I disagree with most of this video. But to play devils advocate, that movie is very terrible movie. The boy does something "good" even if it is on a team, but only to get what he "deserves" as if, he was entilted to the girl once he did the right thing. It also shows girls, to blindly like and treat the heros nicely, but be dicks to the nerds.
***** Well, the main character was a bit of a 'nerd' and not a big strong hero like his dad so the last point doesn't really make any sense. And the girl wasn't like a useless little princess in a tower crying "save me save me", she was the best fighter in their class... So its not like he was entitled to the girl for saving her or something. She seemed to have her own reasons for falling for the main character. And, by the end of the movie, they go from discriminating against dragons, to living alongside them peacefully which I don't think is such a bad thing...
I think the bigger issue is parents handing the reigns to media. They rely on movies and tv to teach their kids teamwork and being nice and brave, instead of instilling those values themselves. Your comment rather proves it.
You have no idea how much I loved this lecture. He's 100% right; parents, make sure you monitor what your kids are watching. For you never know how greatly the shows, movies, and games will impact their lives. It may be a small thing and may seem unimportant, but it's the small things that we should monitor. Love Love LOVE this lecture.
Hang on one moment. When Luke Skywalker first meets Princess Leia he appears dressed as a stormtrooper. Luke takes off the helmet and says we're here to rescue you. We're with Ben. Leia quickly realizes that the rescue plan isn't much of a plan. And when they get pinned down by fire she grabs a blaster and starts shooting. Very early on Lei establishes that she is no damsel in distress waiting for a white knight to ride in on a horse. This is a woman who takes matters into her own hands and gets things down.Dorothy goes oh me oh my. Everything is so scary. Shall I sing you a song?
Sean Webb Maybe that’s how you see it but you are missing some of his other points... like Star Wars is war movie, there are only two women who have main roles, he’s talking about respect and helping one another. Maybe you wrote this before you watched the end of the video. Start at 6:45 and listen to what his end point is.
7 years late to that but I'm gonna answer anyway- I think that he pointed out that a woman doesn't always have to have "traditionally male characteristics and skills" like shooting and fighting, although they are valid as well, to be a strong female character, meaning a woman can be a good role for kids exhibiting " traditional feminine skills'' - like wit, compassion, emotional intelligence and others. (though there shouldn't be a divide whatsoever)
The most qualified person or people should lead the team. Excluding anyone from positions based on gender is sexism and teaching women they should disregard men because of their gender is teaching discrimination and bias and devaluing the men.
@Cami, I don't think teamwork is something men understand unless that team has a leader such as in football, baseball has a captain of the team, and the whole Alpha Dog mentality. I think women are the only ones who truly understand equality among the team. I'm not trying to be sexist Tobias but this is just my observation. As far as girl power and boy power goes mentioned by the speaker, there's nothing wrong with either one as long as both remember to hold the other and every other person in the highest respect and to treat themselves that way as well. The problem is that feminism wants to dominate just as Macho-ism did in the past. Both are wrong. Humility and respect is what should dominate regardless of your gender or ideas.
@@pamelag7553 yeah. Thn y u speak biased.. This tells women don't seek equality.. For I. E if we have men coach or captain as a man he Will support.. Nd encourage women team.. Or any etc.. Where if it a women.. She only sees biased..on women team none like men who teach real female strength Cuz they say we r weak.. But we want dominant,. na😁😂
I think the biggest problem is that our society chastises any male that enjoys things we deem to be feminine. A great example is today's Bronys (adult male fans of the cartoon My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic). Bronys are regarded negatively by many, many people, with some going as far as to call them pedophiles. In-fact a young boy recently tried to commit suicide after being bullied repeatedly for liking My Little Pony. This sort of attitude causes young boys to actively disassociate themselves with anything "girly" out of fear of being outcast. Masculinity seems to be something that is prized above all else in our society, even for women and young girls. The thing I believe people forget is that someone can be feminine and still be strong. A girl doesn't have to dress in battle armor or boys clothes and learn to fix cars and shoot guns, she can be just as strong and self-sufficient while wearing a dress and collecting dolls. On the flip side a boy doesn't need to be some macho meat-head who constantly barbeques and plays/watches sports to be a "real man". Now that's not to say that those personality types are bad. If a girl truly enjoys fixing cars or shooting guns then she's perfectly fine doing so. The same goes for boys who truly want to adhere to the masculine stereotype (and I use that word lightly). However, we shouldn't push children to go toward the one we deem appropriate. I have two nephews. They were both raised the exact same way by the same two parents, and are only about 2 years apart. One enjoys Hotwheels, The Avengers and all the other things society deems "normal" for a boy his age to like. The other absolutely adores the Disney Princesses, particularly the girl from Brave. He even plays with dolls of them. Neither boy was pushed into liking anything. They were simply allowed to have the toys they enjoyed more, and because of it they are both extremely happy, well mannered children. Neither of them sees the other one's choice in toys as weird, they just accept that they have different tastes. This is, in my opinion, what we as a society need to strive toward.
Indeed I did. This is something I've thought about before too, but I don't end up saying a lot of the things I think because it takes time, and I have so little of it, so it's nice to see someone said what I didn't have the time to.
At the end of the video I found myself going into tears...This is absolutely true and very crucial for the children of this generation and beyond...Thank you for sharing this with the world :')
It's nice to see someone point out that younger boys can fall through the cracks in our well-meaning scramble to celebrate stronger women, while also aknowledging that emphasis on strong women is also important.
Change takes time, not overnight. Everyone who is saying that this is a great talk and things need to change. You are the change and you are the voice.
I love this. We teach our girls how to fight, and how to defend themselves, and then turn around and teach our boys how to, ultimately, be the boys that we're trying to protect our girls from. Teach our boys as well as our girls :)
*watches video* Wow this was a really good presentation on how gender roles in movies are presented, I wonder if any one else thought so? *looks at comment section* I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
I teared up a little at the end when he said 'like the Wizard of Oz'. The Wizard of Oz and The Sound of Music were two of the films me and my siblings watched the most when we were growing up (and not always because we chose to watch those two films, mind you). Watching this has made me reflect on my view of women to an even greater degree than I have ever done before (and, yes, I'm a gay man and yes I have had my moments of thoughtless sexism just like straight men). The overall point Colin Stokes is making, in my opinion, is simple: Quests that don't follow the archaic plot cliche of 'I fight. I win. I get the girl/guy'. In exposing children at a young age to films that follow said archaic plot, we are, more than anything, putting pressure on our children from the get-go that until you 'get the girl/guy', you won't be accepted. "If you can't love yourself, how in the hell are you going to love someone else. Can I get an amen?" - Rupaul. Thank you.
hear i was thinking his going to talk about the subliminal messages cartoons have, but ends up making some crap gay statement thats just wasted my time, damien your gay u understand i think u fancied him getting jiggy with u damien ass is the reason u put him on with this tittle.
Really? The fact that *that* was what you were looking for already says how little you truly know. I'm guessing you still ended up getting nothing from the video, because you were too busy thinking of how upset you were that he wasn't talking about fake "subliminal messages" people put into shows, ads, and other media. I mean really, how much of that crap do even think is real? It's a stupid gimmick that was created so the ones creating it could gain fame and popularity from an idea that makes no sense. I guess you're one of those believers of the New World Order as well, but that's fine. Continue your life trusting in all these lies that this broken and corrupted society throws at you.
DamienHurts Amen to that. You know, when I was young the strong female characters tended to be villians. Luna and Chilla from the Thundercats come to mind. The only strong female hero I really remember was She-ra. There are other strong female characters in other cartoons but they tended to be second in command or lower.
Stunningly good TED talk - reaffirms why Aladdin is such a great Disney movie, Aladdin really is the perfect hero, he gets where he does through intelligence and cunning, wins the princess by apologising and admitting his mistakes, and doesn't even kill the bad guy! That's my kind of role model.
That guy is a real man, his kids will hopefully teach others how to treat each other. But the comments here make me sick. Men feel attacked and go super offensive when it's pointed out how woman are treated today. Horrible.
***** UsagiVeg is stereotyping a majority of men yet I agree with the speaker on how something is wrong culturally on how we view women. Lots of popular culture doesn't view women as an equal human yet a prize to be claimed. It could be argued that kids movies don't play into this but something is going wrong and something must change. I doubt you will change your attitude but please keep an open mind before critiquing other peoples points.
***** No. It is about the fact that women are seen as inferior, simply because of their gender. UsagiVeg was not being super-offensive. Only the men attacking in their comments were mentioned and that is hardly *all* men. You are also making assumptions about someone you don't know. Why? Do you feel that threatened that you would try to divert attention away from yourself like that, that you would attack someone else and make such scathing generalisations about them? What is threatening about women having an equal place in society *next* to men? What about that threatens you so deeply that you would attack?
***** And why do you think they have low self-esteem? Again, I ask you, why did you see an attack where none existed, to the point where you felt the need to "retaliate"?
***** yes some women have low self esteem but that comes from society you cat blame us for it. Actually you can blame us but then your saying its my fault I have low self esteem. I grew up and my whole life been told I wasn't good enough, I was to ugly, I wasn't a size 0 so I was fat. My best friend was gorgeous but she chose to hang out with me. I was a nobody I was a "loner". Then one day she came up to me and started calling me names and pushed me down. She knew my weaknesses and used them to get to me then she confessed,she wasn't ever me friend she just used me. With these things thrown at me its hard not to have low self esteem so please keep going on and saying its our fault but please lets remember what is going on in the world.
Or we could all just watch Lilo and Stitch. That's got all the sci-fi action and weird aliens of Star Wars, plus a female protagonist who saves the day by befriending others like Wizard of Oz (although Lilo also bites and fights her bully).
God. Reading the comments you would have thought the guy in the video was asking fathers to sacrifice their first born sons on an altar to honor a death goddess of hatred and violence against men. What I really don't understand is the level of...AGGRESSIVE ANGER towards what I feel are, positive messages. They don't have to be logical. They don't have to be correct. But if they make the world a better place if followed (and I think they would), then...what is the goddamn problem?!
Sigh, this makes me sad… not the video but the response to this video. It takes a decent human being to accept somebody else's opinion about something, not a good human being, a DECENT one meaning it should be EXPECTED that others won't take it personally as a blow to their ego. Unfortunately that is obviously not the case with some of the people who have watched this. Personally I think that the message sent is absolutely beautiful and I would love to have this man as my father. I wish people would learn to respect others more, you may not necessarily agree with them but there's no need whatsoever to insult or hate on any one particular person unless you know them personally and know that they are really horrible. Prejudgment has led to many errors to be made in the past… I wish it would stop.
I know and I respect that. That's why I said "I wish it would stop" and not something like "It should stop". It's going to keep happening even if I don't want it too and I've got no right to tell people to stop doing so. 😊
shadowfreak75 DUDE man or women what ever you are your right 'prejudgement' leads to errors and i have evidence to back it up .The kind of evidence a women can understand ruclips.net/video/r-Y0dTNH7Ns/видео.html
Yata just because you can say whatever you want does not mean that it is recommended to use that right to push others down and hate on everything. Say what you wish, but I encourage respect for all.
yes, because pointing out the sheer sexism of him prioritizing women over men is TOTALLY just men "getting their egos smashed" i wonder how much debates you've won
I clicked on this video because i seen Chihiro Ogino. Sprited away is most likely my favorite film, even my step dad who 'hates' japanese films loves spirited away. Now that tells me we need more movies like that!
If I don't like the video should I avoid the comments section as well? Your comment implies that one should only look at things they like and avoid everything they disagree with. So much for an open mind.
I am obliged to take on the question of Harry Potter here. Firstly, the Bechdel Test. 1. Was there an important female character? Yes. But in line with the analysis of US movies, in the central characters the males outnumbered the females precisely two to one. Among the secondary children, Fred and George outnumbered Ginny two to one. A balance is eventually achieved between Luna and Neville. Petunia is outnumbered by husband and son. McGonagall is outnumbered by Dumbledore, Snape and Hagrid as significant adult characters. 2. Do the females ever interact verbally? Sometimes, briefly, but generally very meaningfully. Hermione has an interaction with Dolores Umbridge. Narcissa and Bellatrix talk briefly. Molly has words with Bellatrix. Umbridge speaks to Sibyl Trelawny. Hermione has words with Lavender Brown. 3. Do the females discuss matters other than the man that interests them? Yes, in every case except Hermione and Lavender. The best interaction between females is the dynamic standoff between two powerful females, Professors McGonagall and Umbridge. At no point in the movies does Hermione, as the central female, have a meaningful spoken interaction with a female peer, Ginny, Luna, Cho, etc. The movies are in general focussed entirely on the male hero, and very few scenes are shown where he is not present, or the incident is not one that he would know about by another means, e.g. destruction of the Millennium Bridge. This rules out discussions at which Harry is not present. One of the very few is the scene of the Unbreakable Vow.
Secondly: Are the Harry Potter females active participants as heros and villains? This is certainly the case. The stories, overall, fit the stereotypical "Fairy Tale" model. Part of this model relates to the role of Princesses, Witches, Fairies, Queens and Does. A Princess is a good, wise, kind, motivated female. Cinderella and Snow White are characteristic. Hermione and Ginny fit the model, as does Lily Potter. A Witch is a woman consumed by envy, jealousy and malice. Petunia Dursley, Dolores Umbridge and Bellatrix le Strange are magnificent examples of villainous females. A Fairy is a wise female who has special knowledge or skill to facilitate the success of the hero. Luna Lovegood and Sibyl Trelawney are Fairies, in the Fairytale sense. A Queen is someone who stands somewhat remote from the action that involves the hero, but is able to make wise decisions that affect the direction of the story. McGonagall is typical of this character. The Doe of the story is Narcissa Malfoy, the essentially good female who is doomed to sorrow through her faithful attachment. In considering Hermione's role as a Fairytale Princess, we perceive her within the context of the books and movies as a secondary character to the male hero. But on the other hand, we could easily see Hermione as the hero of her own story. It would be possible to entirely retell the story from a Hermione perspective.
Thirdly: Screen violence for children. The books of the Harry Potter series contain violence, of that there is no doubt. They begin with the attempted murder of a one-year-old baby and the murder of his parents. We know from early in the first book that someone else is going to die, probably at the hands of our young hero. But the first two movies were made by Chris Columbus. Chris Columbus had given the world Gremlins, in which we were invited to laugh at the sight of a man being killed by his own snow-plough, and at the sound of a multi-car pile-up at the traffic lights. Gremlins brought to the screen the sort of violent actions that were reversible, when we witnessed them in cartoons, but were irreversible, in this new context. Children were taken to see Gremlins, and laughed right through it, as they would laugh at the violent actions of Bugs Bunny or Tom and Jerry. Chris Columbus just did not "get" that Harry Potter was not Home Alone. It was not about Kiddy Violence as a form of entertainment. Consequently, Chris Columbus destroyed an essential element in the character of Harry himself, right in the very first movie. Strangely, the change that he made is one that very few children pick up on, and I find this fact really quite tragic, because it says something about children's changing perceptions. Near the end of the book "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" (or whatever you prefer to call it), Professor Quirrell attempts to seize hold of Harry, but cannot hold him, because of a searing pain in his hands. Voldemort orders Quirrell to kill Harry. Harry realises that Quirrell cannot bear his touch so he grabs Quirrell by the wrist, causing him acute pain and making him unable to produce a curse. Harry faints, and presumably Quirrell does as well. When Harry returns to consciousness, he has bee rescued and is in the hospital wing, attended by Dumbledor, who has saved the day. But in the Movie, as directed by Chris Columbus, touching Harry does not simply cause acute pain to Quirrell; it causes his hand to crumble away and drop off. Then, the little hero, with murderous intent, rushes at Quirrell, seizing his face with both hands, and hanging on with all his might until the man's head has crumbled and fallen off. Our sweet innocent little Harry Potter has turned into a remorseless killer. Even that other cool and ruthless Brit with a license-to-kill showed more sentiment over the demise of a would-be assassin than little Harry Potter did! And children across the world accepted this as a portrayal of the character of their hero. When I watch this with children, I pause the video at this point and say "The Movie Makers are about to get this part horribly wrong! This is not the way that J.K.R wrote it!"
