M. Arnold When will you all learn these videos are just made to make money off of you all. The two examples are two completely different situations. Buying a political card is the same as voting,a little worse. Paying a supposed bribe IS the way it's done in South America. If they want Any help from the police, EVERYONE has to pay the police off. That is told over and over again in missing persons in Mexico, when they want protection from the police, when searching for a criminal,etc. It's the same in America when they have to pay a Ransomware attack. It's always been that way there That's what they all have to do
They never have to admit they are wrong because they are not. It's two completely different situations. Everyone should know that's how it is in Mexico. Everyone who wants justice has to pay the police. Buying the political cards on the other hand is like "joining" politics. Completely different. And Jesus said whoever doesn't want to pick up his torture stake day after day and follow Jesus is not worthy of him. People don't understand the true meaning of Christianity.
Just enough "light getting brighter and brighter" so they can stumble over their next foolishness. I'll bet their loosening blood fractions rules come from their no blood policy fiasco and probably comes from one of the GB needing some to stay alive to 75, or, err, stay alive, at least, till... later...
I read this is in crisis of conscience and it was the clincher for me. It was the final nail in my faith coffin! Absolutely disgusting that the organization allowed people to go through this, while also telling people in another country that it’s okay to bribe. 😤
There is an underlying issue and main reason for the double standard Wally. In México the watchtower owned lots of properties and they were operating there for decades as a non religious organization because of the risk of their property ownership being taken away by the state. Deep down its all about the money for them, they don't care for human life.
An elder here in the UK worked for the United Nations as an expert advisor in land management and was also vice chair of STAP-GEF (UN) while at the same time giving talks at both circuit assemblies and conventions, he was also an HLC elder. Professor Michael Stocking was his name if you want to do a fact check!
Yeah this one was a HUGE double standard atrocity that WT headquarters silently condoned. Thank you Ray Franz for bringing this to light! This incident proved to me that WT HQ cannot be trusted ever!
@@RitaMalikfour More accurately, I would say that they were completely willing to ignore bribery to military officials under the table in Mexico, but at the same time purchasing a political membership card (in a state that only had ONE political party) was not allowable. Yeah, really righteous, right?
How interesting that you can say the "F" word, but can't say the word that rhymes with ape! It also makes me feel really bad that I took part in the letter campaign to the leader of Malawi, but we weren't told that they could buy a card, similar to our social security card to keep from being persecuted!😑
Watchtower needs any kind of persecution to stay relevant. Without it the witnesses get lax. Persecution keeps membership up. People contribute more. They have an enemy to do battle with. Jehovah will get you for this! They help create their own persecution. CSA is persecution. The ARC is persecution. The court cases persecution. And on it goes.
I remember how we would pray and pray for the brothers and sisters in Malawi. As a child I was horrified and would cry when we heard of the stories of what they were going through. When I discovered the Mexico scandal just a few years ago I couldn’t believe it. Every JW in Africa should be aware of this history, they would most likely burn down the Kingdom Halls. Stabbed in the back by their own “Christian” brothers.
Hello Wally, thank you for thoroughly discussing this,. I heard about this before, but not all the details you brought out. I found it interesting, well, appalling, that the brother on JW Broadcasting left out the horrific crimes against the women. But then again, they were only women. Similar to their attitude towards crimes against children. Shameful.
Mountaingirl. It's two completely different situations. That's the way EVERYONE who wants justice has got to pay the police. That is a well known fact. The political cards are involving in politics, not getting away from it as in Mexico.
Did not know about this until watching your video. Thank you! I’m not shocked by the double standards or inconsistencies. But I’m still appalled by them.
Yeap…what happened to our “brothers and sisters” in the Organization, in Malawi, was absolutely brutal and like you said, “for what?…for what?…” I was a JW kid when Fidel Castro and his communist minions took over Cuba after The Revolution. We had to meet in secret because for a period of years “preaching” and having “religious meetings”were considered “counter-revolutionary”. But we still had meetings in secret and we would preach without carrying any magazines or even dressing up too much so as not to make it too obvious, knocking on one door on a city block and then jumping to the next block or the next street to not make it obvious we were preaching. I was a kid back then but I could feel the fear coming off the adult JWs and luckily I or anyone of my JW family ever got picked up by Fidel’s police, but many of our “brothers and sisters” did, and spent years in Castro’s jails …..and again, we risked losing our freedom or worse and “for what…for what?” Good job by you. 🤔🇨🇺🇺🇸
@@exjehovahswitness Sure did. I was young and parroting what other people said in prayers. Even at the time WT used this as point of faith strengthening. Never let a good crisis go to waste. Great video. Love your content. You are making a difference.
@@exjehovahswitness It is important for all of us in exJW land to support one another. To let people know not only are they “good enough” but exceptional people
I remember the Malawi incident. It was announced at the Kingdom Hall. The witnesses were so proud of these people resisting and suffering persecution. The witnesses loved it. It was persecution!! Jehovah is with us!! I was a kid but I sat there in silence thinking, get the damn card for Pete's sake. But NO. They couldn't do that. Such foolishness. I knew when that was happening it was for watchtower to play the persecution card. In a few years I would be registering for the draft. But that's another story.
