Violinist's Health - Interview with a Hand Doctor (Part I)
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2022
- Professor of violin Julia Bushkova interviews Andra Sterzik, OTR, CHT, about common problems and ailments of violinists' hands.
1. Double-jointedness
2. Buckling pinky
3. Left-hand thumb position
4. Left forearm rotation VS wrist rotation
5. Exercising for proper forearm rotation
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I love this video! I struggled for years with left forearm rotation and eventually gave up the violin believing my problems were somehow all my fault. Many years later I learned that I was born with the bones of my forearms fused together, meaning that no matter how hard I try I have hardly any rotation at all and my forearms are basically 'stuck'. Luckily in my case there's a happy ending: it turns out I have just enough mobility for the cello, so I've taken that up as an adult and it's a great joy to me. I think it's brilliant that teachers and physical therapists nowadays are so much more informed about the biomechanics of playing. If I'd understood my physical issues earlier in my life it would have saved me a lot of heartache and I'd have switched instruments much sooner.
Last year I seriously injured my left wrist over-practicing right before a musical I was playing for, because I had an audition coming up. The piece was my first time having to shift as much as it required, and I spent ages without breaks trying to get it just right. I would strain my wrist trying to get my wrist to move at a speed it wasn't capable of moving at the time. I learned my lesson, I wasn't able to perform for the musical, and spent weeks in a brace. But I did get to audition and got into the orchestra.
@violinclass Professor Bushkova Please let me begin by saying I cannot thank you enough for doing this video. I am an adult learner and have been playing for almost 5 years. I've always believed in stretching before my practice. In the past 1.5 years, I've been having some pain in my left wrist that radiates to the muscles around my ulna bone. I have some knowledge of anatomy as I am also a certified personal trainer. I've already seen a hand specialist which was a waste of time. He just gave me a brace and told me to rest, and gave me a prescription for meloxicam. I knew from that point he was not interested in fixing the problem. I've also kept my instructor involved in what's going on because I've been vocal about her incorporating stretching exercises for her students, particularly her adult students that come with limited mobility. This video hits right at the heart of my problem. I felt heard watching this video. I am overjoyed. How can I ever repay you for this? Now I feel like the Sky is the limit. Wowwzeers!!!
i have been on a mission to fix my hyperextension on my left hand (especially on E, sometimes A) and this explanation of overcompensating in the wrist because of an inadequate rotation in the forearm really is the most solid point I have found. tysm, I love this channel. I will be adding new stretches and exercises to my routine!
Excellent video! This shows how important it is to train the weak part of the hand, especially the fourth finger right from the start.
Это очень здорово,что Вы освещаете такие темы, которые по сей день плохо изучены. Знания анатомии позволит взростить гораздо больше талантливых скрипачей,чем раньше)) В России этим вопросом практически никто не занимается. С нетерпением жду продолжения!
This is so fabulous! Thank you so much Dr Bushkova ❤
Very good information- I used to "anchor" my thumb against the side of the neck so that I could "pull" the other side of my hand against the neck on the other side to position my fingers over the fingerboard- very painful- the muscle in my forearm would pop out and my hand position would never stay in place (I could barely move any of my fingers and forget getting my middle second finger into a low 2 position).. These stretches will be a more subtle way of getting there. Thank-you
Thank you for the video. Very informative and educational.
Wow! Excellent questions and informative physical therapist! Issues I had as a child (eg, intense pain at base of thumb) I outgrew probably by relaxing hand, but the info here is enlightening. I have always been able to voluntarily lock the final joint of left pointer finger but it has never interfered w playing, fortunately. Love the explanations of muscle dynamics.
So VERY helpful! Thank you!
I am an an adult player who picked up the violin about six years ago. My biggest problem is that collapsing pinky problem, both on the left and right hand, though the left hand causes the greatest problems. You stated you “trained” your left pinky to maintain the arch. I can do that in very slow playing but it goes right back to locking up when I speed up. What can I do to “retrain” it so that it will not lock down even on faster playing. I’ve done quite a lot of strengthening exercises (like the clothes pin one and the finger strengthening gizmo), and the string tapping with the arched pinky. Nothing seems to remedy this. I was thrilled to see an violin teacher who actually struggled with this problem herself and overcame it and I hope being older myself will not be an impediment to overcoming this. I find the problem quite limiting. My pinky on the right hand locks too and I’m sure affects my getting the best bowing possible.
Exercises and suggestions for both pinkies would be most appreciated. Do you do online lessons? I would be willing to get a few private lessons on this. Thank you so much.
as a guitarist I am used to have the thumb opposite of the middle finger tu be able to balance the power all the fingers need to apply to press the strings behind the frets. guitar strings can have a lot of tensiin.
for me playing violin is very nice, not needing so much power! I love it! Learning it in my fifties now... 💜❤️
Thank You very much for the super helpful exercises!!!! Great! 🙏🙏🙏💐
8 months into my violin journey, as an adult learner with some music and piano background, I found that I was hitting many of the problems Prof. Bushkova has been highlighting in her video, i.e. a forearm that would not turn as much as I wished and a flat left pinky when I reach too far. I assumed that years of Czerny's agility school and Hanon would pay off, yet my left hand seemed oddly frozen on the neck of the violin. These videos have started me thinking about the health of my wrist, arm and hand, and the exercises are extremely useful. I did find a few more tidbits, sharing my experience with my friend, a respected physical therapist. Here's what I found: 1) the long muscles that operate the forearm have attachment points on either side of the elbow joint. Deep massages, even for a few minutes, freed that joint, allowing me to rotate in my forearm in ways I was not able to do before. So that is now part of my warmups. and 2) Many pinky exercises that require it to press against the thumb, through putty, a ball, etc may not be great for beginners, because their muscles on that side of the hand are still weak and the entire side of the hand can collapse if they push too hard. Instead, I am using a relatively soft gel-filled hand therapy ball, and run the usual opposition exercises on fingers 1,and 2. For fingers 3 and 4, I place the ball on my thigh, rest the pinky side of my hand, rounded, on top of the ball, and run the finger press exercise in this much more supported position, that prevents any part of my hand from collapsing. I get to build the muscles, without also building unhelpful stretches. Placing the ball on a stable surface also allows me to stabilize the movement and isolate the movement at the base of my fingers, without collapse. The thigh is lower than a table, preventing carpal tunnel surprises from the repetitive exercises. Hope this helps! (I'm also curious if if you think that some staple piano agility exercises would be helpful for the violin as well.... Playing Hanon is part of my warmups for violin practice, and running through some easy repertoire seems to help with cool-downs at the end of practice. I was raised with the idea that playing violin "ruins" your hands for the piano, and now that I finally started, I just don't see how one would hurt the other. I find the opposite is true - I'm better at both ...)
