it actually shattered my brain when i watched all of freddy's, and then friday the 13th films and they devolved into pure slog, only to come across this one and feeling the immediate whiplash of it being, actually, coherent which is baffling considering what a fucking ridiculous concept is
@@RottenFilmProduction there really should be a “how did you find gold in this garbage?” Levels of investigation. Imagine sitting in on the storyboarding for this. You managed to flesh out two characters, allowed them time for their signature styles, and then allowed them to both fight to a draw. Even went so far as to make sense of that much nonsense in previous movies (Freddy’s franchise especially).
@@Darkestsheltz Freddy wasn't fueled by fear or required that people know who he is either. This movie did such a good job that it makes it all seem like it was always an aspect of these characters.
@@Darkestsheltz IIRC in Jason takes Manhattan they retconned it so he is afraid of water, so I suppose it depends on what continuity in the films you want to go with.
Or any modern movie, shows or any marvel movie or dc movie or star wars movie and show, or any show that been destroyed like rwby ( pray for a reboot and get rid of those stupid things they did with it), doctor who, and ect
You mainly have to -- in the immortal words of Corporal Hicks -- "move like you've got a purpose." Specifically? Move like your goal in life is to put your hands on the person/thing you're mad at.
I love the pure irony of every single Elm Street (except 7) film regarding adults as if they're completely oblivious to the whole dream demon thing, and yet this one is not only aware of it, but directly goes out of its way to make ABSOLUTELY sure they keep it under raps. Granted they do a sort of poor job, but still, it matters.
I think in my view the adults had a feeling there was something off but didn’t really know how to deal with it so tried isolating the suicidal teens like in 3 and trying to convince them it was just something in their heads. And Freddy Vs Jason actually has them commit to hypnocil and quarantine teenagers who were diseased by having contacted with Krueger. I think after 1 and 2 the adults would’ve probably been suspecting something was off especially in 3 with one teen going through a solid locked door and one getting thrown into a tv. I just think the adults were just being idiotic and thought the best way was to try to give therapy to teens so hopefully whatever was killing them would stop. Same mistake the adults did in FvJ. Instead of doing something more logical by teaching the kids to not pay attention to Freddy as he’s not real and as long as they aren’t afraid of him he can’t hurt them. But since the parents are so paranoid they wouldn’t come up to that conclusion. Just my opinion on the matter.
Englund was 56 at the time of filming, but gave it his ALL for this film. I know he had a double, but I’m curious as to how many stunts in the fight scenes were actually him.
FvJ really was the best of both villains. Freddy getting to be more of a evil bastard and Jason being shown 'some' sympathy in being a victim of circumstance. Both getting to shine
Kinda surprised no one pointed it out... Freddy is the ghost of a child killer. Jason is the vengeful revenant of a tormented child. The latter going full "puny God" on the former is so appropriate thematically.
A super cut of the EFAP crew imitating Freddy would be so good. It's honestly shocking that Freddy Vs Jason did a better job at explaining Freddy's powers and back story than the 7 previous films outside of the third one.
@@denkerbosu3551 he’s undead he needs no explanation. Also, He’s basically like Pennywise where fear and knowledge of his existence allows him to come back. I think the reason in first movie he was able to invade the teens dreams was because people made up a song about him as a playful scary urban thing but it unintentionally lead to a slight knowledge that was enough to allow to stalk the kids despite not knowing about who he was. Just a theory.
“This is the Freddy we are supposed to be doing, not that previous one.” That can not be said loud enough about Freddy vs Jason compared to New Nightmare.
I actually prefer the way darker (And much more clearly a PDF File) super serious remaster evil freddy, over the total absolute clown freddy, this movie was a really good mix. Really sinister evil and cruel, but playful in a way that is kind of intimidating because of how casually he takes doing terrible things to people. Thats a much better mix to me than just having him be a straight up clown with the iq of a baked potatoe, as much as i love Robert Englund. The next one is very Tonally different than this one though, and I actually kind of liked its interpretation but for way different reasons, curious to see what the fellas think of it
“Freddy’s back” burned into the guys back is one of the funniest gag. My friends and I used to watch this all the time and that part would always have us laughing like crazy.
FvJ was directed by Ronnie Yu (Who was a fan of Dream Warriors). He also made Bride of Chucky which revitalised that franchise too. I recommend seeking out The Bride With White Hair..one of his best.
1:09:02 “Both of them suck, switch ‘em out.” Which is exactly what the comics sequel did...and replaced them with ‘Evil Dead’ protagonist Ash Williams.
This movie was so huge at the time that they actually had a MMA style weigh in for Freddy and Jason in full character in Las Vegas! There’s videos of it online. It’s so great
Genuinely better than 90% of both Elm Street and Friday the 13th movies. Why? Because it understands what it is, and embraces it. It doesn't try to do lame mythology. It doesn't waste undue time on nothing human plots. It goes directly from one fun set piece/body to the next.
I like how they at went a step further by taking the time to set up a scenario for Jason and Freddy to cross paths. I kind of wished we got a little bit more of them fighting. Like the side characters setting the stage for the fight is cool and all, but we're all here to watch 2 supernatural beings kick each other's asses.
Literally the only negative I can think of is the kinda bad main characters. If they gave this movie some really great protags it would skyrocket in quality. I suppose that's why I agree with CapO where the 3rd one edges it out.
@@jimberjamber8540 Per my own headcanon? Jason is the protagonist. He's duped, betrayed, almost killed -- and ultimately gets revenge on the pervert who tried to use him as a catspaw (saving Elm Street in the process).
For anyone only familiar with Nightmare on Elm Street and are confused why Freddy already knows who Jason is with any set up. Freddy has a cameo in one of the Jason movies (Jason goes to Hell) which in the timeline is set a few weeks before Freddy Vs Jason Edit- Oh, nevermind. They brought it up
Also, they wanted to do Freddy vs Jason earlier than it was teased at the end of Friday 9. I'm pretty sure that Friday 7 was originally going to be a crossover but something went wrong so they changed the script and Jason instead fights a teen girl with telekinetic powers (often called by fans ''Carrie'' vs Jason).
I love how it didn't run away from the histories of both characters. Hypnocil, Jason's origin, the dream world rules. The unstoppable force and the immovable object. So well done.
Shame they never made a sequel with Ash Williams as they planned. It was planned that Ash was going to win, but some higher ups or something hated the idea of Freddy losing again (Robert Englund was absolutely fine with it mind you), so it never happend. However it was adapted into a comic book which at the end teased another sequel, this time throwing another character in the rumble, Leatherface from Texas Chainsaw. I never read the sequel to that so idk how it went. Seeing how fun this movie is, it's just frustrating. We could have had this fun connected universe with slasher killers fighting each other, I want to live in that universe. Also, in one of the versions of the script, at the end of this movie, during Freddy and Jason's final fight, a portal to hell would open in the lake, in which they both fall and get hooked by Pinhead. Oh man what could have been.