Same here. As a kid my mom had me write a letter to the Malawi officials. The ugly truth surfacing now that WT had a double standard is so disgusting! ! It makes my heart ache for all those misled folks back then that suffered so greatly, following some old American dudes who claim to represent God. ☹️😥
Well explained, thanks for talking about this less than heartless episode of watchtower. This is to me: racism of watchtower! I cried so much on this part of Ray Franz book, I was not able to read. When I was a little kid: I was praying for Jehovah's people in Malawi. Since then, everytime I hear about this Country, I have that pain...and tears in my eyes. Since I know the sad truth about it: I still cry 😢 but, I am horrified and infuriated too. How dare they have no punishment 😤 for what they did. And they knew! They have the audacity to bring it back 😤 🤢🤮😡🤬
Thanks Wally and Zeezy, so many people don't know about this. We heard about Malawi because it played into the persecution complex. So much blood on their hands 🙉🙈🙊
What breaks my heart is if this video was to be showed to any witnesses I know they would simply talk about how this was a test from God and he said prosecution would come and that this was right
This video is so disturbing, but necessary to acknowledge. Such double standards by WT, it's a shame they can't be truthful and show the other side to unsuspecting JW's where JW Mexicans were allowed to purchase a political cartillia card during the same time the JW Malawians were being persecuted for refusing a political party card. WOW!
Morning glory That's not what he said. He said they bribed the officials in Mexico, not buy a political card. Paying the police or court officials in Mexico is standard practice. The only way anyone gets justice there
I was brought up with JW teaching hence didn't believe in a person being eternally burnt in hell,but wilfully doing this to your 'own brothers &sisters' , including countless other atrocities, I sincerely hope the Father have a special place reserved for those responsible.
Outlawing religions is usually counterproductive as it typically makes them stronger. However I do think it could be helpful if individual leaders were penalized for giving instructions that lead to bodily harm or death.
I mean why wouldn't they just get the card and call it spiritual warfare! They don't mind lying about a host of other things! GET THE CARD!! Who cares!! Play your spiritual warfare card!! OMG it's so silly.
Such a stupid double standard "oh it's different because you're not giving the money to the military directly but to an individual who makes the arrangements" 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 The mental gymnastics these people do are awful and now they're using the story that's thier fault to say "oh they were so persecuted because we're so great that they hate us"
Yes I agree but the point was to highlight how dumb it is on RUclipss part! It's throwing shade at them by using something that is objectively more offensive than the word. Does that make sense? Why is RUclips offended by the word but not offended by a ridiculous meme over such a heavy topic.
gotcha, well sorry about that.... I felt that some that were new to the channel or maybe this is their first video might not understand but those who know how I feel about victims of violation in all of it's forms would see it for what it was. Thanks for the feedback
How many times here in the US did we have meetings canceled because of slightly icy roads? Smoke if you live in PNW? Power outages? Yet these poor people were meeting in the forest while being hunted and nobody put a stop to it. Disgusting. I hate Watchtower more than words can convey.
Malawi was brought up a lot when I was a kid. Decades later, I actually looked up what happened there. While Wally does a great job, this does not really touch on how horrible the torture was because RUclips will not allow it. The WT does not show how bad it was either., although you get a very general idea of what was done to the women. Some Witnesses were tortured to death in the most horrific ways you can imagine and some probably can;t imagine. The details of what was done to some women and children, as well as men, is just sick.
Yes as a child living in a "safe" country we had to hear about all the horrific crimes being done to our brothers. The org wanted everyone to write letters to Malawi so my parents did. But my parents also made sure to tell us that these horrific things could easily happen to us being burned alive having our finger nails ripped out the bottoms of our feet caned with bamboo, but we had to remain neutral above all. It must of been bad to live through that brutality but we were also physiologically brutalised by hearing it all as very young children and it lasted years. I never heard of Mexico till 2 years ago. Yes what double standards
@@exjehovahswitness i consume alot of ''critical'' commentary - i'm exmo and new to jw info - the governing body is basically the lds general authority - they could be reading from the same playbook --- and you are one of my new favourite commentators, for sure
Wally, this fool and indoctrinated brother says " Jehovah wanted the Malawi brothers to suffer for the same reasons he didn't allow the Mexican brothers to suffer. To me that's racism. What a God. That's not my God. That's Watchtower's.
Why would they apologize when those human beings were the sacrifices for Watchtower power and riches? Who do they really serve? Why do they keep "inculcating" into the minds of Witnesses that they will have to blindly obey the gb even if it makes no human sense? What's coming?
@@exjehovahswitness Yes, it really hurts to know this happened when Geoffrey Jackson couldn't even muster up the courage to speak truth about who he says he is. It make me 😫
During WW2 Rutherford kept on instructing the members in Germany to kept placing literature knowing well that they will be executed or end up in concentration camps. He drove them to their death.
I’m a never JW so I may be missing something. When they gave the Mexican’s permission to bribe, they stated it was because the money would go to an individual, not the political system. Wasn’t the rule in Malawi consistent with that? The purchase was directly from the Party, right? Obviously, the 2/3 vote should have been over ruled to save lives. It does sound as though they were consistent in this crazy rule, though.
Actually there is no rule about specifically where the money goes, it doesnt matter. Only in the matter of taxes does it talk about that. Bribing an official is a crime and WT was saying it was okay because they assume it happens a lot over there.
Are they on some level reasoning that if Lot was willing to sacrifice his daughters to the gang, they too can sacrifice their wives, daughters and nieces to be AGHHH!!!!!!
