Beyond Skyrim: Bruma // An In-Depth Review... 6 Years Late ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- This mod is ancient by internet standards but I still made a feature length analysis.
CHAPTERS:
00:00:00 Foreword
00:02:55 1.1 Going Beyond
00:06:40 1.2 Stormcloak in Chains
00:10:41 1.3 County Bruma
00:19:24 1.4 Fan Service
00:28:24 2.1 Quests Part 1
00:36:44 2.2 Quests Part 2
00:42:11 2.3 Quests Part 3
00:53:08 2.4 Dungeons
00:57:28 3.0 "Main" Quests
01:09:49 Wrapping Things Up
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The Beyond Skyrim website, in case you feel like checking out their other projects: beyondskyrim.org/ 
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Hey there! I'm one of the QA folks from Beyond Skyrim Cyrodiil. Thank you for your review, I truly appreciate it. I haven't finished the full video yet so I will only comment on what I've watched so far.
We'll have some more of those non linear dungeons in the full Cyrodiil release but hopefully they'll feel much more intuitive than what you saw in Bruma, since the confusing layouts were a pretty common feedback that we got from players. We actually even reworked one of the Bruma dungeons, Toadstool Hollow, in one of our updates because it was even worse than Serpent's Trail. I also had no idea about the overly high skill checks in the Fort Pale Pass quest. Bruma stuff was worked on well before myself and I believe any of our current QA members even joined the team, but I'll make it a point to pass this along to the overall dev team and see what can be done. I will say that skill checks are always a weird balancing act because they rely heavily on player progression and with a mod like ours that means some players will either try getting there as soon as possible or will be going there as end game content in their modlist. Regardless I'll see if we can't come up with something more reasonable.
As for where I've stopped now in the video, I will say that the whole saint worship thing weirded me out as well when I first played the mod but as I explored the lore more I came to realize that the writers decision was ultimately well grounded in TES lore. It turns out that in TES there's little difference between dulia (reverence) and latria (worship). Nibenay is described as having thousands of cults where villages will often times worship saints like Morihaus far more than the pantheon of the divines, even if they nominally recognize them as being more important, i.e being Gods, for example. Likewise in Morrowind, there is a communion of saints, which much like their imperial counterparts are seen as models of virtue but are also worshipped (despite being recognized as lesser than the Tribunal/Reclamations), and even have shrines and shrine blessings that can be received by the player character in TES 3.
I was being a bit hyperbolic during the Martin segment. It's not downright offensive, it just sticks out in a weird way that doesn't mesh with any of the other world building elements in the town.
If it was meant to be there for comic relief they should have just gone balls to the wall and turned all the priests into Sean Bean obsessed Tumblr fan girls. That would have been funny, all be it not exactly lore friendly.
Anyway, I'm glad this video has gotten back to the team so quickly. I still think what you guys are doing is a true work of passion and wish you all the best of luck on future projects.
@@Kwezco Why would it be meant as comic relief? It is like worshipping Saint Alessia, something the Imperials would definitely do, and now that Talos is banned, worshipping the man who turned into a dragon avatar and saved the realm seems pretty realistic as a worship choice in his place. Chim is a thing too, so there is also a precedent for obtaining godhood, or something close to it.
21:36 that's the point. Martin is supposed to be a way for the priests to worship Talos without worshipping him, like a loophole in the agreement between the Empire and the Aldmeri dominion
Saints in the Elder Scrolls do have a larger influence than in christianity, there is Saint Alessia who was a saint but was also worshipped as a prophet by the Alessian order, Tiber Septim was worshipped as a saint before his apotheosis and in Morrowind you can find plenty of shrines for saints and even their gods ended up becoming saints. I haven't played Beyond Skyrim, So I don't know how fanservice-y they get, but it does make sense they would have to repurpose the Chapel of Talos after the war.
Saints do get recognized like divines in some areas. Phynaster, Nerevar, and Leki (for high elves, dark elves, and redguards respectively) are all revered and worshipped beings despite not being gods, and that's just some examples. It also reminds me of the Thief series and the Hammerites which did have churches dedicated to Saints. Thief being a major influence on TES. I did think the Martin church stuff was a little much, but I'm just not sure what to do about it. I mean the church can't be dedicated to Talos, shouldn't be dedicated to another god as that'd be redundant, and is way too prominent to be left abandoned. It was either gonna be Martin or the Champion.
