How Good is CAVALRY ONLY In Mount and Blade II: Bannerlord?
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The cavalrymen are not couching their lances, and also they spread out quite a lot when charging. They won't be very effective until the AI is improved.
I find that when cavalry is spread out, each guy tends to do more damage overall, but the couching is a huge problem, cav tends to also miss their targets alot.
Splitting is really a pain in the butt, esspecially if you dont organize your cavalry in different groups like 20 valandian knight to a key 20 aserai faris to an another key and micromanage them.
Yeah they seem inaccurate, when charging, accuracy should be a big deal for AI
not to mention that cavalry should not stay about and try to poke oyu they all thrust together ... do the strike getting distance turn around and charge all together again hit and run hit and run
Yes true. as well, from the vid, it seemed if he had cycle charged them immediately after each contact he would have gotten more use out of them. Soaking them in close combat roasted his own numbers to grizzle.
Cavalry miss most of their hits due to a bug, they can't couch their lances, and they really can't aim their spears if they use them. They are really bugged
yeah. i haven't seen them use secondary weapons like swords or maces on horseback like they did in warband, that's what allowed them to utterly crush enemies after a charge.
I've been hit by a couched lance by the ai before
Andrew Godly yeah me too and i have seen them switch weapons
I thought something felt off
Have the devs talked about this?
I’ve noticed that actually just commanding your cavalry to follow you proves to be better than just letting them charge so you can actually force them to cycle charge and not just stop in the middle of a crowd of troops.
Ive found that I have to pull them back to reorganize, there power is in that first hit, infantry is following right behind them, pull Cav back as infantry fights, charge again.
so the old F1 F3 tactic isnt working anymore?
@@loewensternYT more F1 F4 mixed with some charges. I find you just have to command cavalry directly more than horse archers. F4 with horse archers is deadly
Just play the Rohirrin charge song while charging in and cavalry only will get op every time
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I still miss a "brace formation" that allows spearmen to counterattack the cavalry charge. But it is good to know that infantry has value and is not useless. The more tactical the combat, the better.
A spear thrust to a charging horse will stop it dead in its tracks though
Missed that from warband mods
Try 500 imperial catafracts against 500 battanian spearman and see the result.
@G S Personally, I've learned to fear polearm infantry when i'm charging in with my lance couched. When I see a soldier coming at me with a spear, I turn back and take out my bow. They destroy your mount easy, and they're extremely accurate.
Hendrik Veerbeek yeah but say goodbye to your wrist though
Bannerlord cavalry charges are giving me blue balls everytime
its because they can't actually charge right if they crouch lanced or if the line of horses hitting a line had actually realistic damage then it would be better. the way it is they mostly have to fight in sustained combat which is not what you want
download the mod deadly horse charges
@@Toetech0 this
@@Toetech0 I was going to say that, with this mod horse charges are devastating
@@vucovix7 which mod?
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I use a mix of cavalry and horse archers: enemy AI doesn't form a square if it's hit by arrows
I use full horse archers, as long as I am on a field and my arrows last I only lose like 3 or 2 units in a 100 Vs 150 fight.
@@Halvtooth A combination works better because then you can have your horse archers ride around and then send in the cavalry and cycle charge them when the enemy doesn't form a square, becomes fractured and softened up. The cavalry will do more damage than your horse archers will when your horse archers run out of arrows. This is talking when you have over 100 units. Most troops I took out with 120 was an army of 400 or so Aserai. Lots of casualties yes, but the Aserai army was cooked. The cavalry are extremely good at making the enemy break ranks and flee.
Yeah, from the video you can see it. When the ennemy goes into a tight formation the losses are much greater than when the troops stay in line and all.
@@TheRockhound119 I use a mixt of horse archers with some lancers in the group and other group of cav only with lancer, usualy skirimish from the right flank (all archers shoot beter from their left side) an them charge with the cav, and them charge with the mixt of archer cav, works pretty good, and if u use some heavy infantery the ia usualy scaters too much and its pretty easy charge to them, with the two cav groups from behind or the flanks (sorry for my broke english)
@@antonicv88 precisely.
is it just me or are cavalry charges kinda not as great as they should be?
yeah, no couching yet.
