308 brass, fired out of fluted chambers leafes this kind of dirt/carbon pattern behind. Like all H&K roller locked recoil operrated semi autos (G3, SL7)
I'm real picky and would have scrapped all of those. I get so much free 223/556 brass there's no need to take a chance nor spend the extra time on them.
Plenty of free 223 brass, that's for sure! I have buckets of it, but I also think people throw out brass that is 100% fine though it might have a tiny(or large) dent on the case, and was trying to show that most of them are usable and will fireform out. Also, I needed to know for apocalypse science. I have a range report somewhere from taking these out. I usually save these for making 300blk. Thanks 🇺🇸
During the last “shortage” I picked up a butt load of LC 7.62 NATO cases fired from an H-K left behind as “range orphans” at my range. These I used to reload for my Ishapore RFI 7.62 NATO Enfield (which to me kicks like a mule using NATO ammo...I know, I’m a wuss☺️) using a 150 grain cast w/gas check using 13 grains of Red Dot powder (“The Load”...do a duck duck go or google search) with no issues and I still have my face (as old and ugly as it is...but as always with anything in reloading or shooting BE CAREFUL and YMMV...I enjoy your posts 👍👍👍
I'm probably not going to shoot the worst of the bunch, some of those are pretty scary lol. I've heard of "the load", but don't have any milsurps or bolt guns to use it in. Thanks for the comment! 👊👍🇺🇸
Small dents I wouldn't hesitate. However, that worst one "I" would have thrown in the trash bucket. I used to get a lot of shoulder dents (wrong lube 🤪) and those would usually fire-form back out, but I would also save them and anneal before loading. Good luck with your experiment 👍
Yeah, I'll probably pass on the worst few of the bunch when I get to the range. I would usually just chop these into 300blk or trash them all together. I haven't had too many issues with the lube dents, unless I go really heavy on the One Shot. Imperial sizing wax is perfect every time as long as I keep it off the neck to begin with. Thanks, Jerry!👊👍🇺🇸
Very useful comments. In an "ideal" world we would always use pristine brass and not give a passing thought to discarding "ugly" cases. We do not, however, live is such an utopian world and reloading less than perfect cases might be a matter of necessity. You are correct in suggesting that at least in some instances dented .223/5.56 cases could be converted to 300 Blackout (which I don't load). Alternately, many of these dinged cases could also be used for forming 7.62x25 mm Tokarev cases (which I do load). Particularly in the midst of our current nationwide ammo "drought," it strikes me as entirely reasonable to conserve the reloading components available to us.
Simply as an additional "two cents worth" on repurposing damaged brass, I have also converted 30/06 cases to 8mm Mauser and used .308 Winchester (7.62 NATO) brass to make shot shells for a Colt Model 1911. Many of your viewers are likely aware that 9mm Luger cases can be formed into brass for 9mm Makarov. All of this is to say that sometimes the cases we glibly pitch as too damaged to use for their original function might well be worth retaining for an alternate application.
That's another great point. I have a buddy that converts his 308/762 into 243 and trims down 9mm luger into 9x18 as well. I was actually just thinking about how many cases can be converted or chopped down into another cartridge. Thanks for the extra 2c!
I have a 5 gallon bucket of Dooms Day brass, collected from the range over the years, that I hang onto, but question highly, when in contrast to brass that can be loaded that isn't defective looking.. This is encouraging to see this video, and now am wondering if I should actually go through and start loading some of those myself, so I know what to personally expect.. maybe bring along to the range to knock any stuck units out, isolate those from the rest.... Interesting.. I am glad you ran this video.. as I am always wondering if I should stop holding onto that bucket and run'em in for scrap?.. but now, I think I would load'em up and have them as worse case scenario back up junk ammo rounds...
I would hang onto it. Some of them might not be pretty, but they could still work in a worst case scenario. I ended up tossing those cases from the video, but most could have been reused or even chopped down to 300blk brass. I'm glad you found this somewhat useful. Thanks for watching brother 🇺🇸👍👍
the 308 brass that has the long ridges comes from a H&K G3, PTR91, or CETME. they have fluted barrels for better reliability in full auto. commercial guns get the same same barrels and chambers. some of those guns also come in 556/223, and that would explain the weird bulged lines.
