Casio laser/LED projector teardown

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  • Опубликовано: 7 окт 2020
  • A look at a Casio XJ-M131 projector, which uses a laser +LED light source instead of a conventional discharge lamp
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  • @jincyquones
    @jincyquones 3 года назад +34

    I have a ASUS DLP pico projector and it can automatically adjust the screen direction and keystone depending on how the device is oriented.

  • @riakata
    @riakata 3 года назад +14

    Auto-keystone correction can be done with an accelerometer

  • @StormBurnX
    @StormBurnX 3 года назад +22

    The accelerometers are on projectors for automatic keystone correction - a projector is a stationary device once set up, so an accelerometer can be used to accurately estimate the angle due to gravity, and thus assuming the projector is aimed at a vertical surface (rather than a perpendicular surface), basic trigonometry can be used to skew the image to correct distortion automatically. The more you know!

  • @alexwang007
    @alexwang007 3 года назад +18

    Mike is still alive! I am pretty sure we all have missed you.

  • @martin_mue
    @martin_mue 3 года назад +12

    The accelerometer could be for tilt/roll angle measurement for automatic trapezoidal perspective correction of the projection.

  • @snik2pl
    @snik2pl 3 года назад +25

    Accelerometr for Automatic keystone correction

    • @karlramberg
      @karlramberg 3 года назад +5

      I thought it was for detecting if someone used it as a light saber :-)

    • @TheIanrobot
      @TheIanrobot 3 года назад +2

      Projectors that don’t have the ability to turn that off is dead to me

  • @pete3897
    @pete3897 2 года назад +11

    Mike, you asked at 4:18. The reason is to allow for automatic geometry (trapezoid) correction when the projector's aiming is moved up and down. It looks quite fancy in action.

  • @malinsg1
    @malinsg1 3 года назад +6

    Glad to see you uploading again Mike!

  • @mweert
    @mweert 3 года назад +13

    The accellerometer is probably being used for the auto keystone feature

    • @MrJef06
      @MrJef06 3 года назад

      Probably, yes. Or to automatically void the warranty if you accidentally drop the projector on the floor ;-)

  • @Zadster
    @Zadster 3 года назад +9

    I hope someone can get hold of one of the new Audi headlamp laser projectors with DLP, they sound interesting.

  • @carloca71
    @carloca71 3 года назад +2

    Really nice PCB layout, components grouped by function, many labels, some folks have pride in their jobs at Casio.

  • @PlaywithJunk
    @PlaywithJunk 3 года назад +4

    Accelerometer: For automatic tilt correction of the projected picture. Takes care of making straight vertical lines and also adjusts picture height.

  • @riakata
    @riakata 3 года назад +3

    Faster startup/shutdown are nice with laser projectors vs lamp based ones especially in a presentation settings where people always love unplugging projectors before they cool down.

  • @furballtiger
    @furballtiger 3 года назад +6

    The accelerometer is for auto keystone/rotation

  • @Ghozer
    @Ghozer 3 года назад +14

    Auto-keystone... that's why there's an accelerometer! ;)
    That, and mounting it up-side down etc ;)
    and the longer green, is due to the fact that we perceive more shades of green, than blue... then red is in between them!

  • @edgeeffect
    @edgeeffect 3 года назад +10

    NICE screwdriver tip..... thanks a lot for that one!

  • @gork42
    @gork42 3 года назад +10

    The accelerometer measures for screen flip and automatic keystone correction.

  • @AmericanLocomotive1
    @AmericanLocomotive1 3 года назад +5

    Many projectors have an automatic setup option now. They'll automatically detect orientation, angle and and adjust keystone. It's useful for "mobile" projectors.

  • @repatch43
    @repatch43 3 года назад +9

    Auto keystone adjustments?

  • @mogoreanu
    @mogoreanu 3 года назад +2

    Mike can make anything look interesting. Thank you!

  • @WillBicks
    @WillBicks 3 года назад +11

    What's the reason behind red being powered by an LED and the blue and green by laser?

    • @plemli
      @plemli 3 года назад +1

      Older unit probably. Newer ones may have red and green lasers, though the green are a bit off color at 520nm instead of 532nm.

