@@Rash23215 I'm pretty sure this episode illustrated that nobody in her family ignores her. They don't understand her or really know how to communicate with her but, they certainly don't actually ignore her.
@@bolxons they do...... it's their family member.... if they cared for her by now they would've understood her..... poor halaena.... stuck with narcissistic monsters
With all of the teams hating each other, Helaena is the only character both sides truly love and feel bad for. Poor Helaena and her children she doesn’t deserve any of this. Even tho they tuned down the B&C scene it’s still awful like hearing them cutting the head is so horrifying.
@@adamcain4037 in the show yes. In the books however one of the men I think it was Blood actually raped her in front of Helaena and Alicent. In the books this happened in the Tower of the hand in Alicent's room, so a mother makes an impossible choice combined with seeing her daughter raped, and choosing her youngest son who was a baby to die, on top of a four year old getting beheaded they were not gonna go full boar obviously.
Haelena is the only Green Id die for. And to think how messed up shes gonna be after this with her condition. Also Im actually surprised Aegon was as understand on the throne with the village people…despite the other things he still is….
I think he just wants to be liked and popular He didn't get love from his parents, so he seeks admiration from others But after his son death I guess he will not give a f anymore
something you may have missed, rhaenyra’s dragon was the mother to luke’s dragon. so when they find the dragon wing…both rhaenyra and her dragon are mourning for the loss of their sons. it’s a heartbreaking parallel.
@@ben17ismI don’t believe it’s 100% confirmed, but it is extremely likely. Rhaenyra’s dragon wasn’t ever described as much of a fighter, but is known for producing some of the highest quantities of eggs.
@@amykate4459 Source on that? Still, in the books its a theory, headcanon at best. We don't have a genealogy about dragons. In fact, dragons seem to not give a crap about other dragons and have no quarrel in killing them, even theorized offspring. Syrax was probably just feeling Rhaenyra's own pain.
Oh me too! He tried to talk business, but he was like nah I need my mom right now. They needed to grieve together. Rhaenyra said so much with so little dialogue.
My impression in this episode is that Team Green isn't really a team. They seem to be, to an extent, scheming against each other... I expect that will be to their detriment. Aegon is going to be pissed. He seemed quite fond of his son, well, his heir... On two scenes (Rhaenyra finding the wing and cloak, and Rhaenyra and Jace), I focused on you and avoided the little screen on the right because if I saw those scenes again, I would cry all over again. 😭 Almost did again at the latter seeing your reaction.
in the moment of luke's murder, aemond definitely expressed shock, horror and regret, but there is no excuse that could defend it, nor any apology nor atonement that could halt its deadly consequences for everyone, so of course aemond would decide to simply shrug and own it, with an extra helping of swagger on top. what else would that character do?
It's also that or publically admit that he lost control of Vhagar, which would be a disastrous admission right as they're trying to recruit allies for the impending war. The Blacks already have a huge advantage in dragon numbers, and people are naturally going to want to be on the side that's less likely to get them burned to a crisp. If it were to get out that Aemond might not be able to fully control Vhagar, it would make their position look even weaker. Optics-wise, he's kind of between a rock and a hard place. Claim the killing was deliberate, further antagonise Rhaenyra, and be labelled a kinslayer? Or, while the eyes of the entire kingdom are on you, admit you couldn't control your side's primary weapon? Neither are great options, but given that there's no taking it back and that war is almost certainly inevitable at this point, I think claiming it was deliberate is probably the least bad option, strategically speaking.
@@-just-so- "least bad option" is the key. for even if he were to sincerely admit his mistake, who would really believe him -- a skilled dragon lord with a giant chip on his shoulder, after his brazen performance at storm's end?
@@Baelbard maybe in biblical times, but there's probably a good reason why executing children fell out of favor in civilized societies. besides, aemond had already conceded: "do not mourn me mother. it was a fair exchange. i may have lost an eye, but i gained a dragon" and otto later agreed: "the boy was right. it's worth 1000 times the price he paid." when his dragon ate luke, aemond knew he screwed the pooch hard -- that was not vindication written all over his face.
