A Look At The Panasonic 12-60mm f/2.8-f4 Zoom Lens For Micro Four Thirds Cameras
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- All zooms lenses are a compromise - the Panasonic Leica 12-60mm f/2.8-f4 zoom even compromises on the compromises.
Does it fill a niche in the Micro Four Thirds lens system or is it a compromise too far?
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David, I miss you!!! a man after mu own heart -honest and straight
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David Thorpe RIP as your peerless reviews live on with immortality 🙏
One of The best reviewers on RUclips..
Thanks, Kent - I'm flattered!
I totally agree. I'm new to the M43 scene, and David's videos have been invaluable.
@@DavidThorpeMFT I'll second that! Thoughtful and logical. And in this particular case, all the right comparisons drawn with all the competition one might be considering. Cheers.
Kent Ekasak agreed
Just bought this lens today.
Thanks David. 🙏
I really like your narration technique. A 10 minute video normally woould seem a bit long for my generation, but I don't notice time at all. and this is a great review.
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one off the best
Music to my ears, Justin - thanks you!
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I totally agree! :D
Only one thing confused me: When you said this lens met #1 2 or 3,, that lens only #1 & 2, etc. I had no reference back to which quality was which number.
But, I got the general gist.
You do very professional productions. Always interesting.
Thanks, Michael. Nice to be appreciated.
This is one of the videos that helped me choose this lens. I’ve been using it for years now and I am still amazed with the results I can pull out of it.
David,
Would like to take this chance and tell you how much your channel is appreciated by me and surely by many others. Many thanks for very important and interesting reviews! Keep the good work!
It is really nice of you to say so Rony - thank you.
Watching this in September 24. RIP and thank you ❤
man your reviews are the best I wish you reviewed other camera gear
Thanks! I don't think I'd have time for other gear though I'd be fascinated to try some Sony and Fuji.
David Thorpe i love your reviews they're great! I'll send you my Sony A6500 with the 50mm f/1.8 to test out if you like 🤓😉
Thanks Sully. I'll return it to you via eBay :-)
I agree, the reviews are the best. come on David, do some Fuji please.
Your, excellent, reviews are how I like my Martini's: Dry, understated, clean.
Thanks, Nicholas. I'll drink to that :-)
Thanks for all your useful reviews. Great style, content and delivery. Just bought the 12-60mm. The reach of the lens (60mm) is more important than the low fstop for me and I hope that the dual image stabalisation will help in low light situations; when compared to the 12 -35mm.
One small point that I would find useful as size of the camera/lens is important to me is that it would be good to see the lenses you review on various bodies to get an idea of proportion and handling.
Goof point, Terry. I'll keep it in mind.
I bought a Panasonic Gx8 because you review. ^^
Great camera, isn't it Amaj!
Amaj Haha, I bought a GX80 because of David's review!
No wonder Panasonic pay me £100,000 per week! Not :-)
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Same here! Furthermore,this guy convinced me to get a 14-140 Pana an 9-18 Oly as well! And to be right,i'm very contented. Let's be honest-he has the gift!
I really appreciate your style, perspective, and even your actual voice. I'm glad I found your channel.
I'd better keep 'em comin' then! Thank you, Alex.
Thanks very much for this - extremely high signal to noise.
That's my aim, so a nice compliment, thanks.
Great review as always. I have this lens and its quite sharp and quite useful. I was very disappointed to find that the bayonet mount is held together by only three screws which are screwed in to three tiny plastic posts that will snap like a toothpick if this lens were to ever be dropped. Mine fell on the floor when I knocked my fully collapsed tripod over onto a hardwood floor. It was such a minor fall, I didn't even check for damage. It was days later that I noticed that the two screws on the lens mount broke off, exposing the innards of my pricey PL zoom! I put it back together and complained to Panasonic about the shoddy construction. They were kind enough to replace it with a new one. I'm primarily a film photographer so my G9 with this lens live on a tripod with a SmallHD monitor and Rode Video Mic Pro attached. I'll be really careful with this fragile gem in the future.
That's useful information and the kind of thing that doesn't come up in a review unless you happen to drop the lens. I'm glad Panasonic did the right thing, too. You must have a very good approach for them to do that. Thanks for the observation, very useful and a heads-up for owners of the lens.