  • @justDIY
    @justDIY 3 года назад +2

    LAZORS! Always good to see new content from Mike!

  • @hateercenor
    @hateercenor 3 года назад +10

    the trick for those threadlocer screws is to heat with a soldering iron

  • @ErikTheAndroid
    @ErikTheAndroid 3 года назад +5

    Accelerometer is most likely for detecting which way the projector is mounted as well as automatic key stone.

  • @simonstergaard
    @simonstergaard 3 года назад +5

    Accelerometer could be for automatic keystone correction or automatic ceiling og table projection without having to press any buttons.

  • @dash8brj
    @dash8brj 3 года назад +3

    I bought two diodes harvested from this exact model of projector, they were 2 watts each, I built laser pens out of them using a pocket flashlight (torch) as a body, and had the heatsink professionally milled. They run off a single high quality 18650 cell. Duty cycle was 1:2 - 2 minutes on 4 minutes off. Stupidly powerful, and now you can get 7 WATTS in a single diode!

  • @laser-on-off
    @laser-on-off 3 года назад +16

    Accelerometer, checked in the manual, automatic image flip and maybe automatic keystone adjustment capability, it makes sense. The datasheet mentions automatic keystone.
    The laser diodes are not all populated because this is the unit with less brightness in the series, the same design can provide other models with a higher brightness, they all may be populated then.
    Thanks for the videos !

  • @LewisCowles
    @LewisCowles 3 года назад +1

    Thanks Quinn F, for directing me at this. I understood more than I thought I would, but I'm glad Mike understands more, like don't put wood into the projector (not that I would have).

    • @tychothefriendlymonolith
      @tychothefriendlymonolith 3 года назад

      Mikes video on fixing a firefighter thermal camera is a masterclass in practical fault finding theory.

  • @andyboy189
    @andyboy189 3 года назад +8

    accelerometer is for trapisodial correction, for situations where the projector is not perpendicular to the projection surface.

    • @meepk633
      @meepk633 3 года назад

      So they can detect an orientation without acceleration?

    • @andyboy189
      @andyboy189 3 года назад +3

      Gravity?

    • @StormBurnX
      @StormBurnX 3 года назад

      @@meepk633 Correct, an accelerometer that is not moving (such as one that is in a stationary device, like a projector) can simply measure the acceleration forces due to gravity in each dimension, and then basic trigonometry can be used to calculate the angle of the projector with relatively high accuracy.

  • @Some_Beach
    @Some_Beach 3 года назад +2

    Always a good day when mike uploads

  • @MaxKoschuh
    @MaxKoschuh 3 года назад +2

    VERY interesting !!!
    Thanks for all the effort in filming

  • @ultort
    @ultort 3 года назад +4

    I would say the accelerometer is to straighten the image when your projector is tilted. You can probably save a ton of time if you have many to install or even with a mobile one, put it on the table, adjust the zoom and you are ready.

  • @leozendo3500
    @leozendo3500 3 года назад +6

    The accelerometer is for auto keystone which is built in as a part of the TI DLP solution.

    • @technodaz
      @technodaz 3 года назад

      Yea that's the first thing I thought , a friend of mine has auto key and I cry at how easy it is to set up compared to mine, then again mine was ten times cheaper.

  • @morrisoc1
    @morrisoc1 2 года назад +3

    You left the best to last! Glad to see I'm not the only one who finds those extra screws! 😂

  • @shmehfleh3115
    @shmehfleh3115 3 года назад +10

    I have a projector that automatically adjusts the keystoning based on its orientation. I'd bet that's what the accelerometer is for.

    • @rkan2
      @rkan2 3 года назад

      Keystoning... yikes

  • @DocNo27
    @DocNo27 3 года назад +2

    I've alway been curious about these - thanks for doing this!