My dad paid for his.. I remember asking him how he got away with not serving his country, he said well in this case it’s ok to bribe to get out of it… I was little and confused lol
Yes my dad said he had to pay to get the bola negra or something like that (black ball) I don’t remember the exact term since it was a long time ago, if they got that it meant they were excused from being part of the military but people only got it by luck or bribing lol I am not a JW anymore and my parents don’t talk to me lol
Truly appreciate your videos. This is a well made video but the music is a bit distracting.. Not sure the sound used for r-pe is the best. I also want to share your videos with older witnesses. Increasing numbers are waking up. I was a young teenager in the '70s when these horrors took place in Malawi. Beyond devastating. Between forms of persecution including Malawi, Nazism and shunning, and scripturally debunked blood policy copy no other religions requires the literal human sacrifice of it's members other than Watchtower.
😱😱😱😱Just no words for watchtower s inconsistencies 😱.. HI sorry I've not watched of late my state in South Africa has had floods!!!! We had lots of infrusture down.. Net is up and down and no running water for 6 days.. Love you're channel keep up the wonderful Vids..
I still can't believe this. Like, I know it happened, but I don't understand why the Governing Body is so quick to disregard life. Even from their ivory tower they must realize it's precious, despite their nonsense blood doctrine. Or I may just be hoping that they're more human than they really are. Either way this wasn't the best video to watch before work, I think I'm gonna stay home and cry a bit, because this was senseless 😥. Is there a charity fund or an organization that helps? Can we get involved?
The WTS takes abortion more seriously as they say life is sacred. I agree it is, but they don't give too hoots if someone dies from refusing a life saving blood transfusion. Isn't their life worth saving as well and just as sacred as that unborn childs?
24:14 and then later, these same decisions that led to the death of many, came to be changed, somewhat, and indeed it shows how pointless they were, and that humans in seats of influence making decisions that many suffer for, that are later altered, making the suffering look pointless, and the memory bitter for many. I find that part sad and confusing.
9:42 Did anyone else notice the emphasis on miscarriage here? Obviously a miscarriage can be a deeply traumatic experience also, but it feels like they are expecting you to care more about the lost pregnancy than the overall well-being of the women in the paragraph.
I don't fully understand what you are saying because I don't speak English, but you said that many Malawi Witnesses after what they went through left the organization?
Wally, I could see the pain on your face when talking about the suffering of these people. I could hear the pain in your voice. The watchtower allowed that to happen and then use it to keep others in the organization. Yes, the organization not a real religion with Jesus involved. They will be judged by Jesus and it will not be pretty.
We had that Lancer... My grandma couldn't drive a stick and she popped the clutch and hopped over a concrete barrier and broke the axle! Us kids were glad because she needed an automatic!
Why must you add all that silly B.S. just report the story please 🥺 😁 ok sometimes it's funny, I guess I'm not in the mood today. I know if I don't like it there are many other channels ok I'll chill
I wonder now. In the UK if you are not registered to vote, you can be fined. I wonder if JW's in the UK will register to vote, not necessarily take part in voting as that is not required. The requirement is to register. Would they not be allowed to do it on Watchtower's say so?
The actions of the people of Malawi at the time were inexcusable. They didn't do that because the law told them too they did it because they wanted too. I'm afraid this issue goes way beyond Watch Tower.
Simple childs Question ~~How do you know what the writers wrote down at the Time is true in the first place its like mythology in the making ~~~~ i mean walking on water the sun standing still the walking dead raising from the dead changing water into wine ~~what does it look like to the normal thinking person who reads Greek mythology
@@exjehovahswitness where is John Cedars when you need him 😂😂😂🥳🤔......I'll give you a hot tip Wally ....Mohamed Ali.....his lawyer for his conscientious objection case was the head of Watchtower Legal ....Hayden Covington !....I was a friend of the family ....I was completely expunged from U Tube for telling what I know ,because Watchtower is going to start replacing the anointed Governing Body with the so called Great Crowd ...Hayden's son in law was my best friend ,and the top elder in my town ,and as a Giliadite will definitely be on the Blundering Body ....problem is ....He was one of the biggest drug dealers in the city ...I tried to blow him up ....not finished !
@@exjehovahswitness Yep. I was going to jail during the Vietnam War. But then the lottery system came about and I had a high number. Others before me went to jail and it changed their lives forever. Then watchtower came out and said that you could do non military service. Too late for ones already that spent time in jail. I'm sorry but I hate that bunch. Watchtower can kiss my ass!
The Malawi/Mexico debacle was something I was blissfully unaware of until I was out and read Crisis of Conscience. I just remember crying and feeling completely gutted. Your conclusion is spot on.
@@exjehovahswitness fan-freaking-tastic!! The weather is TERRIBLE in my corner of the state, so the cats and I are hunkered down with hot tea and dreams of sunshine 🤣🤣
The end justifies the means. Now they have this sad story coming from this gentleman that gives the rank and file the persecution that the governing body has wet dreams about.
