Totally not related to this video at all, but i want to get a oneplus 7tpro, but the oneplus8 is coming out early next year apparently, should i wait for it or buy the oneplus 7t pro?
George_E As a developer I constantly use the escape key, and there are many other areas where it’s used as well. And as soon as you get used to navigating the system through he keyboard where it makes sense, instead of always using the mouse, you will use the esc key quite often. While the software key on the Touch Bar is useable and fine for most people, it‘s just not as good as having a physical key to smash, when you use it often.
So the issue is that it's not a physical button so if you like dual boot you literally just can't use the esc key and it really removes a lot of functionality
Fabio Mota Ah right. I’m a developer as well, using Xcode on my MBP. I know you can press Esc for showing/hiding type completions, but I don’t really do that. I don’t know if there are actually any useful shortcuts with Esc. I just use the trackpad but I can understand what you mean
Technically it is just shy of two years since first release and the only update it saw last year was the 5600M GPU option. I have no regrets buying mine since it’s been over a year and a half for me personally. I typically upgrade every 2-3 years. My plan originally was to keep this for 3 years but the new 16” MBP M1 Max with its miniLED screen and ports really has me tempted to upgrade sooner rather than later. The one good thing about Apple products is that they retain a high resale value. So the cost of entry may be high but the cost to upgrade is usually reasonable.
@@DDavEE I’ve had mine for about the same amount of time. The upgrades with the new generation are so tempting. I would get the 14in this time tho cuz my 16in is a little too big for me. And with the Apple trade in I get about 1500 bucks, might pull the trigger 🤷♂️.
Basically what tech reviewers focus on: Unbox Therapy: Keyboard Dave Lee: Chips and Thermals MKBHD: The whole Macbook iJustine: Just whatever comes out of Apple
I have the sensation that this 16’’ MacBook Pro is a bridge in terms of design as the iPad 10.5’’ was. Next year they could keep the screen size and improve the form factor design including Liquid Retina rounded corners, Face ID as happened with the iPad 11 a year after the 10.5 iPad was launched.
Rounded corners definitely won’t happen. FaceID is unlikely. I would actually prefer TouchID. MicroLED might happen. Apple Silicone definitely will happen. It really is a bridge though.
Absolutely. And I think I can even guess what they’re exactly gonna call it: Liquid Retina XDR, since it’s also rumored to adopt MiniLED and hence, higher dynamic range (XDR stands for Extreme Dynamic Range in Apple’s terminology)
@@Michael-zn2jc “Definitely won’t” why do you think so? On phones I agree I definitely prefer Touch ID but on laptops and tablets with keyboard cases I MUCH prefer facial authentication. Also this year won’t be the year we’ll be getting MicroLED, that’s farther ahead for now. This year what we’re supposedly getting is MiniLED, which is somewhere between IPS LCD with a standard backlight and MicroLED, so not quite at the contrast level of MicroLED.
@@utubekullanicisi I don’t know why I wrote MicroLed, but you’re right, I meant to say MiniLed. About the rounded displays, more recent “leaks” have led me to be believe it might happen but I’m still not sure. I just don’t see it as something important. It would probably cause problems viewing things in full screen so I don’t like the idea.
@@adarshkmryadav the maximum power USB C can provide is 100W. You need all the components inside the laptop to draw under 100W of power so you can keep the USB C cable and power adapter. If you add a GTX GPU, those GPUs themselves will draw anywhere from 150W to 250W, with which you could no longer use USB C to charge and you would need a big bulky power brick to draw that power from the wall.
At this point, I'm even surprised that he mentioned that, cuz this has been a critical reason for me to consider the MacBooks, and barely anyone has ever mentioned it.
Adarsh K. Yadav they also had some beef with nvidia. Also the amd graphic cards take much less battery . Amd graphics cards also have better compatibility with the external 4k displays
@@abubakrakram6208 he's being as positive as he can without straight up lying because he wants to be able to keep reviewing apple products and not get blacklisted. Basically the whole review is, "it's good for what limitations it has". Not once did he say or imply that this is the best out there, or a great value or is it highly recommend. It's basically just "good". Not amazing. Not great. Just good.
"Limitation that shouldn't have been there" - That's the best phrase to describe apple. They are so good at something, while they are weirdly limited in others.
@@Kataroku Microsoft with the entire Surface line too, they always lure you in with an appealing pricetag and then you click through and find out that's for a model nerfed in some horrible way like having a 2019 device with 4GB of RAM. You make Windows you assholes you know that won't run right.
What I meant was a bit different. Such as only type c IOs on macbooks, while everyone is using dongles, elimination of 3.5 headphone jack - it was pretty weird then.
Hey, I got a fully loaded 2014 15 inch for 480 dollars early this year (3200 when new), point being, this will also be a 500 dollars pc someday, just not soon haha
I'm in the market for a MB Pro since September 2017 and I waited and I waited and I waited because of reasons, but....I think now I can have a raliable machine for my work. Thank you Dave. Keep the good work!
@Swift Boiz I have to highly disagree on that. I'm a musician and a photographer and I need a SD card for both of my work fields. As a musician we tend to use audio recorders to record concerts to evaluate our own playing or just record a jam session to extract the best ideas. Yes, we could use our phones for that but the audio quality of a phone will never reach the same quality of a dedicated audio recorder especially in high volume situations. As photographer I have to disagree even more. I can tell you that all cameras have SD cards. ALL of them. Sony's flagship mirrorless camera the A7s III came out in February last year and it uses 2(!!!) SD cards. All professional grade Canon cameras use SD cards. Even their full frame mirrorless camera that came out last year uses SD cards. Given, they have wifi build into them but the purpose of that is not to transfer data from the camera to the computer but to trigger your camera with your phone. Don't forget videographers, same thing just moving pictures. Have you ever tried downloading a 30gb file? Photographers, Videographers and other creators that are in desperate need of the SD Card readers were turning away from the 2016 MBP's one big reason was the ports. Sara Dietschy, Chris Hau, Lizzie Pierce and many others. And those USB-C Magsafes. Never heard of an review that said those won't break after a few months of usage. Sorry for the rant but I've never seen such an uneducated statement...
