What happened to the human torpedo if it missed its target? -
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This question comes from 3lli0, thanks for the question.
Imagine seeing your own torpedo circle back towards you
Seen it. The Hunt for Red October.
That’s probably the second scariest thing for any submariner. First place being major flooding at depth
Being submerged you own submarine would see it would they. Submarines don’t have windows.
"You arrogant ass, you killed us."
@@BensonCaisipwhat is that from ?
Being labelled a coward by people still alive is a bit rich, eh
I was thinking the same thing
It's their culture though. Japanese culture is all about honor and dignity. Abandoning your orders is also treason
@@iffyfox9749 Idgaf about honor and dignity if I'm not getting something in return.
Western Individualism better.
@@xyzgaming450”western individualism better” The west has fallen.
@@Faygo2215 "the west has fallen" japan lost the war lmao
What a pointless and horrific nightmare.
Plenty of human torpedo projects during the war by many of participant countries
Not to mention that sinking a ship by loss of one man, that does not seem particularly pointless
@@GaiusCaligula234except in other nations, the user would bail out at the last second
@@sigamer216 Not really - in Kaitens the same idea was implemented in the beginning - but as the experiments with it shown, similarly to German human torpedoes, it was basically impossible to achieve
@@GaiusCaligula234 hold up a second, while Italy, the UK, and Germany also all had projects refered to as "human torpedoes" during the war (the USSR and US devloped some after the war), only Japan developed a version where the intent was that the pilot be part of the explosion. All the other countries designed their "human torpedoes" to be craft that carried small actual torpedoes that would be deployed from the vessel. In fairness, the German designs sometimes had the same result due to the torpedo failing to release.
Another question on that: how many ships, if any, did it sink
Around 100 Kaiten were deployed. They sank three American ships, killing 187 men. Contrast that with the Japanese losses: 104 Kaiten pilots died (including 16 killed in training accidents). Also 156 maintenance and support personnel killed, and 8 submarines sunk while carrying Kaiten (killing the 846 men on board).
@@anenglishmanabroadthank you, sir. Good knowledge and not really a good trade for Nippon
@@anenglishmanabroad man, what a waste. fascism is a death cult.
@@anenglishmanabroaddid the 8 subs sank sink because of the kaiten? or just while carrying it
@@sage5296 Just while carrying it - in operations to seek out and engage American forces, or encountered and hunted down by US ships or planes. I can't vouch for the accuracy of the information but the Wikipedia page on the kaiten has a detailed section on each of the operations in which kaiten were deployed, and the circumstances in which the subs were sunk.
The IJN really seemed like something out of warhammer. But I'm not sure if it's more ork or imperium flavored
Why not both?
Imperium of Japan?
The Imperium's boarding torpedoes are, well, as the name implies.
Both the Imperial Guard and Marines use them, so they lean more on the Imperium's side I suppose.
Definitely the impirum, orks are happy.
Imperial torpedo's almost certainly have a servitor embedded in there somewhere.
Kaiten was actually one of the few really, really bad suicide weapons developed by Japan late in the war. To be clear: suicide weapons are inhenrently questionable idea at best, but Kaiten was one of the less reliable, VERY difficult to operate and doomed to fail weapons.
The Ohka rocket plane wasn't very good either.
Despite their moral problems, suicide attacks are not always strategically questionable. If you lack the capability to reliably deliver damage to the intended target remotely, your other option is to do it “in person”. The Kamikazes, for example, dealt more damage than Japan was capable of doing at that time with conventional attacks.
During a time of unimaginable misery, Japan somehow managed to make everything slightly worse for their soldiers.
Anything to avoid surrendering, I guess.
They somehow managed to make life worse for pretty much everyone
This seems in contrast to what I've heard about kamikaze pilots, many did return if they missed or didn't find a suitable target, they'd get some rest and then go out again. Some did survive as the war ended or they were discharged for some other reason.
If they hit and survived, it really sucked
there's this story of a kamikaze pilot who bailed out 9 times before getting executed for cowardice. guess you can say mission failed succesfully
That doesn't mean they didn't feel shame though... Food for thought.
@@AAARREUUUGHHHH It was more pragmatism, there weren't all that many kamikaze pilots and they were expensive to train, so each "sacrifice" really needed to count.
