Repent and trust in Jesus. We all deserve Hell for our sins, such as lying lusting coveting and more. We can't save ourselves, but Jesus can save us. He died on the cross to save us for our sins and rose from the grave defeating death and Hell. You must put your faith in him only. He is the only way to Heaven. Repent and trust in Jesus. Romans 6:23 John 3:16❤❤
Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased. But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help. This is a legit Roman Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit. This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.". . .
Luke 23:42-43 - And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, the theological implications of the unique circumstances and timing of your salvation and death will be scrutinized and debated for thousands of years to come."
The thing I love about this channel is that even when I fundamentally disagree with the point being made, the video is still hilarious and well worth my time.
@@JP2GiannaT Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ CHRIST alone John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus _________________________ Work of God = John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles _________________________ There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. _ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics Changed the 10 commandments by deleting 2nd commandment, and dividing the 10th into 2 commandments. Also changing the real Saturday Sabbath to fake sunday sabbath.✝️
I don't think the objection was properly addressed (except by whining). Does John 3:5 say Baptism was necessary for salvation at the time Jesus said it to Nicodemus or to a future day of Pentecost? If at the time Jesus said it, why does the Thief get a pass? (And I think I have a good answer that is better than the video: because baptism assumes the Spirit of Christ is being united with the person whereas the Thief on the Cross had Christ right there physically and spiritually. But instead of pointing this out, the video decided to go on for way too long on how their inadequate answer to the Baptist's questions causes the Baptist to repeat the question over and over again ... if Driscoll could be rightly called a Baptist!) If John 3:5 is speaking about something future after Pentecost, what is the exegetical basis?
@@barelyprotestant5365 - I'm not interested in a debate either. What I'm saying is - I appreciate all denominational beliefs and the video should have been less whiny on its insistence of making fun of those who asked the original question. To me, it actually downplayed Lutheran baptism which happens when we make fun of other's views. The strength of a view is not by how ridiculous or snarky we make out others' beliefs; it's about how strong our view stands up to the only thing it should stand up to - Scripture. I'm a Baptist. I posit that Lutherans have a modertately strong chance of making their case. John 3:5 doesn't come into play for the Lutheran for the thief on the cross because Jesus Christ, the person who operates in Baptism, is with the thief already. Therefore, the water is not necessary. (Also, God is not bound by the sacraments - but for sacredotal denominations, this is not a strong point in favor of exceptions.) Instead, the snarkiness of this cartoon went too far this time. And usually, I appreciate all Lutheran Satire, Rev Fisk, Rev Wolfmueller, Hans Fienes material.
@MyJapanHomeStyle Matthew 25:41 teaches that the eternal fire was prepared for the devil and his angels. So if it was prepared as a punishment for them, then they are not the host thereof.
@MyJapanHomeStyle I think the idea of Satan as being the host of hell derives perhaps from the cultural image of underworld gods that gentiles retained from pagan days, while the church never held the view it probably prevailed in the folk-theology of peasants. The word hell itself derives from the name of the pagan underworld of the Anglo-Saxon mythology and the goddess of the same name, Hel. It's related to the word 'hall' as in, 'hall of the slain'. In the Bible, multiple words such as 'Sheol', 'Gehenna' 'Hades' and 'Lake of Fire' are all translated to 'hell' in English translations which can confuse matters since these three terms tend to refer to different things. As for your question - as far as I've heard from other Christians, when we die we go to either Heaven or Hell but don't stay here for all eternity. After the final judgment and armageddon, those in Hell go to the lake of fire while the saved in Heaven go to the 'New World'. I imagine the New World not as living in the clouds forever but as being like this current world without the corruption of sin, perfect if you will. Mind that my eschatology isn't very good so maybe try do some research on this last paragraph in case I've misinterpreted something.
@@prydain4131 I can't remember the specific reference, but whatever you think about him, the guy who wrote "21 Minutes in Hell" cited a Bible verse to support the idea that demonic beings will inflict torment on the inhabitants of Hell. This does not mean they aren't also being tormented. It was in a 1 hour presentation here on RUclips and I remember finding it convincing. For whatever it's worth - and it may not be worth much - this is a pretty common motif in distressing near death experiences (dNDEs), which probably serve as the common inspiration for ideas about Hell around the world, so I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9
1 Bible verse. Interesting it doesn’t mention baptism when you should look at the verses that do.. the ones that say “baptism saves “ lol baptism saves doesn’t contradict the quoted verse
It's almost as if the faithless are baptized into judgement and baptism adds regeneration (baptism is not the only way to regeneration, but it has that effect.)
Why does everyone leave out Ephesians 2:10... "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."
People don’t baptize themselves, they ARE baptized. God does the work through the hands of the priest or bishop, because as Jesus told the Apostles “those Who receive you receive me, and those who receive me receive him who sent me.”
Yes He does from Genesis through Revelation...and He does so on His terms...through His Words...including the death and resurrection of His only Begotten son for our sins...balancing a ledger we could never balance for us ourselves...and as a cherry on top...Ressurected Jesus tells us he will send a helper and that He will be with us for all ages. People...this is Gospel!
Because Mark 16:16 says that He who believes and is baptized will be saved. So faith is required for Baptism to save someone. Second, God regenerates people with the Gospel as well as Baptism. So if someone didn't have access to Baptism but still trusted in Christ, he can be saved.
@@Saluspergratiam If you need x and y for z to happen that means z is cauzed by x and y. But if you only had x and z still happends then anyone would come to the conclusion that z is directly cauzed only by x. So y is eather unrelated or itself a conclusion of x.
It's because baptism is really supposed to be inseparable from your initial belief in Christ. You are supposed to get baptized immediately after believing, as Acts indicates clearly. Baptism is meant to be an integral part of you putting your faith in Christ, just like confessing that He is Lord is (Romans 10). As such, baptism is part of the act of conversion. That's why it "saves". Someone can be baptized and then damned in the same way that they can put their faith in Christ and be damned: through apostasy. That's because these things are two parts of one act. A person can be saved without baptism because it's the faith that is behind baptism that is really responsible for its salvific power, and that salvific power exists in faith apart from the act of baptism. Read 1 Peter 3:21, which makes it clear that the "answer of a good conscience toward God" is what gives baptism its significance. The Lord may show mercy to those who cannot be baptized, but I doubt that He will for those who neglect or refuse to be. It must be made clear that this is not the official Lutheran position, and that I am not a Lutheran. This is just my understanding from reading the Scriptures and contemplating the subject.
Sacraments are the *ordinary* means of salvation (and no, they are not human works, but God's work and Christ's very institutions). God has bound salvation to the sacraments, but God Himself is not bound to the sacraments. So, in extraordinary circumstances, God **could** save someone outside of the sacraments. But that's not an excuse to defy God's word and the Sacred Tradition of the Early Church which clearly point to baptismal regeneration.
@@andrewsong9104 if they are truly so important to salvation you would think they would be more talked about in the letters of Paul at least if not in the Gospels. I mean Paul did talked about everything else, even some things you would consider less important then those, so is strange how he never defined how sacrements work, yet he always repets himself that salvation is through faith. I mean why would he do that, it’s dangerous, you could even come to the conclusion that salvation is through faith alone (as protestants did) because of how many times Paul mentiones it.
Catholic here saying I’ve always loved your videos. Extremely clever and witty. I know we may have issues to debate such as the papacy and the issue of faith and works, but regarding the subjects we agree on (most of your videos), I say may God bless you and assist you in your evangelization. Here’s hoping you can win more souls to Christ!
Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ CHRIST alone John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus _________________________ Work of God = John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles _________________________ There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. _ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics Changed the 10 commandments by deleting 2nd commandment, and dividing the 10th into 2 commandments. Also changing the real Saturday Sabbath to fake sunday sabbath.✝️
@mynameis......23 your first point is wrong, I'm not reading all that but you make a lot of assumptions claiming that Mary didn't also believe and follow Christ's commands. She literally perfectly did
@@mynameis......23literally these points are all debunkable easily. Priests being married is allowable in many rites of the Catholic Church, but in the Latin rite they are married to the church. Catholics don't deny Jesus is the mediator. The lord's day was instituted because in acts the apostles meet for worship and the breaking of bread and wine on Sunday, the Lord's day. We still can observe Saturday as sabbath but as christ said, the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.
@@mynameis......23also Paul literally calls himself a spiritual father. Christ didn't say no one can call anyone else father literally, he was using hyperbole to explain the hypocrisy of parishes. You sound like a seventh day Adventist heretic, how is Ellen G White's prediction career? Seems like your faith stems from someone who kept predicting the end of time and never got it right
@@mynameis......23Finally, Peter is the first pope. Christ tells Peter, you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church. Peter means rock and in Aramaic the two words used would've been identical. So not only did Christ change Peter's name from Simon to Peter (significant whenever God does this) but He makes Peter the rock upon which the church is built. And then he gives Peter the keys to the gates of heaven and the power to bind and loose on heaven and earth with the other apostles. Yeah Peter is flawed, we all are, but that doesn't mean he isn't the pope
Awesome...I just deleted a comment and thread because someone couldn't disagree and let it go....In the Essentials, Unity; Non-Essentials, Liberty; in all things, Charity. (And, in regards to Lutheran Satire, Hilarity!) :-)
D L That reminds me of the great acrostic DOCTRINES, and I recently supplied a scripture or two for each letter. Here it is if you even want it. D-Deity of Christ, John 1:1-14, Colossians 1:17-19, Isaiah 9:6, Titus 2:13, John 8:54, Hebrews 1:8-14 O-Original Sin, 1 John 1:10 C-Canon, 2 Timothy 3:16 T-Trinity, John 10:30, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Matthew 3:16-17, Philippians 2:5-8 R-Resurrection, 1 Corinthians 15:12-20 I-Incarnation, John 1:1-14, 1 Timothy 3:16 N-New Creation, 2 Corinthians 5:17-21 E-Eschatology, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 S- Salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, Romans 3:28, Galatians 2:16, Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5
@@arcguardian Nah...not really. The Lutheran (and kinda Reformed, though we're a bit better about stating it with more nuance) position is that baptism is not something done by the believer to _earn_ salvation. It is a means of grace _God_ performs which confers salvation on the believer. (Not apart from faith, but being one thing that works faith.)
Timothy Schenks Baptism doesn’t save. Paul didn’t tell the Roman guard to be baptized to be saved. Baptism is the by product that happens the moment someone puts their trust on Jesus Christ for salvation. It’s the same thing as being born again. It happens in the spiritual. Water baptism is just an outward shewing of what has already taken place in the spirit.
Except that in Acts 10 it does NOT say Cornelius was saved before baptism. You are eisegetically asserting this to be the case. In verse 25 he actually drops down to worship Peter, before his baptism.... Then Peter preaches the gospel to them, and as a result The Holy Spirit fell upon them and Peter instructed that they all be baptized with water. That baptism saves our wretched behinds is not denied in any of this. Peter is the author of those famous verses that connects baptism to salvation. If he in any way thought that baptism had no true efficacy, he would not have written so.
Why would the thief on the cross contradict the efficacy of baptism/the notion that baptism saves? Strictly speaking, it contradicts the idea that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation, but it is not at all contrary to the notion of the efficacy of the sacrament.
Jason Rasmussen I can’t tell tone so I don’t know if this is a genuine question. Assuming that it is, here’s a simple answer: Simon Magus was baptized and still went to Hell, thus only one who believes is saved.
@That Lutheran Guy So it's faith alone, but it's also not faith alone because baptism is necessary but it's also not necessary because it's a work but it's not a work. Thanks for clearing this up for me.
You have not even attempted to address the argument that the Baptism which saves is baptism of the spirit by holy fire and not Baptism by water. In fact, you don't even define what Baptism is which leads me to believe you don't truly understand it yourself. I don't mean this as an insult, but i think you're missing some critical points.
Luther quoted Saint Augustine in one instance where a Christian wanted to baptize a catechumen in order to receive the absolution in an emergency. You would also need to be baptized and catechized in order to receive the Lord’s Supper.
If baptism is at all "salvific" then Paul (along with Christ himself) are directly responsible for REFUSING to save people. 1 Corinthians 1:17 "For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel-not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power." Thus if baptism is what saves us, then we are witches not Christians.
William Keller The word "washing" is from the Greek word loutron, which refers to (according to Thayer's Lexicon) the act of bathing and is used here in the New Testament and in other writings to refer to baptism. The word "regeneration" is from the Greek word palingenesia, which is taken from two root words "born" and "again." Titus 3:4-7 (KJV) 4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Matthew 3:15 Jesus insisted that even John's baptism was fitting for them to fulfill all righteousness. A servant is not greater than his Lord. Matthew 3:16 In baptism, the Father claims the Son. The Spirit rests on the Son. Matthew 21:25 Mere water baptism is a gift from Heaven. Matthew 28:19 Make disciples by baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and by teaching. Mark 1:4 Mere water baptism = repentance for the forgiveness of sins. Mark 16:16 *Baptized believers are saved, unbelievers condemned.* Luke 7:29 Even water baptism is a public declaration that God is righteous. Luke 7:30 *Rejecting even mere water baptism = rejecting God's purpose for you.* John 1:31, 33 John knew beforehand that God would reveal the Christ through baptism. Acts 2:38 *Repentance and baptism = forgiveness and the Spirit.* Acts 2:39-41 3000 bachelors, virgins, wives, husbands, and *children of all ages received forgiveness and the Spirit in baptism.* The smallest can't have decided to repent in a mature way, but they were not excluded. Acts 8 Many early church Bible readers saw a distinction between the Spirit's invisible gift of repentance/forgiveness and the Spirit's visible gift of leadership/ordination. Philip the Evangelist could baptize but not bestow spiritual authority. Only the apostles could do that. Acts 22:16 *Baptism washes away sins.* Romans 6:3, 4 *Baptism is death to sin, death with Christ, and newness of life in Christ.* 1 Corinthians 1 Baptism must not turn into hero worship, cliques, and factionalism. 1 Corinthians 12:22, 13 On the contrary, baptism is unity in the one Holy Spirit in Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:29 Even superstitious baptism declares the resurrection of the dead. Galatians 3:27, 28 Baptism clothes every member of the body of Christ in equality. Ephesians 3:5 There is one Spirit, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all. Ephesians 5:26 Baptism sanctifies the Church because it is the washing of water with the word. Colossians 2:11 Baptism is a works-free death, a cutting off of the flesh. Colossians 2:12 Christ was buried. You were buried with Christ *in baptism.* God raised Christ from the dead. You believe God raised Christ from the dead. Therefore, God raised you with Christ *in baptism.* This is all *God’s powerful work.* Hebrews 6:1-2 *Baptism is a basic foundational teaching. You can't say you believe in Jesus while rejecting his basic teachings.* 1 Peter 3:20 Noah was saved by water, not from water. The flood waters washed away much evil. 1 Peter 3:21 Baptism now *saves you!* Baptism is assurance/demand of a good conscience before God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This verse summarizes all that has been said above.
