could you imagine the size of the 12-60 if it was a constant 2.8, as it is it's only slightly larger than the 12-35 (320g V's 305g, 86mm v's 73mm long) to make it constant 42.8 it's not going to be much smaller than the canon 24-105 with speed booster.... and for most of us the size/weight is why we got in to MFT - if I'm shooting video I just put it at f4 or above and roll with it a 12-60~ish f/4 MFT would be interesting but I think photographers and hybrid shooters are more interested in that magical 2.8 number
I shoot live theatre with three cameras. I was initially a f2.8 guy but I had to buy an 8-18 for really small venues and a 50-200 for really large venues. Both of these have variable 2.8-4 apertures. Now I just shoot everything a f4. I got rid of my 12-35 f2.8 because it really didn’t have the range I wanted. My closeup camera uses either the 12-60, the 35-100, or the 50-200. In the past few years the lighting seems to be getting better in most theatre venues, even the high school theatres.
I have about a dozen MFT lenses and this is one I owned. The image quality and the build quality are as good as it gets. I sold it for the 12-35/2.8 only because I shoot a lot indoors and f4 for my preferences is too slow. So, I’m in total agreement. But, it killed me to sell it because it’s a gem in every other way. It’s even a great zoom range. For people who don’t mind the f4 aperture it’s a primo choice.
Thanks for the review! I like that this lens still gives the 12mm option, vs the 14-140mm. But the 14-140 is smaller and lighter and still works really good! I think the 12-60mm being bigger and heavier than the 14-140mm is the only reason I don't pull the trigger on it. The kit lens is also practically the same size and weight as the 14-140mm, so the trade off still isn't there.
I'm an aspiring RUclipsr, I purchased this lens used at a great price and waiting for arrival, but you're right, this will be a great all around lens. I like to scope the areas I'm traveling in, this is the best. Plus, I want something that will do some sort of AF. Yes yes, if this was an internal zoom, wow! Thank you.
For single lens travel on the GX9, I have come to really like this one. It is a bit large for street work, but I just use it and don't worry that much. In most cases, I agree with your con, but to go with a single aperture would probably result in a considerably heavier and more expensive lens. By the way, I love your channel.
Is it worth the 2,5 the price of the LUMIX 12-60mm f3.5 kit-lens ? NO. For only a. half stop wider and much more weight. The image is almost the same. And indeed a variable aperture within the zoom, is a no-go. (For me).
Hullo Sir. I am a rookie looking for informations: please, does this Leica work with an Olympus OM-D E-M1X? Many thanks and happy new year to everybody from Italy.
I grew to love this lens over time. Its not a bokeh monster, but the out of focus areas render super nice. My copy renders prime level quality throughout the range. In video the lens is parfocal, so when you zoom in and out it doesn’t need adjustments. Biggest downside is not the lens. But capture one glitches with the optical corrections. From 12-30mm the corrections are applied, but after this capture one doesn’t recognize the lens and no more corrections are applied. Super wierd and annoying!
I hear you re. your situation and the variable aperture. But for me and my uses, it is not a problem. Yes, would have been nice fixed 2.8, but I prefer this for its added range over my constant aperture f/2.8 Olympus 12-40. I hardly use that any more, should probably sell it.
I totally agree with you. I would have liked a constant 12-60 f2.8. And it would be great if one day they would build a Panaleica 12-60 f1.7 constant (now that would be the ultimate zoom) or at least a 12-35 f1.7 constant. Dreaming is free! 😅
hey, thanks for sharing! could you please elaborate more on various workarounds of this aperture turmoil? I've never actually used a camera in my life, just considering it (learning from internet gurus very like yourself), but what comes to my mind is exactly what you said: setting it on a fixed aperture; not all the way down to f/4, but with the needed zoom range in mind. f.e. if one knows that he won't get further than 40mm - he'll require only so much of that aperture (can't really remember cheat sheet with different values, but ok) someone already mentioned auto iso - how does that work for you? since aperture does not only change the overall lightness of a scene, probably not as well as one could hope. is there anything we can do with it in post specifically? f.e. lessen that narrow-aperture glare, which I noticed on some videos actually comparing different apertures? thank you in advance!
Great review Grant. This will be my next lens for general purpose family pics 🙂 I think could be more expensive if they made it with constant aperture and they design it to be a more general do it all lens that could also be sell as a kit. If that will be with a 2.8 aperture maybe they will not sell so much prime lens.
@@grantrobertdavies To me the Olympus 12-40 is a bit clunky feeling, heavier, not as smooth zooming and of course doesn't have the range. BUT its image quality is fantastic, marginally better than the Leica. So it's a dilemma! (Currently I have both lenses but need to part with one of them)
could you imagine the size of the 12-60 if it was a constant 2.8, as it is it's only slightly larger than the 12-35 (320g V's 305g, 86mm v's 73mm long) to make it constant 42.8 it's not going to be much smaller than the canon 24-105 with speed booster.... and for most of us the size/weight is why we got in to MFT - if I'm shooting video I just put it at f4 or above and roll with it
a 12-60~ish f/4 MFT would be interesting but I think photographers and hybrid shooters are more interested in that magical 2.8 number
I shoot live theatre with three cameras. I was initially a f2.8 guy but I had to buy an 8-18 for really small venues and a 50-200 for really large venues. Both of these have variable 2.8-4 apertures. Now I just shoot everything a f4. I got rid of my 12-35 f2.8 because it really didn’t have the range I wanted. My closeup camera uses either the 12-60, the 35-100, or the 50-200. In the past few years the lighting seems to be getting better in most theatre venues, even the high school theatres.