@@lillyieyeah, but that was because all of his fellow kamikazes haven’t returned in the same missions, casting doubt on his argument that he couldn’t see the target
What an insane dilemma it must've been if you missed.
Not for indoctrinated japanese soldiers. For them it was clear - death before dishonor
Being so introverted that you would rather sink than go back and explain yourself to your superiors and the crew.
Just surrender and live?
@@Ressuu Surrender was not an option
@@Ressuu Yes but the japanese culture was different. I read stories about some of the few that gave up and the shame was unbearable for them.
You were expected to d*e before you gave up.
This looks like something devised by a saturday morning cartoon villain, sending their expendable minions piloting a bomb in a suicide misision, and then getting mad they didn't die.
If there were some that actually returned,then I wonder if they wrote anything about their experiences.
I believe some were trained on it but the war ended before they could go on a mission.
The only accounts I read were ones from pilots that never sortied at all, due to personnel pr mechanical issues, and they were still dealing with serious shame 50 years later.
“But sir, won’t that kill the operator?”
“Yes, the upside is you won’t have to pay them anymore”
Ah, imperial Japanese living in the 40k universe once again
The Japanese really were absolutely demented during WWII which makes it all the more amazing amazing how the culture of Japan and also Germany changed so massively and rapidly after the war
One of those, yes. The other, somewhat but you have also been massively li / edd to about.
@@BarryMcCockiner-em5svI hope you mean that Japan hasn’t entirely owned up to its past
You do realize the allies were burning to death millions of Japanese civilians, right?
it didn't change, they just don't have a military anymore so you don't notice.
@@tohopesthe JSDF is one of the most potent militaries on earth...
Interesting. Such a stark contrast to kamakazi pilots who came back time and time again after misses and mechanical failures.
You know what? I think my job is not that bad.
I recall reading an estimate somewhere that suggested more Japanese might have died operating the Kaiten than US Servicemen died due to their ships being hit by Kaiten.
How horrible a war can be that people could feel ashamed for returning to safety alive..
That is an improper assessment
That had nothing to do with the war itself. Plenty of Americans and British and even Germans were more than willing to return after a failed bombing run or a failed attack of any kind. This had to do almost entirely with Japanese culture
It is not the war, this is Japanese culture but was buffed for warfare. Basically, if you fail your job, you have been dishonorable and a shame to society.
In the present day such tradition still exists in Japanese culture except it has transformed into things like getting a stable job, getting married, and such..which is also the reason why suicide rate there is high.
Least psychotic late war Japanese weapon
If you are in a human torpedo, you already know you're not coming back.
Considering they were welded shut in their torpedos. Does that mean the ones that ran out of fuel and sunk died a slow horrible death? Morbid
That is a myth.
They had the option to manually explode
They didn't actually get sealed in it. That's a myth.
I actually heard a couple hundred were deployed, but only about 3 were actually confirmed to have hit their target
At least American managed to design a torpedo that didn't hit anything without having a pilot on board
The less successful cousin of the Kamikaze you never heard of till today.
When you think about it the Kaiten was the first MCLOS torpedo
"Passenger" is definitely one way to try and describe a kamikazi pilot.
Bro didnt even think to refuel if you wanna go back but instead get scolded for being coward.😂
Kamikaze pilots often returned from their mission, if they were unable to find or attack enemy ships. There was no stigma, they were sent on another mission. After all, why waste a good pilot and a plane instead of using it again. I wonder why this wasn't a thing at the navy?
They would also turn back if they had a fault with the aircraft
I suspect it is something to do with the difficulty of reloading the torpedo while underway, and that if your torpedo missed there were likely pissed off enemies in the area to complicate things further.
The differing cultures and confidence of the various branches of the Japanese military is arguably why they attacked the US in the first place. The IJN was more successful than the army was in 1941, but also had their own brand of crazy that manifested in things like this (or the Yamato, which was an insane design from the start).
I thought the guy was going to give me stock tips
You know you're winning when your side chooses to use suicide weapons.
You got to swim back to the boat...
shark-food
A torpedo striking the sub that fired it is called a “hot fish” incident
Forcing someone to die like a baka bomb.