@@BertiferousRex yes I agree there’s one type of water baptism. but there’s different kinds of baptisms in the Greek and Hebrew also the Greek word for church ekklésia means the polis of a city or the people of a kingdom meaning the kingdom of God (the church) is a people not a theological dogma or pharisaical ideology it is knowing God personally knowing his word, and being in communion with your fellow believers. One Lord, one faith, one baptism all of that being found within Jesus Christ and within the context of the logos and Rema authoritative word of God.
@@BertiferousRex water baptism came from the Jewish tradition as a purification process it is also a symbolic gesture of you dedicating your life to Christ and you being co buried and co resurrected with Christ. It is a part of sanctification. There is no way you can be sanctified without baptism, but you can be saved without it because there’s a difference between sanctification and salvation.
This was very convincing! I wonder then, why Lutherans only sprinkle and also why they do babies, that can not choose. I looked up a list of verses on baptism, and it made it even clearer. But *when they believed* Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, *men and women* alike. and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan *River,* as they confessed their sins.
It was necessary for adult baptismal candidates to profess belief before being baptised because an adult is capable of rejecting faith and receiving the means of grace hypocritically. With infants, that is not a problem, and the parents and godparents are expected to nurture the faith given to the child in baptism until the child can profess faith by themselves. You not wanting to think about the elephant in the room doesn't change these facts.
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. John 3:5 Then Jesus goes on to explain what He means even in more detail That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6 KJV Born of water= fleshy birth, the 1st birth Born of the Spirit= born again, 2nd birth Where in this passage is baptism mentioned? Nowhere. Just because a verse says water doesn't automatically mean its talking about baptism.
Also the tax collector in Luke who cried out to God for mercy on a sinner like him. He was justified. Two biblical examples of salvation without baptism. B I believe you should be baptised, but if there's no opportunity because of time or location after salvation, you're still saved.
I believe in baptismal regeneration, but I hate the way Lutherans argue pretty much everything they believe. There is a logical connection between baptism and the thief on the cross; it's called "salvation." The Bible depicts a genuine conversion apart from Trinitarian baptism. It is not enough to simply say: "Look over here! Don't look over there!" You have to account for it. Anything less is dishonesty.
Ephesians 5:26 Baptism sanctifies the Church because it is the *washing of water with the word.* Colossians 2:12 Christ was buried. You were buried with Christ *in baptism.* The Holy Spirit does not bury people, he fills people. The waters of baptism bury people. God raised Christ from the dead. You believe God raised Christ from the dead. Therefore, God raised you with Christ *in baptism.* This is all *God’s powerful work.* Matthew 21:25 Mere water baptism is a gift from Heaven. You can't go to Heaven if you don't want gifts from Heaven. Matthew 3:15 Jesus insisted that even John's baptism was fitting for them to fulfill all righteousness. A servant is not greater than his Lord. If Jesus says it's for righteousness, and received it, and you belittle it, you're making yourself greater than the Lord.
@@Mygoalwogel I'm just gonna ask you a direct question: what do you think the water is DOING? And in the waters doing is it doing something apart from the holy spirit? And IF IT'S NOT, if baptism only saves through the power of Christ then doesn't that mean that CHRIST saves, NOT BAPTISM?
@@christianfaux736 Isaiah 6:7 What is God doing? Forgiving sins. How is He doing this? By his word. To whom is this word spoken? To the person whose lips the coal touches. How can that person believe his sins are forgiven? Because it is spoken by God directly to him as indicated by a physical sign. 2 Kings 5:14 What is God doing? Healing the sick. How is He doing this? By his word. To whom is this word spoken? To the person whose flesh the Jordan touches seven times How can that person believe his flesh will be healed? Because it is spoken by God directly to him as indicated by a physical sign. Acts 2:38 What is God doing? Forgiving sins. How is He doing this? By his word. To whom is this word spoken? To the person who is baptized. How can that person believe his sins are forgiven? Because it is spoken by God directly to him as indicated by a physical sign.
@@Mygoalwogel Yeah, great the word didn't forgive sins, the word didn't heal the sick God did! Baptism doesn't save, God does. Are you a false flag trying to prove my point for me?
As a Baptist... huh. I never really knew that Lutherans also believed that people can have saving faith if they are unable to be baptised. Thanks for putting this out there! I think I'm interested in learning more about Lutherans now :)
You know, I haven't studied Zwingli, but that was indeed a bold assertion. Could you explain that a little or point me in the direction of something that does? Thanks.
Personally I wouldn't go to anyone living on earth, pastor or not, for answers on who's in heaven or hell, regardless of how much bible they have under their belt. God doesn't appoint man as judge on the last day. He gives Pastors authority to forgive sins, but not to judge. By all means, look to a Pastor for an explanation of the bible or church history, or forgiveness of sins, as they are called to do such things, but don't go to them for something that they are not called to do.
@@zachdavenport8509 Perhaps this video would help you to understand Pastor Fiene's statement: ruclips.net/video/lM9BR55nA2U/видео.html (Note: I don't think that we can actually know who is or is not in hell, and even if we could know, we should not make such assertions)
I'm not sure if the thief on the cross would count as a baptism by blood, but it probably counts as baptism by desire, which are things which we know can do the same thing as baptism in a pinch
@@bosstoober8782 verse 5 gives it away, it is the likeness of His death. Romans 6:3-5 New American Standard Bible 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
Brilliant execution. Was trying to explain how Christ commanded works and this was used. Meanwhile confessing with our lips ( thief on the cross professed Christ is Lord) is a work, and yup. ( if YOU confess ( work )
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Funny how this bit of scripture from ephesians says it's not by works. Btw, grace means "meritless favor and blessing" aka we don't so anything to merit our salvation. Aka we don't WORK for our salvation. Aka nothing about who we are and what we do can earn salvation. It is given to us by God.
@@goosieschmoo8239 yea i never heard that verse before, nobody before you rips it out of context, it's the first time i ever heard it. (Sigh) Through faith not by faith. Through faith we do works. Did not James make clear that faith alone is useless, but so also works WITHOUT FAITH. Therefore understand that scriptures speak of two type of work, those done through faith, and those done not through faith. Therefore the works being referred to here are those done not through faith. If you read verse 10 you will see it makes this very clear, as it says, "Saved for good works." Paul is contrasting the two works, those not done in faith, which are accounted garbage, and those done through faith. James then uses Abraham as an example of works done through faith, and accounts his works completing his faith as "believing." Jesus also made it crystal clear, when He said, "You are my friends IF you do whatever I command you." and "You will abide in my love IF you OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS." conditional on obeying Christ. When Paul speaks of the law in negative language, understand that he is rebuking old cov law keeping and rejecting the new covenant which is through walking in the Spirit not the letter of the law. We fulfill the law as Christians, we do not keep the law. In 1 Corinthians 9:21 Paul makes this perfectly clear, that he distinguishes between old cov law, and the law of Christ. Paul says, "I become as one without the law (old cov law that is )" then Paul says right afterwords "Not being without Law towards God, but under the LAW OF CHRIST." Paul did not say here, "I become as one without law because Christians need not works, but faith alone." No he says we are under obligation to the law of God, to love neighbor and to love God, to walk in Holiness, to walk in love, to walk and live in the Spirit. In John 15:1-6 we see again Jesus making it perfectly clear that those who do not produce fruit will be thrown into the fire. He is speaking of believers here, as these men are branches attached to the vine, and are said to remain in Him. later in chapter 15 Christ commands obedience. In John 14 Jesus says "If you love me you will keep my commandments." the emphasis being that WE keep them. Again Jesus calls for us to pick up our crosses daily, to die to self, and to continually follow. In no way shape or form is faith separated from works, and in no way do works necessarily follow faith. The obedience falls on us, and thus as James says in James 2:24, ESV: You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone
@@JoshuaHults If you've never heard that verse before then you haven't read your bible thoroughly enough. here's the verse for you: Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." also, since you're talking about Abraham, have this as well: Romans 4: 1-6 "What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works" Faith =/= works. you don't earn your salvation. besides, who we are and what we do are but filthy rags before the Lord: Isaiah 64:6 "But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousness are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away."
@@JoshuaHults also, how on earth can Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." be taken out of context when it's WORD FOR WORD saying that the faith God gives us is NOT A WORK. but nah, we gotta be like the pagans who earn their way to salvation. The pagans in the greek/roman mythos religion did it with their false gods and it seems it's made it's way over into Catholicism.
@@goosieschmoo8239 I was originally not going to respond back, but for your inquiry and also for possible onlookers I will address your response. 1 ) I have heard the verse, it is quoted outside of the context of both that very letter, the rest of Paul's letters and Jesus' teaching on the matter, as I already showed in the first response. It was not meant to be taken literally, but with a grain of salt, hence the (sigh)... 2 ) Again the works in Romans 4 were works of the old cov law, which obviously did not exist during abraham's time. Again we go to James 2 "21 vWas not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, y“Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”-and he was called a friend of God. " we see here that these works as in ephesians 2 are contrasted with old cov works, or works not done through faith. Abraham we read did do works, and these works done through faith completed his faith. The distinction being not works of mosaic law, but those done through faith in obedience to God. Thus as Abraham obeyed through faith, so we likewise, sons of Abraham through faith do as Abraham, the WORKS done through faith. 3 ) Works in keeping with obedience is no more earning salvation than Noah obeying and entering the Ark and not jumping off earned Noah's saving through the flood. To be saved, one has to be in Christ, to be in Christ in order to be saved by Christ, one has to remain in Christ through obeying His commandments. This faith only logic again would result in a life guard throwing a rope to a drowning victim, and then because the victim had to grab the rope, hold onto the rope, and listen to the instructions conclude that the victim saved themselves. This is silly, no the victim if he obeyed the instructions and DID what was asked of him, would then be saved by the life guard. Both working together, in a conditional relationship. Likewise Christians obey Christ in order to remain in Christ (Just read John 15) and all those in Christ are then saved by Christ's atonement. Salvation is not in you or me, it's in the Son, and therefore to have salvation applied to us, we must be in the Son.
Brother, if you continue repeatedly getting the same question from sincere believers, and even the same sincere believer, rather than calling him "stupid" and yourself "enlightened", and digging in your heals" and just repeating yourself with vain repetition; you should truly deeply try to understand why they don't think your answer is logical or reasonable. If you haven't been able to find a way to "enlighten" your sincere brothers, perhaps it is you, and not them, who is missing the key details. Have you ever tried replacing "baptism" with "spirit-baptism" and "water-baptism" to see if you get different results when talking with persons? For me, if you replaced "baptism" with "spirit-baptism", which according to scripture is the seal by which we can know that we are saved, I'd completely agree with you. :)
Amen. They get so much right, so for them to drop the ball this hard and fast is quite telling. The one issue they are wrong on, is the one they demonstrate they can't even answer. Stranger than fiction.
@@johnking9161 Calvinist reject the real true corporal presence and baptismal regeneration (according to heterodox Westminster Confession). They also have rejected the office of the keys (e.g. the sacrament of private confession & holy absolution) and believe in the heretical view of “once save always saved” (aka preservation of the saints) they also teach the heretical views such as limited atonement-the heresy of double predestination.
@@P-el4zd Yes, we reject that Jesus is physically present in the Eucharist but we believe that we receive the real Body and Blood of Christ. I was just saying that to say that Zwingli and Calvin are the same is untrue.
@@johnking9161 Calvin/Zwingli were heretics. All you have is bread and wine and imagine that you’re rising up into highest heavenly places to feast on Christ spiritually. Calvin and Zwingli are in agreement, for them, the bread and wine are merely symbolic symbols. Calvinist like Presbyterians are crass Sacramentarians. They pretend to have the “real presence” but what they mean is totally different than what a Catholic/Lutheran or Orthodox mean. “They (Zwinglians) declare in plain, clear words what they believe in their hearts, that in the Holy Supper nothing but bread and wine is present, distributed, and received with the mouth. Others, however, are crafty Sacramentarians (Calvinist). They are the most harmful of all. In part, they talk very fancy, using our own words. They pretend that they also believe a true presence of the true, essential, living body and blood of Christ in the Holy Supper. However, they say that this happens spiritually through faith. Nevertheless, under these fancy words they hold precisely the former crass opinion, namely, that in the Holy Supper nothing is present and received with the mouth except bread and wine. For with them the word spiritually means nothing other than the Spirit of Christ or the power of Christ’s absent body and His merit that is present. But for them Christ’s body is in no mode or way present, except above in the highest heaven. They say we should elevate ourselves into heaven by the thoughts of our faith. And there-not at all in the bread and wine of the Holy Supper-we should seek Christ’s body and blood.”
