Supervillain Origins: Mr. Freeze
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- Supervillain Origins of Mr. Freeze
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Originally introduced as Mr. Zero, this Batman villain was once a one-dimensional and ruthless villain that used his knowledge of cryogenics to achieve wealth. After several decades, he has undergone much change, transforming the cold blooded criminal into one of the most popular and sympathetic of The Dark Knight’s foes. Join www.WatchMojo.com as we explore the comic book origins of Mr. Freeze.
Batman: You've endangered lives all over the city. Nora would never have wanted this.
Mr. Freeze: No, what she wants is to live a long life under the warmth of the sun...her hand in mine. But because of him, she'll only feel the icy touch of a man whose emotions run as cold as the blood in his veins!
Razh 80 For sure
Arkham origins!
DarkPaladin24, DAMN, dude !
And now, your blood runs as cold as mine.
arkham origins reference nice
Mr. Freeze was always my favorite Batman villain, entirely due to the awesome rendition in Batman the Animated Series. Well before they changed art styles and gave him a detachable mobile head, that was stupid. Villains are so much more interesting when you understand and sympathize with them. I think that introductory episode with Freeze won an emmy back when it came out.
"To never again walk on a summer's day, with a hot wind in your face, and a warm hand to hold. Oh, yes. I'd kill for that."
Some villains however are better with a mysterious past. For example making a new scars story everyday so you dont know which is true. ;)
Xanegoh both sad and horrifying, keeping that creepy monotone voice.
***** I find that to be just stupid..tho with wolverine it work when his mind was messed up so badly that u no one could say what was true and what wasnt, and visiting in that old lab where was those memory making studios where just small details were changed with every subject, messed up even more, tho also giving him hope that happiest memories might actually be true.
Mr freeze is my favorite supervillain
Out of all the Batman villains, Mr. Freeze is the one I feel sorry for the most. Guy never got a break. His parents disowned him because all he wanted was to save animal lives. He was married but that happiness ended quickly because she got ill and Fries tried to save her but businessmen threatened to pull the plug and he got in to an accident surviving only in sub-zero temperatures. His body deteriorated leaving him nothing but a head. More businessmen betrayed him in Batman Beyond. His last words before he died were "Believe me, you're the only one who cares." Terry McGinnis was the only one who cared for him. Bruce Wayne cared for him too, but Terry knew Fries could redeem himself and he did.
i agree 110%, victor is only a desperate man trying everything to develop a cure for his wife, but in all honesty, how can they still be together if nora is cured, victor can only survive in sub zero temperatures, that will only add more pain
What say you to those who point out his criminal actions, in spite of his sympathetic character
so true
Another sad villain is two face
@@shetbetch5286 and in some ways joker. I feel bad for more than just them tho
It really pisses me off that the New 52 changed his back story from a sympathetic villain, to just another psychopath.
I had no idea they'd go so far as to butcher such a strong character by making him some run-of-the-mill thug.
I have a feeling most Batman fans aren't happy with that choice either.
Some of this new 52 stuff is a big whiff. Look at Lobo.
Sam Markie
Had to look it up. They really did butcher him. They nearly literally tore him apart into two characters!
Well the 2nd one was added in because of the humongous fan outrage.
Sam Markie
Blame Rob Liefeld. He's probably the worst comic book artist/writer in history.
He is a villain driven only by his love for his wife and commits crime in hopes to save her.... man, harsh stuff.
TheRealDboy so true
Paints a different picture on how villains are viewed.
Not in Gotham
Mr. Freeze is probably the one villain who is respected the most
***** When it comes to Mr. Freeze there is always a method to the madness
***** Victor Fries biggest weakness isn't his obsession with curing Nora or requiring subzero temperatures to survive. It's that, as the years pass, his humanity degrades. Leaving only cold logic and bitterness.
That, and the glass jar on his head. You'd think a super genius like him would learn to wear a fucking helmet. lol
I think Mr. Freeze is a criminally underrated villain... if you wanna call him that. He reminds me of Sandman. He's not inherently evil, he's just doing whatever he has to in order to achieve his goals. Easily one of my favourites and yes, even Ah-nold's portrayal of him makes me giggle. Loved the hell out of him in Arkham City!
Awww. He was just a guy trying to keep his love alive. He's not a villain.