@@Baelbard Aemond's actions were understandable, as a damaged kid who was always made to feel less than the golden boys of Rhaenyra's side of the family. And Luke - or literally anyone - should have faced actual consequences for maiming him. Viserys had his chance to show Aemond that he mattered, and failed him appallingly. And so Aemond grew up knowing that he'd only ever have what power, or worth, or validation he was able to take for himself. And Rhaenyra coddled Luke; never once taught him or demonstrated in her own behaviour that actions have consequences outside the self, and that their impact on other people is important to consider. And what happened is the completely predictable result of giving flying nukes to a pair of messed-up teenage boys who have never once been taught to use their words. It's understandable - but that doesn't make it right, or deserved.
When I saw you were watching this episode I hoped somebody gave you a hug. My sympathies are mostly with the blacks, but the great thing about HOTD is that you can feel sympathy for all of them - it's been like watching a car crash in slow motion all along.. It would make much more sense for Aemond to be the Hand, rather than a manipulative worm like Larys. When you think that Rhaenyra is Aegon and Aemond's sister that makes it even more tragic.
1:25 HOD Opening: The tapestry of Targaryen history. Ancient valyrians practicing magic Daenys dream of the fall The fall of Valyria Aegon and his sisters flying over Westeros Harren the black Conquest of Harrenhal and the Field of Fire The North, The Riverlands and The Eyrie bending the knee without a fight House Targaryen established as the Rulers of Westeros The construction of the Red Keep The death of Maegor the Cruel King Jahaerys the Conciliator and Queen Alysanne Old King Jahaerys at the Great Council of Harrenhal (Viserys I nomination to the Thorne) The court of Viserys I split between Alicent and Rhaenyra Aegon II vs Rhaenyra I Lucerys death.
I like the ambient sound - it makes it feel more like we are sitting together watching in the same room. I'm for Team Green - I like Alicent's feet, so that's why.
How garbage and cruel people have become that they are willing to take sides with a faction that orders the beheading of a 10-year-old child and ridiculously tries to justify this crime with shameful excuses
Im gonna get a lot of shit for this one but seven hells here we go... Daemon has a lot of bad sides but damn am I glad he called Rhaenys out for not ending the war before it truly started. Considering what will happen and how many will die Im partially holding Rhaenys responsible for it, sometimes inaction is worse than action. Off the top of my head I kinda compare this to when Jamie slew Aerys II before letting him kill at minimum half a milion civilians.. Not counting everyone else whos fighting and dying in Roberts Rebellion. It has been a while since I read the source-material but Im pretty sure the whole Rhaenys thing didnt happen but I would need to check. Also they robbed us of one of Criston Coles coolest scenes, or as hes remembered, Criston the Kingmaker. Criston also didnt kill Leanors boytoy at the wedding, he was killed during a joust, way more plausable deniability. The shows first season usually leaned alot on amiguity (in comparisson to the source-material).. Hopefully they wont do it in season 2. Aaand just to piss of some Targ-die-hards.. The best dragon is the black one.. See you in about 70 years ;) Other than that, geat reaction as usually and you may now fetch your pitchforks!
I didn't even realize that Healena and Aegon were MARRIED to each other despite being siblings...I got confused in this episode for a little because I thought those 2 little kids were their siblings as well
It's easy to miss but if you rewatch Season 1, Aegon and Aemond talk at Laena's funeral about Aegon being betrothed to his sister Helaena. Then later on, after Alicent convinces Dyana not to tell anyone Aegon raped her, Helaena enters the room and asks where Dyana is because someone needs to dress the children.
@@markmckeown87 that is my whole point.. these reactors somehow dont see the significance of the question asked and the response? It stuck out like a sore thumb to me.
@@randallwilliamson3838 The problem is is that most people automatically assume Daemon told them to kill the child if Aemond wasn't found. I mean, sure, he could have. It would fit his character, but the cut away leaves the audience wondering if he really did. The show could subvert expectations and make it that the assassins went off script. Cheese barely looked for Aemond, and Blood was frightened the handmaiden was going to get the guards. What I love is that Daemon is so dark and complex as a character that he would no doubt order Jaesherys death with little remorse. But the question still remains, did he? Even if he didn't, it doesn't really matter because the whole realm will now blame Rhaenyra for the child murder.
