For any that don't quite grasp what they're doing in this video, here's an explanation: The video is about a modification to the transmission of their AE86. Specifically, what they've done is replaced the fifth (and final) gear of the transmission with a different gear wheel, which makes them faster around the track that they're driving on. The answer as to why it makes the car faster lies in gear ratios: Gear ratios are commonly described by saying that a gear has a ratio of "x":1. What that means is that the drive shaft of the engine has to turn x times for the output shaft of the transmission to turn once. When x is larger than one, the transmission is amplifying torque, but also reducing the turning speed of the drive train, when x is smaller than one, the transmission is reducing torque, but increasing the turning speed. Usually, the first gear of a car will have a high x value, because you need a lot of torque to get a car rolling from a stop, and the fifth and sixth gears will be so-called "overdrive" gears, where x is smaller than one, so that you can reach higher top speeds without increased engine RPM (this is good for fuel economy). The gear ratios of the T50 transmission found in AE86s are as follows: First Gear: 3.587:1 Second Gear: 2.022:1 Third Gear: 1.384:1 Fourth Gear: 1.00:1 Fifth Gear: 0.861:1 As you can see, the fifth gear is an overdrive gear. This is also the gear they've replaced. The replacement (the "3.5th" gear) has a gear ratio that lies somewhere between third (1.384:1) and fourth (1.00:1). They did this because the track they're driving on doesn't have a lot of/any straights, where they would need a high top speed, but is instead very technical and winding, meaning the driver has to do a lot of braking and accelerating. The intermediate 3.5th gear allows them to optimise their mechanical advantage for the track, meaning they go faster. The transmission is described as a "close(d) ratio transmission", due to the gear ratios of all the gears being closer together (relative to the original gearing); this is commonly seen in racing cars. The reason why they chose to replace the fifth gear and not put 3.5th where 4th is and moving 4th to the final gear position is a matter of cost and complexity, as it's easier to swap the final gear in the train with a different one compared to taking the whole assembly apart and machining all the gears to fit together again.
i have a good question now how long would it take to change the gearing in the gearbox can it be done on the fly by taking some tools or will it take a hour or two of work because since im trying to be a decent racer im trying to get any little advantage based off a course i can when doing so
dylan rebuilding a gearbox from scratch is probably a major job, if anything you should look into a already built close ratio trans, or just change the final gear at the very least
From my understanding it's acts as a wedge between the car body and the door. In this way it makes a structural connection between the two and as a result the door ends up helping to restrict some of the movement in the body.
Most of the video is about finding settings to get more grip to the rear. Drifting and optimizing car for lap times are two completely different scenarios
One benefit of this gearbox configuration is you can drive through the first 4 gears like normal and you have the 3.5 to the right when you want to use it on the straights. I wouldn't drive it though - I'd be TERRIFIED of upshifting into 3.5 from 4 (thinking it was 5th) and sending my valves through the top of the bonnet! It's really hard to unlearn muscle memory. It's amazing to see that Tsuchiya didn't hurt the car once with a miss-shift while one the attack.
well the reason for removing 5th was that he wasn't going to need it, instead useing a 3.5 so increase acceleration comming out of corners. and one bonus to this config is that muscle memory from the normal 1 through 4 gears wont be lost and you wouldn't need to learn to rev-match a downshift from 4 to 3.5 and then to 3
Keiichi is quick learner tho, the way he change 3 to 3.5 gear without mistake almost like he have that kind of setup for a year while that is only his first try A true legend
Oh come on with the memberberries.... 7AG was the best way to get reliable power and of course torque which is great for the street. They can always put road tires back on it. For the gearbox, fuel economy will be a bit down, but I think that keeichi is probably rich enough to afford gas. Oh, you probably wont ever need 5th gear on japanese roads too.
for those who are wondering how fast the times are, 2012 Nissan GT-R(the fastest car on the course until 2018) clocked 25.888 seconds on the same course, it was stated in one of the other videos
Initial D pisses me off so much. The only reason they are so pricey now is because of clueless takumi wannabes. And people like me, who just want one because it's a superb and fun learning car and because of tsuchiya are fucked
I agree, I was trying to say they probably designed that around the tsukuba layout in mind. Although I may be talking nonsense, it fits the track really well.
I’ve been driving the gunsai touge on assesto corsa and I could see the value of having a 3.5 gear. I’m constantly switching from 3 rd to 4th on the longer straight always.
