PLOT TWIST, I may switch back to Fuji GFX. But yes, in my opinion, all these cameras are great. I think it just comes down to what someone’s creative vision is and what camera best suits that. From color to ergonomics. I really don’t understand why people get so bent out of shape on all of this, it’s just a tool that allows us creatives to find happiness and make a living.
Ok, he’s a true King. Didn’t know that. He’s funny, has a shit eating grin on his face 24/7 and rages against people anonymously in the comment section, but if that’s your definition of a true King 🤴 then so be it.
@@SMGJohn hahaha lol He's the best. I think he's tired of panny becs he's first interchangeable lens camera was a panny camera (and also the fact that panny's slow improvement on af).
Depends what software you use. Adobe LR has terrible raw converters for the new Canon systems. That is an Adobe problem. If you use Capture One, or better yet, Canon raw software, you will get the best colours.
@@77dris I have heard that initially Adobe Lightroom did not handle R5 colors well, but didn't they then release camera specific profiles for the R5? Are you referring to these, or Adobe prior to this release?
This is dead on for me - 100% agree. When switched from the 5D MK II to the EOS R, I immediately noticed something was missing from the enjoyment I had using the former camera. I had gotten so many killer shots with the 5D MK II and it seemed like, even with that incredible RF glass, I just couldn't do it with the EOS R, even tho I was nailing focus a lot more. Then I upgraded to the R5 and the disconnect grew even stronger. I initially noticed that the color from the R5 was too magenta and the white balance was not as good as the R or 5D MK II. Potato Jet talked about the magenta leaning color in one of his early R5 reviews. But the autofocus and video were so amazing on the R5, and RF lenses are so damn sharp (you don't even need sharpening anymore in post), that I've just tolerated it. Vanessa Joy mentioned that the R3 has much better white balance than the R5, but I don't think that camera is for me.
You sound like you have a problem with the mirrorless designs, coming from the DSLR era. I also switched from DSLRs to mirrorless. My last DSLR cameras were 5DIV and 1DXmk2. I think your opinion is very subjective (no offence)because I actually enjoyed photography a lot more with the R5 and R3. I could care less about white balance nano-discrepancies since at the end of the day I’m still getting jobs done and give it a 2sec adjustment in post if needed. I edit on a calibrated Eizo monitor that costs as much as my entire RF system LOL so I know that what I’m seeing is what I’m getting from the camera. I don’t know if PotatoJet tested it on a high end monitor, maybe his monitor has a cast of its own, because on my 30k Eizo I actually had spot on white balance in 96% of the cases. I also have a grey card with me on most of my shoots just to make sure in case I ever see anything strange on my camera display. Since on my Eizo I get such a spot on WB, I think Canon also afforded the best monitors during the R&D phase when putting the R5 together. Consumer level monitors, even 10bit monitors around 1000$ have a color cast. It’s the reason why for my company invested in the best possible monitors, to make sure I know exactly what I’m delivering to my customers in terms of everything.
I love the R5. I rarely shoot video so my love is photo only. I shoot Raw so the magenta is not an issue. In fact I think it is better for Black Skin-tones. I am not a fan of Sony color. I also know as a Consumer Electronics company they come out with new gear too often and it kills the resale value if you want to upgrade. Just a preference. Glass wise can’t go wrong with EF-L or RF Glass.
I'm confused- you can absolutely edit raw files from the R5 to look however you want, with as much ease as other cameras...and the dynamic range of the R5 is top tier.
While I am not a fan of DPP4, I find it interesting that everyone who I've heard talk about the wonky colors on the R5 (and I was one of them early on) doesn't compare the Raw image displayed in DPP4 to what they're getting from Lightroom/Camera Raw or their raw editor of choice. I think that's because DPP4 knows how to interpret the raw data and everyone else has had to reverse engineer it without Canon's help. It was almost a year before Adobe introduced camera-specific profiles for the R5 and the Adobe profiles were awful. I wound up buying 3rd party profiles which were still better than the Adobe R5 specific profiles when they were introduced. No one wants to work harder to get what used to be easy, but if colors are your problem try starting with DPP4 and see if that "fixes" it for you. Not saying it will, but you might be surprised.
The lack of third-party lenses and Canon's recent move to block them is the deal breaker for me. The inferior dynamic range is a big issue too if you are used to Sony or Nikon. If you have not used a Sony or Nikon camera, you don't know what you are missing in terms of dynamic range, shadow and highlight recovery. While these downsides can be factually demonstrated and verified, the "wrong color" issue? Well, that is something you can work around, and I guess it is a bit of a personal taste thing?
I switched from Sony to Canon(A7Riii to R6), and as you(and Omar) said, there isn't quite as much dynamic range. What's interesting, to me at least, is that the loss is all on the highlight side. I can raise shadows just as well, and the R6 handles high iso really well, but if you blow your highlights, you are SCREWED! lol You just have to lean into it and pretend it was on purpose. As for the color, I agree that it depends on the personal taste and how someone processes the files. I've used a lot of different cameras, and Fuji was the only one that I really cared about the colors because they have those cool film simulations. I will say I'm happy with the move from Sony to Canon because the colors seems closer that what I want.
@@BrentODell Dynamic range is mostly under-exposure in all cameras. Some have a little more highlight recovery than others, but 3 stops over is absolute max in my experience.
Dude, the dynamic range of the R5 is basically the best of any digital camera... better than any Sony, and better than Nikon, even the z9. The only cams that give it a run are the z7 series (which might be SLIGHTLY better but they are very meh cams for most other things and also suffer from some banding in shadows). Anybody who says the R5 doesn't have amazing dynamic range hasn't used one, or doesn't know what they are doing (as in this video where the guy is trying to recover highlights which is a no no for digital cams as the dynanic range is in the shadows).
Image quality that requires much less fiddling with in post. The entire reason I switched from Canon to Nikon for mirrorless. The auto-focus will catch up. That said, I get just as many keepers of my hyper cat with the Nikon eye system as I did with the Canon. You're right though, the Canon bodies and the vast button customization options are what I'll miss.
Wow. I thought this was just me. I've been using Canons since the 10D including several pro bodies. I've even used several Olympus cameras and even a Nikon D810. I always liked the files out of Canon cameras and probably the best color profiles were out of the 5D, 40D and 5D II. But ever since I've been using the R5, it's been an absolute nightmare for me. I've never had to do so much work on RAW files to get the images just close to what I want. Sometimes I think some of these companies try to do so much with features and with video that they don't focus on improving the basic stuff for photographers. You're right about the dynamic range and about skin tones. Used to be, I could take a RAW file from a 40D or a 5D and maybe do a little contrast boost and a touch of sharpening and I'd be finished. Now, I'm all over the place with color channels, sliders, color wheels, etc and I just don't like having to work that much on each file. I also have to be very careful in bright or contrasty conditions to make sure I don't blow out my highlights. Even worse, there doesn't seem to be any consistency to it, so I can't come up with my edits and batch process the rest of the files either. It's very frustrating. Luckily, I haven't bought into any RF lenses yet, so I'm seriously considering moving over to Fuji or Nikon to start getting some better colors again. I hate to give up Canon's EF and great glass but I'm at my wit's end right now and am ready to jump ship.
I believe there is or are adaptors with AF that allow the use of Canon glass on Fuji cameras, if you go that route. I own a Fujifilm X-T4 and the colors are really good. I recently posted a couple of pictures on my Facebook page but didn't have the time to fiddle with the RAW files. I just took the JPEGS and played a little bit with contrast and exposure and... voilà! JPEGS are quite good straight out of the camera. BTW, I also recently picked up a Sony A7C with a zoom for such a good price that I just had to get it. I am planning to compare the 2 when I have the chance, just for fun. The perfect camera doesn't exist... yet! LOL. But the perfect camera for you is the one that gives you the most satisfaction with the results. For me, the X-T4 is it! My suggestion is to keep the R5 and just add a X-T4 (start with the inexpensive Fujinon 35 mm f2, a favorite among Fuji shooters) or an other Fuji model and do your own comparisons. And decide later which route you want to go.