The Synod and Whispers being...underwhelming, is probably because more is/was planned with the two. This was probably thought as important as a recommendation quest in Oblivion.
Funny thing about the Renod quest, it's just a more involved version of a Vanilla quest. Lurbuk in Morthal is also a terrible bard and apparently many, many people contracted the Dark Brotherhood to kill him. Even his dad is happy if he dies.
Technically if you spare Erandur in the Vaermina quest you get him as a follower, and unlike most he actually has quite a bit to say in your travels. So in a way the reward is unique either way. The downside is he's kind of annoying lol.
The only thing about the cutters I remember is that they make up half the bandit population. They attack you on the road often and kill random npcs (spawned to be killed by the cutters), which I guess is like Dawnguard's vampires only less annoying.
Oh no I have watched all your content now. I hope everything is going okay! This has been an enjoyable week of consuming your effort.
One moment. Surilaron wasn't resurrected by the Synod. Most likely it's BS Cyrodiil major antagonist's work, so he serves as a teaser for the greater story.
I got the impression it was the synod but it's it's my failing that I never looked it up to see if that was the case.
Reanimating ancient liches is probably not something the synod would do
The prison break thing did not happen to me at all. I just left it and came back later. So clearly it was a bug, also considering what the dialogue options actually say. And I have done it multiple times.
Haven't seen anyone else do a decent deep-dive into beyond skyrim, excited to watch
I like your editing and work you put into your video. keep it up
Saint Alessia isn't a divine but people revered and worshipped her all the same.
man this is some good stuff, you should take a look at Morrowind’s Tamriel Rebuilt (and the various other mods like the Skyrim Home of the Nords and Province Cyrodiil) if you haven’t already. Specifically Ebonheart’s Thieves Guild quest line TR has the most interesting quests i’ve played in a Bethesda game, not to mention the city itself is staggeringly dense with content.
I played through Tamriel Rebuilt before and spent probably a dozen hours just wandering around the mainland before I realised there were actually questlines integrated into the factions. Still had fun just going from place to place doing random side quests. I'll have to go back and try the guilds at at some point
The best part of this mod, for me, is the music. Its my favourite music from any mod, definitely feels on par with the quality of the base game's music.
I would love to see more mod reviews. Even if they're more passion than technical or skill, I really can't be mad at most of them.
i cannot actively consume this particular content as i keep telling myself i will play through the mod myself, but i'm a great enjoyer of your other long-form videos, so i will play this while i sleep for the sweet stats
edit: i watched it anyway
I quite like the deep dive you've done here, I know a lot of people seemed to be almost worried to criticize the mod when it did things poorly. I enjoyed Bruma, but it was good to see some of the negatives have some light shined upon them. I've certainly come across a new channel to enjoy and I really encourage you to keep this content up. I know there is some other content for games I'd love to see your opinions on.
Honestly, a better way that they could’ve handled the Chapel of Sean Bean with very little additional effort would’ve been if they mentioned off hand in an extra dialogue that the building was renamed after him shortly after Talos worship was banned as a not so subtle slight against the Aldmeri Dominion and the White Gold Concordant.
They kind of hinted at it with some of the dialogue already present, but if they just had it explicitly stated either in dialogue or in some historical book on Bruma that probably would’ve been better as opposed to the Sean Bean worship.
It's unfinished so all your complaints are valid. Looking forward to more reviews in the future! Fun to listen to.
here for the first time
got surpriced nicely by the editing fairy
Some good comments and critiques, but also a few that don't make sense (to me), or where you missed stuff.
Example of the former: you dislike linear dungeons (as do we all), but then complain you get lost in a non-linear one?? Getting lost is a very RPG experience.
Example of the latter: the Adius questline is not supposed to end there, a future release of Beyond Skyrim will pick up on it. Or at least I always assumed so, that's why you can't intervene in his abduction.
