It’s crazy how little people generally understand about psychopaths, and how common they are in real life. You might even have met one before and not realised cause of how much of a normal person they are
psychopaths are so misunderstood that no one knows its not a real medical term. There is no such thing apsychopath. It would fall under something called antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) which is much broader tthen what people mean by psychopath or sociopath.
Wow no shit 😂 but seriously it’s not “common” cause there’s only one digit percent of them atleast in America so not that common but that percent is thousands so you might have but yea psycopaths are just less empathetic people doesn’t mean they are bad or even evil 😂
Ogata here shows one thing so many other fictional psychopaths lack; weaknesses due to his condition. He will make choices that hurt him in the long run, because he just doesn't realise they would. So many fictional psychopaths aren't hindered like that, to the point where they have all the 'benefits' of a psychopath (no emotions, no guilt) but none of the weaknesses.
Funny enough if u want to see a good example for a classical sociopath look at boris johnson a pathological liar, who doesnt understand right or wrong (he brags about lying), with a complete disregard of other people (look at covid scandal he wrote his book instead of leading) and he has no impulse of long term self protection. Add to this his great ability to manipulate by changing his behaviour (he becomes a clown when he wants to distracts for example). He is the perfect example of a sociopath.
@@Amine-om7yj If you think everyone thinks like you and your ability to feel empathy is inherently bad, you will take actions others might find disturbing. The condition hinders you unless you learn to understand people through faking it. Ogata, living during war times, would have no need to learn those skills.
Glad to see Golden Kamuy get some praise for well-written characters as opposed to most people ONLY highlighting the, 'hurr hurr goofy character interactions' most people who make any videos or attention to Golden Kamuy. The show does have some genuinely good writing, not to mention it highlights a period and group of people most anime doesn't even touch.
The goofiness is an aspect of human nature, which suits it’s often slice of life nature. Life goes on, friendships are formed, until the violence begins again.
@@lordbiscuitthetossable5352 Exactly. It's why soldiers in their off time do goofy and absurd things. We all need a bright spot here and there, especially when you regularly deal with the horrors of war and death.
I love how the artist reflects these qualities in how the characters are drawn. They almost look straight out of different mangas. Ogata has blank eyes. A smooth symmetrical face. His scars look almost like bolted together metal plates. The protagonist has an almost wild look, like a wolf. Sharp eyes, and moves from fierce to soft. Scars reflecting his emotional damage. The girl has big glassy eyes, and a soft shape. This reflects her innocence and kindness.
I think they still have the same style, but the author knows how to make facial expressions within his visual characteristics and he knows how to play with expression.
@@tiiatanner7616come on, pls stop with these "better animated adaptation". It already has 4 seasons. Japanese fans never make the animation a big deal unlike international fans and never rate animes from the animation alone. Moreover, Golden Kamuy VAs never miss, especially Ogata.
The anime is excellent, and only got ignored by Western fans due to the CGI animals in the first season. I do agree it's little talked about overseas, and probably the best Seinen manga of the last decade.
@@dewifatmawati9660 same, as long as the animation isn't berserk 2016 levels of bad i can watch it. I dont understand those people who watch shounen, they hate the plots but somehow the fights make up for it?
I'm in love with how Ogata operates, weaponizing peoples' sense in morality both in and out the battlefield, but it sheds light on how he can be seen as just a hollow shell of a person, not able to joke around, laugh, get close to people. It's poetry how the story uses sociopathy as a tool to lure out empathy, just like Ogata would.
Golden Kamuy is so fking good. I can’t believe no one is raving about it. The world building, the motivations, the deaths, the fights, the trope subversions. Nearly a perfect anime.
i also love golden kamuy, in truth i have only 3 animes that i have watched up until the last available episode and wanted more of so much that i decided to start reading the manga, and those are from my least to most favourite: jujutsu kaisen, golden kamuy and apothecary diaries.
@@afrosamourai400 Character deaths do not follow the usual song and dance. You genuinely cannot predict who will die and when. The two MCs would typically be a Loli couple but they are not romantically linked. At least not as of yet. He sees her as the child she is. The villains are realistic and likeable. In fact, the ones you scream at for them to be killed on sight usually end up working with our heroes. Our heroes become villains and our villains become heroes. And back again, depending on the motivations and necessities at the time. You don’t know how upset I was that Ogata wasn’t killed after his first shenanigans and then again after he killed the father.
@@TarellHudson thanks for taking the time to answer, could you elaborate about the heroes becoming villains and villains becoming heroes? And what do you find likable about a guy like the one described in this video? I don't know about the manga that's why i'm asking all these questions..
I like how Sugimoto, Tsurumi, and Ogata form a sort of Triad. Sugimoto has is selfless with unselfish motivations, Tsurumi is selfless with selfish designs, and Ogata is selfish with selfish goals.
@@angellover02171 So I love literally every character in the series, and I specifically chose those three for a reason. I think Hijikata is the same as Sugimoto, but spoilers below, proceed at your own risk, but I'll try to keep it light. SPOILERS Sugimoto, Tsurumi, and Ogata are all present in the final showdown (along with Asirpa), so they represent the three kind of people fighting for the gold. Hijikata, near the end while he's hallucinating near death, sees Sugimoto as a younger version of himself. So I think they share the same idea of being selfless. Further reinforced by Sugimoto using Hijikata's sword in the final fight with Tsurumi.
Ironically i think asirpa is the most selfish character in the entire story She wants the gold for and only for the ainu and when she gives up on the gold she wants sugimoto and shiraishi to not take it plus she wanted sugimoto to give up on everything just so he can be with her forever
When the flashback of Ogata killing his flag-bearer older Half-brother was shown, I realized just how much I despised Ogata but could see his quandry. He cannot accept there are people with a moral code that runs opposed to his own beliefs shaped by his different upbringing. The most damning part is like many members of the 7th Division, he probably sees through Tsurumi's manipulations but can't bothered to oppose him as long as it runs in line with his aims. Golden Kamuy is full of characters like this. Such a great show, sometimes marred by....off-color humor.
One detail I love is in Koito's backstory when Koito apologises over the phone to his father for not being able to be like his brother, and one of the masked kidnappers tries comforting him. Later, he tells that same kidnapper "Kill me! If I die fighting, maybe my father might respect me!", but it's only after his father does come to save him that the kidnapper gets visibly more agitated and calls him 'barchonok', making it clear that the kidnapper is Ogata. He hates the fact that Koito's father actually cares about him, something he wishes he could relate to. Noda is so fucking good
This whole interaction is what makes me think Ogata ISN'T a psychopath, he's just acting how he thinks a psychopath would because he believes he is one. At the end of the manga, he essentially says as much. This video is great and I'm so excited to see people talking about Golden Kamuy, but I ultimately disagree that Ogata is a psychopath. 😊
@@asiah31 it is Ogata. There is also a panel/shot of Tsukishima looking (ostensibly in surprise/confusion) at Ogata for doing this. It's a little hard to keep track of who's who in the scene in the manga, but if you watch the anime episode back you can tell who's who based on their voice!
People often confuse someone with a defiance disorder as being a psychopath. The entire field of psychiatry is really much harder than people think. Many psych disorders have significant overlap and symptoms often need to be drawn out and investigated. We also have this trend from the 2010's of lay persons reading an article misinterpreting the DSM and self diagnosing themselves of others with psychiatric conditions. This trend alone has set back the field significantly. You can not objectively judge your own behaviors, thus any self diagnosis you make is going to be inherently flawed or in the best case prone to bias.
It's true that stuff gets annoying with self diagnosis. But I also think it's not always as bad as it's made out to be. I know plenty of people who couldn't pay to get tested. Usually it's more in the fields of ADHD and Autism than actually serious stuff. But them going something is wrong and trying to figure it out isn't bad. I've often given those people notebooks I used to get myself through school with a diagnosis. It's not fine to just say yeah I got this! All convinced cause they diagnosed themselves. But it is fine to go, I suspect I might have this issue but I can't verrify do you have sources that might help me get by in life? One is pure ego speaking on knowing a topic better than an expert. The other situation is acknowledging there is something wrong and feeling powerless and hopeless cause you can't verify and therefore you can't get easy access to therapy either. If someone is just asking for an aid to live normally and wanting to manage to get by. Then I don't think it's bad people read up on it to help themselves.
@@junrobin9335 respectfully, I disagree. To a lay person cluster C personality disorder, anxiety, under socialization, or even just being in a constant state of stress (and thus have less energy to socialize) can all mimic autism's symptoms. There is a similar story with ADHD (except more complicated because the treatment is often a stimulant/controlled substance). In regards to paying for screening: These are childhood diagnosis for the most part. A family pediatrician can diagnose you with it and provide resources and treatment if you are unable to get further testing. That being said if you suspect you have an issue than bring it up to your doctor and have them formally assess you. Self diagnosis even with research can lead to disaster and can lead people to act sicker than they are and miss opportunities they would have otherwise taken or getting treatment for the actual root cause of their symptoms (like anxiety). It provides an all to convenient unverifiable shield to further self delude. This doesn't even only apply to lay persons btw, there is a reason Doctors dont treat themselves (you simply can't be objective when you are assessing yourself). In regards to resources for low income people: A PCP should be able to connect you to services or to point you to credible resources (after they assess you).
@@junrobin9335 Self-diagnosis can be used to try and pin some kind of badge onto yourself in order to seem more unique or desirable, or to be used as a crutch/excuse. Everyone online is autistic (or ADHD nowadays), and while autism is likely both under and over diagnosed, it's seen as valuable. People want to be considered intelligent, and there exists some correlation between autism and higher intelligence. Self-diagnosis has its place in self-knowing. It provides a point of reference in understanding oneself where you can see the "archetype" (for lack of a better term) that you fit in or relate to. Treated as a step or a tool it's excellent in better understanding. Used as a form or a mold it leads to a new delusion (Tiktokers with ticks and Tourettes comes to mind). Professional therapy doesn't save you from this either; quite often they can act as a mold instead of as a tool for growth. In the end it still comes down to the person to understand or know, with therapy acting as a guide. A less blind guide, at best.
Ogata actually makes a cameo as a side character in the author's hockey comedy Dogsred - every time he showed up I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop and see the guy commit some kind of opportunistic hockey violence but high schooler Ogata seems to have been spared that particular personality quirk this time around.
I'm glad someone understands the uniqueness of his character. One of the things that strikes me as so interesting about Ogata is his suddenly brutal actions having a purpose of affirming his world view. In some ways, it's almost like he wants to be normal, rather that he wants to affirm that he himself is normal by proving that everyone else feels the same way he does. But when people inevitably prove him wrong he rejects this realization, either mentally treating them like anomalies or physically rejecting them by ways of murder. He's prideful, hard to read and anticipate, but he's not supposedly beneath common human desires and wants, no matter how horribly these desires present themselves. Honestly, Golden Kamuy is one of my favorite series of all time, just amazing front to back, love the characters, the antics the settings, the dynamics, and Ogata is one of my favorite characters among them
I find myself with a similar need for validation in how I feel, or don't feel depending on circumstances. I think, from my biased point of view, that guilt and remorse are utterly useless experiences, and I wish more people would recognize that. Empathy is the only thing I can't strongly say is useless, because being able to feel close to someone is apparently a very nice thing.