What software are you using? If it's Lightroom, then that's your issue. Adobe has crappy camera profiles for Canon's new cams. You need to use Canon or Capture One raw software. I get a kick out of people who use third party software then blame the camera for bad colours. In fact, most people who have shot Canon for a long time (like myself) prefer the R5 colours to anything that came before it.
Interesting but I am a bit surprised because I have always felt the R5 sensor is fantastic compared to previous Canons I have had. I have used pro Nikon’s Canon’s and also dabbled with Panasonic and Olympus over the years. My R5 seems much much better to me. I think the main issue with this disagreement is that I don’t shoot people ( photographically) but travel and wildlife mainly. For those genres it’s fantastic, and produces probably the best quality images I have seen myself. In any case surely the colour science is a bit irrelevant shooting RAW because it’s a flatter image needing colour changes anyway? Anyway I love the channel and you are a great presenter! Good luck with your new cameras!
And that is why i just shoot with the jpeg instead of the raw on my r6. I gave up on tweaking with the canon. But goodness potatos the flexibility on the jpegs are wonderful on the r6.
The R5's battery life largely runs down from running the top LED 24/7, even when off. The R6 lacks that screen and the battery lasts much longer. As for dynamic range: yes, blown highlights are an issue but shadow recovery is amazing. Multiple times, I've taken five shot brackets for exposure blending high-contrast scenes; but I only needed to bring up the shadows on the darkest exposure. We shoot different things, so obviously your deal-breakers aren't mine. For Sony, for example, I just don't like the way they feel in my hand. Maybe the newest models are better ergonomically; I haven't held those.
Yeah, skin, low light high ISO performance (edited this out for time), are in my domain. I know you do landscapes and it’s definitely better for that. Bird AF was alien 👽 amazing technology
Raw (CMOS) files have limitations in heavy graphic design. CMOS sensors also run into color seperation issues of the yellow channel, blues break up and reds still clip too easy. Still shooting CCD so our graphic artist don't complain. I don't get why we don't go back to CCD with today's ADC, SNR ai software and baked in NR in which makes raw files noiseless at the sensor (Pentax).
Have you seen Irene Rudnyk's channel? Wow, she makes the R5 with the 85mm combo SING!! I've never held an R5 but her videos make me want that camera. (aslo Jan Wegener's channel make bird photog. look easy) Just sayin'.
I just bought the R5, upgrading from a R6, and the colors are different between these two, maybe you’d like the colors of the R6, the sensor is the same as their latest DSLR flagship.
The Canon RP actually has the same vibes of the 5D MkII or at least very similar. I have both and I cannot see much difference in the out of camera results.
I noticed a similar thing, but a LONG time ago. Canon's original 1D has a magical quality to it, and I noticed that when I upgraded to the CMOS based 1D Mark IIn, the IQ just wasn't there for me. The same applies to my now old 60D, and I'm sure it'll also apply to the 7D II that I just purchased yesterday.
I was unhappy with the colors I was getting out of Adobe’s raw converter and Lr profiles until I used a custom profile generator tool. Eventually Adobe updated their profiles and got them a lot closer, but if color rendition is important to the user, they should consider making a custom profile.
@@ogonzilla Just to be clear, you made your comments about R5 color even after using the latest Adobe camera specific profiles for the R5? The camera specific profiles aren't doing the job for you in yielding the Canon colors that you love?
I think when it comes to the colour profile, you cannot select camera standard for R series. Instead you have to select Camera Standard V2. I find that Adobe Standard etc doesn't work, and using V1 will make skin tones kinda yellow/greenish.
I look back on my photos on OneDrive from several cameras: Canon 20D, 50D, 7D, 7DII, 5DIII, EOS R, Fuji XT10, Power Shot, and Fuji XT3 and I honestly can’t tell what camera I used to take the image. To me, all these modern sensors work great. If I had some extra cash on hand I would buy the Leica Q with the 28mm lens. Just for fun….
Interesting. The colours on my R6 are a bit weird compared to the 80D I used to use. Very warm, and with miles too much blue (for my taste). I can’t decide if it’s actually the camera, or Abobe’s CR3 algorithm.
I've never been much of a color snob, but I do generally like what I get by default out of my Nikon Z6. I use ART (a fork of RawTherapee) as my main raw editor, and I can use all the Adobe color profiles for the Z6 by copying them from the free Adobe DNG converter's program data. They seem to match up quite well with the camera JPEGs. It's nice to know that I can start with something very close to the profiles that came with the camera by using these, because some raw converters don't have the greatest camera profiles. I also have access to a slew of film simulations to change the "film stock" if I want a different look. Playing with all these color options has opened my eyes to how different they all are and how the "best" look is definitely not always the most true-to-life. It makes sense to me that if you can't easily get files out of the R5 that look good to you, it's probably not worth the effort.
Have you tried the Cobalt Image profiles that do a great job of matching colors for all cameras to the color pallet checker. There able to produce a Process where Nikon, Sony, an Canon can all align to the standard color checker. Thanks for the video.
It seems that new high frame rate cameras like R5, A1, and Z9 don't produce the highest quality raws. I believe its the price they pay for ultrafast sensor readout
R3 is a more accurate representation - stacked sensors can suffer from a higher noise floor and some weird color shifts (especially Fuji X-H2S suffers from a greenish shift), R5 is just a weird solution. I personally like its' colors but the ban of 3rd party lenses is a deal-breaker for me. I'd go with R5C for my hybrid purposes but now I'm stuck between Sony A7IV and A7S3 as Nikon Z9 is out of my league and I don't want to rely on Fuji autofocus and weird exposure blinks when I need it for shooting videos.
Shot ALOT of weddings on 5dII and III Every once in a while I had a groom that skin colors didn't work and was very difficult to fix. The mark III had worse colors than the II. And I had mine calibrated also... With Nikon d610 and d810 I have no problems with skin colors. Dxomark really shows the difference in color sensitivity with these sensors.
@@ogonzilla you can push the shadows of a D610 5 stops. 5d II 1.5 stops maybe. Plus so much less colors. It's just inferior to even old Nikon's... The old EF L lenses have great character though... You can mount them to any modern Fuji or Nikon with an adapter and have the most epic quality.
I guess most of the cameras are better in recovering shadows, than highlights. With my X-T4 I always set exposure for brightens parts and then pulling shadows up to 4 stops, while image can still look respectable (on the lowest possible ISO, of course)
The dynamic range comparison was botched badly here. I mean, with digital you shouldn't be pulling down highlights like that (though the R5 is still heaps better than most). You should be pulling up the shadows and that's where the R5 beats all Sony, Fuji and Nikon cameras with maybe the exception of the z7 series where they are neck and neck (the R5 beats the z9 though). Also, if you are using Adobe for editing Raw files, colour issues are with Adobe, not a Canon problem. The colours coming out of the Canon software is amazing!
Sensor Dust Protection... First thing I turn OFF on my Sony as it is too risky to damage something important... And slows down the process when turning the camera on. You're aware, dust still gets inside your body, and will hit the sensor eventually anyway?... Much easier, simply to have the body face down during lens-change, no extra protection needed...
I hear you but from someone that lives in Canon world and have owned the 40D, 80D, 90D, 6DII, R and now the R5, it's the best allrounder in the Canon family. It's balanced enough it does sports/wildlife, street, portrait, astro and landscape well which is what I was looking for. When doing sports/wildlife I turn off the LED and just use the view finder. Agree, it is a bit of a battery hog. Regardless, I love it and plan to use it for years.
@@ogonzilla The 6DII had a hoarded auto focus system. Didn't work well for birds. Agree though, the images were beautiful. Wish I hadn't sold that one.
My experience with the Eos R was that underexposed pictures could easily be resstored in lightroom, while overexposure pictures were unsavable after only one stop missed. How does the R5 handle underexposure?