Do you think your next video could be about Sabbath keeping? I'm curious as to what the Lutheran viewpoint of the Sabbath is and I'm kind of interested in seeing what kind of video you could make out of that.
The Sabbath (rest) is a prophecy of Christ, who is our TRUE rest). Mark 2:27 tells us, “And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:”
Scripture taken in context will clarify so much… Baptismal regeneration is works based. UNLESS you are referring to the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” Matthew 3:11-12 KJV Baptism of water is JOHN’S Baptism, Baptism of Holy Ghost is Jesus’ baptism… better be Baptized with the Holy Ghost or you will be baptized by fire.
Posting here because youtube disabled comments on your video "The Churchy Fruits Learn About Courage" because somehow they thought it was for kids. I can't believe they'd miss the point of a video that hard
Dang! 3 months felt like forever. So glad you’re back to making these vids. Coronavirus, riots, political unrest, etc...See what happens when you slack off?!
My dad got baptized as a baby and thinks he's going to heaven because of that but he doesn't seek the Lord at all. Many think they're saved because they got baptized. I was baptized many times before I got saved.
@@humbleladI’m a new Lutheran but he does bring up a good point that we should think about. Many have been baptized into the Lord but are now fooling themselves into believing that they can ignore God’s commands and go their own way. Similar to the ancient Israelites who were saved by God from Egypt but never truly appreciated what he accomplished for them and disobeyed so God punished them by making them wander. Paul warns us about this in 1st Corinthians 10
@@humblelad I know he says that and I disagree with him, I should’ve made it more clear. What I was trying to say is that we have to make sure we’re not rejecting our Baptism by walking away from it by going our own way like the ancient Israelites did in the desert.
Baptism in the Holy Spirit saves. Baptism comes from the Greek baptizo meaning to immerse. John the Baptist said “As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. Matthew 3:11 NASB From everything I've read, it's my understanding that Baptism in the Holy Spirit is different than just being dunked in water by a priest. Some times I get the feeling that English is Pig Latin and not adequate to understand deeper meanings within the word of God. Love the vids. Keep it up.
Brother, you cannot discern the types of baptism. So when The Apostles talk about baptism in Titus 3, Romans 6, 1st Peter 3, we should regard it as water baptism. Also, baptism is not just dunking in water, it is immersing the person in water that is prayed and Holified. Also read these quotes from the Great Doctor of the Church: St. Augustine of Hippo: If the forgiveness of sins were not to be had in the Church, there would be no hope of future life and eternal liberation. We thank God, who gave his Church such a gift. Here you are; you are going to come to the holy font, you will be washed in saving baptism, you will be renewed in the “bath of rebirth” [Titus 3:5], you will be without any sin at all as you come up from that birth. All the things that were plaguing you in the past will be there be blotted out. Augustine, Sermon 213.9 Also: Paul spoke of the great mystery of holy baptism as bound up with the cross of Christ; and this he does in terms that make us understand that baptism in Christ is nothing but an image of Christ’s death, and the Christ’s death on the cross is nothing but an image of the remission of sin. Just as his death was real, so also the remission of ours is real; and just as his resurrection was real, so also our justification is real. Augustine, Enchiridion ad Laurentium de fide spe et caritate
@@slaveofchrist6325 Augustine had things that were Roman Catholic and things protestant. Therefore let's first get straight what baptism is from the bible. "Christ’s death on the cross is nothing but an image of the remission of sin." No it was truly the attoning act of remission of sin not just an image. Colossians 2 verse 6 and 7: As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving. Paul adresses the believers here!!! So this precedes Verse 12: buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
Letting Gods word speak for its yet again! Matthew 28:19-20 (ESV): 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20
In the end, the point of the video stands. Though we can argue endlessly with both the literal & metaphorical meaning of baptism, it's still a funny video. I could make an argument that the thief was baptized in the spirit, just not in water. We could go back in forth all day. Are you my brothers & sisters in Christ? The 1st believers in Acts didn't have a compiled Old Testament and they certainly didn't have the New. They weren't any less believers, praising God the Father and the Lord of all. Much love.
Titus 3 doesn’t even mention baptism. It is referring to the washing of regeneration from the Holy Spirit salvation). 1Peter calls baptism a “like FIGURE” to Noah’s salvation by water. In other words, it is a symbol of our salvation... not the salvation itself. Read Albert Barnes’ notes on the verse.
Meditatio they both pointed to new life in Christ. Read Titus 3. That whole section is comparing baptism and the flood, and pointing out the fact they are both symbols (figures) of our death to sin and rebirth in Christ through our salvation.
False, 1 Peter 3:21 doesn't say Baptism is a figure, it says the flood was a figure which pointed to Baptism. Baptism, which corresponds to this (the flood), now saves you, not (it does not save you) as a removal of dirt from the body but (saves you) as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 1 Peter 3:21 ESV , notes mine The verse doesn't say Baptism is a symbol, rather, the flood is a symbol that pointed to Baptism. The verse is saying it's not the act of getting wet that saves you, it's the act of asking God for a clean conscience. The EHV (Evangelical Heritage Version) says it in a way easier to understand "And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the body but the guarantee[o] of a good conscience before God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ CHRIST alone John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus _________________________ Work of God = John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles _________________________ There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. _ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics Changed the 10 commandments by deleting 2nd commandment, and dividing the 10th into 2 commandments. Also changing the real Saturday Sabbath to fake sunday sabbath.✝️
@@mynameis......23oh look heres the SDA “bible-believing born again christian” who thinks everything traditional is catholic and that science is evil and all denominations are evil. The bible clearly says that christians meet on the first day of the week AKA sunday AKA the day that YESHUA HA’MASHIACH rose from the dead and DEFEATED EVIL!
Boy oh boy. The Roman Catholics are out in force in the comment section. You lutherans better fend them off with some holy water or something - Yours sincerely a presby.
Technically don't catholics get baptized every Mass, since they're being sprinkled with water and such? I don't know if every parish does it, but it's been a funny surprise on the rare visits. But I ask: What are the Catholics doing to the comments section?
@@silversilk8438 well they are nicely segway-ing from this topic about baptism into how apostolic sucession proves that the Roman Catholic Church is always right on every theological matter. :x
at least once per week i come here to see Zwingli ask if we think Jesus is literally a door. first time i saw it i audibly laughed for a minute straight.
@Kade Daivis How does a baby who is Baptized receive faith -- it's a gift from the Holy Spirit. The baby cannot speak for itself - however the baby is still saved and is forever a child of God. People can and do reject God. I believe what the Bible says. We don't do anything to receive God's grace.
@Kade Daivis Babies can have faith - we cannot explain it but the Bible says they can. There are many verses that say this ... Acts 2:38-39 ESV 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”
Baptism is done by the authority, the command, and in the stead (i.e. name) of Jesus. The word of God says, Daniel Cooke, I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Even if you don't believe it, God put his name on you and made you his child. If the baptized doesn't believe it, doesn't repent, and doesn't accept Christ, that's not Christ's fault. The baptism is still done by the authority, the command, and in the name (i.e. stead) of Jesus.
@@Mygoalwogel no are you are saying every one has already been saved? Baptism is a outward sign repent and be Baptised you have to do that on your own accord scripture is clear you call on the name of the lord again it takes a willfull act
@@danielcooke9974 I'm not saying that. I'm saying baptism isn't just a bath. It is water AND the word of God. The word of God is still the word of God even if you don't believe it. The word of God spoken directly to you in baptism is still the word of God spoken directly to you even if you don't believe it.
@@Mygoalwogel and I was saying without repentance and accepting Jesus as lord and savour it would only be a bath, their is a prerequisite of accepting Jesus as lord
Alternative explantion: faith in Jesus comes from regeneration, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, which baptism is the sign, seal, and sacrament of. It is a means of grace that has a real connection to saving faith and regeneration, but cannot be conflated entirely with it. Yes, baptism saves, but only because it's a covenant sign and seal of the Spirit's real inner salvation. The sacrament without the inner baptism will not save, while the inner baptism without the sacrament of baptism will. Hence, the thief on the cross. Now, go buy Zwingli an indulgence already, you owe it to him. Also before I get called a Zwinglian sacramentarian, I'm a Calvinist which means I believe in nuance 😋
God regularly works through means, which means that he uses those means to carry out His saving work. We ought not negate the saving power God gives to baptism simply because we rationally do not understand it. The Bible doesn't nuance like this, nor should we. "Baptism now saves you", should simply stay as is written.
@@evangelicalcatholics the Bible is consistent. Isn't expounding a consistent theological doctrine of baptism that unites both Paul's doctrine and the thief on the cross better than simply juxtaposing the two and shrugging? To me it seems the Calvinist view unites both truths more consistently and Biblically than the Lutheran, which btw I respect as more Biblical than most broad evangelical takes. Edit: I agree that God works through means like baptism to save, no disagreement there. But the fundamental element of salvation remains justification by grace through faith in the inner man, as I'm sure you agree. Baptism is an external physical reality that reflects that, is the culmination of that, and seals that, like circumcision did in the OT!
Scripture never contradicts itself .. Just show me et al where scripture specifically states baptism does NOT save! It has already been well established that scripture does state, baptism does save you .. If one goes into the exclusive context of "spiritual" this, "spiritual" that .. Well then, we are on that slippery slope of Gnosticism .. Are we not?
@Mathiassss "baptism doth also now save us by the resurrection of Jesus Christ" Why can't both be true? We can't tear the Word apart and say the 'baptism saves' part isn't true because it is 'by Christ's resurrection' "baptism doth also now save us" Amen. "by the resurrection of Jesus Christ" Amen. Believe it! In baptism, we are joined to Christ. We are buried with him in his death, and thus raised with him in his resurrection. Romans 6: [3] Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? [4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Colossians 3 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. [2] Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. [3] For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. Baptism is not a way to the Father apart from Christ. Baptism saves only through Christ's death and resurrection for the forgiveness of our sin ("by the resurrection of Jesus Christ").
Ummm it's spiritual, there's nothing gnostic about that. Look at Jesus and Nicodemus regarding being born again. Strictly spiritual and NOTHING gnostic about it.
The baptism that saves....would that be the baptism that is quoted in Ephesians 4:5...one Lord, one faith, one baptism...aka the baptism of the Holy Spirit??? Which we only need once!
No, one Baptism in water which gives us the Holy Spirit (John 3:5, Acts 2:38, Titus 3:5) Nowhere in Scripture is a Baptism in the Holy Spirit even vaguely mentioned apart from Water Baptism. When John said "He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire", he was speaking of Pentecost, where tongues of fire descended on the Apostles.
@Phillip Hickman the preceding verse says: As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning. And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ Acts 11:15-16 ESV How did the Holy Spirit fall on them? When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 2:1-4 ESV They spoke in tongues, this was the "Baptism" of the Holy Spirit and fire, the same Baptism the apostles received in Acts 2.
Yes, it does. Actually, 1 Peter says baptism saves not by removal of dirt from the body, but as answer of good conscience by what Christ did. So yes, it saves, by the promise of Christ’s salvation to us. Just not by dirt removed from the body, a view no one holds to.
Titus 3:5 says, "He saved us, not by works which we did in righteousness, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit." The text doesn't say the washing of regeneration is baptism, it may instead mean the washing of both regeneration and renewing, which is worked by the Holy Spirit. This is a better explanation because the verse says, "He saved us not by works which we did in righteousness." Baptism is an action performed by men on men. The verse contrasts the unsaving work of men and the saving work of God, which means that baptism doesn't save because it is performed by men. This is also consistent with grace through faith not works. Ephesians 2:8. The account of the thief on the cross does apply to the question of whether or not baptism saves, because it tells about the salvation of the thief on the cross. He was saved without baptism, so why is baptism necessary today? This clear example of salvation without baptism, coupled with the clear teaching that we are not saved by our works, is more than enough evidence to discredit the idea that baptism saves. Titus 3:5 makes that clear by saying we aren't saved by our righteous works but by the Holy Spirit. Of course, if you want more evidence of salvation without baptism look at the Old Testament saints. They were also saved without baptism.
💯 perfect depiction of what it’s like talking to people convinced that Baptism is just a symbol. No matter how much sound theology you put into the conversation, “whaddabout the thief on the cross” and “Baptism saves…?” are all that comes out. It’s seriously sad.
I think John 3:8 is something that comes to my mind more when the subject of baptismal regeneration comes up. Seems like Jesus doesn’t think being born of the spirit is a visible “event”, but instead a spontaneous action of the Holy Spirit ala Reformed soteriology of regeneration: John 3:8 [8] The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
I've gotten tired of explaining that Baptism is a symbol.... in the ancient sense, where a symbol was something that conveyed what it portrayed -- so since Baptism portrays burial with Christ, it buries you with Christ, and since Baptism portrays washing of sins, then it washes away your sins, and since Baptism portrays a new birth, then it gives you a new birth, and since Baptism portrays . . . .
@@Traildude, I’m not denying there is symbolism in Baptism. What I push back against is this extremely anti-Scriptural perspective that it’s JUST a symbol, as in it’s JUST a public expression of something already in place. That it’s JUST an act of obedience that doesn’t actually deliver anything it signifies. That’s an empty sign. The New Testament does not prescribe a mere empty sign to us.
@@j.sethfrazer That's my point: they don't even understand the term "symbol" right. And my efforts tend to come up against the same sort of none-headed repetition as in the video.
@VDMA wrong baptism in the new testament is full immersion. Roman's 6 says were buried with Christ in baptism, you dont sprinkle dirt on a dead body do you? No you fully submerge a dead body in the ground. Look baptism pictures the death (going into the water), burial (under the water), and resurrection (coming out of the water) of Jesus Christ. Sprinkling does not picture that whatsoever. 1 Peter 3 says the figure of baptism saves (death,burial,resurrection) not the act of baptism.