The FvJvA comic also did what the crew proposed at the end: it got rid of the cardboard cutout protagonists and replaced them with Bruce Campbell’s most iconic character. Mind you, I usually dislike the ‘kill protagonist of last film at start of sequel to cheaply raise the stakes,’ but I can give it a pass when it isn’t just to make way for worse characters and trample on the last installment.
We actually dodged a lot bullets with this film, since it was stuck in development and many other scripts were passed, which went in really bizarre directions. To give an idea the first official screenplay is titled Nightmare 13: Freddy meets Jason, written by Lewis Abernathy. The script is about a Freddy cult that is trying to resurrect their master by inseminating 13 year old disabled girl through gang rape (similar to Freddy's conception by a hundred maniacs), so that Freddy can be reborn through the fetus. You might think that the script is incredibly edgy because of that, but tonally it's a complete cartoonish clown show even more so than the sixth ANOES movie. Freddy steals Jim Carry's "smoking" line at one point and kills one of the characters by sucking her up his nose, where she battles boogerman in Freddy's nasal cavity before Freddy sneezes her against a wall. The final showdown between Freddy and Jason takes place in a celebrity death match scenario in the dream world, with Freddy and Jason in a boxing ring made out of entrails. Eva Braun, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini and Lee Harvey Oswald are in the audience while Ted Bundy is the announcer. And the fight has Freddy gain the advantage by swallowing maggot spinach to grow Popeye muscles before both are launched back into the waking world, where Freddy attempts to go global by launching himself through an antenna into a satellite, but gets redirected towards the sun instead. Another idea that originated in the script is intertwining Jason's and Freddy's backstories, retconning it so that Freddy was the one that drowned Jason on purpose, giving both a much more personal reason to fight. This idea would be altered in later scripts, so that Freddy was actually a cook at Crystal Lake, who molested young Jason and drowned him after he snitched about Freddy's activities, so that the audience would root for Jason to destroy Freddy with the former being the lesser evil / sympathetic anti-hero.
I always heard the “higher ups didn’t like the idea of ash beating the other two/would anger fans of the other series” which always sorta baffles me because, Freddy and Jason have continuously been defeated by teenage girls by each movies end, but them being defeated by a chainsaw armed, shotgun wielding funny man Bruce Campbell would be insulting? To me that sounds like a step up in terms of what killed them
I remember a criticism from James Rolfe(AVGN) about how the girl getting her nose slashed then waking up fine is a flaw when the point is he’s gotten weaker
Exactly like Pennywise he needs fear in order to hurt individuals. He’s become weak because nobody fears him anymore because he’s been defeated many times as well as him being removed from historical records to not let anyone even know his name. Because people on the streets singing songs about the notorious springwood slasher resulted in him being able to invade the teens dreams in the first movie.
@@ParkerCS2 The biggest flaw that I'm suprised they didn't bring up is that the kids didn't know who he was yet he was still killing them and the parents had just forgotten about him. So fear giving him power wasn't a factor at all there. But I guess we have thrown continuity out the window several times over by this point.
@@aroyals339 well fear is a large factor because he couldn’t kill right away because he wasn’t strength enough to kill that one guy nor was able to pull nose off black chick. But yes, they definitely aren’t really worried about continuity. I’m just going off this film by itself. Freddy is like a mix between IT and Candyman where recognition is what fuels him.
Idk if id call this basic writing. This type of film fails 95% of the time. Generally because basic writing techniques get avoided for higher concepts or cash grabs that just dont won't out
Yeeees! The boringness of the second with some psychotherapy hinted at, the 3d in the third, the dance and corkscrew in 4, the sudden other killer in 5 and overall trashiness, the triumphant old school corniness of 6, the sudden psychic girl in 7, etc.
Idk, I think it would be pretty boring. They basically kill the gore factor half way thru the series which is really stupid in the Horror genre plus Jason has no personality. First 2 were good but the rest were dull except for Jason X, imo they would be far better off doing Hellraiser. That series has plenty of problems but at least it's not boring.
I would be way more in favour of a Chucky arc. There are 8 movies, and they get pretty wild at times Child's Play Child's Play 2 Child's Play 3 Bride of Chucky Seed of Chucky Curse of Chucky Cult of Chucky Child's Play (2019 Reboot)
And in the battle for the best Nightmare on Elm street movie the two finalist are Dream Warriors and … Freddy vs Jason. No seriously, Freddy vs Jason is a contender for being the best Nightmare on Elm street movie. Who would have thought…
Im really happy you guys liked this one, because i loves the premise, and i loved how they broke the fights up into 2 stages, one where its freddy's advantage entirely, and one where its Jason, and i like that they kept him being post Jason 5 Uber Jason. I loved that the town had a strategy to deal with Freddy, I love that it worked! The characters aren't all fucking idiots, and it was a giant funny blood bath, i dont know what more you could want from a monster match up. Super fun movie
I do love the comfusion Jason displays when Freddy just regrows his arms, like you can't see the dude's face and simply by body language he's like "what the fuck just happened"
I'm actually glad that despite Jason not being super deep or talkative they still showed that when he is forced into the nightmare realm the water actually bothers him unlike when he's in the real world and can't feel anything but in the dream he can. So when he feels it again he is brought back to when he drowned. They didn't waste tons of time making us feel bad for him but after Freddy started to taunt him and calling him an ugly bitch we actually wanted him to beat his ass. Perfectly in character for both as far as their backstories go.
Freddy Vs. Jason is one of those movies that just emits that "Early 2000s" film vibes. It's fully aware of what it is, revels in it, and has a great time in the process. Pure, solid camp in the best way possible.
As it should be. Bottom line is Freddy outside the dreamscape was already way too OP in this film. He should never stand a chance against Jason in the real world. He should just be a man with a pointy glove.
@@jeggsonvohees2201 No, he wasn’t. That’s the problem. Jason beat him like the bastard step child he is and he kept coming. Jason would have snapped him like a twig, or any of the ways he killed every one of his victims, had this been done right.
1:03:45 I'm surprised no one mentioned Freddy Sauron-ing Jason's machete out of his hand in the final battle. Seeing as this was made post LOTR, I'd love it if someone at New Line asked for a reference and this is what the director went with 😂😂
9:43 the answer is actually in Jason X. The way Jason's revival scene is shot implies that Jason can *sense* when teens orgasim in his immediate area. That's how's he's woken up in that movie. Weird as shit but that movie is fun as hell. Alternatively Jason could just be following his one mother's sense of 'punishment' where Pamela believed every counselor at Crystal Lake were directly responsible for Jason's supposed drowning. Even when the camp opened 20 years after, she still proclaimed that the current counselors in Part 1 were directly responsible for Jason's death 20 years ago. So assumedly Jason punishes everyone in Crystal Lake with a similar mindset. Or it's a slasher made in the 80s and I'm putting WAY too much thought into this
Because it finally figured out what both movies were. Freddy was *always* more fun than scary. Jason was *always* just a method to off teens in creative ways. So when they made this movie? They just embraced both and ran with it.