R5 is probably the best camera for dynamic range... and most of that comes from bringing up shadows as you should with digital cameras. Testing highlights is a very weak dynamic range test for digital cameras... very flawed.
@@77dris Do you mean that the R5 is the best _Canon_ camera for DR? Because it certainly isn't the best camera overall. And, full disclosure, I am an R5 shooter.
Totally agree. I have a Canon RP which I absolutely love, and the colors for most things are great, except for skin tones. Way too much magenta, even when adjusting the white balance tones in camera. My old 550D had perfect skin tones but I don't think it's a mirrorless vs. DSLR thing, because the sensor on the RP is the same as on the 6D MkII. Switching from sRGB to AdobeRGB and using a color card does help, and if you spend some time on the RAW files you eventually get the tones right, but it's pretty labor intensive compared to just pushing the shutter button on AWB and getting it right straight out of camera.
Come on Omar... You really never wanted to buy the R5, and if you are so happy with the Nikon, why you should do that. What is weird from your Nikon experience, is not mentioning the WB. The issues with the Nikon, is not colours, is the white balance. I had the Z6 and later the Z7, and always strugle to get the correct WB. For me was even worse than getting the right colours. Also the ergonomics are not that great.
Dynamic range is great in the R5. There is only this misconception lingering that highlights can be recovered. They can't. If a sensor hits 100 % brightness, it's overexposed. No useful data there. It's the same with all Sonys and Fujis I know, just recently compared the A7 IV to the R5. They are pretty much equal.
R5 beats all mirrorless cams for dynamic range, even according to DXO which notoriously isn't great for Canon cameras. NEVER recover highlights on a digital camera.
I think the problem is the old sensors didn't have the dynamic range but that also gave them better colours. I feel like the more DR the more weird the colours get. Everything gets a little more HDR. I think its something they all need to work on as they keep increasing DR. Some of my fav photos are still with my original 5D with a CCD sensor.
I’m not sure more dynamic range equates to more HDR look. I have the GFX and pictures come out with no HDR feeling to them at all. But when I drag the highlights or shadows the amount of recovery is crazy. And Nikons had really good DR since forever, but never lacked in colour rendition
I still own (10 years) and use ONLY the 5D3 lol had Fuji for a bit but that got boring... I don't care much for mirrorless. I think I will upgrade to a 5DSR :D
Dude your are the first youtuber to talk about this I've been shooting Canons since the original 5d till the R6...... For me the first Canon I got that had a "color" problem was the 5div but it wasnt that bad then the R which was worse and now the R6 which is a little bit better than the R but nowhere near the 5d, 5dii, 5diii sensors. Im now switching to either Sony or Nikon
For me, Nikon or Fuji seems the only way now. Maybe Sony to some extent but i had bad experience with Sony a6000 in the past and is overall pricier tha Fuji and Nikon.
Hey Omar, Jose from Puerto Rico. I just saw J. Christina mentioning on his channel that the R5 will receive a major firmware upgrade. I don't know if that would help you, but just wanted to let you know. The only Canons I owned were 2 film cameras (T-90 and a F-1) and then a 7D DSLR. I currently shoot with a OM-1 Systems (previously Olympus).
With the bird videos I’ve seen out of someone’s R5 with some incredible af I’ve been wishing I had the money for one for a while. Interesting to hear about the weakish dynamic range.
Nice topic! Love your videos, Omar. If you say there is a color difference I believe it because you have a ton of experience with portraits (based on what I've seen in your videos). Would have been nice to see a few side by side comparisons so we can have a better idea of what the color differences are.
I'm with you on the battery life. Not only is it not great on my R5 it will drain quickly with the camera off just sitting idle. I have to remove the battery from the camera once I am done shooting if I expect any battery left at all next time I shoot. I love just about everything else on the R5 including the amazing 4k/120 fps. Pair that with the RF 100-400 for some amazing wildlife video footage. The IBIS is great after the latest firmware update. Cheers.
I get it. The battery life thing is a pain. But of all the cameras I've had the 5 seconds it takes to change a battery is WAY shorter than the amount of time I'd spend fiddling with setting focus on a Panasonics or scrubbing through footage (without a touch bar scrubber thing) on the Sonys. Eventually I just had to pick camera and make an honest woman out of her instead of dating around forever (too expensive.) Hope you find what you are looking for, Omar. (micro Hdmi ports should be illegal!)
Been shooting with an EOS R for the past few months, and shot Fuji prior to that. Maybe it’s down to processing? I know my files skew orange, but I work exclusively in capture one, using their linear response profile (as close to no pre-applied curve as is available), and am finding the files much more flexible than my fuji files. I’m know the dynamic range is better on Sony and Nikon, but for what I shoot (portraits and headshots), it’s doing what I need it to. Lots of room to play and fine tune. I may make another jump to Sony or the GFX system if I can justify the cost, but by and large am happy with what I’m seeing here.
Re: NIkon ISO, you don't need to hold down a button to adjust ISO, there are a handful of other options. But fair enough, I'd welcome a third / dedicated dial too.
Could you offer a couple of examples? I shoot Nikon and would love to know of a different method to change ISO without pressing a button and rotating a dial. Thanks.
I thoght you're going to mention the fact that Canon basically killed third party lenses for this mount as the deal breaker, but when the colors are off, battery life is meh and micro HDMI... It's seams like this camera is a wrong turn for Canon in all aspects...
OK, so I looked...yeah, that's from a blogger on a photo rumors website basing that on what was said about Vitrox and that Tamron only announced new Nikon glass. When I see a statement from Tamron HQ then I'll believe it. It doesn't affect me either way, I have the Canon glass I need for my R & R5.
@@meechcreativellc I’m glad you’ve got the gear you need. I’ve been toying with the idea of selling my Fuji X-mount gear (several bodies and a dozen lenses) and switching to full frame. I would love switch to Canon RF but I think these rumors are enough for me to go in a different direction. The A7iv is pretty tempting, especially with some of the great 3rd party lenses that are available, like the Tamron 35-150/f2-2.8.
agree with you, colours and tones aren't as good on R5. I have a R6 and 5dii and matching is manageable, although it takes work and sometimes also adding film grain overlays!
Great video like always. Although I am not a Canon shooter (anymore since I gave it up in 1985 with my AE-1 😉), it’s very interesting to hear what you think about the colours of the R5. I often think about trying out Canon because of the AF, lens selection, haptics, etc. But finally I remember that the look of the pictures and especially the colours are the most important things to me, I am happy to stick with Nikon (F and Z) and Fuji. Thanks for reinforcing my opinion. 🙏
nice vid but, i have two some what disagree on the skin tones. sony and nikon have been trying for years to emulate canon colors. the other thing is. the nikon Z7 auto focus suxs. i mean really suxs!!!! i have never seen so many back focus or front focus pics in all of my life. sony, what can u say. they have been in this for years on mirrorless. canon. well, they have only been doing this for maybe 3 years now. what a great jump the R5 was. plus, as i have read. canon in japan finally out sold sony for the first time ever!!! i say. give them a couple of more years and watch out
Just a quick snip about some of the points, the EVF runs the battery quicker and the dynamic range runs into the shadows more it's about balance between the two and not just recovery of the highs. While the res and new CP3 Files is what is the deal breaker and why the R and RP work more to what you like / use too though I'd say that any of these are not deal breakers and things to get around. Each to their own and an interesting and not to techy video about it and I like the idea of looking at sensors as film stocks, in theory at least
Film stock analogy is excellent. I shoot with an R5 and an XT4, and with the Fuji the colors are beautiful right out of the gate. With the R5, it's definitely not as nice right out of the camera in most instances. That's why I use the R5 mainly in my studio where I can control the light. That being said I'm seriously considering selling the R5 and going with an XH2 for many reasons including the color issues you talked about.