Download a collision fix mod, cavalry will crush infantry like bugs, additionally a mod that multiplies the damage horses do and it feels really immersive
Well the comparaison he did is kinda unfair as vlandian knight are actually around half the upkeep of all the other unit he tested (max level standard tree).
Also the fact that horse tend to stick around and not flee in terror is kinda nerfing them since cavalery to cavalery impact just stop you
Because the ai doesn't fight properly, if you actually lead them around and cycle charge they are invincible.
@@spectrent really immersive?
Do you know how heavy humans are? Cavalry might crush one or two people before falling over. That is if it didn't break it's legs upon impact.
The cavalry is balanced enough as it is now. Why break it?
At most they need to fix lances. But that's all.
I recommend to download a mod "deadly horse charges" and "horse rebalance".
Horen
What did they do ?
@@Al4___ they make horse charges more realistic since right now an armored beast running over you only does like 4 damage
@@Angelchaser29 so true
Heavy cav is hugely nerfed compared to Warband. I see two problems here: inability to hit anything with lance (which was supposed to be fixed) and second, maybe even bigger - they don't switch to swords/maces if stuck after charge. 10-12 knights with maces if stuck in a mass od infantry could inflict huge losses before going down or be more likely to break out
that is strange, I've always had a lot of success with cavalry, but I never tried cavalry only though. but when used for flanking or to break formation they were extremely effective. however I'm kinda happy that cavalry only is not unbeatable, the fact that you need to to buy warhorses for higher tier units is also pretty cool. I just hope that if they ever add spear brace formation they also buff the cavalry.
A bit micromanaging, but cycle charging works best with cavalry. And form skein (F3-F6). Have cavalry standard-move order (F1) behind enemy formation to stay in formation and charge (F1-F3) only on the last few minutes, AI tends to split the formation if you charge from the get go. Once all my cavalry have full contact, I order to reform away from enemy and redo. Suffice to say, I'm up on a hill watching the entire thing and giving orders as a Lord is suppose to do.
A Lord does not send his men to battle. He leads them to Victory
Do the britanian wildings! Their huge shields should make a very interesting army and make enemy ranged units very useless. Great vids man 👍
I'd like to see Wildigns Batanian
I'm really wondering how they manage in battle, being the only accessible ranged Batanian unit (which can be massed)
At this point you can call any video thick and fast compilation seeing as you say it all the time :D
Don't know why you would feel shocked. They are shock cavalry after all.
The most fun and effective cavalry for me remains the khuzait horse archers as you just make them charge and they melt big armies like crazy. When you run out of arrows just retreat and go for another round. Took down 600 men army withonly 70 horse archers (they were khan's guard).
This is like cheating
They need to work on the unit cohesion of melee cavalry. The effect of a cavalry charge is in its mass of impact not an individual impact. They should move at a moderate speed in a wedge or line and about 100yds from the target they should open up to a full gallop. These broken cavalry charges are impotent compared to what a cohesive charge would be.
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Same, went back to play it on Warband just recently. Excited for the mods that will come
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Simone Guarise tbh third age warband was boring
@@DungTran-wq2dj you don't know what you are saying
Cavalry need to always follow you, and you lead them strike the outer edge of the enemy's formation. Charging into dense troops is suicidal.
cavalry is a skirmishing unit by nature. they dont charge in and stay in combat. to be most effective they are used in cycle charges against the sides and rear of the enemy. use infantry and archers to bait them into breaking formation and charging your lines, and use the follow command with your cav and repeatedly charge into their sides as they move.
The problem is people only know "Knight" tactics and don't remember that before, like during the sort of time period this game is set in, cavalry was never a core force.
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Knights were a core force and could stay in combat because they were basically tanks.