I wouldn't say I don't see the significance. I would say I don't want re-upload my video various times into late hours into the night dealing with copyright by showing every scene that gives context lol On a serious note, it is very difficult to pick and choose (especially in episodes like this where things are all over the place and a lot is important) what to keep in when there's only a certain amount of the episode you can show. Some things get cut.....especially when I don't say anything in the moment. But just for future reference, I do try to be very attentive when I'm reacting. Just because it's not included in the edit doesn't mean I didn't watch it or notice it :) On a less serious note, it is funny to be called out for not including what Daemon said in the conversation when the show literally didn't include what Daemon said in the conversation lol
I said it last season and I'll say it again, Luke's death was Rhaenrya's fault PERIOD. She should have sent a raven to Storm's End. She would have gotten one of three responses from Lord Baratheon: 1. "I'm holding to the oath my father took & I recognize you as queen." OR 2. "You were named before there was a male heir and the report is that it was King Viserys' dying wish to have Aegon be the heir, so my father's oath is null & void. I'm Team Green." OR 3. "You look like you need some help to hold onto your crown there, missy. Team Green promised to have Prince Aemond marry one of my daughters. Make me an offer." There was ABSOLUTELY no need to risk her son AND a dragon, two valuable pieces. She gave the order, it's on her
Appalling take. Aemond is solely responsible for Luc's death. Blaming Rhaenyra is like saying 'it's your fault you sent your son to your neighbour's house to barter for eggs, because he got killed crossing the road by someone he hit at school'.
@@rtozier2011 You can't have it both ways. If she is the Queen then as a ruler/leader, you have to take into account ALL possibilities which include Aemond being there or even if he is not there that Lord Baratheon might side with Aegon and have Luke detained as leverage. The point stands. A dragon was faster but a raven was safer. It would have cost Rhaenyra NOTHING to send a raven. The buck stops with her. A ruler must take accountability.
Three things are considered despicable in this world. Killing a guest, killing kin, and killing an envoy. The Baratheons are distant kin to the Targs, AND Luke was an envoy. There was no reason to think sending him was dangerous. The idea that Aemond would do anything is foreign to her, since Luke was his nephew. She fully expected her son to be just fine. You blaming her is like blaming a mother who sent her kids to school and then learned they were lost in a bus crash.
@@trini_staple The point fell flat on its face when it was made and shall remain there forever. A person sending an envoy is not responsible for their murder by a fellow guest.
Since you didnt read the books, the war stated a long time ago with OTTO. Sending his daughter to comfort Viserys and his father. It worked with Viserys. He plotted to get Daemon removed as heir after his Gold Clocks went buck wild in Flee Bottom and Emma died giving birth. Once Rhaenyra was heir, he plotted to remove her once Alicent had a boy. If OTTO had not tried to put his blook on the throne, none of this would have happend. Watch the first season again and watch the plotting by OTTO. Or read the book hahahahaa The end with Blood and Cheese was much more grusome in the book. It was 3 kids and the baby was choosen to die. No saw was involved.
Incorrect. Had Viserys taken Otto's advice and married Rhaenrya and Aegon war would have been averted. Or conversely, he could have married Rhaenrya and Daemon. Or he could have called a great council. Or he could have spent time parenting all of his children. As Daemon said in episode 1, Viserys was weak. He's responsible for this war.
@@havok6280 WOW what books have you read or what tv show have you watched.? It was Viserys listening to Otto that started this whole thing. Remove Daemon as heir and replace him with Rhaenyra. Otto sent his daughter to Viserys in his time of pain to get with him. Once he married that whore, all Otto had to do was wait for Alicent to have a boy. Once she had Ageon, the then proceeded to plot with the small council to have Ageon claim the throne when he was a baby. Granted the show is different from the book, but same context. Before Viserys, Otto was plotting with Jaharey's. Alicent heard the proficey of a song of ice and fire and got the wrong meaning. She told OTTO and they put the plan in motion. In the book, Luke's death was no accident. And Blood and Cheese are way worse. Alicent has another son not there and Ageon and Helania have 3 kids. Read the book, Alicent and Rhaneyra were never friends, and Alicent is much older than Rhaneyra.
@@lellenny hahahahhaa you are correct. She is not 14 in the book. AND had Otto not whored his daughter out Viserys would not have been in that position. The hand is suppose to have the kings best interest at hand as well as the realm. I have no problem with scheming, it part of this verse, but scheming has consequences.
@@havok6280 Still to put his granson on the throne. Had Otto not pimped his daughter out, she never would have been in that room. Wasnt the first time he tried that BS. He also sent her to Jaehareys as well. Don't know what show you're watching or if you have even read the book. All good, Otto will get whats coming to him as well as all the usurping greens.