No for godsake no he’s a anti hero he wishes to accomplish good in his case through whatever means necessary his wife’s diasese which is basically lung cancer imagine the lives that could be saved
Read New 52s and you'll learn a different story
@@jdrebellove7460 No that isn't canon,Mr.Freeze is and will always be a sympathetic villain,end of story.
@@carnage1284 Umm continuity changes so much that canon really just doesn't play a part anymore. Anything from different rebooted continuities can become canon or retconned. One minute Wally or Iris West is white then black then white then a doppelganger. Superman's origin gets changed over and over again, the Joker was either a family man turned criminal or was always a criminal with a dark childhood. It doesn't even matter
@@jdrebellove7460Let’s just say we don’t talk about that horrible take on the character. That’s the wrong earth
Rest In Peace Michael Ansara. The voice of Mr. Freeze. He passed away in 2013 at the age of 91. He even has a Hollywood star
😢
This guy has always been one of my top batman villains. as a kid, the joker was my absolute favorite but now i think i'm leaning more towards freeze.
Freeze was always one of my favourite villaíns in Batman, and is the only Batman villain figure I even have.
Hes probably the most bad ass of the Batman villains. He doesnt take any shit haha. Hes like a damn machine
A warm breeze on a summer day......Oh yes.....I'd kill for that.
These youngstaz don't know nothin' bout that line...
@@horacelilbigbrother9215I do :)
I watched the animated series
Imagine what _Batman & Robin_ would have been like if they portrayed Mr. Freeze the same way they did in _Batman The Animated Series_.
Imagine if they did everything the way it was portrayed in the animated series.
My God...do you know what that would mean!?!?
...the movie would be good...
jd johnson watch sub zero...
Then it will be better than overrated dark knight
In a way they did portray him as the cartoon they decided to mix up both stories
when I watch the animated series, where he's trying to get revenge on the man who pulled the plug on his wife's cure, made me cry at the end, just by listening to his heartbreaking speech to his wife while he sits in his cell at Arkham Asylum...
me too:(
PapaGeorg10 Yes, they were. I always talk about what a great cartoon lineup Fox had back in the 1990s.
You know I kinda feel for Freeze. I mean if my wife (correction if I had one XD) was dying and I had to freeze her to save her and find a cure. I would turn to crime just as soon as he did. Besides, I feel like he could be villain I could reason with (unlike the Joker). He kinda reminds me of Magneto because they both have a reasonable cause to do what they do. Heck I wouldn't even call Magneto's cause villainous (then again I have only seen 1 of the X-men movies, but I still know a lot about him). Freeze is literally in the wrong spot at the wrong time and I think almost every man on earth would do what he is doing to save his wife.
I agree
Man when compared to each other, the 90s animated series was awesome. Some of the best Batman ever. I thought it might just be nostalgia blinders, but it holds up.
He kills people so that he could cling on to that small sliver of hope that he could save her.
Thats called selfishness, regardless if she is important to him or not.
Me too!
Like Baxter Stockman, I kind of feel Victor Fries got a bad deal. His boss, Ferris Boyle had it coming to him, though.
i hate straight up villians without motivation. Villains may be the bad guys, but that doesn't mean they aren't characters too. I need to feel some sort of emotion towards a character otherwise they are worthless, and whats the point of watching the good guy win if i felt nothing for the villain?
Still get choked up listening to the Heart of Ice score.
Mr. Freeze is such a complex character I just can't wrap my mind on him. He's really not a ciminal, he only has one thing that brings him happiness...Nora Fries everything else in his life is nothing but pain and suffering.
He's a "the end justifies the means" man in which I can't really blame him...so here os the dilema.. On one hand I understand and justify his actions but on the other I undersstand his ways are wrong.
I heard they changed his background in the new 52 which that's a shame. Not all the villains have to get evil.
They CHANGED WHAT?!? (looks up) OHMYFREAKING GOSH ARE THEY FREAKING SERIOUS!!! NO DC!!!! NO!!!!
I agree, I mean in reality he just wants his love of his life to be alive and well again. I can't blame him since if I lost someone that dear to me knowing I can possibly save them, I too would do everything to save that person. Though one thing I just realized, why doesn't he just made a suit for Nora to keep her alive or is there something I'm missing that would make that impossible?