I've never been particularly into horror movies, but I remember checking the website and getting hyped up for this one just based on the name and the premise. This, of course, being back at a time when one could be hopeful that Hollywood might actually give the audience what it asked for. This movie might spend a little too much time with the characters we don't really care about, but it's hard to argue that it doesn’t deliver on basically everything you would expect from the title. And looking back, it is genuinely pretty impressive how they managed to merge and make sense of the lore of both franchises.
I loved Freddy vs Jason as a kid, it has such a nostalgic 2000s era vibe. Plus it's a pretty plot in terms of giving Freddy and Jason a reason to fight
Also it’s practically the best Nightmare film as it has the best set up of how he works and also gives a recap to anyone not familiar with him and his backstory. Also they utilize the fact that the Dream world isn’t just a mental thing but is also a full on dimension as someone who sleeps next to someone else can enter their dreams if they are good lucid dreamers. Because imo it’s kinda boring requiring an individual with the power to link dreams together in order for characters to cross paths in dreams. Just have the dream world be a full on reflection of the real world like the Upside down is in stranger things. In my head before I saw the movies I just assumed the teens would be running into each other during nighttime but due to believing it was only fake they don’t really think too much into it until Freddy starts killing and also kidnaps some teens to torment longer so require the teens to band together to save their captured friends. In Nightmare 1 when Nancy goes to sleep she casually runs to the Dream version of the police station so it sorta implies it’s a reflection dimension and not just in your brain. Also the reason Johnny Depp shows up for a second is probably because someone who sleep talks could ask someone question if they are lucid enough and him showing up visualizes him replying in the real world.
Originally when Freddy kicked Jason in the groin he was supposed to make fun of him for not having balls. I think the balls of steel works way better.❤
There is a Michael Miyers Vs Jason fan film on RUclips. They just spend the entire time staring at each other from each side of the sidewalk, while scary music plays on the bavkground.
This is infinitely better than New Nightmare and most of the other Elm Street movies. I think this is a close second behind Dream Warriors. Just like that movie they actually work together to stop Freddy, by using Jason. Most of all it was entertaining, which at the very least all movies should be. No wonder it made so much money, just give the fans what they want.
It's wild how Wes Craven looked at this film and said it sucked due to "lacking imagination" and "being all style and no substance..." when A New Nightmare had no style and no substance. Like. I get it. A New Nightmare was basically the prototype for Scream. But when Freddy in this film balances the humor and the horror better than Wes ever managed? It just comes across as him being a bitter bitch.
Fun Fact: There was a comic sequel. It was in fact Freddy vs Jason vs Ash. As in from evil dead. Wherein iirc, Jason is confirmed a type of super deadite and freddy's sperm demons were also from the necronomicon, and the two survivors from this are immediately killed off.
Yeah, the actually fill in the plot hole between the first and second movie, by having Pamela Vorhees resurrect Jason with the Necronomicon. I'm not sure I read the comics, maybe it was in a deleted scene. But I do read a lot of horror comics, so maybe I did read them.
I love how the panel thinks Freddy vs Jason, the love letter mash up people are still happy about to this day is the "clown one" after having had to watch up to this point.
According to AVGN there were rumors that they wanted to end the movie with both Freddy & Jason appearing in hell in front of Pinhead (Hellraiser) and him asking: "Gentlemen, what seems to be the problem?" But apparently they couldn't get the rights for Pinhead.
This movie is not scary but it is hilarious. I predict that the Jason vs Freddy fight is going to have the gang rolling. Also, it has the best thing in God's Creation: Boobs.
@@jeggsonvohees2201 It was literally advertised like one too. You'd have advertisments with an announcer hyping them up, or them having a sit down where they trash talk each other like it's a lead up to a match, or big 'Who would win?' polls; I think there was even an actual appearance in a wrestling ring.
Now we need a "Freddy and Jason" sequel. Robert Englund can make horrible puns with Kane Hodder just obliterating camp councilors, played like a buddy cop movie.
I had forgotten that number 3 was actually pretty good, but I remember unironically loving Freddy vs Jason. It's nice to get confirmation that it is genuinely pretty good.
I think this is the most fun one. The characters all suck, but the fights with Freddy and Jason are fun. Also this movie so feels like it's from 2003. I feel like something like this wouldn't be made today.
I liked the blonde guy that escaped from the quarantine. He was reaourceful, and supportive of his friend. He would've lived if he hadn't escaped to help him, in fact.
1:13:50 "There's a lot I don't like about AvP" a rare sight indeed, Mauler not singing the praises of one of his favourite directors, Paul W. S. Anderson. Must have taken a lot of guts to say this. lol
I remember my friends dad rented this on dvd for us when we had a sleepover back in the day, we were about 9 or 10 years old and huge horror fans. We absolutely loved this movie but I haven't seen it in years and watching it again now it's unironically way better than any movie called Freddy Vs Jason has any right to be. I enjoy it much more than any of the actual Elm Street or Friday movies even though I do like some of them.
Especially coming off the Friday the 13th series. They talk about it being better than the Elm St. movies before it which is true but it is an even bigger leap ahead of the later Friday movies which are boring as hell.
This film was one of my guilty pleasures. I loved the idea movies were doing by just having a couple horror icons beat the shit out each other. Kind of like Kaiju battles for horror.
@@remylebeau34 I know what you're talking about, but I can't remember much from when I watched it. I might give it another watch now that you mentioned it.
I watched this movie so long ago that I've forgotten almost everything about it, but I remember that it somehow managed to be more watchable than the majority of Nightmare on Elm Street movies... Which is disturbing in a way.
I watched this in theaters on opening day and the place went ballistic when Freddy winked at the end. Still some of the most fun I’ve ever had at the cinema
Mauler in this is exactly like me when I'm watching something with my girlfriend. A man dying of thirst being presented with a bottle of water. Nothibg fancy, just the bare necessities of what you need. But oh so beautiful after years of drinking sand.
Part 3 is still my favorite but this movie was awesome. Freddy / Robert Englund just chewing up the scenery. Great breakdown guys, I miss those early 2000's movies that didn't give a shit about being politically correct.
Apparently, Pinhead was supposed to show up in some of the drafts for this movie, meaning this was aomost a Hellraiser movie as well. Speaking of, is that the next arc?
No he can't. There's not real reason he does that other than horror movie purposes and I guess just being really good at stalking/hunting/tracking. The remake tries to give him a reason, like the underground tunnel system which makes a little more sense, but he is a walking corpse from 6 and on. So maybe there is SOME supernatural reason. Unique cosmic power cryptid like Freddy? But "Canonically" you're just not suppose to think about it and watch the teens get killed is literally the real reason he does that lol. Just a scary: "AAAAH! HE'S HERE!" moment for the characters.
It's okay story if not connected to Halloween. Felt more like it should've been a decent B-movie horror plot. Just ruins the character of Myers by blaming the masks for the killing. Ruins Myers solos boogeyman feel. He's just suppose to be pure evil with not emotion behind his eyes, why his mask fits him. Pale, emotionless and you NEVER see his eye, just darkness.