Didache VII and IX -- though not in the Bible and therefore not binding, it is fruitful to see how the earliest Christians did things, and they certainly saw baptism as literal and would not allow anyone to partake in the Lord's Supper unless that person had been baptized (meaning that one wasn't truly united with them if that person was not baptized).
“Lutherans also do not teach an absolute necessity of Baptism, but hold that a person can possess grace and salvation without Baptism, because already the Word of Christ transmits not only a part, but the whole salvation earned by Christ. However, the possibility of salvation without Baptism no more militates against Baptism as a divine ordinance than the Lord's Supper ceases to be a divine ordinance because there can be faith in the remission of sins without the Lord's Supper, purely through the Word of the Gospel. "For God is superabundantly rich (and liberal) in His grace" (Trigl. 491, Smalc. Art., Part III, Art. IV) and therefore, to meet our practical needs, ‘not merely in one way gives us counsel and aid against sin.’” -Francis Pieper, Christian Dogmatics Volume 3 page 255
The idea that baptism is necessary for salvation is not to be found in Scripture. What is to be found is that confession of the faith is a sign of true belief in it, and baptism is the most common ritual signifying such confession. As in Romans 10: "“If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved." It says nothing of baptism in this context. Taken literally, one would have to say something like "profession saves", rather than what I consider a more holistic and correct conception: that outward expressions of faith through ritual and profession are the ultimately necessary outgrowth of a saving faith, just as "faith without works is dead" in James does not mean that we are saved through our works, but rather that a true faith necessitates the performance of good works by its very nature.
The idea that baptism saves is explicitly found throughout Scripture, including in Romans chapter 6, which must, of necessity, inform one's reading of Romans chapter 10. "It says nothing of baptism in this context." That's because Paul told us everything baptism is and does just four chapters earlier, and he assumes his readership is intelligent enough to hold on to a thought that long.
When Lutherans say that baptism is "necessary" they do not mean that baptism is absolutely necessary. I somewhat agree with their argument, i.e. we should not assume salvation in contempt of the outward means of grace, and being unbaptized does cut one off from the visible church. Likewise, we should not assume non-salvation when the outward means of grace are present, without some evidence to the contrary. In other words, we should assume that all or most children raised in the church go through a period of unbelief between reaching an "age of accountability" and making a decision for Jesus. Rather, we should assume it is the normal (but not universal) condition that those children raised in the church will have never disbelieved the gospel promises. Also, the rituals are not "works", but a means by which the gospel promises are made. Eating, drinking, and being passively washed are not works.
Read the whole text. 1 Peter 3:21 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Baptism saves, but not apart from an appeal to God for a good conscience, aka faith.
What I don't get is how you square this with salvation being by grace alone through faith alone. Believers are to be baptized, of course, but since we are saved by faith, (and we know those who die after coming to faith, but before being baptized in water, are saved [like the thief on the cross]), then salvation via water baptism is a) redundant or b) an alternative way of salvation (since the only way said baptism could save is if the one being baptized is unsaved, i.e., does not have faith) Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. The idea that "baptism saves" contradicts all three of those solas: sola gratia sola fide solo Christos. God bless.
It can't be squared. This is a symptom of theology>scripture. It's sad, but even the best of us fall for it. They should set aside the spirit of religion and walk in the Spirit Of God.
Hans...this is brilliant, as a former Merican Evanjelly....this was amazing! The rest of the Bible ...awesome. My everyday as I transition out of Merican Evanjellyism this has been a discussion daily. Thank you
Faith that contradicts what the Apostles say about Baptism is not Faith through which Grace saves. Matthew 3:15 Jesus insisted that even John's baptism was fitting for them to fulfill all righteousness. A servant is not greater than his Lord. Matthew 3:16 In baptism, the Father claims the Son. The Spirit rests on the Son. Matthew 21:25 Mere water baptism is a gift from Heaven. Matthew 28:19 Make disciples by baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and by teaching. Mark 1:4 Mere water baptism repentance grants the forgiveness of sins. Mark 16:16 Baptized believers are saved, unbelievers condemned. Luke 7:29 Even water baptism is a public declaration that God is righteous. Luke 7:30 Rejecting even mere water baptism = rejecting God's purpose for you. John 1:31, 33 John knew beforehand that God would reveal the Christ through water baptism. Acts 2:38 Repentance and water baptism in the name of Jesus = forgiveness and the Spirit. Acts 2:39-41 3000 bachelors, virgins, wives, husbands, and children of all ages (family festival) *received forgiveness and the Spirit in water baptism.* The smallest can't have decided to repent in a mature way, but they were not excluded. Acts 8 Many early church Bible readers saw a distinction between the Spirit's invisible gift of repentance/forgiveness and the Spirit's visible gift of leadership/ordination. Philip the Evangelist could baptize but not bestow spiritual authority. Only the apostles could do that. Acts 10:47-48 Baptism in the name of Jesus is water baptism. Acts 22:16 *Baptism washes away sins.* Romans 6:3-5 *Water Baptism (Spirit baptism does **_not_** bury) is death to sin, death with Christ, newness of life in Christ, and resurrection with Christ.* 1 Corinthians 1:13 Baptism must not turn into hero worship, cliques, and factionalism. 1 Corinthians 12:13 Baptism is unity in the one Holy Spirit in Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:29 Even heretical baptism declares the resurrection of the dead. Galatians 3:27-28 Baptism clothes every member of the body of Christ in equality. Ephesians 3:5 There is one Spirit, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all. Ephesians 5:26 *Baptism sanctifies the Church because it is the washing of water with the word.* Colossians 2:11 Water Baptism is the Spiritual circumcision, the circumcision of Christ. Colossians 2:12 Christ was buried. You were buried with Christ *in water baptism.* God raised Christ from the dead. You believe God raised Christ from the dead. Therefore, God raised you with Christ *in baptism.* This is all *God’s powerful work.* Hebrews 6:1-2 *Baptism is a basic foundational teaching. You can't say you believe in Jesus while rejecting his basic teachings.* 1 Peter 3:20 Noah was saved by water, not from water. The flood waters washed away much evil. 1 Peter 3:21 Baptism now *saves you!* Baptism is assurance/demand of a good conscience before God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This verse summarizes all that has been said above.
Dormammu, I’ve come to bargain.
Epic
Dormammu! Have you ever heard of the thief on the cross?
Nice reference 😂
Repent and trust in Jesus. We all deserve Hell for our sins, such as lying lusting coveting and more. We can't save ourselves, but Jesus can save us. He died on the cross to save us for our sins and rose from the grave defeating death and Hell. You must put your faith in him only. He is the only way to Heaven. Repent and trust in Jesus.
Romans 6:23
John 3:16❤❤
As a Lutheran who went to a baptist high school, this is painfully accurate.
Baptist high school saves?
Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee.
In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased.
But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help.
This is a legit Roman Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit.
This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.".
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@@Quisl🥧
Whaddabout the thief on the cross?
"So you believe Jesus is literally a door then?" Haha, I can't believe the number of times I've heard that one...
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is He literally a vine???
Funny, there’s a Christian channel called ‘The Door’.
When that happen I died laughing
Luke 23:42-43 - And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”
And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, the theological implications of the unique circumstances and timing of your salvation and death will be scrutinized and debated for thousands of years to come."
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Lol
Sounds like somebody’s never read about the thief on the cross
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As a Presbyterian, I'm like Baptism saves, BUT...... (insert long discussion about sign and thing signified)
And this is why English is a great language. The Lord predestined "But" to be a perfect homophone for the Presbyterian mind.
I was predestined to write this comment about Redeemed Zoomer being predestined to write a comment on a LutheranSatire video
Ok but like what about the thief on the cross
A wild redeemed zoomed appears
Awesome, wasn't expecting you to be here.
Sounds like somebody's never read about the thief on the cross.
Tee hee hee
Read about him? Only true fans listen to his EP album
Aren't we all a thief on the cross, in a spiritual way? Some of us on the left side, and some of us on the right side.
But, what about the thief on the cross? The I am the other thief was an awesome punch line
@@tintinismybelgian yo that’s deep
The thing I love about this channel is that even when I fundamentally disagree with the point being made, the video is still hilarious and well worth my time.
1989barker zen you should vatch mohr off zees videos!
Lol, same!
Yes!
Agreed, I disagree with the points but it was still hilarious.
Yeah, disagree, but its hilarious.
Ok, but what about the thief on the cross?
The video gives a clear answer. The possibility that God may save apart from baptism does not negate the possibility that he may save by it.
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As a Catholic...I laughed way, WAY too freakin' hard at this.
@@JP2GiannaT Debunking catholicism
I'm more blessed than mary
Proof = Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen
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CHRIST alone
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus
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Work of God =
John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
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1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.
Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop
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Jesus said Matthew 23:9
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.
Sad
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Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God
Use this to defeat the argument.
Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Matthew 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”.
Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards).
By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26.
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We should not pray to apostles
Romans 1:25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
Acts 14:15
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles
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There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
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Apostles are allowed to marry,
1 Corinthians 9:1-5
1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?
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The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic).
1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple
2)He sank down while walking on water
3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan
4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times
5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven
6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear
7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles.
8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land),
9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit),
10)King Soloman messed up,
11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11).
Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up)
12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up.
13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20
14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9
If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.
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Galatians 4:21-26
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Sarah is mother of all, Not mary
Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics
Changed the 10 commandments by deleting 2nd commandment, and dividing the 10th into 2 commandments. Also changing the real Saturday Sabbath to fake sunday sabbath.✝️
If a catholic apporved this message, it’s unfortunately not a Christian message….
Absurd argument, and extremely illogical. Both Lutherans and Catholics are Christians by definition. The conclusion is false.
@@Nicholas-Michael nah different God, different religion brotha
The face reveal we didn't deserve, but the one we need right now
196 Baptists saw this and unironically asked, "What about the thief on the Cross?" at the end of this video.
I love your username 💞
I don't think the objection was properly addressed (except by whining). Does John 3:5 say Baptism was necessary for salvation at the time Jesus said it to Nicodemus or to a future day of Pentecost? If at the time Jesus said it, why does the Thief get a pass? (And I think I have a good answer that is better than the video: because baptism assumes the Spirit of Christ is being united with the person whereas the Thief on the Cross had Christ right there physically and spiritually. But instead of pointing this out, the video decided to go on for way too long on how their inadequate answer to the Baptist's questions causes the Baptist to repeat the question over and over again ... if Driscoll could be rightly called a Baptist!)
If John 3:5 is speaking about something future after Pentecost, what is the exegetical basis?
@@petermarkavage7120 not interested in a comments debate. I have videos on Baptism, on my channel, if you want to see them.
@@barelyprotestant5365 - I'm not interested in a debate either. What I'm saying is - I appreciate all denominational beliefs and the video should have been less whiny on its insistence of making fun of those who asked the original question. To me, it actually downplayed Lutheran baptism which happens when we make fun of other's views. The strength of a view is not by how ridiculous or snarky we make out others' beliefs; it's about how strong our view stands up to the only thing it should stand up to - Scripture.
I'm a Baptist. I posit that Lutherans have a modertately strong chance of making their case. John 3:5 doesn't come into play for the Lutheran for the thief on the cross because Jesus Christ, the person who operates in Baptism, is with the thief already. Therefore, the water is not necessary. (Also, God is not bound by the sacraments - but for sacredotal denominations, this is not a strong point in favor of exceptions.)
Instead, the snarkiness of this cartoon went too far this time. And usually, I appreciate all Lutheran Satire, Rev Fisk, Rev Wolfmueller, Hans Fienes material.
@@petermarkavage7120 the water is never necessary, The Spirit is.
Theological differences aside I love how sassy Lutheran's tend to be.
Luther himself was pretty snarky just follow the example
No not a thing a Christian ought to be, sadly the most snarky folks I've met are either Lutherans or orthodox church folks
@@rauldelarosa2768 have you heard Paul or Jesus Talk they are pretty sarcastic and snarky at times
Raul DeLaRosa
Our savior was snarky here on earth. Paul was especially snarky, also.
@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 you aren't Jesus and no he spoke his mind, but he wasn't cage stage, if that's what you are saying.
I'm not Lutheran but man THIS WAS SO FUNNY LOL
I'm less bothered with Zwingly than I'm with Satan getting portrayed as the host of hell.
I don't get the Zwingli bit, honestly.
@MyJapanHomeStyle Matthew 25:41 teaches that the eternal fire was prepared for the devil and his angels. So if it was prepared as a punishment for them, then they are not the host thereof.
MyJapanHomeStyle Satan is on earth, not in hell. Hell is where he’s going and it won’t be fun for him.
@MyJapanHomeStyle I think the idea of Satan as being the host of hell derives perhaps from the cultural image of underworld gods that gentiles retained from pagan days, while the church never held the view it probably prevailed in the folk-theology of peasants. The word hell itself derives from the name of the pagan underworld of the Anglo-Saxon mythology and the goddess of the same name, Hel. It's related to the word 'hall' as in, 'hall of the slain'. In the Bible, multiple words such as 'Sheol', 'Gehenna' 'Hades' and 'Lake of Fire' are all translated to 'hell' in English translations which can confuse matters since these three terms tend to refer to different things.
As for your question - as far as I've heard from other Christians, when we die we go to either Heaven or Hell but don't stay here for all eternity. After the final judgment and armageddon, those in Hell go to the lake of fire while the saved in Heaven go to the 'New World'. I imagine the New World not as living in the clouds forever but as being like this current world without the corruption of sin, perfect if you will. Mind that my eschatology isn't very good so maybe try do some research on this last paragraph in case I've misinterpreted something.
