Tavi is one of my former students! I am so proud of her for being so successful at such an early age! Kudos to her for knowing her worth and having a voice that young girls will listen to! You are a true role model!
All she is saying in this lecture is that our entertainment industry has been actively flattened the persona of women into two dimensional characteristics. She brilliantly said that, "women are complicated...not because women are crazy, but because people are crazy, and women happen to people." To those who think she is trying to advocate only on the behalf of women in our society, you probably missed the fact that she ascribed this complex characteristic to all people. Note, all people. Ultimately, she just wants society to treat women as people, instead of some artificially shaped cardboard cutouts that only conform stereotypical categories.
Please stop your fixation with the judgements based on her looks, and try to for once listen to what this young brilliant individual has to say about a sickness that plagues us all.
@@chasyen5945 i dotn really see how this is a sickness that plagues everybody and i know this was years ago and things have changed but society doesnt and hasnt for a while now treated women like an artificial personality. and that wasnt a very brilliant line at all cause no one says all women are crazy and i dont know why all people are crazy either.
Wow, I give this girl a lot of props. She is incredible. Reaching out to thousands of teens and making a difference, that is what matters. Encouraging teenage girls to stand up for themselves and to ask questions and admit that they are 'still figuring it out' is what is most important out of everything she is doing here. Who cares what feminism means in her context or what her fashion taste is or that her talk was a little all over the place? What you've learned is that this girl is touching the lives of thousands of other teens and creating a community for them, where they can be supported and encouraged to be themselves.
I can't get over how wise and insightful Tavi Gevinson is at such a young age, I can't even imagine being so aware of the world so young. I really admire her and Rookie is literally one of my favourite websites to ever exist. Ever.
I find it very disappointing that much of the conversation on this video is not about her ideas and what she was trying to say. People immediately latched on to the fact that one of her ideals is feminism and proceed to attack feminism. I haven't seen anyone talking about what she wanted you to take away from the video (a.k.a figure it out). To be unapologetic about your flaws, and to work and grow to change them. She does state that Rookie (her online magazine) is not aiming for this weird "WOW IM SO EMPOWERED HEAR ME ROAR NOW" ideal but to that find yourself and knowing who you are is what is important. To say that you think feminism isn't needed is a case of ignorance in my opinion that I would be happy to openly discuss and talk about.
started the gossip girl reboot and its kinda wild knowing how young tavi actually is, like shes literally younger than some of the teens of the show but she plays a teacher so well
I don't understand why there is such a huge stigma attached to feminism. Feminism isn't LOOK AT ME I AM A WOMAN I AM STRONG I DON'T NEED YOU it's like what she says in the video, every person is different and complex and we should embrace that "even if she is a woman". Also if a woman wants to be I AM A WOMAN I AM STRONG AND I DON'T NEED YOU it's not because she's a feminist bitch, its because she can be whoever she wants to be.
There's a group of extremist feminist who twisted the meaning of feminism and because of the controversy and uproar they cause they get the most media attention and gladly profiting from it. They are promoting a skewed form of feminism that is severely anti-anything-they-brand-as-sexist (which is almost anything that can be even remotely interpreted as such). By doing this they hurt the actual cause of feminism and cause a counter-productive where people misinterpret feminism and push themselves away from the flawed arguments and hypocrisy these people display. But really the media are to blame for this, giving the wrong people a voice just in the hopes of putting more oil on the fire creating traffic in the process.. This girl understands feminism much more than they do. Don't reduce yourself to a flat personality that only sees things from that single biased perspective and always tries to fit it in that single sexism box.
***** One thing of my past is when I told an individual that I was a feminist they began shouting and every comment thereafter that I said they told me to shut up and just not speak. I don't owe an explanation to anyone but, I did try to explain that what he seen or heard about feminism is a misrepresentation of every feminist in general. I believe in equality amongst all people of any gender. It's not about gender roles though some roles may be likely to be performed by a certain gender but if that doesn't much to you then it doesn't need to apply to you. I say do whatever makes you happy or you feel is right but have limits, values, and morals. I'm more pious than most so God has and always will play the biggest role in my life and my decisions and I do whatever will make him happy.
This young woman gives me hope. I'm an old guy who also likes Stevie Nicks and I also hope beyond her entertaining Stevie had given young women the courage to be themselves.
You are an amazing young woman! Your message is powerful for females of all ages. I am passing on your video to my teacher friends who will pass along your message. Congratulations!
Such an intelligent, articulate, inspirational woman. I wish I'd known you when I was your age, you articulated a lot of what I was struggling with. The world is lucky to have you, and a better place with you in it.
The comment section on this video is the "why" she engaged to have a speech on TEDx Talks. Everyone who's saying her statement is stupid, remeber its HER STATEMENT not yours therefor you dont have to disfavor her intelligence because you dont understand it.
Tavi is humble and lovely and brilliant. Even at 29, I find her perspective enlightening to hear and understand, once more, how complex it is to be a woman -- a person, really. I wish I comprehended at her age that you don't have to figure "it" out and never really can. All you have to do is do the best you can and live truthfully to others and your own dignity. She is a force, and her parents must be so damn proud.
I'm so happy that your views are so objective and open. Gosh, it's hard to believe that your perspective can be that of a teenager! Excited to show my teenager!
I love Tavi so much.. She's such an inspiration for teen girls. Her TED talk was not only funny and inspiring but also empowering. I wish more teens could hear and understand her message..