Violence in Harry Potter, part 2. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets has approximately 9 minutes of unnecessary and extended violence. The willow whomping, and whomping and whomping and whomping and whomping The spiders chasing and chasing and chasing and chasing and chasing. The basilisk attacking and attacking and attacking and attacking and attacking. Why? If these 9 minutes had been left out, what could have been put in, instead? 2 full seconds of Filch petting Mrs Norriss at the end. The Weasleys, so important at the beginning of the book, coming to be reunited with their daughter, to round the story off. Harry's brief moment of loneliness, at seeing a Happy Family, in which he has no part. The most offensive moment in this movie does not concern willows, spiders or basilisks. It concerns Ron, a nice British schoolboy who has grown up in a loving family. But with a stupid expression on his face, he takes up a stone and belts a man on the head, a man who he knows has already lost his wits. This is the Home-Alone factor, characteristic of a Chris Columbus product; violence perpetrated by a child, for no reason except to get a laugh out of the audience. This scene really upset and angered many British parents who did not accept it as either funny, or the way in which they would expect a child to act. Gratuitous violence is not funny.
The real nature of the character that is Harry Potter is revealed in other aspects of the series: Harry cannot leave Fleur's sister under water. He cannot leave Cedric Diggory, either without the information that he needs, or to his fate in the maze. He cannot bring himself to curse Bellatrix. He cannot let Snape die without attempting to save him. He cannot leave Draco to the flames. He cannot run from Voldemort and leave the people in Hogwarts to perish. The final showdown between Harry Potter and Voldemort loses sight of this entirely. In the book, Harry repeatedly defends himself, and while doing so, he attacks Voldemort in the way that most disables him; he destroys his pride through the power of words. Harry does not "kill" Voldemort; he deflects his attacks until Voldemort ultimately kills himself. In the movie, this battle simply became another action scene. Harry's real triumph was lost. And so was the main point of the whole series.
Very good talk. We must develop a society that respects and values women as well as teaches our sons that being a man isn't just about violence and power. Strengthen our daughters and teach our sons, in other words.
It's great to see how this dad worry about his children, specially his daughter.Raising a daughter is not easy in this society. Discrimination,violence, women are the first victims. It has to change !
RandomHelpingGuy This isn't a game of "Who has it the worst?" Yeah, sure her wording could have been different and more precise. Also, she might not be from the United States. You missed the point.
The problem with your plea is this, the ones who need to hear it, aren't listening. They are probably out there gang banging, drinking, and drugging it up. Meanwhile we men here who are out there pursuing an education and bettering themselves are the one's who hear the women whine and cry about how bad they have it, and how bad men screw them over. Sadly we get sick of hearing it, why, because we are the ones doing it.
Princess Merida from Brave & Mulan are on the top of my favorite Disney princess list (& Elsa of course). I just love that they don't follow the leader and do their own thing, even if that thing is considered a "boy" thing. They're great models for little girls.
Noire ahahah I don't think so. There was a time during high school that every friday we would hang out at this friends house. One of the guys would frequently plug in the Xbox, play GTA 4, and the rest of us would watch him for hours running over people with a truck, while chatting and drinking beer. Maybe it has nothing to do with it, but that guy was a bit eccentric. Once we went camping and he threw an axe at a friend while drunk, missing him barely. lmao. I know our fantasies and our reality are different things, but maybe our fantasies can tell something about our personalities. We always go steps further in our fantasies of course, because we know we are not hurting anybody. And lets face it, running over screaming people in a videogaem is fucking hilarious. So maybe I wont lock up my daughter in a tower and turn her into an ogre by nightfall, but I might find funny to yell her "make me a sandwich!". I still love you future daughter. lol
I am surprised to see so many negative comments here. No, movies alone will not solve the problem, but they're a good start. The guy had ten minutes and he stuck to his subject. I'm just relieved that a grown man is taking an active position as a father to empower both his daughter AND his son.
Wow. These comments are more than enough proof that what this man is saying holds some truth. Threaten to take out men as the lead in movies, and it turns into a barrage of insults and different versions of "this is stupid" by whom? Boys.
I agree, Women have done great things in the past - Hell, every man (except Adam) has a mother - who raised him and helped him become who he is. So - without women there would be no men. Women are truly undermined in today's society. Especially with all the music and movies - constantly showing women as a goal to attain instead of a fellow human being. Hell - just name one adult movie that doesn't contain some kind of sexual tension between a male and female character? One that doesn't have the women wearing spandex and the guy standing there staring at her butt. I honestly can't remember a single one.
Hayao Miyazaki* :) Yes, almost all of his animated films pass the Bechdel test because he highly encourages and supports feminism. Unlike Harry Potter and the Hunger Games, his movies also promote anti-war. When Spirited Away won an Academy Award, Miyazaki refused to come to the U.S. because he did not want to visit the country who was "bombing Iraq".
Men don't speak against woman,commonly at a young age boys are taught to praise woman,the child mind is very gullible to whatever someone says,churches do the same thing to children at a young age.My father tries to teach me the same thing.Oh and not to mention girls are taught to hit a boy whenever they want.
I don't think it's really the filmmakers responsibility to raise your kid for you or inform anyone about what gender roles in society should be. Raise your own children, Show them the role models you would like to show them, and just enjoy your popcorn and movie.
Im not sure i follow. Are you implying that writers are using these films to "program" our brains perception of what a woman should be and what a man should be? Like...Really?
I don't think that very much blame is deserved by film makers. These type of film makers are not trying to change our minds, they're trying to make money by showing us things that we will like and telling us ideas that we already agree with. In that way, films show us what ideas already exist in our society.
Anthony Grant It's not that the writers are intentionally using films to malicious program people, but rather that the overwhelming trend of movies portraying gender roles this way DOES influence societal norms and expectations.
I could see that, to a degree, but that's just how social progress works. my point is that one shouldn't expect pixar/disney/dreamworks to inform your children on anything, they do Not have that responsibility. They want to create an entertainmening film that appeals to the widest possible audience, and makes a lot of money...those are their only concerns, and I think that's more than just.
The point is that these filmmakers have the power to influence our children no matter how we raise them. TV and film are entertainment, yes, but it takes a while for children to be able to separate reality and fiction. Also, they can create an entertaining film that appeals to the widest possible audience that does not fit into gender stereotypes. A really popular movie called Frozen just recently came out, and it was about two female protagonists. It shouldn't be difficult to make a movie with female protagonists, and those movies are usually just as entertaining to all audiences as movies with male protagonists are.
I just love this speech, I just click and will share with a lot of them. I see men in my own family that see women as liability, non thinkers, non defined, silent followers or EVIL.I keep on telling my friends that we need to try our best to bring up better men. Because our focus is on the potential victims being enablers only, we often miss that a predator or systematic power hungry person (male or female) is very skilled and gains in experience. A perfectly balanced and smart person can fall in the trap of that kind: often women, sometimes men too... When BRAVE came out I did have a talk with my kids and insisted on the independence, the skills, the inner strength of that princess: YOU CAN BE A PRINCESS AND BE STRONG, DETERMINED, SMART...now falling for witchcraft to control her mother was ABSOLUTELY A REVERSAL OR SPOILING OF THINGS. That is another story...
I don't like what he said at the end. Boys should look at female leads as role models? People identify with characters that are like themselves. For instance, when watching Beauty and the Beast, boys will attach more to the Beast, or the Candlestick, or even Gaston (the villain) than Belle. (And I think the beast is a good role model in a way, because he was in a process of learning to control anger, which is important) With a female lead, they'll look at the sidekicks, just as girls will look at the male protagonists female sidekicks to identify with. I think girls need more protagonists, yes, but boys also need protagonists that show that problems can be solved without violence.
Corbinite I (being an adult) can. But from my observations (not a real study I know) boys and girls identify with what they feel their gender is. However, I also understand, although many male protagonists may not be up to par as role models, there are less female protagonists. Flat out. So asking for more good male protagonists is not as high on the food chain to him.
Gatzlocke actually, that was one of the things he was asking for. When he said "good role models for boys" he was talking about men boys can look up to who treat women as equals. Male characters who respect women fully and show the boys how to act.
Corbinite 9:00 to 9:32 Near the end-cap of his presentation. It's to seek out heroines to identify with. Not heroes who are respectful and join a team and fight alongside heroines.
I could argue, that in Full Metal Alchemist (brotherhood), that all 3 of the questions are answered: yes. (edit): In fact, Hellsing ultimate is also a contender.
most anime shows/ movies have great inspiring characters for girls and boys Blood Ghost in The Shell Avatar the Legend of Kora(yes its is Anime) ...I could list anime for days but american cartoons are really dumb down out of fear its ok, because if cartoon network and the Disney channel, and Nickelodeon dont change and evolve they are going to implode because of there way of doing things!
I can never understand why intelligent, educated people assume the position that Hollywood is anything other than a commercial interest. It has no obligation to provide moral guidance to its viewers. They make the movies they believe will make the most money, which is of course why most of them are, on the whole, utter rubbish.
areyouserious People make art to express themselves and their own thoughts. Getting upset that art does not portray your personal thoughts is saying that you are a narrow-minded person who cants stand another persons feelings or opinion. So you are saying intelligent people are all narrow-minded and prejudice? Nice to know you think so.
areyouserious Sorry to break it to you but pretty much anything that could be considered "entertaining" could also be considered a "waste of time". But then again, life itself doesn't really have a clear goal, so it's not really wasted if it doesn't take time away from... any objective. Besides, there are plenty of independant studios making movies that are meaningful, that dare to show the other side, and try to show some morals as well. But, in moves as well as in books, music, games, portraits, pretty much ANY form of art, you're gonna have to step away from the big named if you want to see something that's not made for mass appeal. Most people seem to forget that these companies HAD to cater to the masses to get where they are now. Who the hell expects anything original, nowadays, from Warner Bros, 20th, Disney...
Might as well never make any fiction then. Hell, just walking down a street is propaganda for the people who built those streets. The cheap white shirt you're wearing? promoting slave labor in China. The air you breathe? promoting being able to survive through the air pollution... Look, don't try to see TOO far in things like that. There might be a bit of publicity here and there, but some things are meant for people who already enjoy these sorts of things. As an example, the newer Fast and Furious movies are basically an average action movie with cool cars, but the older ones were really made for people who like modified cars and cheesy movies. I was one of these, enjoyed the moves a lot, and I still don't see any harm in it. Also, I'm pretty sure Lamborghini didn't need movies to sell their cars
Kire Moonchild Maybe that’s how you see it but you are missing some of his other points... like Star Wars is war movie, there are only two women who have main roles, he’s talking about respect and helping one another. Maybe you wrote this before you watched the end of the video. But I agree Leia is strong but that isn’t the only factor. Star Wars doesn’t pass the bechdel test.
I have always had some amount of self loathing in myself because i am not perfect, I have cried about the fact that im not a man's man like ned stark or the pro-tag of braveheart, nor am i a badass old experienced man like gandalf. It is awesome to see a video related to that feeling.
I made that comment at the eight minute mark. This dude already discussed something related to the fact that i dislike not being a one man army. Also how teams are the only way to achieve great things.
the main take away from the wizard of oz was that the girl decided she should stay home and become a housewife because there was nothing worthwhile for her to find or do in the world.
Really i thought the take away from wizard of oz was she wanted to get to her love ones. You know like her family and friends. Her being a Housewife was never even brought up.
I always interpreted it as a girl who was afraid to be in her own mind and imagination. But you can still take away plenty good from it, if you don't read it in that way. (it's why I liked Return to Oz more as a child C:)
One major flaw in the idea that real manhood involves being supporters of women is the problem that women don't actually want to be around men who are conscious of this. This has often been told to me as one of my major flaws - specifically that I always strive to work with women and not over them. And dozens of times in my life, I have been overtaken by men who care less about supporting the woman than being their partner. It is the single greatest source of failure in my life and this is a result of the CHOICE of women. It has been a problem that has overshadowed *EVERY SINGLE* relationship I have ever had with women. Be careful what you wish for your sons. Teach them to be respectful, polite, kind, generous, caring, considerate, empathetic and supportive of women and you just might be condemning them to a life of bitter solitude.
Hold on there. I think both your and Colin's views on this matter are shortsighted. Patriarchy is wrong and should totally be abolished but reversing it into a matriarchy is ultimately no better. We need to find a cultural place where we see each other first and foremost not as men or women but as people. As human human beings whose contributions are unique to them as an individual and the values they have chosen for themselves rather than a role handed down to them by their parents' ideology. I support feminism as much as any other rights movement. We haven't reached that truly egalitarian society yet. And yes, it does have an extremist side that mainstream feminism has done a poor job of policing, but nothing they have done justifies that kind of MRM-tinged rhetoric or makes the MRM any less of a complete joke.
Deadboltt No. You are confusing the concept of patriarchy as a policy vs patriarchy as a practice. Patriarchy with a male dominant in a relationship as a policy yields domineering, one-sided relationships. The rights of the woman are given second place as a principle, which is by human rights standards quite wrong, regardless of which side takes the priority. However, in *practice*, it is impossible to always do everything completely fair and 50-50. Worse yet, lack of a distinct decision making hierarchy can actually create problems such as indecision and lack of a clear direction and lead. Even if these problems are only a matter of how behavior is *perceived* by the female. A good example of this could be dance. An effective dance partnership requires one lead and one follow. The balance for decisions and authority favors the lead (usually, but not always a male), but the types of decisions that are made should always favor the displays made by the female (flashier moves) as well as moves made to display harmony and synchronicity. There is a difference in what is "right" and what is effective. Sadly, a dictatorship can easily be more *effective* than a democracy. My personal experience has shown me that decisively choosing to avoid male-dominant attitudes can very easily leave a person behind in the dust with no relationship of any sort. To be fair, they might not show that to you or others, but it has been the primary source of failure for my relationships as reported to me by other females in my life (sisters, female friends, counselors etc).