Its easier for her when they keep up with the movie. She's the only one I think that was familiar with the franchise, and this is a series where so much of the commentary was spent asking questions that were already answered to the point I have to wonder what could she say if she was that out of step with them.
Petition to call her Dark Meat from now on. I got the same vibe with Fringy, there were 2 eps where he doesn't speak 'till like half an hour in and I'm like "oh sh**, I totally forgot about him".
Me and my best friends watch this movie all the time and my friend referred to freddy as a chuckle fuck and it makes me laugh every time i think about freddy
Also, if you go by the Population sign in Freddy's Dead, and all canon kills of the Robert Englund Freddy from all movies, and the TV show, Freddy's kill count is 15,628 Jason's is 26k plus if the Solaris space station in Jason X counts, if not, Jason's kill count is massively inflated with kills attributed to him that werent his in part 1 and part 5
I remember seeing this in theaters with my friends when it came out. It was actually an event, and we went sort of ironically and ended up really liking it, despite some of the cringe and cheese. it was creative, delivered on the premise, and had way more writing (however basic) plot wise than most of the other entries.
Fun fact: The reason Jason X comes out before Freddy vs. Jason even though the movie before it set it up was because they were in talks for Sam Raimi to direct, but he wanted it to be Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash (from Evil Dead). Wes Craven didn't want that (I'm guessing cause he was so high on his own farts after New Nightmare), so they scrapped it after the script had been made and went with the movie we have. However, the script for FvJvA was eventually adapted into a comic of the same name. It's actually really fun and I wish it had been made instead of this one.
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I want to hear Maulers 8 hour documentary on how the writing in Freddy Vs Jason is unironically way better than modern writing in films.
it actually shattered my brain when i watched all of freddy's, and then friday the 13th films and they devolved into pure slog, only to come across this one and feeling the immediate whiplash of it being, actually, coherent
which is baffling considering what a fucking ridiculous concept is
@@RottenFilmProduction there really should be a “how did you find gold in this garbage?” Levels of investigation. Imagine sitting in on the storyboarding for this.
You managed to flesh out two characters, allowed them time for their signature styles, and then allowed them to both fight to a draw.
Even went so far as to make sense of that much nonsense in previous movies (Freddy’s franchise especially).
@@fernandocast435
Hey Friday part 4 and 6 are good
@@JohnGoetzGaming
I thought there were only 3 Friday movies.
@@deeta000
Nah this was when Jason kills ice cube
Unironically this film actually respects both the characters and lore more than modern films do to thier legacy characters.
waht do you talking about. galadriel never sayd this to voldemord
Jason is NOT scared of water but other than that its not bad
@@Darkestsheltz Freddy wasn't fueled by fear or required that people know who he is either. This movie did such a good job that it makes it all seem like it was always an aspect of these characters.
Two decades and billions of dollars to give us WORSE quality.
@@Darkestsheltz IIRC in Jason takes Manhattan they retconned it so he is afraid of water, so I suppose it depends on what continuity in the films you want to go with.
I love how Mauler makes a joke about Jason stealing the XP and then it immediately happens.
Proof you can write a conceptually ridiculous movie that isn't stupid
When FvJ is unironically better written than BvS 😂
Or any modern movie, shows or any marvel movie or dc movie or star wars movie and show, or any show that been destroyed like rwby ( pray for a reboot and get rid of those stupid things they did with it), doctor who, and ect
Literally said the same exact thing!! 😂😂. I went to comment and saw this as the highlighted comment!
Freddy and Jason have more reason to fight than Batman and Superman.
@heikira438 a million times yes.
I was thinking the exact same thing 🤣🤣
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Freddy: "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!"
Jason: *hasn't spoken this entire time*
"I'm gonna... kill... MARTHA!"
Michael: 😶
Jason: 😶
Jason shows what good acting can get across just by body language. When Jason wakes up at the end, he is PISSED.
You mainly have to -- in the immortal words of Corporal Hicks -- "move like you've got a purpose."
Specifically? Move like your goal in life is to put your hands on the person/thing you're mad at.
if amazon made this his mask would have been off frame one.
No we need Jason to take all his clothes off and sleep with the protagonist so the audience knows how he feels!
@@Astroman10 Plz we don't need Jason Cheeks
We don't play Halo, Master Chief needs his helmet off to emote
Freddy died by fire 🔥
Jason died by water 💦
Pennywise died by bullying 😔
@@realmofloredor Michael died by electricity ⚡️
@@HectorLopez0217 lol
William Afton died from springs.
Who died by air?
Who died from rocks?
Like a little clown boy.
I love the pure irony of every single Elm Street (except 7) film regarding adults as if they're completely oblivious to the whole dream demon thing, and yet this one is not only aware of it, but directly goes out of its way to make ABSOLUTELY sure they keep it under raps. Granted they do a sort of poor job, but still, it matters.
I think in my view the adults had a feeling there was something off but didn’t really know how to deal with it so tried isolating the suicidal teens like in 3 and trying to convince them it was just something in their heads. And Freddy Vs Jason actually has them commit to hypnocil and quarantine teenagers who were diseased by having contacted with Krueger. I think after 1 and 2 the adults would’ve probably been suspecting something was off especially in 3 with one teen going through a solid locked door and one getting thrown into a tv. I just think the adults were just being idiotic and thought the best way was to try to give therapy to teens so hopefully whatever was killing them would stop. Same mistake the adults did in FvJ. Instead of doing something more logical by teaching the kids to not pay attention to Freddy as he’s not real and as long as they aren’t afraid of him he can’t hurt them. But since the parents are so paranoid they wouldn’t come up to that conclusion. Just my opinion on the matter.
the whole town is aware of and deranged by freddy in freddys dead. though that whole movie is like a fever dream loony tunes so maybe it doesnt count
Englund was 56 at the time of filming, but gave it his ALL for this film.
I know he had a double, but I’m curious as to how many stunts in the fight scenes were actually him.
... Do you mean Englund?
@@blackdragoncyrus he mean British
@@blackdragoncyrus I fixed it.
Imagine being this dramstic about a misspell@blackdragoncyrus
"......."
He did all his own water stunts
FvJ really was the best of both villains. Freddy getting to be more of a evil bastard and Jason being shown 'some' sympathy in being a victim of circumstance. Both getting to shine
Kinda surprised no one pointed it out...
Freddy is the ghost of a child killer.
Jason is the vengeful revenant of a tormented child.
The latter going full "puny God" on the former is so appropriate thematically.
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Jason’s mute introverted ass was cooking his own “Try picking on me now” speech in his head during that fight.
I love that we heard more from J Longbone in this one. She always cracks me up.
A super cut of the EFAP crew imitating Freddy would be so good.
It's honestly shocking that Freddy Vs Jason did a better job at explaining Freddy's powers and back story than the 7 previous films outside of the third one.
He kills u in his dreams... He's a dream monster since the first, what else do you need know?
Show vs. tell writ large.
@@AkumetsuLord ok when can he hurt you in your sleep, and it appears in reality? When can he come back from the death?