    • @DocNo27
      @DocNo27 3 года назад

      Interesting they would make the blue LEDs do double duty since blue LEDs typically have the lowest duty cycle? I suppose it keeps the number of LEDs down by doubling up colors onto one LED and if the blue goes the whole light engine has to be replaced. It must be easier to get green from blue than getting green from red or red from green. I was hoping with lasers since you can get all three primary colors from individual LEDs there wouldn't be any moving parts other than the micro mirrors on the DLP chips and the cooling fans but nope - still a fast spinning color wheel.
      The optics and engineering in this are amazing - especially when you think about the manufacturing scale and price point these things are made to. Incredible, really.
      Fascinating engineering!
      Also good to know to slap some external pre-filters onto those things. That's a horrible design with no filters!

  • @paulstubbs7678
    @paulstubbs7678 2 года назад +6

    That's crazy, a company buying a truckload of projectors, then stripping them. You'd think they'd just source the lasers from a supplier. What a load of ewaste that has created.

  • @p1366
    @p1366 3 года назад

    Welcome back Mike!

  • @therealandycook
    @therealandycook 3 года назад +2

    Accelerometer is likely so the onscreen menu and content is orientated properly since when you use it on a desk the top is pointed upwards but when you mount it on a ceiling the top faces the floor.

  • @madmatthew21
    @madmatthew21 3 года назад +2

    I remember when these projectors were discovered on the Photonlexicon forum :)

  • @scottyleics
    @scottyleics 3 года назад +5

    Yay he's back

  • @AK-nb6hz
    @AK-nb6hz 3 года назад +1

    Hah! I saw one of these on ebay uk a week or two ago, didn't bid on it but looked for a teardown. Glad you got one!!

  • @joeyreyes5719
    @joeyreyes5719 2 года назад +4

    The accelerometer is there to help with auto adjusting keystone

  • @supyrow
    @supyrow 3 года назад +6

    Accelerometer is probably for mounting orientation=, i.e upside down

  • @passmadd
    @passmadd 3 года назад +3

    A lot of people bought these but only harvested 3-6 diodes which maintained the brightness, then sold the diodes or made laser pointers. From what I remember that model (M series?) had the 2 watt diodes where the A series had 1 watt.

    • @cambridgemart2075
      @cambridgemart2075 3 года назад +1

      The Ms had more powerful diodes than the As, but I don't think it was 2:1. Also the Ms have 24 but the As had 20 LDs

  • @AK-nb6hz
    @AK-nb6hz 3 года назад +9

    Accelerometer = auto keystone

  • @202Electrics
    @202Electrics 3 года назад +1

    lazors! great teardown! I thought the lasers were used to project the image, but it's for the true RGB colors.

  • @johnwalker194
    @johnwalker194 2 года назад +3

    My Casio XJ-A131 slimline is showing 13803 hours and still burning brightly, have a complete spare unit ready for judgement day and one with a bad DLP chip for spares. i would recommend these little laser projectors to anyone, mine is hardly ever powered down !!!

  • @Psi105
    @Psi105 3 года назад +2

    Another possible reason for the accel is theft detection. In a environment where the projector RS232 is being used for control the projector could send a theft warning message if the accel detects any movement.

  • @MrJef06
    @MrJef06 3 года назад +3

    "Only a few screws leftover, but they always put so many of these things..." Haha! 🤣

  • @rohitkhanna4487
    @rohitkhanna4487 3 месяца назад

    The accelrometer or gyro is used for autokeystone correction based on the agnle the front leg is raised at.

  • @eddieloius4592
    @eddieloius4592 8 месяцев назад

    I believe the accelerometer is used to help perform auto-keystone operations. I'm certain this projector has that ability. I have A-142

  • @ollieb9875
    @ollieb9875 3 года назад

    Always interesting boss man. Cheers, be well!

  • @tusharvn5254
    @tusharvn5254 3 года назад +1

    Hey! Any idea why we don't use UST laser pico projectors for smaller screens? Like laptop-sized screens?

  • @markjames2164
    @markjames2164 3 года назад +1

    Hello again
    I wanna know Could you run this projector with just the red led without the blue laser diode module

  • @gavincurtis
    @gavincurtis 3 года назад +2

    Would the sensor be used to determine angle to automatically offset Keystone distortion? Pretty fancy.

  • @gudenau
    @gudenau 3 года назад +2

    Man optical stuff is crazy. We know so much and so little at the same time.

    • @outspokeninsider752
      @outspokeninsider752 3 года назад

      and to think before lasers, it was long considered a settled science with little left to learn.