I have about a dozen MFT lenses and this is one I owned. The image quality and the build quality are as good as it gets. I sold it for the 12-35/2.8 only because I shoot a lot indoors and f4 for my preferences is too slow. So, I’m in total agreement. But, it killed me to sell it because it’s a gem in every other way. It’s even a great zoom range. For people who don’t mind the f4 aperture it’s a primo choice.
Yes, I can’t really use it much on jobs indoors too - I’d rather have the constant f2.8 too :)
Grant, nice video, no buttering.
Thanks for the review!
I like that this lens still gives the 12mm option, vs the 14-140mm. But the 14-140 is smaller and lighter and still works really good! I think the 12-60mm being bigger and heavier than the 14-140mm is the only reason I don't pull the trigger on it. The kit lens is also practically the same size and weight as the 14-140mm, so the trade off still isn't there.
I'm an aspiring RUclipsr, I purchased this lens used at a great price and waiting for arrival, but you're right, this will be a great all around lens. I like to scope the areas I'm traveling in, this is the best. Plus, I want something that will do some sort of AF. Yes yes, if this was an internal zoom, wow! Thank you.
Good choice! :) Enjoy your lens :)
Another great video, I know what you mean about constant aperture, the reason I just love my Olympus 12-100 F4, that lens lives on my camera.
Thanks Steve - Yeah It would be better if it was just f/4 throughout :)
For single lens travel on the GX9, I have come to really like this one. It is a bit large for street work, but I just use it and don't worry that much. In most cases, I agree with your con, but to go with a single aperture would probably result in a considerably heavier and more expensive lens. By the way, I love your channel.
Thank You :)
What are your workarounds (in general) for the variable aperature?
Hey, I need your opinion on this. Would this lens be an overkill for smaller cameras such as the olympus Em5?
Is it worth the 2,5 the price of the LUMIX 12-60mm f3.5 kit-lens ? NO. For only a. half stop wider and much more weight. The image is almost the same. And indeed a variable aperture within the zoom, is a no-go. (For me).
Just set your A at f4 and stop adjusting. I use mine at F4 nd it works great.
Hullo Sir. I am a rookie looking for informations: please, does this Leica work with an Olympus OM-D E-M1X? Many thanks and happy new year to everybody from Italy.
yes
I grew to love this lens over time. Its not a bokeh monster, but the out of focus areas render super nice.
My copy renders prime level quality throughout the range. In video the lens is parfocal, so when you zoom in and out it doesn’t need adjustments.
Biggest downside is not the lens. But capture one glitches with the optical corrections. From 12-30mm the corrections are applied, but after this capture one doesn’t recognize the lens and no more corrections are applied. Super wierd and annoying!
Great Feedback Martin :) Thanks for sharing that info - Yes it is a super handy lens, Id miss it if I did not have it :)
I hear you re. your situation and the variable aperture. But for me and my uses, it is not a problem. Yes, would have been nice fixed 2.8, but I prefer this for its added range over my constant aperture f/2.8 Olympus 12-40. I hardly use that any more, should probably sell it.
I totally agree with you. I would have liked a constant 12-60 f2.8. And it would be great if one day they would build a Panaleica 12-60 f1.7 constant (now that would be the ultimate zoom) or at least a 12-35 f1.7 constant.
Dreaming is free! 😅
Yes that would be awesome 🤩
They have 10-25 f1.7. 12-35 f1.7 would be redundant. I would love to see a 12-60 f2.8. It should still be smaller than full frame 24-105 f4.
hey, thanks for sharing! could you please elaborate more on various workarounds of this aperture turmoil?
I've never actually used a camera in my life, just considering it (learning from internet gurus very like yourself), but what comes to my mind is exactly what you said: setting it on a fixed aperture; not all the way down to f/4, but with the needed zoom range in mind. f.e. if one knows that he won't get further than 40mm - he'll require only so much of that aperture (can't really remember cheat sheet with different values, but ok)
someone already mentioned auto iso - how does that work for you? since aperture does not only change the overall lightness of a scene, probably not as well as one could hope. is there anything we can do with it in post specifically? f.e. lessen that narrow-aperture glare, which I noticed on some videos actually comparing different apertures?
thank you in advance!
Yes - Auto ISO :)
You should use 12.35 f2.8 lumix
Great review Grant.
This will be my next lens for general purpose family pics 🙂
I think could be more expensive if they made it with constant aperture and they design it to be a more general do it all lens that could also be sell as a kit.
If that will be with a 2.8 aperture maybe they will not sell so much prime lens.
Yeah thats what I think too - Trying to keep it at a good price point :) I think you are correct... Yeah, let me know when you get one:)
My favorite lens
Hi! Do you prefer the Olympus 12-40 f2.8 ?
Yes :)
@@grantrobertdavies thanks for the reply!! I just bought gh5 and Olympus 12-40 for 670€ !! So happy to start make photos/videos :)
8:55 If you want a fixed aperture with this lens, just set it to f4. You shoot in manual, you said. ;)
Yes you could - that's right
How does this lens compare to Olympus 12 - 40 f2.8. Pro appreciate the Leica has more reach.
Both Great Lenses :) If I had my time again I would of held onto my Olympus ;)
@@grantrobertdavies To me the Olympus 12-40 is a bit clunky feeling, heavier, not as smooth zooming and of course doesn't have the range. BUT its image quality is fantastic, marginally better than the Leica. So it's a dilemma! (Currently I have both lenses but need to part with one of them)
Just out of curiosity, since you already have a viltrox speedbooster, ever thought about the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Art with canon mount?
Yes - I do plan to get some more old Canon and Sigma lenses moving into the new year :) eBay alerts are on :)
9:05 You can set it to be a constant f4 in the camera
Yes - that’s what I do these days
Auto ISO my friend =)
Simple, set f4, you are all done. There is 10-25mm f1.7 but the range is limited though.