GaarasIchibi88
She's frozen not to keep her alive, but to stop a disease she has from progressing. He's keeping her frozen until he can find a cure for her.
you heard right. sadly the new 52 mr. freeze isn't as sympathetic
Wolf Wyvern
Which is the problem! DC doesn't get it, Batman villains are known for being characters that people feel sorry for.
I will say, I like The New 52 version of Scarecrow's story better, though. I liked his old one, but his new one is better. I like the idea that he started off with his Father's research rather than starting from scratch.
I loved Mr Freeze in Batman TAS because he was a tragic villain who only wanted to cure his wife . Michael Ansara gave the character life and a voice to remember in Batman TAS :)
Has there ever been a time where he did save his wife and was no longer a villian?
Mr Freeze is the only villain I feel sad for
Mr. Freeze is not a bad guy..
Mmmorshu no, he's just made out to be that way
if you think about it, Mr Freeze is actually the Nice guy here, he just want to save what he see beautiful by freezing them to make them last forever (yes, I know that is wrong but in Victor mind it just seem the right thing to do).
Victor's heart was in the right place at least. The problem was the unloving environment he grew up in. He kinda never learned about basic human emotions like empathy and love until Nora, since she was the first person to ever show him love.
YES! I'm so glad someone remembers the awesomeness that was Mr. Freeze in Arkham City. Seriously, Mauriche Lamarche did a hell of a job!
Truly one of the most sympathetic characters of The Batman franchise. Also one of my favorite villains of all time. Under that armor and new body that he had got, he still has a heart for his beloved Nora. You could say he has a "Heart of Ice".
Mr. Freeze is number of my top 5 favourite Batman villains. He's very sympathetic and relatable of the Bat's foes. He's my absolute favourite.
that last clip just gives me goosebumps! I love Mister Freeze mostly because he actually has a reason for doing what he is doing (unlike villains such as Joker) He just wants to save his wife, the one person who shows him love. And also in the animated Subzero movie he cares for an orphaned child while in Antarctica. He isn't all bad, there is still hope:)
Mr. Freeze makes me so sad...poor guy...
he's always been my fav batman villain, simply because he was willing to do whatever it took for his wife. if that's not true love i don't know what is. also on a side note, I really liked his incarnation in the Batman Beyond series, a really unique take on his suit/abilities
I absolutely loved the ending they gave Mr. Freeze in Batman Beyond.
Maurice Lamarche has the best voice for Mr Freeze
James Ramirez Yes and the late Michael Ansara
I also found that the Batman: return to Arkham series portrayed Mr. Freeze really well. 'Nothing else matters, you understand? Nothing but my Nora!'
I feel sorry for the guy not only for his wife but for his role in that god awful movie
I had batman and mr. freeze subzero, one of the best movies I've seen and has made this villain one of my favorites in the dc universe
he redeemed himself in the end of the movie though. the last scene with batman and victor is the best scene, very reminiscent to the animated series.
Yeah I feel bad for him.
His cold story almost made me cry,while it froze my heart and while my mind froze with sadness.
Had the movie growing up and I always felt sorry for him. The ending is so bitter sweet it makes me shed a tear every time.
I know I'm probably gonna get flamed for saying this, but... here goes... I think Arnold Schwarzenegger had the potential to be a great Mister Freeze. I think he was a victim of bad direction and bad script writing. If he'd played Mister Freeze more like he played T-800, it could have been an awesome portrayal.
Agreed.
AngelKay7 Yeah. It wasn't his fault
AngelKay7 I agree I never I always I think the way the film was written was really to blame not Arnold Schwarzenegger who really just playing it the way it appeared in the script. If Mr Freeze was written as the awesome character we know him as he probably would have been better. no flaming here lol
In my opinion, Arnold Schwarzenegger's Portrayal of Freeze was pretty much the only saving grace to Batman and Robin!
Actually no.It was Michael Goph who played Alfred Pennyworth
Nope the ONLY saving grace for that movie was Alicia Silverstone in a form fitting rubber suit :)
xavierprotocols Nah,that didn't make me beat my meat.