Love seeing a reactor who truly cares about Helaena 😔
Are there any reactors that don't?
@@dwnkaomwn3953 Most of them can't remember her name so... I would say it's safe to say they don't pay that much attention to her.
@@bolxons so they're basically ignoring her just like her family..... fitting i guess
@@Rash23215 I'm pretty sure this episode illustrated that nobody in her family ignores her. They don't understand her or really know how to communicate with her but, they certainly don't actually ignore her.
@@bolxons they do...... it's their family member.... if they cared for her by now they would've understood her..... poor halaena.... stuck with narcissistic monsters
Daemon: I wear a hood now. Hoods are cool.
random citizens: gee I wonder who that hooded guy with white hair is
Looking like cloaked kermit
@@dannybob42if I see daemon lurking around the city I ain’t seen nothing 😂
A fez is as well.
With all of the teams hating each other, Helaena is the only character both sides truly love and feel bad for. Poor Helaena and her children she doesn’t deserve any of this. Even tho they tuned down the B&C scene it’s still awful like hearing them cutting the head is so horrifying.
alarie florent is alicent’s mother who died in case you were confused on that.
The end scene is actually TONED DOWN from the original novel.
@@baknights14 nothing happened to Jaehaera at that moment. They killed Jaehaerys and left without laying a hand on the others
Which is fine. We don't need to see a child being raped on screen.
@@adamcain4037 in the show yes. In the books however one of the men I think it was Blood actually raped her in front of Helaena and Alicent. In the books this happened in the Tower of the hand in Alicent's room, so a mother makes an impossible choice combined with seeing her daughter raped, and choosing her youngest son who was a baby to die, on top of a four year old getting beheaded they were not gonna go full boar obviously.
@@baknights14mmmm been a while since I read fire and blood, but her daughter wad only threatened was she not?
@@baknights14there was no rape scene in the books.
Terriers were used for rat catching.
Terriers are my very favorite breed
Cute and cuddly, easy dogs to feed
Your reactions are the ones I look forward to the most. Always level headed and seeing all sides of the story, as it should be enjoyed!
One of my favorite lines from this episode is from Aegon..."the Queen is an enduring mystery, is she not?" 😂 I actually like Aegon.
See the dog's tail wag as it runs away? Happy pooch.
Haelena is the only Green Id die for. And to think how messed up shes gonna be after this with her condition. Also Im actually surprised Aegon was as understand on the throne with the village people…despite the other things he still is….
I think he just wants to be liked and popular He didn't get love from his parents, so he seeks admiration from others But after his son death I guess he will not give a f anymore
So it's not that he is some understanding king
'You can get anything, you can get a good deal, I will grant whatever you feel'
something you may have missed, rhaenyra’s dragon was the mother to luke’s dragon. so when they find the dragon wing…both rhaenyra and her dragon are mourning for the loss of their sons. it’s a heartbreaking parallel.
And we know that how?
@@ben17ismI don’t believe it’s 100% confirmed, but it is extremely likely. Rhaenyra’s dragon wasn’t ever described as much of a fighter, but is known for producing some of the highest quantities of eggs.
@@ben17ism i believe it was confirmed by ryan condol in press before the 2x01 aired.
@@SpiralSine6 i believe it was confirmed because all the major fan accounts on twitter were posting about it.
@@amykate4459 Source on that? Still, in the books its a theory, headcanon at best. We don't have a genealogy about dragons. In fact, dragons seem to not give a crap about other dragons and have no quarrel in killing them, even theorized offspring. Syrax was probably just feeling Rhaenyra's own pain.
Sir Criston left his post to do his nightly duty by order of Queen Alicent
David Tennants son, Ty Tennant, plays Aegon Targaryen on this show - Double doctor blood
He was in the previous season
the way the scene between Rhaenyra and Jacaerys killed me!
Me too!! I cry he got me
Oh me too! He tried to talk business, but he was like nah I need my mom right now. They needed to grieve together. Rhaenyra said so much with so little dialogue.
Yes! Brought tears to my eyes!!!
So well done.
My impression in this episode is that Team Green isn't really a team. They seem to be, to an extent, scheming against each other... I expect that will be to their detriment.
Aegon is going to be pissed. He seemed quite fond of his son, well, his heir...