But ARMOR in bannerlord is next to useless as swords cut through the best armor like it's nothing.
@@andrejanastasovski1189 this game is set during a time when infantry armies were augmented by skirmisher screens and flanking cavalry. The (late tier) knights in this game are early proto knights and cataphracts that are not used remotely in the same way as a medieval knight.
@@ClockworkAnomaly Yes I realise that and very rarely use cavarly. Most of the time i charge them right before the infantry clashes so the enemy formation gets disrupted. But the cavarly is still really underpowered in the game. Cavarly shouldn't be very effective against tight formations as it already is but it isnt very effective against loose formation troops as well. Charge damage is basically non existant. Best i've done is 12-15. Imagine getting smacked by a horse with armor going full speed all your bones will be broken.
I think a big way to improve the cavalry only army is to put them into multiple different command squads. That way you can always have them on a flank and charge from different directions and have a few quick waves of charges. While one pulls out the other smashes in.
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I have noticed spears are very underwhelming in this game because of their small hit radious. Heavy cav with two handed weapons or axs would be better because swings are better. Atleast for smaller battles and seiges... i think you need to make a third video with either a mix of cav or 2h weapon cav. Still love the videos. The cinematics are great. But you gotta command more the ai is to dumb. Next unit. 2h weapon cav or All tribal warriors. Ive seen them to work especially online. Also do best multiplayer unit list!
Back 9 months later banner knights and champions get a sick new helmet and cavalry are pretty good now, they’re insane at breaking up a solid line, in preparation for a infantry charge
To amend a previous post, my 80 mounted troops consist of both horse archers and knights. SO, it's a free for all. Those circle formations are decimated by arrows, and then overwhelmed by the shock troops.
Ask for tightest formation ask follow and lead them 15-20 meters and give charge command for them to couch enemies. Give follow me command behind enemy lines but better retreat them lateraly command. Rinse and repeat , try also to couch together with them, take a couch lance. Try to flank them when they are many, go direct charge if they arent spearmen...
I just make my Cav follow me as I lead them from the flank. I would leap over spearmen to make sure I don't get stopped in my tracks. Easier this way than constantly pin pointing marks
You need to actually personally lead the cav on follow mode, ideally in skein formation. Cav will keep in tight formation, hit way more constantly, and actually break through enemy ranks and keep running, instead of stopping in the middle of the enemies (at least as long as that is what you do yourself). Their inability to hit a bloody thing also gets vastly reduced in this use case. You also need to actually pick your time when you charge into enemies and when you retreat, drawing them out of their braced positions and catching them unprepared on flanks, when moving etc. In general, cav is insane powerhouse when micromanaged, but very underwhelming when just left to AI. As someone who tends to play on horse, I don't mind that, as I lead cav personally anyway and get very good reward for actually micromanaging it, however, I would probably mind this fact a lot if I wanted to use cav in my army, yet I also wanted to be a footman myself.
I find as cav you have to charge, fall back, and charge again, rinse repeat. Can't let them get bogged down, and you have to keep them together.
Edit, also I like to seperate cav into multiple units. 1 unit charges, then have the other unit charge, as you regroup the first, rinse repeat.
I use 250 heavy cavalry (Mixed ofc but mostly vlandian banner) and 100 horse archers (Also mixed but mostly imperial) and im just slaughtering everything on my path including twice larger armies!! Just position heavy cavalry in the middle of the map and go harass them with horse archers that they will break formation and start charging so wait until their infantry is close to your heavy cavalry then order them to charge they will just run over the enemy without loosing anybody..
I think they should debug the cav, but I found out that they are actually more effective when used as they where historical : to disturb the opponent. For example, charging into infantry back while they are fighting your shield wall - they do immense damages at impact.
I use around 40-50 cav , 100 ranged and about 60 infantry. Pretty good balance except for seiges.
Great video , maybe you can test 1000 battaniens riders ?
There's a proper way of using Vlandian heavy cavalry. My Vlandian character has a personal guard of about 10 banner knights that he takes everywhere he goes but they NEED infantry support.