guitarplayer1994 I get that an SD card reader might be super useful for you, but the vast majority of people don’t use one. Also I love the MagSafe on my 2012 but being able to plug in my laptop from either side would be more convenient. Just because swiftboy’s point didn’t meet your particular use case doesn’t mean it was uneducated
@Swift Boiz Well, it's all about convenience. Let's start with the dictaphones. First of all: I have studio microphones. USB microphones for any musician are utterly useless (don't want to go into the reasons here). I don't want to bring my laptop, my audiointerface, my microphone, my stand and cables to a concert when I AM ON STAGE performing, to review the performance afterwards. First convenience second: Somebody might steal it. Oh by the way, I'm in Europe: Not everybody has a car. Let's get to adapter things: Have you ever forgotten a toothbrush when you went traveling? It's about convenience. I don't want to carry around adapters all the time, at this price tag I want a machine that's a stand alone. USB-C I get behind it's the future, I get it. I even encourage it. But hell ... There's a reason why people call it the dongle book pro. I don't even necessarily have a problem with adapters: Get one for your monitor/TV/beamer/whatever and just leave on the cable, problem solved. SD card is a different thing man. I don't want to be carrying around 3000 cables to do basic work. And yes there are plenty of laptops to choose from, I still use my 2013 MBP and pray that it'll last as long as "it takes for the industry to adopt the latest and greatest ports". As I mentioned earlier a lot of creators moved away from Macbooks for that exact convenience. I don't know you or your field of expertise but you clearly haven't been in the fields of music, photography or videography.
linus tech tips a lot of times says bad things about devices if they don't pay them enough or just say nonsense too. I don't ever trust youtubers really. tho dave usually is trustable. also don't forget to read consumer reviews. a lot of models have common issues. I got an ux430ua once cause every review was good. the display died in a year. turns out it was VERY common with the model. lukcily I got a full refund but still something to keep in mind. I just got lucky to get a refund.
Do you think they’ll refresh the 16” soon? I’m needing a mac soonish (within a month maybe) and i dont want to buy this one since its a year old already 😅
I don’t know if this is stupid but is it any coincidence that Apple has started to listen to peoples criticisms about the design of their products after Jony Ive left? Just curious.
Like Saucy said, I doubt the whole blame on Ive thing since he was here for literal decades prior to the complaints rising up. I also feel like some of the issues people have exist only in their heads. Like the iPhone being too thin and not having enough battery, even though it's consistently gotten thicker since the iPhone 6.
AbuBakr Akram I agree, I just wanted to see because I thought about this for a while and the timing of it marches up. It's most likely just a coincidence.
Yeah it is true. It is a well known fact that Jony Ive left because he was increasingly irritated at the higher ups not being even near as involved in product design as Steve Jobs was. They couldn't entirely rely on Jony(he was super demotivated and not even in the office for most days of the week before leaving) anymore so they decided to do market research themselves. Still, Phil is still there so they didn't fuck it up.
Thanks Dave. I have an early 2015 MBP. I need to upgrade because it is finally starting to run slow and have some issues. I'm glad you made this video & addressed Adobe CS as well. That is some programs I have been wanting other tech reviewers to mention on its performance and haven't heard much on it yet. Keep it up Dave! Thanks for being a reviewer that is solid and honest on their reviews.
I must say that the usb-c charging and intenal limitation is something i didn’t know about. Great Job on Reviews in your latest videos have improved way better in past few weeks.
Great review. Love watching your videos on here. Got mine on order but kept away from the i9 since I already have an iMac Pro 14x maxed out. Have gone for 64gb ram, 8gb video and 2tb storage since I’ll mainly be using it for audio and only some 4-8k A/V work.
I would love for something between the Mini and Pro would exist on the desktop side of things, something besides the iMac I mean, a small tower, with good but not necessarily crazy performance and easy to upgrade/expand.
The mac pro is upgradable but it's not a general consumer device at all. And i need the people that bring back the keyboard,who bring it some thickness and making it better for the same price...oh well it would have been hard to make it more expensive.
There ain't nobody that has upgradable hardware. NOBODY. I have looked and there is not one name brand that allows me to swap to the newest CPU, and the newest GPU. NOBODY, so I wish everyone would stop crying about his already since swapping the drive or adding a bit more RAM just will not give me the performance most that I can get with a CPU and GPU upgrade.
I watch a lot of tech related videos but I just wanted to say that I **REALLY** rate your channel and your intelligent approach to reviewing products. I don't want someone to just reel off lots of specs as I can see all that on the web. You're doing a fantastic job. Thank you. 👍👍👍🥰
@@TheBlashMusic i hope you are sarcastic, for the specs, you can get a windows based laptop with the same specs for less than half the price (like Dell XPS Series for example), and the build quality ????, yeah it looks good from the outside (like any another windows premuim series) but the amount of internal/hardware issues is far more than any other company ( you can look on the internet for the hardware pooblemes encountered in any macbook series)
The surface laptops are just easier to fix for Microsoft themselves as they use mostly custom parts inside the devices. It’s not like they are 2012 laptops that you can easily repair yourself with common parts if something broke.
NeuesTestament Find one device that is equivalent to the MacBook Pro and is cheaper that isn’t an older MacBook Pro. You won’t find any. In the realm of speakers, microphone, and trackpad, no one touches Apple
Nice short review! I like a quick snapshots of teardowns. It was interesting to see some metal components on fans in comparison and the scissor switches being exposed.
The reason i like Daves videos is that he is not deliberately adding fluff to his videos to make it a 10 minute video so he can get more ad money. He is straight to the point and all of the content has actual meaning and is important.
really rare comment with some sense. what the fuck is happening with comment section recent years. you came here to see the review of the product, comment something about it and yet bunch of 9 year olds with their stupid meme comments they think is somewhat is funny. even memes aren´t what they used to be before.
Is it possible that jony ive was holding apple back because he wanted everything to be visually appealing? Apple is actually listening with the new phones, ipads, and MacBooks since he left... They are going on the right track!
As the owner of an iPhone 11 Pro Max, I'm really not sure why people find this thing so revolutionary. It's fantastic, but it's extremely similar to the Xs Max. What changed? The battery? Really? That's enough to make the world go crazy for it? And pretend that Apple wasn't making phones thicker since the iPhone 6? Really, what track has Apple changed to that I don't see?