  • @calw2939
    @calw2939 3 года назад +3

    Your comments around 16 minutes about being unable to access filters for maintenance is common for a lot of Panasonic laser projectors as well, including high end (20K-30K lumen) units. They seem to think anyone using these are in clean positive pressure lecture theatres etc. I can tell you that old heritage listed theatres are far from clean!!
    I have provided feedback to their engineers that something that is 'maintenance free' doesn't mean it should be un-maintainable!

  • @mbainrot
    @mbainrot 3 года назад +3

    accelerometer could also be for "automatic" keystone adjustment?

  • @Thats_Mr_Random_Person_to_you
    @Thats_Mr_Random_Person_to_you 3 года назад +16

    Do a lot of work in the cinema industry and Dcinema is going laser orientated these days. They tend to come in a few 'flavours'.
    Cheap end is laser phosphor with blue lasers and a spinning phosphor wheel to create white light which is then split to RGB via a prism.
    Moving up you end up with various colour laser sources with the phosphor to create the missing colour.
    Then finally the hugely expensive (like £100k+ per projector) 6P where you have discreet laser colours (2 main sources for each colour) this can then be used to create a 3d effect if required by having a slight shift in RGB wavelengths from the two source groups. With the user then wearing different filters for each eye - so a more direct version of Dolby's 3d which uses a spinning wheel to create the same wavelength shift

    • @anomaly95
      @anomaly95 3 года назад +3

      The downside for the laser phosphor projectors is the color reproduction. Not as good as RGB.

    • @anomaly95
      @anomaly95 3 года назад +3

      Some of the largest and expensive projectors don't even have the lasers built in. They have external laser enclosures that "feed" the projector through fiber optics.

  • @kilrahvp
    @kilrahvp 3 года назад +1

    Interesting about the completely different methods for making each of the primary colors. As far as I know some other designs use the laser as only source by going through phosphors similar to those in high CRI white LEDs to create white light and then throw that onto a standard color wheel or dichroic mirrors. Someone I know bought a big professional Sony 10K lumen laser projector for a venue and the light source on that is specced as being just a 350W(!) blue laser array. Funny that blue lasers used to be that expensive and price has fallen off a cliff with 5W blue engraving lasers costing about 80 bucks from banggood now. On show lasers blue also always tends to be the most powerful one, seems blue is the cheapest per watt by now. As others have mentioned the accelerometer is likely for auto keystone compensation, most projectors have had that as a feature for quite a while now. Also a lot of projectors use LEDs as light source now, bulb-based ones are disappearing pretty quickly in favor of either LED or laser.

  • @martin09091989
    @martin09091989 3 года назад +2

    Nice! allways wery interesting! 😘

  • @RenThraysk
    @RenThraysk 3 года назад +1

    Have wondered if it was possible to make a LEP flashlight ( think there is currently about a dozen models from a few manufacturers ) with a rotating wheel for changing colour of the light. Looks like blue, green and white would be at least possible.

  • @nortonsm
    @nortonsm 3 года назад +4

    Great teardown! Learned a lot. Thank you! I had thought that laser projectors would require some type of moving diffuser to knock out the coherence of those red/blue laser beams. I know light produced from the phosphor is incoherent, so you're good there. But I'd think the the red/blue beams, expanded across the image plane would require some method to reduce coherence, otherwise all kinds of "speckle" would be seen across the projected field. Is this not true?

  • @chubbyadler3276
    @chubbyadler3276 3 года назад +2

    6:15 That looks to be a "game bit" which is common with many older game consoles. You can find those screwdrivers all over Amazon.

  • @TenTries
    @TenTries 3 года назад

    Good stuff! Are there some exciting projects we can expect to see using some of these components?

  • @rob19632
    @rob19632 3 года назад +3

    We have installed quite a few of these , they have a habit of the image going pink after a while, they also lose light output. We dont use them much now mainly because the are only wxga. Laser projectors are also getting cheaper and cheaper all the time.