Deadboltt "...where we see each other first and foremost not as men or women..." Fix this flaw in your argument and then maybe we/whoever can talk. We all have eyes, this is the first thing we notice about each other. How is denying this reality going to move us forward in any way? What do you mean by NOT see each other as male and female? Role handed down by their parents ideology? What's wrong with the notion of a role is the Male/female/child family model? Is the notion of having a ROLE in the family, society, world, etc. truly a bad notion? A role, an example a mother or father offers whether good or bad is something that happens, it happens without effort. No mother, no motherly role model, prostitute mother, bad role model. Egalitarianism? Not everyone is created equal, this is another false notion. It's a good one, but it's false. Feminism? Men and women are NOT equal, and I am not saying that men are better, but this is the reality from a biological point of view. The characteristics, lessons, qualities, wisdom, and the kind of nurturing qualities a woman passes to her sons and daughters are completely different from that a man has to offer, and vis versa. So, I ask, what kind of changes are you really wanting?
***** I agree, it seems to me he wants a woman out of his range. The fact of the matter is, we tend to gravitate towards the opposite sexes who are on the same "attractive scale." I understand there are some exceptions, but 10's usually date 10's and 5's 5's give or take a point. I think I am probably a 6 or 7, and if given the chance I would try for a 8,9, or 10, but to be honest I feel more SEXUALLY attracted to women who are on my level. Beside, the 6's and 7's I am attracted to look like 10's to me! haha!
***** Well you certainly have added quite a bit of content to what I was saying. I was indicating that the overwhelming trend in my personal experience (and I *DID* explicitly state that this may not be true for others) is that a person who behaves in the way I described, being respectful etc, will always or almost always be eclipsed by a similar male peer who is more domineering. This is a result based on more than two decades of experience. And includes observations of the relationships that followed as well. The result is specifically that if two individuals are looking at a female, the more domineering one will almost always succeed, leaving the more respectful one with nothing. I have seen it in others lives as well, but certainly I am most qualified to speak only of my own life. I find your argument about 'billions' of humans on the planet to be substanceless since no human experience encompasses billions of individuals and you have no knowledge of how far I have traveled or what I have accomplished in my life OUTSIDE of basic human relationships.
i don't agree with the last part (lead by women). just because she's a woman doesn't mean she shoule lead. a person needs to lead is a person who has the qualifications for it. i'm a feminist but being a feminist isn't about saying women are the best, it's about saying women and men are equal !
He didn't demand that the only group he join is to led by women, but "maybe a team lead by women." That 'maybe' suggests men just as well as women. He's not demonizing men, he's just commenting on the fact that there's less leadership, teamwork, and three-dimensional female characters that contribute to modern movies compared to movies from the 1930s. He's asking that parents become more active and intentional about choosing movies that may prove to be a better guideline for boys and girls, ones that give equal exposure of positive leadership by either gender.
Ororo Munroe I know this should be the standard, but I am so impressed that you actually heard what she said and then responded to it in an appropriate manor. I love seeing this kind of interaction on the internet.
Ororo Munroe well storm, men and women are not equal, which is why men get to stay back and die so that the women and children can live. I don't think we can equally start playing tackle football together nor should we try and see who can piss the furthest into the toilet while being shit faced. Men can't handle pain like women can and men die at younger ages and lose their sex drive sooner. However I believe we both equally suck in comparison to other life forms and their abilities.
Thankyou for the TedX talk! Very thought provoking.. I have noticed when watching kids tv with my younger relatives, that there are decidedly "boy" or "girl" shows, and that the messages about gender roles are radically different ; in agreement with this gentleman's observations, boy shows tend to promote individual violent awesomeness followed by getting the girl, and girl shows tend toward strong female leadership bringing everyone together in the nick of time. A rare exception is Ben Ten that has a brother and sister who both win and lose sometimes, and the adventures sometimes require epic kick-ass and sometimes require calm(ish) co-operative behavior. It's one of the few, and that makes me worry. We need a mix of all of the above!!
I guess this makes a sort of sense, but the disney movie are the worst. Most female princess are beautiful woman who, who are compliant, and passive. They considered good. The ugly, old woman are evil, and mean. Lmao isn't it the same thing in wizard of oz. Think of snow white, cinderella, hell even tangled. In tangled the evil protagonist is an evil old woman hiding behind an facade of a young beautiful face. So what, the only way a girl can achieve happiness is by being a beautiful girl. What kind of message is that.
What Disney movies have you been watching? Since when was Jasmine compliant, when did Belle ever comply with public opinion and at what point was Mary Poppins ever passive! Another interpretation of the witch wearing the beautiful face in Tangled could also be that beauty is only skin deep, I haven't seen Tangled though.
I agree that beauty as a visual cue is overused by Disney, but I feel that they do try to have their audience realize that it's not the important nor defining characteristic of the heroines, or any character for that matter. I wouldn't say any but the earliest princesses were compliant or passive. Many are competent and passionate, and will go to any lengths to take charge of their lives (even if they're not the smartest). And depending on whether or not we're counting Brave, Merida was very pointedly NOT traditionally beautiful or even super-pretty. She wasn't ugly, but the animators took the opportunity to show her beauty through her actions and thoughts, rather than the proportions of her features.
Yes but the ugly and beauty factor is always there. You know the male evil character are always ugly. Always. The only movies I cant see these factor happening are in Beauty and the beast and The hunchback of Notre Dam. Beauty and the best is a rather sordid, horrible tale, and I can go in depth if you want. Sadly idk enough about the later to go in depth.
david I'm actually a big fan of the latter. While the main character is a wonderful person, and the other characters do or learn to see and value him for that, rather than his appearance, the beautiful feisty heroine still ends up with the pretty boy. I'm not sure it's the best example. xD As for ugly male villains, I find that is a trend they're moving away from in the past decade or so, and further back than that in their non-princess flicks (Atlantis, Tarzan..)
+Arlie Daniel Everything that happens to you as a kid directly affects the way you act as an adult. Everything you learn and know now comes from how you learned to learned and act as a child. Nothing is innate for humans, we have very little "instinct" and much more environmental learning and copying what we see in our lives. If you don't understand that, then you're just being ignorant.
What makes this topic difficult is that it's stuck in a self-repeating loop. I don't think deep down that boys want to be sexually dominating and that deep down women don't want to be sexually dominated. However, through the millions of cultural influences, women learn that one way of obtaining social power is to attract the guy that is arrogant and dominating ("The Bad Boy"). Then boys watch and observe how in adolescence, the "bad boys" get the girl and all the glory, so then they start to try and emulate that behavior. Then girls observe the process and then it keeps repeating over and over again.
You would also be surprised at how much small triggers and things we don't notice or take as important information can sway your choices in a huge way( subconsciously) . You'd find documentaries on subliminal messaging very interesting.
Morgue W h o r e it's the whole nature vs nurture argument though, humans have been a male led society for the protection or women even before society and civilisation. The very idea is founded at a very deep historical and potentially genetic level. And not all of the concepts it holds can be considered foul and wrong. It's something that breeds the 'women and children first' mentality, but it also maintains the 'women are a valuable resource' idea. Both aren't wrong, but it's when these ideals are twisted and warped that you have these issues. But also the issue is that at a deep seated societal level men have no purpose other than to breed and protect the women. When it comes to motivation without creating an interesting and real dilemma (which is potentially beyond that of a kids movie) the only primal drive that men can aspire to is getting a partner, fighting a war, saving a woman and things of the like. Women are much less bound to their primal ties, society has been built around them and adapted to them. For the longest time they were treated as below men as the ideals got warped, but their roles weren't so much defined by society such as defined by the lack of ability to have a role in society other than producer of offspring. As such I think that it's this freedom of purpose that needs to be brought to men, but that's not such an easy task to convey all this to a child.
This was a very level speech and it didn't point fingers or appeal to pity or guilt of what-have-you. This was arguably one of the best speeches concerning sexism and the media that I've seen.
That's ridiculous. Children learn from everything around them, there is only so much a parent can control. If something is entertaining (as film generally is) they're far more likely to remember and learn from it, including values. Pretty basic. How many children do you have and how did you stop them from ever seeing a television?
Lea Stretch "how did you stop them from ever seeing a television?" You know they have these nice things called channel block and stuff where the parent can decide what channels are viewable. Parents can also set time limits on how long the child can watch TV. Teach the child everything on TV isn't true and teach them to respect people no matter what gender or race they are. Can't force movie studios to do that for you when they are just there to entertain.
I fully understand all those things, and I am personally an artist on my way into the animation entertainment industry myself. Yes, I agree parents should be more involved. But if anything, this video helps parents to see exactly what they are exposing their children to, so we're kind of on the same side here, don't you think? The problem is that adults- yes, even good parents- are blind to a lot of the messages and values their children are receiving through entertainment and media. How can you combat an idea in your child's mind that you do not know is there?
how bout instead of relying on others why dont we teach self reliance and teamwork second cause if you can depend on yourself then people can depend on you and you can depend on others but when you cant depend on others u still got yourself
This is why I liked Brave & How to Train Your Dragon. As my 9 year old at the time said it's wholesome. In Brave her mother tried to get her daughter to find herself after realizing she was meant for better things. And her dad encouraged her to be strong and independent. In HTTYD it was unity working together and trust . Learning to trust each other and building each other up .
With the advent of aggressive feminism, If a guy asks a girl for a date she will report it as a sexual assault, especially in the workplace. The guy will be fired and labeled, perhaps prosecuted. But not to worry! There are too many men in the workforce anyway.
Natasha Rapkin Rule 1. All men are predators But: I am a man Therefore: I am a predator Rule 2 It's OK for girls to kick boys in the nuts Boys should remain passive Solution: Castrate all boys at birth. Rule 3 All women and girls are potential victims of male persons The opposite is NEVER true Rule 4. It is politically incorrect to disagree with the above Rule 5. If a man asks a woman for a date and is refused, asking a second time is justification for accusation of sexual harrassment. THIS TED PRESENTATION IS VERY PC.
Thomas Andrews to me it seems like all men think that feminism is about hating men. it's not! maybe there are some feminists who do hate men and misunderstand feminism themselves, but it just isn't. it's about equality.
***** You still fall into some Feminist logic. 1. How about people not wanting to be alone & have a good time? You know...women have sexual organs too. Singling out THE PENIS doesn't make your argument a very good one. 2. Of course there is a misunderstanding! Some women actually think because they are a woman they can just do it! THAT'S WHY THE SYSTEM IS CORRUPTED! Women have become artificially aggressive because of MARXIST IDEOLOGUES who want to destroy America & control (destroy) population growth. Hence why abortion is so highly practiced....because it's highly promoted & accepted! 3. Wrong. The issue isn't just about RAPE. It just shows how ignorant you really are. It's a major problem in divorce/family courts, the political dialogue, & social dynamics as to who is going to play what role. Listen, I don't like stereotypes much either, but our parents are examples to follow...yes? Why? BECAUSE THEIR RELATIONSHIP ACTUALLY EXISTS & WORKS BECAUSE THEY NEGOTIATE AS INDIVIDUALS!!! They didn't depend on THE SYSTEM or THE COLLECTIVE in order to solve their problems. They brought to the table what they had to offer with love in their hearts. *SOCIALISM & SOCIAL FEMINISM HAS KILLED RATIONAL, EMPIRICAL, LOGICAL DIALOGUE.* It has now become HATE THE MAN & HATE THE WOMAN....& I see no way out of the cycle of hate that was really started by Feminists over-reaching in their arguments. For fuck sakes, we still have women BITCHING ABOUT EQUAL PAY, when there is no difference for low-wage earners & you actually have to go beyond lower & middle classes in order to find much of a difference. Myself & millons of other men are unemployed..........& women are still bitching about how much they are not getting paid for a job most women will never even have. WOMEN ARE CLEARLY LOST IN THEIR FANTASY WORLD! So can we please recognize how full of shit most feminists are at this point? I'd like a change of tone....& perhaps some sanity. 4. Political Correctness comes in the form of sarcasm, public relations, & of course, PROPAGANDA. If you truly saw through it, you'd see how evil Feminism really is & where it is really coming from. 5. If a man wants to ask, he'll ask & as many times as he wants. If women can't say NO repeatedly with comfortable callousness, then they are not adults capable of peaceful & honest dialogue. Fact is, women have reported men for sexual harassment when no threat or physical contact was made. Women are more emotional...so when you finally give them the PHALLUS OF THE STATE they wield it like those amateur light-saber video's....& that's alot of them. Listen, I want men to have civilization as well...but women are also both scared & brutal animals. So lets be a little more objective
I disagree - I think he was addressing more broadly that the values of feminism (equality for the sexes, both economical and social) are more beneficial than the (if they can be called this) "values" of Masculinity when taught to our children. The issue I believe people are having hearing this talk is that he doesn't constantly interject his broad sweeping statements with "but of course there are exceptions to this statement.".
jane doe Dumb... Ass... Feminism has nothing to do with being equal, it only has to do with destroying men, and promoting women. Fucking the entire culture up, and tearing down those that have slaved, and died to provide, and shitting on their graves.
MasterSethern What? I am pretty sure that the actual definition of feminism is defending women's rights to be equal to men. I think what you are thinking of is misandry, which is the hatred of men by women. I also think that you may have some deep seeded issues that have probably been instilled by the media around you growing up, because I do not see how feminism has done all of what you said it has.
I actually thing that MasterSethern is right in saying that feminists wants to destroy men (for those in the extremist side) or for those in rather mild or middle side of feminists, they just want to rule over men. Saying that feminist means the equality between men and women would actually be wrong and its not misandry either, it egalitarian. Egalitarianism is the belief in the principle that all men and women are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.
I am impressed by this man and his topic mainly due to the fact that this the video was forwarded to me by my twelve year old granddaughter. If she gets the message and wants to pass it along to me, her grandmother, why can't others get the message and continue carrying the message?
I don't think Starwars was intended to be the kiddy film series it became in the 90s. If I ever have kids I'll let them see in on their own. Also he fails to mention the number of Males who have been assaulted it much higher than reported. It's really hard to tell with a society that only protects the week when it's convenient or rewarding.
I recommend that the speaker should have his children watch Avatar: The Last Airbender. I'm not talking about the film, which was shockingly bad, but the old cartoon series, which was brilliantly made. That series emphasized the value of teamwork. Yet, it had strong male and female characters.
Oh really, The guy in the video who is comparing the motives of rapists to what they see in a damn childrens animated fantasy movie makes what kind of sense to anyone? Explain that to me.
BrokenGlass043 You're missing the broader message. He is saying that currently, the focus is on girls to empower them selves to not be the helpless damsel in distress, the prize, the one who get raped, and rather we should be focusing equally on empowering boys to not fall into the singular hero role, the prize winner, or the raper role. He is extrapolating on a larger theme with tangible points, not necessarily drawing direct connections or generalizing that all boys who ever watch kids movies will become rapists.
Maggie Graham I really don't like this kind of pop psychology. There's very little evidence to support any of these claims. Young kids learn primarily from observing their parents. If anything the lesson is: don't let them watch too much tv or movies and make sure your interaction with them is more meaningful than the screen.
the problem with this speech is that he is trying to make a good point, but retrospectively, the only thing i can think of is: "Another person saying violent movies and video games make people violent".