@@DavidThorpeMFT Thanks David, I just received it in the post today. New lens as promised. Kudos to Panasonic for backing their product but they really need to make these lenses more robust-especially with the Leica name on them.
I am more of a video guy. I owned a GH4 and 12-35... they got stollen from kids in a different country.
I recently upgraded to the GH5 and tried out my old 14-140 and something is off about it when handheld. I also have the 12-32 pancaked zoom and the Olympus 7-14mm. I WANT WIDE and 3 forms of stabilization (one being a gimbal). I have had this lens for 2 days, and I think it is going to fulfill 75% of my situations. It is more about idiot behind the camera, but quality purchases save time and energy.
Yes, quality and a nice blend of speed and zoom range. I greatly prefer a static f/2.8 in principle but the f.4 keeps the size and price (just about) manageable. Nice feeling when you buy something and find it is everything you hoped.
I always love these reviews, probably the foremost m43 youtuber for me.
:-) Thanks!
Your rhetoric and voice is superb!
What can I say? Except thank you and I'm glad you think so.
You and I I have similar past as photojournalist, I have come to conclusion that 4/3 system are very practical and good enough for 16x20 prints on RA 4 chemistry and large size on Ink jet print. Love you review
You are very detail thank you for really given me great info.
I selected to invest on the Lumix G9
40/150mm Olympus 8/ 18mm Leica
And 12/60 mm Leica but love the
12/100 mm Olympus for it amazing range. Last one is the 60mm macro Olympus. I decided to leave Canon
After that horrible 6d mark I I spec.
I will still keep it I do a lots events
For corporate account. When you do
6 to 8 hours with full on full frame camera I’m really getting tired.
Hi Cesare - yes, professionally speaking, it's whatever does the job. I haven't got a G9 yet but like you expect it to be highly practical. Nice lens lineup - I really fancy the 12-100 Olympus myself. I'm glad you find my videos informative. I try to look at equipment from a professional point of view and that means that ease of use, intuitive control and so on are as important as out and out performance. I know what you mean about spending hours with heavy equipment, too. It's one thing taking gear from the boot of a car and taking a picture, quite another to be walking around for 8 hours with it over your shoulder. Long term, it can cause back problems, too.
"Unless you were born awkward"
Love it 😆
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Thanks David. I just picked up one of these. I miss you.
So, MR. Thorpe, did this lens replace your 14-140?
I have the 14-140 for my GX8 I found it a bit lacking in sharpness & contrast. Maybe the 12-60 would be better?
No, it didn't replace my 14-140. I found that its 60mm end was not long enough for a one lens all purpose solution. I find I'm happy enough with the sharpness and contrast in the light of the much greater versatility. I do use long focal lengths a lot, mind you, mainly for perspective effects.
I would be in the market for a 14-140 f/2.8-4 with the optical quality of the 12-60. But then it would be much bigger and so no solution at all!
The Olympus 12-100 f4 may be a good alternative?
Hi David! Future calling, September 2019. Just ordered this lens. I am amused what you are talking about in this video. The Germans call it "Ein Mädchen für alles". Of course an impossible dream, but many of us still hope for that. Thanks!
Probably a dream all photographers have - Prost!
Thanks for the review, David. I do like the way your narrative pulls in a few extra ideas compared to others. I have the old four thirds 12-60mm f2.8-f4 SWD. I have searched for a comparison between these two lenses which on paper are similar in everything bar size (the old FT lens must be used with an adapter on a m43 body) and IS. I cannot find any optical comparison, though, on which to base a decision to swap the new for the old. Have you the old lens sitting in a dusty drawer somewhere? Could you offer an opinion on the optics?
I sold my 14-150mm kit lens, sacrificing that mental zoom range. happy to say that the increase in IQ was worth it. A-B comparisons were fairly obvious improvement. almost night and day obvious. putting this up in case anyone in same position!
Useful - thanks!
N Dawkins Are you comparing olympus 14-150 to panaleica 12-60? Sitting on the same fence now.
Hello. What happened with the Lumix 100-300 II review?