Thanks, I think? Gotta mix it up from "watch me load this for the range" and "look what I did at the range". I'll probably not shoot the worst of the bunch, but we'll see.
Well thanks lol, sorry. It's sometimes hard to hear tone or inflection through a message. Glad to know somebody finds this nonsense somewhat informative 👊👍🇺🇸
Thanks! Hopefully there was something useful in there. I think you can get to the range review from one of the cards at the end, if not, then on the 223 playlist shortly behind this video 👊🇺🇲
I might be tempted if it was very rare, extremely hard to get brass for some unusual caliber but for things like 9mm & .223 which is as free as dirt where I live , then I pass on all damage no matter how little. All the damaged brass gets added to my "Defective brass collection". Mike
These were totally free as dirt! I most likely won't end up shooting the worst few of the bunch. I usually would chop all of these to 300blk, if they have the proper head stamp, otherwise, they go into the defective brass pile as well.
Very good video, not many what if videos, which I look for since I'm relatively new to reloading, lots of info I was looking for, hope to see more like this
@@DummyRound same maybe with pistol cartridges, I've only been reloading 45 acp, and now casting and powdercoating my own bullets but really been getting rid of casings even with little dings because I dont want no chance of a catastrophic failure , but maybe getting rid of for no reason, I'm not really sure. Like i said, there isn't alot of videos giving solid examples of good, ok, and bad brass.
I only picked up 223 brass that was in piles of 30 or more and looked freshly fired.Same with 38 or 45acp brass. It's not worth the risks or wasting powder.
That one you didn’t know what it came out of is a G3, or HK91. Or a variant of them at least. It has a fluted chamber because the gas system is different. Edit: Actually I’m wrong, I thought that first round was .308. Being 5.56 it’s probably a cetme L or G36c maybe? I know the cetme has a civilian variant not sure on the HK
@@DummyRound same to you man! I’m in the process of building a G3 Right now, bought both the Cetme Kit and my dad gave me G3 parts kit. But I always wanted to do the .308 one. Just getting into reloading and picked up a bunch of bent brass. Good info in the video man
@@DummyRound yes. Every time I pick em up. I look, feel , wonder, then run em through the process or chuck some in scrap can! Every one, & that’s after they come out of my 3 different cleaning tumblers. Not bragging, I have 7 reloading units & work stations. My hobby went a little western wild!!!
That's a great idea, I might have to do something like that. I'll have to come up with a way to keep it consistent for each reloading. Should I do some of bubbas pissin hot hand loads to get there fast, or something milder to see how long they last?
@@DummyRound you could do both I guess, a short term test with BPHL's at 556 pressure and then a long term test with mild loads for the winner to see just how long it lasts. That could be a long term joke like, "hey it's 5 years later and the lake city brass is still going stronk" lol. Maybe even anneal the necks every now and then. The possibilities are endless my friend.
Yup, my PTR91 leaves the same marks, all delayed blowback roll lock systems have fluted chambers. Surprise he’s able to reload that. Mine chews the necks unmercifully.
They sized pretty easily, and the lines from the fluting smooth out almost completely. It would be interesting to see how many times one of those could get reloaded, if the neck and case head didn't get demolished first. Thanks for watching brother 👍🇺🇸👊
@@DummyRound Yeah from what I've read some ppl say no way, other have said they've gotten 3 to 4 reloads out of em. Good stuff! Awesome that you got a reload out of them.
They all survived. I have a results video from the range I can't find the link to right now with crappy service. It should pop up in the last 20 seconds of this video. Thanks 👊
Need to see how they reacted to being fired
There is a part 2 of the range report🇺🇲👊
308 brass, fired out of fluted chambers leafes this kind of dirt/carbon pattern behind. Like all H&K roller locked recoil operrated semi autos (G3, SL7)
Thanks
Thanks for the video, Doc, but I might have thrown some of those out. You’re a brave soul. Be careful out there.
i would have turned most of those into 300 black out
Went with a starting load, but I'll probably hold off on the worst ones still
That's usually what happens to these
I'm real picky and would have scrapped all of those. I get so much free 223/556 brass there's no need to take a chance nor spend the extra time on them.