I enjoyed learning about Mr. Freeze's formative years and how he would literally freeze animals he loved in the hope that they would somehow be saved from death albeit a slightly demented but also strangely altruistic theory. Mr. Freeze is by far one of the most interesting of Batman's villains because of his love for his wife Nora who is ultimately his fundamental reason for becoming a Super-villain initially. When you look at the symbolic relationship that exists between Mr. Freeze and his wife there are many subtle and explicit commonalities and ironic twists they share. Mr. Freeze and Nora in order to exist both require temperatures below 0 degrees Fahrenheit is a fact explicitly stated throughout the mythology of Mr. Freeze but while Nora suffers from a debilitating disease, Mr. Freeze is essentially biologically mutated into a being that requires a sub zero environment to survive. Considering that "normal" humans require an internal body temp. of 98.6 Fahrenheit to survive it can somewhat be assumed that Mr. Freeze is technically dead yet is still somehow animate unlike his wife who remain inanimate like a doll or figurine inside a snow-globe. The most ironic and sad aspect of Mr. Freeze's state is that even if he were to find the cure for his wife's disease, un-"thaw"? her and then cure her he would never be able to really touch his wife because of the subzero state he exists within. Mr. Freeze will never be able to feel the touch of his wife's "warm hand" because he is literally and emotionally cold at heart. He cannot feel love or warmth yet yearns for the warmth and love of his wife Nora.
Batman: The Animated Series really made Mr. Freeze a great character. His origin story and desire to save Nora just brought another dimension to the character. Now it doesn't feel right to see Mr. Freeze portrayed any other way.
One of most underrated villians in Batman's gallery but with a tragic backstory so misunderstood
Yes
I wouldn't mind seeing Patrick Stewart as Mr freeze.
Deep down inside I could cry, despite the crimes he committed are dark he just wants to find an cure for his beautiful dying wife, respect to you Mr Freeze I would do the same thing😢😥😟
Freeze is a good man it's just he has had a hard life
I would like to see Ed Harris as mr freeze because of the raw talent would bring to the role and he’d kill it in the role
awww my heart just became butter in that last part
That episode 'Hearts of Ice' won an Emmy.
Am I the only one who felt really bad about mr.freeze in batman beyond?
Believe me, you're the only one who cares
Mr. Freeze will always be my favorite Batman character.
mister freeze is easily one of the most relatable villains in comics. seriously. one thing id like to point out is this: mister freeze is drawn like a super hero while batman is drawn like a villain. literally that's what the art says if you just look at it with no preconceptions. mr. freeze is all bright colors and circles, which for some reason are pleasing to the eye and are generally seen to be good (theres really no explanation for this other than human eyes like circles), while batman is all dark colors and black and his polygonous base shapes are triangles. which are "evil" (again, its just a human eye thing. think about it this way, if darth vader were made with circles instead of triangles, would he look nearly as evil or intimidating?)
I remember liking Mr Freeze when I was younger. I'm not into the comic scene as much as manga, but lately I've been considering getting into it more by rewatching the Batman Animated Series from the 90s. A lot of my friends love the comic scene.
Leave it to Batman the Animated series to give a villain the best backstory EVER
What about Harley Quinn?
Mahesh C Achuthanna Well yeah same goes to her as well.
What sickens me the most is because how the system works in batman's universe could not clearly see the mechanations behind such a villain turning into what he was. Give him Nora, allow him to save her, and in exchange for his crimes allow him to continue his research into saving people and his wife and working to stop crime instead of wasting funds keeping him in prison like that, and undoing the wrong he's done. My superpower would be to be a freaking lawyer in this world.
Awesome voice at 2:04
I have always considered Mr. Freeze to be among my favorite Batman villains. However, I would have not used the character in a live-action Batman movie from the 90s as Mr. Freeze started to gain popularity shortly after his debut on Batman: The Animated Series and later on in the comics.
Mercy? I'm afraid that my condition has left me cold to your please of mercy.
I'll admit it, the ending made me cry. Thanks for the video.
I also would like to vote for videos of the origins of Black Mask I & II, Mad Hatter, Killer Croc, Maxie Zeus, Lazara, Victor Zsasz.
I want to play Mr. Freeze in the movies someday but I don't want his suit to be like Arnold Schwarzenegger's I want it almost like from the animated series but live action with CGI.
Why a CGI suit when we can make the Xenomorphs and the Iron Man suit mostly practical effects? Or are you suggesting that it be a similar method to how the Iron Man suit was done?
I loved the bulky suit. They just need to make it a bit more slim.
Simular to the Iron Man suit but different.