@@abubakrakram6208 Camera (ugly as sin as they are), battery, and fast charger out of the box. The current trend nowadays is to put multiple good cameras with good software and having a huge battery. 4000mah+ battery capacity is considered the norm nowadays. Alongside that, not having a fast charger to charge up a phone with a huge battery is considered a deal breaker for a lot of people. People actually wanted all three and Apple delivered, hence why it's celebrated. Not a revolutionary thing though.
@@lewsee5562 Perhaps its more in my head than in reality, but the whole vibe surrounding these iPhones is more than just celebratory. Reviewers are all acting as though the phone is the most amazing they've seen in years. As if it's paradigm shifting. How many videos are you seeing titled _"I was wrong about the iPhone 11 Pro."_
AbuBakr Akram because most people are wrong about the iPhone 11 Pro. They think its overrated, but its not especially if they start to use it on a daily basis. Its not a revolutionary smartphone by any means. But its a revolutionary product for Apple and their users. For one, Apple seem to start listening to their users when they included fast chargers, night mode photography, and batteries that last longer. These are features that are best found from t he Pixel 3 last year. Its a paradigm “shifting” product for people who don’t want to use Android phones or don’t want to go back into Android (like me).
@@aeronybrek4696 *_I_* use it on a daily basis! I love it, but I loved the Xs Max too. I'm ending the day above 60% battery now, before I'd end it above 20%. I use wireless charging at night, so I didn't take the fast charger out of the box. Maybe I'm just not the target audience anymore…
they way you explained why they choose amd graphic rather than nvida is really satisfying. Might be not the full reason but at least one of them. thanks Dave!
“I’m glad they didn’t put an RTX or GTX in here because then it can’t be charged by 100W USB-C...it can’t be done” I’m typing this comment from an X1 Extreme Gen 2 with an i9 & GTX being charged by...you guessed it- a 100W USB-C
the argument is just BS by Dave. Of course a gtx2080 (or even lower) will burn through the battery in hours (or better minutes haha) but the thing can still be charged, EVEN with only a small 100W power brick on a plane! The battery will still drain if you use 100% cpu and gpu, but you hardly ever use full power on a plane. If you just use sub 100watt performance on a plane, you can perfectly use a different 100watt psu and it will charge nevertheless.
In all honesty I think Dave2D misspoke because the GTX 1650 max-q in your Thinkpad has a similar power envelope to the AMD Radeon Pro 5500M but is not as powerful.
Which GTX? A low end GTX is probably comparable to the AMD 5500M 8GB in performance. Dave's point is that a more POWERful GPU, by definition, can't run at full steam on Power Delivery standard because it maxes out at 100 watt of continuous supply. Charging a laptop battery and powering the device are also different concepts
Ryan Cowan Hear him at 3:06. “RTX or GTX ANYTHING inside here, it won’t work under the 100W USB-C limit”. That’s factually incorrect, since the 5500M is comparable or can outperform the GTX 1650 with the same power envelope. If they were closer to NVIDIA still, they would’ve used the 1650 (like they used the 750m in the 15” in the past).
I like your videos. They are short to the point unlike other RUclipsrs who make their videos unnecessarily long and boring. Yours are like addictive facts.
The 100w insight is something that I didn't know and t that actually makes a lot of sense for the Apple demographic. Fantastic video as always, explaining things simply but in a way that doesn't oversimplify or lie and empathizing with every opinion that could be had regarding the product
I am pretty sure even if you tried building the best of the best gaming pc with 2 rtx 2080 ti and an i9 9900KS you will still wont pay as much. This price is pure bullshit. And we said razer is expensive even the OLED one with an rtx 2070 dont cost anyway near the macbooks.
Yeah, but were you really going to need 64 GB of RAM and an Apple 8 TB SSD? And I say "Apple SSD" because of how fast their SSDs are. That's like saying desktops are overpriced priced just because you saw a $10k desktop you could buy.
@@abjdalgnd But you have the same with every laptop, if you buy the full spec Razer blade 15 it's 4500 as well (with only 1 tb of storage) you can not compare laptop and pc prices that good
Dave you're such an cool guy and the quality of your videos is simply top notch. I actually like watching your videos more than mkbhd. Keep doing it big!
crookback don’t buy it. Then it’s the wrong product for you. If you open it up you will see there’s not much space for replaceable stuff. Soldering takes way less space. And they have to fit 64gb ram, 8tb ssd, cpu, gpu, 100wh battery and thermals in such thin device. If you don’t need the thin device don’t get it. Im sorry apple doesn’t have an option that fits you. But it’s possible to install mac os on some windows laptops, if that’s what you want.
This is a real review and not just another “tech reviewer” talking about specs already available in Apple’s website. Great job and very informative points given! Sub earned!
Now this is something that can compete with the Microsoft Book 2 15 inch, before, the book blew the MBP out the water with the IO, and the thermals, and the keyboard, not to mention the detachable keyboard. Now they are finally in competition
As if the hate the last few years was not justified. Apple made shit products. The hate was well justified. To claim otherwise, well, only a mindless Apple fanboy would claim otherwise.
Aaron Stone that just means you dont need mac os. personally, i struggle to find a better laptop. and its only because of software. i want to be able to run logic pro x and windows laptops dont do that, so i have no other options. i use a more powerful windows as a desktop, and as far as portability goes, ill stick to macbook pros
peter K there are a lot of laptops out there like that and you just brought razer blade only get 5 hours because it’s more powerful and cost less and I mean much less
Hi, Dave. My 16 inch i7, 64 gb, 2 tb laptop sparked last night, smoked a bunch, then died. I use my laptop mainly for music production. I was really bummed out to call Apple and get really, really poor service. The computer smoked up my bedroom. I thought Apple would be really helpful, but they were really rude, and they still haven't given me a refund at this moment. The laptop was about 2 weeks old. My previous computer was a 2012 MBP. Thoughts? Has this happened to others? Have you heard of fire, catastrophic failure issues with the 2019 16 inch MBP? I wasn't doing anything particularly intensive. Shocked that the customer service was so bad. (Also, please, please do a list of recommendations for music production laptops.)
Thanks for a succinct and short review. You are the only reviewer to capture the USB C and why Apple has gone for it , it’s advantages and why it makes sense for it . Learnt something new today !! Thanks Dave. Man you are making it difficult not to drool and then finally splurge for it ... rrrghhh
whatcha think, is this good enough for the money?