Can't get hold of one - I have to buy most of the lenses I review so there are limited funds :-(
I'm in the process of getting rid of all my Pentax gear (2 x K-3 IIs, 16-85mm DC, 200mm SDM and 55-300mm PLM plus a couple of Sigma lenses and flash-guns) ready to change over to the G9 II when it comes on the market. The Leica 12-60mm is on my list along with the 8-18mm and the 50-200mm. Just got rid of some stuff today and the remainder will be going when the clocks go back in October. Hopefully, I'll be awaiting delivery by then. I'm just waiting for an email or phone call from a distributor!
Nice review. I have been using the PanaLeica 12-60 with Olympus bodies since 2017. The lens is a compromise, though a fantastic compromise: the combination of optical quality; zoom range; build quality/smoothness; and size is unmatched, in my opinion. And the variable aperture does not bother me at all - it only would bother me with a complex flash set-up, which I never use anyway. Like you said, I rarely want to take it off unless I am after something very specific. On vacation I restrict myself to this and the Oly 45 f/1.8 for when I really want to isolate a subject. Occasionally I use the Oly 12mm f/2.0 when I want the absolute best wide-angle clarity. Regardless, the 12-60 is almost always more than good enough.
Thank You for a most interesting and informative video (as always). With this presentation You go a bit further. Very nice indeed!
Thank you once again, David, for taking the time to make a thorough and entertaining video review. I, too, have always loved the Pany 14-140 mm lens and this 12-60 mm sounds even better due to increased sharpness and Dual IS 2 compatibility with the GH5. Thanks again! :-)
You're welcome, Linda. As an all round lens for travel I think many people would still find the 14-140 more useful with its cover everything zoom range. What's nice is to have the choice.
i'm used to the "12" at the left end of the scale; many lens designs today have the smallest values (widest angle) at the right side of the scale; for me that's impractical & confusing.
I might get this lens for my movie work - thanks for the great video David.
Should be nice for movie. It doesn't quite hold focus as it zooms (if you do that) but provided you zoom at a reasonable speed the C-AF keeps it sharp.
Mr Thorpe was simply the best. ❤️🙏🏾
The best review of one of the best M43 lenses out there. I'm thinking of getting this lens and a GX9 as a street and travel set up, when I don't want to lug my full frame Nikon kit around.
Great videos Sir! Very informative and well explained. Thank you for your time and efforts! Subbed
I appreciate that - and thanks for telling me!
Hi, does the manual focus switch work on olympus?
The 14-140mm is a great lens, but not spectacular above ~100m. Still so good I only take it out and switch to a Prime if it has better aperture or is a specialty lens like macro. I'll get the 12-60mm in a few weeks, really looking forward to compare it to the 14-140mm.
The contrast between the two lenses would be starker with other wide range zoom lenses but the 14-140 is unusually good, especially in edge to edge sharpness through the range. As you say, performance drops off a bit at the longest end, common to most zooms. The 12-60 is probably about the widest range that can be accommodated without making a noticeable sacrifice. As ever, you can have widest range or sharpest image...but not both.
I have enough trouble choosing between fixed lenses with their fixed apertures, I'm not sure I want to put my hand in the scorpion box of zooms. But, I kind of have to... Can I ask David, if you were shooting bands in a dark room with strong singular light sources (I will have to edit the shadows and blacks in post after I balance the brightness of the subjects faces when taking the shot), what zoom would you choose for this?
I am thinking a range of MFT 15-50mm would be most useful. My preference is not for noise control but for sharpness (I love my PL15 & 25 primes).
No hesitation - I'd use the Olympus 12-40 and 40-150 Pro zooms. They aren't cheap but they are very, very sharp right through the range and difficult light conditions don't faze them at all. They work just as well on Panasonic bodies, too.
Even after 5 years, your video still interesting to watch. Do you think Leica 12-60 is better than Olympus 12-40 f 2.8 in overall performance?
You don't get an answer from David. He died more than a year ago.
How does this lens compare with the 12-60mm kit lens that comes with the G85? Is it worth spending the extra money to replace a kit lens assuming this is the range you want?