@@siriuslywastakenpersonally I see things like guilt and remorse as devices that help build trust and establish relationships between people. At the core of things, without remorse for ones actions simply acting in ones own interest is best. But in doing so it invites others to do the same. It loses the strength in numbers humans are so good at. What's more, in a society that values these things empathy and remorse, knowing who to trust and who not to trust ends up being based around these situations of displaying empathy or remorse. I see it as a silent emotional transaction, a sort of handshake I guess. Perhaps that's not quite how it feels, but how things feel for the person and how the machine of the mind functions are 2 different things. Idk, I guess these that standalone these things ultimately mean nothing. But they serve as elements that keep people trustworthy of each other (mostly) which indirectly results in having fewer enemies in a sense. Not that it's 100 effective, but the only way to not get backed stabbed is to literally surrender the benefits of a trustworthy group. It may not seem logical, and to a degree it isn't. But despite being a different form of one, it is still an understandable, tangible, almost tool-like thing even if I'm not great at putting it into words
Another great psychopath: Vincent from Michael Mann's Collateral. He's a hitman with no qualms about hurting people but tries to avoid collateral damage and just get his work done as peacefully and quietly as possible. It's only when his plans go awry do things get messy as he's not able to really DO improvisation like normal people.
I do love the back and forth in Collateral where Vincent kills the guy and puts him in the trunk and Jaime fox is like, "why did you kill that guy you didn't even know him!" and Vincent goes, "I should only kill people after I get to know them?" it's such a quick line but really gives a good look into what that characters motivations were and how he would act on them. Great film! Are we surprised Tom Cruise plays a good psychopath though lol?
I still don't understand why there's no movie or ova solely dedicated on Shogo Makishima's backstory yet. He's by far the best villain and character in Psycho-Pass.
Bringing up the humour and how Ogata relates to this is fascinating to me, since I remember seeing that part in the anime where Sugimoto essentially tattles on Ogata for not saying "Citatap" as he cuts up meat for this meal. I remember laughing at the schoolyard snitching Sugimoto does and thinking "Man, I really wonder how Ogata of all people became the comedic straight man of the group." So much so, I even commented this on a RUclips clip of the scene. The response I got back was funny, but in hindsight, after watching this video, is more perfect than I realised at the time. Someone responded: "I think he's wondering that himself." But as you described, Ogata has no idea what he's missing by not engaging with the others' goofy antics and would rightfully wonder why he's the only one acting serious while everyone acts silly around him. He refuses to say Citatap because he finds it idiotic, but he later does start to say it simply to get Sugimoto and the others to lay off with insisting he does. But all throughout it, he does not seem to feel anything and even seems to be unaware that he is missing the point. Asirpa explains that Citatap is made by everyone taking turns mashing the meat into paste before cooking it. Other than preserving everyone's hand-stamina, this is supposedly to create a sense of community and family between those that take part in the meal. Everyone is pitching in so everyone can take pride in the result becoming tasty, not to mention everyone has a stake in not messing up, since like it or not, you'll be eating it too. The chanting of Citatap is supposedly also tied into this, but Ogata initially completely refuses. Ironically, this way he isolates himself both narratively and symbolically, refusing to take part in the spirit of an activity that complete assholes like Ushiyama or broken warriors like Hijikata can find fun and engagement in. And the ONLY time Ogata DOES actually say it is in a later scene where he suddenly starts saying the word and everyone freaks out and acts like he came a long way. I haven't realised at the time, but this perfectly shows off him mimicking social ideas just to fit in and not be bothered by others.
Usami is not an asshole. Just horny. So horny that he killed his master and wounded his judo friends because of him sleeping with his master wife. He is lustful for a lot of things, including money. An asshole would not be a friend (and considered as a friend) to the perceptive and "pure" Asirpa. Plus in latter chapter, Usami took one for the team
I still haven't finished this , but thanks for making a video about the best character of Golden Kamuy. Golden Kamuy just makes you love polar opposite characters. I love Ogata, Sugimoto, Asirpa and even Usami
I'm going to have to disagree with you regarding Ogata feeling no guilt or remorse. Throughout the story, it's hinted that Ogata CAN feel guilt, it's just that he suppressed that feeling HARD. Ogata built his identity around being "defective" when compared to his peers and it's why he hits it off with his "worsties", Usami. However, killing his step-brother puts a crack in that identity. Somewhere deep inside him, Ogata did feel remorse for that kill; it didn't stop him from killing, but it did put a dent on exactly how "defective" he was. On some level, Ogata does seek familial affection. Being filtered by his mindset, it comes out as demented: killing his mother to bring his father back, killing his brother so that his father pays attention to him, and killing said father for both catharsis and for his second father figure's approval (aka Tsurumi). He was working as Central's double agent within Tsurumi's 7th Division, but given his habit of betrayal, I have no doubt he would throw his assignment under the bus if it meant he gets to be Tsurumi's special "one", much like Usami. Tsurumi was grooming Ogata with fatherly affection and talks how he would bring pride to his father's name. Unfortunately for Tsurumi, Ogata was too smart, perceptive and emotionally deafened to truly get hooked like Tsukishima, Koito, and Usami. The moment Ogata figured out Tsurumi's game plan, it's back to reinforcing his identity of being cursed. On your video, you said that Usami couldn't figure out Ogata mindset, but I disagree. It's like Usami says when he visits Ogata at the hospital: "I can see right through you!" Usami, being similar to Ogata, knows that Ogata started the mini coup within the 7th Division so that Tsurumi can pay attention to him, much like a brat throwing a temper tantrum. Tsurumi could groom his inner circle of soldiers (Koito, Tsukishima, Ogata, and Usami) spectacularly, but he couldn't pay attention to all of them at once. Ogata was the lower priority of the attention list, and that upsets him enough to rebel against Tsurumi, just as Usami deduced. Like everything else though, Ogata brushes it off, but that feeling still leaks out. The Yuusaku apparitions is the embodiment of Ogata's HEAVILY pent-up guilt of killing his half-brother. It's not that Ogata IS a psychopath, it's that he's a man who CHOSE to be a psychopath because that's how he felt he should act, given his upbringing. His moments of bonding with Asirpa is partly manipulative, but it shows that he is capable of attachment, given how much he sees his half-brother in her. Ogata may deny it to the very end, but his suicide reveals it all: his conception and birth was blessed, but he chose to be "defective" to explain why his upbringing is the way that it is.
Brilliant analysis , i was waiting for someone to point it out , Ogata just loves gaslighting himself to oblivion , he keeps denying and ignoring his true feelings till they boiled over and couldn't handle them anymore Usami was one hell of a detective
Also, when he said that Ogata was changing for the better when he said "Hinna, Hinna" And "Citatap". I don't think that's quite what was going on, honestly... If you take into the context in which these scenes happened, you can see it's when Asirpa is the most vulnerable. Be it because of Sugimoto, or because of Kiro. He says this explicitally because hee wants Asirpa to tell him the secret he found about the gold. He's manipulating her.
I like to write stories for fun and one of my favorite tropes is emotionlessness. Specifically the way someone reacts to their own inability to feel things. A family members dies And they feel nothing. They want to feel something, and dislike the fact that they feel nothing, yet they can’t even feel angry or sad at their inability to feel, because they don’t feel. So what now? Are they even human, or are they no different from a rock or a plant? They can move, they can think, but not feel. Even wild animals feel, so are they lesser than a beast of nature? What are they? “What am i?” Is the question they are left with.
One of the best mangas hands down and I will die on that hill. With some of the most interesting characters in animanga, and even then Ogata stands out. My favorite character in one of my favorite mangas. Thanks for covering it as it doesn’t get near enough praise from the community.
I personally really like the innocent monster archetype. The kind that does horrendous things but don't realize it's bad or don't see it at bad. They don't have a concept of bad. No hatred, no motives, just act like they want/according to their nature like the nameless in the magicians or Angry Matthew from Fate
Ogata is my favourite character I the series too. What's impressive is that as u said, he just needed to be himself the entire time, which is mastery in character writing from the author. Always happy to sit through long videos of my favourite animes❤
I cannot thank this guy enough, thanks to this video i started reading golden kamui and it became my favorite manga ever, a compeling story with great characters, plot twists that left me staring at the ceiling for 30 minutes, and that hilarious comedy that had my abs hurting, i loved every second of it
As someone diagnosed with ASPD fairly early on in life, and someone that would fall under the umbrella of a psychopath. You're description, and thoughts on the topic are really refreshing, I'm a bit annoyed with the "Psychopath bad" narrative since no one has a choice on how they're born. Or how they're raised, the idea that because someone is inherently selfish means they're evil, or somehow that I or most people with this disorder would get some satisfaction from violence is just not true. There are of course outliers, but that's the case with any disorder under the sun. I've been lucky enough to have talked to a therapist regularly and can understand somewhat that how I feel isn't normal, but it's not like I can change, or that the fact that I can't even bothers me. It's a fact of life at this point and I've learned to live with it. As have many other people I'd assume. Nice video also, might check out the series, seems cool.
read max stirner, he wasnt even a psychopath, selfishness isn't bad, its just propaganda by the ruling class to make you their slaves etc. to promote selflessness for the masses so they can sacrifice themselves like useful idiots for the elites
Why would you ever allow someone to diagnose you with ASPD? How old were you when you got diagnosed ? When I was in prison they had these psychologist or therapist guys coming around offering services in return for some benefits, but every person I knew who entered the program had a mark on their forehead that led to later prosecution. Of course this is technically illegal and also an assumption on my part, but given they committed no further crimes as they were locked up, and court room politics often take into account these unofficial things when taking a case in the first place, it seems like a plausible assumption to me. Anyway, that’s just one disadvantage of having an ASPD diagnoses. To address your second point, let’s be honest about it man, there is a statistically significant correlation between having ASPD and committing violent acts, or behaving very Machiavellian socially, so while it’s not always the case that people with ASPD are bad, it’s not the most unreasonable stereotype The fact is that most people with ASPD do tend to be what most people would consider immoral ( evil is a bit of a strong word )
Manga spoilers: The culmination of Ogata's character arc is that he never was a psychopath, but instead gaslit himself into believing he was to avoid taking accountability for killing his brother and to escape from the immense guilt it caused him. So Ogata is not a psychopath at all, he took the persona of one as a coping mechanism.
@@diosmios6775 Gaslighting so you refuse to feel responsible for your actions, Though that could just be an interpretation. though this is one, this one is VERY intersting a normal person choosing to act in way to cope with it, but then what explains him as a child choosing to kill a duck so easily? never choosing to wrap around the idea of something they see as alive. No normal child could just do that.