    • @rkan2
      @rkan2 3 года назад

      The habit of going pink is definitely not exclusive to this projector, or led projector... probably affects every possible technology, or at least that is my experience with projectors (though mostly just conventional Panasonics)

  • @soniclab-cnc
    @soniclab-cnc 3 года назад +3

    many projectors have auto keystone and auto orientation, likely the accelerometer is for keystone adjustment

  • @gotj
    @gotj 9 месяцев назад

    DLPs are a marvel !

  • @Psi105
    @Psi105 3 года назад +1

    Most of the manufactures are using laser for their high end 4k home theater projectors now. eg, EPSON / Sony / others. They are usually in the $5k-50k range

  • @PlasmaHH
    @PlasmaHH 3 года назад +1

    Yes, its manually selectable but why not make auto the default? You could also have a trapezoid correction for mounting it at an angle have an auto setting.

  • @smarks1986
    @smarks1986 3 года назад

    Accelerometer is for detecting tilt and auto adjusting

  • @lasergeak
    @lasergeak 3 года назад +3

    Accelerometer as many have said is for the keystone far as i know they dont detect ceiling mounting

  • @molitovv
    @molitovv 3 года назад

    Some projectors have automatic orientation detection, but possibly also warranty protection for units that are treated roughly?

  • @frollard
    @frollard 3 года назад +6

    Accelerometer, as you surmise is probably for automatic image flip, and possibly some level of automatic keystone correction.

    • @punit_patel
      @punit_patel 3 года назад

      or free-fall detection :)

    • @autonomousperson
      @autonomousperson 3 года назад +1

      It automatically trips a warranty void efuze if dropped, jokes aside it's for the auto keystone correction feature

  • @MVVblog
    @MVVblog 3 года назад

    This was very interesting! I'm about to buy one of this new laser projector.

  • @dingleburry7919
    @dingleburry7919 2 года назад

    Woulda been neat to see high speed camera footage of a movie or something. Great vid though!!

  • @calinolteanu8079
    @calinolteanu8079 3 года назад +1

    Really thought it would mechanically scan the collimated beam like a CRT does. Great video btw, keep em coming.

    • @SvenKillig
      @SvenKillig 3 года назад

      The MicroVision ones do.

    • @plemli
      @plemli 3 года назад

      "laser speckle"

  • @jtveg
    @jtveg 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏼

  • @pressurelamps
    @pressurelamps Год назад

    Hi I have one of these Casio hybrid projectors. It's pretty good but I do see the rainbow effect quite a lot, especially when moving my eyes across the screen. I understand it is equivalent to about a 2x colour wheel which is not great. Do all the Casio models run the phosphor wheel at the same speed or are some better than others? Has anyone tried the Panasonic RZ/RW projectors as they seem to be the only other LED/Laser projectors around in any quantity and are they any better? They seem to use a different setup of a red/blue LED and the laser doing green only via a phosphor wheel and I think this enables them to cycle RGB via rapid switching.
    Oh and my Casio is super cheap to run, consuming only 60 watts on the lowest lamp setting, which is less than my cheapo LED projector which is about half as bright.

  • @tcdontplay4914
    @tcdontplay4914 3 года назад +4

    he is back!!! yes!!!

  • @electronicseasy4485
    @electronicseasy4485 3 года назад

    I like these optical stuff

  • @Photonface
    @Photonface 3 года назад

    Generally the medium which the projector will be projecting on will be vertical(Hanging or a wall). So it will change the vertical aspect ratio depending on the tilt? Edit, just read other comments. Keystoning. Always learning.

  • @AleJLC75
    @AleJLC75 Месяц назад

    Hello, I have the same model. When power on only the lights power and temp stay on red , help . Thank you

  • @oswynfaux
    @oswynfaux 3 года назад +1

    I have an Epson projector that will automatically adjust the lens to project a flat image regardless of the angle the projector is sitting at. Auto leveling I guess, but you can turn it off.

  • @Orbis92
    @Orbis92 3 года назад +2

    I saw a couple of sealing mounted projectors with anti theft feature, maybe the acc is for some kind movement detection. The projector I saw did not have an alarm or so, but would just lock up if moved. It even had a ton of warning labels saying this, and a bright orange housing...
    But I just read auto keystone correction in the comments, probably just this....