There's no correct or wrong way of commenting on this. Is bribery really bribery? What did Jesus mean when he said in Matt 5 : 25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, while thou art with him in the way; lest haply the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. (ASV Bible) I am thinking, Jesus is bringing to my mind that; govt's don't truly have authority over us. Fear not the one...(Satan) Yes when being found out they can throw both you and the officers into jail but they have to catch you first. Anyway who are you disadvantaging when you pay that "bribe"? You did no harm to your fellow human did you? So JW did no sin paying that corrupt officials what they required of them. It a crisis of conscience as Ray rightly puts it. I commend JW's for not serving in wars, though I have other issues I disagree with.
that's where I pretty much stand... I don't hate JWs, change and transformation are for all, because I am well aware that no denomination is perfect, no human is perfect, all fall short, but there are things I disagree with for such...
with that in mine that they met in secret at night while under ban following the superior authorities? why not meet in secret during lock down with covid 19 but they were told we must obey superior authorities
15:56 The thing is: I think in many denominations of Christianity a very great many would choose suffering and even death over giving up their faith because someone\government threatens their life. As is the case in Russia, who has named JWs a terrorist organisation and tortured and thrown many in prison for continuing to preach, raiding their homes etc; and similarly, as was the case in WW2, many JWs and some of the denomination Christians accepted death or being executed rather than fight for Hitler or take part in any part of the War. The hypocrisy is noted, what eg seems like manmade rules that led to the death of some, which then came to be changed under ''new light'', such things are worrying. But, that aside, and like it or not, dying for one's belief in general - in a more general sense in Religion - is something you will find in all denominations and it is happening a lot in our time; eg many Christians are being murdered by the religion that wants them to relinquish their belief in Christ and say a shahada, and, in such cases, to be honest, I couldn't force a Christian to ; it's a complex crazy world with live in; Muslims are also ready to die for their beliefs, and we know that very well; and I dare say that as the world closes in on Christians - as is the prophetic expectations they live by - then the expectation is that a great many of them will chose to lay down their lives for their Scripture-based beliefs and prefer to die in obedience to Christ than to relinquish their faith at the command of those who hate esent them for their beliefs. And in case you wonder: no, I am not a JW. But the teachings of Christ I love indeed.
Yes, I wish current JWs would learn of all the hypocrisy in the org. This one is especially egregious. Thanks for the Vid, Wally. ❤️
Yeah me too; but I think for the most part they're willingness to believe the doctrine is greater than their desire to know the actual truth.
They just flat out don't care. I've tried, it goes right over their heads
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You are exactly right.
The replacement "word" seems to make light of a horrible experience, especially when coupled with the violin music
M. Arnold When will you all learn these videos are just made to make money off of you all. The two examples are two completely different situations. Buying a political card is the same as voting,a little worse. Paying a supposed bribe IS the way it's done in South America. If they want Any help from the police, EVERYONE has to pay the police off. That is told over and over again in missing persons in Mexico, when they want protection from the police, when searching for a criminal,etc. It's the same in America when they have to pay a Ransomware attack. It's always been that way there
That's what they all have to do
Wow, never heard this before. The Watchtower WILL never admit they are wrong. They will simply call it "new light". Thanks for sharing.
They never have to admit they are wrong because they are not. It's two completely different situations. Everyone should know that's how it is in Mexico. Everyone who wants justice has to pay the police. Buying the political cards on the other hand is like "joining" politics. Completely different. And Jesus said whoever doesn't want to pick up his torture stake day after day and follow Jesus is not worthy of him. People don't understand the true meaning of Christianity.
Just enough "light getting brighter and brighter" so they can stumble over their next foolishness. I'll bet their loosening blood fractions rules come from their no blood policy fiasco and probably comes from one of the GB needing some to stay alive to 75, or, err, stay alive, at least, till... later...
@@lifeswhatyoumakeit3696 no, sick mind. It's the same.
Hope you guys enjoy a more documentary style on this one.
Exjws think they are clever than Jehovah God and Jesus christ Proverbs 3:33-34,😂🤣😅😆😁😅🤣🤣🤣
Excellent job as usual!!!
I have to say Wally, I think that this was your best piece of work yet. LOVE the style and how concise it was.
@@Apostate704 Okay 👍 👌
@@Apostate704 thanks I was trying to not talk the subject to death
I read this is in crisis of conscience and it was the clincher for me. It was the final nail in my faith coffin! Absolutely disgusting that the organization allowed people to go through this, while also telling people in another country that it’s okay to bribe. 😤
There is an underlying issue and main reason for the double standard Wally. In México the watchtower owned lots of properties and they were operating there for decades as a non religious organization because of the risk of their property ownership being taken away by the state. Deep down its all about the money for them, they don't care for human life.
An elder here in the UK worked for the United Nations as an expert advisor in land management and was also vice chair of STAP-GEF (UN) while at the same time giving talks at both circuit assemblies and conventions, he was also an HLC elder.
Professor Michael Stocking was his name if you want to do a fact check!
You did an awesome job on this video. It is sickening how this organization dealt with this. Absolutely reprehensible.
Yeah this one was a HUGE double standard atrocity that WT headquarters silently condoned. Thank you Ray Franz for bringing this to light! This incident proved to me that WT HQ cannot be trusted ever!
yeah this is just disgusting
So in one country bribery is ok? But not in another, if I got this right? The gb did not help?
That really troubles me why do the j w s give money but n ver get help?
I’m not sure what happened here, one country could bribe? But not the other ? The g b refused help with the billions of dollars they are given
@@RitaMalikfour More accurately, I would say that they were completely willing to ignore bribery to military officials under the table in Mexico, but at the same time purchasing a political membership card (in a state that only had ONE political party) was not allowable. Yeah, really righteous, right?