Plenty of free 223 brass, that's for sure! I have buckets of it, but I also think people throw out brass that is 100% fine though it might have a tiny(or large) dent on the case, and was trying to show that most of them are usable and will fireform out. Also, I needed to know for apocalypse science. I have a range report somewhere from taking these out. I usually save these for making 300blk. Thanks 🇺🇸
The 308 came out of a h&k….. they have a fluted chamber! I hv seen it in 223 as well….. the POF Revolution is fluted some too
That's what I was thinking, but didn't want to be incorrect. Thanks!🇺🇸👍👊
@@DummyRound no prob thanks for sharing and all you do!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻✅🔫🔫
No prob, sir!
Military arms channel did a video not long ago with a rifle that had a fluted chamber
During the last “shortage” I picked up a butt load of LC 7.62 NATO cases fired from an H-K left behind as “range orphans” at my range. These I used to reload for my Ishapore RFI 7.62 NATO Enfield (which to me kicks like a mule using NATO ammo...I know, I’m a wuss☺️) using a 150 grain cast w/gas check using 13 grains of Red Dot powder (“The Load”...do a duck duck go or google search) with no issues and I still have my face (as old and ugly as it is...but as always with anything in reloading or shooting BE CAREFUL and YMMV...I enjoy your posts 👍👍👍
I'm probably not going to shoot the worst of the bunch, some of those are pretty scary lol. I've heard of "the load", but don't have any milsurps or bolt guns to use it in. Thanks for the comment! 👊👍🇺🇸
Small dents I wouldn't hesitate. However, that worst one "I" would have thrown in the trash bucket. I used to get a lot of shoulder dents (wrong lube 🤪) and those would usually fire-form back out, but I would also save them and anneal before loading. Good luck with your experiment 👍
Yeah, I'll probably pass on the worst few of the bunch when I get to the range. I would usually just chop these into 300blk or trash them all together. I haven't had too many issues with the lube dents, unless I go really heavy on the One Shot. Imperial sizing wax is perfect every time as long as I keep it off the neck to begin with. Thanks, Jerry!👊👍🇺🇸
Very useful comments. In an "ideal" world we would always use pristine brass and not give a passing thought to discarding "ugly" cases. We do not, however, live is such an utopian world and reloading less than perfect cases might be a matter of necessity. You are correct in suggesting that at least in some instances dented .223/5.56 cases could be converted to 300 Blackout (which I don't load). Alternately, many of these dinged cases could also be used for forming 7.62x25 mm Tokarev cases (which I do load). Particularly in the midst of our current nationwide ammo "drought," it strikes me as entirely reasonable to conserve the reloading components available to us.
Thanks for watching. Great tip on converting to x25, I don't shoot that one and wasn't aware it could be done! 🇺🇸👍👊
Simply as an additional "two cents worth" on repurposing damaged brass, I have also converted 30/06 cases to 8mm Mauser and used .308 Winchester (7.62 NATO) brass to make shot shells for a Colt Model 1911. Many of your viewers are likely aware that 9mm Luger cases can be formed into brass for 9mm Makarov. All of this is to say that sometimes the cases we glibly pitch as too damaged to use for their original function might well be worth retaining for an alternate application.
That's another great point. I have a buddy that converts his 308/762 into 243 and trims down 9mm luger into 9x18 as well. I was actually just thinking about how many cases can be converted or chopped down into another cartridge. Thanks for the extra 2c!
I have a 5 gallon bucket of Dooms Day brass, collected from the range over the years, that I hang onto, but question highly, when in contrast to brass that can be loaded that isn't defective looking.. This is encouraging to see this video, and now am wondering if I should actually go through and start loading some of those myself, so I know what to personally expect.. maybe bring along to the range to knock any stuck units out, isolate those from the rest.... Interesting.. I am glad you ran this video.. as I am always wondering if I should stop holding onto that bucket and run'em in for scrap?.. but now, I think I would load'em up and have them as worse case scenario back up junk ammo rounds...
I would hang onto it. Some of them might not be pretty, but they could still work in a worst case scenario. I ended up tossing those cases from the video, but most could have been reused or even chopped down to 300blk brass. I'm glad you found this somewhat useful. Thanks for watching brother 🇺🇸👍👍
What you saw from the 308 brass was fired from a fluted chamber/roller delayed action.