  • @yiyou6529
    @yiyou6529 3 года назад +1

    Nice video, as always. The accelerometer, to me, may serve as a digital and active interlock to stop the laser. If a laser is not mechanically stable, the light can shoot at undesired places, such as human eyes. I have seen similar designs on class-4 q-switched lasers. Not sure if it is designed for the same purpose here.

  • @christopherleubner6633
    @christopherleubner6633 2 года назад +1

    As long as there is an odd number of screws left it it is good to go, if you have an even number you better find where they go 😅

  • @zorgatron8998
    @zorgatron8998 3 года назад

    That starry screw looks like the screws that held NES and SNES cartridges together.

  • @ligius3
    @ligius3 3 года назад +2

    An office beamer I use from time to time has an auto-adjusting feature (focus, perhaps keystone). But it uses a tiny image sensor instead. Maybe I will try once to film it in slow-motion, as I don't see any fiducials being projected, it feels like magic.

    • @danrulz98
      @danrulz98 3 года назад +1

      Yeah I have a Hitachi that does automatic Keystone adjustment, as well as orientation. Of course its possible to manually override the automatic stuff if it gets it wrong

    • @mikeselectricstuff
      @mikeselectricstuff  3 года назад +1

      Focus is easy, just adjust for maximum high-frequency content

  • @ZeroMass
    @ZeroMass 3 года назад

    Any idea why when I changed out damaged dlp chips in the xja140 the new chips started to produce new white dots only hours after use? Replacements were unused and worked perfect, then 1, then two.. within the first 10hours of use in eco mode .
    Any ideas?
    edit* in one day the screen is littered with white dots... Ffs 🤬

    • @LeonardPutra
      @LeonardPutra 3 года назад

      inadequate cooling? have you add a fresh thermal paste to the DLP chip & heatsink after replacing it?

    • @ZeroMass
      @ZeroMass 3 года назад

      @@LeonardPutra yes . Cleaned both surfaces and replaced the pad. I'm wondering if the bracket which holds the chip in place needs specific torque. It's a weird setup on the 140 series where the heatsink pressed up against the back of the chip . I replaced it again in my third projector along with the color wheel. A week later I have one dot lol
      I swear this series is getting back at me for all the ones I've stripped for the diodes
      🤘🤪

  • @TheEPROM9
    @TheEPROM9 3 года назад +2

    Agreed, manufactures use way to meany screws.

    • @pepper669
      @pepper669 3 года назад +1

      That's how they screw you.

  • @yoppindia
    @yoppindia 3 года назад +1

    I am still not able to get cheap and powerful blue laser🙁

  • @mikaeleriksson6934
    @mikaeleriksson6934 3 года назад +6

    The algo for converting RGB into grayscale is (0.3 * R) + (0.59 * G) + (0.11 * B). So I guess thats why the green part of the wheel is longer than the passthrough blue.

    • @plemli
      @plemli 3 года назад

      It's just the other way round when mixing light from rgb souces. You need waaaaay less green power than red and blue.

  • @markjames2164
    @markjames2164 3 года назад +1

    I want the red led module

  • @TheEPROM9
    @TheEPROM9 3 года назад

    Projectors can be quite intresting to take apert, the modern cheap ones are not as there optics are super simple. Got some intresting examples from the uni WEEE bin quite a few years ago now.

    • @AAAyyyGGG
      @AAAyyyGGG 3 года назад

      I'm glad I'm not the only one pulling useful stuff out of WEEE bins! 😎

  • @parody4042
    @parody4042 3 года назад

    I want a few of those red leds

  • @andymouse
    @andymouse 3 года назад

    Nice !...cheers.

  • @picobyte
    @picobyte 2 года назад +1

    A bit late. Green is the most significant colour used for brightness. They may even increase laser brightness during the 'geen sectors' to get the white balance right.

    • @zbdot73
      @zbdot73 2 года назад

      i thought it was something to do with human perception, we have greatest sensitivity to green.

  • @markjames2164
    @markjames2164 3 года назад

    What's the part information on the red led and specs on it

    • @mikeselectricstuff
      @mikeselectricstuff  3 года назад

      Someone mentioned the maker and maybe part number in the comments a while ago