@@osmorca618 I do agree that he feels guilt towards Yuusaku's death. His final moments are him realizing that and denying it so much that he... well, does what he did in his final act. But Ogata, even from his childhood, has not been shown to be any sort of normally-developed child. While his ending does add a bunch of context, it still doesn't explain his attitude before he killed Yuusaku. Ogata has always been sick in the head. From very early on, he has been motivated by some sort of psychopathic tendencies which are what led him to kill his mother just to see if his father would care, and whatever guilt he felt towards Yuusaku only explains his tendencies during adulthood, but never the underlying issues he's always had, which is his twisted drive to do extreme things for unjustifiable reasons. I do believe Ogata is a psychopath. But psychopathy isn't a simple deal and Ogata might as well be in a spectrum of sorts, because by the end of the series he does realize a couple of things, but at that point he is too far gone and cannot take it. But it always comes back to his brother and how he killed him and what came after, but never what came before Yuusaku died. Ogata always had issues, but his brother and his death might as well have been his point of no return. There is more to Ogata's life than just his guilt. Or at least that's how I interpret it. I am not saying that what I'm saying is canon, it is just how I like to read into Hyakunosuke's character.
9:30 Ogata attacked immediately after Sugimoto said that he was doing it for the woman he loved. This was not a simple case of "this man is an obstacle".
Thank you for making a video about Golden Kamuy! The serires has wonderfully crafted and written characters and stories, it really deserves more attention.
I’m so glad to see a Golden Kamuy analysis video!!! This is very well done and I was completely still the entire time. You have a very nice style and a new subscriber 🫡
I appreciate your time spent not on just introducing the chosen characters and plot, but more going in depth of the internal concepts that these characters feel and how they “logically” (objective only to themselves) apply it to their actions and methods of living. Worth every second ❤
you're such a goated storyteller man, among all the youtubers I've seen dissect things you may be the best. Stand proud Living Deadman, you are strong.
Great job with Ogata dude. Golden Kamuy deserves so much more recognition. One of my favourite manga in recent memory. Would love to see another video of you discussing Tsurumi, an antagonist who I adore even more than Ogata. Definitely recommend making videos on stuff you like more too. It will benefit your channel.
Depends on the system in question. For example the ICD 10 lists psychopathy and sociopathy under F60.2 Dissocial Personality Disorder (also known as Antisocial Personality Disorder).
@@ryananderson969 Believing that we fully understand these traits or whether or not they exist on a spectrum are also considerations. These things often don't exist as a binary so making blanket statements about what is or isn't X type of person could just be bullshit. After all these are just diagnostic categories in an ever changing manual, not immutable truths. Rather than trying to define what is or isn't a psychopath I'd just focus on what makes a character in a story interesting.
@@Just.Kidding Everything in the psychology field is outdated in a year. It's an early developing field. Changes are normal. But people don't take changes all that easily. So even if it is outdated. If you grew up with the ICD10 and you don't continue to study then you're likely to not know the changes. Harping about what is right and wrong in this case also doesn't really matter cause all those disorders are just brought under an umbrella. And they all overlap in a variety of ways regardless. If you wanna tell people to keep up to date then say it about the exact science field. Changes don't happen there often so it's easier to keep up and it's not a yearly debate.
I like how, from an art perspective, it's show how emotionally dead/flat inside he is by his eyes not having the little white block that denotes the glimmer of light hitting the eye. Other people have "flat eyes" in times of action or killing, but Ogata has it all the time, even when he's smiling or chatting up people
I fell in love with ogata when i first saw him and just kept falling deeper and deeper due to his inability to think things through. He believes what he does is perfect in a world that clearly favors the comedic aspect for his serious disposition. Love your video and thanks for explaining why I love him so much as a character
Excellent video and it's always nice to see people giving attention to Golden Kamuy, which is a completely underrated manga. However, one pet peeve I have with this video is how Ogata's competence, level headedness and intelligence are presented as traits that he has because of his psychopathy... which isn't really that true. Ogata just happens to be a very intelligent intelligent psychopath, but the two traits aren't necessarily tied together. In fact, studies suggest that most psychopaths have learning disabilities due to a lack of motivation and the inability to learn from their mistakes. Also, I might add that acting in a coldly logical manner is not exclusive to psychopaths, since it's a skill that almost anyone can learn (professional soldiers, surgeons, firefighters, etc all have to learn how to shut down their emotions and act in a cold, analytical manner in order to perform their profession). Besides, what's "logical" and what's not vary a lot between individuals due to different values, goals and experience, so a perfectly logical choice for one person might be completely illogical for someone else. In short, Ogata is a very talented soldier and an intelligent person who happens to suffer from psychopathy.
I work with a Phychopath, its very noticeable espatally because of the nature of work. he was a mental health nurse for years before joining us and as weird as it sounds was perfect for the roll. he's a great guy wound't say nice guy but we get along well and he's the funniest dude that takes zero shit from any one.
Great analysis! Funny enough, I finished Golden Kamuy yesterday so perfect timing! I can't decide on a favorite character but Ogata is close to be the one. His role in the story was amazing and him constantly switching sides was thrilling. You never knew what he would do next. Also, I learned that I was mixing up sociopath and psychopath. You explained it all very well, so thanks!
sociopath and psychopath are not real medical terms. when people say there is a difference its just qauckry. Both full under sometthig call antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). I hate it whe people spread misinformation.
Actual psychologist here - i really like your video and especially the intro/goal of highlighting such a great and realistic character. Ogata and Golden Kamuy are one of my favourites for a reason, just an excellent manga with excellent character writing. Some corrections, 1. sociophaty is not used anymore in clinical setting, it is now under the anti-social personality disorder (ASDP) numbrella along with psychpathy, though it is considered the 'tamer' version in laymans terms 2. the "cold calulated genius' hannibal lecter-eque psychopath is mostly a media myth. while there are indeed people like this (ntelligent, high-funcioning, usually from higher socioeconomic background who end up as CEOs doctors etc), most psychopats are sutpid violent criminals who end up jailed over some domestic violence or small time robbery/vandalism charges, as they are 75% of the prison population. the reason i dislike Anton Chigurh's character - a psychopath like him wouldnt be going around fucking with small store owners for the gain of ?potential arrest?, he'd be on Wall Street. 3. personally i'd ineed put Ogata under that ASPD umbrella, though with some narcisistic tendencies/ maybe he even hits the NPD criteria. Usami is The bona fide classic sexual aberrations serial killer material king though Based on what we have seen of Ogata's mother, she shows boderline (bpd) tendencies - and a bpd mother/asdp child is a very common combo, as psychopathy is very closely tied to childhood abuse/neglect. in a way and phrased in an era accurate way, Ogata is right about him ending up like he did because his parents did not love him. Fun fact though, the face paint geishas used in this era contained lead, and lead poisoning does not only lead to neuroligical damage erratic behaviour etc, it can also impact the fetus' development. i wouldnt put it past Noda to include that knowing this.
Very interesting comment. Isn't BDP kind of an all-encompassing thing? It doesn't really seem clear on what it is. I do agree that his mother's psychological issues very likely had an effect on him. His father's absence just made it a lot worse; putting him on the path that he was on from the start of the manga.
Loved the video, very interesting and chill before having a good nights sleep. Golden Kamuy portrayal of soldiers being slowly deprived of emotions is somehow very relatable as well
Thank you for such a fantastic analysis Golden Kamuy is such a treasure trove for interesting and thought provoking character studies that it's a shame it isn't being covered more frequently
thank you! I love how ogata is written and I always thought it clearly showed him as a psychopath. I just couldn't understand how so many Ogata fans seem to portray him as a "hurt boy" (versus someone like Tsukishima) to justify his actions, when the moment he said himself his family were just people who fed him was a very clear declaration of how Ogata felt. I think people are struggling to understand why Ogata is such a likable character if he's a psychopath, but psychopaths can be very likable people, that doesn't mean liking them makes you a bad person. He's perfectly written.
I expect many of the Ogata fans who think of him as a "hurt boy" are women/girls and they over-empathize with him because he's attractive. That seems to be a common trend; it says less about the character and more about the person wanting to justify their attraction to them.
Wow this was incredible. You did such a good job of explaining such important subjects. This video is important. And the series looks absolutely amazing. The art and subject matter looks so good. Cant wait to check it out. And hope to see more from you 🤘
Ok you’ve convinced me, I’ll read this and I might even collect the manga if I like it as much as you do seeing as it has a reasonably small amount of volumes.
Thanks for an amazing video on one of my favorite anime series. So few people really talk about it on this platform so it was nice to see people talk about one of my favorite characters ever
I've gotta thank you for getting me into Golden Kamuy. One of the best anime/manga I've ever experienced. Even though, after completing the manga, I don't believe Ogata is a true psychopath.
This analysis is great! I personally enjoy an in-depth analysis or the concept or idea of character in any form of fiction and was looking for more videos like this on the channel. Good stuff
Character writing is what makes golden kamuy genuinely good , everything is calculated and has a purpose and everything converges to the gold , wich makes the conflict more thrilling to watch , and to top it of a great art style , what a read !!
Amazing video man!! Keep up the good work. I am so glad someone made a video about GK. I hope you'll a video about Tsurumi too. He's so underrated and imo one of the best villains in anime
The first 11 minutes of this video was perfect and I'm glad you kept it mostly spoiler free. Makes it a lot easier to convince people to get into the manga or show. So far, this is my favourite analysis of Golden Kamuy. Well done man. I haven't continued Golden Kamuy ever since S4 got put on hold but this video made me appreciate the writing a lot more considering how much of the first 5 chapters carries over into later parts of the story. Thanks for covering a VERY overlooked piece of Japanese media.
finally... a video analysis of Ogata. I can't believe there are not more of these around, he's such an interesting character. Great video too! You put into words many ideas about him I've been munching on for a while, and while I do personally interpret him a little differently, I think that's the beauty of complex characters like this. The one thing you got wrong though is that what Ogata told Asirpa he would do with the gold (26:33) was obviously a lie, as it was eventually revealed *SPOILER AHEAD* . . . . . ...that he wanted the gold not for himself but to give to the central japanese government, all to get a higher ranking in the military and rise to the position his father used to hold. Tsurumi believes he wants to do all of that to prove that even someone like Ogata (a defective person, corrupt soldier and an unwanted child) could hold that place, making it just another meaningless title (which in my opinion says more about what Tsurumi thought of Ogata than about Ogata himself). Now this is my own take on the character, but while Ogata agrees with Tsurumi and I think that's definitely part of his reasoning and what he himself believed for most of the story (never in tune with his own feelings), what we see in his last moments heavily implies to me that what he really wanted was to get to be just like the person his mother loved, as he very much loved his mother and just wanted desperately to be seen and loved by her too, something she was never capable of doing. He thought of himself as a very rational being, but when you look back at his actions, he constantly made very irrational, emotional choices... he just never really understood the emotions behind them. While I don't think any of his actions are justifiable, I believe that unlike Usami, a natural born killer, Ogata was made into one by his unfortunate circumstances, one who never knew love and never learned what killing someone actually meant until it was too late.