How interesting that you can say the "F" word, but can't say the word that rhymes with ape! It also makes me feel really bad that I took part in the letter campaign to the leader of Malawi, but we weren't told that they could buy a card, similar to our social security card to keep from being persecuted!😑
yeah I hope people got why I chose to use the whilhem scream to protest the stupid policy!
Watchtower needs any kind of persecution to stay relevant. Without it the witnesses get lax. Persecution keeps membership up. People contribute more. They have an enemy to do battle with. Jehovah will get you for this! They help create their own persecution. CSA is persecution. The ARC is persecution. The court cases persecution. And on it goes.
I remember how we would pray and pray for the brothers and sisters in Malawi. As a child I was horrified and would cry when we heard of the stories of what they were going through.
When I discovered the Mexico scandal just a few years ago I couldn’t believe it. Every JW in Africa should be aware of this history, they would most likely burn down the Kingdom Halls. Stabbed in the back by their own “Christian” brothers.
Hello Wally, thank you for thoroughly discussing this,. I heard about this before, but not all the details you brought out. I found it interesting, well, appalling, that the brother on JW Broadcasting left out the horrific crimes against the women. But then again, they were only women. Similar to their attitude towards crimes against children. Shameful.
shameful is the right word!
And watchtower is not even slightly embarrassed by it.
Mountaingirl. It's two completely different situations. That's the way EVERYONE who wants justice has got to pay the police. That is a well known fact. The political cards are involving in politics, not getting away from it as in Mexico.
@@lifeswhatyoumakeit3696 Hello, I'm not sure what you mean. What are the 2 different situations?
@@susanjane5837 One was the normal way of getting justice in Mexico. The other was actually being part of politics
Keep up the good work Wally☺️ I was absolutely appalled when I read that in Crisis of Conscience.
It's so good!
Did not know about this until watching your video. Thank you! I’m not shocked by the double standards or inconsistencies. But I’m still appalled by them.
They took a chance at being tortured/killed for smuggling what in time turned out to be "old light."
Yeap…what happened to our “brothers and sisters” in the Organization, in Malawi, was absolutely brutal and like you said, “for what?…for what?…” I was a JW kid when Fidel Castro and his communist minions took over Cuba after The Revolution. We had to meet in secret because for a period of years “preaching” and having “religious meetings”were considered “counter-revolutionary”. But we still had meetings in secret and we would preach without carrying any magazines or even dressing up too much so as not to make it too obvious, knocking on one door on a city block and then jumping to the next block or the next street to not make it obvious we were preaching. I was a kid back then but I could feel the fear coming off the adult JWs and luckily I or anyone of my JW family ever got picked up by Fidel’s police, but many of our “brothers and sisters” did, and spent years in Castro’s jails …..and again, we risked losing our freedom or worse and “for what…for what?”
Good job by you.
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Once again, thank you for making this video.
I remember praying from the stage for our brothers in Malawi
good gravy!
@@exjehovahswitness
Sure did. I was young and parroting what other people said in prayers.
Even at the time WT used this as point of faith strengthening. Never let a good crisis go to waste.
Great video. Love your content.
You are making a difference.
hey thanks for the kind words!
@@exjehovahswitness
It is important for all of us in exJW land to support one another. To let people know not only are they “good enough” but exceptional people
you are exceptional
I remember the Malawi incident. It was announced at the Kingdom Hall. The witnesses were so proud of these people resisting and suffering persecution. The witnesses loved it. It was persecution!! Jehovah is with us!! I was a kid but I sat there in silence thinking, get the damn card for Pete's sake. But NO. They couldn't do that. Such foolishness. I knew when that was happening it was for watchtower to play the persecution card. In a few years I would be registering for the draft. But that's another story.
Same here. As a kid my mom had me write a letter to the Malawi officials.
The ugly truth surfacing now that WT had a double standard is so disgusting! ! It makes my heart ache for all those misled folks back then that suffered so greatly, following some old American dudes who claim to represent God. ☹️😥
I remember the Malawi horror. I did not know about the double standard at the time. It's horrible what they put people through.
Well explained, thanks for talking about this less than heartless episode of watchtower. This is to me: racism of watchtower! I cried so much on this part of Ray Franz book, I was not able to read. When I was a little kid: I was praying for Jehovah's people in Malawi. Since then, everytime I hear about this Country, I have that pain...and tears in my eyes. Since I know the sad truth about it: I still cry 😢 but, I am horrified and infuriated too. How dare they have no punishment 😤 for what they did. And they knew! They have the audacity to bring it back 😤 🤢🤮😡🤬
Thanks Wally and Zeezy, so many people don't know about this. We heard about Malawi because it played into the persecution complex. So much blood on their hands 🙉🙈🙊
yeah it is disgusting
Thanks for putting a spot light on this, and very well done 🤙🏽
My pleasure!
What breaks my heart is if this video was to be showed to any witnesses I know they would simply talk about how this was a test from God and he said prosecution would come and that this was right
Hi Wally! Your emotion always resonates with me and this video was especially moving. 💔
I'm so glad!
Hi Wally! Thank you for presenting this subject in such a well thought out and dignified manner. ❤️
Glad you enjoyed it!
This video is so disturbing, but necessary to acknowledge. Such double standards by WT, it's a shame they can't be truthful and show the other side to unsuspecting JW's where JW Mexicans were allowed to purchase a political cartillia card during the same time the JW Malawians were being persecuted for refusing a political party card. WOW!
yeah this one is very important
Not just purchasing a card but PAYING AN ILLEGAL BRIBE to corrupt officials to get one ! !