Again, he is not drawing direct connections between watching movies and actions later in life. He is making a broader statement that collectively as a society, we have historically encouraged females to be pretty and pliable and for that they will be rewarded. More recently we are teaching independence and strength to girls through pop culture, formal education, and parenting. Boys have always been encouraged to be independent and brave to earn rewards, yet boys are not encouraged to explore the side where they can step back and be led or be a true team player with both women and men. So society and populace attitude suggests that women can have two harmonious images of themselves, but men should only be solo heros. Movies and the ridiculous number of sexual abuse cases are separate manifestations of the same societal effect.
I would disagree with that. When did you first see it? I saw it when I was very young. Kids see it and they want to become the hero. The hero has a cool weapon, a cool power and gets the girls.
Once western society begins to respect the role of the woman as a caretaker and nurturer, and stop forcing them to become men or masculine, the better our society will be. We can be equal, but we don't have to be the SAME. That's the world I would like to live in.
By saying "western society" are you comparing it to eastern societies, such as Asia, India, and the Middle East? Because inequality between men and women is even greater there.
Kristen Elias My point is that the concept of "equality" is already misguided in the mainstream. There's no point in talking about IN-equality if we don't even understand equality. Feminists love to insult the role of the mother or caretaker as low status. What kind of society are they creating by promoting this? It's completely self-destructive and a step backwards for our country.
acumen321 You are right, mothers and caretakers are extremely important roles for either men or women, they are not low-status jobs. I mean, what do they think about fathers? Is that any different than a mother? I sure hope they don't consider that a higher status than a woman.
The fact that this got o many thumbs ups just goes to show how far we have to go. Forcing anyone to accept a role that society has decided for them at birth and calling it "natural" is out dated and oppressive.
Life and situations can be far more complicated. This man has a made a valuable point of the perception of what we find entertaining as a society. But he has right though they don't really talk about too many women as the leader in a gentle caring fashion. Or the man that has to fight for his son or family in a gentle fashion.
Made me think a lot. I am very concerned with the negative comments on this video. Its suppose to make you think. Bc we DO need good role models in movies. Whether they are men or women, we need them. ALL strong role models for our kids. Ones that want to join a team. Whether lead by a man or a woman. Just a strong role model to teach them that no matter the gender, being wise, being patient, being kind to others is what you need to aspire to be. Thats all.
Even though he casually denies it, his whole point is based on entertainment reflecting on society. By his reasoning, I should be cooking meth right now, because I like Breaking Bad. I'd say people need to think for themselves. Whether male or female. Teach your kid the value of asking questions. "Why?" is an annoying question, I know. But kids ask it for a reason: they want to understand. Don't give them bullshit. Give them an informed answer. Yes, I know you're getting tired of answering your kids' questions. But answering your kids' questions now, means they will be answering other people's questions later.
Entertainment does reflect on society, and there's a lot of research in that field if you don't believe me. Your analogy with breaking bad oversimplifies the issue terribly. I mean, Lion King didn't make me run away to Africa to join a pride of lions, but that's not to say it didn't influence me on several levels. Humans are social creatures and are swayed by what we see other humans doing. Take for instance beauty in the media. A boy growing up now has a completely different idea of what it means to be a successful man than a boy did fifty years ago. For one thing, fifty years ago images of unnaturally muscular, hairless men weren't all over the media. Or sexual promiscuity in entertainment. Do you honestly believe that kids growing up nowadays aren't influenced by the sex scenes in nearly every movie? Especially compared to kids fifty years ago? (btw I'm not arguing sex in film as good or bad, just that it strongly influences people's ideals and expectations)
dragonswyft Sounds to me like you're naming examples of men being sexualized. It's been going on with women for ages. If you're allowing yourself to be so manipulated by movies and other media, you're exactly in need of what I was arguing for: critical thinking.
accordingToSpecs Um, I named *one* example of men being sexualised because I identify with them more strongly. The others were gender neutral. I would argue that you're in need of some critical thinking skills if you honestly believe you live in a vacuum with your thoughts and ideals uninfluenced by society.
dragonswyft You're the one bringing up beauty in the media, referring to successful men and muscular, hairless men. Then you go on to make a point about "sexual promiscuity", as you call it. Is it strange that I would notice a pattern here? Are you a gay dude by any chance? (Not judging you, just curious.)
accordingToSpecs Don't really know where this debate is going now, but no (pro gay rights though). The male beauty example came to mind because I had some self-esteem issues growing up which I don't think were helped along by the media. In regard to sexual promiscuity, I brought up that example because it's a strong one, no matter what gender lens you're looking through.
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Did this guy actually watch Star Wars? Princess Leia was completely badass. Yah, she did wait around for a bit until she was released from her holding cell, big deal. But as soon as she was released, she used her blaster and razor sharp leadership to unleash her unstoppable fury upon the Empire for the remainder of the movie and the next 2 parts of the trilogy. I thought she was an awesome female role model. To say what this guy said is an insult to the character, the actress, George Lucas, and Star Wars nerds world round.
He points out the gender representation inequality in Star Wars. Aunt Baru and Leia WERE the only lead females (and almost the only females at all) in the original trilogy. Granted, Leia IS a total badass, but these movies started a trend in film where females are poorly represented in film. The films that followed said trend do not typically depict female characters independence and strong will as Princess Leia.
mynameisobel84 That's fair to say. There are only two women with speaking roles in the movie. Although, it was made by a bunch of nerds, I'd imagine they didn't know many women at the time. Hahaha. But seriously, perhaps I'm still missing the point, or I'm hung up on what he said about Star Wars. I just don't think it's a good example to use.
All the fairy tales in Disney movies are not so innocent for example Beauty and the Beast. So I learned that somebody could be beastly and really turn into a Charming Prince... My life experience has definitely not taught me that! You have many good points in this video.
aw, man. I disobeyed my own rule. When watching a video about women's issues NEVER READ THE COMMENTS. They make me sad for myself and every woman I know.
I've come to believe that it is just human nature what is slowing down civil and equal development. We humans are natural survivors, it's our instinct, and this instinct don't let those in the "power" position to loose it up a little bit for those with less power. I am not saying women are being subjugated by man but there's definitely a tendency for men to have the upper hand in many situations. Just look at the swearing and insults of many languages, and you'll see that most of them are directly or indirectly related to feminity. It's sad, but at least there's noticeable progress compared to how this world was years ago.
@@davidflores909 there was progress, yes, but as of today men and women are equal. there are no "women's issues" nowadays, atleast in first world countries
I love the wizard of Oz. But it's a dream. Dorothy was a submissive teenage girl crying and running away from her problems when a twister interrupted her drama. In fact, its safe to say her dog Toto was put down shortly after the events unfolded. Nothing was solved. But even in the dream, her interaction was accidental. She didn't mean to kill the wicked witch of the east. She didn't want a confrontation with the wicked witch of the west. She didnt know which direction to take at the fork in the road. She was confused and lost crutched on her friends as much as they crutched on her. She was basically along for the ride.
That was powerful. Agree with every single word he said. In comparison to past times, the gender roles changed a lot, but the stereotypes that you can still see in the media did not. We have to keep up with the changes and learn how to adapt to them. I'm sure the world will be a better place with the people who support the speaker. Well done!
That's true. Any time anyone gets angry they immediately hit or smash something. Just like how they never say goodbye on the phone, they always just hang-up. And somehow that's okay...
If theres no logic in the opinions of people, i find it so hard to communicate with them reasonably. There's never a time when all people can undestand each other. Unless theres a totalitarian regime that kills all other points of views.
***** An opinion is of someone's own thoughts and ideas on a subject, and how they feel about it. like for example: "i hate apple pie due to it's crust" now that is an opinion. something like: "apple pie has apples in it, which are sweet", is a statement with logic behind it. thank you for reading.
Feminism changed the meaning of the word. the word literaly meant a house hold where the father is the leader of said household, as in the one bringing in the most money . Feminism made it into a system of opression and everything they do not like is suddenly part of this patriarchy , in a way it is a selffulfilling prophecy.
The Bechdel Test is brilliant. The rest of this talk was not. Princess Leia was a revolutionary character in Sci-Fi and film in general. From line one she's introduced as a Senator. When the film was released in 1977 there were no women serving in the U.S. Senate. When attacked she defends herself expertly with firearms. She's the only one to see through the Empire's subterfuge while the boys are patting themselves on the back for "Mission Accomplished!" And she's a senior military commander. The only time she wears a revealing outfit is when she's forced to by a giant gurgling slug, and then she uses that very outfit to kill said slug. All that without once clicking her sparkly heels together and hoping its all a dream.
this is such an incredible speech because there's so much behind the statistic that one out of five women get abused and i like the fact you made this point on this subject
He first talked about a test that was "does the movie have 2 female characters who talk to each other about stuff other than their love interest?". He then claimed (falsely) that only 11 out of 100 movies passed that test because only 11 out of 100 movies have female protagonists. But that was NOT what the test was. It had NOTHING to do with protaganists (hero characters), or even main characters. It was specifically if there were at least two female characters who converse with each other about something other than their love interest. This man is MISREPRESENTING the study! This man is trying to TWIST the nature of the study results of the study to claim it had something to do with a proposed test, that it actually has NOTHING to do with.
He said out of 20xx's Top 100 Movies only 11 passed the test. It wasn't just a random 100 movies picked and then counted, but the Top 100. It's about representing females properly, after all, and not just as nameless, lineless, backdrop characters that may just sit there and chatter about men. Granted he left out that the females also had to be named (named, with lines). Despite that indescripacy, he's saying that the lack of proper gender representation and using archaic plot structures encourage a sort of image upon young and impressionable minds. That maybe if we readdressed the movies children watch we could help deter the issues with gender roles, representation, and so on at a much more earlier stage in life when their personalities and impressions of the world are being formed.
That's not what he said. He actually did not finish the Bechdel test analysis. He said that 11 contain female protagonists. I'm not a big fan of the Bechdel Test. Movies need more diverse subjects, but romance will always be the favorite subject -- and most movies are going to include a hint of it.
If you're going to make a claim refuting his explanation, then please make a counter claim with evidence. So far, my research states that indeed he was fairly correct in his very blanket presentation of the subject.
I believe that it is dangerous to announce who is a REAL man or woman. If you do that, then you make stereotypes and the people that don't fit in these boxes are thereby wrong men or women .
It's true that stereotypes are dangerous, but what "stereotype" did he really set up? That we should aspire our kids to treating people fairly and more gender equality? Yeah, it does create a stereotype, but the people who don't "fit in those boxes" would just be sexist and treat people bad, so yeah, they are wrong. I feel like it's an alright assumption to make there that we don't want more sexist assholes/bitches in the world...
I feel the problem with most kids movies is that they are either targeting boys or girls, and not both. When you end up targeting one gender, you end up alienating and misrepresenting the other.
I see many insecure men doing their things on this comment sections and disliking this video. And they are pathetic! As a woman who don't drink or smoke and living very healthy way but sexually assaulted by men many times in the past, I totally agree with what Colin's saying. People get brainwashed by a media. And I'm tired of those hero movies made it by a man, played by men. It is very unrealistic! Think about how many sex offenders out there. You may not have a daughter or single or whoever.... your daughter can be a victim in the future. So please wake the fuck up and stop the sexism!
I agree that sexism needs to stop, but people shouldn't be teaching their kids that men are villains. This guy just needs to stop over-thinking the movies and teach his kids what's right and wrong. He could start by saying that it's not always going to be a male attacker and a female victim.
How to train your dragon seems like a good movie for promoting teamwork
I disagree with most of this video.
But to play devils advocate, that movie is very terrible movie. The boy does something "good" even if it is on a team, but only to get what he "deserves" as if, he was entilted to the girl once he did the right thing.
It also shows girls, to blindly like and treat the heros nicely, but be dicks to the nerds.
*****
Well, the main character was a bit of a 'nerd' and not a big strong hero like his dad so the last point doesn't really make any sense.
And the girl wasn't like a useless little princess in a tower crying "save me save me", she was the best fighter in their class... So its not like he was entitled to the girl for saving her or something.
She seemed to have her own reasons for falling for the main character.
And, by the end of the movie, they go from discriminating against dragons, to living alongside them peacefully which I don't think is such a bad thing...
Um have you seen how to train your dragon 2...hiccup is hot lol
I THINK YOU MEAN DREAM WORK (TROUGHS HAT INTO THE AIR)
I think the bigger issue is parents handing the reigns to media. They rely on movies and tv to teach their kids teamwork and being nice and brave, instead of instilling those values themselves. Your comment rather proves it.
You have no idea how much I loved this lecture. He's 100% right; parents, make sure you monitor what your kids are watching. For you never know how greatly the shows, movies, and games will impact their lives.
It may be a small thing and may seem unimportant, but it's the small things that we should monitor.
Love Love LOVE this lecture.
Hang on one moment. When Luke Skywalker first meets Princess Leia he appears dressed as a stormtrooper. Luke takes off the helmet and says we're here to rescue you. We're with Ben. Leia quickly realizes that the rescue plan isn't much of a plan. And when they get pinned down by fire she grabs a blaster and starts shooting. Very early on Lei establishes that she is no damsel in distress waiting for a white knight to ride in on a horse. This is a woman who takes matters into her own hands and gets things down.Dorothy goes oh me oh my. Everything is so scary. Shall I sing you a song?
She was scared, yes, but she pushed through, and kept the team together
Sean Webb Maybe that’s how you see it but you are missing some of his other points... like Star Wars is war movie, there are only two women who have main roles, he’s talking about respect and helping one another. Maybe you wrote this before you watched the end of the video. Start at 6:45 and listen to what his end point is.
7 years late to that but I'm gonna answer anyway- I think that he pointed out that a woman doesn't always have to have "traditionally male characteristics and skills" like shooting and fighting, although they are valid as well, to be a strong female character, meaning a woman can be a good role for kids exhibiting " traditional feminine skills'' - like wit, compassion, emotional intelligence and others. (though there shouldn't be a divide whatsoever)
Instead of looking for women to lead a team, we should focus on working together as male and female.
We should learn to make positive relationships.
Cami or pick the person most capable to lead a team
The most qualified person or people should lead the team. Excluding anyone from positions based on gender is sexism and teaching women they should disregard men because of their gender is teaching discrimination and bias and devaluing the men.
@Cami, I don't think teamwork is something men understand unless that team has a leader such as in football, baseball has a captain of the team, and the whole Alpha Dog mentality. I think women are the only ones who truly understand equality among the team. I'm not trying to be sexist Tobias but this is just my observation. As far as girl power and boy power goes mentioned by the speaker, there's nothing wrong with either one as long as both remember to hold the other and every other person in the highest respect and to treat themselves that way as well. The problem is that feminism wants to dominate just as Macho-ism did in the past. Both are wrong. Humility and respect is what should dominate regardless of your gender or ideas.
*sexist or biased..
@@pamelag7553 yeah. Thn y u speak biased.. This tells women don't seek equality.. For I. E if we have men coach or captain as a man he
Will support.. Nd encourage women team.. Or any etc.. Where if it a women.. She only sees biased..on women team none like men who teach real female strength Cuz they say we r weak.. But we want dominant,. na😁😂
I think the biggest problem is that our society chastises any male that enjoys things we deem to be feminine. A great example is today's Bronys (adult male fans of the cartoon My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic). Bronys are regarded negatively by many, many people, with some going as far as to call them pedophiles. In-fact a young boy recently tried to commit suicide after being bullied repeatedly for liking My Little Pony. This sort of attitude causes young boys to actively disassociate themselves with anything "girly" out of fear of being outcast. Masculinity seems to be something that is prized above all else in our society, even for women and young girls. The thing I believe people forget is that someone can be feminine and still be strong. A girl doesn't have to dress in battle armor or boys clothes and learn to fix cars and shoot guns, she can be just as strong and self-sufficient while wearing a dress and collecting dolls. On the flip side a boy doesn't need to be some macho meat-head who constantly barbeques and plays/watches sports to be a "real man".