Yeah I agree with your take a lot! The nightmares Ogata had with his brother and the fact that Yuusaku's face is always hidden in his PoV are a clear sign of guilt for me. Him growing up without a loving parental figure, while having to stay with his severely mentally ill mother is the "terrible tragic moment that happened to Ogata to make him like this" in my opinion. I also agree that he is far from a calculating character like Tsurumi or Hijikata are, he self sabotages and has a distorted vision of himself. His actions are all over the place because he has no clear goal in mind. I think the scene where Asirpa almost kills him is the most happy we ever got to see him, he was willing to die just to be proven right. That's how unhinged and guilty he is
@@minimatica7514 oh I love how you put that! And yess, the fact that Yuusaku’s face was hidden until the very end (when Ogata was basically forced to face his feelings of guilt), and yet his mother’s face was never shown… I think it speaks of how that one kill was so traumatic it forced him into this emotionally repressed state, and the mere thought of confronting that fact made him want to end it all. It’s also not lost on me that he never had any trouble remembering the face of the father who abandoned him and his mother lol. And on that last part I couldn’t agree more, in front of a mad genius like Tsurumi or a master strategist like Hijikata… Ogata is just a funny little guy. As a side note I think people really underestimate how much Tsurumi’s manipulation worked on Ogata too… probably because his approach with him was a little different from the usual; rather than showering him in praises or presenting himself as a savior, Tsurumi instead isolates Ogata and feeds his insecurities and doubts with snide remarks (constantly reminding him of his lower status and comparing him to Yuusaku) and fucked up orders (like making Ogata try and get some dirt on Yuusaku to get him to their side, which also worked as a way to make sure their relationship stayed strained). I think it’s pretty clear for example that Ogata killing his brother was in fact orchestrated by Tsurumi, because while he eventually tells Ogata not to kill him, Usami follows this up by muddying the waters and planting the idea in Ogata’s head of killing his brother to test his father’s love. Thus, Yuusaku still ends up dead but now Tsurumi has nothing to do with it and Ogata’s loyalty to him isn’t compromised. And he did all of this while Ogata was convinced he wasn’t falling for Tsurumi’s tricks… a master manipulator. Anyways thank you for your reply! Ogata is obviously my favorite character and I could write about him, and golden kamuy really, all day hahaha but I will stop now before it’s too late to stop me 🙏
@@flyingchickens3149 I was literally thinking thatt!!! Ogata is unable to face Yuusaku and his mom even in his memories, but his father's dying moments were so clear it's almost like he was savoring it lol. I went back to reading his childhood chapter and it was so sick😭 he was clearly a neglected child. You are so right about Tsurumi, to me the worst part is that Ogata was probably aware of it. I think his manipulation of Ogata worked so well precisely because he gave Ogata attention in the most perverse, twisted way, since it's the only form of validation Ogata is able to accept. That way Tsurumi ensures that Ogata will come back to him. He's so fucked up, his discourse on manipulating love to make men kill was chilling. When Yuusaku and eventually Asirpa gave Ogata affection unconditionally he's at a loss on how to react because he was never taught how, so he keeps waiting for the ball to drop. In the end killing his brother didn't prove his father's love, but Ogata's love for Yuusaku. And facing that is what eventually kills him😭 I love Ogata too, Noda is a great story teller. Ogata's slow build of character was so great. He was at a constant downright spiral, it just kept getting worse and worse in a way that felt natural to who he is as a person. It must've been a nightmare to write something this hard, but Noda was able to do it very well. And in just 314 chapters! I started rereading it a while ago and it was even better then the first time. Anyways now it's me rambling lmao!! Thank you for your time, golden kamuy brings me so much joy too. There's always something new to think through, a moment you can see in a new light. It's legit one of the best manga out there
One thing to prove that Ogata isn't a psychopath , is how much he's shit at lying 😂😂 Ogata feels to me like an unreliable narrator , his monologues aren't always true about what he really feels
@@ishtarinanna4478 Ogata lying is my favorite thing because he’s technically pretty good at coming up with a believable story and telling it with a straight face (his only face), but he understands so little about the people he’s lying to that he always stumbles in the funniest ways possible lmao But you are right, the only one who fell for all of his lies was Ogata himself 😞
I never really thought of Ogata as a 'psychopath'. I noticed he's just desperate to prove other people are the same as he is, and he's trying to suppress his guilt from killing his brother so hard, perhaps also trying to suppress the realization that Yuusaku is the only person capable of loving him. I love how he's both so hateable and lovable. His character overall is enjoyable, thank you for elaborating his character in this video.
To be fair, PTJ's comics aren't about bullies getting beat up anymore and hasn't been for a long time. I think the trope only exists because for one, it seems to be a permeating issue in the ultra competitive Asian society, and two, it's easy to establish characters this way.
@@Smile-mi5bmJuvenile offender is honestly one of the better bully revenge stories I've seen in a very long time. Yeah it's way too over the top and the bullies are incredibly unrealistic but at least the MC actually is a character and isn't just "basic protag was weak and now is strong just cause #150"
@@Smile-mi5bm by the way, isn't it interesting how popular "revenge" comics are? And internationally so, too. To the point it is becoming it's own genre. I wonder if it reflects the frustration and feelings of injustice more and more readers feel against the world? Like, much as I like a good revenge, you can't deny difference between the "outward facing" goals of old heros (save the princess, the world, protect your friends etc) even darker ones and the "self centered" goals of revengers (I have been slighted, I will have payback)
@@blackfire6009honestly not surprised. I remember that revenge plays were very popular nearby Shakespeare time, and he even wrote a parody play based on that (one of his lesser known works for Reasons, including very excplicit ones). And I wouldn't be surprised if revenge stories, in one form or another, always were a thing in works that just didn't make it through the time. There's also a subgenre of revenge movies (for example, "I'm spitting on your grave") and it was only a matter of time it got to comics form.
This video was excellent! I read through the series a while back, but I missed a lot of the context and clues around Ogata's character. This makes me want to go back and read it again. I hope you'll keep putting out videos like this one and the Rooftop Swordsman one, I love analytical videos on manga and manhwa.
Holy shit a well written video essay about one of my favorite manga that is criminally underrated? AND it's about my favorite character in that manga?? I'm amazed
I might be overanalyzing Ogatas design but his beard makes his mouth look like that of a puppet, which would make and wouldn't make sense at the same time.
i really love your vid. this kind of analysis helps me understand why i enjoyed GK so much, and why Ogata was one of the most interesting chearaters. There is something therapeutical in understanding why something made me enjoy the manga and there was a lot of interesting insight on your part, that i would probably never figure out on my own
I'm glad you made this video, this is the first time I heard about this anime and it sounds really good. Also, the detail breakdown of psychopath and sociopath is excellent
Really interesting vid, gonna be checking out more of your content. I especially respect you trying to promote smaller/more niche work and combating the social media water-wheel of negative content for views, keep up the good work 💪
I realize how I probably got this recommendation because of the Murder Manhwa and I gotta say, I'm glad I did. I wanna get to this series, but not before seeing more of your channel, lol. Keep it up 👍🏾
Finally Golden Kamuy getting some love and recognition for one of its two greatest attributes: great character writing (the other is naked muscular men).
And to think that yuusaku's ideals had basically rejected Ogata's existence. I think that plays a huge part as to why he decided on murdering him in the first place [ even defying tsurumi's orders ]. Ogata's and Asirpa's dyanmic is incredibly interesting, and besides from the memes I really want people to talk more about GK as a whole.
I thought this was going to be a generic "oh cool psychopath in media" video with no actual background knowledge whatsoever, but I am pleasantly surprised.
It’s crazy how little people generally understand about psychopaths, and how common they are in real life. You might even have met one before and not realised cause of how much of a normal person they are
Maybe you don't notice if you only met the person once.
But after a while?
You WILL notice.
psychopaths are so misunderstood that no one knows its not a real medical term. There is no such thing apsychopath. It would fall under something called antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) which is much broader tthen what people mean by psychopath or sociopath.
That’s cus they aren’t monsters, they’re just less empathetic people.
Wow no shit 😂 but seriously it’s not “common” cause there’s only one digit percent of them atleast in America so not that common but that percent is thousands so you might have but yea psycopaths are just less empathetic people doesn’t mean they are bad or even evil 😂
It’s not common at all lol. You seem like one of those people who rapid fire calling people narcissist.
Ogata here shows one thing so many other fictional psychopaths lack; weaknesses due to his condition. He will make choices that hurt him in the long run, because he just doesn't realise they would. So many fictional psychopaths aren't hindered like that, to the point where they have all the 'benefits' of a psychopath (no emotions, no guilt) but none of the weaknesses.
Yeah a common trait of psychopath/sociopaths is impulsiveness or the inability/Difficulty to consider the long term consequences of their own actions
@@Destroyer120296 Yeah and fiction VERY rarely addresses this part. Which makes the fictional sociopaths into some weird superhumans.
But that has nothing to do with the condition, it's just how deep the person can plan or calculate
Funny enough if u want to see a good example for a classical sociopath look at boris johnson a pathological liar, who doesnt understand right or wrong (he brags about lying), with a complete disregard of other people (look at covid scandal he wrote his book instead of leading) and he has no impulse of long term self protection. Add to this his great ability to manipulate by changing his behaviour (he becomes a clown when he wants to distracts for example).
He is the perfect example of a sociopath.
@@Amine-om7yj If you think everyone thinks like you and your ability to feel empathy is inherently bad, you will take actions others might find disturbing.
The condition hinders you unless you learn to understand people through faking it. Ogata, living during war times, would have no need to learn those skills.
Glad to see Golden Kamuy get some praise for well-written characters as opposed to most people ONLY highlighting the, 'hurr hurr goofy character interactions' most people who make any videos or attention to Golden Kamuy. The show does have some genuinely good writing, not to mention it highlights a period and group of people most anime doesn't even touch.
Bcs it is what attracts the views, but fans are staying for the well-written characters, good story, history, and the culture.
Golden kamuy is so underrated on the west
I like the sumo Scene :3
The goofiness is an aspect of human nature, which suits it’s often slice of life nature. Life goes on, friendships are formed, until the violence begins again.
@@lordbiscuitthetossable5352 Exactly. It's why soldiers in their off time do goofy and absurd things. We all need a bright spot here and there, especially when you regularly deal with the horrors of war and death.
I love how the artist reflects these qualities in how the characters are drawn. They almost look straight out of different mangas.
Ogata has blank eyes. A smooth symmetrical face. His scars look almost like bolted together metal plates.
The protagonist has an almost wild look, like a wolf. Sharp eyes, and moves from fierce to soft. Scars reflecting his emotional damage.
The girl has big glassy eyes, and a soft shape. This reflects her innocence and kindness.
this goes to show manga can make characters look different without using colourfull hair
how do you not know sugimoto and asirpas names
@@jonesblack1742 I have an abnormally hard time with names
@@strikermodel remembering names sucks, remembering face cool
I think they still have the same style, but the author knows how to make facial expressions within his visual characteristics and he knows how to play with expression.
Haven't watched the full video yet, but Golden Kamuy in general just has an incredible cast of characters. One of my favourite series out there fr.
Same, It's so underrated. I just wished it got better animated adaptation, but the manga is pure gold.
Most ani-tubers only point out the shit that gets meme'd on when it comes to Golden Kamuy.