Dave Lee No, maybe when I have that kind of money
yep
Simple Answer NOPE.
Dave Lee still very expensive thou
Totally not related to this video at all, but i want to get a oneplus 7tpro, but the oneplus8 is coming out early next year apparently, should i wait for it or buy the oneplus 7t pro?
The Esc key finally escaped the Touch Bar
what's the thrill to that. I was, I am, happy to have it with the Touch Bar
Ngl I've practically never used the escape key on my Mac. Unless you are playing a game, why do people like the escape key so much?
George_E As a developer I constantly use the escape key, and there are many other areas where it’s used as well. And as soon as you get used to navigating the system through he keyboard where it makes sense, instead of always using the mouse, you will use the esc key quite often. While the software key on the Touch Bar is useable and fine for most people, it‘s just not as good as having a physical key to smash, when you use it often.
So the issue is that it's not a physical button so if you like dual boot you literally just can't use the esc key and it really removes a lot of functionality
Fabio Mota
Ah right. I’m a developer as well, using Xcode on my MBP.
I know you can press Esc for showing/hiding type completions, but I don’t really do that. I don’t know if there are actually any useful shortcuts with Esc.
I just use the trackpad but I can understand what you mean
"Don't worry about this thing being renewed into some new model next year. You're good." Well that kind of aged poorly lol
Facts
Technically it is just shy of two years since first release and the only update it saw last year was the 5600M GPU option.
I have no regrets buying mine since it’s been over a year and a half for me personally. I typically upgrade every 2-3 years. My plan originally was to keep this for 3 years but the new 16” MBP M1 Max with its miniLED screen and ports really has me tempted to upgrade sooner rather than later.
The one good thing about Apple products is that they retain a high resale value. So the cost of entry may be high but the cost to upgrade is usually reasonable.
@@DDavEE I’ve had mine for about the same amount of time. The upgrades with the new generation are so tempting. I would get the 14in this time tho cuz my 16in is a little too big for me. And with the Apple trade in I get about 1500 bucks, might pull the trigger 🤷♂️.
I was just about to comment on that. Apple saw this video and said, bet.
Well it took another 2 years for a redesign
Other tech tuber: *dramatic intro with instrumental beats
Dave: OKAY SO...
So refreshing
He’s the best.
@@thebigboi5357 true
Jonathan Morrison...
MrWhostheboss...
Basically what tech reviewers focus on:
Unbox Therapy: Keyboard
Dave Lee: Chips and Thermals
MKBHD: The whole Macbook
iJustine: Just whatever comes out of Apple
Waits for Linus............(who is usually very fair with Apple reviews)
Snazzy Labs?
You forgot the biggest apple fan. Jonathan
Her name says it all
Love inbox therapy but his laptop reviews are terrible. He can’t type but complains about keyboards lol
I have the sensation that this 16’’ MacBook Pro is a bridge in terms of design as the iPad 10.5’’ was. Next year they could keep the screen size and improve the form factor design including Liquid Retina rounded corners, Face ID as happened with the iPad 11 a year after the 10.5 iPad was launched.
Liquid retina lmao
Rounded corners definitely won’t happen. FaceID is unlikely. I would actually prefer TouchID. MicroLED might happen. Apple Silicone definitely will happen. It really is a bridge though.
Absolutely. And I think I can even guess what they’re exactly gonna call it: Liquid Retina XDR, since it’s also rumored to adopt MiniLED and hence, higher dynamic range (XDR stands for Extreme Dynamic Range in Apple’s terminology)
@@Michael-zn2jc “Definitely won’t” why do you think so? On phones I agree I definitely prefer Touch ID but on laptops and tablets with keyboard cases I MUCH prefer facial authentication. Also this year won’t be the year we’ll be getting MicroLED, that’s farther ahead for now. This year what we’re supposedly getting is MiniLED, which is somewhere between IPS LCD with a standard backlight and MicroLED, so not quite at the contrast level of MicroLED.
@@utubekullanicisi I don’t know why I wrote MicroLed, but you’re right, I meant to say MiniLed. About the rounded displays, more recent “leaks” have led me to be believe it might happen but I’m still not sure. I just don’t see it as something important. It would probably cause problems viewing things in full screen so I don’t like the idea.
“Its complicated”
Dave 2019
i love you
It’s surprising that the 100 watts thing with the components isn’t mentioned more often
@@adarshkmryadav the maximum power USB C can provide is 100W. You need all the components inside the laptop to draw under 100W of power so you can keep the USB C cable and power adapter. If you add a GTX GPU, those GPUs themselves will draw anywhere from 150W to 250W, with which you could no longer use USB C to charge and you would need a big bulky power brick to draw that power from the wall.
@@eXoguti094 The best solution is an external GPU. Apple has 4 thunderbolt ports so it shouldn't be an issue other than money.
At this point, I'm even surprised that he mentioned that, cuz this has been a critical reason for me to consider the MacBooks, and barely anyone has ever mentioned it.
Adarsh K. Yadav they also had some beef with nvidia. Also the amd graphic cards take much less battery . Amd graphics cards also have better compatibility with the external 4k displays
@@eXoguti094 the size of the power brick is not much bigger, the only thing that changes is the connector and cable.
He proteccc
He attaccc
But most importantly
He is still unsure about the mac
RITU KIKI *macc
TRUE, BIG TRUE
Is he though? He sounded pretty sure to me.
@@abubakrakram6208 he's being as positive as he can without straight up lying because he wants to be able to keep reviewing apple products and not get blacklisted. Basically the whole review is, "it's good for what limitations it has". Not once did he say or imply that this is the best out there, or a great value or is it highly recommend. It's basically just "good". Not amazing. Not great. Just good.
@@aaaaaaxaaaaaa true
Dave2D: "The world's most powerful laptop that can use USB-C charging"
Apple marketing: "The world's most powerful laptop" -Dave2D
Hahaha true true
Dean Churchman They didn’t claim that anywhere...
Dave2D: I see what you did there
Jokes aside, Apple don’t do that. They only say “it’s the most powerful MacBook ever”.
Watch this video before buying MacBook
ruclips.net/video/lTpHa70DDX0/видео.html
Dave approved. Time to move back to MacOS.
cringe os
@@vexus1093 Boohoo
@@vexus1093 how is it cringy?