On two scenes (Rhaenyra finding the wing and cloak, and Rhaenyra and Jace), I focused on you and avoided the little screen on the right because if I saw those scenes again, I would cry all over again. 😭 Almost did again at the latter seeing your reaction.
in the moment of luke's murder, aemond definitely expressed shock, horror and regret, but there is no excuse that could defend it, nor any apology nor atonement that could halt its deadly consequences for everyone, so of course aemond would decide to simply shrug and own it, with an extra helping of swagger on top. what else would that character do?
It's also that or publically admit that he lost control of Vhagar, which would be a disastrous admission right as they're trying to recruit allies for the impending war. The Blacks already have a huge advantage in dragon numbers, and people are naturally going to want to be on the side that's less likely to get them burned to a crisp. If it were to get out that Aemond might not be able to fully control Vhagar, it would make their position look even weaker. Optics-wise, he's kind of between a rock and a hard place. Claim the killing was deliberate, further antagonise Rhaenyra, and be labelled a kinslayer? Or, while the eyes of the entire kingdom are on you, admit you couldn't control your side's primary weapon? Neither are great options, but given that there's no taking it back and that war is almost certainly inevitable at this point, I think claiming it was deliberate is probably the least bad option, strategically speaking.
@@-just-so- "least bad option" is the key. for even if he were to sincerely admit his mistake, who would really believe him -- a skilled dragon lord with a giant chip on his shoulder, after his brazen performance at storm's end?
there is no need to apologise or excuse his actions. Luke sliced his eye out and got away with it. He had it coming.
@@Baelbard maybe in biblical times, but there's probably a good reason why executing children fell out of favor in civilized societies. besides, aemond had already conceded: "do not mourn me mother. it was a fair exchange. i may have lost an eye, but i gained a dragon" and otto later agreed: "the boy was right. it's worth 1000 times the price he paid." when his dragon ate luke, aemond knew he screwed the pooch hard -- that was not vindication written all over his face.
@@Baelbard Aemond's actions were understandable, as a damaged kid who was always made to feel less than the golden boys of Rhaenyra's side of the family. And Luke - or literally anyone - should have faced actual consequences for maiming him. Viserys had his chance to show Aemond that he mattered, and failed him appallingly. And so Aemond grew up knowing that he'd only ever have what power, or worth, or validation he was able to take for himself. And Rhaenyra coddled Luke; never once taught him or demonstrated in her own behaviour that actions have consequences outside the self, and that their impact on other people is important to consider. And what happened is the completely predictable result of giving flying nukes to a pair of messed-up teenage boys who have never once been taught to use their words. It's understandable - but that doesn't make it right, or deserved.
Aemond would not have shown any weakness. He would have been defiant I think. Yeah I did it so deal with it
When I saw you were watching this episode I hoped somebody gave you a hug.
My sympathies are mostly with the blacks, but the great thing about HOTD is that you can feel sympathy for all of them - it's been like watching a car crash in slow motion all along.. It would make much more sense for Aemond to be the Hand, rather than a manipulative worm like Larys.
When you think that Rhaenyra is Aegon and Aemond's sister that makes it even more tragic.
1:25 HOD Opening: The tapestry of Targaryen history.
Ancient valyrians practicing magic
Daenys dream of the fall
The fall of Valyria
Aegon and his sisters flying over Westeros
Harren the black
Conquest of Harrenhal and the Field of Fire
The North, The Riverlands and The Eyrie bending the knee without a fight
House Targaryen established as the Rulers of Westeros
The construction of the Red Keep
The death of Maegor the Cruel
King Jahaerys the Conciliator and Queen Alysanne
Old King Jahaerys at the Great Council of Harrenhal (Viserys I nomination to the Thorne)
The court of Viserys I split between Alicent and Rhaenyra
Aegon II vs Rhaenyra I
Lucerys death.
Havent seen your reactions since GOT and i got to say you are blossoming. ❤
Looking Amazing Sesska ❤
Great reaction and great review/discussion as well.
I like the ambient sound - it makes it feel more like we are sitting together watching in the same room.
I'm for Team Green - I like Alicent's feet, so that's why.
THANKS for this!!!! I normally come to you for Who but I saw you on my algorithm so I said, "Let's try this" :)
Come what may with this show, I’m here for your reactions, analysis, and the killer fashion, Jess.
You would love fallout so much! Shocked you haven’t looked into it!
Really enjoy the premiere!