Well David you are responsible for making me splash my cash and buy a 2nd hand Leica 12-60 (less a few trade ins). Seriously though thank you for your entertaining and invaluable videos. BTW Its my 1st Pana Leica & I confess my ego is a little proud to own such a beautifully made lens :-))
It's not my fault! Nothing is my fault 😀 Thanks for the kind words, Richard and enjoy the lens. It's a beauty, as you rightfully say.
Good summary. I have been looking for a comparison with the 14-140. I think I will take your advice and buy the Leica panasonic 12-60mm.
I love that lens. It is my always on travel choise. Good quality. Ieven planned a layover in Amsterdam on my wayto Kyevto get to a shoop that had an offer and additional TaxTree... saved 35 % on it. Best decision ever.
Yes, good lens - especially with that discount :-)
“A volume knob that goes up to 11”. Nice to know we share another passion.
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I use this lens to complement my Veydra Mini Primes 16, 25, and 50mm T2.2 cine lenses for my short films. It’s comes in handy has a fast enough wide for when 16mm isn’t wide enough and 60mm is a little tighter for those tele lens shots. I really like the character of the lens too. But the main reason I bought it was to use it for its zoom. It’s parfocal so it doesn’t shift focus when zooming for those Hong Kong, Tarantino style punch in zoom shots.
I didn't know it was parfocal - yes very handy for video. I'm fascinated as I do more video by the different requirements for it and stills.
Hmmm I'm also looking at this lens over m.Zuiko 12-40mm f2.8 to mount on my Oly EM10 Mk 1. I used to have the Zuiko 14-54mm Mk 1, the 60mm just gives a nice telephoto end to the lens. I have the Lumix Leica 25mm f1.4 for portraits/low-light. I shoot raw+jpg and understand lens corrections will not be applied by Olympus viewer or in-camera. Do you have any experience how much a disadvantage that is in the real-world?
The only lens correction that's not applied is the CA or purple fringing. Your 25mm f/1.4 will have that problem so if it hasn't bothered you so far, the 12-60 should not. I've not found it a problem at all and it is usually dealt with quite easily in PP.
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Another wonderful review...it's a good thing I bought my Olympus 12-40 2.8 before I viewed your presentation :]. Thank you David...keep up the great work!
Lumix Leice 12-60mm or Lumix 12-35 f2.8? They are selling with G9 as a kit. which lens should I kit with?
If you are intending to just have the one lens, the 12-60 f/2.8-4. If you are intending to get another lens (the 35-100 f/2.8 would be an obvious choice), then the 12-35mm. In terms of value, if the G9 and either lens kit are selling for the same price, the 12-60 is better value since it costs £200 more than the 12-35mm.
I tested the Lecia 12-60mm f2.8-4 at 16mm vs the Sig 16 f1.4 both at f4 and they are identical. I cant tell the difference!
Lecia 12-60mm vs Oly 40-150mm f2.8. At 60mm at f8 and the Lecia destroys the Oly!
The standards of lenses these days are so high that, apart from fault finding, testing will become almost irrelevant. That's the effect of computer design, I suppose. Also, when you buy a top line lens, you are paying for the wider aperture. Stopped down a couple, most lenses are much of a muchness.
@@DavidThorpeMFT I find that lens are so good these days its the compression standards that they ultimately get used (social media sites) in is the larger concern. As impressed as I am with my Leica lens, all my lens are sharp enough at just about any aperture/focal length it does not matter.
But the gear junkie pixel peeper in me loves to see what nobody else will. lol
Thank you for another well written, narrated and executed review.
I also appreciate your anecdotes from the world of rock.
Great Nigel reference: "You see, most blokes, you know, will be photographing at 40mm. You're at 40 on your lens, all the way up, all the way up... Where can you go from there? -Nowhere."
I've asked Olympus to make me a 12-40 that is marked 12-44 but they refuse. I just thought 44 would give it that bit extra that would tip it over the edge :-) Spinal Tap remains the funniest film about rock ever, doesn't it? And so true as well.
I have this Panasonic lens. But to be honest, I don't think this is good as what I expect. Although it's already very good, the whole view and harpness are both very even across corner to corner.
We have such high expectations of lenses these days but the 12-60 shouldn't really disappoint. The Olympus 12-40 maybe a bit sharper but it would be marginal.