1: pick them apart with your archers
2: establish contact with melee infantry in a shield wall
3: set cavalry in a skein and tell them to follow you so they don't stop and hack with a sword. Charge into the enemy line's flank and they almost always break formation and retreat
4: set all units to chase down routed enemies.
Heavy cavalry is for shock and awe, they are most effective at ravaging enemy morale
Flanking that is what makes cav so effective. They flank quicker and more effectivly than other unit types.
The cavalry isn't staying in formation or using crouched lances in their charges, so they are't using their mass or weapons to their full effect. When I play I do a hammer and anvil or time an infantry charge immediately following a cav charge and push the cavalry out the backside, I usually lead the cavalry myself to make it easier and never let my cavalry get bogged down. The cavalry takes a lot more micromanaging to be effective at this point in ai.
I'd love an updated answer :) I'm sure a lot's changed since!
I like the calvary in the game because they are support units used for cycle charging which historically was their use
This is why a heavy cav comp w/imperial palatine guards(some form of high level bowman), is exceptionally difficult to deal with. You rain arrows on a stationary wall until they break formation, then you flank with cav.
I find that a Cav only army is much more effective if you always give the follow order at the beginning and attack the sides of an army rather than charging the center. Charging the weaker flanks and shearing down their numbers opens them up for a devastating charge down the center. It also helps to split your army into 2 groups (I set banner knights/elite cataphracts as cav and valandian vanguards as infantry) so you can send one group behind the enemy while keeping the enemy focused on your main force in front.
I have a majority of cav and cav archers and a smaller elite inf force. The presence of inf forces the AI to prepare for an inf battle while my cav picks off and dwiddles the enemy force. Also having that inf group makes your delegate command AI smarter because they want to act as a support cav role, not a main army role. So they use smarter more effective tactics.
I find that melee cavalry tend to get boged down in a sea of infantry after charges and just gets rekt.
Their lances are useless in close combat and they just get so many hits they get perma stunned.
It's realistic in a way, but the cav might need a bit of improvement in AI
@Zwenk Wiel They will end up there eventually if left to their own devices
and the ai tends to just send the whole army in a lump.
A mix of cavalry and horseback archers would be pretty sick. Use the archers to whittle them down a bit then use the heavy cavalry to break the formation. Use the archers to flank and cause chaos. Then use both to cut down stragglers.
try the "Troop Collision and siege tower and castle stairs fix" mod. It will put bigger distance between troops so they don't bunch up like that. Those unrealistic tight formations could be the reason they block your cav so effectively
Siege battle with calvary only is cursed
you should include hideouts in you're test. since those are a pain so knowing whats good for those is.. good.
For hideouts basically for steppebandits/forest bandits i would recommend high tier ranged units. So battanian fians champions. Make sure u put units with large shields in the top of ur party list since u cant pick ur troops. And put them in shieldwall to tank some of the arrows. And use a bow urself while sniping them from behind cover. This method allows me to take out bandit camps with 40 people in it. Mountain bandits and sea raiders. Its shield units cos of there javis if u give ur companions. a bow shield/sword they do pretty good. But no sweat if u get some high tier ranged units offc. but some of these enemies do have shields so its less effective.
I had a thought: What about an army made of troops you borrow during the "Train these troops up" quests you can get from settlements? For instance, would it be worth taking as many of those quests at once as possible, or even ignoring the quest itself? I'm pretty sure when I first had one of those quests fail on me it didn't immediately remove the troops from my party so if they're any good it could be a cheap way of gaining some men.
Also just wanted to say I love the video. I had been curious as to how potent the Cav could be in its current state, since it seems to hang around a bit too much after each charge unless extensively mircomanaged
I don't think you can take more than one of that quest at a time. Maybe a mod could remove that limitation or you could just use a mod or console to give yourself borrowed troops.
@@AhuizotlXiuh once you fail the quest you keep the troops so you could make an army of them
@@aidanallen1976 And the battanian ones may turn into the noble line too xD , so that could be a very strong strat.