I thank you for your insightful comment!
great!
This interview is awesome! Coming at such a convenient time as I was just looking into why I’ve been having shooting nerve pain in my fingertips. Looking forward to more of these.
There will be nothing about the shooting nerve pain in the videos, but I am very familiar with the problem can tell you that, depending on the hours of practicing and your age, there may be different causes for that. Usually, it goes away on its own.
@@ViolinClassUSA I’ve actually been having a similar issue over the last 6 years (24 years old) and it’s put my performance career in jeopardy. Is there any way I could learn more about it? I’ve been to every doctor I can think of and they’ve so far been no help. It’s a recurring pain in specific fingertips that stays for days then always returns after a month or two more of playing.
Great video. I see that it is part 1 of hopefully more videos, so I was hoping for possible information on a wrist that feels heavy and sluggish. I've been struggling with this problem for along time and don't know what is causing it despite searching online. Any insight is appreciated, thank you again for this video!
Thank you! This video came at just the right time because I've been experiencing shooting pains in my left wrist from tendinitis. I've had to stop playing now for months!!! That is terrible for maintaining technique. I've played violin all my life and suddenly develop left-wrist tendinitis. WHY? Please have more videos like this.
Thank you very much Prof Jullia for sharing us a wonderful video specially to me because iam going throught great difficulty with my left hand which presses on the violin neck with a great pressure between the thumb and foreigner and i can not control it, i underwent a number of physical therapy sessions unfortunately it doesn't fixed the problem so I wish if I could contact this Doctor please.
Really useful - thank you!
So thankfull! Very interesting! There are also a lot of shoulder issues, do you intend to do a video with a shoulder specialist in the future? Txs
Omg this comes so in handy right now!! I just recovered from thumb contracture and I'm kinda scared to mess it up again 😭
I broke my left wrist several years ago and now have a somewhat limited amount of flexibility with wrist rotation. The exercises are very useful, looking forward to seeing if they help! Thank you!!
I hope you go see a physical therapist or hand occupational therapist. I also broke my wrist and lived with the thought that it was reset poorly and i have to just learn to live and play through a stiff wrist. The other day, I shared my struggle with a friend who is a physical therapist. She took one look at my visibly asymmetrical wrists and within *minutes*, she had my hand unlocked with a few simple exercises and massages to mobilize the muscles. Asymmetry, stiffness -- all gone! Turns out the bones are fine, but the muscle trauma from months of immobilization after the break had not been properly addressed and I lived like this for the last 20 years. That forearm turn Prof. Bushkova is talking about is now doable for me, after just a few minutes of warm up before each practice. PT is magical! Please give it a try!
Hello Julia Bushkova, very nice that you uploaded such a nice, professional video. For me the 2.point (mallet finger) is very interesting, but it would be nice to get more detailed information of the specific medical reasons about such a deformity, what exactly happens in the muscels and joints, that it comes to that collapsing knuckle. And how did you learn to fix it? My knuckle isnt just collapsing too, also it is stucking. In the moment I practise wiggling the last knuckle up and down. What did you do?
Best regards! :)
Thank you so much. It s is so important.
Glad it was helpful!
would love to hear information about muscle memory. I was coached about shifting positions by use of "bumping" the wrist during shifting and moving finger to quickly adjust for intonation. Is there a good way to improve this memory to help improve intonation when shifting with more comfort? I think this is a problem for older players, since we've been doing it wrong for so long. Thank you. One of the most interesting videos on this topic!!
Hola. Isaac Perlman habló de mi en un vídeo. Dijo, que cuando un violinista común, alcanza un buen sonido, ya está más cerca del arpa que de dar un concierto solista!!!
Saludos desde Rocha Uruguay
Good info
Please, we want you to add Arabic subtitles to all your wonderful videos 🌹🌹
I wish I could provide them! I do not know if there is a way to do it, since I do not know Arabic!
Interesting video! But I have a query regarding violinists. Can a professional violinist do workouts? Does lifting heavy weights on a regular basis affect the quality of sound produced from the violin?
A professional violinist absolutely should work out. One does not have to left very heavy weights to be in a goo physical condition. But lifting moderate weights is very much OK.
@@ViolinClassUSA Yes . But I've heard "too much muscle makes your tone less fluid" . Is it just a rumor?
@@deveshgupta8655 search the channel of Tobiah Murphy here and you see, there is no problem. He has a lot of muscles and is a very good, professional violinist. :D
I have a problem wd my pinky(( I play the violin.. n my pinky is short and never stays round, it falls wd click n pain..and fingers get numb.. doctor said to take rest.. but it never helps and I need to work :((( any suggestion?
What is wd?
@@ViolinClassUSA sorry, its "with" is a short form commonly used.. I should type properly 🙏
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