Please do not take this in a condescending way but I am so proud of you as a 28 year old woman who is still figuring it out!! Bravo!!!! You give me the courage to figure it out my way! Much blessings!! Inshahallah!
How can you possibly dislike this video? I am so impressed by Tavi, she is truly an inspiration to girls her age and older (I am 23!). An incredible woman that will continue to influence the way women are portrayed in our culture and how young women digest/make sense of this information.
"She's been unapologetic about her flaws and about reconciling all of her contradictory feelings." - Tavi Gevinson Yeah it seemed like this entire talk wasn't really so much about having integrity to your values, taking responsibility for your problems, or defining good standards of values and holding yourself to them like good human beings should... it sounds more like it was about just doing whatever you feel is okay at the time and accepting it without reflection or self-criticism.
***** Thanks man, cause I had no idea. I did try, but my male brain just wouldn't focus. I've notice that lately when two or more females are talking to each other, and I'm in earshot... my brain seems to turn off my hearing. I think it is a recent evolutionary development for our survival. A feminist can't get mad at you when she asks "What do you think about that...?", and I can honestly say, 'nothing'. Unfortunately I've been wrong before, and nothing saved me.
It bewilders me that there might be men (and occasionally women, but mostly men) on here railing against Tavi's talk. She's basically just saying basic things about "think for yourself, explore your feelings, discuss things with your peers", that are equally as true for women AND men. How could you not at least respect her as a person? How can you feel threatened and angry about her? Just seems strange.
These days folks of my age, (old) see much that causes us to despair over what we see from the young. This young person gives us some relief, seeing in her age group that there are some who are thoughtful with truly fine minds.
I think the problem is that kids are turning to the media for guidance rather than receiving proper guidance from home. That's why you need this. Otherwise the portrayal of a character becomes important in your life. Values of people have shifted and it becomes nearly impossible to 'find' yourself these days.
I'm also 15 and i'm a guy, and watching this, is just awesome i guess... It's important that someone says that it's completly normal to be insecure and other things when your a teenager. I'm not a prodigy but it's really cool to see intelligent teens these days :)
She is such a great role model, and not in the form of, "Oh, I have to dress liek her" or so on. In the sense that she knows what to say, and good advice to give. She makes me feel liek it is okay to be msyelf, and take chances. Thank You Tavi.
I need feminism because just reading the comments below reminds me that the human race has not yet progressed to the point of treating a young female speaker as they would have perhaps treated a young male. If you're wondering what I mean then simply scroll down.
Girl, this is not gender based. It's commonplace on the internet and especially RUclips to just hate on people. It's a reaction often founded in jealousy. Try to identify when something is actually because of gender or just because people see something they can attack. I do not say feminism isn't important or needed. I think it is, but make sure you don't pull it too far out of it's context and understand there are many other influences and factors playing a role into the bad behaviour of groups. Sexism isn't the only problem in the world, nor is it the biggest cause for malicious behaviour. Keep that in mind!
loveandlucky3 Jacob Barnett got a similar response. Maybe girls could stop whining and realise that they will be criticized and lied to in their lives, boys go through the same thing.
what an insightful, articulate and bright 16 year old! amazingly down to earth and realistic in her own views and stance in that they are ever changing and that others should think for themselves.
I'm glad to see this. This culture is in desperate need of a dose of unapologetic honesty. Boys could use the same kind of forum. It seems to me that the more vulnerable is, the more connective one is. But to grow and mature, one must be allowed to be vulnerable and honest. Nice work!
She is literally perfect. I understand that the point of this is that no woman is perfect, and we have so many different complications, but her deep understanding of that IS what makes her perfect. I'M IN LOVE.
What a lovely talk, really felt like Tavi is speaking some truth out there and it is wonderful there are more likeminded girls as well. Though I too feel like there isn´t a need to say "feminist", you are a strong leader even without that word.
After watching this video, I scrolled down to see what the comments--public--had to say about her words. Honestly, I wasn't surprised, but that doesn't mean it wasn't astonishing. The words being used were said some a long time ago and some recently, but all with the same meaning. We, the world, discussed feminism, teenagers, etc. But one thing we failed to note was what this video brought to us. We always state our opinions and our beliefs. But, sometimes we fail state the good we get out of life. I must say, the bad was brought up multiple times, and to my surprise was supported. I know people go on and on about it's a new world--which is true--but yet it's filled with the same people. Feminism isn't always what Google tells us is, nor is it what we believe it to be. Feminism is what we make it to be, which is quite different from multiple perspectives. Being a teenager--young adult--is really a huge deal. Adults all have gone through their teenage years, we all go through them. Adults aren't some special kind of breed that everyone has to get to be considered special or worthy. Teenagers may not have the science of the brain that the traditional people believe you must have, but we have something more. And, I must put, much bigger. We are growing, our brains our actively transforming us, and we get to view the world in several stages. Why do we read articles by adults about teens? Because that is what is offered, but adults are not someone to always be looked upon. Currently in our teenage years we get to experience the world from so many perspectives. Such as: Societies, Educations, Friends, Adults, etc. But most importantly, we get to view it for ourselves. When we become adults what happens to us? Do we fall under the standard and become someone the society considers worthy? I believe that teenagers have something larger to bring to the table then any adult could... And that is, the world from a perspective that is still forming and still becoming. We shouldn't have to be complete to have something worth sharing, we should be grateful for the moments where we are transforming and changing. Because those are the moments that will mold who we are as adults, or will blossom us as we move to adulthood, but will leave us with something more. Now, I don't disagree or agree with all the views that are posted underneath this video. But all I do know, is that the world has so many perspectives... So why should we judge, when we can learn and become of it. So, yes, I'm a teenager. And I'm proud to be one.