@@prydain4131 I can't remember the specific reference, but whatever you think about him, the guy who wrote "21 Minutes in Hell" cited a Bible verse to support the idea that demonic beings will inflict torment on the inhabitants of Hell. This does not mean they aren't also being tormented. It was in a 1 hour presentation here on RUclips and I remember finding it convincing. For whatever it's worth - and it may not be worth much - this is a pretty common motif in distressing near death experiences (dNDEs), which probably serve as the common inspiration for ideas about Hell around the world, so I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis, the thief on the cross?
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast.”
Ephesians 2:8-9
Baptism isn't a work of man.
1 Bible verse. Interesting it doesn’t mention baptism when you should look at the verses that do.. the ones that say “baptism saves “ lol baptism saves doesn’t contradict the quoted verse
It's almost as if the faithless are baptized into judgement and baptism adds regeneration (baptism is not the only way to regeneration, but it has that effect.)
Why does everyone leave out Ephesians 2:10...
"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."
People don’t baptize themselves, they ARE baptized. God does the work through the hands of the priest or bishop, because as Jesus told the Apostles “those Who receive you receive me, and those who receive me receive him who sent me.”
Even us Catholics enjoyed this ....
Jesus saves!
Yes He does from Genesis through Revelation...and He does so on His terms...through His Words...including the death and resurrection of His only Begotten son for our sins...balancing a ledger we could never balance for us ourselves...and as a cherry on top...Ressurected Jesus tells us he will send a helper and that He will be with us for all ages. People...this is Gospel!
Jesus saves, George Nelson withdraws
...through word and sacrament
Dimes On His Eyes 😂
Yes! And guess what He says in Matthew 28:19? That He saves (makes disciples) by baptizing and teaching. So...wow.
So let me get this:
You can be saved without baptism.
You can be damned with baptism.
And yet, baptism saves.
How exactly does this makes sense?
Because Mark 16:16 says that He who believes and is baptized will be saved. So faith is required for Baptism to save someone. Second, God regenerates people with the Gospel as well as Baptism. So if someone didn't have access to Baptism but still trusted in Christ, he can be saved.
@@Saluspergratiam If you need x and y for z to happen that means z is cauzed by x and y.
But if you only had x and z still happends then anyone would come to the conclusion that z is directly cauzed only by x. So y is eather unrelated or itself a conclusion of x.
It's because baptism is really supposed to be inseparable from your initial belief in Christ. You are supposed to get baptized immediately after believing, as Acts indicates clearly. Baptism is meant to be an integral part of you putting your faith in Christ, just like confessing that He is Lord is (Romans 10).
As such, baptism is part of the act of conversion. That's why it "saves". Someone can be baptized and then damned in the same way that they can put their faith in Christ and be damned: through apostasy. That's because these things are two parts of one act.
A person can be saved without baptism because it's the faith that is behind baptism that is really responsible for its salvific power, and that salvific power exists in faith apart from the act of baptism. Read 1 Peter 3:21, which makes it clear that the "answer of a good conscience toward God" is what gives baptism its significance. The Lord may show mercy to those who cannot be baptized, but I doubt that He will for those who neglect or refuse to be.
It must be made clear that this is not the official Lutheran position, and that I am not a Lutheran. This is just my understanding from reading the Scriptures and contemplating the subject.
Sacraments are the *ordinary* means of salvation (and no, they are not human works, but God's work and Christ's very institutions). God has bound salvation to the sacraments, but God Himself is not bound to the sacraments. So, in extraordinary circumstances, God **could** save someone outside of the sacraments. But that's not an excuse to defy God's word and the Sacred Tradition of the Early Church which clearly point to baptismal regeneration.
@@andrewsong9104 if they are truly so important to salvation you would think they would be more talked about in the letters of Paul at least if not in the Gospels. I mean Paul did talked about everything else, even some things you would consider less important then those, so is strange how he never defined how sacrements work, yet he always repets himself that salvation is through faith. I mean why would he do that, it’s dangerous, you could even come to the conclusion that salvation is through faith alone (as protestants did) because of how many times Paul mentiones it.
I haven't worn pants to a Making the Case Conference in years. Why would I start now? You'll just have to deal with a kilt. Again.
Catholic here saying I’ve always loved your videos. Extremely clever and witty. I know we may have issues to debate such as the papacy and the issue of faith and works, but regarding the subjects we agree on (most of your videos), I say may God bless you and assist you in your evangelization. Here’s hoping you can win more souls to Christ!
Debunking catholicism
I'm more blessed than mary
Proof = Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen
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CHRIST alone
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus
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Work of God =
John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
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1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.
Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop
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Jesus said Matthew 23:9
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.
Sad
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Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God
Use this to defeat the argument.
Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Matthew 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”.
Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards).
By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26.
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We should not pray to apostles
Romans 1:25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
Acts 14:15
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles
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There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
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Apostles are allowed to marry,
1 Corinthians 9:1-5
1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?
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The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic).
1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple
2)He sank down while walking on water
3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan
4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times
5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven
6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear
7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles.
8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land),
9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit),
10)King Soloman messed up,
11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11).
Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up)
12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up.
13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20
14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9
If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.
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Galatians 4:21-26
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Sarah is mother of all, Not mary
Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics
Changed the 10 commandments by deleting 2nd commandment, and dividing the 10th into 2 commandments. Also changing the real Saturday Sabbath to fake sunday sabbath.✝️
@mynameis......23 your first point is wrong, I'm not reading all that but you make a lot of assumptions claiming that Mary didn't also believe and follow Christ's commands. She literally perfectly did
@@mynameis......23literally these points are all debunkable easily. Priests being married is allowable in many rites of the Catholic Church, but in the Latin rite they are married to the church. Catholics don't deny Jesus is the mediator. The lord's day was instituted because in acts the apostles meet for worship and the breaking of bread and wine on Sunday, the Lord's day. We still can observe Saturday as sabbath but as christ said, the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.
@@mynameis......23also Paul literally calls himself a spiritual father. Christ didn't say no one can call anyone else father literally, he was using hyperbole to explain the hypocrisy of parishes.
You sound like a seventh day Adventist heretic, how is Ellen G White's prediction career? Seems like your faith stems from someone who kept predicting the end of time and never got it right
@@mynameis......23Finally, Peter is the first pope. Christ tells Peter, you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church. Peter means rock and in Aramaic the two words used would've been identical. So not only did Christ change Peter's name from Simon to Peter (significant whenever God does this) but He makes Peter the rock upon which the church is built. And then he gives Peter the keys to the gates of heaven and the power to bind and loose on heaven and earth with the other apostles. Yeah Peter is flawed, we all are, but that doesn't mean he isn't the pope
I disagree (for reasons other than the thief on the cross).
But despite differences of opinion, the execution was hilarious and fantastic. Well done.
Awesome...I just deleted a comment and thread because someone couldn't disagree and let it go....In the Essentials, Unity; Non-Essentials, Liberty; in all things, Charity. (And, in regards to Lutheran Satire, Hilarity!) :-)
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That reminds me of the great acrostic DOCTRINES, and I recently supplied a scripture or two for each letter. Here it is if you even want it.
D-Deity of Christ, John 1:1-14, Colossians 1:17-19, Isaiah 9:6, Titus 2:13, John 8:54, Hebrews 1:8-14
O-Original Sin, 1 John 1:10
C-Canon, 2 Timothy 3:16
T-Trinity, John 10:30, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Matthew 3:16-17, Philippians 2:5-8
R-Resurrection, 1 Corinthians 15:12-20
I-Incarnation, John 1:1-14, 1 Timothy 3:16
N-New Creation, 2 Corinthians 5:17-21
E-Eschatology, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
S- Salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, Romans 3:28, Galatians 2:16, Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5
@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 the S in doctrines kinda defeats this video's theology with ease.
@@arcguardian Nah...not really. The Lutheran (and kinda Reformed, though we're a bit better about stating it with more nuance) position is that baptism is not something done by the believer to _earn_ salvation. It is a means of grace _God_ performs which confers salvation on the believer. (Not apart from faith, but being one thing that works faith.)
@@harringt100 sure it does, Christianity only has one doctrine.
Why is Mark driscoll from 2009 here?
Well that guy from -4004 and that other guy from 0033 are there, and the guy from 1531, so some person from 10 years ago is rather recent!
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Dear Lutheran Simon Pegg, how appropriate! Today we were baptized!
In Acts 10 Corneilus was saved BEFORE he was baptized.
Mars Hill New England That doesn’t mean that baptism doesn’t save.
Nice exegtical work
Timothy Schenks
Baptism doesn’t save. Paul didn’t tell the Roman guard to be baptized to be saved. Baptism is the by product that happens the moment someone puts their trust on Jesus Christ for salvation. It’s the same thing as being born again. It happens in the spiritual. Water baptism is just an outward shewing of what has already taken place in the spirit.
Except that in Acts 10 it does NOT say Cornelius was saved before baptism. You are eisegetically asserting this to be the case. In verse 25 he actually drops down to worship Peter, before his baptism.... Then Peter preaches the gospel to them, and as a result The Holy Spirit fell upon them and Peter instructed that they all be baptized with water.
That baptism saves our wretched behinds is not denied in any of this. Peter is the author of those famous verses that connects baptism to salvation. If he in any way thought that baptism had no true efficacy, he would not have written so.
Baptism saves
Why would the thief on the cross contradict the efficacy of baptism/the notion that baptism saves? Strictly speaking, it contradicts the idea that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation, but it is not at all contrary to the notion of the efficacy of the sacrament.
Yes!
Baptism saves?
Dude, have you ever heard of the thief on the cross?
The Sacramentarians are quite studied in crafting theological arguments around exceptions.
Jason Rasmussen
I can’t tell tone so I don’t know if this is a genuine question. Assuming that it is, here’s a simple answer: Simon Magus was baptized and still went to Hell, thus only one who believes is saved.
Wait...
Baptism saves?
Nope
Dude, evER hEaRD oF tHE tHeIF oN THe CrOSs
@That Lutheran GuyPlease tell me plainly, without pasting paragraphs of text. Are we saved by faith alone, or faith + works?
@That Lutheran Guy So it's faith alone, but it's also not faith alone because baptism is necessary but it's also not necessary because it's a work but it's not a work. Thanks for clearing this up for me.
@That Lutheran GuyYou can stop now. I understand your position and I reject it. There's nothing more to say.
You have not even attempted to address the argument that the Baptism which saves is baptism of the spirit by holy fire and not Baptism by water.
In fact, you don't even define what Baptism is which leads me to believe you don't truly understand it yourself.
I don't mean this as an insult, but i think you're missing some critical points.
I'm noticing a lot of catholics, on all of this channels message boards.
Did "upon friar review" send y'all here as well?
But the real question is... will the Irish Bros. make an appearance at the conference? Or better yet, the Churchy Fruits?
Not an expert, but if you declare with your mouth “Jesus is Lord, “ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved
Luther quoted Saint Augustine in one instance where a Christian wanted to baptize a catechumen in order to receive the absolution in an emergency. You would also need to be baptized and catechized in order to receive the Lord’s Supper.
If baptism is at all "salvific" then Paul (along with Christ himself) are directly responsible for REFUSING to save people.
1 Corinthians 1:17 "For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel-not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power."
Thus if baptism is what saves us, then we are witches not Christians.
Paul still baptized. You Protestants take 1 verse and think case and point
He didn’t say they didn’t get baptized. His whole point was that baptismal salvation doesn’t depend on who administers it.
"Thus if baptism is what saves us, then we are witches not Christians."
THANK YOU, well said.
@@christianfaux736 only from a reprobate mindset.
@@DF-ei9kc Pfft, at least we protestants read our Bibles.
Dont believe in baptismal regeneration but this was hilarious.
William Keller The word "washing" is from the Greek word
loutron, which refers to (according to Thayer's Lexicon) the act of bathing and is used here in the New Testament and in other writings to refer to baptism. The word "regeneration" is from the Greek word palingenesia, which is taken from two root words "born" and "again."
Titus 3:4-7 (KJV)
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
@@MClover420 Washing of regeneration is talking about the Spirits work in regeneration, not about water baptism.
@@1689solas, you are divorcing what God has united, like a Gnostic. Stop it.
@@silverwriter6739 "like a gnostic" better check that one off from my catholic character assassination bingo!
@@RussianBot4Christ, I'm not a Catholic. Are you?
The washing of the Holy Spirit is a spiritual cleansing. The Holy Spirit is not made of water.
Matthew 3:15 Jesus insisted that even John's baptism was fitting for them to fulfill all righteousness. A servant is not greater than his Lord.
Matthew 3:16 In baptism, the Father claims the Son. The Spirit rests on the Son.
Matthew 21:25 Mere water baptism is a gift from Heaven.
Matthew 28:19 Make disciples by baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and by teaching.
Mark 1:4 Mere water baptism = repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
Mark 16:16 *Baptized believers are saved, unbelievers condemned.*
Luke 7:29 Even water baptism is a public declaration that God is righteous.
Luke 7:30 *Rejecting even mere water baptism = rejecting God's purpose for you.*
John 1:31, 33 John knew beforehand that God would reveal the Christ through baptism.
Acts 2:38 *Repentance and baptism = forgiveness and the Spirit.*
Acts 2:39-41 3000 bachelors, virgins, wives, husbands, and *children of all ages received forgiveness and the Spirit in baptism.* The smallest can't have decided to repent in a mature way, but they were not excluded.
Acts 8 Many early church Bible readers saw a distinction between the Spirit's invisible gift of repentance/forgiveness and the Spirit's visible gift of leadership/ordination. Philip the Evangelist could baptize but not bestow spiritual authority. Only the apostles could do that.