Mr.Freeze's origin always makes me cry. I hope that some day he can be happy with Nora.
The Batman Beyond Episode with Mr Freeze being revived was the saddest Animated show I have ever seen.
I always think freeze could reform and become a hero
At the beginning I felt sorry for him, but in Subzero he just started getting on my nerves. He hates the whole world instead of his bullies and ex boss, and he's so immoral only his wive's disapproval stops him from killing everyone. He's willing to kill an innocent girl to save his wife, attempts to kill Batman countless times, and he still takes it for granted that Batman should save him from an oil rig. Get over yourself already.
"IMAGINE To never again walk on a summer's day with a hot wind on your face and a warm hand to hold: Ooooh yes, I would kill for that"
TheZombie13777 i love the idea of a warm hand but, a hot wind on my face. no
TheZombie13777
I am not moved. If people had the right to turn into psychopaths for that, then cancer patients and blinds should have already had a licence to kill.
marelicainavokado You do realize its not real? Right?
hey kenny h look up multiverse theory it isreal somewhere just not in this universe
Mr. Freeze in The BatMan series looked badass to me. The way they made him look was cool, his creepy voice, and shooting his ice out of his hands. After watching this, I realized that they changed his origins around in the series, but he's still cool.
Mr freeze is the most depressing villian and hero ever
This is why I love the animated series. They gave Mr. Freeze such a compelling soul. If they wrote him for the big screen as great as they did in the animated series, I bet whoever played Mr. Freeze on film would be Oscar-worthy.
They should have changed his name to dr.freeze because he is technically a doctor
MrRiddler6
I agree it sounds waaaaay cooler.
MrRiddler6 nah
Always been my favorite DC villain.
I like mr freeze and all, and I know he's like a supergenius, but making your suit to be powered by DIAMONDS? Why can't it run on like.....cooking oil or something?
That was Batman and Robin. That doesn't exist anymore. It never happened.
because Joel Schumacher's Gotham is powered by glowsticks and neon paint.
Max X you don't know me, we haven't actually spoken, and your first inclination is to pick a fight and end it in one comment? Nice. Nolan isn't a god, so don't try to guess my thoughts. TDK and TDKR are good but both have a bunch of plot holes. I definitely feel like the latter was rushed and neither give Batman much screentime or character development. However, I think you may be the first person to passionately defend Batman and Robin. Congratulations? I'm sorry if I hurt you as you clearly seem to care about the film.
I feel so sorry for that inflation Mr. Freeze's character suffered because of "Batman & Robin" - isn't that also the reason why they published "Subzero" straightly on VHS? A tragedy makes a monster of a scientist, who wanted nothing but to love his wife...
i kinda feel sorry for him
He is not a crazy, just a man on a genius level with a horrible accident, plus he would do anything to save his wife, really, this man is more realistic in his motives, more caring than most villains, a tragic state of mind, depression and worry fuel his criminal acts...
I actually feel kind of bad for him
Awesome video :D Mr. Freeze was always my favorite comic book villain and I actually really liked Arnie's portrayal of him :)
So this guy is stuck between good and evil. (mostly evil.)
I'd say he's neutral, by which I mean he only does the bad things he does like say robbing banks in order to find a cure for his wife's disease.
Arnold Schwarzenegger was over the top in Batman and Robin but to be fair in some scenes he's was still put a very heart pulling moments when he watch and remember his life with his wife.
You know,batman and mister freeze are kinda simillar...both of their motives are TECHNICALLY vengence(batman with joe chill,mr freeze with that....guy)but i think Mr Freeze lacks what baman has.....company!Bruce has had Alfred by his side telling him what's right and wrong all his life....Victor was alone!
TheKalluto I bet that Batman would have ended killing the villains if he didn´t had Alfred and Gordon.
TheKalluto Ferris Boyle you call him.
yeah all of batman's villains have character traits that are common with batman. thats why he has the best rogue gallery
Freeze isn't the Villain , he's suffering for what did wrong, knowing that he's isn't the villain, he's a victim of a tragedy
What killed the dinosaurs?
THE ICE AGE!!!!!!!
What kill the ice age
Aids
***** A BAT CREDIT CARD!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Mr. Freeze is one of my favorites because we've all been there where we go as far if you believe in god anyway begging god to spare your loved ones from death
Mr.Freeze isnt really a villian, he was just trying to bring his wife back to life like any normal person would, but got caught, authority didnt like what he was doing, so they tried to unplug her, and thats when he got mad and became a villian. Its not his fault, its athorities fault for making him mad.