I use an army of Banner Knights only, and with only 50, we take out armies of hundreds. However I do micro manage my men. I pull them out after each charge and send them again after setting up a good position.
cav is nasty in this game if you use hammer and anvil strategy
I've noticed from my own experience that the crouch lance and miss even wen on target (bug I think) and only certain cav can crouch lance which is new compared to launch. But cav is very situational and can win you a fight of a much larger force if you have infantry to back them up. I always use my cav from the sides or rear after mopping up the enemies own cav, and I only do this before and infantry charge while underfire from xbow men and archers as they work as a great distraction. They also really suck in a siege and is one of the bigger losses I take compared to other troops which is suprising because of there armour, weapons and stats.
Put your cavalry in shield wall formation before charging.
Dont ever have them folllow you while in that formation otherwise they get in the way of each other.
Then ask them to charge. after charging take them out of formation and regroup, reform away from the infantry.
Rinse and repeat.
Dont let your cav stay in melee for too long. And alway stay in a group.
They should drastically buff cavalry (both charge and melee damage) but implement a countermeasure like the brace mechanic and damage taken if the horse dies on fast speeds.
I used realistic battle mod with bannerlord difficulty
By using a combo of vlandia’s best horses, best imperial horses and the best horse archers…
Pretty much never lost… Rarely even had troops get knocked out
updated info just did a custom battle 500 banner knights vs 500 pikemen in shieldwall and square formations and they barely lost 20 against 500 sargents they won without casualties. massed pikemen are supposed to counter cavalry its why the sqare formation was invented and used untill the cavalry became tanks.
People point out bugs of calvary. But its also better to use calvary in mixed arms tactics. Hitting flanks, rears, and the archers in the back lines. Effective maneuvering, placement, and speed are essential for shock calvary which are the vlandians knights basically. You could field mass Sturgian calvary and would fair much better for when they get knocked off their mount. But they suffer against other calvary and khuzait mounted archers. Etc etc, cataphract would also excel.
Heavy cavalry really can't be left to the sergeants to manage. They need to be withdrawn completely and reformed in repeated cycles otherwise their formation breaks up and they charge as individuals rather than a massed unit. It is only when you micro them that they become unbeatable. Break them into two command units so you can charge one from a different direction while the other reforms. In this arrangement, an all cavalry army will defeat even 'undefeatable' archer armies.
that is UNEXPECTED result considering original game but realy nice video to undertand cavalry problems.
To see how effective it is look at Khuzait on campaign map. They are beating up raging war in parallel with Sturgians and all sort of Empire.
Use cavalries equipped with swinging weapons instead of stabbing or crouch lancing weapon and see for yourself. Basically Roman Legionary on horse back.
if history is anything to go by horses are a support class to the fronline much like archers, they are meant to sneak behind and kill soft targets or disrupt crucial attakcs, not smash through the frontlines
I found cavvalry army works best when you have mix half heavy cavalry, half horse archers, so either khuzaits, or go multi-culti
Same ive taken on and beaten an army of 700 imperial men, with 150 mixed cav, on realistic only settings, by the end i still have 60 or so left.
Maybe one could stretch the meaning of Cav only and have a even split of Cav and Cav Archers. I find if you can skirmish a little it helps keep the enemy infantry from forming big clumps and forcing your cavalry into sustained mosh pits where charges go to die. Having to fight the Khuzait a lot has made me field a huge army of cavalry to catch their armies, so having a strong Archer Cav is key.
Tbh did a run cav only once you have 50 heavy knights there really wasn't anything that could stop it in the end did supplement it with horse archers because that makes ai do strange formations
As in every RTS micromanaging the cav is the key to success. You can split your cav into several units that u can command and give way more orders to circle charge etc.... i mean since the invention of the pike, straight forward cav charges, haven´t been a good idea. So would you consider showing us your doomstack mastery by making it work...Show us some rear charges, manually cycle charge different units of cav, etc...? I would watch it.