No matter how one might try to spin it, flaws are negative. The importance of recognizing flaws is not to see them as positives but to understand that everyone has them and that it is ok for anyone one of us to make mistakes and not beat ourselves up over them. Specially, when you are a high school-age girl.
"What makes a strong female character is a character who has weaknesses, who has flaws, who is maybe not immediately likeable." Strangely enough, this is an accurate description of Catwoman, who was just a minute ago listed as a bad example of a female character.
Msl LogYt Catwoman lies, steals, has known to be a con artist, even homicidal, is mostly indifferent to the problems of society, has very little regard for the law, has been portrayed as mentally unstable, has trust issues, does not get along well with people, and is sometimes a vandal. Of course there is much much more to Catwoman than that, but all of those things fit 'weaknesses, flaws, and maybe not immediately likeable' quite well.
Mark Arandjus She is explaining that Catwoman or Catwoman type characters (ex. playing up their sexuality like she said) are portrayed as one or two dimensional characters, and that influences the media and society and how people think women are, (one dimensional and flat) when in actuality they aren't.
+Claire Adler Of course your impression of a character is one-sided if you haven't bothered to explore that character. Goes for all characters. Your claims are based on assumptions. I agree that your claims are correct for many characters, but Catwoman is reasonably multifaceted.
Well good for you! It's nice to know there are people like you who are quick to condemn her before even listening. I hope you have many beautiful daughters one day.
Wow did anyone actually hear anything she said or are we just going to continue to follow the Mean Girls crowd and tear her down based on what she looks like? This kind of mindset is exactly what's causing the problem. Grow up.
This girl is just wow, I think alot of us younger girls can relate, but I don't think I'd have the strengh to elevate myself like she does- its truly inspiring.
I thought her talk was elaborate and she's bringing out a lot of good points about what women are. I hope she keeps going that way, we need more people who challenge our preconceived notions of what is X and Y, like Tavi.
Your comment is about her appearance and than accuses her of doing drugs... Completely irrelevant and proves the point that strong outspoken women will always be dismissed for one thing or another that doubts their credibility or reduces them to "a pretty face."
Kristen Saucier Your assumption of the motivation of such a comment shows that those who which to decrease the spread and deepness of assumption-prejudice and prejudice itself will only do nothing but heighten it.
I'm not saying that they sat down and said "how can I undermine women?" However that's what comments like that do. So feel free to say that I'm increasing prejudice when I'm calling someone out on an irrelevant comment that undermines a woman.
Kristen Saucier come on now kristen lol. when i said she was cute, i wasn't even really taking about her looks, but she is pretty. she seems very intelligent and witty and cool as well. i like her. Also, it's clear you just don't know what smoking dubes looks like, or you would just agree with me. no negative connotation there, i bet she'd be fun to smoke a joint with
I don't believe so. Feminism seems much more like an umbrella term now. It's basically the belief in equality between men and women. But it can be a lot of other things. Some people use it to say women are more powerful. I don't think that is what feminism is. That is matriarchy to me. I consider myself a feminist, but I'm not screaming about how women are better. I want equality. Equal pay, no rape culture or victim blaming, no sexual objectification. But this of course applies to every gender! Tavi is beautiful and is very smart and sees feminism in a really neat way.
***** I have to admit, I've never heard a feminist talk about equal pay, rape culture to account for BOTH genders, usually it's just used to try and victimize women. Respect.
***** What is the difference between a Civil Rights Activist and a Feminist? When you have the answer, ask yourself why you call yourself a feminist. Feminism focuses on the position of women, not both genders...Why not call yourself and Equalist or Egalitarian instead?
A rare and real individual! I think she has, what they used to call in Hollywood, 'it'. I like that by just being who she is, makes you want to know more about who she is. I think she is brave for being so young, and so willing to share her thoughts whist figuring it out! Plus,she has her own unique fashion style. She is interesting and I like her!
You don't have to be wearing Moschino to be a fashion blogger, or even be in the 'latest' trends. If you look at some of the most influential people within the industry - many of them dressed/ dress in a way which the mainstream does not relate to automatically, for example, magazine editor and stylist Isabella Blow, or renowned fashion illustrator Julie Verhoeven. She is quite clearly a success at what she does, besides all that nonsense - I was not looking at her physical appearance but rather listening to her well articulated points, a very very intelligent and tuned in young girl.
you don't even know any more what a feminist is... not to speak of an authentic human... so wrapped up in terms and boxes by trying to break them. The more you talk about it the more it becomes a (intellectual) problem! Just be!
***** Apparently being white and male is a sin to a lot of feminists. For people chanting for equality they're all ready getting it by discriminating against everything remotely white and male, we don't even need to fix any right issues how convenient.
Since I am white are you going to tell me to "Check my privilege" well I have, and I haven't raped or owned a slave. Ok maybe my parents. Nope same there. OH My grandfather of course. The one that had their entire family killed in front him because he was Jewish. He was a white male, should he check his privilege. How about you check your privilege and realize that everyone is discriminated against at some point. It's a bitter fucking world and you should learn that before it comes around and hurts you. I had anxiety and depression since I was a child because I was bullied for being a "Stupid fucking Jew," nor was I crying about it on tumblr and facebook because "I am a girl and I got discriminated against so I demand equal rights" and I know it can feel like that but there are plenty of white men in the same position you are (if you've been raped not so much, and I'm really sorry that happed to you but I know white men who have been raped). I've moved on from that and grown to be more cynical and mature. So next time you type "Check your privilege" think about it.