***** cool :)
+Kinina Descheuquette No wonder why many people turn evil. They get mad after feeling rejected.
I swear that Batman TAS episode nearly gets me teary eyed every time
hes kind of like a dc doctor octopus
Thank you for taking my request!
LETS KICK SOME ICE!
I like the version of Mr. Freeze that was used in the series "The Batman", that version seemed much more villainous & less sympathetic, & he didn't seem to be so vulnerable to temperatures above freezing & had the mutant power to constantly produce ice from his body, so he needed the special suit to help him better control his power & blast freeze rays from his hands so he used it to freeze anything in his path, steal diamonds just because they're also known as "ICE" & try to concur Gotham City.
anyone watch Gotham Tonight? I think Mr. Freeze shows up
+Douglas Brown thats why im here, and yes he did
I found that Mr Freeze is an excellent tribute to Micheal Ansara
Bruce Wayne's a bit of a dick. Think of it: if he gave Mr. Freeze the money to unfreeze and cure his wife, or developed technology to do as such, then Freeze wouldn't have a need to do all the stuff he does. One less 'villain', many lives saved and possibly an ally or at least friend for the future. But nope, Batty needs new 'rangs :P
What are you talking about? He did exact same thing in BTAS-TNBA. Do you think Freeze stopped being villain? No.
Neither of those shows are considered canonical in the comics. The comics have taken inspiration from them, but not direct enough material to consider the plots canonical.
Also, he showed humanity when Nora was saved. It wasn't long-lived, but it was enough to prove that all he wanted was funding so that Nora could return to him healthy.
Finally, in TNBA, he stopped being a villain in the end...
Three different actors played Mr. Freeze in the 1960's Batman TV show.
1. George Sanders
2. Otto Preminger
3. Eli Wallach
Such a sad story give this man a hug a very warm hug
He never asked for this he just want's to be with the only woman that love him to be at peace ❄️🌹❤️
one of the many reasons I love Batman the Animated Series was the episode where they had mr. freeze and his deep relationship with his wife it made me feel very very bad that he couldn't bring back his wife but he so desperately wanted to and that was a main reason why I love the cartoon because it made us feel sorrow and pity for Victor freeze and it wasn't until probably I was 10 that when I saw Batman and mr. freeze that it made me cry because he was still trying to bring back his wife
The animated series along with spiderman back in the day were the best moments in my childhood
Made even more sad by the fact that seemingly everyone who has the money and resources to help him has ended up stabbing him in the back, making him that much more driven by vengeance
BtAS will always be the best. No only did they make Freeze, Twoface, and Ivy sympathetical...They made the Mad Hatter matter at all, and also sympathetical. Also gave us Harley, which is usually a plus.
Arnold's interpretation of the character seems wrong in many ways. Not just because of the puns, but also because of his big figure. He doesn't signal any pain for his own fate, nor for his beloved's fate. Instead of being tormented by his mutation, he just seems to embrace it. TAS has a much better portrayal of the brokenhearted and brilliant villain.
mister freeze also made a return in an episode of batman beyond. i won't spoil the episode, but it is a good episode seeing what it could have been, but will never be for him.
batman tas really is great, they made C-List characters like freeze really interesting
"how can you treat people like this"
"its the way they've always tretated me"
that is relatable
Mr. Freeze was always my favorite Batman villain as a kid. I still love him.
Fun fact!: He originally got the name Mr. Freeze in the Adam West Batman show. When the show ended Mr. Zero name was changed to Mr. Freeze in Detective Comics #373. They even have Robin mention that the name sounded like something from a campy action show.
you guys forgot the "Batman Beyond" story that was expanded upon....over the years of being in arkham asylum, mr.freeze was reduced to a mear frozen head when he was released. wayne industry cloned him a new body so he can live a normal life. but he was mainly suicidal until terry came and talked him out of it.
I liked Arnold Schwarzenegger's performance :) He was chilling (not meant to be a pun), funny, and sympathetic. He and the Sandman (Spider-Man 3, even if he may have been emo to the point of being boring) are the best comic book ant-heroes/or anti-villains in cinema.