Helaena didn't deserve any of that TT^TT
Can't wait for the upcoming outfits, Jess.😊
Amazing stuff😁 crazy episode
As always RUclips's best dressed. Beautiful dress, and A+ nails.
You look really good as always. Makeup on point.
How garbage and cruel people have become that they are willing to take sides with a faction that orders the beheading of a 10-year-old child and ridiculously tries to justify this crime with shameful excuses
Im gonna get a lot of shit for this one but seven hells here we go...
Daemon has a lot of bad sides but damn am I glad he called Rhaenys out for not ending the war before it truly started. Considering what will happen and how many will die Im partially holding Rhaenys responsible for it, sometimes inaction is worse than action. Off the top of my head I kinda compare this to when Jamie slew Aerys II before letting him kill at minimum half a milion civilians.. Not counting everyone else whos fighting and dying in Roberts Rebellion.
It has been a while since I read the source-material but Im pretty sure the whole Rhaenys thing didnt happen but I would need to check. Also they robbed us of one of Criston Coles coolest scenes, or as hes remembered, Criston the Kingmaker. Criston also didnt kill Leanors boytoy at the wedding, he was killed during a joust, way more plausable deniability. The shows first season usually leaned alot on amiguity (in comparisson to the source-material).. Hopefully they wont do it in season 2.
Aaand just to piss of some Targ-die-hards.. The best dragon is the black one.. See you in about 70 years ;)
Other than that, geat reaction as usually and you may now fetch your pitchforks!
An outfit of green and black for the episode, in theme and looking good.
What do you think flushes out the rats? Cats are too hard to train
Your hair looks fire! It looks.. Dracarys.
your outfit, hair and nails 😍 you look fantastic but then again you always look great
Kicking the dog was the wors... Oh never mind...
Are you and Grace Randolph related?
I am team black. Helaena is the only green that I like I feel so bad for her loosing her baby boy.
Emma D’Arcy was amazing in this episode and they only had one line of dialogue: “I want Aemond Targaryen!” Clap 👏
Incredible acting! Wow!!
Her facial expectations are always on point
Helaena did not deserve this
I luv you! ^_^
I didn't even realize that Healena and Aegon were MARRIED to each other despite being siblings...I got confused in this episode for a little because I thought those 2 little kids were their siblings as well
It's easy to miss but if you rewatch Season 1, Aegon and Aemond talk at Laena's funeral about Aegon being betrothed to his sister Helaena. Then later on, after Alicent convinces Dyana not to tell anyone Aegon raped her, Helaena enters the room and asks where Dyana is because someone needs to dress the children.
After seeing Criston with Alicent: Waiting for the butchers ball and Rody the Ruin and Rivermen.
"We can not again"
Me: And yet Alicent hop right back on Cole's sword.
“We can not again”
Maybe 12 hours later:
Another reactor who completely skips "What do we do if we can't find Aemond" the most important part of the conversation.
You mustn’t understand how these edits work. If it’s not included, there was no reaction. Not much point watching a blank face?
@@markmckeown87 that is my whole point.. these reactors somehow dont see the significance of the question asked and the response? It stuck out like a sore thumb to me.
@@randallwilliamson3838 Me to I told my brother right away that's how he told him to kill the son
@@randallwilliamson3838 The problem is is that most people automatically assume Daemon told them to kill the child if Aemond wasn't found. I mean, sure, he could have. It would fit his character, but the cut away leaves the audience wondering if he really did. The show could subvert expectations and make it that the assassins went off script. Cheese barely looked for Aemond, and Blood was frightened the handmaiden was going to get the guards.
What I love is that Daemon is so dark and complex as a character that he would no doubt order Jaesherys death with little remorse. But the question still remains, did he? Even if he didn't, it doesn't really matter because the whole realm will now blame Rhaenyra for the child murder.