Tavi is really smart and she used her talent in something else than fashion (not that it's a bad thing I mean she has many talents!) and gave hope to young women. She's 4 years younger than me but i have SO much admiration for her and her work.
She is still very young. Eccentric people are naturally difficult to relate to. I was never a fan of her fashion taste but I admired her precociousness and passion for writing on the subject.
isn't it? I'm utterly speechless bcuz I usually just enjoy reading Cliffs Notes quotes on the side, but that one has me blown away, BB! Good job fer being a 'creative' writer G58, luv ya!
She is rather witty for someone who is still working though highschool. She is already a published author, and editor. I think she will do just fine in life.
im super impressed by this girl. im a 20 year old guy who this doesn't really relate much to... but keep up the work. when I was 15 I spent my time lighting things on fire and playing video games
It's not being really *just* about "intelligent", it's also about being hardworking, dedicated, tenacious and passionate. Let that sink in. Your friends aren't famous, because they aren't working for it. Sure entering the right market at the right time is part of it. But if you aren't even doing research into entering a market, if you aren't curating & creating or working on getting hits- you aren't going to get anywhere. It's the entire package, so don't compare just one element of it.
It doesn't matter how good you are, you will still be criticized. In fact if you want to avoid hate and criticism do nothing, say nothing, BE nothing! i stand for Tavi, not because shes "in" or whatever, she inspires me cause of her genuine and strong mature personality which is something you don't see in youth nowadays!...Oh and I don't know her exact age according to wiki shes 16! but if she's is younger, well, shes even more impressive.
This was really wonderful! I had no idea that this was where rookie came from, and I'm glad I know now! It's such a great site and has helped me deal with a few issues as I move from being "legally a teenager" to "legally an adult". :)
I think that its great that you're not dictating answers to young girls, but rather encouraging self-search. It's actually pretty revolutionary. I think the next step though is to let go of the "isms".
This lassie talks a lot of sense. Most importantly, she's grasped the fundamental truth that girls and women are PEOPLE. This immediately puts her ahead of a large proportion of the world. :D But yeah, it's all about the fact that we're ALL just human beings, figuring it out. It's not about being always right, it's about being equally human. More power to her elbow! :) From a feminist who's turning 40 this year. :)
ive only just seen this vid and seen you for the first time , and i loved it , like what you are doing and fully agree with everything you presented in this vid!
Both of your comments to me are really insightful and helpful. I was hoping for someone to point me in a direction on this since I am so uneducated about it and really want to understand it more. Thanks a bunch!
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Tavi is one of my former students! I am so proud of her for being so successful at such an early age! Kudos to her for knowing her worth and having a voice that young girls will listen to! You are a true role model!
All she is saying in this lecture is that our entertainment industry has been actively flattened the persona of women into two dimensional characteristics. She brilliantly said that, "women are complicated...not because women are crazy, but because people are crazy, and women happen to people."
To those who think she is trying to advocate only on the behalf of women in our society, you probably missed the fact that she ascribed this complex characteristic to all people. Note, all people. Ultimately, she just wants society to treat women as people, instead of some artificially shaped cardboard cutouts that only conform stereotypical categories.
Please stop your fixation with the judgements based on her looks, and try to for once listen to what this young brilliant individual has to say about a sickness that plagues us all.
Chas Yen No.
@@chasyen5945 i dotn really see how this is a sickness that plagues everybody and i know this was years ago and things have changed but society doesnt and hasnt for a while now treated women like an artificial personality. and that wasnt a very brilliant line at all cause no one says all women are crazy and i dont know why all people are crazy either.
@@cowblob6539 idk but her speech was very nice tho
Wow, I give this girl a lot of props. She is incredible. Reaching out to thousands of teens and making a difference, that is what matters. Encouraging teenage girls to stand up for themselves and to ask questions and admit that they are 'still figuring it out' is what is most important out of everything she is doing here.
Who cares what feminism means in her context or what her fashion taste is or that her talk was a little all over the place? What you've learned is that this girl is touching the lives of thousands of other teens and creating a community for them, where they can be supported and encouraged to be themselves.
Gosh she's about my age and she's so intelligent and accomplished already! I'm sure she'll continue to do great things!! So much respect for this girl
agh i love rookiemag and the rookie yearbooks. Shes actually acomplished so much for such a young age
I can't get over how wise and insightful Tavi Gevinson is at such a young age, I can't even imagine being so aware of the world so young. I really admire her and Rookie is literally one of my favourite websites to ever exist. Ever.
Young humans like this give me hope.
I love how chill she is and her presentation style. Very cool girl.
I find it very disappointing that much of the conversation on this video is not about her ideas and what she was trying to say. People immediately latched on to the fact that one of her ideals is feminism and proceed to attack feminism. I haven't seen anyone talking about what she wanted you to take away from the video (a.k.a figure it out). To be unapologetic about your flaws, and to work and grow to change them. She does state that Rookie (her online magazine) is not aiming for this weird "WOW IM SO EMPOWERED HEAR ME ROAR NOW" ideal but to that find yourself and knowing who you are is what is important. To say that you think feminism isn't needed is a case of ignorance in my opinion that I would be happy to openly discuss and talk about.