@@BaderHashmeh Apple bad. Dave even said that he prefers MacOS over windows
@@cheechenc7260 i know that he said he prefers macos
"Limitation that shouldn't have been there" - That's the best phrase to describe apple. They are so good at something, while they are weirdly limited in others.
That's Apple's entire business model. Limit a product *just* enough that someone becomes willing to spend another $400 for a $20 upgrade.
@@Kataroku Microsoft with the entire Surface line too, they always lure you in with an appealing pricetag and then you click through and find out that's for a model nerfed in some horrible way like having a 2019 device with 4GB of RAM. You make Windows you assholes you know that won't run right.
Kataroku That’s basically every thin laptop these days. Lenovo, Apple, Microsoft, etc..
What I meant was a bit different. Such as only type c IOs on macbooks, while everyone is using dongles, elimination of 3.5 headphone jack - it was pretty weird then.
These macbooks are so expensive
A similar 14 inch MacBook Pro would literally be an instant buy for me.
His Majesty I can’t wait
Lew (from Unbox Therapy) said it's rumored they are NOT going with a 14 inch MacBook next year. You may have to wait at least 2 more years for that.
Juan Taveras IV what reason would they have to not upgrade the 13”?
Juan Taveras IV but I’m pretty sure they at least change the keyboard design. That’s enough for me.
Fixed keyboard, no touch bar and fair priced base model.
8gb ram/128gb ssd ain't cutting it for a "Pro" base model
Dave: I don’t want to go into the technical stuff of these products.
Also Dave: *solidly dives into technical stuff
"It's fairly priced... for an Apple product.." 😂😂... that had to be said..
LOL
Very fairly priced
Me : tring for a year to save to get a 500 dollar pc
RUclips : Lets recommend a 2400 dollar laptop to this guy
@Cash Ash I'm saying 😂
Instead of saving just steal one
Hey, I got a fully loaded 2014 15 inch for 480 dollars early this year (3200 when new), point being, this will also be a 500 dollars pc someday, just not soon haha
@@alarak2159 That whole sentence made no sense whatsoever
@@edvando1258 😂
"The i9 is worth it"
What did it cost?
"Everything"
Magoon TV no?
hahahaha
Apple and Valve are making something together.
[Gaben intensify]
they are?
@Far L AR*
@@SaruwatariMasahiro they AR
Half-life 4
no see mack os catalina break all steam games
I'm visiting this over a year later and I cannot express enough how much I appreciate these review! Thank you
I'm in the market for a MB Pro since September 2017 and I waited and I waited and I waited because of reasons, but....I think now I can have a raliable machine for my work. Thank you Dave. Keep the good work!
16 inches of fixed MacBook.
*Take 2*
Now SD Card Reader and Magsafe please
@Swift Boiz I have to highly disagree on that. I'm a musician and a photographer and I need a SD card for both of my work fields. As a musician we tend to use audio recorders to record concerts to evaluate our own playing or just record a jam session to extract the best ideas. Yes, we could use our phones for that but the audio quality of a phone will never reach the same quality of a dedicated audio recorder especially in high volume situations.
As photographer I have to disagree even more. I can tell you that all cameras have SD cards. ALL of them. Sony's flagship mirrorless camera the A7s III came out in February last year and it uses 2(!!!) SD cards. All professional grade Canon cameras use SD cards. Even their full frame mirrorless camera that came out last year uses SD cards. Given, they have wifi build into them but the purpose of that is not to transfer data from the camera to the computer but to trigger your camera with your phone.
Don't forget videographers, same thing just moving pictures. Have you ever tried downloading a 30gb file?
Photographers, Videographers and other creators that are in desperate need of the SD Card readers were turning away from the 2016 MBP's one big reason was the ports. Sara Dietschy, Chris Hau, Lizzie Pierce and many others.
And those USB-C Magsafes. Never heard of an review that said those won't break after a few months of usage.
Sorry for the rant but I've never seen such an uneducated statement...
guitarplayer1994 I get that an SD card reader might be super useful for you, but the vast majority of people don’t use one. Also I love the MagSafe on my 2012 but being able to plug in my laptop from either side would be more convenient.
Just because swiftboy’s point didn’t meet your particular use case doesn’t mean it was uneducated
Swift Boiz I wouldn’t bother arguing with him. The most creative thing he’s ever done is come up with the username guitarplayer lol.
@Swift Boiz Well, it's all about convenience. Let's start with the dictaphones. First of all: I have studio microphones. USB microphones for any musician are utterly useless (don't want to go into the reasons here). I don't want to bring my laptop, my audiointerface, my microphone, my stand and cables to a concert when I AM ON STAGE performing, to review the performance afterwards. First convenience second: Somebody might steal it.
Oh by the way, I'm in Europe: Not everybody has a car.
Let's get to adapter things: Have you ever forgotten a toothbrush when you went traveling?
It's about convenience. I don't want to carry around adapters all the time, at this price tag I want a machine that's a stand alone. USB-C I get behind it's the future, I get it. I even encourage it.
But hell ... There's a reason why people call it the dongle book pro.
I don't even necessarily have a problem with adapters: Get one for your monitor/TV/beamer/whatever and just leave on the cable, problem solved.
SD card is a different thing man. I don't want to be carrying around 3000 cables to do basic work.
And yes there are plenty of laptops to choose from, I still use my 2013 MBP and pray that it'll last as long as "it takes for the industry to adopt the latest and greatest ports". As I mentioned earlier a lot of creators moved away from Macbooks for that exact convenience.
I don't know you or your field of expertise but you clearly haven't been in the fields of music, photography or videography.
My day is complete, I heard dave’s voice.
get a life
Your gay
Ok boomer
@@coolshariq you're
His and Linus's reviews are more legit compared to other YT reviewers
Could you tell me some examples of ineffective tech reviewers?
and mkbhd
linus tech tips a lot of times says bad things about devices if they don't pay them enough or just say nonsense too. I don't ever trust youtubers really. tho dave usually is trustable.
also don't forget to read consumer reviews. a lot of models have common issues. I got an ux430ua once cause every review was good. the display died in a year. turns out it was VERY common with the model. lukcily I got a full refund but still something to keep in mind. I just got lucky to get a refund.