Ultimate hypocrisy, in the name of God ! !
Morning glory That's not what he said. He said they bribed the officials in Mexico, not buy a political card. Paying the police or court officials in Mexico is standard practice. The only way anyone gets justice there
I was brought up with JW teaching hence didn't believe in a person being eternally burnt in hell,but wilfully doing this to your 'own brothers &sisters' , including countless other atrocities, I sincerely hope the Father have a special place reserved for those responsible.
yeah this was pretty awful!
This was your most powerful presentation to date. So sad. The cult should be outlawed.
Thanks! I think that one came together very well
Outlawing religions is usually counterproductive as it typically makes them stronger. However I do think it could be helpful if individual leaders were penalized for giving instructions that lead to bodily harm or death.
This is a well presented video. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This was the best video you made. It was something very necessary to talk about.
This was difficult to watch. Very well put together and presented. Keep up the good work! 💗
Thank you so much!
If only Malawi knew what Mexico was doing in those days! Buy a card to keep from military service VS get a card to keep your life 🤦♀️
Yeah and it is so much worse when you have people in the middle that could fix the whole thing and they just get caught behind red tape
I mean why wouldn't they just get the card and call it spiritual warfare! They don't mind lying about a host of other things! GET THE CARD!! Who cares!! Play your spiritual warfare card!! OMG it's so silly.
killer video playa @JW Thoughts - dig the VO, layover.
Such a stupid double standard "oh it's different because you're not giving the money to the military directly but to an individual who makes the arrangements" 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
The mental gymnastics these people do are awful and now they're using the story that's thier fault to say "oh they were so persecuted because we're so great that they hate us"
My sentiments exactly!!
Thanks Walls! Your conclusion was very accurate. Why? I loved what Lady Cee said the other night. "They're assholes."
that was pretty funny!
This very point was what woke me up
Now I know why followers of watchtower are called Jehovah wickedness
Blessed are you when persecuted for watchtowers sake for great is your chance for a reward in paradise
Wouldn't it be more respectful to substitute a synonym for rape (assaults on women, violation of women, attacks on women) than that sound effect?
Yes I agree but the point was to highlight how dumb it is on RUclipss part! It's throwing shade at them by using something that is objectively more offensive than the word. Does that make sense? Why is RUclips offended by the word but not offended by a ridiculous meme over such a heavy topic.
@@exjehovahswitness It may be dumb but a rape victim listening probably isn't going to think of it that way.
gotcha, well sorry about that.... I felt that some that were new to the channel or maybe this is their first video might not understand but those who know how I feel about victims of violation in all of it's forms would see it for what it was. Thanks for the feedback
How many times here in the US did we have meetings canceled because of slightly icy roads? Smoke if you live in PNW? Power outages? Yet these poor people were meeting in the forest while being hunted and nobody put a stop to it. Disgusting. I hate Watchtower more than words can convey.
Malawi was brought up a lot when I was a kid. Decades later, I actually looked up what happened there. While Wally does a great job, this does not really touch on how horrible the torture was because RUclips will not allow it. The WT does not show how bad it was either., although you get a very general idea of what was done to the women. Some Witnesses were tortured to death in the most horrific ways you can imagine and some probably can;t imagine. The details of what was done to some women and children, as well as men, is just sick.
Yes as a child living in a "safe" country we had to hear about all the horrific crimes being done to our brothers. The org wanted everyone to write letters to Malawi so my parents did. But my parents also made sure to tell us that these horrific things could easily happen to us being burned alive having our finger nails ripped out the bottoms of our feet caned with bamboo, but we had to remain neutral above all. It must of been bad to live through that brutality but we were also physiologically brutalised by hearing it all as very young children and it lasted years. I never heard of Mexico till 2 years ago. Yes what double standards
And yet “Jehovah was with them”. Just makes me sick to my heart ! !
This made me physically sick when I found this out. I've been awake about 9 months. 😢
Hi Wally! You probably won’t see this as I’m very late to the video. I have to say I dig your smooth style and workaround sound effects.
Hey, thanks!
SO well done Wally.
Ha Ha Haaaaaa Chevy Chase and Steve Martin Ride In that was hillarious😁👍 Good Job Wally!!! I really enjoyed this video you did a Great Job😊😎👍
Your videos are 🔥🔥🔥
I always appreciate some kind words. I tend to be very hard on myself
@@exjehovahswitness i consume alot of ''critical'' commentary - i'm exmo and new to jw info - the governing body is basically the lds general authority - they could be reading from the same playbook --- and you are one of my new favourite commentators, for sure
A. Clear example to follow the governing body even if it doesn't make sense
Very clear example
got that right
Most would call this lying and deceit!!!
Best one so far ..well done wally 😇🥰
Wally , once again you expose the hypocritical actions of the WT.
yeah that situation is so messed up
Watchtower - we’re not always right but we’re NEVER wrong.
Well said
Wally, this fool and indoctrinated brother says " Jehovah wanted the Malawi brothers to suffer for the same reasons he didn't allow the Mexican brothers to suffer. To me that's racism. What a God. That's not my God. That's Watchtower's.
Why would they apologize when those human beings were the sacrifices for Watchtower power and riches? Who do they really serve? Why do they keep "inculcating" into the minds of Witnesses that they will have to blindly obey the gb even if it makes no human sense? What's coming?