Cool, thanks👍🇺🇲
the 308 brass that has the long ridges comes from a H&K G3, PTR91, or CETME. they have fluted barrels for better reliability in full auto. commercial guns get the same same barrels and chambers. some of those guns also come in 556/223, and that would explain the weird bulged lines.
Thanks for the information👍🇺🇲
You're doing some interesting videos, man.
Thanks, I think? Gotta mix it up from "watch me load this for the range" and "look what I did at the range". I'll probably not shoot the worst of the bunch, but we'll see.
@@DummyRound lol. That really was a compliment. I'm very new to this, and this kind of content is actually helpful.
Well thanks lol, sorry. It's sometimes hard to hear tone or inflection through a message. Glad to know somebody finds this nonsense somewhat informative 👊👍🇺🇸
GREAT video
Thanks! Hopefully there was something useful in there. I think you can get to the range review from one of the cards at the end, if not, then on the 223 playlist shortly behind this video 👊🇺🇲
That one is from a fluted chamber if I'm not mistaken h&k g3/91 cetme c for the 308 version.
That is correct, thanks
5:38 Your worst case scenario. You funny. Thanks for the vid!
Thanks 👍🇺🇸
The striped brass is from fluted chambers. Usually H&K’s and their clones.
Thanks!
Nice demo,thanks
Thanks for watching!👊🇺🇲🤘
I might be tempted if it was very rare, extremely hard to get brass for some unusual caliber but for things like 9mm & .223 which is as free as dirt where I live , then I pass on all damage no matter how little. All the damaged brass gets added to my "Defective brass collection". Mike
These were totally free as dirt! I most likely won't end up shooting the worst few of the bunch. I usually would chop all of these to 300blk, if they have the proper head stamp, otherwise, they go into the defective brass pile as well.
Very good video, not many what if videos, which I look for since I'm relatively new to reloading, lots of info I was looking for, hope to see more like this
Awesome! I was trying to answer some of the questions I had when I started loading. Any other suggestions?
@@DummyRound same maybe with pistol cartridges, I've only been reloading 45 acp, and now casting and powdercoating my own bullets but really been getting rid of casings even with little dings because I dont want no chance of a catastrophic failure , but maybe getting rid of for no reason, I'm not really sure. Like i said, there isn't alot of videos giving solid examples of good, ok, and bad brass.
If no cracks, and is not flat, yeets
Yeet!
@DummyRound @5:22 that is the mark of a fluted chamber on a roller delayed blow back gun like an HK G3 or clone. 5.56 it would be a HK43 or clone
Thanks🇺🇲👍
5:21 is a brass fired from a Cetme or a Heckler & Koch with a fluted chamber, we call it flute stripe marks
Thanks! 🇺🇲👍
everything fireforms with enough powder :)
Even if they form into little tiny pieces and fly towards my face?
😳...🤣
Don't worry, I probably won't shoot the worst few...
Wouldn't you want to clean the brass first for a better inspection? Also, how could you run that dirty brass through your dies?
This was a while ago but I think they had been quickly washed off beforehand👍🇺🇲
I only picked up 223 brass that was in piles of 30 or more and looked freshly fired.Same with 38 or 45acp brass. It's not worth the risks or wasting powder.
Good thinking!
That one you didn’t know what it came out of is a G3, or HK91. Or a variant of them at least. It has a fluted chamber because the gas system is different.
Edit: Actually I’m wrong, I thought that first round was .308. Being 5.56 it’s probably a cetme L or G36c maybe? I know the cetme has a civilian variant not sure on the HK
Yep, one of those fluted chambers. I don't see this brass too often, but it works as well as the others. Just looks funky. Thanks and happy new year.
@@DummyRound same to you man! I’m in the process of building a G3 Right now, bought both the Cetme Kit and my dad gave me G3 parts kit. But I always wanted to do the .308 one. Just getting into reloading and picked up a bunch of bent brass. Good info in the video man
@@Troubledboy88 sounds like an awesome project, thanks for stopping in
G3 has fluted chamber, this brass at 5:19 is probably from it
Yessir!