2:07 what a beautiful ratio!! Looks at the RPM drop only 1,000 wow! looks like you won't be low on power when you need it at high speed the ratios get closer meaning you can stay in the Power Band easier
The fact that he had 0 miss shift on the 1st try is freaking crazy. If it was me, I’d kept changing it normally like it’s still were 5th gear until I got used to the new pattern.
I love the final run where Tsuchiya just has the fire in his eyes. I know my tyres are over heating and have already been destroyed, I know I'm driving an unfamiliar gearbox, but who cares: "let's try one more lap" He's such an amazing driver. I can't help but be moved by his skill and determination.
Nothing new here except for the silly gear pattern. Datsun had the 'Option 1' motorsport gearbox for rallying and racing in the 70s. It was also a 5 speed with a direct 1:1 5th gear. That gearbox placed reverse where 1st is in a regular H pattern and 1st where you normal see 2nd. That way, the next 4 gears that are always in use (2nd - 5th) we all in an easy to remember regular H pattern. 👍
Generally, FF Hondas (or FF in general) don't need 3.5th cuz their gears never have a direct/1:1 ratio on their transmission so therefore they can make a close-ratio gearset that allows them to modify all ratios versus a RWD transmission which will have a 1:1 ratio depending on speeds (i.e. 4th for 5-speed, 5th for 6-speed)
For any that don't quite grasp what they're doing in this video, here's an explanation:
The video is about a modification to the transmission of their AE86. Specifically, what they've done is replaced the fifth (and final) gear of the transmission with a different gear wheel, which makes them faster around the track that they're driving on. The answer as to why it makes the car faster lies in gear ratios:
Gear ratios are commonly described by saying that a gear has a ratio of "x":1. What that means is that the drive shaft of the engine has to turn x times for the output shaft of the transmission to turn once. When x is larger than one, the transmission is amplifying torque, but also reducing the turning speed of the drive train, when x is smaller than one, the transmission is reducing torque, but increasing the turning speed.
Usually, the first gear of a car will have a high x value, because you need a lot of torque to get a car rolling from a stop, and the fifth and sixth gears will be so-called "overdrive" gears, where x is smaller than one, so that you can reach higher top speeds without increased engine RPM (this is good for fuel economy).
The gear ratios of the T50 transmission found in AE86s are as follows:
First Gear: 3.587:1
Second Gear: 2.022:1
Third Gear: 1.384:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.861:1
As you can see, the fifth gear is an overdrive gear. This is also the gear they've replaced. The replacement (the "3.5th" gear) has a gear ratio that lies somewhere between third (1.384:1) and fourth (1.00:1).
They did this because the track they're driving on doesn't have a lot of/any straights, where they would need a high top speed, but is instead very technical and winding, meaning the driver has to do a lot of braking and accelerating. The intermediate 3.5th gear allows them to optimise their mechanical advantage for the track, meaning they go faster.
The transmission is described as a "close(d) ratio transmission", due to the gear ratios of all the gears being closer together (relative to the original gearing); this is commonly seen in racing cars.
The reason why they chose to replace the fifth gear and not put 3.5th where 4th is and moving 4th to the final gear position is a matter of cost and complexity, as it's easier to swap the final gear in the train with a different one compared to taking the whole assembly apart and machining all the gears to fit together again.
s i d e w a y s l i f e s t y l e
You are the real mvp
i have a good question now how long would it take to change the gearing in the gearbox can it be done on the fly by taking some tools or will it take a hour or two of work because since im trying to be a decent racer im trying to get any little advantage based off a course i can when doing so
dylan rebuilding a gearbox from scratch is probably a major job, if anything you should look into a already built close ratio trans, or just change the final gear at the very least
And what is the story about the doorhinch, what is the function? :)
From my understanding it's acts as a wedge between the car body and the door. In this way it makes a structural connection between the two and as a result the door ends up helping to restrict some of the movement in the body.
I love how he Drifts only when necessary so he can be Incredibly Fast. Is like watching _Initial D 5th Stage_ in real life...
Basicaly without keiichi tsuchiya, initial D never would have existed
@@LFCEVO24 really in which part or stage is that
I haven't completed the anime yet
@@supa_powa7490 First Stage
Exactly. While other people go for angle and longer drift I choose to use for speed and only drift when needed.
Most of the video is about finding settings to get more grip to the rear. Drifting and optimizing car for lap times are two completely different scenarios
オリダーのタイヤについて
のアドバイスはもっともなのに
土屋さんの限界超えてからの走りがスゴすぎるねw
1:14 "Ok, let me put a sticker showing new shit pattern"
Nailed it.