I guess when you put it like that
@@exjehovahswitness Yes, it really hurts to know this happened when Geoffrey Jackson couldn't even muster up the courage to speak truth about who he says he is. It make me 😫
During WW2 Rutherford kept on instructing the members in Germany to kept placing literature knowing well that they will be executed or end up in concentration camps. He drove them to their death.
I’m a never JW so I may be missing something. When they gave the Mexican’s permission to bribe, they stated it was because the money would go to an individual, not the political system. Wasn’t the rule in Malawi consistent with that? The purchase was directly from the Party, right? Obviously, the 2/3 vote should have been over ruled to save lives. It does sound as though they were consistent in this crazy rule, though.
it's is the matter of having the card more than the means of obtaining it.
2/3 of Israel shall perish....
... For the lack of knowledge.
Wholeness and Balance ⚖️
Actually there is no rule about specifically where the money goes, it doesnt matter. Only in the matter of taxes does it talk about that. Bribing an official is a crime and WT was saying it was okay because they assume it happens a lot over there.
Are they on some level reasoning that if Lot was willing to sacrifice his daughters to the gang, they too can sacrifice their wives, daughters and nieces to be AGHHH!!!!!!
yeah very true!
if the governing body told them not to buy those political party cards, then they should have facilitated escape for those people.
What the fuc, why the fuc, how the fuc… Amen!
pretty much sums it all up
I remember my dad telling me when the brothers were beaten they only felt the first blow and then jehovah took away the pain
Was what woke me up.
truly horrible
My dad paid for his.. I remember asking him how he got away with not serving his country, he said well in this case it’s ok to bribe to get out of it… I was little and confused lol
wow! that is crazy that you have 1st hand experience with this foolishness
Yes my dad said he had to pay to get the bola negra or something like that (black ball) I don’t remember the exact term since it was a long time ago, if they got that it meant they were excused from being part of the military but people only got it by luck or bribing lol
I am not a JW anymore and my parents don’t talk to me lol
Wow. I didn't know it was just because of a stupid vote. I thought it had something to do losing properties.
that also played a role in it! but time and trying to be concise limited me to just the main points. But we will come back to it
Wow! You will know them by their fruits!😢 foolish sacrifices for false prophets!
I can't believe I have donated money to this organization
I often think about the thousands of dollars I donated to these monsters!
At least your not doing it anymore.
Well done sir
The letter at 5:08, do we know if it was published in the watchtower publications??
Hitting the nail on the head. So much more than another religion
True - Wally
and so sad
Truly appreciate your videos. This is a well made video but the music is a bit distracting.. Not sure the sound used for r-pe is the best. I also want to share your videos with older witnesses. Increasing numbers are waking up. I was a young teenager in the '70s when these horrors took place in Malawi. Beyond devastating. Between forms of persecution including Malawi, Nazism and shunning, and scripturally debunked blood policy copy no other religions requires the literal human sacrifice of it's members other than Watchtower.
I’m shook
El servicio militar en Mexico aun sigue siendo obligatorio para trabajar en algunos lugares
A cult of personal self loathing.
😱😱😱😱Just no words for watchtower s inconsistencies 😱..
HI sorry I've not watched of late my state in South Africa has had floods!!!! We had lots of infrusture down.. Net is up and down and no running water for 6 days.. Love you're channel keep up the wonderful Vids..
I still can't believe this. Like, I know it happened, but I don't understand why the Governing Body is so quick to disregard life. Even from their ivory tower they must realize it's precious, despite their nonsense blood doctrine. Or I may just be hoping that they're more human than they really are. Either way this wasn't the best video to watch before work, I think I'm gonna stay home and cry a bit, because this was senseless 😥. Is there a charity fund or an organization that helps? Can we get involved?
The WTS takes abortion more seriously as they say life is sacred. I agree it is, but they don't give too hoots if someone dies from refusing a life saving blood transfusion. Isn't their life worth saving as well and just as sacred as that unborn childs?
It happened in the 60s
24:14 and then later, these same decisions that led to the death of many, came to be changed, somewhat, and indeed it shows how pointless they were, and that humans in seats of influence making decisions that many suffer for, that are later altered, making the suffering look pointless, and the memory bitter for many. I find that part sad and confusing.
In my view their reason is racism. The people who suffered were black. But the people allowed to bribe were not.
TL/DR: What the fuck? Why the fuck? and How the fuck?
😢
😞😭😡 not only am I heartbroken for the Malawian people I’m so angry. Why the hell did they allow this to happen to them? WT is wrong.
9:42 Did anyone else notice the emphasis on miscarriage here? Obviously a miscarriage can be a deeply traumatic experience also, but it feels like they are expecting you to care more about the lost pregnancy than the overall well-being of the women in the paragraph.
I don't fully understand what you are saying because I don't speak English, but you said that many Malawi Witnesses after what they went through left the organization?
Wally, I could see the pain on your face when talking about the suffering of these people. I could hear the pain in your voice. The watchtower allowed that to happen and then use it to keep others in the organization. Yes, the organization not a real religion with Jesus involved. They will be judged by Jesus and it will not be pretty.
this type of stuff really effects me!
There's no heavenly judgement coming... sorry but no..