Acts 22:16 *Baptism washes away sins.*
Romans 6:3, 4 *Baptism is death to sin, death with Christ, and newness of life in Christ.*
1 Corinthians 1 Baptism must not turn into hero worship, cliques, and factionalism.
1 Corinthians 12:22, 13 On the contrary, baptism is unity in the one Holy Spirit in Christ.
1 Corinthians 15:29 Even superstitious baptism declares the resurrection of the dead.
Galatians 3:27, 28 Baptism clothes every member of the body of Christ in equality.
Ephesians 3:5 There is one Spirit, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all.
Ephesians 5:26 Baptism sanctifies the Church because it is the washing of water with the word.
Colossians 2:11 Baptism is a works-free death, a cutting off of the flesh.
Colossians 2:12 Christ was buried. You were buried with Christ *in baptism.* God raised Christ from the dead. You believe God raised Christ from the dead. Therefore, God raised you with Christ *in baptism.* This is all *God’s powerful work.*
Hebrews 6:1-2 *Baptism is a basic foundational teaching. You can't say you believe in Jesus while rejecting his basic teachings.*
1 Peter 3:20 Noah was saved by water, not from water. The flood waters washed away much evil.
1 Peter 3:21 Baptism now *saves you!* Baptism is assurance/demand of a good conscience before God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This verse summarizes all that has been said above.
Yes baptism of spirit is different form water baptism although they are closely intertwined like most biblical sanctification
@@Caligulashorse1453 "One Lord, one faith, one baptism..."
@@BertiferousRex yes I agree there’s one type of water baptism. but there’s different kinds of baptisms in the Greek and Hebrew also the Greek word for church ekklésia means the polis of a city or the people of a kingdom meaning the kingdom of God (the church) is a people not a theological dogma or pharisaical ideology it is knowing God personally knowing his word, and being in communion with your fellow believers. One Lord, one faith, one baptism all of that being found within Jesus Christ and within the context of the logos and Rema authoritative word of God.
@@BertiferousRex water baptism came from the Jewish tradition as a purification process it is also a symbolic gesture of you dedicating your life to Christ and you being co buried and co resurrected with Christ. It is a part of sanctification. There is no way you can be sanctified without baptism, but you can be saved without it because there’s a difference between sanctification and salvation.
This was very convincing! I wonder then, why Lutherans only sprinkle and also why they do babies, that can not choose. I looked up a list of verses on baptism, and it made it even clearer.
But *when they believed* Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, *men and women* alike.
and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan *River,* as they confessed their sins.
It was necessary for adult baptismal candidates to profess belief before being baptised because an adult is capable of rejecting faith and receiving the means of grace hypocritically.
With infants, that is not a problem, and the parents and godparents are expected to nurture the faith given to the child in baptism until the child can profess faith by themselves.
You not wanting to think about the elephant in the room doesn't change these facts.
We've been needing this for a LONG time!
"Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω σοι, ἐὰν μή τις γεννηθῇ ἐξ ὕδατος καὶ πνεύματος, οὐ δύναται εἰσελθεῖν εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ."
- Ο Κύριος Ιησούς Χριστός
Ἀμὴν
@Handsome Jack Mint in the tabbouleh, and a Greek salad and rice, please.
σώζει το βάπτισμα
Stop misinterpreting Jesus wordsss, thanks...
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:5
Then Jesus goes on to explain what He means even in more detail
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:6 KJV
Born of water= fleshy birth, the 1st birth
Born of the Spirit= born again, 2nd birth
Where in this passage is baptism mentioned? Nowhere. Just because a verse says water doesn't automatically mean its talking about baptism.
Also the tax collector in Luke who cried out to God for mercy on a sinner like him. He was justified.
Two biblical examples of salvation without baptism. B
I believe you should be baptised, but if there's no opportunity because of time or location after salvation, you're still saved.
It's funny even though baptism doesn't save
What if the real thief on the cross was the friends we made along the way
The Song that Never Ends is a nice touch
This still left me with one question; baptism saves?
Whaddabout the thief on the cross?
I believe in baptismal regeneration, but I hate the way Lutherans argue pretty much everything they believe.
There is a logical connection between baptism and the thief on the cross; it's called "salvation."
The Bible depicts a genuine conversion apart from Trinitarian baptism. It is not enough to simply say: "Look over here! Don't look over there!"
You have to account for it. Anything less is dishonesty.
@VDMA LCMS I actually just hate how Lutherans use language. Nothing personal.
@VDMA LCMS Pax tecum, etiam.
U actually make an excellent point. They are cherry picking. We are saved my grace through faith, so they are wrong and so is Catholic doctrine.
Baptism was an institution before Jesus died on the cross.
You ever heard of the thief on the Cross?
- Dark "I screamed myself out of Church" Mriscoll
kirjian lmao dark mriscoll
He's not Voldemort, you know.
Spirit not water?
Ephesians 5:26 Baptism sanctifies the Church because it is the *washing of water with the word.*
Colossians 2:12 Christ was buried. You were buried with Christ *in baptism.* The Holy Spirit does not bury people, he fills people. The waters of baptism bury people. God raised Christ from the dead. You believe God raised Christ from the dead. Therefore, God raised you with Christ *in baptism.* This is all *God’s powerful work.*
Matthew 21:25 Mere water baptism is a gift from Heaven. You can't go to Heaven if you don't want gifts from Heaven.
Matthew 3:15 Jesus insisted that even John's baptism was fitting for them to fulfill all righteousness. A servant is not greater than his Lord. If Jesus says it's for righteousness, and received it, and you belittle it, you're making yourself greater than the Lord.
@@Mygoalwogel I'm just gonna ask you a direct question: what do you think the water is DOING? And in the waters doing is it doing something apart from the holy spirit?
And IF IT'S NOT, if baptism only saves through the power of Christ then doesn't that mean that CHRIST saves, NOT BAPTISM?
@@christianfaux736
Isaiah 6:7
What is God doing? Forgiving sins.
How is He doing this? By his word.
To whom is this word spoken? To the person whose lips the coal touches.
How can that person believe his sins are forgiven? Because it is spoken by God directly to him as indicated by a physical sign.
2 Kings 5:14
What is God doing? Healing the sick.
How is He doing this? By his word.
To whom is this word spoken? To the person whose flesh the Jordan touches seven times
How can that person believe his flesh will be healed? Because it is spoken by God directly to him as indicated by a physical sign.
Acts 2:38
What is God doing? Forgiving sins.
How is He doing this? By his word.
To whom is this word spoken? To the person who is baptized.
How can that person believe his sins are forgiven? Because it is spoken by God directly to him as indicated by a physical sign.
@@Mygoalwogel Yeah, great the word didn't forgive sins, the word didn't heal the sick God did!
Baptism doesn't save, God does.
Are you a false flag trying to prove my point for me?
As a Baptist... huh. I never really knew that Lutherans also believed that people can have saving faith if they are unable to be baptised. Thanks for putting this out there! I think I'm interested in learning more about Lutherans now :)
Evangelical: Are you saved?
Me: Yes!
Evangelical: So you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?
Me: No. I've been baptized.
When a theologian spills coffee on a multiverse transporter
You know, I haven't studied Zwingli, but that was indeed a bold assertion. Could you explain that a little or point me in the direction of something that does? Thanks.
Personally I wouldn't go to anyone living on earth, pastor or not, for answers on who's in heaven or hell, regardless of how much bible they have under their belt. God doesn't appoint man as judge on the last day. He gives Pastors authority to forgive sins, but not to judge.
By all means, look to a Pastor for an explanation of the bible or church history, or forgiveness of sins, as they are called to do such things, but don't go to them for something that they are not called to do.
@@evanmagness5678 I totally agree (except on the pastors forgiving sins part), I just want to know out of curiosity what led him to that statement.
@@zachdavenport8509 Perhaps this video would help you to understand Pastor Fiene's statement: ruclips.net/video/lM9BR55nA2U/видео.html
(Note: I don't think that we can actually know who is or is not in hell, and even if we could know, we should not make such assertions)
@@PianoForte9096 thanks, I'll give it a watch.
I'm not sure if the thief on the cross would count as a baptism by blood, but it probably counts as baptism by desire, which are things which we know can do the same thing as baptism in a pinch
Baptism doesn't do anything. It is an act to honor God.
@@arcguardian chapter and verse
@@bosstoober8782 verse 5 gives it away, it is the likeness of His death.
Romans 6:3-5
New American Standard Bible
3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
@@arcguardianwhere does the Bible say that? Because John 3:5, Titus 3:5, and 1 Peter 3:21 all say something to the contrary
Brilliant execution. Was trying to explain how Christ commanded works and this was used. Meanwhile confessing with our lips ( thief on the cross professed Christ is Lord) is a work, and yup. ( if YOU confess ( work )
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Funny how this bit of scripture from ephesians says it's not by works.
Btw, grace means "meritless favor and blessing" aka we don't so anything to merit our salvation. Aka we don't WORK for our salvation. Aka nothing about who we are and what we do can earn salvation. It is given to us by God.
@@goosieschmoo8239 yea i never heard that verse before, nobody before you rips it out of context, it's the first time i ever heard it. (Sigh) Through faith not by faith. Through faith we do works. Did not James make clear that faith alone is useless, but so also works WITHOUT FAITH. Therefore understand that scriptures speak of two type of work, those done through faith, and those done not through faith. Therefore the works being referred to here are those done not through faith. If you read verse 10 you will see it makes this very clear, as it says, "Saved for good works." Paul is contrasting the two works, those not done in faith, which are accounted garbage, and those done through faith.
James then uses Abraham as an example of works done through faith, and accounts his works completing his faith as "believing."
Jesus also made it crystal clear, when He said, "You are my friends IF you do whatever I command you." and "You will abide in my love IF you OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS." conditional on obeying Christ.
When Paul speaks of the law in negative language, understand that he is rebuking old cov law keeping and rejecting the new covenant which is through walking in the Spirit not the letter of the law. We fulfill the law as Christians, we do not keep the law. In 1 Corinthians 9:21 Paul makes this perfectly clear, that he distinguishes between old cov law, and the law of Christ. Paul says, "I become as one without the law (old cov law that is )" then Paul says right afterwords "Not being without Law towards God, but under the LAW OF CHRIST." Paul did not say here, "I become as one without law because Christians need not works, but faith alone." No he says we are under obligation to the law of God, to love neighbor and to love God, to walk in Holiness, to walk in love, to walk and live in the Spirit.
In John 15:1-6 we see again Jesus making it perfectly clear that those who do not produce fruit will be thrown into the fire. He is speaking of believers here, as these men are branches attached to the vine, and are said to remain in Him. later in chapter 15 Christ commands obedience. In John 14 Jesus says "If you love me you will keep my commandments." the emphasis being that WE keep them. Again Jesus calls for us to pick up our crosses daily, to die to self, and to continually follow.
In no way shape or form is faith separated from works, and in no way do works necessarily follow faith. The obedience falls on us, and thus as James says in James 2:24, ESV: You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone
@@JoshuaHults If you've never heard that verse before then you haven't read your bible thoroughly enough. here's the verse for you:
Ephesians 2:8-9
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."
also, since you're talking about Abraham, have this as well:
Romans 4: 1-6
"What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works"
Faith =/= works. you don't earn your salvation. besides, who we are and what we do are but filthy rags before the Lord:
Isaiah 64:6
"But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousness are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away."
@@JoshuaHults also, how on earth can Ephesians 2:8-9
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."
be taken out of context when it's WORD FOR WORD saying that the faith God gives us is NOT A WORK. but nah, we gotta be like the pagans who earn their way to salvation. The pagans in the greek/roman mythos religion did it with their false gods and it seems it's made it's way over into Catholicism.
@@goosieschmoo8239 I was originally not going to respond back, but for your inquiry and also for possible onlookers I will address your response.
1 ) I have heard the verse, it is quoted outside of the context of both that very letter, the rest of Paul's letters and Jesus' teaching on the matter, as I already showed in the first response. It was not meant to be taken literally, but with a grain of salt, hence the (sigh)...
2 ) Again the works in Romans 4 were works of the old cov law, which obviously did not exist during abraham's time. Again we go to James 2 "21 vWas not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, y“Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”-and he was called a friend of God. " we see here that these works as in ephesians 2 are contrasted with old cov works, or works not done through faith. Abraham we read did do works, and these works done through faith completed his faith. The distinction being not works of mosaic law, but those done through faith in obedience to God. Thus as Abraham obeyed through faith, so we likewise, sons of Abraham through faith do as Abraham, the WORKS done through faith.
3 ) Works in keeping with obedience is no more earning salvation than Noah obeying and entering the Ark and not jumping off earned Noah's saving through the flood. To be saved, one has to be in Christ, to be in Christ in order to be saved by Christ, one has to remain in Christ through obeying His commandments. This faith only logic again would result in a life guard throwing a rope to a drowning victim, and then because the victim had to grab the rope, hold onto the rope, and listen to the instructions conclude that the victim saved themselves. This is silly, no the victim if he obeyed the instructions and DID what was asked of him, would then be saved by the life guard. Both working together, in a conditional relationship. Likewise Christians obey Christ in order to remain in Christ (Just read John 15) and all those in Christ are then saved by Christ's atonement. Salvation is not in you or me, it's in the Son, and therefore to have salvation applied to us, we must be in the Son.
Brother, if you continue repeatedly getting the same question from sincere believers, and even the same sincere believer, rather than calling him "stupid" and yourself "enlightened", and digging in your heals" and just repeating yourself with vain repetition; you should truly deeply try to understand why they don't think your answer is logical or reasonable. If you haven't been able to find a way to "enlighten" your sincere brothers, perhaps it is you, and not them, who is missing the key details. Have you ever tried replacing "baptism" with "spirit-baptism" and "water-baptism" to see if you get different results when talking with persons? For me, if you replaced "baptism" with "spirit-baptism", which according to scripture is the seal by which we can know that we are saved, I'd completely agree with you. :)
Amen. They get so much right, so for them to drop the ball this hard and fast is quite telling. The one issue they are wrong on, is the one they demonstrate they can't even answer. Stranger than fiction.