Now that's not to say that those personality types are bad. If a girl truly enjoys fixing cars or shooting guns then she's perfectly fine doing so. The same goes for boys who truly want to adhere to the masculine stereotype (and I use that word lightly). However, we shouldn't push children to go toward the one we deem appropriate. I have two nephews. They were both raised the exact same way by the same two parents, and are only about 2 years apart. One enjoys Hotwheels, The Avengers and all the other things society deems "normal" for a boy his age to like. The other absolutely adores the Disney Princesses, particularly the girl from Brave. He even plays with dolls of them. Neither boy was pushed into liking anything. They were simply allowed to have the toys they enjoyed more, and because of it they are both extremely happy, well mannered children. Neither of them sees the other one's choice in toys as weird, they just accept that they have different tastes. This is, in my opinion, what we as a society need to strive toward.
Well said, and thank you for taking the time to say it.
bygonyaw Glad you liked it, friend. I've wanted to say this for a while and I figured this video was the perfect place to say it.
Indeed I did. This is something I've thought about before too, but I don't end up saying a lot of the things I think because it takes time, and I have so little of it, so it's nice to see someone said what I didn't have the time to.
Thank you, this is exactly my stance too!
I am so glad there is another sane person here. Thank you!
At the end of the video I found myself going into tears...This is absolutely true and very crucial for the children of this generation and beyond...Thank you for sharing this with the world :')
It's nice to see someone point out that younger boys can fall through the cracks in our well-meaning scramble to celebrate stronger women, while also aknowledging that emphasis on strong women is also important.
Change takes time, not overnight. Everyone who is saying that this is a great talk and things need to change. You are the change and you are the voice.
I love this. We teach our girls how to fight, and how to defend themselves, and then turn around and teach our boys how to, ultimately, be the boys that we're trying to protect our girls from. Teach our boys as well as our girls :)
*watches video* Wow this was a really good presentation on how gender roles in movies are presented, I wonder if any one else thought so?
*looks at comment section* I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Someone that agrees with me. These are surely all silly men in the comments.
Thank god, a safe section. For now, at least.
Splinter4077 there's bound to be some hater intrude on us.
Wow. I see what you mean... Case in point, I suppose.
He must be an awesome dad :)
I teared up a little at the end when he said 'like the Wizard of Oz'.
The Wizard of Oz and The Sound of Music were two of the films me and my siblings watched the most when we were growing up (and not always because we chose to watch those two films, mind you). Watching this has made me reflect on my view of women to an even greater degree than I have ever done before (and, yes, I'm a gay man and yes I have had my moments of thoughtless sexism just like straight men).
The overall point Colin Stokes is making, in my opinion, is simple: Quests that don't follow the archaic plot cliche of 'I fight. I win. I get the girl/guy'. In exposing children at a young age to films that follow said archaic plot, we are, more than anything, putting pressure on our children from the get-go that until you 'get the girl/guy', you won't be accepted.
"If you can't love yourself, how in the hell are you going to love someone else. Can I get an amen?" - Rupaul.
Thank you.
hear i was thinking his going to talk about the subliminal messages cartoons have, but ends up making some crap gay statement thats just wasted my time, damien your gay u understand i think u fancied him getting jiggy with u damien ass is the reason u put him on with this tittle.
Really? The fact that *that* was what you were looking for already says how little you truly know. I'm guessing you still ended up getting nothing from the video, because you were too busy thinking of how upset you were that he wasn't talking about fake "subliminal messages" people put into shows, ads, and other media. I mean really, how much of that crap do even think is real? It's a stupid gimmick that was created so the ones creating it could gain fame and popularity from an idea that makes no sense. I guess you're one of those believers of the New World Order as well, but that's fine. Continue your life trusting in all these lies that this broken and corrupted society throws at you.
Akbar Moazzen Why is it always the case that bigots can't spell? Is it important to you that you MAKE SURE we know you're a fucking idiot?
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It really is a wonderfully hilarious thing to behold isn't it?
DamienHurts Amen to that. You know, when I was young the strong female characters tended to be villians. Luna and Chilla from the Thundercats come to mind. The only strong female hero I really remember was She-ra. There are other strong female characters in other cartoons but they tended to be second in command or lower.
That father has a lot of true inside his brain. Bravo! It's that kind a people who are going to build a better society.
Stunningly good TED talk - reaffirms why Aladdin is such a great Disney movie, Aladdin really is the perfect hero, he gets where he does through intelligence and cunning, wins the princess by apologising and admitting his mistakes, and doesn't even kill the bad guy! That's my kind of role model.
this guy is on to something. As a future director of films, i want to promote this ideal when i get out into the field.
That guy is a real man, his kids will hopefully teach others how to treat each other. But the comments here make me sick. Men feel attacked and go super offensive when it's pointed out how woman are treated today. Horrible.
***** UsagiVeg is stereotyping a majority of men yet I agree with the speaker on how something is wrong culturally on how we view women. Lots of popular culture doesn't view women as an equal human yet a prize to be claimed. It could be argued that kids movies don't play into this but something is going wrong and something must change. I doubt you will change your attitude but please keep an open mind before critiquing other peoples points.
***** So basically what your saying is because they appear to be victims they are victimized?
***** No. It is about the fact that women are seen as inferior, simply because of their gender.
UsagiVeg was not being super-offensive. Only the men attacking in their comments were mentioned and that is hardly *all* men.
You are also making assumptions about someone you don't know. Why? Do you feel that threatened that you would try to divert attention away from yourself like that, that you would attack someone else and make such scathing generalisations about them?
What is threatening about women having an equal place in society *next* to men? What about that threatens you so deeply that you would attack?
***** And why do you think they have low self-esteem?
Again, I ask you, why did you see an attack where none existed, to the point where you felt the need to "retaliate"?
***** yes some women have low self esteem but that comes from society you cat blame us for it. Actually you can blame us but then your saying its my fault I have low self esteem. I grew up and my whole life been told I wasn't good enough, I was to ugly, I wasn't a size 0 so I was fat. My best friend was gorgeous but she chose to hang out with me. I was a nobody I was a "loner". Then one day she came up to me and started calling me names and pushed me down. She knew my weaknesses and used them to get to me then she confessed,she wasn't ever me friend she just used me. With these things thrown at me its hard not to have low self esteem so please keep going on and saying its our fault but please lets remember what is going on in the world.
Or we could all just watch Lilo and Stitch. That's got all the sci-fi action and weird aliens of Star Wars, plus a female protagonist who saves the day by befriending others like Wizard of Oz (although Lilo also bites and fights her bully).
God. Reading the comments you would have thought the guy in the video was asking fathers to sacrifice their first born sons on an altar to honor a death goddess of hatred and violence against men.
What I really don't understand is the level of...AGGRESSIVE ANGER towards what I feel are, positive messages. They don't have to be logical. They don't have to be correct. But if they make the world a better place if followed (and I think they would), then...what is the goddamn problem?!
what a beautiful message from a unique standpoint. Teach your sons, not just your daughters.
Sigh, this makes me sad… not the video but the response to this video. It takes a decent human being to accept somebody else's opinion about something, not a good human being, a DECENT one meaning it should be EXPECTED that others won't take it personally as a blow to their ego. Unfortunately that is obviously not the case with some of the people who have watched this. Personally I think that the message sent is absolutely beautiful and I would love to have this man as my father. I wish people would learn to respect others more, you may not necessarily agree with them but there's no need whatsoever to insult or hate on any one particular person unless you know them personally and know that they are really horrible. Prejudgment has led to many errors to be made in the past… I wish it would stop.
I know and I respect that. That's why I said "I wish it would stop" and not something like "It should stop". It's going to keep happening even if I don't want it too and I've got no right to tell people to stop doing so. 😊
shadowfreak75 I would be honored to have a intellectual, caring man like this as my father, husband or son.
shadowfreak75 DUDE man or women what ever you are your right 'prejudgement' leads to errors and i have evidence to back it up .The kind of evidence a women can understand ruclips.net/video/r-Y0dTNH7Ns/видео.html
Yata just because you can say whatever you want does not mean that it is recommended to use that right to push others down and hate on everything. Say what you wish, but I encourage respect for all.
yes, because pointing out the sheer sexism of him prioritizing women over men is TOTALLY just men "getting their egos smashed"
i wonder how much debates you've won
This actually made me think. I need to look into this, both in my own self, but also in socity at large
I clicked on this video because i seen Chihiro Ogino. Sprited away is most likely my favorite film, even my step dad who 'hates' japanese films loves spirited away. Now that tells me we need more movies like that!
If you liked the message of this video, do not, I repeat, DO NOT look at the comments.
My heads screwed up now. lol they're taking this to heart apparently.
Is this a paradox? Wait... Was that question a paradox?
Too late...
If I don't like the video should I avoid the comments section as well? Your comment implies that one should only look at things they like and avoid everything they disagree with. So much for an open mind.
you did why shouldn't i
I am obliged to take on the question of Harry Potter here. Firstly, the Bechdel Test.
1. Was there an important female character? Yes. But in line with the analysis of US movies, in the central characters the males outnumbered the females precisely two to one. Among the secondary children, Fred and George outnumbered Ginny two to one. A balance is eventually achieved between Luna and Neville. Petunia is outnumbered by husband and son. McGonagall is outnumbered by Dumbledore, Snape and Hagrid as significant adult characters.
2. Do the females ever interact verbally? Sometimes, briefly, but generally very meaningfully. Hermione has an interaction with Dolores Umbridge. Narcissa and Bellatrix talk briefly. Molly has words with Bellatrix. Umbridge speaks to Sibyl Trelawny. Hermione has words with Lavender Brown.
3. Do the females discuss matters other than the man that interests them? Yes, in every case except Hermione and Lavender. The best interaction between females is the dynamic standoff between two powerful females, Professors McGonagall and Umbridge.
At no point in the movies does Hermione, as the central female, have a meaningful spoken interaction with a female peer, Ginny, Luna, Cho, etc.
The movies are in general focussed entirely on the male hero, and very few scenes are shown where he is not present, or the incident is not one that he would know about by another means, e.g. destruction of the Millennium Bridge. This rules out discussions at which Harry is not present. One of the very few is the scene of the Unbreakable Vow.
Secondly: Are the Harry Potter females active participants as heros and villains?
This is certainly the case.
The stories, overall, fit the stereotypical "Fairy Tale" model. Part of this model relates to the role of Princesses, Witches, Fairies, Queens and Does.
A Princess is a good, wise, kind, motivated female. Cinderella and Snow White are characteristic. Hermione and Ginny fit the model, as does Lily Potter.
A Witch is a woman consumed by envy, jealousy and malice. Petunia Dursley, Dolores Umbridge and Bellatrix le Strange are magnificent examples of villainous females.
A Fairy is a wise female who has special knowledge or skill to facilitate the success of the hero. Luna Lovegood and Sibyl Trelawney are Fairies, in the Fairytale sense.
A Queen is someone who stands somewhat remote from the action that involves the hero, but is able to make wise decisions that affect the direction of the story. McGonagall is typical of this character.
The Doe of the story is Narcissa Malfoy, the essentially good female who is doomed to sorrow through her faithful attachment.
In considering Hermione's role as a Fairytale Princess, we perceive her within the context of the books and movies as a secondary character to the male hero. But on the other hand, we could easily see Hermione as the hero of her own story. It would be possible to entirely retell the story from a Hermione perspective.
Thirdly: Screen violence for children.
The books of the Harry Potter series contain violence, of that there is no doubt. They begin with the attempted murder of a one-year-old baby and the murder of his parents. We know from early in the first book that someone else is going to die, probably at the hands of our young hero.
But the first two movies were made by Chris Columbus. Chris Columbus had given the world Gremlins, in which we were invited to laugh at the sight of a man being killed by his own snow-plough, and at the sound of a multi-car pile-up at the traffic lights. Gremlins brought to the screen the sort of violent actions that were reversible, when we witnessed them in cartoons, but were irreversible, in this new context. Children were taken to see Gremlins, and laughed right through it, as they would laugh at the violent actions of Bugs Bunny or Tom and Jerry.
Chris Columbus just did not "get" that Harry Potter was not Home Alone. It was not about Kiddy Violence as a form of entertainment.
Consequently, Chris Columbus destroyed an essential element in the character of Harry himself, right in the very first movie. Strangely, the change that he made is one that very few children pick up on, and I find this fact really quite tragic, because it says something about children's changing perceptions.
Near the end of the book "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" (or whatever you prefer to call it), Professor Quirrell attempts to seize hold of Harry, but cannot hold him, because of a searing pain in his hands. Voldemort orders Quirrell to kill Harry. Harry realises that Quirrell cannot bear his touch so he grabs Quirrell by the wrist, causing him acute pain and making him unable to produce a curse. Harry faints, and presumably Quirrell does as well. When Harry returns to consciousness, he has bee rescued and is in the hospital wing, attended by Dumbledor, who has saved the day.
But in the Movie, as directed by Chris Columbus, touching Harry does not simply cause acute pain to Quirrell; it causes his hand to crumble away and drop off. Then, the little hero, with murderous intent, rushes at Quirrell, seizing his face with both hands, and hanging on with all his might until the man's head has crumbled and fallen off.
Our sweet innocent little Harry Potter has turned into a remorseless killer. Even that other cool and ruthless Brit with a license-to-kill showed more sentiment over the demise of a would-be assassin than little Harry Potter did!
And children across the world accepted this as a portrayal of the character of their hero. When I watch this with children, I pause the video at this point and say "The Movie Makers are about to get this part horribly wrong! This is not the way that J.K.R wrote it!"
Violence in Harry Potter, part 2.
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets has approximately 9 minutes of unnecessary and extended violence.
The willow whomping, and whomping and whomping and whomping and whomping
The spiders chasing and chasing and chasing and chasing and chasing.
The basilisk attacking and attacking and attacking and attacking and attacking.
Why?
If these 9 minutes had been left out, what could have been put in, instead?
2 full seconds of Filch petting Mrs Norriss at the end.
The Weasleys, so important at the beginning of the book, coming to be reunited with their daughter, to round the story off.
Harry's brief moment of loneliness, at seeing a Happy Family, in which he has no part.
The most offensive moment in this movie does not concern willows, spiders or basilisks.
It concerns Ron, a nice British schoolboy who has grown up in a loving family. But with a stupid expression on his face, he takes up a stone and belts a man on the head, a man who he knows has already lost his wits. This is the Home-Alone factor, characteristic of a Chris Columbus product; violence perpetrated by a child, for no reason except to get a laugh out of the audience. This scene really upset and angered many British parents who did not accept it as either funny, or the way in which they would expect a child to act.
Gratuitous violence is not funny.