Having a Fuji and a Canon together is really messy.. soon the xt5 will come with the 40mp sensor, pretty sure you will love it, the H2 has a PSM wheel and will not fit your xt4 as well.
@@MT-eb2dx I tried out an XH2s and LOVED it. Absolutely. Only thing I didn't like was the PSAM dial but that's not a deal breaker for me. The layout is intuitive and really great. So probably an XH2 is going to be the way I go eventually. I found the XH2s to work very similar in performance and AF speed to my R5, which was a pleasant surprise.
@@PeteCocoPhoto the x-h2 will not have an autofocus that is that capable in terms of subject recognition keep that in mind. The fast staked sensor of the h2s enables the camera to be faster with AF. I would go with the stacked h2s sensor if action is something you enjoy and you want to substitute the r5
@@MT-eb2dx I’m hoping it will be close though. Otherwise the XH2s would be my other choice. It would be nice to have the 40mp for my studio work though.
Yes, Omar, I agree with you. Especially talking about the image coming from these new cameras... They are flat! It's like the companies forgot about that 3D look. The cameras are delivering these flat pictures and when we look at the images from the old CANONS, the NIKONS like D700, D850, D810... You look at the pictures and you see the perspective, that tridimensional sensation. The Z7 is horrible for that! The images are flat, just flat 2D! This new mirrorless CANONS are suffering the same problem. The colors are not the main problem to me, but this lack of depth, of perspective in the pictures. The cameras are technically better, with more dynamic range, with more functions and blablabla, but that full frame look, depth, 3D feeling is lost. I am not talking about bokeh, or out of focus areas in the background. No! I am talking about the overall 3D feeling we had with our old great cameras.
Try bringing your photos in with DxO's PhotoLab or CaptureOne. Very noticeable differences in skin tone straight off the camera. I've been using both more than LrC over the past 6 months.
Matching canon colors is rough. Josh Satin, Cam, Tyler S, and Carlos Q they've also they don't match they're take is mostly from video but it definitely applies here. That being said I love my R5 it works for me, but it aint perfect. I too don't like the on/off switch and flipping between photo and video takes way too long, and finally dynamic range in video, but that's it.
Huh? Color? Every film or digital camera I've used I have never expected to be pleased with what comes out directly from the camera. Either filtration with film or tweaking in processing worked for me and with every digital camera or back (Phase one , Canon) I expect to alter the color in post. I'm a commercial photographer and nearly 100% of the time use Capture One for image capture to Mac.
I tried the Canon RP. I liked most of it, but I hated how the EVF was tinted green. Couldn't shoot in black and white because everything was black and green. Couldn't stand it. Sold it. Too many options available, and I won't be trying Canon again for another 10 years.
Yeahman, like you said! Have a bundle of Canon L lenses. I tried the Nikon 6ii and was wowwed by it. But wasn’t getting dependable IS from 3rd party lens adapters. So i cheaped out, returned the z6ii and got an R6 as i didn’t want to have to replace all my long zooms and primes. But once you taste that Nikon dynamic range and light metering, its hard to go back. So now i am back, having bought a z50 to give me an intro to the system and pondering when to jump back in for my work camera.
Wow. So true. Color and dynamic range. Great video as usual 😍👍 I've been a fuji user from the X-T1 because of the dials and the film simulations. I recently tried R5 and R7 for birds photography. Canon 800mm F11 is incredible, sharp and light with great reach. The auto focus of these two cameras are unreal, so so good. But I keep coming back to my Fuji. I don't know why until you pointed it out. Yes, I'm tired of sliders. 🤔
The micro HDMI on my M50 lasted 3 days out of the box. All I did was hold the camera with a cable plugged in so I could get the fake colors and zebras in the mix and "CRACK!!!" that was the end of it. The weight of only ONE side of the camera pushing up against my palm was all it took. My next camera upgrade will NOT be a Canon!! And besides, the tendency for Canon to be anemic dynamic ranges and poor business ethics of sending their RF customers out to pasture to starve to death with their BAN on 3rd party lenses did me in with Canon. Kasey with Camera Conspiracy's ROCKS!!
This was a hilarious review dont agree what so ever I started with canon rebe, canon 40D, 5D MKII, MKIII, MKIV, now I own RP and R5 and they are amazing cameras same goes for the colors.
The issue with colours on the new Canons isn't about the sensor/hardware... it's about Adobe software. Most people complain about colours with cameras are using Adobe Lightroom or Photoshop. Blame Adobe. If you want the old sensor look, use Canon Raw software. Or use Capture One the way Cam Mackey did. I hear so much about people complaining about colours when shooting raw and blaming the camera yet it's 99% the fault of the software they are using and 99% of the time it's Adobe Camera Raw/Lightroom.
Ironically the camera will eat battery a lot faster using the camera like a DSLR. Using the LCD to shoot is way more energy efficient. Seems backwards huh? but it’s true …
wow. I love the colours from my R5 and R6. Before the colour matching profiles were out I did find some difficulty. Z6ii files are fab but I did not find it had better dynamic range. I've tried what Sony and Nikon has to offer and the R5 is my favourite next to the R6. different strokes.
No you DID NOT win anything and NO that’s not me in the comments telling you to contact me via Telegram. SCAMMER ALERT!!!
I just received one such contact, and that wasn't the first one by far. New there's something fishy from the beginning. Scammers on the rise...
You're just jealous because you didn't win anything.
PLOT TWIST, I may switch back to Fuji GFX. But yes, in my opinion, all these cameras are great. I think it just comes down to what someone’s creative vision is and what camera best suits that. From color to ergonomics. I really don’t understand why people get so bent out of shape on all of this, it’s just a tool that allows us creatives to find happiness and make a living.
Haha...Thanks for the "Film Stock" inspiration for this video, Cam. Love your work, man.
I’ll be looking forward to watching a “reasons why…” video in the future if you do switch. I love your work’s look and style.
@@anthonymoreno894 don’t think I’ll make one. Might keep the R5 for work
@@ogonzilla always been a fan of your channel brother. Goofy entertainment and photography passion haha
@@ogonzilla cams great!
The camera conspiracies references 🙏 homage to a true king
I just can't watch the cc guy I find him very unpleasant but Omar is great
Ok, he’s a true King. Didn’t know that. He’s funny, has a shit eating grin on his face 24/7 and rages against people anonymously in the comment section, but if that’s your definition of a true King 🤴 then so be it.
@@SMGJohn hahaha lol
He's the best.
I think he's tired of panny becs he's first interchangeable lens camera was a panny camera (and also the fact that panny's slow improvement on af).
@@mgman6000 agree with you . I watched him a couple times and all he talked about was AF .
I love camera conspiracies. Can’t stand vegetable police tho 😬
I don’t know what was wrong with your R5, but for me the color from R5 is just gorgeous. I own A1 too, both give such Rich colors
Different people like different things.
And older people have different perspective
Depends what software you use. Adobe LR has terrible raw converters for the new Canon systems. That is an Adobe problem. If you use Capture One, or better yet, Canon raw software, you will get the best colours.
@@77dris I have heard that initially Adobe Lightroom did not handle R5 colors well, but didn't they then release camera specific profiles for the R5? Are you referring to these, or Adobe prior to this release?
@@77dris to think, he bailed on the R5 too soon. If he would of just used Capture one. That sucks.
"Camera Conspiracies" cuts made me laugh more than they really should have.
This is dead on for me - 100% agree. When switched from the 5D MK II to the EOS R, I immediately noticed something was missing from the enjoyment I had using the former camera. I had gotten so many killer shots with the 5D MK II and it seemed like, even with that incredible RF glass, I just couldn't do it with the EOS R, even tho I was nailing focus a lot more. Then I upgraded to the R5 and the disconnect grew even stronger. I initially noticed that the color from the R5 was too magenta and the white balance was not as good as the R or 5D MK II. Potato Jet talked about the magenta leaning color in one of his early R5 reviews. But the autofocus and video were so amazing on the R5, and RF lenses are so damn sharp (you don't even need sharpening anymore in post), that I've just tolerated it. Vanessa Joy mentioned that the R3 has much better white balance than the R5, but I don't think that camera is for me.