Oh and loved your included riffs from..."This is the Song that Never Ends!"
But if the "Other" Thief on the Cross is in Hell, how did he hear of the rest of of the Bible?
These sorts of things frequently happen in fictional, satirical accounts.
@@hoosierdean Well that's no excuse! I expect 100% accuracy with my satire! :D
Dude, did you ever hear about the thief on the cross? His name was Dismas, and he is the patron-saint of prisoners and justice-impacted people.
I'm not a Zwinglian or Lutheran (much prefer Calvin/Westminster/Dort) but I laughed way too hard at the card at the end about Zwingli.
Zwingli … Calvin basically the same. ;)
@@P-el4zd Not at all Bro. Calvin believed we received the body and blood of Christ. And believed that Baptism saved for the elect.
@@johnking9161 Calvinist reject the real true corporal presence and baptismal regeneration (according to heterodox Westminster Confession). They also have rejected the office of the keys (e.g. the sacrament of private confession & holy absolution) and believe in the heretical view of “once save always saved” (aka preservation of the saints) they also teach the heretical views such as limited atonement-the heresy of double predestination.
@@P-el4zd Yes, we reject that Jesus is physically present in the Eucharist but we believe that we receive the real Body and Blood of Christ. I was just saying that to say that Zwingli and Calvin are the same is untrue.
@@johnking9161 Calvin/Zwingli were heretics. All you have is bread and wine and imagine that you’re rising up into highest heavenly places to feast on Christ spiritually. Calvin and Zwingli are in agreement, for them, the bread and wine are merely symbolic symbols.
Calvinist like Presbyterians are crass Sacramentarians. They pretend to have the “real presence” but what they mean is totally different than what a Catholic/Lutheran or Orthodox mean.
“They (Zwinglians) declare in plain, clear words what they believe in their hearts, that in the Holy Supper nothing but bread and wine is present, distributed, and received with the mouth. Others, however, are crafty Sacramentarians (Calvinist). They are the most harmful of all. In part, they talk very fancy, using our own words. They pretend that they also believe a true presence of the true, essential, living body and blood of Christ in the Holy Supper. However, they say that this happens spiritually through faith. Nevertheless, under these fancy words they hold precisely the former crass opinion, namely, that in the Holy Supper nothing is present and received with the mouth except bread and wine. For with them the word spiritually means nothing other than the Spirit of Christ or the power of Christ’s absent body and His merit that is present. But for them Christ’s body is in no mode or way present, except above in the highest heaven. They say we should elevate ourselves into heaven by the thoughts of our faith. And there-not at all in the bread and wine of the Holy Supper-we should seek Christ’s body and blood.”
Do you think your next video could be about Sabbath keeping?
I'm curious as to what the Lutheran viewpoint of the Sabbath is and I'm kind of interested in seeing what kind of video you could make out of that.
The Sabbath (rest) is a prophecy of Christ, who is our TRUE rest). Mark 2:27 tells us, “And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:”
Scripture taken in context will clarify so much… Baptismal regeneration is works based.
UNLESS you are referring to the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.
“I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
Matthew 3:11-12 KJV
Baptism of water is JOHN’S Baptism, Baptism of Holy Ghost is Jesus’ baptism… better be Baptized with the Holy Ghost or you will be baptized by fire.
Posting here because youtube disabled comments on your video "The Churchy Fruits Learn About Courage" because somehow they thought it was for kids. I can't believe they'd miss the point of a video that hard
3:47 "Uhh hello, based department?"
Dang! 3 months felt like forever. So glad you’re back to making these vids. Coronavirus, riots, political unrest, etc...See what happens when you slack off?!
My dad got baptized as a baby and thinks he's going to heaven because of that but he doesn't seek the Lord at all. Many think they're saved because they got baptized. I was baptized many times before I got saved.
Finally, someone who gets it.
I guess Jesus' words must not of worked all those times huh
@@humbleladI’m a new Lutheran but he does bring up a good point that we should think about. Many have been baptized into the Lord but are now fooling themselves into believing that they can ignore God’s commands and go their own way. Similar to the ancient Israelites who were saved by God from Egypt but never truly appreciated what he accomplished for them and disobeyed so God punished them by making them wander. Paul warns us about this in 1st Corinthians 10
@@Scum_and_Villainy that's true but he's saying Baptism doesn't work
@@humblelad I know he says that and I disagree with him, I should’ve made it more clear. What I was trying to say is that we have to make sure we’re not rejecting our Baptism by walking away from it by going our own way like the ancient Israelites did in the desert.
Baptism in the Holy Spirit saves.
Baptism comes from the Greek baptizo meaning to immerse.
John the Baptist said “As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Matthew 3:11 NASB
From everything I've read, it's my understanding that Baptism in the Holy Spirit is different than just being dunked in water by a priest.
Some times I get the feeling that English is Pig Latin and not adequate to understand deeper meanings within the word of God.
Love the vids. Keep it up.
Brother, you cannot discern the types of baptism. So when The Apostles talk about baptism in Titus 3, Romans 6, 1st Peter 3, we should regard it as water baptism. Also, baptism is not just dunking in water, it is immersing the person in water that is prayed and Holified. Also read these quotes from the Great Doctor of the Church:
St. Augustine of Hippo:
If the forgiveness of sins were not to be had in the Church, there would be no hope of future life and eternal liberation. We thank God, who gave his Church such a gift. Here you are; you are going to come to the holy font, you will be washed in saving baptism, you will be renewed in the “bath of rebirth” [Titus 3:5], you will be without any sin at all as you come up from that birth. All the things that were plaguing you in the past will be there be blotted out.
Augustine, Sermon 213.9
Also: Paul spoke of the great mystery of holy baptism as bound up with the cross of Christ; and this he does in terms that make us understand that baptism in Christ is nothing but an image of Christ’s death, and the Christ’s death on the cross is nothing but an image of the remission of sin. Just as his death was real, so also the remission of ours is real; and just as his resurrection was real, so also our justification is real.
Augustine, Enchiridion ad Laurentium de fide spe et caritate
Also I am not a Catholic, but a Protestant, quite close to a Lutheran, I am an Augustinian.
@@slaveofchrist6325 Augustine had things that were Roman Catholic and things protestant.
Therefore let's first get straight what baptism is from the bible.
"Christ’s death on the cross is nothing but an image of the remission of sin."
No it was truly the attoning act of remission of sin not just an image.
Colossians 2 verse 6 and 7:
As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
Paul adresses the believers here!!!
So this precedes Verse 12:
buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
Letting Gods word speak for its yet again! Matthew 28:19-20 (ESV): 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20
In the end, the point of the video stands. Though we can argue endlessly with both the literal & metaphorical meaning of baptism, it's still a funny video.
I could make an argument that the thief was baptized in the spirit, just not in water. We could go back in forth all day.
Are you my brothers & sisters in Christ?
The 1st believers in Acts didn't have a compiled Old Testament and they certainly didn't have the New. They weren't any less believers, praising God the Father and the Lord of all.
Much love.
w-why would a Baptist reject the sacrament of baptism? They are NAMED after the sacrament of baptism.
Titus 3 doesn’t even mention baptism. It is referring to the washing of regeneration from the Holy Spirit salvation). 1Peter calls baptism a “like FIGURE” to Noah’s salvation by water. In other words, it is a symbol of our salvation... not the salvation itself. Read Albert Barnes’ notes on the verse.
Exactly !
Why was Baptism like the flood?
Meditatio they both pointed to new life in Christ. Read Titus 3. That whole section is comparing baptism and the flood, and pointing out the fact they are both symbols (figures) of our death to sin and rebirth in Christ through our salvation.
False, 1 Peter 3:21 doesn't say Baptism is a figure, it says the flood was a figure which pointed to Baptism.
Baptism, which corresponds to this (the flood), now saves you, not (it does not save you) as a removal of dirt from the body but (saves you) as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
1 Peter 3:21 ESV
, notes mine
The verse doesn't say Baptism is a symbol, rather, the flood is a symbol that pointed to Baptism. The verse is saying it's not the act of getting wet that saves you, it's the act of asking God for a clean conscience. The EHV (Evangelical Heritage Version) says it in a way easier to understand
"And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the body but the guarantee[o] of a good conscience before God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
I do love your videos, they are always really well done. On baptism, we'll have to agree to disagree until Christ Returns. 😅
Former Baptist here and I gotta say this was good stuff
Debunking catholicism
I'm more blessed than mary
Proof = Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen
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CHRIST alone
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus
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Work of God =
John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
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1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.
Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop
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Jesus said Matthew 23:9
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.
Sad
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Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God
Use this to defeat the argument.
Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Matthew 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”.
Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards).
By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26.
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We should not pray to apostles
Romans 1:25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
Acts 14:15
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles
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There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
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Apostles are allowed to marry,
1 Corinthians 9:1-5
1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?
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The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic).
1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple
2)He sank down while walking on water
3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan
4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times
5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven
6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear
7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles.
8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land),
9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit),
10)King Soloman messed up,
11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11).
Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up)
12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up.
13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20
14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9
If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.
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Galatians 4:21-26
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Sarah is mother of all, Not mary
Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics
Changed the 10 commandments by deleting 2nd commandment, and dividing the 10th into 2 commandments. Also changing the real Saturday Sabbath to fake sunday sabbath.✝️
@@mynameis......23oh look heres the SDA “bible-believing born again christian” who thinks everything traditional is catholic and that science is evil and all denominations are evil. The bible clearly says that christians meet on the first day of the week AKA sunday AKA the day that YESHUA HA’MASHIACH rose from the dead and DEFEATED EVIL!
Ok but like what about the thief on the cross
Boy oh boy. The Roman Catholics are out in force in the comment section. You lutherans better fend them off with some holy water or something
- Yours sincerely a presby.
Technically don't catholics get baptized every Mass, since they're being sprinkled with water and such? I don't know if every parish does it, but it's been a funny surprise on the rare visits. But I ask: What are the Catholics doing to the comments section?
I wonder about the Puritans/Presbyterians whose only doctrinal principal is to “not be Roman Catholic”. :(
@@silversilk8438 well they are nicely segway-ing from this topic about baptism into how apostolic sucession proves that the Roman Catholic Church is always right on every theological matter. :x
@@tcschenks wonder no more! im an inward puritan, the only icons/idols i want to destroy are those that are in my heart.
@@silversilk8438 well no cause that's putting water on you not a trinitirian baptism
First, therefore last. :P
The music at the end is "The song that never ends." very funny.
at least once per week i come here to see Zwingli ask if we think Jesus is literally a door. first time i saw it i audibly laughed for a minute straight.
Next video ....... faith is not your decision, it's a gift of the Holy Spirit.
Learn to Molonism
@Kade Daivis The Bible clearly states many places that salvation is a gift - not anything you do.
@Kade Daivis How does a baby who is Baptized receive faith -- it's a gift from the Holy Spirit. The baby cannot speak for itself - however the baby is still saved and is forever a child of God. People can and do reject God. I believe what the Bible says. We don't do anything to receive God's grace.
@Kade Daivis You acknowledge the faith God gives you in how you follow God's law, partake in the Sacraments, and live your life.
@Kade Daivis Babies can have faith - we cannot explain it but the Bible says they can. There are many verses that say this ... Acts 2:38-39 ESV
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”
I'm presbyterian but this video is hilarious lol
Baptism without repentance and exceptance of Christ is just a bath.
Baptism is done by the authority, the command, and in the stead (i.e. name) of Jesus. The word of God says, Daniel Cooke, I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
Even if you don't believe it, God put his name on you and made you his child. If the baptized doesn't believe it, doesn't repent, and doesn't accept Christ, that's not Christ's fault. The baptism is still done by the authority, the command, and in the name (i.e. stead) of Jesus.
@@Mygoalwogel no are you are saying every one has already been saved?
Baptism is a outward sign repent and be Baptised you have to do that on your own accord scripture is clear you call on the name of the lord again it takes a willfull act
@@danielcooke9974 I'm not saying that. I'm saying baptism isn't just a bath. It is water AND the word of God.
The word of God is still the word of God even if you don't believe it.
The word of God spoken directly to you in baptism is still the word of God spoken directly to you even if you don't believe it.
@@Mygoalwogel and I was saying without repentance and accepting Jesus as lord and savour it would only be a bath, their is a prerequisite of accepting Jesus as lord
@@danielcooke9974 So you believe the spoken word of God is only the word of God if it is believed by the one spoken to?
Alternative explantion: faith in Jesus comes from regeneration, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, which baptism is the sign, seal, and sacrament of. It is a means of grace that has a real connection to saving faith and regeneration, but cannot be conflated entirely with it. Yes, baptism saves, but only because it's a covenant sign and seal of the Spirit's real inner salvation. The sacrament without the inner baptism will not save, while the inner baptism without the sacrament of baptism will. Hence, the thief on the cross.
Now, go buy Zwingli an indulgence already, you owe it to him.
Also before I get called a Zwinglian sacramentarian, I'm a Calvinist which means I believe in nuance 😋
God regularly works through means, which means that he uses those means to carry out His saving work. We ought not negate the saving power God gives to baptism simply because we rationally do not understand it. The Bible doesn't nuance like this, nor should we. "Baptism now saves you", should simply stay as is written.
You made the same arguments that some Baptist’s make
@@evangelicalcatholics the Bible is consistent. Isn't expounding a consistent theological doctrine of baptism that unites both Paul's doctrine and the thief on the cross better than simply juxtaposing the two and shrugging? To me it seems the Calvinist view unites both truths more consistently and Biblically than the Lutheran, which btw I respect as more Biblical than most broad evangelical takes.