Zone of tech is also very good ...more in-depth review
TheWobblyEmily Ltt doesn’t get paid for reviews.
Do you think they’ll refresh the 16” soon? I’m needing a mac soonish (within a month maybe) and i dont want to buy this one since its a year old already 😅
"The esc key fulfilled it's destiny, and lived happily ever after"
Raphael Li good one
I don’t know if this is stupid but is it any coincidence that Apple has started to listen to peoples criticisms about the design of their products after Jony Ive left? Just curious.
Like Saucy said, I doubt the whole blame on Ive thing since he was here for literal decades prior to the complaints rising up. I also feel like some of the issues people have exist only in their heads. Like the iPhone being too thin and not having enough battery, even though it's consistently gotten thicker since the iPhone 6.
AbuBakr Akram I agree, I just wanted to see because I thought about this for a while and the timing of it marches up. It's most likely just a coincidence.
Yeah it is true. It is a well known fact that Jony Ive left because he was increasingly irritated at the higher ups not being even near as involved in product design as Steve Jobs was.
They couldn't entirely rely on Jony(he was super demotivated and not even in the office for most days of the week before leaving) anymore so they decided to do market research themselves.
Still, Phil is still there so they didn't fuck it up.
OMGitsNICK i wouldn’t be surprised if apple are designing products years in advance. This was probably almost finalised before Ive left
@@adamlax27 With how Apple do their macbook motherboards and hardware refreshes? Nah.
Really informative. This is the type of review I was looking for
4:47 The Steam CEO on a Mac, imteresting =D
Half-Life 3 confirmed
Mac has 3 letters... y’all know where this is going...
”steam ceo” :DDDD
Best video I’ve watched about the 16” MacBook Pro. Very short and brief. Straight to the point. Great video!!!
the slight zoom into the match cut with the keyboard key removed was really nice editing
I wish it had more flaws. Now I will have to buy it... too bad :)
Dave back in the hands of Tim Apple!
This video got me double the storage, 2 more cores, and the i9 for only $100 more. Thank you for making the suggestion to really consider the i9!
Donate me some money yo😂
Thanks Dave. I have an early 2015 MBP. I need to upgrade because it is finally starting to run slow and have some issues. I'm glad you made this video & addressed Adobe CS as well. That is some programs I have been wanting other tech reviewers to mention on its performance and haven't heard much on it yet. Keep it up Dave! Thanks for being a reviewer that is solid and honest on their reviews.
I must say that the usb-c charging and intenal limitation is something i didn’t know about.
Great Job on Reviews in your latest videos have improved way better in past few weeks.
yep, finally upgrading from an early 2013 mbpr :) thanks for all your reviews, very useful!
How do you like it? Which one did you get?
Great review. Love watching your videos on here.
Got mine on order but kept away from the i9 since I already have an iMac Pro 14x maxed out.
Have gone for 64gb ram, 8gb video and 2tb storage since I’ll mainly be using it for audio and only some 4-8k A/V work.
How did you fix the keyboard?
*Apple:* MaGiC
apple: *reuses an old design*
apple: mAgiC
You guys ever appreciate the fact that Dave's videos seem to have no cuts and he rarely makes mistakes or stutters?
You always do laptop review better than any other youtuber out there and you honest about it so keep it up lee
Love your videos man. I really wish Apple would bring back upgradable hardware, they're on the right track with the keyboard at least.
The odds of that happening is slim to none
I would love for something between the Mini and Pro would exist on the desktop side of things, something besides the iMac I mean, a small tower, with good but not necessarily crazy performance and easy to upgrade/expand.
The mac pro is upgradable but it's not a general consumer device at all.
And i need the people that bring back the keyboard,who bring it some thickness and making it better for the same price...oh well it would have been hard to make it more expensive.
There ain't nobody that has upgradable hardware. NOBODY. I have looked and there is not one name brand that allows me to swap to the newest CPU, and the newest GPU. NOBODY, so I wish everyone would stop crying about his already since swapping the drive or adding a bit more RAM just will not give me the performance most that I can get with a CPU and GPU upgrade.
It's not possible to give upgradable laptop considering how slim it is. And all companies only offer upgradable ram now nothing else
Listening to Dave talk is like the first time I heard The Beatles.
Superbad reference? haha.
I love this channel.
I still have a 2019 13’ MBP though.
Dave your channel is awesome. This video is truly real talk. Keep them coming bro
I watch a lot of tech related videos but I just wanted to say that I **REALLY** rate your channel and your intelligent approach to reviewing products. I don't want someone to just reel off lots of specs as I can see all that on the web. You're doing a fantastic job. Thank you. 👍👍👍🥰
Dave: "Pricing is fair for an Apple product"
Me: 😵
That's it. That's the comment to rule them all.
The pricing isn't fairer, Dave, you've just grown accustomed to it. Like an awful lot of people btw.
In addition to that, we are Indian's 😂
@@Enover5 like an awful lot of sheep you mean :)
Nicolas Terny Nah, it really is worth the money. Good luck finding a comparable windows machine (Specs & build quality) in that price range.
@@TheBlashMusic i hope you are sarcastic, for the specs, you can get a windows based laptop with the same specs for less than half the price (like Dell XPS Series for example), and the build quality ????, yeah it looks good from the outside (like any another windows premuim series) but the amount of internal/hardware issues is far more than any other company ( you can look on the internet for the hardware pooblemes encountered in any macbook series)
Microsoft 2019: Let's make Surfaces easier to fix
Apple 2019: **holds up both middle fingers**
Honestly, major props to Microsoft for that. I hope more companies do the same
The surface laptops are just easier to fix for Microsoft themselves as they use mostly custom parts inside the devices. It’s not like they are 2012 laptops that you can easily repair yourself with common parts if something broke.
@@floriang2801 nah the new ones are supposed to have self-repair in mind
Florian G nah the components as far as off the shelf components are all upgradable
Yes from impossible to possible. Still worse than apple.
Apple has been really good this year.. wow. It's been a while since I felt that way.
NeuesTestament Find one device that is equivalent to the MacBook Pro and is cheaper that isn’t an older MacBook Pro. You won’t find any.
In the realm of speakers, microphone, and trackpad, no one touches Apple
NeuesTestament the keyboard debacle was unacceptable, but it's undeniable that there's nothing like a MacBook.