Another great review. You have the most soothing voice.👍
I agree that it is a nice compromise lens, but this focus by wire is driving me crazy during videography. Are there any inexpensive vintage lenses you might be able to recommend for my G85 that are easier to pull focus?
Thanks! I find it a great help to turn on the MF Guide in the Custom menu. With the vintage lenses, they are all easy to manually focus and any from a reputable maker will have decent quality. Probably best to avoid zooms. Sorry I can't be more specific but maybe someone else can suggest some lenses?
Thanks for your videos. I enjoy a lot your content and style! Im split between getting this lens and de 14-40mm Oly 2.8 as my first lens for an E-M5 II, any thoughts pls!?
Cooke makes a 15-40mm T2 in their Cine S4 line. Three out of four is not bad. But of course there is no AF and it’s 40.000 quit.
Thanks for the heads-up VariTimo - I've 3, one for each of my cameras :-)
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Thanks, I'm using a 12-35 now and from time to time dislike not having more zoom. I didn't even know this lens existed and your detailed reviews make buying decisions really easy.
Thanks! Yes, the Panasonic is a bit short on zoom range. The 40mm of the Olympus makes more difference than you'd think but this lens is much more all purpose and with a decent turn of speed.
I think a few charts with the comparisons between lenses would convey your thoughts better. So many lenses and so many compromises. While most people would grasp immediately the points, I was hoping for a better summary, and confused about the 1,2,3 etc at the end, "Which was which?" I always enjoy your reviews. This one could be better.
Sorry for any confusion, Liam. My point about the 1,2,3 etc was that any given lens could only satisfy three of the 5 points. The 12-60 actually compromises on compromises by giving you a bit of everything, a long(ish) zoom range, a wide aperture for a zoom but only for a bit of the range etc. Charts and stuff I can't really do. I do every single thing in my reviews from street photography through product shots and script whereas most others have staff or professional assistance. Lens test software, for example, would cosy me more than I have ever made from all my videos :-(
Ooh, a 12-150mm (24-300mm equivalent) f2.8 that can fit in my pocket. That sounds awesome! At the very least, they could have made it f2.8 from 12-35mm and then made it drop off to f4 after that.
I am sorry, Daniel, I have the only one of these ever made. Mine is actually an f/1.4-f/1.8 and goes from 8mm to 200mm. It only cost £25, too. What a pity they only made the one. Still, at least they sold it to me :-)
Great review, very well produced. 12-60 is a great range to have as standard zoom. I don't do mtf because I love my optical viewfinder, but on aps-c my 16-85 is about equivalent and mostly on my D7500. But indeed, for outside walk-around use I also love my 18-140 (which would be 14-105 in mtf) for the extra long end. Both are optically similar and 3.5/5.6 which would be the same as 2.8/4 on mtf noise wise. I feel both lenses complement eachother very well. So if I had mtf, I would buy both 12-60 and 14-140 no doubt. And a couple of primes of course for portraits and low light.
Thanks Paul. You make some interesting observations. Like you, I'd always recommend having a coupe of primes in the bag, in my case a 17mm and a 45mm.
There is one lens which seems to be attractive for MFT, both as it is and both from a price point of view, but hardly reviewed - the Tamron 14-150mm. f/3.5-5.8. Perhaps you can comment or maybe even review it? I think many are interested in it!
Thanks Rony, I'll see if I can get one.
Thanks a lot! This might be very interesting!
I don't feel it worthwhile comparing the lens to the others you mention as they are not equivalent. Panasonic also has a 12-35 f2.8, that one can be compared to the Olympus etc...
I don't agree, so best ignore the bit you don't feel is worthwhile.
Miss you David!
Mr. Thorpe, I have a Panasonic G9 and I'm wondering if I should get this lens, the 12-35 F/2.8, or the Olympus 12-40 F/2.8. I also use my mft lenses on my cinema camera.
It's a difficult choice but the constant aperture sways me, especially for video. I've had the Olympus 12-40 for a long time now and it remains a very sharp, well built high performance standard zoom. The 5mm over the Panasonic 12-35 makes more difference than you'd think. The 12-60 I'd choose is if it was to be my _only_ lens simply for the extra range. You don't have the dual stabilization or DfD focusing but neither of those are crucial to usability.