Mmm... shoot raw maybe?
You sound like you have a problem with the mirrorless designs, coming from the DSLR era. I also switched from DSLRs to mirrorless. My last DSLR cameras were 5DIV and 1DXmk2. I think your opinion is very subjective (no offence)because I actually enjoyed photography a lot more with the R5 and R3. I could care less about white balance nano-discrepancies since at the end of the day I’m still getting jobs done and give it a 2sec adjustment in post if needed. I edit on a calibrated Eizo monitor that costs as much as my entire RF system LOL so I know that what I’m seeing is what I’m getting from the camera. I don’t know if PotatoJet tested it on a high end monitor, maybe his monitor has a cast of its own, because on my 30k Eizo I actually had spot on white balance in 96% of the cases. I also have a grey card with me on most of my shoots just to make sure in case I ever see anything strange on my camera display. Since on my Eizo I get such a spot on WB, I think Canon also afforded the best monitors during the R&D phase when putting the R5 together. Consumer level monitors, even 10bit monitors around 1000$ have a color cast. It’s the reason why for my company invested in the best possible monitors, to make sure I know exactly what I’m delivering to my customers in terms of everything.
I love the R5. I rarely shoot video so my love is photo only. I shoot Raw so the magenta is not an issue. In fact I think it is better for Black Skin-tones. I am not a fan of Sony color. I also know as a Consumer Electronics company they come out with new gear too often and it kills the resale value if you want to upgrade. Just a preference. Glass wise can’t go wrong with EF-L or RF Glass.
I'm confused- you can absolutely edit raw files from the R5 to look however you want, with as much ease as other cameras...and the dynamic range of the R5 is top tier.
lmao that intro "Camera Conspiracies" 😁
Cam is a true artist . His work is great and so is his channel . Glad to see you mention him .
He got one good channel and one right wing maga anti-vax channel. Gross.
I usually prefer native glass but Canon apparently blocking 3rd party lenses is enough of me to avoid anything RF.
While I am not a fan of DPP4, I find it interesting that everyone who I've heard talk about the wonky colors on the R5 (and I was one of them early on) doesn't compare the Raw image displayed in DPP4 to what they're getting from Lightroom/Camera Raw or their raw editor of choice. I think that's because DPP4 knows how to interpret the raw data and everyone else has had to reverse engineer it without Canon's help. It was almost a year before Adobe introduced camera-specific profiles for the R5 and the Adobe profiles were awful. I wound up buying 3rd party profiles which were still better than the Adobe R5 specific profiles when they were introduced. No one wants to work harder to get what used to be easy, but if colors are your problem try starting with DPP4 and see if that "fixes" it for you. Not saying it will, but you might be surprised.
The lack of third-party lenses and Canon's recent move to block them is the deal breaker for me. The inferior dynamic range is a big issue too if you are used to Sony or Nikon. If you have not used a Sony or Nikon camera, you don't know what you are missing in terms of dynamic range, shadow and highlight recovery. While these downsides can be factually demonstrated and verified, the "wrong color" issue? Well, that is something you can work around, and I guess it is a bit of a personal taste thing?
I switched from Sony to Canon(A7Riii to R6), and as you(and Omar) said, there isn't quite as much dynamic range. What's interesting, to me at least, is that the loss is all on the highlight side. I can raise shadows just as well, and the R6 handles high iso really well, but if you blow your highlights, you are SCREWED! lol You just have to lean into it and pretend it was on purpose.
As for the color, I agree that it depends on the personal taste and how someone processes the files. I've used a lot of different cameras, and Fuji was the only one that I really cared about the colors because they have those cool film simulations. I will say I'm happy with the move from Sony to Canon because the colors seems closer that what I want.
@@BrentODell Dynamic range is mostly under-exposure in all cameras. Some have a little more highlight recovery than others, but 3 stops over is absolute max in my experience.
Dude, the dynamic range of the R5 is basically the best of any digital camera... better than any Sony, and better than Nikon, even the z9. The only cams that give it a run are the z7 series (which might be SLIGHTLY better but they are very meh cams for most other things and also suffer from some banding in shadows).
Anybody who says the R5 doesn't have amazing dynamic range hasn't used one, or doesn't know what they are doing (as in this video where the guy is trying to recover highlights which is a no no for digital cams as the dynanic range is in the shadows).
Subscribed! This was my first experience with Omar, I gotta say that I like this guy.
I recently found your channel. Love your humor and your down to earth vibe! Gonna check some more of your videos!
Image quality that requires much less fiddling with in post. The entire reason I switched from Canon to Nikon for mirrorless. The auto-focus will catch up. That said, I get just as many keepers of my hyper cat with the Nikon eye system as I did with the Canon. You're right though, the Canon bodies and the vast button customization options are what I'll miss.
For me the dealbreaker is the price.
Should’ve said that. You’re right.
Wow. I thought this was just me. I've been using Canons since the 10D including several pro bodies. I've even used several Olympus cameras and even a Nikon D810. I always liked the files out of Canon cameras and probably the best color profiles were out of the 5D, 40D and 5D II. But ever since I've been using the R5, it's been an absolute nightmare for me. I've never had to do so much work on RAW files to get the images just close to what I want. Sometimes I think some of these companies try to do so much with features and with video that they don't focus on improving the basic stuff for photographers. You're right about the dynamic range and about skin tones. Used to be, I could take a RAW file from a 40D or a 5D and maybe do a little contrast boost and a touch of sharpening and I'd be finished. Now, I'm all over the place with color channels, sliders, color wheels, etc and I just don't like having to work that much on each file. I also have to be very careful in bright or contrasty conditions to make sure I don't blow out my highlights. Even worse, there doesn't seem to be any consistency to it, so I can't come up with my edits and batch process the rest of the files either. It's very frustrating.
Luckily, I haven't bought into any RF lenses yet, so I'm seriously considering moving over to Fuji or Nikon to start getting some better colors again. I hate to give up Canon's EF and great glass but I'm at my wit's end right now and am ready to jump ship.
You verbalized exactly what I experienced with these files compared to the old. Few sliders vs a full on work day! Lol
EF lenses can be adapted to Nikon Z and Sony E with full functional autofocus (for photography, not for video) with the right adapter.
5d classic renders the tastiest raw file ever for me. The more i shoot it the more i wanna carry it around and shoot it for more.
I believe there is or are adaptors with AF that allow the use of Canon glass on Fuji cameras, if you go that route. I own a Fujifilm X-T4 and the colors are really good. I recently posted a couple of pictures on my Facebook page but didn't have the time to fiddle with the RAW files. I just took the JPEGS and played a little bit with contrast and exposure and... voilà! JPEGS are quite good straight out of the camera.
BTW, I also recently picked up a Sony A7C with a zoom for such a good price that I just had to get it. I am planning to compare the 2 when I have the chance, just for fun.
The perfect camera doesn't exist... yet! LOL. But the perfect camera for you is the one that gives you the most satisfaction with the results. For me, the X-T4 is it!
My suggestion is to keep the R5 and just add a X-T4 (start with the inexpensive Fujinon 35 mm f2, a favorite among Fuji shooters) or an other Fuji model and do your own comparisons. And decide later which route you want to go.
What software are you using? If it's Lightroom, then that's your issue. Adobe has crappy camera profiles for Canon's new cams. You need to use Canon or Capture One raw software.
I get a kick out of people who use third party software then blame the camera for bad colours. In fact, most people who have shot Canon for a long time (like myself) prefer the R5 colours to anything that came before it.
"that's not my intro" - haha!