The real nature of the character that is Harry Potter is revealed in other aspects of the series: Harry cannot leave Fleur's sister under water. He cannot leave Cedric Diggory, either without the information that he needs, or to his fate in the maze. He cannot bring himself to curse Bellatrix. He cannot let Snape die without attempting to save him. He cannot leave Draco to the flames. He cannot run from Voldemort and leave the people in Hogwarts to perish.
The final showdown between Harry Potter and Voldemort loses sight of this entirely. In the book, Harry repeatedly defends himself, and while doing so, he attacks Voldemort in the way that most disables him; he destroys his pride through the power of words. Harry does not "kill" Voldemort; he deflects his attacks until Voldemort ultimately kills himself. In the movie, this battle simply became another action scene. Harry's real triumph was lost. And so was the main point of the whole series.
@@MandyJMaddison I agree. So why are our children encouraged, led, shaped, & conditioned to embrace this stuff???
Very good talk. We must develop a society that respects and values women as well as teaches our sons that being a man isn't just about violence and power. Strengthen our daughters and teach our sons, in other words.
He identifies a real problem then takes a left turn at the solution.
exactly
It's great to see how this dad worry about his children, specially his daughter.Raising a daughter is not easy in this society. Discrimination,violence, women are the first victims. It has to change !
Discrimination and violence against women happens less often than to gays, at least in the USA.
RandomHelpingGuy This isn't a game of "Who has it the worst?" Yeah, sure her wording could have been different and more precise. Also, she might not be from the United States. You missed the point.
Diana K I'm making a comparison. I didn't say she was from North America, but I was saying discrimination happens more often to gays.
The problem with your plea is this, the ones who need to hear it, aren't listening. They are probably out there gang banging, drinking, and drugging it up. Meanwhile we men here who are out there pursuing an education and bettering themselves are the one's who hear the women whine and cry about how bad they have it, and how bad men screw them over. Sadly we get sick of hearing it, why, because we are the ones doing it.
RandomHelpingGuy Crimea River.
Princess Merida from Brave & Mulan are on the top of my favorite Disney princess list (& Elsa of course). I just love that they don't follow the leader and do their own thing, even if that thing is considered a "boy" thing. They're great models for little girls.
Spirited Away!
Miyazaki's Films are works of art that touch straight to the Heart ;;^_^;;
7:25 DAMN
Hit the nail there.
Noire
ahahah I don't think so.
There was a time during high school that every friday we would hang out at this friends house. One of the guys would frequently plug in the Xbox, play GTA 4, and the rest of us would watch him for hours running over people with a truck, while chatting and drinking beer. Maybe it has nothing to do with it, but that guy was a bit eccentric. Once we went camping and he threw an axe at a friend while drunk, missing him barely. lmao.
I know our fantasies and our reality are different things, but maybe our fantasies can tell something about our personalities. We always go steps further in our fantasies of course, because we know we are not hurting anybody. And lets face it, running over screaming people in a videogaem is fucking hilarious.
So maybe I wont lock up my daughter in a tower and turn her into an ogre by nightfall, but I might find funny to yell her "make me a sandwich!". I still love you future daughter. lol
I am surprised to see so many negative comments here. No, movies alone will not solve the problem, but they're a good start. The guy had ten minutes and he stuck to his subject. I'm just relieved that a grown man is taking an active position as a father to empower both his daughter AND his son.
No surprise. It's from scratch a NEGATIVE video.
My show recommendation for this guy is only Sailor Moon
This was awesome. I have an 8 month old son and it was cool to see a ted talk on parenting. I've been thinking about this myself.
oh my god.. i had never thought of that... Thank you for this!
Wow. These comments are more than enough proof that what this man is saying holds some truth. Threaten to take out men as the lead in movies, and it turns into a barrage of insults and different versions of "this is stupid" by whom? Boys.
True. I mean, why should it even matter if a man or the woman's the lead?
You're using trolls to define a gender? That's a fallacy (hasty generalisation)
***** Surely you can't be serious
Matthew Geiberras I'd say he's a troll.
I agree, Women have done great things in the past - Hell, every man (except Adam) has a mother - who raised him and helped him become who he is.
So - without women there would be no men.
Women are truly undermined in today's society. Especially with all the music and movies - constantly showing women as a goal to attain instead of a fellow human being.
Hell - just name one adult movie that doesn't contain some kind of sexual tension between a male and female character? One that doesn't have the women wearing spandex and the guy standing there staring at her butt.
I honestly can't remember a single one.
This is an important message, delivered in a subtle, yet powerful way. I highly recommend it for anyone raising kids today.
Hiyo Miyuzaki movies are renown for passing test.
Hayao Miyazaki* :) Yes, almost all of his animated films pass the Bechdel test because he highly encourages and supports feminism. Unlike Harry Potter and the Hunger Games, his movies also promote anti-war. When Spirited Away won an Academy Award, Miyazaki refused to come to the U.S. because he did not want to visit the country who was "bombing Iraq".
Like I said.... for so long! It needs more men who speak FOR women and not against women!
If I may make an adjustment: Don't speak FOR women, speak WITH women. Men and women banding together will bring about true equality.
Yes, but these men will be called gay or similar. No one would pay attention on their statements.
:) Im very glad to read this. Thanks.
Not again! We've already gone through this in 1832! Jokes ;) I totally agree.
Men don't speak against woman,commonly at a young age boys are taught to praise woman,the child mind is very gullible to whatever someone says,churches do the same thing to children at a young age.My father tries to teach me the same thing.Oh and not to mention girls are taught to hit a boy whenever they want.
I don't think it's really the filmmakers responsibility to raise your kid for you or inform anyone about what gender roles in society should be. Raise your own children, Show them the role models you would like to show them, and just enjoy your popcorn and movie.
Im not sure i follow. Are you implying that writers are using these films to "program" our brains perception of what a woman should be and what a man should be? Like...Really?
I don't think that very much blame is deserved by film makers. These type of film makers are not trying to change our minds, they're trying to make money by showing us things that we will like and telling us ideas that we already agree with. In that way, films show us what ideas already exist in our society.
Anthony Grant It's not that the writers are intentionally using films to malicious program people, but rather that the overwhelming trend of movies portraying gender roles this way DOES influence societal norms and expectations.
I could see that, to a degree, but that's just how social progress works. my point is that one shouldn't expect pixar/disney/dreamworks
to inform your children on anything, they do Not have that responsibility. They want to create an entertainmening film that appeals to the widest possible audience, and makes a lot of money...those are their only concerns, and I think that's more than just.
The point is that these filmmakers have the power to influence our children no matter how we raise them. TV and film are entertainment, yes, but it takes a while for children to be able to separate reality and fiction.
Also, they can create an entertaining film that appeals to the widest possible audience that does not fit into gender stereotypes. A really popular movie called Frozen just recently came out, and it was about two female protagonists. It shouldn't be difficult to make a movie with female protagonists, and those movies are usually just as entertaining to all audiences as movies with male protagonists are.
I just love this speech, I just click and will share with a lot of them. I see men in my own family that see women as liability, non thinkers, non defined, silent followers or EVIL.I keep on telling my friends that we need to try our best to bring up better men. Because our focus is on the potential victims being enablers only, we often miss that a predator or systematic power hungry person (male or female) is very skilled and gains in experience. A perfectly balanced and smart person can fall in the trap of that kind: often women, sometimes men too... When BRAVE came out I did have a talk with my kids and insisted on the independence, the skills, the inner strength of that princess: YOU CAN BE A PRINCESS AND BE STRONG, DETERMINED, SMART...now falling for witchcraft to control her mother was ABSOLUTELY A REVERSAL OR SPOILING OF THINGS. That is another story...
I don't like what he said at the end.
Boys should look at female leads as role models?
People identify with characters that are like themselves. For instance, when watching Beauty and the Beast, boys will attach more to the Beast, or the Candlestick, or even Gaston (the villain) than Belle. (And I think the beast is a good role model in a way, because he was in a process of learning to control anger, which is important)
With a female lead, they'll look at the sidekicks, just as girls will look at the male protagonists female sidekicks to identify with.
I think girls need more protagonists, yes, but boys also need protagonists that show that problems can be solved without violence.
Your black and white opinion sounds very ignorant
you're saying you can't relate at all to any women? Seriously?
Corbinite I (being an adult) can. But from my observations (not a real study I know) boys and girls identify with what they feel their gender is.
However, I also understand, although many male protagonists may not be up to par as role models, there are less female protagonists. Flat out. So asking for more good male protagonists is not as high on the food chain to him.
Gatzlocke actually, that was one of the things he was asking for. When he said "good role models for boys" he was talking about men boys can look up to who treat women as equals. Male characters who respect women fully and show the boys how to act.
Corbinite 9:00 to 9:32 Near the end-cap of his presentation.
It's to seek out heroines to identify with. Not heroes who are respectful and join a team and fight alongside heroines.
I could argue, that in Full Metal Alchemist (brotherhood), that all 3 of the questions are answered: yes.
(edit): In fact, Hellsing ultimate is also a contender.
most anime shows/ movies have great inspiring characters for girls and boys
Blood
Ghost in The Shell
Avatar the Legend of Kora(yes its is Anime)
...I could list anime for days but american cartoons are really dumb down out of fear its ok, because if cartoon network and the Disney channel, and Nickelodeon dont change and evolve they are going to implode because of there way of doing things!
Musiclover6404 kora sucks
Avast Samble Korra isn't anime. Also ATLA was a good show for girls, the sequel nonwithstanding.
It's a little easier to pass the three questions when you have dozens of hours of dialog (like FMA does) than when you have a 2 hour movie.
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I can never understand why intelligent, educated people assume the position that Hollywood is anything other than a commercial interest. It has no obligation to provide moral guidance to its viewers. They make the movies they believe will make the most money, which is of course why most of them are, on the whole, utter rubbish.
Doesn't change the fact that it still fucking sucks.
areyouserious People make art to express themselves and their own thoughts. Getting upset that art does not portray your personal thoughts is saying that you are a narrow-minded person who cants stand another persons feelings or opinion. So you are saying intelligent people are all narrow-minded and prejudice? Nice to know you think so.
areyouserious Sorry to break it to you but pretty much anything that could be considered "entertaining" could also be considered a "waste of time". But then again, life itself doesn't really have a clear goal, so it's not really wasted if it doesn't take time away from... any objective.
Besides, there are plenty of independant studios making movies that are meaningful, that dare to show the other side, and try to show some morals as well.
But, in moves as well as in books, music, games, portraits, pretty much ANY form of art, you're gonna have to step away from the big named if you want to see something that's not made for mass appeal. Most people seem to forget that these companies HAD to cater to the masses to get where they are now.
Who the hell expects anything original, nowadays, from Warner Bros, 20th, Disney...
Propaganda, maybe not. "Not helping" is more like it.
Basically, it's entertainment. Period
Might as well never make any fiction then. Hell, just walking down a street is propaganda for the people who built those streets. The cheap white shirt you're wearing? promoting slave labor in China. The air you breathe? promoting being able to survive through the air pollution...
Look, don't try to see TOO far in things like that. There might be a bit of publicity here and there, but some things are meant for people who already enjoy these sorts of things. As an example, the newer Fast and Furious movies are basically an average action movie with cool cars, but the older ones were really made for people who like modified cars and cheesy movies. I was one of these, enjoyed the moves a lot, and I still don't see any harm in it.
Also, I'm pretty sure Lamborghini didn't need movies to sell their cars
LOVE this. This guy is right on.
>Defend against the patriarchy
I'm dissappointed, I thought he was gonna present legitimate ideas.
I was also disappointed. :I
He is a dad he don't got much time on his hands
awesome talk!
We are so much destracted in our society, that its hard to find the own real world...
Hmmm... I've always looked at Leia as a strong female... she often saves the guys JUST as much as they save her...
Oh and what about the admiral who provided the briefings before the major battles? Strong, intelligent and in command.
Sean Webb exactly :D
Kire Moonchild Maybe that’s how you see it but you are missing some of his other points... like Star Wars is war movie, there are only two women who have main roles, he’s talking about respect and helping one another. Maybe you wrote this before you watched the end of the video. But I agree Leia is strong but that isn’t the only factor. Star Wars doesn’t pass the bechdel test.
And still, she’s one of the only women in the movie. And, in the end, is really only there to serve the male’s storyline.
I have always had some amount of self loathing in myself because i am not perfect, I have cried about the fact that im not a man's man like ned stark or the pro-tag of braveheart, nor am i a badass old experienced man like gandalf. It is awesome to see a video related to that feeling.
I made that comment at the eight minute mark. This dude already discussed something related to the fact that i dislike not being a one man army. Also how teams are the only way to achieve great things.
You have to share power, not relinquish power for one side of the gender pool.
Excellent insight into the movies our children see and the gender roles portrayed. Thank you for sharing this.
Did he just completely disregard mulan
It's about war and very one-dimentional in terms of friend and foe.
Great father and great message. Beautiful
the main take away from the wizard of oz was that the girl decided she should stay home and become a housewife because there was nothing worthwhile for her to find or do in the world.
Really i thought the take away from wizard of oz was she wanted to get to her love ones. You know like her family and friends. Her being a Housewife was never even brought up.
I always interpreted it as a girl who was afraid to be in her own mind and imagination. But you can still take away plenty good from it, if you don't read it in that way. (it's why I liked Return to Oz more as a child C:)
My main take away from the Wizard of Oz was that the Populist Party sucked, and didn't really know about economics.
One major flaw in the idea that real manhood involves being supporters of women is the problem that women don't actually want to be around men who are conscious of this.
This has often been told to me as one of my major flaws - specifically that I always strive to work with women and not over them. And dozens of times in my life, I have been overtaken by men who care less about supporting the woman than being their partner.
It is the single greatest source of failure in my life and this is a result of the CHOICE of women. It has been a problem that has overshadowed *EVERY SINGLE* relationship I have ever had with women.
Be careful what you wish for your sons. Teach them to be respectful, polite, kind, generous, caring, considerate, empathetic and supportive of women and you just might be condemning them to a life of bitter solitude.
Hold on there. I think both your and Colin's views on this matter are shortsighted. Patriarchy is wrong and should totally be abolished but reversing it into a matriarchy is ultimately no better. We need to find a cultural place where we see each other first and foremost not as men or women but as people. As human human beings whose contributions are unique to them as an individual and the values they have chosen for themselves rather than a role handed down to them by their parents' ideology.
I support feminism as much as any other rights movement. We haven't reached that truly egalitarian society yet. And yes, it does have an extremist side that mainstream feminism has done a poor job of policing, but nothing they have done justifies that kind of MRM-tinged rhetoric or makes the MRM any less of a complete joke.
Deadboltt No. You are confusing the concept of patriarchy as a policy vs patriarchy as a practice.
Patriarchy with a male dominant in a relationship as a policy yields domineering, one-sided relationships. The rights of the woman are given second place as a principle, which is by human rights standards quite wrong, regardless of which side takes the priority.
However, in *practice*, it is impossible to always do everything completely fair and 50-50. Worse yet, lack of a distinct decision making hierarchy can actually create problems such as indecision and lack of a clear direction and lead. Even if these problems are only a matter of how behavior is *perceived* by the female.