@@denkerbosu3551 he’s undead he needs no explanation. Also, He’s basically like Pennywise where fear and knowledge of his existence allows him to come back. I think the reason in first movie he was able to invade the teens dreams was because people made up a song about him as a playful scary urban thing but it unintentionally lead to a slight knowledge that was enough to allow to stalk the kids despite not knowing about who he was. Just a theory.
@@PhillipOnTakos the whole super cut: bitch, bitch, bitch, BITCH!, welcome to prime time, bitch!
how much of a mind fuck is it that this movie is unironically better written than most modern movies?
They where at least trying back then
I don't wanna be 'that guy' but I think we can largely blame that on DEI.
“This is the Freddy we are supposed to be doing, not that previous one.”
That can not be said loud enough about Freddy vs Jason compared to New Nightmare.
New Nightmare just sucks.
I actually prefer the way darker (And much more clearly a PDF File) super serious remaster evil freddy, over the total absolute clown freddy, this movie was a really good mix. Really sinister evil and cruel, but playful in a way that is kind of intimidating because of how casually he takes doing terrible things to people. Thats a much better mix to me than just having him be a straight up clown with the iq of a baked potatoe, as much as i love Robert Englund.
The next one is very Tonally different than this one though, and I actually kind of liked its interpretation but for way different reasons, curious to see what the fellas think of it
@@Grassroots_Hegemon as long as they don’t go into New Nightmares territory, they shouldn’t be too harsh on it…
Because New Nightmare isn't a Freddy movie
That Freddy in the locker bit just has me dying. "Is he out there??"
this may well overtake Malignant for my favorite EFAP Movies to re-watch
This one is definitely top 5
“Freddy’s back” burned into the guys back is one of the funniest gag. My friends and I used to watch this all the time and that part would always have us laughing like crazy.
"mMmMmMm... DaRk MeAt!"
No! It's "Mmmm, how sweet; dark meat."....arguably even more wince inducing 😂😂😂
makes it so good is you would never hear a line like that in modern writing
FvJ was directed by Ronnie Yu (Who was a fan of Dream Warriors). He also made Bride of Chucky which revitalised that franchise too. I recommend seeking out The Bride With White Hair..one of his best.
1:09:02 “Both of them suck, switch ‘em out.”
Which is exactly what the comics sequel did...and replaced them with ‘Evil Dead’ protagonist Ash Williams.
Hail to the king
Groovy!
“Good, bad, I’m the one with the gun.”
This movie was so huge at the time that they actually had a MMA style weigh in for Freddy and Jason in full character in Las Vegas! There’s videos of it online. It’s so great
I genuinely enjoyed this watch together. The movie understood both characters well and the film knew overall what it was and ran with it.
Genuinely better than 90% of both Elm Street and Friday the 13th movies.
Why? Because it understands what it is, and embraces it. It doesn't try to do lame mythology. It doesn't waste undue time on nothing human plots. It goes directly from one fun set piece/body to the next.
I agree
I like how they at went a step further by taking the time to set up a scenario for Jason and Freddy to cross paths. I kind of wished we got a little bit more of them fighting. Like the side characters setting the stage for the fight is cool and all, but we're all here to watch 2 supernatural beings kick each other's asses.
Literally the only negative I can think of is the kinda bad main characters. If they gave this movie some really great protags it would skyrocket in quality. I suppose that's why I agree with CapO where the 3rd one edges it out.
@@jimberjamber8540
Per my own headcanon? Jason is the protagonist.
He's duped, betrayed, almost killed -- and ultimately gets revenge on the pervert who tried to use him as a catspaw (saving Elm Street in the process).
Yes, but Friday the 13th Part 7 I'd say is on par. My fav of that series. Has a fight with a Carrie wannabe that's fun.
*Freddy gets cancelled for calling a black chick “dark meat” but not for murdering 50+ white children... Strangely accurate.*
It was just a mostly peaceful killing spree.
@@darwinxavier3516 Summer of loving death.
Maybe it’s because that particular dark meat was a former member of Destiny’s Child. No one steps on Queen B’s minions 😂
1:07:14 the woke mob canceling Freddy for racism instead of killing children is on brand tbh
Just wait until the reboot
For anyone only familiar with Nightmare on Elm Street and are confused why Freddy already knows who Jason is with any set up. Freddy has a cameo in one of the Jason movies (Jason goes to Hell) which in the timeline is set a few weeks before Freddy Vs Jason
Edit- Oh, nevermind. They brought it up
oh no, i see a future efap
oh yes Jason goes to hell god that movie is strange
@@Cyberleader672 Iirc it was a shot of Jason’s mask on the ground then Freddy’s knife hand pulls it under
Also, they wanted to do Freddy vs Jason earlier than it was teased at the end of Friday 9. I'm pretty sure that Friday 7 was originally going to be a crossover but something went wrong so they changed the script and Jason instead fights a teen girl with telekinetic powers (often called by fans ''Carrie'' vs Jason).
I love how it didn't run away from the histories of both characters. Hypnocil, Jason's origin, the dream world rules. The unstoppable force and the immovable object. So well done.
Shame they never made a sequel with Ash Williams as they planned. It was planned that Ash was going to win, but some higher ups or something hated the idea of Freddy losing again (Robert Englund was absolutely fine with it mind you), so it never happend. However it was adapted into a comic book which at the end teased another sequel, this time throwing another character in the rumble, Leatherface from Texas Chainsaw. I never read the sequel to that so idk how it went.
Seeing how fun this movie is, it's just frustrating. We could have had this fun connected universe with slasher killers fighting each other, I want to live in that universe.
Also, in one of the versions of the script, at the end of this movie, during Freddy and Jason's final fight, a portal to hell would open in the lake, in which they both fall and get hooked by Pinhead. Oh man what could have been.
The FvJvA comic also did what the crew proposed at the end: it got rid of the cardboard cutout protagonists and replaced them with Bruce Campbell’s most iconic character.
Mind you, I usually dislike the ‘kill protagonist of last film at start of sequel to cheaply raise the stakes,’ but I can give it a pass when it isn’t just to make way for worse characters and trample on the last installment.
Chucky vs. Leprechaun could have been a reality.
We actually dodged a lot bullets with this film, since it was stuck in development and many other scripts were passed, which went in really bizarre directions. To give an idea the first official screenplay is titled Nightmare 13: Freddy meets Jason, written by Lewis Abernathy.
The script is about a Freddy cult that is trying to resurrect their master by inseminating 13 year old disabled girl through gang rape (similar to Freddy's conception by a hundred maniacs), so that Freddy can be reborn through the fetus. You might think that the script is incredibly edgy because of that, but tonally it's a complete cartoonish clown show even more so than the sixth ANOES movie. Freddy steals Jim Carry's "smoking" line at one point and kills one of the characters by sucking her up his nose, where she battles boogerman in Freddy's nasal cavity before Freddy sneezes her against a wall.