I role with a full horseback Imperial army. Half are Horse Archers, and the other half are Cav
I have mostly cavalry only, but I mix Vlandians with Khuzan and I have a little infantry force acting like a little tank in the square formation, so my cavalry gets to attack behind the enemy more easily.
Its quite sad because the deadly charge mod shouldn't have to be a thing, like ik its not supposed to be hyper realistic but a horse in heavy armour or just a naked horse hitting you at like 40mph is gonna do more than 3 fucking damage lol it should be a base game mechanic for cav charges to kill and do a shit ton of dmg
seriously though a 1800 object charging 40mph can just kill a man outright yet in the game it is like they just stubbed a toe.
I a solitwly love vlandia. Will totally play as them as soon as my new pc arrives.
Me I use a mix of Mostly archers/crossbows to rain hell, then a fair amount of shielded infantry. then With Cav i go for enemy cav first while their infantry/archers are still moving up, then i let the infantry clash with mine, them ofc using shield wall. Me and cav go take out archers and charge the infantry in the back. battle is over within 2 mins, and a route normally happens when Cav charge in, in the rear. =)
I think army with Khuzait Heavy Horse Archers and Vlandian Banner Knights would be ideal for open battle on a field
Holding them on loose and follow increases their chance to actually hit and not get stuck in eachother and you can pull them out more easily
I remember in Warband my army of 25 knights could beat anything we came up against
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The thick and fasts are coming in thick and fast :p
I use like 80-85% Cav, and the rest horse archers. Skirmish with horse archers and eventually the enemy will be forced to charge, then send in cav.
What if you use the tried and trusted method of stand closer + follow me and then just joust through the enemy lines and get your cavalry to comb though them, get some distance, make them hold and repeat until Calradia is yours?
This man understands the unwritten rule looter group bigger than 30 you charge those mofos
Cavalry should be used from the flank or rear. I split them in 2 send them either side of the enemy, get my archers to pin the infantry down. Then charge cavalry before pressing f4 on the archers(not sure if friendly fire is a thing) then f1, f2 the cav on me and F4 the archers again(no more shield wall). One charge normally breaks them then my infantry F1, F4 till face to face with the enemy archers then all charge.
Just recently I had 75 banner nights in a normal campaign and iversed an army of 700 versus my 260 Max difficulty and it was incredible. It came down to the wire. My '75 bannonites killed 300 troops. The army had pretty much no cavalry and a s*** ton of range. So I snuck my cavalry behind their main lines pretty far away so they couldn't get shot. Can my archers on the right side to Target the shields and sent my infantry in shield mode? Just waiting. I ended up winning by myself at the end. My archers killed pretty much I killed just shy of 100 and my infantry picked up the rest. Incredible
you need to use follow command or to position command to prevent them from stuck inside enemies
if you were to do a cav only you should be splitting them into 2 or 3 units and charging from multiple sides, you also need to micro it.
If you let the sergant's A.I. take care of it, they might do a better job because they'll know when to attack, when to skirmish and when to retreat. When they charge they just attack, attack, attack and get stuck in the troops in a really disorganised way.
Can you do one on sturgian veteran warriors? They are my favorite units. Love the series.
You gotta set them to follow you and lead each individual charge. Otherwise they'll just stand next to the enemy and get slaughtered
The cav ai is stupid but honestly in this eras warfare, infantry was the backbone. If cav just charges in on shield wall the casualties to horse and rider from spearmen would be devastating. Alot of times infantry would march towards one another, archers would take shots from both sides at range until their own men were at risk of being hit and when the infantry first clash, casualties were usually low. Literally just shield walls where the opposing infantry tries to poke at each other to make some kind of hole. Where cav was used most successfully was trying to flank the opposing shield wall and making it collapse so that their infantry can push forward. Also if a gap was made during the clash of infantry vs infantry, calvary could push through and cause havoc behind the opposing line. If an army was able to successfully do either of these it usually meant victory. An all calvary army would just not be successful in a head on clash with infantry. If push came to shove the infantry would just put itself into a circular formation with their spears braced behind their shields and a melee cav couldn't approach without loss of horse. Calvary realistically would be used to flank an opposing army bearing down on yours, chasing after routed armies or performing short range charges and fallbacks on the edges of the enemy army.