I love seeing these young brilliant minds pioneering for today's youth. There is hope in future generations.
This lady is one of my heroes.
started the gossip girl reboot and its kinda wild knowing how young tavi actually is, like shes literally younger than some of the teens of the show but she plays a teacher so well
I don't understand why there is such a huge stigma attached to feminism. Feminism isn't LOOK AT ME I AM A WOMAN I AM STRONG I DON'T NEED YOU it's like what she says in the video, every person is different and complex and we should embrace that "even if she is a woman". Also if a woman wants to be I AM A WOMAN I AM STRONG AND I DON'T NEED YOU it's not because she's a feminist bitch, its because she can be whoever she wants to be.
YES!!
It's because of the Feminazis. If you're a male you better be afraid. They are out there. They are thirsty and they WILL get you!
There's a group of extremist feminist who twisted the meaning of feminism and because of the controversy and uproar they cause they get the most media attention and gladly profiting from it.
They are promoting a skewed form of feminism that is severely anti-anything-they-brand-as-sexist (which is almost anything that can be even remotely interpreted as such).
By doing this they hurt the actual cause of feminism and cause a counter-productive where people misinterpret feminism and push themselves away from the flawed arguments and hypocrisy these people display.
But really the media are to blame for this, giving the wrong people a voice just in the hopes of putting more oil on the fire creating traffic in the process..
This girl understands feminism much more than they do.
Don't reduce yourself to a flat personality that only sees things from that single biased perspective and always tries to fit it in that single sexism box.
Hmm, no shes just a femenist bitch.
***** One thing of my past is when I told an individual that I was a feminist they began shouting and every comment thereafter that I said they told me to shut up and just not speak. I don't owe an explanation to anyone but, I did try to explain that what he seen or heard about feminism is a misrepresentation of every feminist in general. I believe in equality amongst all people of any gender. It's not about gender roles though some roles may be likely to be performed by a certain gender but if that doesn't much to you then it doesn't need to apply to you. I say do whatever makes you happy or you feel is right but have limits, values, and morals. I'm more pious than most so God has and always will play the biggest role in my life and my decisions and I do whatever will make him happy.
This young woman gives me hope. I'm an old guy who also likes Stevie Nicks and I also hope beyond her entertaining Stevie had given young women the courage to be themselves.
You are an amazing young woman! Your message is powerful for females of all ages. I am passing on your video to my teacher friends who will pass along your message. Congratulations!
Such an intelligent, articulate, inspirational woman. I wish I'd known you when I was your age, you articulated a lot of what I was struggling with. The world is lucky to have you, and a better place with you in it.
The comment section on this video is the "why" she engaged to have a speech on TEDx Talks. Everyone who's saying her statement is stupid, remeber its HER STATEMENT not yours therefor you dont have to disfavor her intelligence because you dont understand it.
Tavi is humble and lovely and brilliant. Even at 29, I find her perspective enlightening to hear and understand, once more, how complex it is to be a woman -- a person, really. I wish I comprehended at her age that you don't have to figure "it" out and never really can. All you have to do is do the best you can and live truthfully to others and your own dignity. She is a force, and her parents must be so damn proud.
the glo up was so real for her
On a real one I just checked her insta from your comment and lord it's true
this girl is so incredible and such an inspiration to me its not even funny . to have achieved that much at such a young age is truely amazing
im totally using that " im figuring it out" everytime
I'm so happy that your views are so objective and open. Gosh, it's hard to believe that your perspective can be that of a teenager! Excited to show my teenager!
she was really cute in "enough said"
I love Tavi so much.. She's such an inspiration for teen girls. Her TED talk was not only funny and inspiring but also empowering. I wish more teens could hear and understand her message..
Tavi is brillant I am so happy to have women like that around.
Thank you, thank you, thank youuu! A thousand thank you's Tavi! You are so helpful!!!
the thing is that you having a problem with feminism being called feminism is already a sign of how much it's needed.
loved the talk. You are inspiring Tavi Genvinson! Thanks for your existence
far more accomplished than i am and she was only 15
i could never speak without a long pause and not stuttering in front of public like her. she's just amazing.
Reading the comments and: “Comments disagreeing with feminism prove that we need feminism.”
Please do not take this in a condescending way but I am so proud of you as a 28 year old woman who is still figuring it out!! Bravo!!!! You give me the courage to figure it out my way! Much blessings!! Inshahallah!
I like her and her lecture
How can you possibly dislike this video? I am so impressed by Tavi, she is truly an inspiration to girls her age and older (I am 23!). An incredible woman that will continue to influence the way women are portrayed in our culture and how young women digest/make sense of this information.
"She's been unapologetic about her flaws and about reconciling all of her contradictory feelings." - Tavi Gevinson
Yeah it seemed like this entire talk wasn't really so much about having integrity to your values, taking responsibility for your problems, or defining good standards of values and holding yourself to them like good human beings should... it sounds more like it was about just doing whatever you feel is okay at the time and accepting it without reflection or self-criticism.
***** Thanks man, cause I had no idea. I did try, but my male brain just wouldn't focus. I've notice that lately when two or more females are talking to each other, and I'm in earshot... my brain seems to turn off my hearing. I think it is a recent evolutionary development for our survival.
A feminist can't get mad at you when she asks "What do you think about that...?", and I can honestly say, 'nothing'.
Unfortunately I've been wrong before, and nothing saved me.