The final showdown between Freddy and Jason takes place in a celebrity death match scenario in the dream world, with Freddy and Jason in a boxing ring made out of entrails. Eva Braun, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini and Lee Harvey Oswald are in the audience while Ted Bundy is the announcer. And the fight has Freddy gain the advantage by swallowing maggot spinach to grow Popeye muscles before both are launched back into the waking world, where Freddy attempts to go global by launching himself through an antenna into a satellite, but gets redirected towards the sun instead.
Another idea that originated in the script is intertwining Jason's and Freddy's backstories, retconning it so that Freddy was the one that drowned Jason on purpose, giving both a much more personal reason to fight. This idea would be altered in later scripts, so that Freddy was actually a cook at Crystal Lake, who molested young Jason and drowned him after he snitched about Freddy's activities, so that the audience would root for Jason to destroy Freddy with the former being the lesser evil / sympathetic anti-hero.
I always heard the “higher ups didn’t like the idea of ash beating the other two/would anger fans of the other series” which always sorta baffles me because, Freddy and Jason have continuously been defeated by teenage girls by each movies end, but them being defeated by a chainsaw armed, shotgun wielding funny man Bruce Campbell would be insulting? To me that sounds like a step up in terms of what killed them
I remember a criticism from James Rolfe(AVGN) about how the girl getting her nose slashed then waking up fine is a flaw when the point is he’s gotten weaker
Exactly like Pennywise he needs fear in order to hurt individuals. He’s become weak because nobody fears him anymore because he’s been defeated many times as well as him being removed from historical records to not let anyone even know his name. Because people on the streets singing songs about the notorious springwood slasher resulted in him being able to invade the teens dreams in the first movie.
@@ParkerCS2 The biggest flaw that I'm suprised they didn't bring up is that the kids didn't know who he was yet he was still killing them and the parents had just forgotten about him. So fear giving him power wasn't a factor at all there.
But I guess we have thrown continuity out the window several times over by this point.
@@aroyals339 well fear is a large factor because he couldn’t kill right away because he wasn’t strength enough to kill that one guy nor was able to pull nose off black chick. But yes, they definitely aren’t really worried about continuity. I’m just going off this film by itself. Freddy is like a mix between IT and Candyman where recognition is what fuels him.
Lmao im just waiting on the Unbridled Praise of Freddy V Jason 🤣
Its funny how efap treats basic writing in a freddy movies as a major historic breakthrough
So very basic… but then you have to compare yourself to the likes of New Nightmare, 4, and 5.
The bar gets REALLY low at that point.
too many movies can't even do the basics, so many that something that's simple but works starts looking like a major achievement.
Idk if id call this basic writing. This type of film fails 95% of the time. Generally because basic writing techniques get avoided for higher concepts or cash grabs that just dont won't out
Freddy films historically lacked basic writing elements like setups for payoffs or explanations for circumstances.
It is a rare thing these days. This movie was back when you actually had to be decent at writing.
You guys have to do a friday The thirteenth arc, what are you kidding
Yeeees! The boringness of the second with some psychotherapy hinted at, the 3d in the third, the dance and corkscrew in 4, the sudden other killer in 5 and overall trashiness, the triumphant old school corniness of 6, the sudden psychic girl in 7, etc.
Idk, I think it would be pretty boring. They basically kill the gore factor half way thru the series which is really stupid in the Horror genre plus Jason has no personality.
First 2 were good but the rest were dull except for Jason X, imo they would be far better off doing Hellraiser. That series has plenty of problems but at least it's not boring.
I would be way more in favour of a Chucky arc. There are 8 movies, and they get pretty wild at times
Child's Play
Child's Play 2
Child's Play 3
Bride of Chucky
Seed of Chucky
Curse of Chucky
Cult of Chucky
Child's Play (2019 Reboot)
@aroyals339 whaaaat!? 4 and 6 are the best ones and way better than 2 imo
By like a fuckin landslide too lmao 4 has some great kills and 6 is pure goof @@JohnGoetzGaming
And in the battle for the best Nightmare on Elm street movie the two finalist are Dream Warriors and … Freddy vs Jason.
No seriously, Freddy vs Jason is a contender for being the best Nightmare on Elm street movie. Who would have thought…
The people who did say that definitely didnt think
Im really happy you guys liked this one, because i loves the premise, and i loved how they broke the fights up into 2 stages, one where its freddy's advantage entirely, and one where its Jason, and i like that they kept him being post Jason 5 Uber Jason. I loved that the town had a strategy to deal with Freddy, I love that it worked! The characters aren't all fucking idiots, and it was a giant funny blood bath, i dont know what more you could want from a monster match up. Super fun movie
I do love the comfusion Jason displays when Freddy just regrows his arms, like you can't see the dude's face and simply by body language he's like "what the fuck just happened"
I'm actually glad that despite Jason not being super deep or talkative they still showed that when he is forced into the nightmare realm the water actually bothers him unlike when he's in the real world and can't feel anything but in the dream he can. So when he feels it again he is brought back to when he drowned.
They didn't waste tons of time making us feel bad for him but after Freddy started to taunt him and calling him an ugly bitch we actually wanted him to beat his ass. Perfectly in character for both as far as their backstories go.
Freddy Vs. Jason is one of those movies that just emits that "Early 2000s" film vibes.
It's fully aware of what it is, revels in it, and has a great time in the process. Pure, solid camp in the best way possible.
The director of FVJ is on record saying he considers Jason the winner.
Yeah I always took it that way. The fact that Freddy's head wakes up gives me the vibe of "Jason won the battle but not the war."
@@aroyals339I always gave Jason the win because he was the last to die.
As it should be. Bottom line is Freddy outside the dreamscape was already way too OP in this film. He should never stand a chance against Jason in the real world. He should just be a man with a pointy glove.
@@SumDumGy That's what he was. He was only able to damage Jason so heavily because of the construction equipment.
@@jeggsonvohees2201 No, he wasn’t. That’s the problem. Jason beat him like the bastard step child he is and he kept coming. Jason would have snapped him like a twig, or any of the ways he killed every one of his victims, had this been done right.
1:03:45 I'm surprised no one mentioned Freddy Sauron-ing Jason's machete out of his hand in the final battle. Seeing as this was made post LOTR, I'd love it if someone at New Line asked for a reference and this is what the director went with 😂😂
You canae say 'we are not going to do a Friday the 13th arch." There are Halloweens yet to come ^.-.^
Hopefully they do Hellraiser first, that series is all over the place I think they'd have a lot of fun with it overall.
Mauler says a lot of things. He also said he wouldnt do an efap on lord of ring gollum. Theres hope
i love how they basically just told the stoner to do his best jay impression lol
9:43 the answer is actually in Jason X. The way Jason's revival scene is shot implies that Jason can *sense* when teens orgasim in his immediate area. That's how's he's woken up in that movie. Weird as shit but that movie is fun as hell.
Alternatively Jason could just be following his one mother's sense of 'punishment' where Pamela believed every counselor at Crystal Lake were directly responsible for Jason's supposed drowning. Even when the camp opened 20 years after, she still proclaimed that the current counselors in Part 1 were directly responsible for Jason's death 20 years ago. So assumedly Jason punishes everyone in Crystal Lake with a similar mindset.