I wouldn't say I don't see the significance. I would say I don't want re-upload my video various times into late hours into the night dealing with copyright by showing every scene that gives context lol
On a serious note, it is very difficult to pick and choose (especially in episodes like this where things are all over the place and a lot is important) what to keep in when there's only a certain amount of the episode you can show. Some things get cut.....especially when I don't say anything in the moment. But just for future reference, I do try to be very attentive when I'm reacting. Just because it's not included in the edit doesn't mean I didn't watch it or notice it :)
On a less serious note, it is funny to be called out for not including what Daemon said in the conversation when the show literally didn't include what Daemon said in the conversation lol
I said it last season and I'll say it again, Luke's death was Rhaenrya's fault PERIOD. She should have sent a raven to Storm's End. She would have gotten one of three responses from Lord Baratheon: 1. "I'm holding to the oath my father took & I recognize you as queen." OR 2. "You were named before there was a male heir and the report is that it was King Viserys' dying wish to have Aegon be the heir, so my father's oath is null & void. I'm Team Green." OR 3. "You look like you need some help to hold onto your crown there, missy. Team Green promised to have Prince Aemond marry one of my daughters. Make me an offer." There was ABSOLUTELY no need to risk her son AND a dragon, two valuable pieces. She gave the order, it's on her
Appalling take. Aemond is solely responsible for Luc's death. Blaming Rhaenyra is like saying 'it's your fault you sent your son to your neighbour's house to barter for eggs, because he got killed crossing the road by someone he hit at school'.
@@rtozier2011 You can't have it both ways. If she is the Queen then as a ruler/leader, you have to take into account ALL possibilities which include Aemond being there or even if he is not there that Lord Baratheon might side with Aegon and have Luke detained as leverage. The point stands. A dragon was faster but a raven was safer. It would have cost Rhaenyra NOTHING to send a raven. The buck stops with her. A ruler must take accountability.
Dude, STFU ALREADY. Stop plaguing the reactors with your bull💩. Stop being a pick-me.
Three things are considered despicable in this world. Killing a guest, killing kin, and killing an envoy. The Baratheons are distant kin to the Targs, AND Luke was an envoy. There was no reason to think sending him was dangerous. The idea that Aemond would do anything is foreign to her, since Luke was his nephew. She fully expected her son to be just fine. You blaming her is like blaming a mother who sent her kids to school and then learned they were lost in a bus crash.
@@trini_staple The point fell flat on its face when it was made and shall remain there forever. A person sending an envoy is not responsible for their murder by a fellow guest.
This episode was nuts!
Since you didnt read the books, the war stated a long time ago with OTTO. Sending his daughter to comfort Viserys and his father. It worked with Viserys. He plotted to get Daemon removed as heir after his Gold Clocks went buck wild in Flee Bottom and Emma died giving birth. Once Rhaenyra was heir, he plotted to remove her once Alicent had a boy. If OTTO had not tried to put his blook on the throne, none of this would have happend. Watch the first season again and watch the plotting by OTTO. Or read the book hahahahaa The end with Blood and Cheese was much more grusome in the book. It was 3 kids and the baby was choosen to die. No saw was involved.
Incorrect. Had Viserys taken Otto's advice and married Rhaenrya and Aegon war would have been averted. Or conversely, he could have married Rhaenrya and Daemon. Or he could have called a great council. Or he could have spent time parenting all of his children.
As Daemon said in episode 1, Viserys was weak. He's responsible for this war.
@@havok6280 WOW what books have you read or what tv show have you watched.? It was Viserys listening to Otto that started this whole thing. Remove Daemon as heir and replace him with Rhaenyra. Otto sent his daughter to Viserys in his time of pain to get with him. Once he married that whore, all Otto had to do was wait for Alicent to have a boy. Once she had Ageon, the then proceeded to plot with the small council to have Ageon claim the throne when he was a baby. Granted the show is different from the book, but same context. Before Viserys, Otto was plotting with Jaharey's. Alicent heard the proficey of a song of ice and fire and got the wrong meaning. She told OTTO and they put the plan in motion. In the book, Luke's death was no accident. And Blood and Cheese are way worse. Alicent has another son not there and Ageon and Helania have 3 kids. Read the book, Alicent and Rhaneyra were never friends, and Alicent is much older than Rhaneyra.
you're putting all the blame on otto for scheming (common in this universe) and not on viserys for falling for the fourteen year old girl lol
@@lellenny hahahahhaa you are correct. She is not 14 in the book. AND had Otto not whored his daughter out Viserys would not have been in that position. The hand is suppose to have the kings best interest at hand as well as the realm. I have no problem with scheming, it part of this verse, but scheming has consequences.
@@havok6280 Still to put his granson on the throne. Had Otto not pimped his daughter out, she never would have been in that room. Wasnt the first time he tried that BS. He also sent her to Jaehareys as well. Don't know what show you're watching or if you have even read the book. All good, Otto will get whats coming to him as well as all the usurping greens.