It’s just amazing to me that they were so obsessed with shame and honor; meanwhile committing some if the most heinous and despicable war crimes ever known to man
Because of what they considered to bring shame, and what they considered to bring honor. They believed that if you did 'dishonorable' things such as surrendering, that you gave up your status as a fellow human being, and you deserved whatever cruelty that could be dished to you. Contrast that to Western military tradition which considered it dishonorable to let your men die when you're in a hopeless situation (such as being encircled with no chance of rescue)
@@adamperdue3178 that is dumb af c
"I'm not a coward! I just want to make sure I actually hit something!!!"
This appeared randomly in between wahrster 40k shorts…
One thing, these guys had to be fairly well trained.
American B-17 crew returning back with the help of a german BF-109: a war miracle and immense respect for the german pilot with neverending gratitude by the american crew;
A japanese pilot (or, better, sailor) coming back alive from a mission he was supposed to die into because he didn't even find the target: *shamefur dispray!*
You would think that the inclusion of a pilot would radically redefine their performance. It's unsettling how disposable soldier tactics seemed to become more point than measure. Instead of desperately trying to clinch out victory, it's like they just wanted to bloody the enemy as much as possible while also getting their soldiers to off themselves.
They should make a second seat for a co-pilot
Least ridiculous idea from tyrants
The Romans never left. They left Bruttium southern Italy. There was no Roman Britain. We just traded.
They choose DEATH
"passenger"
All that coward shaming was just gaslighting. Command was always ready to send souls to the Yasukuni Shrines.
What about the Ohka??? I’m assuming they too had a drowning potential???
With the Ohka, you probably died hitting the water at ridiculously high speeds.
Either because the very light plane disintegrated upon hitting the water, or the nose made of a warhead detonated from the force.
Wow japanese guidance system is so advanced it feels like a human plioting it
Did any single pilot confirmed live?
“Few chose this”
Translation: they all chose this, few made it back in time.
I wonder if any of these guys spun around and headed back toward their own sub... For revenge?
If he had a grudge... I bet alot of sub crews did alot of praying !
That's interesting compared to the Kamikaze who were encouraged to return to base if they legitimately couldn't make a successful hit on a target. The cowardice came from not trying again.
Well, what do you think? Happens to a normal torpedo if it misses? Now imagine a human being in there with no other choice but to sit in there till he dies
Did any of them graze the ship, and then say "jesus, this kamikaze business might not be for me, I think maaaaaybe I'll go back to base?"
Not a cowed they just understand resources
Oh no! The machine we gave you didn't work. You coward!
CAN YOU SAY: UNDERWATER KAMIKAZE???????????
Why do you need six hands if there are only four directions?!!!
up and down
@@krisshnapeswanipeswani3190 It's a RVB reference
@@laggerstudios3392 whats RVB genuinly asking
@@krisshnapeswanipeswani3190 Red Vs Blue. Longest running web series in history, or at least used to be. Machinima based on the HALO video game. It's pretty good and I recommend anyone check it out. First 5 seasons might seem a little boring and slow, but 6-13 has some actual good story. I recommend anything up to Season 15, after that I have no guarantees.
@@krisshnapeswanipeswani3190 Red vs Blue, a machinima series, *the* machinima series, really.
It's about two different teams of soldiers, Red Team and Blue Team, recorded in Halo games.
Back to the submarine and do what?
Quiet quit _that_
Things like this is why I am sometimes glad western culture is as cynical, self-centered, and suspicious of authority as we are. There's no way in Hell you'd convince an American serviceman to do some stupid sh*t like this for a war that is beyond lost.
Sis Boom Bah
Did any just surrender? Or would they typically commit suicide if they missed there target and did not go back?
From what I understand it was impossible to open the Torpedo from the inside.
Hence the nuke
Not quite. The nuke may not have been entirely necessary but the Americans did a poor job communicating that they were ok with the emperor staying in power. Had they done that, Japan would have surrendered much sooner.
@@MisterJackTheAttack bro wants long insurgency with fanatics! nice armchair general !
How brave these people were. I would never ever have the courage to sacrifice my life in a suicide torpedo like this.
Eh, you'd be surprised how far you can be pushed/push yourself, even if you can't imagine it now.
I've never been this early for a short. I'm happy
At least you have better luck seeing this video than a human torpedo hitting its target.......
It happened all the time on US subs even late in the war.
:)
True heroes. They made an ultimate sacrifice for their motherland.
Neat