This ted talk was rlly inspiring. Will keep watching this
It bewilders me that there might be men (and occasionally women, but mostly men) on here railing against Tavi's talk.
She's basically just saying basic things about "think for yourself, explore your feelings, discuss things with your peers", that are equally as true for women AND men.
How could you not at least respect her as a person? How can you feel threatened and angry about her? Just seems strange.
Murray Lorden She makes me angry because she acts like she knows shit about characters, when she doesn't. ( CatWoman)
Alex X are you still angry?
@@annc4134 i wonder if he still is now
These days folks of my age, (old) see much that causes us to despair over what we see from the young. This young person gives us some relief, seeing in her age group that there are some who are thoughtful with truly fine minds.
I think the problem is that kids are turning to the media for guidance rather than receiving proper guidance from home. That's why you need this. Otherwise the portrayal of a character becomes important in your life. Values of people have shifted and it becomes nearly impossible to 'find' yourself these days.
"people are crazy and women happen to be people!" love her.
She reminds me of Michelle Williams circa Dawson's Creek days.
I'm also 15 and i'm a guy, and watching this, is just awesome i guess... It's important that someone says that it's completly normal to be insecure and other things when your a teenager. I'm not a prodigy but it's really cool to see intelligent teens these days :)
Ugh, she makes me feel like such a failure at life! How can someone so young be so accomplished and wise?!
She is such a great role model, and not in the form of, "Oh, I have to dress liek her" or so on. In the sense that she knows what to say, and good advice to give. She makes me feel liek it is okay to be msyelf, and take chances. Thank You Tavi.
I need feminism because just reading the comments below reminds me that the human race has not yet progressed to the point of treating a young female speaker as they would have perhaps treated a young male. If you're wondering what I mean then simply scroll down.
Yes, now compare the response to this girl to the response to Jacob Barnett.
And he didn't even declare he hated half the world's population!
Girl, this is not gender based. It's commonplace on the internet and especially RUclips to just hate on people. It's a reaction often founded in jealousy.
Try to identify when something is actually because of gender or just because people see something they can attack.
I do not say feminism isn't important or needed. I think it is, but make sure you don't pull it too far out of it's context and understand there are many other influences and factors playing a role into the bad behaviour of groups. Sexism isn't the only problem in the world, nor is it the biggest cause for malicious behaviour. Keep that in mind!
the human race? amerikkka is not the human race.
loveandlucky3 Jacob Barnett got a similar response. Maybe girls could stop whining and realise that they will be criticized and lied to in their lives, boys go through the same thing.
yes this comment section on a singular youtube video represents the entire race make so much sense
what an insightful, articulate and bright 16 year old! amazingly down to earth and realistic in her own views and stance in that they are ever changing and that others should think for themselves.
She reminds me of Michelle Williams.
I'm glad to see this. This culture is in desperate need of a dose of unapologetic honesty. Boys could use the same kind of forum. It seems to me that the more vulnerable is, the more connective one is. But to grow and mature, one must be allowed to be vulnerable and honest. Nice work!
Every girls dream to be Stevie Nicks..... 💜🎶💜
I love Tavi, and Rookie with all my heart
Loved this! Though I'm shocked at the negative comments and the people still missing the point of feminism
She is literally perfect. I understand that the point of this is that no woman is perfect, and we have so many different complications, but her deep understanding of that IS what makes her perfect. I'M IN LOVE.
What a lovely talk, really felt like Tavi is speaking some truth out there and it is wonderful there are more likeminded girls as well. Though I too feel like there isn´t a need to say "feminist", you are a strong leader even without that word.
After watching this video, I scrolled down to see what the comments--public--had to say about her words. Honestly, I wasn't surprised, but that doesn't mean it wasn't astonishing. The words being used were said some a long time ago and some recently, but all with the same meaning. We, the world, discussed feminism, teenagers, etc. But one thing we failed to note was what this video brought to us. We always state our opinions and our beliefs. But, sometimes we fail state the good we get out of life. I must say, the bad was brought up multiple times, and to my surprise was supported.
I know people go on and on about it's a new world--which is true--but yet it's filled with the same people. Feminism isn't always what Google tells us is, nor is it what we believe it to be. Feminism is what we make it to be, which is quite different from multiple perspectives.
Being a teenager--young adult--is really a huge deal. Adults all have gone through their teenage years, we all go through them. Adults aren't some special kind of breed that everyone has to get to be considered special or worthy. Teenagers may not have the science of the brain that the traditional people believe you must have, but we have something more. And, I must put, much bigger. We are growing, our brains our actively transforming us, and we get to view the world in several stages. Why do we read articles by adults about teens? Because that is what is offered, but adults are not someone to always be looked upon. Currently in our teenage years we get to experience the world from so many perspectives. Such as: Societies, Educations, Friends, Adults, etc. But most importantly, we get to view it for ourselves. When we become adults what happens to us? Do we fall under the standard and become someone the society considers worthy? I believe that teenagers have something larger to bring to the table then any adult could... And that is, the world from a perspective that is still forming and still becoming. We shouldn't have to be complete to have something worth sharing, we should be grateful for the moments where we are transforming and changing. Because those are the moments that will mold who we are as adults, or will blossom us as we move to adulthood, but will leave us with something more.
Now, I don't disagree or agree with all the views that are posted underneath this video. But all I do know, is that the world has so many perspectives... So why should we judge, when we can learn and become of it.
So, yes, I'm a teenager. And I'm proud to be one.