@@tiiatanner7616come on, pls stop with these "better animated adaptation". It already has 4 seasons. Japanese fans never make the animation a big deal unlike international fans and never rate animes from the animation alone. Moreover, Golden Kamuy VAs never miss, especially Ogata.
The anime is excellent, and only got ignored by Western fans due to the CGI animals in the first season.
I do agree it's little talked about overseas, and probably the best Seinen manga of the last decade.
@@dewifatmawati9660 same, as long as the animation isn't berserk 2016 levels of bad i can watch it. I dont understand those people who watch shounen, they hate the plots but somehow the fights make up for it?
I'm in love with how Ogata operates, weaponizing peoples' sense in morality both in and out the battlefield, but it sheds light on how he can be seen as just a hollow shell of a person, not able to joke around, laugh, get close to people.
It's poetry how the story uses sociopathy as a tool to lure out empathy, just like Ogata would.
I see you on LISA fangame videos. I swear to god, you're everywhere.
*psychopathy
even here? wow... such a cultured individual...
Golden Kamuy is so fking good. I can’t believe no one is raving about it. The world building, the motivations, the deaths, the fights, the trope subversions. Nearly a perfect anime.
It is in my top 5 anime. I love it so much
i also love golden kamuy, in truth i have only 3 animes that i have watched up until the last available episode and wanted more of so much that i decided to start reading the manga, and those are from my least to most favourite: jujutsu kaisen, golden kamuy and apothecary diaries.
What are the trope subversions in this show?
@@afrosamourai400 Character deaths do not follow the usual song and dance. You genuinely cannot predict who will die and when. The two MCs would typically be a Loli couple but they are not romantically linked. At least not as of yet. He sees her as the child she is. The villains are realistic and likeable. In fact, the ones you scream at for them to be killed on sight usually end up working with our heroes. Our heroes become villains and our villains become heroes. And back again, depending on the motivations and necessities at the time. You don’t know how upset I was that Ogata wasn’t killed after his first shenanigans and then again after he killed the father.
@@TarellHudson thanks for taking the time to answer, could you elaborate about the heroes becoming villains and villains becoming heroes?
And what do you find likable about a guy like the one described in this video? I don't know about the manga that's why i'm asking all these questions..
I like how Sugimoto, Tsurumi, and Ogata form a sort of Triad.
Sugimoto has is selfless with unselfish motivations, Tsurumi is selfless with selfish designs, and Ogata is selfish with selfish goals.
What about Hijikata?
@@angellover02171 So I love literally every character in the series, and I specifically chose those three for a reason. I think Hijikata is the same as Sugimoto, but spoilers below, proceed at your own risk, but I'll try to keep it light.
SPOILERS
Sugimoto, Tsurumi, and Ogata are all present in the final showdown (along with Asirpa), so they represent the three kind of people fighting for the gold.
Hijikata, near the end while he's hallucinating near death, sees Sugimoto as a younger version of himself. So I think they share the same idea of being selfless.
Further reinforced by Sugimoto using Hijikata's sword in the final fight with Tsurumi.
Ironically i think asirpa is the most selfish character in the entire story
She wants the gold for and only for the ainu and when she gives up on the gold she wants sugimoto and shiraishi to not take it plus she wanted sugimoto to give up on everything just so he can be with her forever
@@cgcurctct8ccottccricorc8rc86louder for the ainu in the backkkk ( i'm not ragging on the ainu pls.)
When the flashback of Ogata killing his flag-bearer older Half-brother was shown, I realized just how much I despised Ogata but could see his quandry. He cannot accept there are people with a moral code that runs opposed to his own beliefs shaped by his different upbringing. The most damning part is like many members of the 7th Division, he probably sees through Tsurumi's manipulations but can't bothered to oppose him as long as it runs in line with his aims. Golden Kamuy is full of characters like this. Such a great show, sometimes marred by....off-color humor.
Minor correction but Yuusaku is younger than Ogata, which probably enraged him even more lol.
when you say off color humor i think about that taxidermy corpse fashionist guy who made me wanna vomit
One detail I love is in Koito's backstory when Koito apologises over the phone to his father for not being able to be like his brother, and one of the masked kidnappers tries comforting him. Later, he tells that same kidnapper "Kill me! If I die fighting, maybe my father might respect me!", but it's only after his father does come to save him that the kidnapper gets visibly more agitated and calls him 'barchonok', making it clear that the kidnapper is Ogata. He hates the fact that Koito's father actually cares about him, something he wishes he could relate to. Noda is so fucking good
This whole interaction is what makes me think Ogata ISN'T a psychopath, he's just acting how he thinks a psychopath would because he believes he is one. At the end of the manga, he essentially says as much. This video is great and I'm so excited to see people talking about Golden Kamuy, but I ultimately disagree that Ogata is a psychopath. 😊
I did not mean to add that smiley face...
I was wondering if the person who patted him on the back was tskushima or ogata
@@asiah31 it is Ogata. There is also a panel/shot of Tsukishima looking (ostensibly in surprise/confusion) at Ogata for doing this. It's a little hard to keep track of who's who in the scene in the manga, but if you watch the anime episode back you can tell who's who based on their voice!
@@bellehuberty9457 Exactly. All this time, he actually feels guilt and yet he constantly denies it till the end.
People often confuse someone with a defiance disorder as being a psychopath. The entire field of psychiatry is really much harder than people think. Many psych disorders have significant overlap and symptoms often need to be drawn out and investigated.
We also have this trend from the 2010's of lay persons reading an article misinterpreting the DSM and self diagnosing themselves of others with psychiatric conditions. This trend alone has set back the field significantly. You can not objectively judge your own behaviors, thus any self diagnosis you make is going to be inherently flawed or in the best case prone to bias.
It's true that stuff gets annoying with self diagnosis. But I also think it's not always as bad as it's made out to be. I know plenty of people who couldn't pay to get tested. Usually it's more in the fields of ADHD and Autism than actually serious stuff. But them going something is wrong and trying to figure it out isn't bad. I've often given those people notebooks I used to get myself through school with a diagnosis.
It's not fine to just say yeah I got this! All convinced cause they diagnosed themselves. But it is fine to go, I suspect I might have this issue but I can't verrify do you have sources that might help me get by in life?
One is pure ego speaking on knowing a topic better than an expert. The other situation is acknowledging there is something wrong and feeling powerless and hopeless cause you can't verify and therefore you can't get easy access to therapy either. If someone is just asking for an aid to live normally and wanting to manage to get by. Then I don't think it's bad people read up on it to help themselves.
@@junrobin9335 respectfully, I disagree. To a lay person cluster C personality disorder, anxiety, under socialization, or even just being in a constant state of stress (and thus have less energy to socialize) can all mimic autism's symptoms. There is a similar story with ADHD (except more complicated because the treatment is often a stimulant/controlled substance).
In regards to paying for screening: These are childhood diagnosis for the most part. A family pediatrician can diagnose you with it and provide resources and treatment if you are unable to get further testing.
That being said if you suspect you have an issue than bring it up to your doctor and have them formally assess you. Self diagnosis even with research can lead to disaster and can lead people to act sicker than they are and miss opportunities they would have otherwise taken or getting treatment for the actual root cause of their symptoms (like anxiety). It provides an all to convenient unverifiable shield to further self delude. This doesn't even only apply to lay persons btw, there is a reason Doctors dont treat themselves (you simply can't be objective when you are assessing yourself).
In regards to resources for low income people: A PCP should be able to connect you to services or to point you to credible resources (after they assess you).
@@junrobin9335 Self-diagnosis can be used to try and pin some kind of badge onto yourself in order to seem more unique or desirable, or to be used as a crutch/excuse. Everyone online is autistic (or ADHD nowadays), and while autism is likely both under and over diagnosed, it's seen as valuable. People want to be considered intelligent, and there exists some correlation between autism and higher intelligence.
Self-diagnosis has its place in self-knowing. It provides a point of reference in understanding oneself where you can see the "archetype" (for lack of a better term) that you fit in or relate to. Treated as a step or a tool it's excellent in better understanding. Used as a form or a mold it leads to a new delusion (Tiktokers with ticks and Tourettes comes to mind). Professional therapy doesn't save you from this either; quite often they can act as a mold instead of as a tool for growth. In the end it still comes down to the person to understand or know, with therapy acting as a guide. A less blind guide, at best.
Ogata actually makes a cameo as a side character in the author's hockey comedy Dogsred - every time he showed up I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop and see the guy commit some kind of opportunistic hockey violence but high schooler Ogata seems to have been spared that particular personality quirk this time around.
It's not cameo. He's a character named Tsunemaru Youta, a goalkeeper.
Noda seems to love recycling character designs and seeing how perfect he made them the first time , i don't really blame him
@@ishtarinanna4478 I'm all in for recycled character designs
@@ishtarinanna4478 kinda reminds me of how old mangaka like tezuka osamu reusing his characters
i headcanon he has the same personality, he's just got therapy
I'm glad someone understands the uniqueness of his character. One of the things that strikes me as so interesting about Ogata is his suddenly brutal actions having a purpose of affirming his world view. In some ways, it's almost like he wants to be normal, rather that he wants to affirm that he himself is normal by proving that everyone else feels the same way he does.
But when people inevitably prove him wrong he rejects this realization, either mentally treating them like anomalies or physically rejecting them by ways of murder.
He's prideful, hard to read and anticipate, but he's not supposedly beneath common human desires and wants, no matter how horribly these desires present themselves. Honestly, Golden Kamuy is one of my favorite series of all time, just amazing front to back, love the characters, the antics the settings, the dynamics, and Ogata is one of my favorite characters among them
I find myself with a similar need for validation in how I feel, or don't feel depending on circumstances. I think, from my biased point of view, that guilt and remorse are utterly useless experiences, and I wish more people would recognize that. Empathy is the only thing I can't strongly say is useless, because being able to feel close to someone is apparently a very nice thing.
@@siriuslywastakenwhy is it useless?
@@vivvy_0 there's nothing guilt and remorse can achieve that can be done without.
@@siriuslywastakenpersonally I see things like guilt and remorse as devices that help build trust and establish relationships between people. At the core of things, without remorse for ones actions simply acting in ones own interest is best. But in doing so it invites others to do the same. It loses the strength in numbers humans are so good at.
What's more, in a society that values these things empathy and remorse, knowing who to trust and who not to trust ends up being based around these situations of displaying empathy or remorse.
I see it as a silent emotional transaction, a sort of handshake I guess. Perhaps that's not quite how it feels, but how things feel for the person and how the machine of the mind functions are 2 different things.
Idk, I guess these that standalone these things ultimately mean nothing. But they serve as elements that keep people trustworthy of each other (mostly) which indirectly results in having fewer enemies in a sense. Not that it's 100 effective, but the only way to not get backed stabbed is to literally surrender the benefits of a trustworthy group.
It may not seem logical, and to a degree it isn't. But despite being a different form of one, it is still an understandable, tangible, almost tool-like thing even if I'm not great at putting it into words
Another great psychopath: Vincent from Michael Mann's Collateral. He's a hitman with no qualms about hurting people but tries to avoid collateral damage and just get his work done as peacefully and quietly as possible. It's only when his plans go awry do things get messy as he's not able to really DO improvisation like normal people.
great movie that was
The most accurate depiction of a psychopath I've seen is from a 88' movie called The Vanishing. It's incredible.