Edit: I agree that God works through means like baptism to save, no disagreement there. But the fundamental element of salvation remains justification by grace through faith in the inner man, as I'm sure you agree. Baptism is an external physical reality that reflects that, is the culmination of that, and seals that, like circumcision did in the OT!
None of that is in the Bible. Baptism regenerates. Nothing but Calvinistic dogma.
@@jonwatson3271 thanks for contributing to the discussion, your argument is noted. Speaking of dogma...
Scripture never contradicts itself ..
Just show me et al where scripture specifically states baptism does NOT save!
It has already been well established that scripture does state, baptism does save you ..
If one goes into the exclusive context of "spiritual" this, "spiritual" that ..
Well then, we are on that slippery slope of Gnosticism ..
Are we not?
Mathiassss I agree 100%
@Mathiassss "baptism doth also now save us by the resurrection of Jesus Christ"
Why can't both be true? We can't tear the Word apart and say the 'baptism saves' part isn't true because it is 'by Christ's resurrection'
"baptism doth also now save us" Amen.
"by the resurrection of Jesus Christ" Amen.
Believe it!
In baptism, we are joined to Christ. We are buried with him in his death, and thus raised with him in his resurrection.
Romans 6:
[3] Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Colossians 3
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
[2] Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
[3] For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Baptism is not a way to the Father apart from Christ. Baptism saves only through Christ's death and resurrection for the forgiveness of our sin ("by the resurrection of Jesus Christ").
Ummm it's spiritual, there's nothing gnostic about that. Look at Jesus and Nicodemus regarding being born again. Strictly spiritual and NOTHING gnostic about it.
The baptism that saves....would that be the baptism that is quoted in Ephesians 4:5...one Lord, one faith, one baptism...aka the baptism of the Holy Spirit??? Which we only need once!
aka water baptism as Christ instituted, silly.
No, one Baptism in water which gives us the Holy Spirit (John 3:5, Acts 2:38, Titus 3:5)
Nowhere in Scripture is a Baptism in the Holy Spirit even vaguely mentioned apart from Water Baptism. When John said "He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire", he was speaking of Pentecost, where tongues of fire descended on the Apostles.
@@lenkagamine2582 there was another comment in here that needs that explained
@Phillip Hickman the preceding verse says:
As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning. And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
Acts 11:15-16 ESV
How did the Holy Spirit fall on them?
When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 2:1-4 ESV
They spoke in tongues, this was the "Baptism" of the Holy Spirit and fire, the same Baptism the apostles received in Acts 2.
Amen.
Actually 1 Peter says that the baptism that saves is not the one of washing of the flesh, but to a good conscience. So no, baptism does not saves
Yes, it does. Actually, 1 Peter says baptism saves not by removal of dirt from the body, but as answer of good conscience by what Christ did. So yes, it saves, by the promise of Christ’s salvation to us. Just not by dirt removed from the body, a view no one holds to.
@@Tron4JC Baptism saves? But what about the thief on the cross?? 🙃
Titus 3:5 says, "He saved us, not by works which we did in righteousness, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit." The text doesn't say the washing of regeneration is baptism, it may instead mean the washing of both regeneration and renewing, which is worked by the Holy Spirit. This is a better explanation because the verse says, "He saved us not by works which we did in righteousness." Baptism is an action performed by men on men. The verse contrasts the unsaving work of men and the saving work of God, which means that baptism doesn't save because it is performed by men. This is also consistent with grace through faith not works. Ephesians 2:8.
The account of the thief on the cross does apply to the question of whether or not baptism saves, because it tells about the salvation of the thief on the cross. He was saved without baptism, so why is baptism necessary today? This clear example of salvation without baptism, coupled with the clear teaching that we are not saved by our works, is more than enough evidence to discredit the idea that baptism saves. Titus 3:5 makes that clear by saying we aren't saved by our righteous works but by the Holy Spirit. Of course, if you want more evidence of salvation without baptism look at the Old Testament saints. They were also saved without baptism.
I’d love to see a debate between LutheranSatire and WWUTT!
John A the world would collapse.
💯 perfect depiction of what it’s like talking to people convinced that Baptism is just a symbol. No matter how much sound theology you put into the conversation, “whaddabout the thief on the cross” and “Baptism saves…?” are all that comes out. It’s seriously sad.
I think John 3:8 is something that comes to my mind more when the subject of baptismal regeneration comes up. Seems like Jesus doesn’t think being born of the spirit is a visible “event”, but instead a spontaneous action of the Holy Spirit ala Reformed soteriology of regeneration:
John 3:8
[8] The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
I've gotten tired of explaining that Baptism is a symbol.... in the ancient sense, where a symbol was something that conveyed what it portrayed -- so since Baptism portrays burial with Christ, it buries you with Christ, and since Baptism portrays washing of sins, then it washes away your sins, and since Baptism portrays a new birth, then it gives you a new birth, and since Baptism portrays . . . .
@@Traildude, I’m not denying there is symbolism in Baptism. What I push back against is this extremely anti-Scriptural perspective that it’s JUST a symbol, as in it’s JUST a public expression of something already in place. That it’s JUST an act of obedience that doesn’t actually deliver anything it signifies. That’s an empty sign. The New Testament does not prescribe a mere empty sign to us.
@@j.sethfrazer That's my point: they don't even understand the term "symbol" right.
And my efforts tend to come up against the same sort of none-headed repetition as in the video.
Same, but with the Eucharist.
Lutherans - baptism saves (sprinkles water on head)
Me - do you know what baptism mean? (Not sprinkling)
Yes, we do. Would you like to look at the Scriptures with me that tell us what baptism means?
@@silverwriter6739 baptism means immerse
@@brandonroot7848, no, it actually doesn't mean "to immerse." As a Master of Greek, I can confirm what VDMA has said in reply to you.
@VDMA wrong baptism in the new testament is full immersion. Roman's 6 says were buried with Christ in baptism, you dont sprinkle dirt on a dead body do you? No you fully submerge a dead body in the ground. Look baptism pictures the death (going into the water), burial (under the water), and resurrection (coming out of the water) of Jesus Christ. Sprinkling does not picture that whatsoever. 1 Peter 3 says the figure of baptism saves (death,burial,resurrection) not the act of baptism.
@VDMA also acts 8 suggests that it's full immersion.
WhaddaBout literally EVERYONE in the Old Testament?
They literally have never heard of a Jesus until they died and went to heaven
Ok, I get it. This was really a trick for getting to your virtual conference. Well played. :)
Didache VII and IX -- though not in the Bible and therefore not binding, it is fruitful to see how the earliest Christians did things, and they certainly saw baptism as literal and would not allow anyone to partake in the Lord's Supper unless that person had been baptized (meaning that one wasn't truly united with them if that person was not baptized).
“Lutherans also do not teach an absolute necessity of Baptism, but hold that a person can possess grace and salvation without Baptism, because already the Word of Christ transmits not only a part, but the whole salvation earned by Christ. However, the possibility of salvation without Baptism no more militates against Baptism as a divine ordinance than the Lord's Supper ceases to be a divine ordinance because there can be faith in the remission of sins without the Lord's Supper, purely through the Word of the Gospel. "For God is superabundantly rich (and liberal) in His grace" (Trigl. 491, Smalc. Art., Part III, Art. IV) and therefore, to meet our practical needs, ‘not merely in one way gives us counsel and aid against sin.’”
-Francis Pieper, Christian Dogmatics Volume 3 page 255
The idea that baptism is necessary for salvation is not to be found in Scripture. What is to be found is that confession of the faith is a sign of true belief in it, and baptism is the most common ritual signifying such confession.
As in Romans 10: "“If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved." It says nothing of baptism in this context.
Taken literally, one would have to say something like "profession saves", rather than what I consider a more holistic and correct conception: that outward expressions of faith through ritual and profession are the ultimately necessary outgrowth of a saving faith, just as "faith without works is dead" in James does not mean that we are saved through our works, but rather that a true faith necessitates the performance of good works by its very nature.
The idea that baptism saves is explicitly found throughout Scripture, including in Romans chapter 6, which must, of necessity, inform one's reading of Romans chapter 10.
"It says nothing of baptism in this context."
That's because Paul told us everything baptism is and does just four chapters earlier, and he assumes his readership is intelligent enough to hold on to a thought that long.
When Lutherans say that baptism is "necessary" they do not mean that baptism is absolutely necessary. I somewhat agree with their argument, i.e. we should not assume salvation in contempt of the outward means of grace, and being unbaptized does cut one off from the visible church.
Likewise, we should not assume non-salvation when the outward means of grace are present, without some evidence to the contrary. In other words, we should assume that all or most children raised in the church go through a period of unbelief between reaching an "age of accountability" and making a decision for Jesus. Rather, we should assume it is the normal (but not universal) condition that those children raised in the church will have never disbelieved the gospel promises.
Also, the rituals are not "works", but a means by which the gospel promises are made. Eating, drinking, and being passively washed are not works.
That moment when people figure out Lutherans believe in baptismal regeneration, and there’s a scriptural and historical basis for it.
Wait, baptism saves?
Yes just read 1 Peter 3:20-21
@@ZuoCruz dude, have you never heard of the thief on the cross?
@@fightintheshade I don’t think he’s heard about the thief on the cross
Wait. So "faith alone" is not part of Lutheranism?
Apparently not this flavor of Lutheranism.
Read the whole text.
1 Peter 3:21 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Baptism saves, but not apart from an appeal to God for a good conscience, aka faith.
It's a spiritual baptism, not a water one that saves. He even clarifies it's not water baptism that saves.
Haha! This is the song that never ends...!
And it goes on and on, my friend
@@guywithcowonhead2066 Some people started singin' it, not knowing what it was...
And they'll continue singing it forever just because...
This is the song that doesn't end
Dueling proof texts
What I don't get is how you square this with salvation being by grace alone through faith alone.
Believers are to be baptized, of course, but since we are saved by faith, (and we know those who die after coming to faith, but before being baptized in water, are saved [like the thief on the cross]), then salvation via water baptism is a) redundant or b) an alternative way of salvation (since the only way said baptism could save is if the one being baptized is unsaved, i.e., does not have faith)
Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. The idea that "baptism saves" contradicts all three of those solas: sola gratia sola fide solo Christos. God bless.
It can't be squared. This is a symptom of theology>scripture. It's sad, but even the best of us fall for it. They should set aside the spirit of religion and walk in the Spirit Of God.
Satan is not the ruler of hell and no one is in hell yet.
Hans...this is brilliant, as a former Merican Evanjelly....this was amazing! The rest of the Bible ...awesome. My everyday as I transition out of Merican Evanjellyism this has been a discussion daily. Thank you
Lol the Zwingli part is hilarious.
-Your friendly neighborhood Catholic
I'm a Reformed Baptist and I found this hilarious!
My main prooftext would be Ephesians 2:8-9
Faith that contradicts what the Apostles say about Baptism is not Faith through which Grace saves.
Matthew 3:15 Jesus insisted that even John's baptism was fitting for them to fulfill all righteousness. A servant is not greater than his Lord.
Matthew 3:16 In baptism, the Father claims the Son. The Spirit rests on the Son.
Matthew 21:25 Mere water baptism is a gift from Heaven.
Matthew 28:19 Make disciples by baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and by teaching.
Mark 1:4 Mere water baptism repentance grants the forgiveness of sins.
Mark 16:16 Baptized believers are saved, unbelievers condemned.
Luke 7:29 Even water baptism is a public declaration that God is righteous.
Luke 7:30 Rejecting even mere water baptism = rejecting God's purpose for you.
John 1:31, 33 John knew beforehand that God would reveal the Christ through water baptism.
Acts 2:38 Repentance and water baptism in the name of Jesus = forgiveness and the Spirit.
Acts 2:39-41 3000 bachelors, virgins, wives, husbands, and children of all ages (family festival) *received forgiveness and the Spirit in water baptism.* The smallest can't have decided to repent in a mature way, but they were not excluded.
Acts 8 Many early church Bible readers saw a distinction between the Spirit's invisible gift of repentance/forgiveness and the Spirit's visible gift of leadership/ordination. Philip the Evangelist could baptize but not bestow spiritual authority. Only the apostles could do that.
Acts 10:47-48 Baptism in the name of Jesus is water baptism.
Acts 22:16 *Baptism washes away sins.*
Romans 6:3-5 *Water Baptism (Spirit baptism does **_not_** bury) is death to sin, death with Christ, newness of life in Christ, and resurrection with Christ.*
1 Corinthians 1:13 Baptism must not turn into hero worship, cliques, and factionalism.
1 Corinthians 12:13 Baptism is unity in the one Holy Spirit in Christ.
1 Corinthians 15:29 Even heretical baptism declares the resurrection of the dead.
Galatians 3:27-28 Baptism clothes every member of the body of Christ in equality.
Ephesians 3:5 There is one Spirit, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all.
Ephesians 5:26 *Baptism sanctifies the Church because it is the washing of water with the word.*
Colossians 2:11 Water Baptism is the Spiritual circumcision, the circumcision of Christ.
Colossians 2:12 Christ was buried. You were buried with Christ *in water baptism.* God raised Christ from the dead. You believe God raised Christ from the dead. Therefore, God raised you with Christ *in baptism.* This is all *God’s powerful work.*
Hebrews 6:1-2 *Baptism is a basic foundational teaching. You can't say you believe in Jesus while rejecting his basic teachings.*
1 Peter 3:20 Noah was saved by water, not from water. The flood waters washed away much evil.
1 Peter 3:21 Baptism now *saves you!* Baptism is assurance/demand of a good conscience before God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This verse summarizes all that has been said above.
Not reformed
The thief on the cross was a few hours away from dying and on a cross. If he were not, he would be sent to be baptized.