PJ and the Craxfords lmfao
Shit are going real
5:14
I find this funny.
They fixed it
初めてのミッションで普通に全開できる土屋圭市…素晴らしい👏
俺でもできる
途中からシフトダウン時に3.5使わなくなったのはさすが
不思議な感覚って言ってるのに普通にシフトチェンジ出来るのが凄い
ここぞの時に集中出来る経験の積み重ね。
ギリギリの勝負時にアドレナリンが神経を刺激する快感。
One benefit of this gearbox configuration is you can drive through the first 4 gears like normal and you have the 3.5 to the right when you want to use it on the straights. I wouldn't drive it though - I'd be TERRIFIED of upshifting into 3.5 from 4 (thinking it was 5th) and sending my valves through the top of the bonnet!
It's really hard to unlearn muscle memory. It's amazing to see that Tsuchiya didn't hurt the car once with a miss-shift while one the attack.
well the reason for removing 5th was that he wasn't going to need it, instead useing a 3.5 so increase acceleration comming out of corners.
and one bonus to this config is that muscle memory from the normal 1 through 4 gears wont be lost and you wouldn't need to learn to rev-match a downshift from 4 to 3.5 and then to 3
@@ValentineC137 Sherlock is that you?
Keiichi is quick learner tho, the way he change 3 to 3.5 gear without mistake almost like he have that kind of setup for a year while that is only his first try
A true legend
サーキットが試験場みたいなことを市販車メーカーはたまに言いますが、本当にどれだけフィードバックされてるのかイマイチ実感できません。でもこういうのを見ると本当に試行錯誤してパーツ開発やセッティングしてるのがわかって面白いです。
natsubayashi 「ニュルは試験場」(トヨ◯)
夏林先生！
@@たいっちょ-z4d T○Y○TA
うっわ、本物だ笑笑
i like how this Thing don't Go overboard with Tuning. A real "tuned" ae86
Oh come on with the memberberries....
7AG was the best way to get reliable power and of course torque which is great for the street.
They can always put road tires back on it.
For the gearbox, fuel economy will be a bit down, but I think that keeichi is probably rich enough to afford gas. Oh, you probably wont ever need 5th gear on japanese roads too.
Jim Boum so you're saying there's no highways in Japan? Lol
Cristian 5 gears are not necessary to go highway speed
This along with miroshi are the best channels I've ever watched, even though I don't understand a word of Japanese
よく3→5、5→3の位置に素早くシフト出来るなー
ほんとすげぇな....どこまでドライバーとして進化するんだよ....
If only i could understand japanese
well, I guess it would be best if you start learning now. lol
Johnnyboy JDM はろー
haro?
haro
あなたはまだ日本を学ぶことができます if you wanted too haha
1:16 「スピードメーター見ないですよね」
ヤバすぎww
"I cant drive stick shift"
"Hold my gear 3.5"
incredible to watch tuning like this happen in real life. never seen this immediate trial, tweak, test procedure happen outside of video games
状況が悪くなればなるほどキレが増すってヤバいな。
I always thought he was the one who came up with this idea back in the days...
土屋さんの適応力すごい
初めてでシフトミスしないって流石土屋さんだわ笑笑
癖で4速から3.5速にいれてエンジン壊しちゃいそう
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
1:11 if you turn on CC you'll see "Ok, let me put a sticker showing new shit pattern"
土屋さんも鎌田さんも楽しそうだし、織戸さんも積極参加が嬉しい！
His 86 is so cleeeeean. I thought this was an early 2000s video until I saw the new 86s!
Well he has rebuilt it about 5 times.. I know I have one thay are constent work..
you thought tv programs had this good of camera quality in the early 2000s
ドアの件で織戸さんwwwついに壊れたんすかってwwwww
俺なら絶対シフトミス連発・・。
yuuta akaishizawa 3.5→4でリバースに入れてギア破壊かなww
Jr K.A.Z 入らないように安全装置がついてるよ！
ヌベジョンヌゾジョンベルミッティスモゲロンボョ 俺は3→4→3.5になると思うw
SEXO ANAL AHHH AHHH AHHHH!
Jose Valdez Chávez
I LOVE YOUR ASSHOLE
5→4のシフトでヒールアンドトゥする癖がついてるから
俺なら3.5→4で確実にやらかす
Man, this video was the reason I learned Japanese. 6 years later there’s finally subs.