Interesting but I am a bit surprised because I have always felt the R5 sensor is fantastic compared to previous Canons I have had. I have used pro Nikon’s Canon’s and also dabbled with Panasonic and Olympus over the years. My R5 seems much much better to me. I think the main issue with this disagreement is that I don’t shoot people ( photographically) but travel and wildlife mainly. For those genres it’s fantastic, and produces probably the best quality images I have seen myself. In any case surely the colour science is a bit irrelevant shooting RAW because it’s a flatter image needing colour changes anyway? Anyway I love the channel and you are a great presenter! Good luck with your new cameras!
Thanks. Appreciate it. I agree. Had no issues shooting cityscapes, nature. Skin is so nuanced.
And that is why i just shoot with the jpeg instead of the raw on my r6. I gave up on tweaking with the canon. But goodness potatos the flexibility on the jpegs are wonderful on the r6.
If you don't want to hold down buttons on the Nikon, there's a Hold option in the Function menu (introduced in the early 2000s)
The R5's battery life largely runs down from running the top LED 24/7, even when off. The R6 lacks that screen and the battery lasts much longer.
As for dynamic range: yes, blown highlights are an issue but shadow recovery is amazing. Multiple times, I've taken five shot brackets for exposure blending high-contrast scenes; but I only needed to bring up the shadows on the darkest exposure.
We shoot different things, so obviously your deal-breakers aren't mine. For Sony, for example, I just don't like the way they feel in my hand. Maybe the newest models are better ergonomically; I haven't held those.
Yeah, skin, low light high ISO performance (edited this out for time), are in my domain. I know you do landscapes and it’s definitely better for that. Bird AF was alien 👽 amazing technology
NEVER try to recover highlights on a digital camera. That's basically digital photography 101.
Raw (CMOS) files have limitations in heavy graphic design. CMOS sensors also run into color seperation issues of the yellow channel, blues break up and reds still clip too easy. Still shooting CCD so our graphic artist don't complain.
I don't get why we don't go back to CCD with today's ADC, SNR ai software and baked in NR in which makes raw files noiseless at the sensor (Pentax).
Have you seen Irene Rudnyk's channel? Wow, she makes the R5 with the 85mm combo SING!! I've never held an R5 but her videos make me want that camera. (aslo Jan Wegener's channel make bird photog. look easy) Just sayin'.
I just bought the R5, upgrading from a R6, and the colors are different between these two, maybe you’d like the colors of the R6, the sensor is the same as their latest DSLR flagship.
The Canon RP actually has the same vibes of the 5D MkII or at least very similar. I have both and I cannot see much difference in the out of camera results.
I noticed a similar thing, but a LONG time ago. Canon's original 1D has a magical quality to it, and I noticed that when I upgraded to the CMOS based 1D Mark IIn, the IQ just wasn't there for me. The same applies to my now old 60D, and I'm sure it'll also apply to the 7D II that I just purchased yesterday.
I was unhappy with the colors I was getting out of Adobe’s raw converter and Lr profiles until I used a custom profile generator tool. Eventually Adobe updated their profiles and got them a lot closer, but if color rendition is important to the user, they should consider making a custom profile.
Yup. Did that too. Thanks
@@ogonzilla Just to be clear, you made your comments about R5 color even after using the latest Adobe camera specific profiles for the R5? The camera specific profiles aren't doing the job for you in yielding the Canon colors that you love?
@@neild108 Yes, I used the up-to-date profiles. But I also used Capture One and Canon's own software.
I think when it comes to the colour profile, you cannot select camera standard for R series.
Instead you have to select Camera Standard V2. I find that Adobe Standard etc doesn't work, and using V1 will make skin tones kinda yellow/greenish.
I’m amazed how bad the Adobe Canon camera profiles were. Magenta city.
I look back on my photos on OneDrive from several cameras: Canon 20D, 50D, 7D, 7DII, 5DIII, EOS R, Fuji XT10, Power Shot, and Fuji XT3 and I honestly can’t tell what camera I used to take the image. To me, all these modern sensors work great. If I had some extra cash on hand I would buy the Leica Q with the 28mm lens. Just for fun….
Interesting. The colours on my R6 are a bit weird compared to the 80D I used to use. Very warm, and with miles too much blue (for my taste). I can’t decide if it’s actually the camera, or Abobe’s CR3 algorithm.
I enjoyed your video. Very unique and different. Thanks for sharing!
I've never been much of a color snob, but I do generally like what I get by default out of my Nikon Z6. I use ART (a fork of RawTherapee) as my main raw editor, and I can use all the Adobe color profiles for the Z6 by copying them from the free Adobe DNG converter's program data. They seem to match up quite well with the camera JPEGs. It's nice to know that I can start with something very close to the profiles that came with the camera by using these, because some raw converters don't have the greatest camera profiles. I also have access to a slew of film simulations to change the "film stock" if I want a different look. Playing with all these color options has opened my eyes to how different they all are and how the "best" look is definitely not always the most true-to-life. It makes sense to me that if you can't easily get files out of the R5 that look good to you, it's probably not worth the effort.
I spit out my coffee with that opening Omar lol
R5 is an incredible camera. Canon’s current business model is not so fantastic. The lack of lens options is worrying me!
Have you tried the Cobalt Image profiles that do a great job of matching colors for all cameras to the color pallet checker. There able to produce a Process where Nikon, Sony, an Canon can all align to the standard color checker. Thanks for the video.
It seems that new high frame rate cameras like R5, A1, and Z9 don't produce the highest quality raws. I believe its the price they pay for ultrafast sensor readout
R3 is a more accurate representation - stacked sensors can suffer from a higher noise floor and some weird color shifts (especially Fuji X-H2S suffers from a greenish shift), R5 is just a weird solution. I personally like its' colors but the ban of 3rd party lenses is a deal-breaker for me. I'd go with R5C for my hybrid purposes but now I'm stuck between Sony A7IV and A7S3 as Nikon Z9 is out of my league and I don't want to rely on Fuji autofocus and weird exposure blinks when I need it for shooting videos.
All I want is a video about your thought on the Fuji X Summit and Fuji XH2 :D
Shot ALOT of weddings on 5dII and III
Every once in a while I had a groom that skin colors didn't work and was very difficult to fix.
The mark III had worse colors than the II.
And I had mine calibrated also...
With Nikon d610 and d810 I have no problems with skin colors.
Dxomark really shows the difference in color sensitivity with these sensors.
Mark II reissued as a mirrorless would have fans.
@@ogonzilla you can push the shadows of a D610 5 stops. 5d II 1.5 stops maybe. Plus so much less colors. It's just inferior to even old Nikon's... The old EF L lenses have great character though... You can mount them to any modern Fuji or Nikon with an adapter and have the most epic quality.
I never had a issue with battery on Canon R5. I do events and it involves both photo and video.
I guess most of the cameras are better in recovering shadows, than highlights. With my X-T4 I always set exposure for brightens parts and then pulling shadows up to 4 stops, while image can still look respectable (on the lowest possible ISO, of course)
Same. I barely edit my Nikon files. They look almost perfect, and with a couple of global adjustments I'm done.
The dynamic range comparison was botched badly here. I mean, with digital you shouldn't be pulling down highlights like that (though the R5 is still heaps better than most). You should be pulling up the shadows and that's where the R5 beats all Sony, Fuji and Nikon cameras with maybe the exception of the z7 series where they are neck and neck (the R5 beats the z9 though).
Also, if you are using Adobe for editing Raw files, colour issues are with Adobe, not a Canon problem. The colours coming out of the Canon software is amazing!
Sensor Dust Protection... First thing I turn OFF on my Sony as it is too risky to damage something important... And slows down the process when turning the camera on. You're aware, dust still gets inside your body, and will hit the sensor eventually anyway?... Much easier, simply to have the body face down during lens-change, no extra protection needed...
I hear you but from someone that lives in Canon world and have owned the 40D, 80D, 90D, 6DII, R and now the R5, it's the best allrounder in the Canon family. It's balanced enough it does sports/wildlife, street, portrait, astro and landscape well which is what I was looking for. When doing sports/wildlife I turn off the LED and just use the view finder. Agree, it is a bit of a battery hog. Regardless, I love it and plan to use it for years.