@@RR-uc1wb If it wasn't for MacOS I wouldn't give these notebooks a second look.
Wow. Your review was awesome. Learnt something new today about laptop power flow mechanism.
I've seen tons of reviews for the MBPro and yours is really good. The information you shared is very useful and original. 👍
@6:20
Apple: Well actually…
I'd say this is just about perfect for a macbook. Only thing missing for me is a 120+ hz screen.
Thank you Dave for putting out such honest and soothing reviews for us. You've gained our trust and faith in you. Thank you! Keep doing your thing :)
Nice short review!
I like a quick snapshots of teardowns. It was interesting to see some metal components on fans in comparison and the scissor switches being exposed.
The reason i like Daves videos is that he is not deliberately adding fluff to his videos to make it a 10 minute video so he can get more ad money. He is straight to the point and all of the content has actual meaning and is important.
Dave really know the value of time video starts at 0:04 👐🏻
Someone else finally mentions the power thing :O
I felt cool when he said 'community of technological Enthusiast ' at 4:55.
As usual your reviews are totally unbiased and totally with two feet on the ground .thanks !!!
A small thing but I’m very happy you don’t have annoying loud outro music like a lot of channels
Hey Dave, would love to see a Concept D review! Have been so curious since it was in your Creator's laptop video
really rare comment with some sense. what the fuck is happening with comment section recent years.
you came here to see the review of the product, comment something about it and yet bunch of 9 year olds with their stupid meme comments they think is somewhat is funny.
even memes aren´t what they used to be before.
In his "Razer Blade broke" video, he said that it throttled and the drives got way too hot.
"Its good. 👌🏻"
~ Dave Lee
Is it possible that jony ive was holding apple back because he wanted everything to be visually appealing?
Apple is actually listening with the new phones, ipads, and MacBooks since he left...
They are going on the right track!
As the owner of an iPhone 11 Pro Max, I'm really not sure why people find this thing so revolutionary. It's fantastic, but it's extremely similar to the Xs Max.
What changed? The battery? Really? That's enough to make the world go crazy for it? And pretend that Apple wasn't making phones thicker since the iPhone 6?
Really, what track has Apple changed to that I don't see?
@@abubakrakram6208 Camera (ugly as sin as they are), battery, and fast charger out of the box. The current trend nowadays is to put multiple good cameras with good software and having a huge battery. 4000mah+ battery capacity is considered the norm nowadays. Alongside that, not having a fast charger to charge up a phone with a huge battery is considered a deal breaker for a lot of people.
People actually wanted all three and Apple delivered, hence why it's celebrated. Not a revolutionary thing though.
@@lewsee5562 Perhaps its more in my head than in reality, but the whole vibe surrounding these iPhones is more than just celebratory. Reviewers are all acting as though the phone is the most amazing they've seen in years. As if it's paradigm shifting. How many videos are you seeing titled _"I was wrong about the iPhone 11 Pro."_
AbuBakr Akram because most people are wrong about the iPhone 11 Pro. They think its overrated, but its not especially if they start to use it on a daily basis. Its not a revolutionary smartphone by any means. But its a revolutionary product for Apple and their users. For one, Apple seem to start listening to their users when they included fast chargers, night mode photography, and batteries that last longer. These are features that are best found from t he Pixel 3 last year. Its a paradigm “shifting” product for people who don’t want to use Android phones or don’t want to go back into Android (like me).
@@aeronybrek4696 *_I_* use it on a daily basis! I love it, but I loved the Xs Max too. I'm ending the day above 60% battery now, before I'd end it above 20%. I use wireless charging at night, so I didn't take the fast charger out of the box. Maybe I'm just not the target audience anymore…
straightforward, reasonable dialogue. terrific video, Dave.
I could sit and watch your videos all day long...
I learn more things than I have ever learned in a university class!
Refreshing take on the new 16”, thanks man.
they way you explained why they choose amd graphic rather than nvida is really satisfying. Might be not the full reason but at least one of them. thanks Dave!
“I’m glad they didn’t put an RTX or GTX in here because then it can’t be charged by 100W USB-C...it can’t be done”
I’m typing this comment from an X1 Extreme Gen 2 with an i9 & GTX being charged by...you guessed it- a 100W USB-C
the argument is just BS by Dave. Of course a gtx2080 (or even lower) will burn through the battery in hours (or better minutes haha) but the thing can still be charged, EVEN with only a small 100W power brick on a plane! The battery will still drain if you use 100% cpu and gpu, but you hardly ever use full power on a plane.
If you just use sub 100watt performance on a plane, you can perfectly use a different 100watt psu and it will charge nevertheless.
@gravis34 how is the battery life?
Do you have the 4k screen?
Also do you use Windows or Linux?
I want to buy it but I'm still hesitating
In all honesty I think Dave2D misspoke because the GTX 1650 max-q in your Thinkpad has a similar power envelope to the AMD Radeon Pro 5500M but is not as powerful.
Which GTX? A low end GTX is probably comparable to the AMD 5500M 8GB in performance. Dave's point is that a more POWERful GPU, by definition, can't run at full steam on Power Delivery standard because it maxes out at 100 watt of continuous supply. Charging a laptop battery and powering the device are also different concepts
Ryan Cowan Hear him at 3:06. “RTX or GTX ANYTHING inside here, it won’t work under the 100W USB-C limit”. That’s factually incorrect, since the 5500M is comparable or can outperform the GTX 1650 with the same power envelope.
If they were closer to NVIDIA still, they would’ve used the 1650 (like they used the 750m in the 15” in the past).
I like your videos. They are short to the point unlike other RUclipsrs who make their videos unnecessarily long and boring. Yours are like addictive facts.
The 100w insight is something that I didn't know and t that actually makes a lot of sense for the Apple demographic. Fantastic video as always, explaining things simply but in a way that doesn't oversimplify or lie and empathizing with every opinion that could be had regarding the product
Apple being recommend by Dace2D, it has been a while since I saw that.
He always recommends them because he's blinded by the Apple logo on it. Not just this one
“MBP 16 is great!”
For that price, I hope it is great.
@Dave Lee Thank you for the videos, I'm a fan. But how does the Wifi 6 affects anything?
- Buying second hand 2019 Macbook Pro 16IN for $2,000.