A good example of this could be dance. An effective dance partnership requires one lead and one follow. The balance for decisions and authority favors the lead (usually, but not always a male), but the types of decisions that are made should always favor the displays made by the female (flashier moves) as well as moves made to display harmony and synchronicity.
There is a difference in what is "right" and what is effective. Sadly, a dictatorship can easily be more *effective* than a democracy.
My personal experience has shown me that decisively choosing to avoid male-dominant attitudes can very easily leave a person behind in the dust with no relationship of any sort. To be fair, they might not show that to you or others, but it has been the primary source of failure for my relationships as reported to me by other females in my life (sisters, female friends, counselors etc).
Deadboltt "...where we see each other first and foremost not as men or women..."
Fix this flaw in your argument and then maybe we/whoever can talk. We all have eyes, this is the first thing we notice about each other. How is denying this reality going to move us forward in any way? What do you mean by NOT see each other as male and female? Role handed down by their parents ideology? What's wrong with the notion of a role is the Male/female/child family model? Is the notion of having a ROLE in the family, society, world, etc. truly a bad notion? A role, an example a mother or father offers whether good or bad is something that happens, it happens without effort. No mother, no motherly role model, prostitute mother, bad role model. Egalitarianism? Not everyone is created equal, this is another false notion. It's a good one, but it's false. Feminism? Men and women are NOT equal, and I am not saying that men are better, but this is the reality from a biological point of view. The characteristics, lessons, qualities, wisdom, and the kind of nurturing qualities a woman passes to her sons and daughters are completely different from that a man has to offer, and vis versa. So, I ask, what kind of changes are you really wanting?
***** I agree, it seems to me he wants a woman out of his range. The fact of the matter is, we tend to gravitate towards the opposite sexes who are on the same "attractive scale." I understand there are some exceptions, but 10's usually date 10's and 5's 5's give or take a point. I think I am probably a 6 or 7, and if given the chance I would try for a 8,9, or 10, but to be honest I feel more SEXUALLY attracted to women who are on my level. Beside, the 6's and 7's I am attracted to look like 10's to me! haha!
***** Well you certainly have added quite a bit of content to what I was saying.
I was indicating that the overwhelming trend in my personal experience (and I *DID* explicitly state that this may not be true for others) is that a person who behaves in the way I described, being respectful etc, will always or almost always be eclipsed by a similar male peer who is more domineering.
This is a result based on more than two decades of experience. And includes observations of the relationships that followed as well.
The result is specifically that if two individuals are looking at a female, the more domineering one will almost always succeed, leaving the more respectful one with nothing. I have seen it in others lives as well, but certainly I am most qualified to speak only of my own life.
I find your argument about 'billions' of humans on the planet to be substanceless since no human experience encompasses billions of individuals and you have no knowledge of how far I have traveled or what I have accomplished in my life OUTSIDE of basic human relationships.
i don't agree with the last part (lead by women). just because she's a woman doesn't mean she shoule lead. a person needs to lead is a person who has the qualifications for it. i'm a feminist but being a feminist isn't about saying women are the best, it's about saying women and men are equal !
He didn't demand that the only group he join is to led by women, but "maybe a team lead by women." That 'maybe' suggests men just as well as women. He's not demonizing men, he's just commenting on the fact that there's less leadership, teamwork, and three-dimensional female characters that contribute to modern movies compared to movies from the 1930s. He's asking that parents become more active and intentional about choosing movies that may prove to be a better guideline for boys and girls, ones that give equal exposure of positive leadership by either gender.
Oh ok. thank you :)
Ororo Munroe I know this should be the standard, but I am so impressed that you actually heard what she said and then responded to it in an appropriate manor. I love seeing this kind of interaction on the internet.
Oh thank you. and i completely agree, it should be the standard. people need to know they're talking to people on the internet and not to things
Ororo Munroe well storm, men and women are not equal, which is why men get to stay back and die so that the women and children can live. I don't think we can equally start playing tackle football together nor should we try and see who can piss the furthest into the toilet while being shit faced. Men can't handle pain like women can and men die at younger ages and lose their sex drive sooner. However I believe we both equally suck in comparison to other life forms and their abilities.
Thankyou for the TedX talk! Very thought provoking.. I have noticed when watching kids tv with my younger relatives, that there are decidedly "boy" or "girl" shows, and that the messages about gender roles are radically different ; in agreement with this gentleman's observations, boy shows tend to promote individual violent awesomeness followed by getting the girl, and girl shows tend toward strong female leadership bringing everyone together in the nick of time. A rare exception is Ben Ten that has a brother and sister who both win and lose sometimes, and the adventures sometimes require epic kick-ass and sometimes require calm(ish) co-operative behavior. It's one of the few, and that makes me worry. We need a mix of all of the above!!
I guess this makes a sort of sense, but the disney movie are the worst. Most female princess are beautiful woman who, who are compliant, and passive. They considered good. The ugly, old woman are evil, and mean. Lmao isn't it the same thing in wizard of oz. Think of snow white, cinderella, hell even tangled. In tangled the evil protagonist is an evil old woman hiding behind an facade of a young beautiful face. So what, the only way a girl can achieve happiness is by being a beautiful girl. What kind of message is that.
What Disney movies have you been watching?
Since when was Jasmine compliant, when did Belle ever comply with public opinion and at what point was Mary Poppins ever passive!
Another interpretation of the witch wearing the beautiful face in Tangled could also be that beauty is only skin deep, I haven't seen Tangled though.
One point I failed at out of all my points. Forgive me, I overshot it a little.
I agree that beauty as a visual cue is overused by Disney, but I feel that they do try to have their audience realize that it's not the important nor defining characteristic of the heroines, or any character for that matter. I wouldn't say any but the earliest princesses were compliant or passive. Many are competent and passionate, and will go to any lengths to take charge of their lives (even if they're not the smartest). And depending on whether or not we're counting Brave, Merida was very pointedly NOT traditionally beautiful or even super-pretty. She wasn't ugly, but the animators took the opportunity to show her beauty through her actions and thoughts, rather than the proportions of her features.
Yes but the ugly and beauty factor is always there. You know the male evil character are always ugly. Always. The only movies I cant see these factor happening are in Beauty and the beast and The hunchback of Notre Dam. Beauty and the best is a rather sordid, horrible tale, and I can go in depth if you want. Sadly idk enough about the later to go in depth.
david I'm actually a big fan of the latter. While the main character is a wonderful person, and the other characters do or learn to see and value him for that, rather than his appearance, the beautiful feisty heroine still ends up with the pretty boy. I'm not sure it's the best example. xD
As for ugly male villains, I find that is a trend they're moving away from in the past decade or so, and further back than that in their non-princess flicks (Atlantis, Tarzan..)
+Arlie Daniel Everything that happens to you as a kid directly affects the way you act as an adult. Everything you learn and know now comes from how you learned to learned and act as a child. Nothing is innate for humans, we have very little "instinct" and much more environmental learning and copying what we see in our lives. If you don't understand that, then you're just being ignorant.
What makes this topic difficult is that it's stuck in a self-repeating loop. I don't think deep down that boys want to be sexually dominating and that deep down women don't want to be sexually dominated.
However, through the millions of cultural influences, women learn that one way of obtaining social power is to attract the guy that is arrogant and dominating ("The Bad Boy"). Then boys watch and observe how in adolescence, the "bad boys" get the girl and all the glory, so then they start to try and emulate that behavior. Then girls observe the process and then it keeps repeating over and over again.
You would also be surprised at how much small triggers and things we don't notice or take as important information can sway your choices in a huge way( subconsciously) .
You'd find documentaries on subliminal messaging very interesting.
Morgue W h o r e it's the whole nature vs nurture argument though, humans have been a male led society for the protection or women even before society and civilisation. The very idea is founded at a very deep historical and potentially genetic level. And not all of the concepts it holds can be considered foul and wrong. It's something that breeds the 'women and children first' mentality, but it also maintains the 'women are a valuable resource' idea. Both aren't wrong, but it's when these ideals are twisted and warped that you have these issues.
But also the issue is that at a deep seated societal level men have no purpose other than to breed and protect the women. When it comes to motivation without creating an interesting and real dilemma (which is potentially beyond that of a kids movie) the only primal drive that men can aspire to is getting a partner, fighting a war, saving a woman and things of the like. Women are much less bound to their primal ties, society has been built around them and adapted to them. For the longest time they were treated as below men as the ideals got warped, but their roles weren't so much defined by society such as defined by the lack of ability to have a role in society other than producer of offspring.
As such I think that it's this freedom of purpose that needs to be brought to men, but that's not such an easy task to convey all this to a child.
This was a very level speech and it didn't point fingers or appeal to pity or guilt of what-have-you. This was arguably one of the best speeches concerning sexism and the media that I've seen.
Kill la Kill and Soul Eater both have awesome girl main characters
Kill la Kill is amazing ;~;
If children learn there values from movies, then the failure is on the parents, not the movie studios.
That's ridiculous. Children learn from everything around them, there is only so much a parent can control. If something is entertaining (as film generally is) they're far more likely to remember and learn from it, including values. Pretty basic. How many children do you have and how did you stop them from ever seeing a television?
Lea Stretch You must at least concede that this guy went a little overboard with what he said.
Lea Stretch
"how did you stop them from ever seeing a television?"
You know they have these nice things called channel block and stuff where the parent can decide what channels are viewable. Parents can also set time limits on how long the child can watch TV. Teach the child everything on TV isn't true and teach them to respect people no matter what gender or race they are.
Can't force movie studios to do that for you when they are just there to entertain.
Tubbier Wombat *Slow Clap*
I fully understand all those things, and I am personally an artist on my way into the animation entertainment industry myself. Yes, I agree parents should be more involved. But if anything, this video helps parents to see exactly what they are exposing their children to, so we're kind of on the same side here, don't you think?
The problem is that adults- yes, even good parents- are blind to a lot of the messages and values their children are receiving through entertainment and media. How can you combat an idea in your child's mind that you do not know is there?
how bout instead of relying on others why dont we teach self reliance and teamwork second cause if you can depend on yourself then people can depend on you and you can depend on others but when you cant depend on others u still got yourself
I thought he was going to say something negative about Chihiro and Rapunzel and I was like oh HELL no. But he didn't! 100% agree with you Colin!
This is why I liked Brave & How to Train Your Dragon. As my 9 year old at the time said it's wholesome. In Brave her mother tried to get her daughter to find herself after realizing she was meant for better things. And her dad encouraged her to be strong and independent. In HTTYD it was unity working together and trust . Learning to trust each other and building each other up .
With the advent of aggressive feminism, If a guy asks a girl for a date she will report it as a sexual assault, especially in the workplace. The guy will be fired and labeled, perhaps prosecuted. But not to worry! There are too many men in the workforce anyway.
interesting, tell me more about 'the advent of aggressive feminism', what characterises it as aggressive?
Natasha Rapkin Rule 1. All men are predators
But: I am a man
Therefore: I am a predator
Rule 2 It's OK for girls to kick boys in the nuts
Boys should remain passive
Solution: Castrate all boys at birth.
Rule 3 All women and girls are potential victims of male persons
The opposite is NEVER true
Rule 4. It is politically incorrect to disagree with the above
Rule 5. If a man asks a woman for a date and is refused, asking a second time is justification for accusation of sexual harrassment.
THIS TED PRESENTATION IS VERY PC.
Thomas Andrews to me it seems like all men think that feminism is about hating men. it's not! maybe there are some feminists who do hate men and misunderstand feminism themselves, but it just isn't. it's about equality.
***** You still fall into some Feminist logic.
1. How about people not wanting to be alone & have a good time? You know...women have sexual organs too. Singling out THE PENIS doesn't make your argument a very good one.
2. Of course there is a misunderstanding! Some women actually think because they are a woman they can just do it! THAT'S WHY THE SYSTEM IS CORRUPTED! Women have become artificially aggressive because of MARXIST IDEOLOGUES who want to destroy America & control (destroy) population growth. Hence why abortion is so highly practiced....because it's highly promoted & accepted!
3. Wrong. The issue isn't just about RAPE. It just shows how ignorant you really are. It's a major problem in divorce/family courts, the political dialogue, & social dynamics as to who is going to play what role. Listen, I don't like stereotypes much either, but our parents are examples to follow...yes? Why? BECAUSE THEIR RELATIONSHIP ACTUALLY EXISTS & WORKS BECAUSE THEY NEGOTIATE AS INDIVIDUALS!!! They didn't depend on THE SYSTEM or THE COLLECTIVE in order to solve their problems. They brought to the table what they had to offer with love in their hearts. *SOCIALISM & SOCIAL FEMINISM HAS KILLED RATIONAL, EMPIRICAL, LOGICAL DIALOGUE.* It has now become HATE THE MAN & HATE THE WOMAN....& I see no way out of the cycle of hate that was really started by Feminists over-reaching in their arguments.
For fuck sakes, we still have women BITCHING ABOUT EQUAL PAY, when there is no difference for low-wage earners & you actually have to go beyond lower & middle classes in order to find much of a difference.
Myself & millons of other men are unemployed..........& women are still bitching about how much they are not getting paid for a job most women will never even have. WOMEN ARE CLEARLY LOST IN THEIR FANTASY WORLD!
So can we please recognize how full of shit most feminists are at this point? I'd like a change of tone....& perhaps some sanity.
4. Political Correctness comes in the form of sarcasm, public relations, & of course, PROPAGANDA. If you truly saw through it, you'd see how evil Feminism really is & where it is really coming from.
5. If a man wants to ask, he'll ask & as many times as he wants. If women can't say NO repeatedly with comfortable callousness, then they are not adults capable of peaceful & honest dialogue. Fact is, women have reported men for sexual harassment when no threat or physical contact was made.
Women are more emotional...so when you finally give them the PHALLUS OF THE STATE they wield it like those amateur light-saber video's....& that's alot of them.
Listen, I want men to have civilization as well...but women are also both scared & brutal animals. So lets be a little more objective
I think you're blaming feminism for your latent misogyny
The guy thinks feminism is women>men rather than women=men. That's the issue.
I disagree - I think he was addressing more broadly that the values of feminism (equality for the sexes, both economical and social) are more beneficial than the (if they can be called this) "values" of Masculinity when taught to our children. The issue I believe people are having hearing this talk is that he doesn't constantly interject his broad sweeping statements with "but of course there are exceptions to this statement.".
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Dumb... Ass... Feminism has nothing to do with being equal, it only has to do with destroying men, and promoting women. Fucking the entire culture up, and tearing down those that have slaved, and died to provide, and shitting on their graves.
MasterSethern What? I am pretty sure that the actual definition of feminism is defending women's rights to be equal to men. I think what you are thinking of is misandry, which is the hatred of men by women. I also think that you may have some deep seeded issues that have probably been instilled by the media around you growing up, because I do not see how feminism has done all of what you said it has.
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I actually thing that MasterSethern is right in saying that feminists wants to destroy men (for those in the extremist side) or for those in rather mild or middle side of feminists, they just want to rule over men. Saying that feminist means the equality between men and women would actually be wrong and its not misandry either, it egalitarian. Egalitarianism is the belief in the principle that all men and women are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.