This is a genius idea tbh very well thought out and quite useful too, only downside is it puts a strain on the engine.
It's a over built 7a for the power he has so it shouldnt be a problem
How the hell does this put more strain on the engine? It's a different gear ratio, between the extremes that were already there.
I’m teaching myself Japanese so I can go there and buy an AE86 when I get a good enough job to afford to do that. It’s my Dream car
They don’t call him “Drift King “ for nothing. He’s a legend!
これ見ると、土屋さんってやっぱりストリート出身のターマック屋さんなんだなあと。
WRCでも、たまーに土屋さんみたいなタイプの選手いますし。
事故って走り屋辞めたって聞いたけどほんとかな？
Sukiyaki Man それはどうでしょう？とりあえず、サーキットに専念するために東京出てきたのは本当みたいですが。
土屋さんは、レースと本で食えるようになったから東京に来たって本人がテレビで言ってたよ
でもこの人ラリーは一切出来ないよ
土屋さん全日本ラリー出た記憶があるんだけど・・
1,2,3,5を4速側に近づけるクロスを作って、ファイナルをジムカーナ用のローギア品にすればいいような気もするけど…
for those who are wondering how fast the times are, 2012 Nissan GT-R(the fastest car on the course until 2018) clocked 25.888 seconds on the same course, it was stated in one of the other videos
Who else comes back to this video just to see pure and a ridiculous amount of raw talent that many imitate, but never can duplicate.
Consistant driving skills. Wowser
Love that when his tyres start going away he gets faster. 😅
AE86,my dream car,it's a shame I can't drive it in my life.
You can thank initial d for that lol...
I like restored cars so my pain is worse
Initial D pisses me off so much. The only reason they are so pricey now is because of clueless takumi wannabes. And people like me, who just want one because it's a superb and fun learning car and because of tsuchiya are fucked
のちにマメ号が正式にこれ採用したからなあ
4:37, incredible Japaneseness
結局セッティング云々より乗り手のモチベーションなのか
ほんと鎌田社長86いじってる時顔いいよね子供みたいにいい笑顔してるそれにしてもえげつないな3.5かぁ
This is just mad but I love it just for the sake of it. I really want to go to this circuit at some point 🙏
i will always love the ae86 for the fact that i know it will be the best one day
クロスミッションでファイナル5,1(群サイ)とかシフトアップが大変そう😂😂
The Japanese have undoubtedly built the drift and street car scene, insane the stuff they come up with and do is insane. Innovation
AE86最高やな……
金色の闇 確かに最高だと思う
それーな
乗ってる人見ると羨ましいって思う
車は良い車だけどね
仁Dのせいでこれ以上に乗ってて恥ずかしい車はない
-meffy -
ん？なんで恥ずかしいの？
The driver of the ae86 is actually the real driver behind tokyo drift
Wow I am so lost, he shifts from a 3 to a 3.5, what..
They changed the gear ratio so 5th gear becomes almost like 3rd. Then the gear ratio becomes super close
I believe this was developed for Tsukuba N2 and it's usable on Tsukuba, especially for braking.
I agree, I was trying to say they probably designed that around the tsukuba layout in mind. Although I may be talking nonsense, it fits the track really well.
BoxxPow3r so they replaced the 5th with 3.5 since he doesn't need 5th
***** I want to understand this more really cool
The sound never gets old but with the 3.5 close gear it sounds better!
友達からDVD借りて見たなぁこれ。
Hパターンって体が慣れきってそうなのに、きっちり操作出来てるのさすがやな。
車で最高のチャンネル。ありがとう
ファイナルがめっちゃ気になる💭👀✨
4.7ですよ〜🙆🏻
ファイナルで調整したほうが、操作に違和感はないと思いますが。
Guys, you can turn on the the subtitle on CC button. Pick english on settings
Wow he set a better lap time with bald tires. Now that’s amazing.
土屋さん凄すぎて言葉にならんわ
"Close" ratio, as in the ratios are closer to each other.
I Love U japanese poeple.
Friendliest people in earth.
With positiv Aura
even their jokes/mockery is endearing
Same
なんと言っても音が最高やな...
This 86 sounds like misical instruments
慣れるまで難しそうだけど、これはこれで楽しそう!!