I do love the back and forth in Collateral where Vincent kills the guy and puts him in the trunk and Jaime fox is like, "why did you kill that guy you didn't even know him!" and Vincent goes, "I should only kill people after I get to know them?" it's such a quick line but really gives a good look into what that characters motivations were and how he would act on them. Great film! Are we surprised Tom Cruise plays a good psychopath though lol?
Ogata has been one of my favourite characters since the end of the manga. Thank you so much for giving him this deserved spotlight!
It's been a really long time, but I remember the antagonist from Psychopass as a extremely memorable psychopath, absolute masterpiece of a anime
Makishima was the name of antagonist I think
@@T0n1_24 One of the few villains who is totally reprehensible in every way... but still right for doing what he did in a sick, twisted sort of way.
@@jordanloux3883 yeah I absolutely agree
I still don't understand why there's no movie or ova solely dedicated on Shogo Makishima's backstory yet. He's by far the best villain and character in Psycho-Pass.
Shogo
Bringing up the humour and how Ogata relates to this is fascinating to me, since I remember seeing that part in the anime where Sugimoto essentially tattles on Ogata for not saying "Citatap" as he cuts up meat for this meal. I remember laughing at the schoolyard snitching Sugimoto does and thinking "Man, I really wonder how Ogata of all people became the comedic straight man of the group." So much so, I even commented this on a RUclips clip of the scene. The response I got back was funny, but in hindsight, after watching this video, is more perfect than I realised at the time. Someone responded: "I think he's wondering that himself."
But as you described, Ogata has no idea what he's missing by not engaging with the others' goofy antics and would rightfully wonder why he's the only one acting serious while everyone acts silly around him. He refuses to say Citatap because he finds it idiotic, but he later does start to say it simply to get Sugimoto and the others to lay off with insisting he does. But all throughout it, he does not seem to feel anything and even seems to be unaware that he is missing the point.
Asirpa explains that Citatap is made by everyone taking turns mashing the meat into paste before cooking it. Other than preserving everyone's hand-stamina, this is supposedly to create a sense of community and family between those that take part in the meal. Everyone is pitching in so everyone can take pride in the result becoming tasty, not to mention everyone has a stake in not messing up, since like it or not, you'll be eating it too. The chanting of Citatap is supposedly also tied into this, but Ogata initially completely refuses. Ironically, this way he isolates himself both narratively and symbolically, refusing to take part in the spirit of an activity that complete assholes like Ushiyama or broken warriors like Hijikata can find fun and engagement in.
And the ONLY time Ogata DOES actually say it is in a later scene where he suddenly starts saying the word and everyone freaks out and acts like he came a long way. I haven't realised at the time, but this perfectly shows off him mimicking social ideas just to fit in and not be bothered by others.
Usami is not an asshole. Just horny. So horny that he killed his master and wounded his judo friends because of him sleeping with his master wife. He is lustful for a lot of things, including money. An asshole would not be a friend (and considered as a friend) to the perceptive and "pure" Asirpa. Plus in latter chapter, Usami took one for the team
I still haven't finished this , but thanks for making a video about the best character of Golden Kamuy.
Golden Kamuy just makes you love polar opposite characters. I love Ogata, Sugimoto, Asirpa and even Usami
I'm going to have to disagree with you regarding Ogata feeling no guilt or remorse. Throughout the story, it's hinted that Ogata CAN feel guilt, it's just that he suppressed that feeling HARD. Ogata built his identity around being "defective" when compared to his peers and it's why he hits it off with his "worsties", Usami. However, killing his step-brother puts a crack in that identity. Somewhere deep inside him, Ogata did feel remorse for that kill; it didn't stop him from killing, but it did put a dent on exactly how "defective" he was.
On some level, Ogata does seek familial affection. Being filtered by his mindset, it comes out as demented: killing his mother to bring his father back, killing his brother so that his father pays attention to him, and killing said father for both catharsis and for his second father figure's approval (aka Tsurumi). He was working as Central's double agent within Tsurumi's 7th Division, but given his habit of betrayal, I have no doubt he would throw his assignment under the bus if it meant he gets to be Tsurumi's special "one", much like Usami. Tsurumi was grooming Ogata with fatherly affection and talks how he would bring pride to his father's name. Unfortunately for Tsurumi, Ogata was too smart, perceptive and emotionally deafened to truly get hooked like Tsukishima, Koito, and Usami. The moment Ogata figured out Tsurumi's game plan, it's back to reinforcing his identity of being cursed.
On your video, you said that Usami couldn't figure out Ogata mindset, but I disagree. It's like Usami says when he visits Ogata at the hospital: "I can see right through you!"
Usami, being similar to Ogata, knows that Ogata started the mini coup within the 7th Division so that Tsurumi can pay attention to him, much like a brat throwing a temper tantrum. Tsurumi could groom his inner circle of soldiers (Koito, Tsukishima, Ogata, and Usami) spectacularly, but he couldn't pay attention to all of them at once. Ogata was the lower priority of the attention list, and that upsets him enough to rebel against Tsurumi, just as Usami deduced. Like everything else though, Ogata brushes it off, but that feeling still leaks out.
The Yuusaku apparitions is the embodiment of Ogata's HEAVILY pent-up guilt of killing his half-brother. It's not that Ogata IS a psychopath, it's that he's a man who CHOSE to be a psychopath because that's how he felt he should act, given his upbringing. His moments of bonding with Asirpa is partly manipulative, but it shows that he is capable of attachment, given how much he sees his half-brother in her. Ogata may deny it to the very end, but his suicide reveals it all: his conception and birth was blessed, but he chose to be "defective" to explain why his upbringing is the way that it is.
Brilliant analysis , i was waiting for someone to point it out ,
Ogata just loves gaslighting himself to oblivion , he keeps denying and ignoring his true feelings till they boiled over and couldn't handle them anymore
Usami was one hell of a detective
@@ishtarinanna4478 Once again the fault lies you with Ishmael
Would you say Doma from Demon Slayer is the perfect psycho?
thank you for this perfectly worded analysis
Also, when he said that Ogata was changing for the better when he said "Hinna, Hinna" And "Citatap". I don't think that's quite what was going on, honestly... If you take into the context in which these scenes happened, you can see it's when Asirpa is the most vulnerable. Be it because of Sugimoto, or because of Kiro. He says this explicitally because hee wants Asirpa to tell him the secret he found about the gold. He's manipulating her.
I like to write stories for fun and one of my favorite tropes is emotionlessness. Specifically the way someone reacts to their own inability to feel things.
A family members dies And they feel nothing. They want to feel something, and dislike the fact that they feel nothing, yet they can’t even feel angry or sad at their inability to feel, because they don’t feel.
So what now? Are they even human, or are they no different from a rock or a plant? They can move, they can think, but not feel. Even wild animals feel, so are they lesser than a beast of nature? What are they?
“What am i?” Is the question they are left with.
One of the best mangas hands down and I will die on that hill. With some of the most interesting characters in animanga, and even then Ogata stands out. My favorite character in one of my favorite mangas. Thanks for covering it as it doesn’t get near enough praise from the community.
GK video essays are so rare, thanks for this great analysis on ogata
I personally really like the innocent monster archetype. The kind that does horrendous things but don't realize it's bad or don't see it at bad. They don't have a concept of bad. No hatred, no motives, just act like they want/according to their nature like the nameless in the magicians or Angry Matthew from Fate
Golden Kamui is a brilliant series, and I thank you for making this video.
Ogata is my favourite character I the series too. What's impressive is that as u said, he just needed to be himself the entire time, which is mastery in character writing from the author. Always happy to sit through long videos of my favourite animes❤
I cannot thank this guy enough, thanks to this video i started reading golden kamui and it became my favorite manga ever, a compeling story with great characters, plot twists that left me staring at the ceiling for 30 minutes, and that hilarious comedy that had my abs hurting, i loved every second of it
the way you explain things and talk is honestly quite enchanting and attention catching. so glad i found this channel!
Thanks for making this video, because of this I’ve now read golden kamuy and my life is better for it
Very nice, tbh Golden Kamuy is filled with best psycho characters. Hope you cover about Tsurumi too soon!
As someone diagnosed with ASPD fairly early on in life, and someone that would fall under the umbrella of a psychopath. You're description, and thoughts on the topic are really refreshing, I'm a bit annoyed with the "Psychopath bad" narrative since no one has a choice on how they're born. Or how they're raised, the idea that because someone is inherently selfish means they're evil, or somehow that I or most people with this disorder would get some satisfaction from violence is just not true. There are of course outliers, but that's the case with any disorder under the sun. I've been lucky enough to have talked to a therapist regularly and can understand somewhat that how I feel isn't normal, but it's not like I can change, or that the fact that I can't even bothers me. It's a fact of life at this point and I've learned to live with it. As have many other people I'd assume. Nice video also, might check out the series, seems cool.
read max stirner, he wasnt even a psychopath,
selfishness isn't bad, its just propaganda by the ruling class to make you their slaves etc.
to promote selflessness for the masses so they can sacrifice themselves like useful idiots for the elites
Why would you ever allow someone to diagnose you with ASPD? How old were you when you got diagnosed ? When I was in prison they had these psychologist or therapist guys coming around offering services in return for some benefits, but every person I knew who entered the program had a mark on their forehead that led to later prosecution.
Of course this is technically illegal and also an assumption on my part, but given they committed no further crimes as they were locked up, and court room politics often take into account these unofficial things when taking a case in the first place, it seems like a plausible assumption to me.
Anyway, that’s just one disadvantage of having an ASPD diagnoses.
To address your second point, let’s be honest about it man, there is a statistically significant correlation between having ASPD and committing violent acts, or behaving very Machiavellian socially, so while it’s not always the case that people with ASPD are bad, it’s not the most unreasonable stereotype
The fact is that most people with ASPD do tend to be what most people would consider immoral ( evil is a bit of a strong word )
@@dream1430 Please for the love of God shut up.
@@dream1430 immoral yes evil? No less evil than the regular person you can ask tutsis in rwanda about that.
So you want someone with undiagnosed aspd go without any outside help or support for their condition?@@dream1430
Manga spoilers: The culmination of Ogata's character arc is that he never was a psychopath, but instead gaslit himself into believing he was to avoid taking accountability for killing his brother and to escape from the immense guilt it caused him. So Ogata is not a psychopath at all, he took the persona of one as a coping mechanism.
never read golden kamui, hows that even work lol
@@diosmios6775 Gaslighting so you refuse to feel responsible for your actions, Though that could just be an interpretation.
though this is one, this one is VERY intersting a normal person choosing to act in way to cope with it, but then what explains him as a child choosing to kill a duck so easily? never choosing to wrap around the idea of something they see as alive.
No normal child could just do that.
I don't necessarily agree with this take but it is an interesting interpretation of Ogata's issues.