I am impressed by this man and his topic mainly due to the fact that this the video was forwarded to me by my twelve year old granddaughter. If she gets the message and wants to pass it along to me, her grandmother, why can't others get the message and continue carrying the message?
The ending was really well put goes back full circle
I don't think Starwars was intended to be the kiddy film series it became in the 90s. If I ever have kids I'll let them see in on their own.
Also he fails to mention the number of Males who have been assaulted it much higher than reported. It's really hard to tell with a society that only protects the week when it's convenient or rewarding.
I recommend that the speaker should have his children watch Avatar: The Last Airbender. I'm not talking about the film, which was shockingly bad, but the old cartoon series, which was brilliantly made. That series emphasized the value of teamwork. Yet, it had strong male and female characters.
truly inspiring and full of truth. I agree with him.
This guy gives very stupid generalizations that DON'T apply at all to how boys and girls see themselves.
Oh really, The guy in the video who is comparing the motives of rapists to what they see in a damn childrens animated fantasy movie makes what kind of sense to anyone? Explain that to me.
BrokenGlass043 You're missing the broader message. He is saying that currently, the focus is on girls to empower them selves to not be the helpless damsel in distress, the prize, the one who get raped, and rather we should be focusing equally on empowering boys to not fall into the singular hero role, the prize winner, or the raper role. He is extrapolating on a larger theme with tangible points, not necessarily drawing direct connections or generalizing that all boys who ever watch kids movies will become rapists.
Maggie Graham I really don't like this kind of pop psychology. There's very little evidence to support any of these claims. Young kids learn primarily from observing their parents. If anything the lesson is: don't let them watch too much tv or movies and make sure your interaction with them is more meaningful than the screen.
the problem with this speech is that he is trying to make a good point, but retrospectively, the only thing i can think of is: "Another person saying violent movies and video games make people violent".
Again, he is not drawing direct connections between watching movies and actions later in life. He is making a broader statement that collectively as a society, we have historically encouraged females to be pretty and pliable and for that they will be rewarded. More recently we are teaching independence and strength to girls through pop culture, formal education, and parenting. Boys have always been encouraged to be independent and brave to earn rewards, yet boys are not encouraged to explore the side where they can step back and be led or be a true team player with both women and men. So society and populace attitude suggests that women can have two harmonious images of themselves, but men should only be solo heros. Movies and the ridiculous number of sexual abuse cases are separate manifestations of the same societal effect.
Star Wars isn't for kids. The Wizard of Oz is. Your argument is invalid.
I would disagree with that. When did you first see it? I saw it when I was very young. Kids see it and they want to become the hero. The hero has a cool weapon, a cool power and gets the girls.
Just because you saw it when you were a kid, doesn't mean it was made for kids. I saw it when I was young because my dad was watching it.
DayLight95 You have a point, originally it may not have been made for kids, but there is no doubt that today it is for kids.
Jared K. But Stokes' argument is still invalid.
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The toy companies never got that memo.
Once western society begins to respect the role of the woman as a caretaker and nurturer, and stop forcing them to become men or masculine, the better our society will be. We can be equal, but we don't have to be the SAME. That's the world I would like to live in.
By saying "western society" are you comparing it to eastern societies, such as Asia, India, and the Middle East? Because inequality between men and women is even greater there.
Kristen Elias My point is that the concept of "equality" is already misguided in the mainstream. There's no point in talking about IN-equality if we don't even understand equality. Feminists love to insult the role of the mother or caretaker as low status. What kind of society are they creating by promoting this? It's completely self-destructive and a step backwards for our country.
acumen321 You are right, mothers and caretakers are extremely important roles for either men or women, they are not low-status jobs. I mean, what do they think about fathers? Is that any different than a mother? I sure hope they don't consider that a higher status than a woman.
The fact that this got o many thumbs ups just goes to show how far we have to go. Forcing anyone to accept a role that society has decided for them at birth and calling it "natural" is out dated and oppressive.
The fact that your comment has no thumbs up means that I'm making a strong point.
Life and situations can be far more complicated. This man has a made a valuable point of the perception of what we find entertaining as a society. But he has right though they don't really talk about too many women as the leader in a gentle caring fashion. Or the man that has to fight for his son or family in a gentle fashion.
He got it right, saying that men have to pick a team and choose to be the kind of guy that protects women from the bad guys.
Made me think a lot. I am very concerned with the negative comments on this video. Its suppose to make you think. Bc we DO need good role models in movies. Whether they are men or women, we need them. ALL strong role models for our kids. Ones that want to join a team. Whether lead by a man or a woman. Just a strong role model to teach them that no matter the gender, being wise, being patient, being kind to others is what you need to aspire to be. Thats all.
Even though he casually denies it, his whole point is based on entertainment reflecting on society. By his reasoning, I should be cooking meth right now, because I like Breaking Bad.
I'd say people need to think for themselves. Whether male or female. Teach your kid the value of asking questions. "Why?" is an annoying question, I know. But kids ask it for a reason: they want to understand. Don't give them bullshit. Give them an informed answer.
Yes, I know you're getting tired of answering your kids' questions. But answering your kids' questions now, means they will be answering other people's questions later.
Entertainment does reflect on society, and there's a lot of research in that field if you don't believe me. Your analogy with breaking bad oversimplifies the issue terribly. I mean, Lion King didn't make me run away to Africa to join a pride of lions, but that's not to say it didn't influence me on several levels. Humans are social creatures and are swayed by what we see other humans doing.
Take for instance beauty in the media. A boy growing up now has a completely different idea of what it means to be a successful man than a boy did fifty years ago. For one thing, fifty years ago images of unnaturally muscular, hairless men weren't all over the media.
Or sexual promiscuity in entertainment. Do you honestly believe that kids growing up nowadays aren't influenced by the sex scenes in nearly every movie? Especially compared to kids fifty years ago? (btw I'm not arguing sex in film as good or bad, just that it strongly influences people's ideals and expectations)
dragonswyft Sounds to me like you're naming examples of men being sexualized. It's been going on with women for ages. If you're allowing yourself to be so manipulated by movies and other media, you're exactly in need of what I was arguing for: critical thinking.
accordingToSpecs Um, I named *one* example of men being sexualised because I identify with them more strongly. The others were gender neutral. I would argue that you're in need of some critical thinking skills if you honestly believe you live in a vacuum with your thoughts and ideals uninfluenced by society.
dragonswyft You're the one bringing up beauty in the media, referring to successful men and muscular, hairless men. Then you go on to make a point about "sexual promiscuity", as you call it. Is it strange that I would notice a pattern here? Are you a gay dude by any chance? (Not judging you, just curious.)
accordingToSpecs Don't really know where this debate is going now, but no (pro gay rights though). The male beauty example came to mind because I had some self-esteem issues growing up which I don't think were helped along by the media. In regard to sexual promiscuity, I brought up that example because it's a strong one, no matter what gender lens you're looking through.
That real world connection was just amazing
The Wizard of Oz is the ultimate chick flick-2 Women fighting over a pair of Shoes
So much win.
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Did this guy actually watch Star Wars? Princess Leia was completely badass. Yah, she did wait around for a bit until she was released from her holding cell, big deal. But as soon as she was released, she used her blaster and razor sharp leadership to unleash her unstoppable fury upon the Empire for the remainder of the movie and the next 2 parts of the trilogy. I thought she was an awesome female role model. To say what this guy said is an insult to the character, the actress, George Lucas, and Star Wars nerds world round.
I havent seen Star Wars and Wizard of Oz taken so wrong at the same time by anyone in quite that way before.
Yeah, completely agree. This guy either didn't watch the movie, or didn't pay attention.
He points out the gender representation inequality in Star Wars. Aunt Baru and Leia WERE the only lead females (and almost the only females at all) in the original trilogy. Granted, Leia IS a total badass, but these movies started a trend in film where females are poorly represented in film. The films that followed said trend do not typically depict female characters independence and strong will as Princess Leia.
mynameisobel84 That's fair to say. There are only two women with speaking roles in the movie. Although, it was made by a bunch of nerds, I'd imagine they didn't know many women at the time. Hahaha. But seriously, perhaps I'm still missing the point, or I'm hung up on what he said about Star Wars. I just don't think it's a good example to use.
Spirited Away brought me here
All the fairy tales in Disney movies are not so innocent for example Beauty and the Beast. So I learned that somebody could be beastly and really turn into a Charming Prince... My life experience has definitely not taught me that! You have many good points in this video.
The way he talks and his facial expressions remind me of Don Draper.
All the way through I kept thinking he sounded like someone. And I think it was Don Draper. Your totally right, he does sound so like him.
aw, man. I disobeyed my own rule. When watching a video about women's issues NEVER READ THE COMMENTS. They make me sad for myself and every woman I know.
yeah, the comments are sad.
I've come to believe that it is just human nature what is slowing down civil and equal development. We humans are natural survivors, it's our instinct, and this instinct don't let those in the "power" position to loose it up a little bit for those with less power.
I am not saying women are being subjugated by man but there's definitely a tendency for men to have the upper hand in many situations. Just look at the swearing and insults of many languages, and you'll see that most of them are directly or indirectly related to feminity.
It's sad, but at least there's noticeable progress compared to how this world was years ago.
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As a woman I think progess has been stymied as Trump has shown.
This is how it goes in real life: I defeat the villain, the princess runs away scared. Don't ask how many times this has happened...
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there was progress, yes, but as of today men and women are equal. there are no "women's issues" nowadays, atleast in first world countries
I love the wizard of Oz.
But it's a dream. Dorothy was a submissive teenage girl crying and running away from her problems when a twister interrupted her drama. In fact, its safe to say her dog Toto was put down shortly after the events unfolded. Nothing was solved.
But even in the dream, her interaction was accidental. She didn't mean to kill the wicked witch of the east. She didn't want a confrontation with the wicked witch of the west. She didnt know which direction to take at the fork in the road. She was confused and lost crutched on her friends as much as they crutched on her. She was basically along for the ride.
That was powerful. Agree with every single word he said.
In comparison to past times, the gender roles changed a lot, but the stereotypes that you can still see in the media did not. We have to keep up with the changes and learn how to adapt to them. I'm sure the world will be a better place with the people who support the speaker. Well done!
So much Autism in the comments
***** looks like someones butthurt
***** i never said you were angry i just said you were butthurt
***** its was just a joke I don't see the need for an evaluation
***** Yes, Matt, you should get evaluated.
Don't use autism as a derogatory term. If you'r not sure what it means look it out before commenting.
Its really hard to find a movie about happy family in Hollywood. If they have argument they scream at each other or brake things.
That's true. Any time anyone gets angry they immediately hit or smash something.
Just like how they never say goodbye on the phone, they always just hang-up. And somehow that's okay...
It's like there is a harmful agenda being pushed in films.
>patriarchy
I quit the watching of the video right there.
lol MRA cries
If theres no logic in the opinions of people, i find it so hard to communicate with them reasonably.
There's never a time when all people can undestand each other. Unless theres a totalitarian regime that kills all other points of views.
***** An opinion is of someone's own thoughts and ideas on a subject, and how they feel about it. like for example: "i hate apple pie due to it's crust" now that is an opinion. something like: "apple pie has apples in it, which are sweet", is a statement with logic behind it. thank you for reading.
Feminism changed the meaning of the word. the word literaly meant a house hold where the father is the leader of said household, as in the one bringing in the most money . Feminism made it into a system of opression and everything they do not like is suddenly part of this patriarchy , in a way it is a selffulfilling prophecy.
***** cyberbalkanization... did you make that word up? 0,O
What a fantastic father!
The Bechdel Test is brilliant. The rest of this talk was not.
Princess Leia was a revolutionary character in Sci-Fi and film in general. From line one she's introduced as a Senator. When the film was released in 1977 there were no women serving in the U.S. Senate. When attacked she defends herself expertly with firearms. She's the only one to see through the Empire's subterfuge while the boys are patting themselves on the back for "Mission Accomplished!" And she's a senior military commander.
The only time she wears a revealing outfit is when she's forced to by a giant gurgling slug, and then she uses that very outfit to kill said slug.
All that without once clicking her sparkly heels together and hoping its all a dream.
Except for the last two minutes. Agree with Colin's assessment of who the bad guys worth fighting are.
I felt that this discussion was horrible.
good talk. enjoyed it. sme ppl on youtube missing the point of the talk smh.
this is such an incredible speech because there's so much behind the statistic that one out of five women get abused and i like the fact you made this point on this subject
He first talked about a test that was "does the movie have 2 female characters who talk to each other about stuff other than their love interest?". He then claimed (falsely) that only 11 out of 100 movies passed that test because only 11 out of 100 movies have female protagonists. But that was NOT what the test was. It had NOTHING to do with protaganists (hero characters), or even main characters. It was specifically if there were at least two female characters who converse with each other about something other than their love interest. This man is MISREPRESENTING the study! This man is trying to TWIST the nature of the study results of the study to claim it had something to do with a proposed test, that it actually has NOTHING to do with.
a test can show many results
He said out of 20xx's Top 100 Movies only 11 passed the test. It wasn't just a random 100 movies picked and then counted, but the Top 100. It's about representing females properly, after all, and not just as nameless, lineless, backdrop characters that may just sit there and chatter about men. Granted he left out that the females also had to be named (named, with lines). Despite that indescripacy, he's saying that the lack of proper gender representation and using archaic plot structures encourage a sort of image upon young and impressionable minds. That maybe if we readdressed the movies children watch we could help deter the issues with gender roles, representation, and so on at a much more earlier stage in life when their personalities and impressions of the world are being formed.
That's not what he said. He actually did not finish the Bechdel test analysis. He said that 11 contain female protagonists.
I'm not a big fan of the Bechdel Test. Movies need more diverse subjects, but romance will always be the favorite subject -- and most movies are going to include a hint of it.
If you're going to make a claim refuting his explanation, then please make a counter claim with evidence. So far, my research states that indeed he was fairly correct in his very blanket presentation of the subject.
A good talk but he forgot the Incredibles!!
I believe that it is dangerous to announce who is a REAL man or woman. If you do that, then you make stereotypes and the people that don't fit in these boxes are thereby wrong men or women .
It's true that stereotypes are dangerous, but what "stereotype" did he really set up? That we should aspire our kids to treating people fairly and more gender equality? Yeah, it does create a stereotype, but the people who don't "fit in those boxes" would just be sexist and treat people bad, so yeah, they are wrong. I feel like it's an alright assumption to make there that we don't want more sexist assholes/bitches in the world...
I feel the problem with most kids movies is that they are either targeting boys or girls, and not both. When you end up targeting one gender, you end up alienating and misrepresenting the other.
I see many insecure men doing their things on this comment sections and disliking this video. And they are pathetic! As a woman who don't drink or smoke and living very healthy way but sexually assaulted by men many times in the past, I totally agree with what Colin's saying. People get brainwashed by a media. And I'm tired of those hero movies made it by a man, played by men. It is very unrealistic! Think about how many sex offenders out there. You may not have a daughter or single or whoever.... your daughter can be a victim in the future. So please wake the fuck up and stop the sexism!
I agree that sexism needs to stop, but people shouldn't be teaching their kids that men are villains. This guy just needs to stop over-thinking the movies and teach his kids what's right and wrong. He could start by saying that it's not always going to be a male attacker and a female victim.