That edit at 3:40 was super clean.
a very cool, chill video. liked the review a lot. you're doing a great and minimalistic job! keep it up
I don’t know, I think MagSafe was more valuable 😂
For such a large grille, the speakers look very small when viewed inside.
It's for ventilation mainly
D2D: pricing is fair
Also D2D: showing 6000$ fully upgraded
Well last year fully upgraded it was around $6500 so it’s still cheaper than last year
I am pretty sure even if you tried building the best of the best gaming pc with 2 rtx 2080 ti and an i9 9900KS you will still wont pay as much. This price is pure bullshit. And we said razer is expensive even the OLED one with an rtx 2070 dont cost anyway near the macbooks.
Yeah, but were you really going to need 64 GB of RAM and an Apple 8 TB SSD? And I say "Apple SSD" because of how fast their SSDs are.
That's like saying desktops are overpriced priced just because you saw a $10k desktop you could buy.
@@abjdalgnd But you have the same with every laptop, if you buy the full spec Razer blade 15 it's 4500 as well (with only 1 tb of storage) you can not compare laptop and pc prices that good
@@cesarperezargota "Apple SSD"? Its a normal samsung sata ssd that costs around 800$ if you want 8 tb. Still no point in costing that much.
to the point, no butterfly effects or so just plain good review. thank you
Dave you're such an cool guy and the quality of your videos is simply top notch. I actually like watching your videos more than mkbhd. Keep doing it big!
I keep watching these expecting somebody to be like "oh, and I found an sd card ready built in here!" Lol
Employees: do a good job they are paid for.
Phil Schiller: WE'VE SPEND DECADES WORKING ON THIS IMPRESSIVE TECHNOLOGY.
Is it just me, or does Dave look just a little happier now that he’s back to loving the MBP.
Dave what do you think should i upgrade from Razer Blade 15 to Mac16?
Lee, you are always the best on your comments. Thank you once again. Marc
Everything still soldered on the main board?
Yep, engineered obsolescence is still an included feature of the Macbook lineup.
crookback don’t buy it. Then it’s the wrong product for you. If you open it up you will see there’s not much space for replaceable stuff. Soldering takes way less space. And they have to fit 64gb ram, 8tb ssd, cpu, gpu, 100wh battery and thermals in such thin device.
If you don’t need the thin device don’t get it. Im sorry apple doesn’t have an option that fits you.
But it’s possible to install mac os on some windows laptops, if that’s what you want.
Those specs should last you 5-6 years though.
Yup...processer... memory..ram..if failure one of those units you need to pay big money to restore..
Yup. Still soldered and still glued. Fuxk that. Hard pass.
If the ssd or ram fails it means a $1000+ motherboard replacement.
“They going to use this shape for a while”
Apple 2020: introducing the all new MacBook Pro with an OLED 3D Touch keyboard.
I doubt maybe screen become oled
Dont give timapple ideas
tim apple no innovation
That huge taptic engine is going be using up all the battery lol
real cartoon girl innovation don’t mean shitty fan made nonsense shitty renders
If Dave says it's worth it I'm buying.
Same
plz do not
@@sgm4545 I'm selling my 2017 and buying this one
Your a sheep 🐑
You're*
This is a real review and not just another “tech reviewer” talking about specs already available in Apple’s website. Great job and very informative points given! Sub earned!
dave you rock ... constant great reviews and advice ... totally trust you
Is anyine gonna talk about the fan noise on this thing?! I'm a music producer and I'd love to see a Logic Pro stress test.
@@andrethedias Well that's a stupid question.
Not gonna talk technically - proceeds talking technically
No WiFi 6?
No FaceID?
Same Design?
*It tells us that Apple is planning another Laptop*
no shit sherlock
Interesting take
Art of Medicine you made a very helpful comment.
@@xylongevity intel confirmed they are switching to their own processors.
@@SuCKeRPunCH187 Custom Silicon? Maybe that's when we'll finally see MacOS v11.0.0
Your laptop reviews are my favorite. Keep up the great work.
Now this is something that can compete with the Microsoft Book 2 15 inch, before, the book blew the MBP out the water with the IO, and the thermals, and the keyboard, not to mention the detachable keyboard. Now they are finally in competition
Apple haters: hate intensifies - goes to unboxtherapy
Unbox Therapy: being positive with the MacBook.
Apple haters: time to move on
As if the hate the last few years was not justified. Apple made shit products. The hate was well justified. To claim otherwise, well, only a mindless Apple fanboy would claim otherwise.
it's not hate if i ain't buying a laptop just for the sake of BRAND..
when I've got better n cheaper options..
Aaron Stone that just means you dont need mac os. personally, i struggle to find a better laptop. and its only because of software. i want to be able to run logic pro x and windows laptops dont do that, so i have no other options. i use a more powerful windows as a desktop, and as far as portability goes, ill stick to macbook pros
peter K there are a lot of laptops out there like that and you just brought razer blade only get 5 hours because it’s more powerful and cost less and I mean much less
Why does every RUclipsr benchmark Rise of the tomb raider on mac? Is it the only recent game available for it ?
It's better that way because it makes reviews comparable.
Me back in June: *upgrades MacBook*
Apple, 6 freaking months later: *new hotness*
Me today: sadtrombone.mp3
Don't feel too bad, the fact that you literally have been buying the same iPhone for the last 5 years is probably a bigger jab in the gut
@@LulzRoyce *3 years but who is counting ?
Hi, Dave. My 16 inch i7, 64 gb, 2 tb laptop sparked last night, smoked a bunch, then died. I use my laptop mainly for music production. I was really bummed out to call Apple and get really, really poor service. The computer smoked up my bedroom. I thought Apple would be really helpful, but they were really rude, and they still haven't given me a refund at this moment. The laptop was about 2 weeks old. My previous computer was a 2012 MBP. Thoughts? Has this happened to others? Have you heard of fire, catastrophic failure issues with the 2019 16 inch MBP? I wasn't doing anything particularly intensive. Shocked that the customer service was so bad. (Also, please, please do a list of recommendations for music production laptops.)
Thanks for a succinct and short review. You are the only reviewer to capture the USB C and why Apple has gone for it , it’s advantages and why it makes sense for it . Learnt something new today !! Thanks Dave.
Man you are making it difficult not to drool and then finally splurge for it ... rrrghhh