Or it's a slasher made in the 80s and I'm putting WAY too much thought into this
I LOVE Jason X. It's the one I watch the most, with freddy vs. jason second.
In Freddy vs Jason vs Ash, Jason's mom used the Necronomicon to bring Jason back. Making Jason a deadite.
this is unironically one of the best because its not boring
Absolutely.
Because it finally figured out what both movies were. Freddy was *always* more fun than scary. Jason was *always* just a method to off teens in creative ways.
So when they made this movie? They just embraced both and ran with it.
How they managed to pull this level of movie out of TWO franchises…
Kudos to them.
Did you watch it three times though?
Unironically lost count of how many times I watched it.
Enough times to wear out the color gradient on the DVD.
(However many that is.)
(in Trump's voice)
"I'd rather have Big Farma win than Freddy!"
Actually got a laugh out of me, well played
1:08:33 hearing Mauler say "This is refined clownery" with that particular imagery with such perfect timing sent me to a higher plane of existence.
Can you believe Ash Williams and Pinhead were supposed to be in this?
I remember reading the comic Freddy vs Jason vs Evil Dead it was sick
That would've made the title too long 😂
@@HectorLopez0217 I need to check those out. Those seem real fun
@@silverscorpio24 true. And expensive
“Hail to the king, bitch”
Mauler: A copycat can do what the real Jason does.
You mean like surviving being set on fire?
Holy crap this movie is better than most modern films. This has a more cohesive story than Batman Vs Superman.
I've never been particularly into horror movies, but I remember checking the website and getting hyped up for this one just based on the name and the premise. This, of course, being back at a time when one could be hopeful that Hollywood might actually give the audience what it asked for.
This movie might spend a little too much time with the characters we don't really care about, but it's hard to argue that it doesn’t deliver on basically everything you would expect from the title. And looking back, it is genuinely pretty impressive how they managed to merge and make sense of the lore of both franchises.
I loved Freddy vs Jason as a kid, it has such a nostalgic 2000s era vibe. Plus it's a pretty plot in terms of giving Freddy and Jason a reason to fight
Also it’s practically the best Nightmare film as it has the best set up of how he works and also gives a recap to anyone not familiar with him and his backstory. Also they utilize the fact that the Dream world isn’t just a mental thing but is also a full on dimension as someone who sleeps next to someone else can enter their dreams if they are good lucid dreamers. Because imo it’s kinda boring requiring an individual with the power to link dreams together in order for characters to cross paths in dreams. Just have the dream world be a full on reflection of the real world like the Upside down is in stranger things. In my head before I saw the movies I just assumed the teens would be running into each other during nighttime but due to believing it was only fake they don’t really think too much into it until Freddy starts killing and also kidnaps some teens to torment longer so require the teens to band together to save their captured friends. In Nightmare 1 when Nancy goes to sleep she casually runs to the Dream version of the police station so it sorta implies it’s a reflection dimension and not just in your brain. Also the reason Johnny Depp shows up for a second is probably because someone who sleep talks could ask someone question if they are lucid enough and him showing up visualizes him replying in the real world.
No such thing as 2000's nostalgia. Nothing to be nostalgic about that shit decade. You grew up in a terrible era, and that's too bad. 🤷
@@garrettokelly5357hey, still better than the 2010s or 2020s.
@@garrettokelly5357 I guess you don't know what nostalgia means.
@@theraven268 it's like being nostalgic for the great depression and all the bread lines you frequented.
Originally when Freddy kicked Jason in the groin he was supposed to make fun of him for not having balls. I think the balls of steel works way better.❤
Is this why balls of steel power-up in The Binding of Isaac?
@sparkypack Has to be.
"Bawls of steel, what is that? Hello?"
There is a Michael Miyers Vs Jason fan film on RUclips. They just spend the entire time staring at each other from each side of the sidewalk, while scary music plays on the bavkground.
This is infinitely better than New Nightmare and most of the other Elm Street movies.
I think this is a close second behind Dream Warriors. Just like that movie they actually work together to stop Freddy, by using Jason. Most of all it was entertaining, which at the very least all movies should be.
No wonder it made so much money, just give the fans what they want.
It's wild how Wes Craven looked at this film and said it sucked due to "lacking imagination" and "being all style and no substance..." when A New Nightmare had no style and no substance.
Like. I get it. A New Nightmare was basically the prototype for Scream. But when Freddy in this film balances the humor and the horror better than Wes ever managed? It just comes across as him being a bitter bitch.
1:05:30 Actually they did, it was just in comic book form.... and featured Ash Williams!
Fun Fact: There was a comic sequel. It was in fact Freddy vs Jason vs Ash. As in from evil dead. Wherein iirc, Jason is confirmed a type of super deadite and freddy's sperm demons were also from the necronomicon, and the two survivors from this are immediately killed off.
Yeah, the actually fill in the plot hole between the first and second movie, by having Pamela Vorhees resurrect Jason with the Necronomicon. I'm not sure I read the comics, maybe it was in a deleted scene. But I do read a lot of horror comics, so maybe I did read them.
how is this better than DC MCU movies , HOWWW
I love how the panel thinks Freddy vs Jason, the love letter mash up people are still happy about to this day is the "clown one" after having had to watch up to this point.
According to AVGN there were rumors that they wanted to end the movie with both Freddy & Jason appearing in hell in front of Pinhead (Hellraiser) and him asking: "Gentlemen, what seems to be the problem?" But apparently they couldn't get the rights for Pinhead.
Damn it, it's always rights issues with these idiotic studio heads. The IP owners of Hellraiser could have made a nice little chunk of money.
@@thepsychomagus Yep, as well as some free advertising / hype for their next movie.
This movie is not scary but it is hilarious. I predict that the Jason vs Freddy fight is going to have the gang rolling.
Also, it has the best thing in God's Creation: Boobs.
It's like watching a wrestling match, it's awesome!
@@jeggsonvohees2201 It was literally advertised like one too. You'd have advertisments with an announcer hyping them up, or them having a sit down where they trash talk each other like it's a lead up to a match, or big 'Who would win?' polls; I think there was even an actual appearance in a wrestling ring.
Now we need a "Freddy and Jason" sequel. Robert Englund can make horrible puns with Kane Hodder just obliterating camp councilors, played like a buddy cop movie.
I can't believe I'm saying this but after this series this movie is the best Freddy has ever been
I had forgotten that number 3 was actually pretty good, but I remember unironically loving Freddy vs Jason. It's nice to get confirmation that it is genuinely pretty good.
1:04:40 surprised no one noted how both freddy and jason have been in mortal kombat
I think this is the most fun one. The characters all suck, but the fights with Freddy and Jason are fun. Also this movie so feels like it's from 2003. I feel like something like this wouldn't be made today.
I liked the blonde guy that escaped from the quarantine.
He was reaourceful, and supportive of his friend. He would've lived if he hadn't escaped to help him, in fact.
For the humans I kinda liked Nerd and Dark Meat. That's about it though.