I get it committing a criminal offence by breaking the law in Malawi is perfectly ok as long as you are serving an honest God😂
We had that Lancer... My grandma couldn't drive a stick and she popped the clutch and hopped over a concrete barrier and broke the axle! Us kids were glad because she needed an automatic!
Why must you add all that silly B.S. just report the story please 🥺 😁 ok sometimes it's funny, I guess I'm not in the mood today. I know if I don't like it there are many other channels ok I'll chill
hahaha thanks for the feedback, I enjoyed you going through the all these different mental stages in one comment!
I wonder now. In the UK if you are not registered to vote, you can be fined. I wonder if JW's in the UK will register to vote, not necessarily take part in voting as that is not required. The requirement is to register. Would they not be allowed to do it on Watchtower's say so?
Good question
HYPOCRISY, LYING, DECEIT
The actions of the people of Malawi at the time were inexcusable. They didn't do that because the law told them too they did it because they wanted too. I'm afraid this issue goes way beyond Watch Tower.
Simple childs Question ~~How do you know what the writers wrote down at the Time is true in the first place its like mythology in the making ~~~~ i mean walking on water the sun standing still the walking dead raising from the dead changing water into wine ~~what does it look like to the normal thinking person who reads Greek mythology
Love your work, HATE THE CAT THING,
Not really new this info was available in 1984.
I believe they allowed non military service during WW1 ....
not until 1994 I think
@@exjehovahswitness where is John Cedars when you need him 😂😂😂🥳🤔......I'll give you a hot tip Wally ....Mohamed Ali.....his lawyer for his conscientious objection case was the head of Watchtower Legal ....Hayden Covington !....I was a friend of the family ....I was completely expunged from U Tube for telling what I know ,because Watchtower is going to start replacing the anointed Governing Body with the so called Great Crowd ...Hayden's son in law was my best friend ,and the top elder in my town ,and as a Giliadite will definitely be on the Blundering Body ....problem is ....He was one of the biggest drug dealers in the city ...I tried to blow him up ....not finished !
@@exjehovahswitness
Yep. I was going to jail during the Vietnam War. But then the lottery system came about and I had a high number. Others before me went to jail and it changed their lives forever. Then watchtower came out and said that you could do non military service. Too late for ones already that spent time in jail. I'm sorry but I hate that bunch. Watchtower can kiss my ass!
Mornin Wally
The Malawi/Mexico debacle was something I was blissfully unaware of until I was out and read Crisis of Conscience. I just remember crying and feeling completely gutted.
Your conclusion is spot on.
hey how are ya
@@exjehovahswitness fan-freaking-tastic!! The weather is TERRIBLE in my corner of the state, so the cats and I are hunkered down with hot tea and dreams of sunshine 🤣🤣
yeah it looks a bit dogy out! I imagine it's much worse there
@@exjehovahswitness suns out, birds are singing….give it 3 minutes. The ocean is ANGRY today 😂
The end justifies the means. Now they have this sad story coming from this gentleman that gives the rank and file the persecution that the governing body has wet dreams about.
Chubby Checker was 1960 not Marvin Gaye
There's no correct or wrong way of commenting on this. Is bribery really bribery? What did Jesus mean when he said in Matt 5 : 25
Agree with thine adversary quickly, while thou art with him in the way; lest haply the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. (ASV Bible)
I am thinking, Jesus is bringing to my mind that; govt's don't truly have authority over us. Fear not the one...(Satan) Yes when being found out they can throw both you and the officers into jail but they have to catch you first. Anyway who are you disadvantaging when you pay that "bribe"? You did no harm to your fellow human did you? So JW did no sin paying that corrupt officials what they required of them. It a crisis of conscience as Ray rightly puts it. I commend JW's for not serving in wars, though I have other issues I disagree with.
that's where I pretty much stand... I don't hate JWs, change and transformation are for all, because I am well aware that no denomination is perfect, no human is perfect, all fall short, but there are things I disagree with for such...
If you think the brothers have lost the plot ......then where are you ?
You know what's coming don't you . .....don't you ? Not the 60s anymore
with that in mine that they met in secret at night while under ban following the superior authorities? why not meet in secret during lock down with covid 19 but they were told we must obey superior authorities
7:51 had me clapping
15:56 The thing is: I think in many denominations of Christianity a very great many would choose suffering and even death over giving up their faith because someone\government threatens their life. As is the case in Russia, who has named JWs a terrorist organisation and tortured and thrown many in prison for continuing to preach, raiding their homes etc; and similarly, as was the case in WW2, many JWs and some of the denomination Christians accepted death or being executed rather than fight for Hitler or take part in any part of the War. The hypocrisy is noted, what eg seems like manmade rules that led to the death of some, which then came to be changed under ''new light'', such things are worrying. But, that aside, and like it or not, dying for one's belief in general - in a more general sense in Religion - is something you will find in all denominations and it is happening a lot in our time; eg many Christians are being murdered by the religion that wants them to relinquish their belief in Christ and say a shahada, and, in such cases, to be honest, I couldn't force a Christian to ; it's a complex crazy world with live in; Muslims are also ready to die for their beliefs, and we know that very well; and I dare say that as the world closes in on Christians - as is the prophetic expectations they live by - then the expectation is that a great many of them will chose to lay down their lives for their Scripture-based beliefs and prefer to die in obedience to Christ than to relinquish their faith at the command of those who hate
esent them for their beliefs. And in case you wonder: no, I am not a JW. But the teachings of Christ I love indeed.