signal to get the full 165Hz, great to see that question answered and it's basically no difference except in math.
That's 8 bit + FRC, not DSC. If it had DSC it would run 10 bit all the way to 165 hz. The AW3423DW/F doesn't support DSC.
Most (if any) people probably can't tell the difference between true 10 bit and 8 bit + FRC but we are talking about 2 different things although from my understanding they're both used to save bandwidth.
This is so good! Have you by chance made a video in this format for HDMI 2.1? I remember some that discussed it a lot on HU, but one in this format would absolutely demistify that for beginners, too. Thank you!
Any word on Tandem OLED gaming monitors coming??
Honor Magic 6 Pro uses Tandem OLED.
LG Display is working on 17-inch foldable Tandem OLED panels.
What about monitors?
Thanks for confirming my thoughts that DSC really doesn't degrade visual quality in any perceptible sense. I like that movie compression example. Tbh I cannot tell any difference between a full Bluray and an encode at half the size, even with pausing and staring on my 83 in TV. Feeling more reassured with my new AW3225QF now.
He said researches saw degradation in image sometimes, so is not visually lossless.
@worldwanderingfisherman2166 It's very much like modern lossy audio compression. It throws out data that can either be reconstructed from the other data (usually at reduced accuracy) or an imperfect human organ isn't sensitive to (much like chroma subsampling which focuses on the most important aspect of an image in relation to the human eye: luminance).
Encodes aren't encoded on the fly while you watch them, but DSC is applied on the fly. It adds another level of potential issues.
@@worldwanderingfisherman2166 I have the PG32UCDM, I can tell the difference between 2k240+DSC and native 4k120, text is sharper without the DSC, it was bothering me since day 1 that I bought the monitor, but now with DSC disabled, text looks normal again. I could notice because I had an alienware AD3423DWF before that did not use DSC, as well as an asus oled laptop (H7604JI), and the text and colours looked better on both. I was always bothered by 4k video looking more like 1080p as well. without DSC 4k video actually looks crisp. Few people will notice, but i'm a photographer, so maybe that's why I can tell.
I am still in my return window for my Alienware 32 inch 4k oled…..I do plan on getting a 50 series on day one release(I live next to micro center)….might return it tbh
I had similar issues with the first DCI 4K 60Hz monitor I purchased since only the newest (at the time) DP1.2 cables could support the 60Hz refresh rate and all my existing cables were 1.0 which wouldn't. I had to force the monitor to not use DP 1.2 in the menu to use the DP 1.0 cables.
DP2.1 really is one of these things where you go: Yeah cool it's there I'll take it, but it'll not sell a device purely based on that. My monitor has been working pretty much flawlessly with DSC, but I also have an AMD GPU.
So if you use HDMI for the higher data rate, the compression will be less?
@monitorsunboxed , which monitor you prefer the Asus PG32UCDM or the Fo32u2P?
Will you guys be doing a 321UPX review touching on the subject of how non-upgradeble firmware affects a monitor of this class?
Is there some overhead from having to compress and decompress the signal? Could it introduce some amount of extra latency?
Badly waiting for the review of the Aorus. Here in Germany the Asus is 1800€ and the Aorus 1450€, so if there will be no big diffrences in features I will still go for the Aorus just becasue Asus is insane in the pricing deparment.
Is there any latency difference between DSC and without? If image quality is essentially the same then only difference left I could imagine might be a _slight_ latency advantage without compression... but then maybe there's an overhead in sending _more_ uncompressed data anyway 🙂
I honestly wonder what by now the technical limit for monitor's refreshrate would be?
Somehow it seems only the cable bandwidth limiting their maximum refreshrate? crazy.
Could DSC compression/decompression be adding a bit of latency?
Any chance of adding firmware update options when present/known during monitor reviews? When available, monitors offering choices of through direct connection to the internet (no PC requirement), from a USB memory stick (generic computer requirement to setup stick), across a connected USB cable (specific OS+software requirement), and across a video cable (specific OS+software+GPU requirements). It can also impact and how unreliable/annoying a firmware transfer may be to perform.
DisplayPort daisy-chaining will require twice the bandwidth. Daisy-chaining the DisplayPort signal is useful if using the first monitor as a KVM and you want to connect a laptop to multiple monitors using a single cable. Of course, still waiting on those laptops with DisplayPort 2.1. FYI, might want to test the KVM and daisy-chain capability in the full monitor review.
great work tim very well explained
ugh nice idea, except they come with the monitors own cables so its redundant, also it s very hard to tell any speed difference, maybe we will once the 5090's come
I heard from "The Display Guy" on RUclips that there's a bug with dsc that causes a black screen to appear for a while when alt tabbing on certain gpus.
Wanted to know if this is better with DP2.1 but it wasnt mentioned sadly.
well, I’m pretty sure RTX 5000 series will have display port 2.1 and because gigabyte is also making GPU’s they already know this and that’s why they are making display port 2.1 monitor with UHBR20 . I might be wrong, but I would bet for this. 🙂 Thanks for sharing this I’m curious if it is better than the PG32UCDM or mostly the same . I already got the PG32UCDM and love it . I don’t know if it’s like this, but maybe with uncompressed signal if you alt tab from a game there will be no flicker or black screen for a moment ? anyways, the main difference will be display port 2.1 on Aorus side and Dolby Vision Which should be implemented later this year on Asus side . Which is the better choice? What do you think? Thank You!
Just a Guess but me thinks there could be future update patch that gives slight edge over the other.
I just orded one and this video made me worried. Isn't this the best oled because it has 2.1? I had the alienware qf, am I gonna notice a difference?
Ended up picking up this one since everything else was out of stock and I wanted DP2.1
The main issues I've been having with it is whenever a full screen application or game launches, it's likely to go fully black, pop up the DP2.1 input on the OSD, then go back to the normal display...
Is this intended? Am I missing a setting? Is this a DP2.1 issue or an issue with how this monitor works?
Also I'm using the provided Dp to mini Dp cable with a 3080, wondering if I should swap to HDMI 2.1 if the bandwidth isn't even full spec anyways
From my experience, and from this video, it seems like all of the provided display cables with this gen's monitors are just worthless if you want to avoid issues like yours. You have to buy a premium cable.
Would be great if you could test and do a rundown of the top 5-10 cables that can do UHBR20
Yes. I have a Asus pg32ucdm. My monitor blackout frequently using HDR on helldivers 2 on DP and HDMI 2.1. not sure what the actual problem is, windows HDR, game HDR, monitor or whatever.
Finally, a proper 10 bit monitor. I notice that Blackmagic Design make DeckLink monitor cards up to 12 bit, with SDI/HDMI 2.0a, REC 2020, 4:4:4 colour space, up to 8K. Not sure if they will work with this monitor though, or if you could play games with them. Great for editing though.
I had to return the Asus PG27AQN 360hz because it was unstable with G-Sync on. The screen would go on and off every 1-2 seconds. I hope we don`t have bugs like this with DisplayPort 2.1 .
Nice video. Still, I would want 4k@240Hz without DSC. So I wait a little bit until it's widely available.
problems with cables quality occurs with every new release of DP/HDMI.
DP 2.1 HBR 20 make sens if you like to daisy chain two monitors, then you have 40Gbps per display