I am coming into my feminist shell :) I am slightly going crazy about feminism
No matter how one might try to spin it, flaws are negative. The importance of recognizing flaws is not to see them as positives but to understand that everyone has them and that it is ok for anyone one of us to make mistakes and not beat ourselves up over them. Specially, when you are a high school-age girl.
"What makes a strong female character is a character who has weaknesses, who has flaws, who is maybe not immediately likeable."
Strangely enough, this is an accurate description of Catwoman, who was just a minute ago listed as a bad example of a female character.
Mark Arandjus No it's not. At all.
Msl LogYt Catwoman lies, steals, has known to be a con artist, even homicidal, is mostly indifferent to the problems of society, has very little regard for the law, has been portrayed as mentally unstable, has trust issues, does not get along well with people, and is sometimes a vandal. Of course there is much much more to Catwoman than that, but all of those things fit 'weaknesses, flaws, and maybe not immediately likeable' quite well.
Mark Arandjus She is explaining that Catwoman or Catwoman type characters (ex. playing up their sexuality like she said) are portrayed as one or two dimensional characters, and that influences the media and society and how people think women are, (one dimensional and flat) when in actuality they aren't.
+Claire Adler Of course your impression of a character is one-sided if you haven't bothered to explore that character. Goes for all characters. Your claims are based on assumptions. I agree that your claims are correct for many characters, but Catwoman is reasonably multifaceted.
I'm drowning in a sea of generalizations ...but I admire her desire to help other kids in a similar state of confusion during adolescence.
still relevant in 2017... wait.... 2018 !
no not really
@@cowblob6539 ok cow blob
@@IN_FINITY is that supposed to be sarcastic
@@cowblob6539 yes cow blob
it is
@@IN_FINITY for what reason
ever so often i have to come back and watch this again because its way too awesome
Well thats 7:37 ill never get back.
Well good for you! It's nice to know there are people like you who are quick to condemn her before even listening. I hope you have many beautiful daughters one day.
Wow did anyone actually hear anything she said or are we just going to continue to follow the Mean Girls crowd and tear her down based on what she looks like? This kind of mindset is exactly what's causing the problem. Grow up.
Amy Stubblefield You gotta admit, she needs to cool it with the makeup tho.
This girl is just wow, I think alot of us younger girls can relate, but I don't think I'd have the strengh to elevate myself like she does- its truly inspiring.
This sounds ridiculous but listen to it without watching, she sounds exactly like Gigi Hadid
+c pea And lovely, enlightening talk :)
I thought her talk was elaborate and she's bringing out a lot of good points about what women are. I hope she keeps going that way, we need more people who challenge our preconceived notions of what is X and Y, like Tavi.
she's cute. don't her eyes look really glossy, like she fired up the hashpipe? lol
Your comment is about her appearance and than accuses her of doing drugs... Completely irrelevant and proves the point that strong outspoken women will always be dismissed for one thing or another that doubts their credibility or reduces them to "a pretty face."
Kristen Saucier Your assumption of the motivation of such a comment shows that those who which to decrease the spread and deepness of assumption-prejudice and prejudice itself will only do nothing but heighten it.
I'm not saying that they sat down and said "how can I undermine women?" However that's what comments like that do. So feel free to say that I'm increasing prejudice when I'm calling someone out on an irrelevant comment that undermines a woman.
Kristen Saucier come on now kristen lol. when i said she was cute, i wasn't even really taking about her looks, but she is pretty. she seems very intelligent and witty and cool as well. i like her. Also, it's clear you just don't know what smoking dubes looks like, or you would just agree with me. no negative connotation there, i bet she'd be fun to smoke a joint with
ImaginePeacePro well said
wow this girl is amazing and far more intelligent and self assured than most fully matured women/young adults i know
i find she has the definition of feminism screwed up in her head ? anyone agree? other than that she is very intelligent and right about things.
I don't believe so. Feminism seems much more like an umbrella term now. It's basically the belief in equality between men and women. But it can be a lot of other things. Some people use it to say women are more powerful. I don't think that is what feminism is. That is matriarchy to me. I consider myself a feminist, but I'm not screaming about how women are better. I want equality. Equal pay, no rape culture or victim blaming, no sexual objectification. But this of course applies to every gender! Tavi is beautiful and is very smart and sees feminism in a really neat way.
***** THANKS!! you covered it all
***** that is very well spoken and the probable truth you are a very smart lady!
*****
I have to admit, I've never heard a feminist talk about equal pay, rape culture to account for BOTH genders, usually it's just used to try and victimize women.
Respect.
*****
What is the difference between a Civil Rights Activist and a Feminist? When you have the answer, ask yourself why you call yourself a feminist. Feminism focuses on the position of women, not both genders...Why not call yourself and Equalist or Egalitarian instead?
A rare and real individual! I think she has, what they used to call in Hollywood, 'it'. I like that by just being who she is, makes you want to know more about who she is. I think she is brave for being so young, and so willing to share her thoughts whist figuring it out! Plus,she has her own unique fashion style. She is interesting and I like her!
She looks terrible for a fashion blogger. I mean im sorry for objectifying her but i think thats part of being in the fashion world.
'terrible' is subjective
I think she's pretty. :P
she is..its just that her hair and make up looks too courtney love for her granny-chic outfit ..its just not a good match
Hmmm. I like that look though. It's eccentric and cool. Guess it's subjective.