How curious hmmm yes i am pondering
Most of the way through and Ngl its confusing to understand what it is you want out of the mod. You criticize it pretty harshly for being too "nostalgic" but then when they do something unusual or new you also hate that and accuse it of being dumb or silly and make fun of the voice actors for any new lore they do try to explain :/
Also nostalgia bait only matters in terms of a corporation trying to advertise to you. There is absolutely nothing wrong or "not artistic" with a mod designed around revisiting the land we experienced in Oblivion having nostalgia in it and most people would be VERY upset if those nostalgic revists werent available! Youre absolutely in the minority there i have literally never heard anyone else be anything but excited to see things like Frostcrag Spire again
I wish I had dedicated more time to the things I like about this mod rather than my complaints, but at the time of making I was just rushing to get another lengthy video out. Honestly not a very fair review, I'd like to revit it some day. Maybe once the second map is out. 😔
@@Kwezco lol I figure so, I was sitting there like "how can someone who played Battlespire and Redguard dislike this so much? It's more classic Bethesda than current Bethesda is!"
I hope that if anything, the audio quality is slowly becoming more and more passable with each upload
Is it still compatible with the current version of Skyrim AE? all other videos are 6 years old.
Should be. Usually it's only script extender DLLs the get messed up between updates
@@Kwezco thanks for the reply
I'm just gonna waiting of Beyond Skyrim Cyrodill i want the Whole Cake not a piece of it cuz why not be selfish 😂.
Also they still need to optimise that Mod its resource heavy
Na MEER Ah.
I hope he fixes it
Oddly, the Bruma mod has one of the most poignant moments that I've experienced with games. Right after the serpent smuggler cave, I came out in the hills, and like you, went back towards the gate. I didn't check out the fort, but wanted to see the view from the top. As soon as I got there, Nox Atra started playing, and seeing the imperial tower, with these run down fortifications below me, I got this overwhelming sense of faded power, and the empire in ruins, barely climbing above the landscape, while the winds kicked up snow and distant fires burned on the trail near the Inn.
Was super magical and emotional, which put a lot of the rest of the mod in very sharp and unflattering contrast. Not all of it, but.
Man, no love for Dar’taqto…
Good video!
Nice !!
6 years late lmao, you dude, are a madlad. Respect.
Please do a video on elder scrolls
Blades… I’d love to see you apply the treatment you did to battlespire and Redguard to blades. Which I think is the worst elder scrolls game ever made.
I liked your video. Could you make adult mod reviews. No one does them any longer. I want to get back into Skyrim but play it in an adult way. If you can help me that would be awesome.
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You are fundamentally wrong about what this mod does, this is not a full release, this is just a taste of what's to come. For example; when you criticize Synod vs CoW, you don't realise that maybe this conflict is saved for when the actual Cyrodiil mod releases. Also i highly disagree of your opinion of Martin Septim stuff as well, we see this all the time in Old Tamriel, there is a reason Cyrodiil is also named as "land with 1000 gods"
I think it's perfectly valid to critique this mod as a "DLC sized" release given it's advertised as such on the mod page. Not to mention also being one of the most installed expansion mods for the game.
As for content that might be implemented in the future, I can only comment on what's released currently. If the Synod and Whispers are to appear in future releases I'd like to see their dynamic expanded upon. It was still one of the most intriguing parts in Bruma for me from a worldbuilding angle.
Regarding the cult of Sean Bean, I think it could have been neat idea, it just feels like it plays far to heavily on forced nostalgia and doesn't really add anything to the characterisation of the city.
@@Kwezco Let's agree to disagree then because I don't agree to either of your opinions and am thoroughly pleased with what this mod did with Martin Septim.
@@Ocean_Gaming agreed 🤝
Your a cry baby like make a RUclips channel do it yourself wait don't cause ur quality will be shiet L take take your opinion elsewhere@@Ocean_Gaming
Make a new video videoman
Perchance
@@Kwezcothought u where sucked into you’re toilet thankgod
Wish you would approach things like this with the level of respect the media requires rather than defaulting to crass cynicism and admonishment. Was very disappointed by that in the Redguard video and doubly so for this one. Only offering this criticism because the subject material you make videos on are in fact very interesting and deserving of constructive analysis
You know, in the title you put "review", not "video essay" as it should, this way i would have skipped it completely, but alas, take your dislike for making me watch this garbage, what else can we do uh?
And a happy new year to you 😌