Based on the book by Stephen Kink Boogie vs. MovieBob
Boogie's powerful lying magic that reconfigurate reality vs Bob's pretentious genocidal rage.
@@albertocruzado2899 “I begged you not to preach eugenics! I BEGGED YOU! I BEGGED YOU!”
@@HectorLopez0217 Love you tho
Boogie Vs. MovieBob 2: The Tippleing
"Defeating MovieJason is the only thing that brings me joy in undeath" - Boogie Krueger
1:13:50 "There's a lot I don't like about AvP"
a rare sight indeed, Mauler not singing the praises of one of his favourite directors, Paul W. S. Anderson. Must have taken a lot of guts to say this. lol
"Corn R@pist" is just splendid.
God i love how they keep ragdolling them between sets
Jason X is my favorite Jason and the one I've watched SO much and still rewatch for fun.
I hope Platoon slept well at least.
Jason and Freddy tug of war for Platoon.
I remember my friends dad rented this on dvd for us when we had a sleepover back in the day, we were about 9 or 10 years old and huge horror fans.
We absolutely loved this movie but I haven't seen it in years and watching it again now it's unironically way better than any movie called Freddy Vs Jason has any right to be.
I enjoy it much more than any of the actual Elm Street or Friday movies even though I do like some of them.
I remember this movie being so much better than it had any right to be. Glad my memory wasn't wrong.
Especially coming off the Friday the 13th series. They talk about it being better than the Elm St. movies before it which is true but it is an even bigger leap ahead of the later Friday movies which are boring as hell.
This film was one of my guilty pleasures. I loved the idea movies were doing by just having a couple horror icons beat the shit out each other. Kind of like Kaiju battles for horror.
There was a crossover of the ring and the grudge that I still haven't seen, have no idea how that will work lol but it sounds cool
@@remylebeau34 I know what you're talking about, but I can't remember much from when I watched it.
I might give it another watch now that you mentioned it.
This was one of the best theater experiences; packed house, we we were dying by the end. 😊😊😊
1:06:40 Well, both characters did guest star in the Mortal Kombat series
I Wish they made their cameos in the same game like Predator and Alien did.
@ Missed opportunity there
@@jontaehall2740yeah that was always something I was gutted about, could've had freddy Jason and leatherface
I watched this movie so long ago that I've forgotten almost everything about it, but I remember that it somehow managed to be more watchable than the majority of Nightmare on Elm Street movies... Which is disturbing in a way.
I watched this in theaters on opening day and the place went ballistic when Freddy winked at the end.
Still some of the most fun I’ve ever had at the cinema
Mauler in this is exactly like me when I'm watching something with my girlfriend. A man dying of thirst being presented with a bottle of water.
Nothibg fancy, just the bare necessities of what you need. But oh so beautiful after years of drinking sand.
Part 3 is still my favorite but this movie was awesome. Freddy / Robert Englund just chewing up the scenery. Great breakdown guys, I miss those early 2000's movies that didn't give a shit about being politically correct.
'Just like in Colombine, where people got folded in beds' Never stop being awesome JLongBone.
I love how much fun everyone was having with this one, I saw this in theaters back in 03 and it's still one of my favorites, such a great movie.
Apparently, Pinhead was supposed to show up in some of the drafts for this movie, meaning this was aomost a Hellraiser movie as well.
Speaking of, is that the next arc?
Jason can canonically teleport by the way.
lol yep
Not until #8, and the New Line films did it way worse. XD
Not canonically no, that's never been confirmed by any of the movies... just one game and that's it xD
No he can't. There's not real reason he does that other than horror movie purposes and I guess just being really good at stalking/hunting/tracking. The remake tries to give him a reason, like the underground tunnel system which makes a little more sense, but he is a walking corpse from 6 and on. So maybe there is SOME supernatural reason. Unique cosmic power cryptid like Freddy? But "Canonically" you're just not suppose to think about it and watch the teens get killed is literally the real reason he does that lol. Just a scary: "AAAAH! HE'S HERE!" moment for the characters.
Halloween 3 is a hidden gem. I really wish the franchise moved on to do a different idea every year.. that could have gone on for years
But Halloween 4 is a good movie. Way better than 2
It’s practically a black mirror episode
I hear ‘Halloween 3’ and all I can hear is
3 more days till Halloween
Halloween
Halloween
3 more days till Halloween
Silver Shamrock
I mean, the Halloween franchise DID go on for years
It's okay story if not connected to Halloween. Felt more like it should've been a decent B-movie horror plot. Just ruins the character of Myers by blaming the masks for the killing. Ruins Myers solos boogeyman feel. He's just suppose to be pure evil with not emotion behind his eyes, why his mask fits him. Pale, emotionless and you NEVER see his eye, just darkness.
So many missed opportunities from the Hollywood cross-over trend that never was...
Like Terminator vs RoboCop
Ah yes the classic “YOU STOLE MY KILL” fight 😂
Hellraiser 2 and 3 are definitley worth a watch. Also, Exorcist III is quite good. Brad Duriff owns as usual.
Oh look it's the lead actress who was on Dawson's Creek and the scream queen at the time Katherine. You guys need to watch ginger snaps.
I love how much more comfortable JLongbone got in each sucesssive review. Some hilarious one-liners.
Its easier for her when they keep up with the movie. She's the only one I think that was familiar with the franchise, and this is a series where so much of the commentary was spent asking questions that were already answered to the point I have to wonder what could she say if she was that out of step with them.
Petition to call her Dark Meat from now on.
I got the same vibe with Fringy, there were 2 eps where he doesn't speak 'till like half an hour in and I'm like "oh sh**, I totally forgot about him".
Top Kino approaching.
My first ever movie of both franchises. Eager to hear the panel's thoughts. It still holds up.
A film where where Freddy and Jason work together to kill people would be a great way to follow up on this one. I would love that so much.
Me and my best friends watch this movie all the time and my friend referred to freddy as a chuckle fuck and it makes me laugh every time i think about freddy
Jason is getting put on GreenPeace's most wanted list for burning the corn r@p*sts' natural habitat.
Also, if you go by the Population sign in Freddy's Dead, and all canon kills of the Robert Englund Freddy from all movies, and the TV show, Freddy's kill count is 15,628
Jason's is 26k plus if the Solaris space station in Jason X counts, if not, Jason's kill count is massively inflated with kills attributed to him that werent his in part 1 and part 5
I remember seeing this in theaters with my friends when it came out. It was actually an event, and we went sort of ironically and ended up really liking it, despite some of the cringe and cheese. it was creative, delivered on the premise, and had way more writing (however basic) plot wise than most of the other entries.
Its a fun bad slasher instead of just bad bad
Fun fact: The reason Jason X comes out before Freddy vs. Jason even though the movie before it set it up was because they were in talks for Sam Raimi to direct, but he wanted it to be Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash (from Evil Dead). Wes Craven didn't want that (I'm guessing cause he was so high on his own farts after New Nightmare), so they scrapped it after the script had been made and went with the movie we have. However, the script for FvJvA was eventually adapted into a comic of the same name. It's actually really fun and I wish it had been made instead of this one.