Well if you have to ask these kind of questions, maybe you shouldn’t be a re-loader!! Just sell scrap !!
You never once questioned a single piece of range brass you collected and reloaded?
@@DummyRound yes. Every time I pick em up. I look, feel , wonder, then run em through the process or chuck some in scrap can! Every one, & that’s after they come out of my 3 different cleaning tumblers. Not bragging, I have 7 reloading units & work stations. My hobby went a little western wild!!!
I guess I'm not understanding your first comment about asking questions on the quality of unknown range brass. Happy new year.
Be safe DR.
Yessir! I'll probably hold off on a few of the real ugly ones 🇺🇸👊👍
Will it chamber? with the messed up neck rim. Clay
They all chambered and fire formed just fine.
Hmm 🤔 things are getting a little weird, have you seen ducky 🤣🇺🇸👍
I have not, but if my arm gets blown off, it'll probably end up wherever Ducky landed!
Fine steel wool the case and neck will also reduce tension..
Thanks 👍
H&K and Cetme have the fluted chambers .
I thought so, but didn't want to sound any more like a dumbass if I were wrong. Thanks, James!
The case with the ridge's maybe it was a blank round???
Apparently they come out of a fluted barrel looking like that, aka FAL or CETME style. Thanks for checking it out 🇺🇸
I got a lot of 556 brass that was fired from a Cetme LC
I get some every once in a while👍
If the primer pocket is good, it's good lol, other than cracks and case head separation rings
That's pretty much it. I've just seen or heard of people discarding perfectly useful cases, and thought this might help some noobies.
@@DummyRound you should do a vid on lake city, like a brass death match, see who's primer pockets give out first, LC vs rest
That's a great idea, I might have to do something like that. I'll have to come up with a way to keep it consistent for each reloading. Should I do some of bubbas pissin hot hand loads to get there fast, or something milder to see how long they last?
@@DummyRound you could do both I guess, a short term test with BPHL's at 556 pressure and then a long term test with mild loads for the winner to see just how long it lasts. That could be a long term joke like, "hey it's 5 years later and the lake city brass is still going stronk" lol. Maybe even anneal the necks every now and then. The possibilities are endless my friend.
Sounds like you're onto something. This could be fun. I guess I need to learn how to anneal some day anyways!
Hey guys my saga 308 dents brass is that normal
Most semi autos leave ejection or deflector marks on the brass. You're good👍🇺🇲
Why did he say appropriate head stamps for converting them to 300 blackout brass 2:44?
Some work and some don't. Thanks for watching 👊👍🇺🇸
thanxxxxx
Yeah buddy👍👊🇺🇸
strip pattern is from a hk91
Yessir, thank ya!
Where are the range results? I didn't see them in your videos.
There's a part 2 with results👍
Great! Could you share a link? I have been about to find it when searching.
Try ruclips.net/video/m6k7oANruic/видео.html
PTR91 on those 308s
Thanks brother 👊👍🇺🇸
Yup, my PTR91 leaves the same marks, all delayed blowback roll lock systems have fluted chambers. Surprise he’s able to reload that. Mine chews the necks unmercifully.
They sized pretty easily, and the lines from the fluting smooth out almost completely. It would be interesting to see how many times one of those could get reloaded, if the neck and case head didn't get demolished first. Thanks for watching brother 👍🇺🇸👊
@@DummyRound Yeah from what I've read some ppl say no way, other have said they've gotten 3 to 4 reloads out of em. Good stuff! Awesome that you got a reload out of them.
oh yea ....👍
Yeah buddy
How did they come out after shooting?
They all survived. I have a results video from the range I can't find the link to right now with crappy service. It should pop up in the last 20 seconds of this video. Thanks 👊
ruclips.net/video/m6k7oANruic/видео.html results
i got about 200 like that they all ended up turned into black out brass
Most of mine in this condition usually go that route 👍
I wouldn’t load those those dents changes the case capacity it’s dangerous
That's why I picked a starting load, but I'll probably hold off on the couple worst ones anyways, thanks 🇺🇸👍👊
Those dents are pretty much going away once 10-15000 psi of primer wave hits them
anneal them!
I'm sure it would help