@@terrabranwen2492 Thanks, but what's your interpretation? I don't see how Ogata's conclusion can be interpreted differently.
@@osmorca618 I do agree that he feels guilt towards Yuusaku's death. His final moments are him realizing that and denying it so much that he... well, does what he did in his final act. But Ogata, even from his childhood, has not been shown to be any sort of normally-developed child. While his ending does add a bunch of context, it still doesn't explain his attitude before he killed Yuusaku.
Ogata has always been sick in the head. From very early on, he has been motivated by some sort of psychopathic tendencies which are what led him to kill his mother just to see if his father would care, and whatever guilt he felt towards Yuusaku only explains his tendencies during adulthood, but never the underlying issues he's always had, which is his twisted drive to do extreme things for unjustifiable reasons.
I do believe Ogata is a psychopath. But psychopathy isn't a simple deal and Ogata might as well be in a spectrum of sorts, because by the end of the series he does realize a couple of things, but at that point he is too far gone and cannot take it. But it always comes back to his brother and how he killed him and what came after, but never what came before Yuusaku died.
Ogata always had issues, but his brother and his death might as well have been his point of no return. There is more to Ogata's life than just his guilt. Or at least that's how I interpret it. I am not saying that what I'm saying is canon, it is just how I like to read into Hyakunosuke's character.
9:30 Ogata attacked immediately after Sugimoto said that he was doing it for the woman he loved. This was not a simple case of "this man is an obstacle".
Thank you for making a video about Golden Kamuy! The serires has wonderfully crafted and written characters and stories, it really deserves more attention.
I’m so glad to see a Golden Kamuy analysis video!!! This is very well done and I was completely still the entire time. You have a very nice style and a new subscriber 🫡
I appreciate your time spent not on just introducing the chosen characters and plot, but more going in depth of the internal concepts that these characters feel and how they “logically” (objective only to themselves) apply it to their actions and methods of living. Worth every second ❤
you're such a goated storyteller man, among all the youtubers I've seen dissect things you may be the best. Stand proud Living Deadman, you are strong.
I just binged your last 3 videos and there god tear!!! I hope you keep up the work and that you will get rewarded for it!
Great job with Ogata dude. Golden Kamuy deserves so much more recognition. One of my favourite manga in recent memory. Would love to see another video of you discussing Tsurumi, an antagonist who I adore even more than Ogata. Definitely recommend making videos on stuff you like more too. It will benefit your channel.
good video my guy.
we'll look upon your future career with great interest.
he is my friend
Thank you for talking in length and giving attention to one of my favorite characters and favorite anime ever
What rubs me the wrong way is when people say "clinical idea of a psycho/socio-path"
When clinically speaking, those terminologies are no longer used.
Depends on the system in question. For example the ICD 10 lists psychopathy and sociopathy under F60.2 Dissocial Personality Disorder (also known as Antisocial Personality Disorder).
@@CaptianSwandsm-V no longer uses psychopathy as a diagnostic term it’s only aspd. Psychopathy is more of a criminology term.
@@ryananderson969 Believing that we fully understand these traits or whether or not they exist on a spectrum are also considerations. These things often don't exist as a binary so making blanket statements about what is or isn't X type of person could just be bullshit. After all these are just diagnostic categories in an ever changing manual, not immutable truths.
Rather than trying to define what is or isn't a psychopath I'd just focus on what makes a character in a story interesting.
@@CaptianSwan The ICD10 is outdated
@@Just.Kidding Everything in the psychology field is outdated in a year. It's an early developing field. Changes are normal. But people don't take changes all that easily. So even if it is outdated. If you grew up with the ICD10 and you don't continue to study then you're likely to not know the changes. Harping about what is right and wrong in this case also doesn't really matter cause all those disorders are just brought under an umbrella. And they all overlap in a variety of ways regardless. If you wanna tell people to keep up to date then say it about the exact science field. Changes don't happen there often so it's easier to keep up and it's not a yearly debate.
I like how, from an art perspective, it's show how emotionally dead/flat inside he is by his eyes not having the little white block that denotes the glimmer of light hitting the eye. Other people have "flat eyes" in times of action or killing, but Ogata has it all the time, even when he's smiling or chatting up people
I fell in love with ogata when i first saw him and just kept falling deeper and deeper due to his inability to think things through. He believes what he does is perfect in a world that clearly favors the comedic aspect for his serious disposition. Love your video and thanks for explaining why I love him so much as a character
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Thanks!
Thank you, Playboy the sequel
Excellent video and it's always nice to see people giving attention to Golden Kamuy, which is a completely underrated manga.
However, one pet peeve I have with this video is how Ogata's competence, level headedness and intelligence are presented as traits that he has because of his psychopathy... which isn't really that true.
Ogata just happens to be a very intelligent intelligent psychopath, but the two traits aren't necessarily tied together. In fact, studies suggest that most psychopaths have learning disabilities due to a lack of motivation and the inability to learn from their mistakes.
Also, I might add that acting in a coldly logical manner is not exclusive to psychopaths, since it's a skill that almost anyone can learn (professional soldiers, surgeons, firefighters, etc all have to learn how to shut down their emotions and act in a cold, analytical manner in order to perform their profession). Besides, what's "logical" and what's not vary a lot between individuals due to different values, goals and experience, so a perfectly logical choice for one person might be completely illogical for someone else.
In short, Ogata is a very talented soldier and an intelligent person who happens to suffer from psychopathy.
そうだと思う。軍人の家系だし将校目指してたのだし、生い立ちはサイコの前にくる。
I work with a Phychopath, its very noticeable espatally because of the nature of work. he was a mental health nurse for years before joining us and as weird as it sounds was perfect for the roll. he's a great guy wound't say nice guy but we get along well and he's the funniest dude that takes zero shit from any one.
Great analysis! Funny enough, I finished Golden Kamuy yesterday so perfect timing! I can't decide on a favorite character but Ogata is close to be the one. His role in the story was amazing and him constantly switching sides was thrilling. You never knew what he would do next. Also, I learned that I was mixing up sociopath and psychopath. You explained it all very well, so thanks!
sociopath and psychopath are not real medical terms. when people say there is a difference its just qauckry. Both full under sometthig call antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). I hate it whe people spread misinformation.
Welp, this has finally pushed me to start reading Golden Kamuy, so mission accomplished on that. Good video, man!
Actual psychologist here - i really like your video and especially the intro/goal of highlighting such a great and realistic character. Ogata and Golden Kamuy are one of my favourites for a reason, just an excellent manga with excellent character writing.
Some corrections,
1. sociophaty is not used anymore in clinical setting, it is now under the anti-social personality disorder (ASDP) numbrella along with psychpathy, though it is considered the 'tamer' version in laymans terms
2. the "cold calulated genius' hannibal lecter-eque psychopath is mostly a media myth. while there are indeed people like this (ntelligent, high-funcioning, usually from higher socioeconomic background who end up as CEOs doctors etc), most psychopats are sutpid violent criminals who end up jailed over some domestic violence or small time robbery/vandalism charges, as they are 75% of the prison population. the reason i dislike Anton Chigurh's character - a psychopath like him wouldnt be going around fucking with small store owners for the gain of ?potential arrest?, he'd be on Wall Street.
3. personally i'd ineed put Ogata under that ASPD umbrella, though with some narcisistic tendencies/ maybe he even hits the NPD criteria. Usami is The bona fide classic sexual aberrations serial killer material king though
Based on what we have seen of Ogata's mother, she shows boderline (bpd) tendencies - and a bpd mother/asdp child is a very common combo, as psychopathy is very closely tied to childhood abuse/neglect. in a way and phrased in an era accurate way, Ogata is right about him ending up like he did because his parents did not love him.
Fun fact though, the face paint geishas used in this era contained lead, and lead poisoning does not only lead to neuroligical damage erratic behaviour etc, it can also impact the fetus' development. i wouldnt put it past Noda to include that knowing this.
Omg the geisha makeup containing lead is interesting!
Either way I feel bad the way he grew up… there is no way it didn’t impact his development - for all the people freaking out about him hunting ducks
Very interesting comment. Isn't BDP kind of an all-encompassing thing? It doesn't really seem clear on what it is. I do agree that his mother's psychological issues very likely had an effect on him. His father's absence just made it a lot worse; putting him on the path that he was on from the start of the manga.
Loved the video, very interesting and chill before having a good nights sleep. Golden Kamuy portrayal of soldiers being slowly deprived of emotions is somehow very relatable as well
Thank you for such a fantastic analysis
Golden Kamuy is such a treasure trove for interesting and thought provoking character studies that it's a shame it isn't being covered more frequently
thank you! I love how ogata is written and I always thought it clearly showed him as a psychopath. I just couldn't understand how so many Ogata fans seem to portray him as a "hurt boy" (versus someone like Tsukishima) to justify his actions, when the moment he said himself his family were just people who fed him was a very clear declaration of how Ogata felt. I think people are struggling to understand why Ogata is such a likable character if he's a psychopath, but psychopaths can be very likable people, that doesn't mean liking them makes you a bad person. He's perfectly written.
I expect many of the Ogata fans who think of him as a "hurt boy" are women/girls and they over-empathize with him because he's attractive. That seems to be a common trend; it says less about the character and more about the person wanting to justify their attraction to them.
this is a insanely well made and interesting video thank you for this
This video was great! Really good job and it inspired me a lot. Thanks so much for this piece of work. You're the best!
amazing video. also thank you for putting the source of all the art and music used in the video
Wow this was incredible. You did such a good job of explaining such important subjects. This video is important. And the series looks absolutely amazing. The art and subject matter looks so good. Cant wait to check it out. And hope to see more from you 🤘
Ok you’ve convinced me, I’ll read this and I might even collect the manga if I like it as much as you do seeing as it has a reasonably small amount of volumes.
Thanks for an amazing video on one of my favorite anime series. So few people really talk about it on this platform so it was nice to see people talk about one of my favorite characters ever
I've gotta thank you for getting me into Golden Kamuy. One of the best anime/manga I've ever experienced. Even though, after completing the manga, I don't believe Ogata is a true psychopath.
It is criminal how few people seem to even know this series exists. It has one of the most well written stories and set of characters in all of manga.
This analysis is great! I personally enjoy an in-depth analysis or the concept or idea of character in any form of fiction and was looking for more videos like this on the channel. Good stuff
Character writing is what makes golden kamuy genuinely good , everything is calculated and has a purpose and everything converges to the gold , wich makes the conflict more thrilling to watch , and to top it of a great art style
, what a read !!
Amazing video man!! Keep up the good work. I am so glad someone made a video about GK. I hope you'll a video about Tsurumi too. He's so underrated and imo one of the best villains in anime
The first 11 minutes of this video was perfect and I'm glad you kept it mostly spoiler free. Makes it a lot easier to convince people to get into the manga or show. So far, this is my favourite analysis of Golden Kamuy. Well done man. I haven't continued Golden Kamuy ever since S4 got put on hold but this video made me appreciate the writing a lot more considering how much of the first 5 chapters carries over into later parts of the story. Thanks for covering a VERY overlooked piece of Japanese media.
im glad someone is talking about this. as someone who was recently diagnosed with aspd ogata genuinely represents what it's like
Want to say this video was really good, got me to read Golden Kamui and it was great
Can't wait to see more videos like this in the future.
finally... a video analysis of Ogata. I can't believe there are not more of these around, he's such an interesting character.