I’d take the 6DII (RP) sensor over it though. Had the 40D. Loved that camera. 😁👍🏼
@@ogonzilla The 6DII had a hoarded auto focus system. Didn't work well for birds. Agree though, the images were beautiful. Wish I hadn't sold that one.
@@jimtipton8888 That dang bird photography! So tough.
@@ogonzilla 😃But addicting!
My experience with the Eos R was that underexposed pictures could easily be resstored in lightroom, while overexposure pictures were unsavable after only one stop missed. How does the R5 handle underexposure?
Digital cameras are generally that way, so it's generally better to underexpose slightly and push the shadows.
R5 is probably the best camera for dynamic range... and most of that comes from bringing up shadows as you should with digital cameras. Testing highlights is a very weak dynamic range test for digital cameras... very flawed.
@@77dris Do you mean that the R5 is the best _Canon_ camera for DR? Because it certainly isn't the best camera overall. And, full disclosure, I am an R5 shooter.
Totally agree. I have a Canon RP which I absolutely love, and the colors for most things are great, except for skin tones. Way too much magenta, even when adjusting the white balance tones in camera. My old 550D had perfect skin tones but I don't think it's a mirrorless vs. DSLR thing, because the sensor on the RP is the same as on the 6D MkII. Switching from sRGB to AdobeRGB and using a color card does help, and if you spend some time on the RAW files you eventually get the tones right, but it's pretty labor intensive compared to just pushing the shutter button on AWB and getting it right straight out of camera.
You just made my day. Was debating picking this up and now I won't.
Come on Omar... You really never wanted to buy the R5, and if you are so happy with the Nikon, why you should do that. What is weird from your Nikon experience, is not mentioning the WB. The issues with the Nikon, is not colours, is the white balance. I had the Z6 and later the Z7, and always strugle to get the correct WB. For me was even worse than getting the right colours. Also the ergonomics are not that great.
The $4,000 price tag is my deal breaker....just sayin...😃
Dynamic range is great in the R5. There is only this misconception lingering that highlights can be recovered. They can't. If a sensor hits 100 % brightness, it's overexposed. No useful data there. It's the same with all Sonys and Fujis I know, just recently compared the A7 IV to the R5. They are pretty much equal.
R5 beats all mirrorless cams for dynamic range, even according to DXO which notoriously isn't great for Canon cameras. NEVER recover highlights on a digital camera.
Best intro
Always love watching your videos Omar. I know what you mean when you say older dslr film stock/ look. - Hence my love for the Nikon D3X.
I think the problem is the old sensors didn't have the dynamic range but that also gave them better colours. I feel like the more DR the more weird the colours get. Everything gets a little more HDR. I think its something they all need to work on as they keep increasing DR. Some of my fav photos are still with my original 5D with a CCD sensor.
Ikr... i also think the old canon seems to have better colours than my recent canon .. and i nvr liked sony's camera colour till now no wonder
I’m not sure more dynamic range equates to more HDR look. I have the GFX and pictures come out with no HDR feeling to them at all. But when I drag the highlights or shadows the amount of recovery is crazy.
And Nikons had really good DR since forever, but never lacked in colour rendition
I still own (10 years) and use ONLY the 5D3 lol had Fuji for a bit but that got boring... I don't care much for mirrorless. I think I will upgrade to a 5DSR :D
Good plan!
Dude your are the first youtuber to talk about this I've been shooting Canons since the original 5d till the R6......
For me the first Canon I got that had a "color" problem was the 5div but it wasnt that bad then the R which was worse and now the R6 which is a little bit better than the R but nowhere near the 5d, 5dii, 5diii sensors. Im now switching to either Sony or Nikon
For me, Nikon or Fuji seems the only way now. Maybe Sony to some extent but i had bad experience with Sony a6000 in the past and is overall pricier tha Fuji and Nikon.
Hey Omar, Jose from Puerto Rico. I just saw J. Christina mentioning on his channel that the R5 will receive a major firmware upgrade. I don't know if that would help you, but just wanted to let you know. The only Canons I owned were 2 film cameras (T-90 and a F-1) and then a 7D DSLR. I currently shoot with a OM-1 Systems (previously Olympus).
I clicked on your video while checking my phone. I was surprised when I heard Kasey's intro. 🤣
With the bird videos I’ve seen out of someone’s R5 with some incredible af I’ve been wishing I had the money for one for a while. Interesting to hear about the weakish dynamic range.
Oh and I love ur stuff man, funny, smart and I learn things
Thanks for watching
Nice topic! Love your videos, Omar. If you say there is a color difference I believe it because you have a ton of experience with portraits (based on what I've seen in your videos). Would have been nice to see a few side by side comparisons so we can have a better idea of what the color differences are.
I'm with you on the battery life. Not only is it not great on my R5 it will drain quickly with the camera off just sitting idle. I have to remove the battery from the camera once I am done shooting if I expect any battery left at all next time I shoot. I love just about everything else on the R5 including the amazing 4k/120 fps. Pair that with the RF 100-400 for some amazing wildlife video footage. The IBIS is great after the latest firmware update. Cheers.
I get it. The battery life thing is a pain. But of all the cameras I've had the 5 seconds it takes to change a battery is WAY shorter than the amount of time I'd spend fiddling with setting focus on a Panasonics or scrubbing through footage (without a touch bar scrubber thing) on the Sonys. Eventually I just had to pick camera and make an honest woman out of her instead of dating around forever (too expensive.) Hope you find what you are looking for, Omar.
(micro Hdmi ports should be illegal!)
Been shooting with an EOS R for the past few months, and shot Fuji prior to that.
Maybe it’s down to processing? I know my files skew orange, but I work exclusively in capture one, using their linear response profile (as close to no pre-applied curve as is available), and am finding the files much more flexible than my fuji files. I’m know the dynamic range is better on Sony and Nikon, but for what I shoot (portraits and headshots), it’s doing what I need it to. Lots of room to play and fine tune. I may make another jump to Sony or the GFX system if I can justify the cost, but by and large am happy with what I’m seeing here.
Re: NIkon ISO, you don't need to hold down a button to adjust ISO, there are a handful of other options. But fair enough, I'd welcome a third / dedicated dial too.
Could you offer a couple of examples? I shoot Nikon and would love to know of a different method to change ISO without pressing a button and rotating a dial. Thanks.
Any chance you will review the Canon r7? Kind of an exciting option for light-weight, travel, wildlife, etc. Without breaking the bank.
maybe the dynamic range thing have to do something with the fact that this camera is iso variant? but idk
I thoght you're going to mention the fact that Canon basically killed third party lenses for this mount as the deal breaker, but when the colors are off, battery life is meh and micro HDMI... It's seams like this camera is a wrong turn for Canon in all aspects...
But they didn't. It was one company. They're infringed on a patent. Sigma and Tamron are expected to start releasing RF glass in 2023.
@@meechcreativellc Tamron recently announced they won’t be making RF-mount lenses
@@sandnessmj Intriguing...apparently missed that announcement! Thanks for the info, I'll look into it.
OK, so I looked...yeah, that's from a blogger on a photo rumors website basing that on what was said about Vitrox and that Tamron only announced new Nikon glass. When I see a statement from Tamron HQ then I'll believe it. It doesn't affect me either way, I have the Canon glass I need for my R & R5.
@@meechcreativellc I’m glad you’ve got the gear you need. I’ve been toying with the idea of selling my Fuji X-mount gear (several bodies and a dozen lenses) and switching to full frame. I would love switch to Canon RF but I think these rumors are enough for me to go in a different direction. The A7iv is pretty tempting, especially with some of the great 3rd party lenses that are available, like the Tamron 35-150/f2-2.8.
agree with you, colours and tones aren't as good on R5. I have a R6 and 5dii and matching is manageable, although it takes work and sometimes also adding film grain overlays!