You don't have to be wearing Moschino to be a fashion blogger, or even be in the 'latest' trends. If you look at some of the most influential people within the industry - many of them dressed/ dress in a way which the mainstream does not relate to automatically, for example, magazine editor and stylist Isabella Blow, or renowned fashion illustrator Julie Verhoeven.
She is quite clearly a success at what she does, besides all that nonsense - I was not looking at her physical appearance but rather listening to her well articulated points, a very very intelligent and tuned in young girl.
She's so great. I wish I was this smart and self-aware at fifteen.
you don't even know any more what a feminist is... not to speak of an authentic human... so wrapped up in terms and boxes by trying to break them. The more you talk about it the more it becomes a (intellectual) problem!
Just be!
Says a white man... thanks... ;)
Huh?!?!
***** Apparently being white and male is a sin to a lot of feminists. For people chanting for equality they're all ready getting it by discriminating against everything remotely white and male, we don't even need to fix any right issues how convenient.
Awwwww you feel discriminated against. Poor thing, I feel for you.
Since I am white are you going to tell me to "Check my privilege" well I have, and I haven't raped or owned a slave. Ok maybe my parents. Nope same there. OH My grandfather of course. The one that had their entire family killed in front him because he was Jewish. He was a white male, should he check his privilege. How about you check your privilege and realize that everyone is discriminated against at some point. It's a bitter fucking world and you should learn that before it comes around and hurts you. I had anxiety and depression since I was a child because I was bullied for being a "Stupid fucking Jew," nor was I crying about it on tumblr and facebook because "I am a girl and I got discriminated against so I demand equal rights" and I know it can feel like that but there are plenty of white men in the same position you are (if you've been raped not so much, and I'm really sorry that happed to you but I know white men who have been raped). I've moved on from that and grown to be more cynical and mature. So next time you type "Check your privilege" think about it.
Tavi is really smart and she used her talent in something else than fashion (not that it's a bad thing I mean she has many talents!) and gave hope to young women. She's 4 years younger than me but i have SO much admiration for her and her work.
I don't get this. I don't get whats shes talking about.
It seems kinda everywhere. D:
i love her shes awesome! i wanna give her a big hug
wanna hear a joke? "women rights"
UniQuE TV ZINGER
hear a joke? i can see a joke. the joke is you attempting to type...."women rights" ?!? that does not even make sense.
***** hahaha made my day
You're ridiculous.
+Leslie Dapple A synonym for ridiculous is "funny". I agree with your statement.
She is still very young. Eccentric people are naturally difficult to relate to. I was never a fan of her fashion taste but I admired her precociousness and passion for writing on the subject.
this is all in the name of putting a "tedx speaker" on the ivy league school application forms.
isn't it? I'm utterly speechless bcuz I usually just enjoy reading Cliffs Notes quotes on the side, but that one has me blown away, BB! Good job fer being a 'creative' writer G58, luv ya!
I love Tavi SO much! I love the way she speaks to crowds hahaha
So intelligent and articulate. Impressive young woman. I LOVED this talk.
She is rather witty for someone who is still working though highschool. She is already a published author, and editor. I think she will do just fine in life.
Wow; what a great, great talk. I do hope to see this on the main TED site within days.
im super impressed by this girl. im a 20 year old guy who this doesn't really relate much to... but keep up the work. when I was 15 I spent my time lighting things on fire and playing video games
It's not being really *just* about "intelligent", it's also about being hardworking, dedicated, tenacious and passionate.
Let that sink in.
Your friends aren't famous, because they aren't working for it. Sure entering the right market at the right time is part of it. But if you aren't even doing research into entering a market, if you aren't curating & creating or working on getting hits- you aren't going to get anywhere. It's the entire package, so don't compare just one element of it.
It doesn't matter how good you are, you will still be criticized. In fact if you want to avoid hate and criticism do nothing, say nothing, BE nothing! i stand for Tavi, not because shes "in" or whatever, she inspires me cause of her genuine and strong mature personality which is something you don't see in youth nowadays!...Oh and I don't know her exact age according to wiki shes 16! but if she's is younger, well, shes even more impressive.
This was really wonderful! I had no idea that this was where rookie came from, and I'm glad I know now! It's such a great site and has helped me deal with a few issues as I move from being "legally a teenager" to "legally an adult". :)
Tavi Gevinson you are amazing.
I think that its great that you're not dictating answers to young girls, but rather encouraging self-search. It's actually pretty revolutionary. I think the next step though is to let go of the "isms".
This lassie talks a lot of sense. Most importantly, she's grasped the fundamental truth that girls and women are PEOPLE. This immediately puts her ahead of a large proportion of the world. :D
But yeah, it's all about the fact that we're ALL just human beings, figuring it out. It's not about being always right, it's about being equally human. More power to her elbow! :)
From a feminist who's turning 40 this year. :)
This was awesome, congrats, Tavi!
This video is so incredibly inspiring. Young girls need more role models like Tavi.
I LOVE HER... AND RESPECT HER...
ive only just seen this vid and seen you for the first time , and i loved it , like what you are doing and fully agree with everything you presented in this vid!
Both of your comments to me are really insightful and helpful. I was hoping for someone to point me in a direction on this since I am so uneducated about it and really want to understand it more. Thanks a bunch!
Beautiful. Awesome. Couldn't have said it better! I'm truly inspired
Very brave to put yourself out there like this, especially as a teen. Very impressed, great job!
Tavi is so sophisticated omg
i wish i can be like 50% of her