Great video too! You put into words many ideas about him I've been munching on for a while, and while I do personally interpret him a little differently, I think that's the beauty of complex characters like this.
The one thing you got wrong though is that what Ogata told Asirpa he would do with the gold (26:33) was obviously a lie, as it was eventually revealed *SPOILER AHEAD*
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...that he wanted the gold not for himself but to give to the central japanese government, all to get a higher ranking in the military and rise to the position his father used to hold. Tsurumi believes he wants to do all of that to prove that even someone like Ogata (a defective person, corrupt soldier and an unwanted child) could hold that place, making it just another meaningless title (which in my opinion says more about what Tsurumi thought of Ogata than about Ogata himself).
Now this is my own take on the character, but while Ogata agrees with Tsurumi and I think that's definitely part of his reasoning and what he himself believed for most of the story (never in tune with his own feelings), what we see in his last moments heavily implies to me that what he really wanted was to get to be just like the person his mother loved, as he very much loved his mother and just wanted desperately to be seen and loved by her too, something she was never capable of doing. He thought of himself as a very rational being, but when you look back at his actions, he constantly made very irrational, emotional choices... he just never really understood the emotions behind them.
While I don't think any of his actions are justifiable, I believe that unlike Usami, a natural born killer, Ogata was made into one by his unfortunate circumstances, one who never knew love and never learned what killing someone actually meant until it was too late.
Yeah I agree with your take a lot! The nightmares Ogata had with his brother and the fact that Yuusaku's face is always hidden in his PoV are a clear sign of guilt for me. Him growing up without a loving parental figure, while having to stay with his severely mentally ill mother is the "terrible tragic moment that happened to Ogata to make him like this" in my opinion.
I also agree that he is far from a calculating character like Tsurumi or Hijikata are, he self sabotages and has a distorted vision of himself. His actions are all over the place because he has no clear goal in mind. I think the scene where Asirpa almost kills him is the most happy we ever got to see him, he was willing to die just to be proven right. That's how unhinged and guilty he is
@@minimatica7514 oh I love how you put that! And yess, the fact that Yuusaku’s face was hidden until the very end (when Ogata was basically forced to face his feelings of guilt), and yet his mother’s face was never shown… I think it speaks of how that one kill was so traumatic it forced him into this emotionally repressed state, and the mere thought of confronting that fact made him want to end it all. It’s also not lost on me that he never had any trouble remembering the face of the father who abandoned him and his mother lol.
And on that last part I couldn’t agree more, in front of a mad genius like Tsurumi or a master strategist like Hijikata… Ogata is just a funny little guy. As a side note I think people really underestimate how much Tsurumi’s manipulation worked on Ogata too… probably because his approach with him was a little different from the usual; rather than showering him in praises or presenting himself as a savior, Tsurumi instead isolates Ogata and feeds his insecurities and doubts with snide remarks (constantly reminding him of his lower status and comparing him to Yuusaku) and fucked up orders (like making Ogata try and get some dirt on Yuusaku to get him to their side, which also worked as a way to make sure their relationship stayed strained). I think it’s pretty clear for example that Ogata killing his brother was in fact orchestrated by Tsurumi, because while he eventually tells Ogata not to kill him, Usami follows this up by muddying the waters and planting the idea in Ogata’s head of killing his brother to test his father’s love. Thus, Yuusaku still ends up dead but now Tsurumi has nothing to do with it and Ogata’s loyalty to him isn’t compromised. And he did all of this while Ogata was convinced he wasn’t falling for Tsurumi’s tricks… a master manipulator.
Anyways thank you for your reply! Ogata is obviously my favorite character and I could write about him, and golden kamuy really, all day hahaha but I will stop now before it’s too late to stop me 🙏
@@flyingchickens3149 I was literally thinking thatt!!! Ogata is unable to face Yuusaku and his mom even in his memories, but his father's dying moments were so clear it's almost like he was savoring it lol. I went back to reading his childhood chapter and it was so sick😭 he was clearly a neglected child.
You are so right about Tsurumi, to me the worst part is that Ogata was probably aware of it. I think his manipulation of Ogata worked so well precisely because he gave Ogata attention in the most perverse, twisted way, since it's the only form of validation Ogata is able to accept. That way Tsurumi ensures that Ogata will come back to him. He's so fucked up, his discourse on manipulating love to make men kill was chilling.
When Yuusaku and eventually Asirpa gave Ogata affection unconditionally he's at a loss on how to react because he was never taught how, so he keeps waiting for the ball to drop. In the end killing his brother didn't prove his father's love, but Ogata's love for Yuusaku. And facing that is what eventually kills him😭
I love Ogata too, Noda is a great story teller. Ogata's slow build of character was so great. He was at a constant downright spiral, it just kept getting worse and worse in a way that felt natural to who he is as a person. It must've been a nightmare to write something this hard, but Noda was able to do it very well. And in just 314 chapters!
I started rereading it a while ago and it was even better then the first time.
Anyways now it's me rambling lmao!! Thank you for your time, golden kamuy brings me so much joy too. There's always something new to think through, a moment you can see in a new light. It's legit one of the best manga out there
One thing to prove that Ogata isn't a psychopath , is how much he's shit at lying 😂😂
Ogata feels to me like an unreliable narrator , his monologues aren't always true about what he really feels
@@ishtarinanna4478 Ogata lying is my favorite thing because he’s technically pretty good at coming up with a believable story and telling it with a straight face (his only face), but he understands so little about the people he’s lying to that he always stumbles in the funniest ways possible lmao
But you are right, the only one who fell for all of his lies was Ogata himself 😞
I'm so happy for how you covered such an underrated piece of art and a masterfully written character
I absolutely love these brake downs.
So much can be found by opening up theses characters. Great video.
I never really thought of Ogata as a 'psychopath'. I noticed he's just desperate to prove other people are the same as he is, and he's trying to suppress his guilt from killing his brother so hard, perhaps also trying to suppress the realization that Yuusaku is the only person capable of loving him. I love how he's both so hateable and lovable. His character overall is enjoyable, thank you for elaborating his character in this video.
Yup, I could listen you talk about things like this everyday. Definitely staying for more
To be fair, PTJ's comics aren't about bullies getting beat up anymore and hasn't been for a long time.
I think the trope only exists because for one, it seems to be a permeating issue in the ultra competitive Asian society, and two, it's easy to establish characters this way.
Yeah thats true but the newest one juvinile offender is just a shitty revenge horny comic
@@Smile-mi5bmJuvenile offender is honestly one of the better bully revenge stories I've seen in a very long time. Yeah it's way too over the top and the bullies are incredibly unrealistic but at least the MC actually is a character and isn't just "basic protag was weak and now is strong just cause #150"
@@Smile-mi5bm it's just straight up bad imo. And in the same vein I'm glad how to fight is ending, when it should've ended 1 season ago.
@@Smile-mi5bm by the way, isn't it interesting how popular "revenge" comics are? And internationally so, too. To the point it is becoming it's own genre.
I wonder if it reflects the frustration and feelings of injustice more and more readers feel against the world?
Like, much as I like a good revenge, you can't deny difference between the "outward facing" goals of old heros (save the princess, the world, protect your friends etc) even darker ones and the "self centered" goals of revengers (I have been slighted, I will have payback)
@@blackfire6009honestly not surprised. I remember that revenge plays were very popular nearby Shakespeare time, and he even wrote a parody play based on that (one of his lesser known works for Reasons, including very excplicit ones). And I wouldn't be surprised if revenge stories, in one form or another, always were a thing in works that just didn't make it through the time.
There's also a subgenre of revenge movies (for example, "I'm spitting on your grave") and it was only a matter of time it got to comics form.
This video was excellent! I read through the series a while back, but I missed a lot of the context and clues around Ogata's character. This makes me want to go back and read it again. I hope you'll keep putting out videos like this one and the Rooftop Swordsman one, I love analytical videos on manga and manhwa.
I’ve never watched or read this series, but you have made a very good vid that has compelled me to do so.
Holy shit a well written video essay about one of my favorite manga that is criminally underrated? AND it's about my favorite character in that manga?? I'm amazed
Thanks to this Video I read golden kamuy and completed it, one of the best reads ty so much
Thank you for introducing me to such a great series!
I've really been enjoying Shark so far!
I might be overanalyzing Ogatas design but his beard makes his mouth look like that of a puppet, which would make and wouldn't make sense at the same time.
Your video made me start the manga. Just finished, and oh my goodness. Thank you for spreading awareness of such a beautiful story
i really love your vid. this kind of analysis helps me understand why i enjoyed GK so much, and why Ogata was one of the most interesting chearaters. There is something therapeutical in understanding why something made me enjoy the manga and there was a lot of interesting insight on your part, that i would probably never figure out on my own
I'm glad you made this video, this is the first time I heard about this anime and it sounds really good. Also, the detail breakdown of psychopath and sociopath is excellent
Really interesting vid, gonna be checking out more of your content. I especially respect you trying to promote smaller/more niche work and combating the social media water-wheel of negative content for views, keep up the good work 💪
dont know who you are but a golden kamuy analysis video in my recommended? im here for it
I realize how I probably got this recommendation because of the Murder Manhwa and I gotta say, I'm glad I did. I wanna get to this series, but not before seeing more of your channel, lol. Keep it up 👍🏾
instant subscribe, i thought your last 2 videos were whims, now i realise it’s much more than that
I love Golden Kamuy so much I watched when the first season came out and it's been one of my favorites ever since
Three videos in, and you're already an amazing channel
Keep it up, my guy
Just amazing, plz keep making vids like this.
What a great video! Never heard of this series before but now I'm gonna read it all
Golden kamuy need more love like this.
It's the middle of the night and I'm getting absolutely flashbanged whenever u do the white screen transition. W video tho!
Finally Golden Kamuy getting some love and recognition for one of its two greatest attributes: great character writing (the other is naked muscular men).
Finally a proper video about this amazing character! Thank you!
Coming back to finish this once the last season of the anime is done airing, great video so far!
This vidmight just be one OF THE BEST vids I have seen in like.. months or even yrs.
SUCH a good vid. Very entertaining!
And to think that yuusaku's ideals had basically rejected Ogata's existence. I think that plays a huge part as to why he decided on murdering him in the first place [ even defying tsurumi's orders ].
Ogata's and Asirpa's dyanmic is incredibly interesting, and besides from the memes I really want people to talk more about GK as a whole.
A man of culture i see, golden kamuy is honestly very under rated in the states i wish it was more popular here.
I thought this was going to be a generic "oh cool psychopath in media" video with no actual background knowledge whatsoever, but I am pleasantly surprised.
Thanks for the upload. Interesting. Will give this manga and /or anime a try.
Deftly handled, your respect for this woefully and so widely misunderstood trope has earned a sub, love gk love ogata and loved this vid