After watching a video about slip angle i fully understand Tsuchiya’s driving
no you don't
Drift King but still open to ideas and experimentation, that is how experts should be
適応能力やばすぎ
そりゃ土屋さんだもんねw
流石です。
I’ve been driving the gunsai touge on assesto corsa and I could see the value of having a 3.5 gear. I’m constantly switching from 3 rd to 4th on the longer straight always.
2:44
0.5速のシフト飛ばし
な！なんと、ですね🎵ついに土屋さんの車に3.5ﾘｯﾀｰ付けちゃいました❗とか(笑)
(兄、ｱｰ良い感じです)とかやっていくれないかな笑
what a legend, doesn't get confused even once.
Pretty smart idea, I've never heard of this with the 3.5 before bet it makes racing a whole lot easier once you get used to it.
シフトのこと考えすぎてタイム伸びなさそうw
86 is just such an unbelievably good sounding car from engine to exhaust!
It goes pretty smooth! They should change 4 with 3,5 and 5 with 4. Then they can start producing it :D
Es increíble, el carro y el piloto se convierten en uno solo. Muy curiosa la modificación en los cambios.
SUBTITLES, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SimRacingRic They have added subtitles now.
"Let me put a sticker showing new shit pattern"
Turn on captions
3.5速が5速の位置にあるから、大変そう…。
4速位置に3.5速、5速位置に4速だと土屋さんもっと攻めそう。
Where is the Eurobeat?
Asking the real questions here
in ur heart Bro
youtube comments asking for eurobeat everytime theres a ae86 in a video stupid af
@@y....01 just a joke from initial D.
De javu
郡サイで一般の人に混じって手加減無しのガチレースしてほしい
Initial d 86 drift perfect
ドアのくだりすこ
That Corolla is SO CLEAN.
Wow, the transmission is that small?
I guess there’s so many autos in the US that I expect the transmission to be bigger
頭文字Dで国道から降りてくるアクセルを2回吹かす音。。オヤジが帰ってきた！も気になるし。
PS:本来、5速な位置に3.5って４って普通に思いますｗ
2:07 what a beautiful ratio!! Looks at the RPM drop only 1,000 wow! looks like you won't be low on power when you need it at high speed the ratios get closer meaning you can stay in the Power Band easier
バイク見たいな立ち上がりやね〜
The fact that he had 0 miss shift on the 1st try is freaking crazy. If it was me, I’d kept changing it normally like it’s still were 5th gear until I got used to the new pattern.
I love the final run where Tsuchiya just has the fire in his eyes. I know my tyres are over heating and have already been destroyed, I know I'm driving an unfamiliar gearbox, but who cares: "let's try one more lap"
He's such an amazing driver. I can't help but be moved by his skill and determination.
Nothing new here except for the silly gear pattern.
Datsun had the 'Option 1' motorsport gearbox for rallying and racing in the 70s.
It was also a 5 speed with a direct 1:1 5th gear.
That gearbox placed reverse where 1st is in a regular H pattern and 1st where you normal see 2nd.
That way, the next 4 gears that are always in use (2nd - 5th) we all in an easy to remember regular H pattern. 👍
さすが土屋さん 3速と5速の位置でよく素早くシフトチェンジ出来るなあ
自分の車で停車状態で真似したけど、全開走行中考えると無理無理（笑）
Max & Mr. Tsuchiya both are my fav driver
これで街乗りする土屋さんすげぇな。シフトミスしないし
This just reminds me how good dori dori is at driving like holy shit that car was moving like it was dancing
ＡＥ８６のラリー車でスーパークロスを思い出した。
トランスミッションの最初の5速ギアを変更するためにどのような歯を使用しましたか？ありがとうございました.
i think this 3.5 gear is more beneficial for vtec engine.
Or raising the redline to 10k, so it doesn't drop out of vtec range.
close ratio gears benefit any high-revving engine with a narrow power band.
Generally, FF Hondas (or FF in general) don't need 3.5th cuz their gears never have a direct/1:1 ratio on their transmission so therefore they can make a close-ratio gearset that allows them to modify all ratios versus a RWD transmission which will have a 1:1 ratio depending on speeds (i.e. 4th for 5-speed, 5th for 6-speed)
Eye nearly closed.
Drive a AE-86.
Drift when needed.
The person that invent Drifting.
Drive on touge in free time.
*Bunta Confirm.*
4A-Gの音が良すぎて惚れた
うんち漏れそう
Now THIS is new and creative content!
3.5 and 4 coming like sequential is more easy to tramision
Hey look, the AE86 but with 5 gears. Bravo!