We need some love for the Aserai in the series. Maybe the Faris cav can do better, because they have throwing weapons aswell. Or the Mameluke Guards.
To be most effective with cavalry you can't just F3 them like the Mounted Archers.
To keep them in formation, stop them from getting swarmed, and make sure their charge is reaching maximum speed; Always use F2 and have them Follow Me as you charge into the front-lines and push all the way through!
The rest of your thunderous horde will sweep through them like a hammer.
That 600 Cav charge was basically a Dothraki Horde, except shitty.
Looks like cavalry AI for Vlandia in particular need improvement as they don't always use "couch lance" when they charge from long distances.
Just the impact of a horse throttling into someone should do more damage than just 5-6.
Running that hard into someone would hurt the horse too.
MAN, your comment, it's just so good, you describe it accurately and so entertaining.
Cavalry was so effective in Warband because the AI was too stupid to pull the spear off their back to stop charges. In Bannerlord they act like real people, if they see a knight charging them they go "oh shit" and pull out the one thing that will save them. I like it, personally.
Honestly their good in flanking which as a default idea because you know the troop a lot of troops got spears. Even though the AI cant couch just the sheer impact of them distracts them while ranged pick em off and infantry pick off the poor AI that always is distracted. Plus once you destroy a couple of armies the AI cant rebuild their army to ave their lives. It's like the movie 300 except full of recruits, volunteers and other low tier trash. The cav as is is does not need the couch when your stabbing through like 200 recruits. Heck just having like 40 bowmen can destroy a cavalry charge (Player only).
i think that if the caverly is more together and is player conntrolled they may be able to do more damage.
As the AI build stands now cavalry are limited to a support role only. Their strength lies in charges from the flanks or rear. Using archers or footmen to force aggro so a flank is possible is key. Frontal charges are broken. I keep about 25 horsemen for every 100 troops and it seems to keep me in god mode no matter what I face.
Vlandian heavy spear on an asari horse seems like the best way to fight in open field.
During a siege using a lvl 6 two handed axe, haha.
A group of Vlandian banner knight cav + Sturgian huscarl inf seems like the best army.
I have about 80 mounted troops out of my 144 total. Most of those troops are leveled up to their highest level. And I ended up taking down an army of 410 soldiers, who were mostly infantry.
You can't just tell archers or infantry to do whatever and expect good results. Positioning, formations and maneuvering is important, and it's no different for cavalry. Splitting cavalry into two formations and charging from different sides before retreating and reforming for a 2nd charge would solve all the issues cavalry had in this episode. One formation would always be charging from the back and so spears would be half as effective at best against you.
It's all about maximizing the number of attacks you make. A charge has you damaging several enemies from horse damage and spear thrusts. But once on the ground you only have your spear and you're easily surrounded by a blob of enemies, it's impossible for cavalry to adopt an effective stationary defensive formation.
By retreating and charging repeatedly you minimize the enemy's opportunities to attack you and ensure you're always playing to your strengths rather than fighting on the least favorable terms.
one word: underwhelming
They are bugged in the game. There's mods that fix it already.
The ai makes them crap but if you put them on follow command and you lead the charge they will perform far better even without mods
Underwhelming?
I think they're quite balanced as they are.
They already do a huge morale drop upon a charge. Asking for much more would just make them OP like warband
What's underwhelming is resonant's f1 f3 and not commanding them properly.
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They should be slightly OP considering Calvary in real life was pretty OP well
@@RestitutorEuropa Not that OP. They were only used in specific circumstances in medieval times.
The fact that you can charge these horses directly into a formation of troops in this game already makes them stronger than real life.