Great video like always. Although I am not a Canon shooter (anymore since I gave it up in 1985 with my AE-1 😉), it’s very interesting to hear what you think about the colours of the R5. I often think about trying out Canon because of the AF, lens selection, haptics, etc. But finally I remember that the look of the pictures and especially the colours are the most important things to me, I am happy to stick with Nikon (F and Z) and Fuji. Thanks for reinforcing my opinion. 🙏
Good choice 👍🏼
The intro got me crying ahahaha
nice vid but, i have two some what disagree on the skin tones. sony and nikon have been trying for years to emulate canon colors. the other thing is. the nikon Z7 auto focus suxs. i mean really suxs!!!! i have never seen so many back focus or front focus pics in all of my life. sony, what can u say. they have been in this for years on mirrorless. canon. well, they have only been doing this for maybe 3 years now. what a great jump the R5 was. plus, as i have read. canon in japan finally out sold sony for the first time ever!!! i say. give them a couple of more years and watch out
It's an interesting thought. The same way Fuji has their emulations, the new Canon's could have 5Dm3 color emulation and other profiles.
Just a quick snip about some of the points, the EVF runs the battery quicker and the dynamic range runs into the shadows more it's about balance between the two and not just recovery of the highs. While the res and new CP3 Files is what is the deal breaker and why the R and RP work more to what you like / use too though I'd say that any of these are not deal breakers and things to get around. Each to their own and an interesting and not to techy video about it and I like the idea of looking at sensors as film stocks, in theory at least
Film stock analogy is excellent. I shoot with an R5 and an XT4, and with the Fuji the colors are beautiful right out of the gate. With the R5, it's definitely not as nice right out of the camera in most instances. That's why I use the R5 mainly in my studio where I can control the light. That being said I'm seriously considering selling the R5 and going with an XH2 for many reasons including the color issues you talked about.
Having a Fuji and a Canon together is really messy.. soon the xt5 will come with the 40mp sensor, pretty sure you will love it, the H2 has a PSM wheel and will not fit your xt4 as well.
@@MT-eb2dx I tried out an XH2s and LOVED it. Absolutely. Only thing I didn't like was the PSAM dial but that's not a deal breaker for me. The layout is intuitive and really great. So probably an XH2 is going to be the way I go eventually. I found the XH2s to work very similar in performance and AF speed to my R5, which was a pleasant surprise.
@@PeteCocoPhoto the x-h2 will not have an autofocus that is that capable in terms of subject recognition keep that in mind. The fast staked sensor of the h2s enables the camera to be faster with AF.
I would go with the stacked h2s sensor if action is something you enjoy and you want to substitute the r5
@@MT-eb2dx I’m hoping it will be close though. Otherwise the XH2s would be my other choice. It would be nice to have the 40mp for my studio work though.
Yes, Omar, I agree with you. Especially talking about the image coming from these new cameras... They are flat! It's like the companies forgot about that 3D look. The cameras are delivering these flat pictures and when we look at the images from the old CANONS, the NIKONS like D700, D850, D810... You look at the pictures and you see the perspective, that tridimensional sensation. The Z7 is horrible for that! The images are flat, just flat 2D! This new mirrorless CANONS are suffering the same problem. The colors are not the main problem to me, but this lack of depth, of perspective in the pictures. The cameras are technically better, with more dynamic range, with more functions and blablabla, but that full frame look, depth, 3D feeling is lost. I am not talking about bokeh, or out of focus areas in the background. No! I am talking about the overall 3D feeling we had with our old great cameras.
R5 is a great camera no matter what!
Try bringing your photos in with DxO's PhotoLab or CaptureOne. Very noticeable differences in skin tone straight off the camera. I've been using both more than LrC over the past 6 months.
Matching canon colors is rough. Josh Satin, Cam, Tyler S, and Carlos Q they've also they don't match they're take is mostly from video but it definitely applies here. That being said I love my R5 it works for me, but it aint perfect. I too don't like the on/off switch and flipping between photo and video takes way too long, and finally dynamic range in video, but that's it.
Happy the camera works for you! That’s what’s important. 😁
Huh? Color? Every film or digital camera I've used I have never expected to be pleased with what comes out directly from the camera. Either filtration with film or tweaking in processing worked for me and with every digital camera or back (Phase one , Canon) I expect to alter the color in post. I'm a commercial photographer and nearly 100% of the time use Capture One for image capture to Mac.
I tried the Canon RP. I liked most of it, but I hated how the EVF was tinted green. Couldn't shoot in black and white because everything was black and green. Couldn't stand it. Sold it. Too many options available, and I won't be trying Canon again for another 10 years.
Yeahman, like you said! Have a bundle of Canon L lenses. I tried the Nikon 6ii and was wowwed by it. But wasn’t getting dependable IS from 3rd party lens adapters. So i cheaped out, returned the z6ii and got an R6 as i didn’t want to have to replace all my long zooms and primes. But once you taste that Nikon dynamic range and light metering, its hard to go back. So now i am back, having bought a z50 to give me an intro to the system and pondering when to jump back in for my work camera.
Wow. So true. Color and dynamic range. Great video as usual 😍👍
I've been a fuji user from the X-T1 because of the dials and the film simulations. I recently tried R5 and R7 for birds photography. Canon 800mm F11 is incredible, sharp and light with great reach. The auto focus of these two cameras are unreal, so so good. But I keep coming back to my Fuji. I don't know why until you pointed it out. Yes, I'm tired of sliders. 🤔
The micro HDMI on my M50 lasted 3 days out of the box. All I did was hold the camera with a cable plugged in so I could get the fake colors and zebras in the mix and "CRACK!!!" that was the end of it. The weight of only ONE side of the camera pushing up against my palm was all it took. My next camera upgrade will NOT be a Canon!! And besides, the tendency for Canon to be anemic dynamic ranges and poor business ethics of sending their RF customers out to pasture to starve to death with their BAN on 3rd party lenses did me in with Canon. Kasey with Camera Conspiracy's ROCKS!!
I completely agree. The older Nikon , canon DSLR’s just looked better. Old Fuji too.
the abrupt ending! 😂
This was a hilarious review dont agree what so ever I started with canon rebe, canon 40D, 5D MKII, MKIII, MKIV, now I own RP and R5 and they are amazing cameras same goes for the colors.
The issue with colours on the new Canons isn't about the sensor/hardware... it's about Adobe software. Most people complain about colours with cameras are using Adobe Lightroom or Photoshop. Blame Adobe.
If you want the old sensor look, use Canon Raw software. Or use Capture One the way Cam Mackey did. I hear so much about people complaining about colours when shooting raw and blaming the camera yet it's 99% the fault of the software they are using and 99% of the time it's Adobe Camera Raw/Lightroom.
Yep, currently I'm still rocking 5DmkIV, but I'm totally cooled off the idea to switch to Canon mirrorless.
Nikon, my first love, here I come...
Please try sony a1. I think canon colors are still 100% easier to edit :D
I am a fuji user. I respect canon camera and was thinking to get a canon camera but i face the same thing DR. i cancel the deal
Love camera conspiracies!
I enjoyed this.
Ironically the camera will eat battery a lot faster using the camera like a DSLR. Using the LCD to shoot is way more energy efficient. Seems backwards huh? but it’s true …
Bro LMAO. The camera conspiracies intro ... Hilarious
I thought you were going to say the lens mount is locked down :-)
Hey Omar, do you find the R5 autofocus works better during low light (flash) events than the Nikons?
wow. I love the colours from my R5 and R6. Before the colour matching profiles were out I did find some difficulty. Z6ii files are fab but I did not find it had better dynamic range. I've tried what Sony and Nikon has to offer and the R5 is my favourite next to the R6. different strokes.
Same here. I absolutely don't know what he is talking about.
@@momenteimlicht I guess he just needs content
@@momenteimlicht I’ve read reviews with ppl complaining about the color of the R5 and even R3, not being great.
The intro caught me off guard 😂😂😂