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which is better for travel photography and ocassional video? Leica 12-60mm f/2.8-f4 vs Oly 12-40 f/2.8 to pair with GX7. I currently own a lumix 35-100mm f/2.8.
I _would_ say the Olympus because there is less overlap between that and your 35-100 and it has that constant aperture. But the GX7's stabilization isn't the best and the 12-60s is excellent. So I'd say the 12-60 overall. The stabilization will serve you better for travel work in low light than the extra speed of the Olympus. Actually, 12-60 is a good range and you'll have that on your camera the majority of the time, whereas you'd be more likely to have to swap lenses with the lesser range of the Olympus.
I understand GX doesn’t support Dual IS.
Does Leica O.I.S. help? I would turn on either one, right? Or both IS?
Thanks for another great video
I currently have the 14-140 II for my G85 but are considering an upgrade as I cannot get the same image quality especially in low light as my oly 12-40 pro. Partly technique on my part but something that is probably not going to improve much so I just have to live with that.
If we do not take into account price which do you think is the best all rounder out of the oly 12-100 pro, pany 12-60 2.8-4 or the 14-140 II?
One thing I do like about oly lenses is the manual focusing clutch. I find the oly pro lenses focus smoother than panasonic.
I am after a good all round lens and realise I may need a prime for night time shots. I also own the oly 40-150 pro but it is to heavy to take away with the 12-40 pro, so looking for the all rounder like every one else but cant afford to try them all.
For an all rounder all in one it's nice to have a longish telephoto end. The 12-60 is a little short while the 14-140 is great for the range. My choice would be the Olympus. At the long end it is the same aperture as the 12-60 and the zoom range is chosen to perfection, 12-100 being the basic range within which I'd guess 95% of pictures are taken. And the constant f/4 is very, very good for such a lens. And why it is quite high priced. I haven't tried one but my personal experience of Olympus's Pro range is such that i'd buy one with complete confidence anyway. The downside is the size and weight but for a such a lens both are pretty reasonable actually.
Great review. As I currently have the Panasonic 14-140 on a GX8 body I really appreciated your notes comparing this lens to that. I love my 14-140 for landscape photography, the range is great for isolating subjects at distance when the full scene is not cooperating. But I think I'd like to have the slight increase in wide angle the 12-60 provides. What I'm really concerned with is image quality and if switching to the 12-60 I'll see a noticeable bump in IQ and overall sharpness.
I don't think you'll see a big jump in IQ with the 12-60. That's mainly because the 14-140 is so good. The 12-60 images are more contrasty which looks nice but I don't think there's much, if anything in it in detail. I spent 3 days in Paris with just the 12-60 and finished up wishing I'd taken the 14-140. I missed the long end much more than I gained from the wider angle. What is so unusual about the 14-140 is the way that it maintains sharpness all through the range - including the edges.
Thank you for the review. It was unclear. will the in-lens stabilization only work with my G7, which has no inbody stabilization? Your comment at about 3 min in caught my attention.
Hi Anthony - the lens stabilization will work on the G7 very well, in fact. If a Panasonic body has stabilization built in, the 12-60 will combine with it and improve it somewhat. Nonetheless, the lens stabilization is all you need on its own. On an Olympus body, you can use either lens or body as you wish but they won't work in tandem.
always super reviews! a pleasure to watch you!
Thanks very much, Camillo!
Best Buy in U.S. had a deal for GX8 bundled with this lense for....$999.00 Considering that the lense alone retails for $997.00 you can get $2000 of equipment for $1000....
That's not a deal, it's a giveaway! Was it definitely this lens, not the 12-60 f/3.5-5.6?
Wow, I just checked the Best Buy website, and it does indeed indicate the 12-60 f/2.8-4 lens comes free with a GX8! I just ordered one. I wonder if it's a mistake?
Yes! I found it on Tuesday at around 11:00AM ET by 3:30 the silver-black version was sold-out. I believe some people got this deal just to get the lense or the camera. If you sell either, you could make $600-800...
I found the same deal but I'm still trying to figure out how they can do this...??? Each one usually retails for about a thousand and you're getting both for 1K? Hmm.......
I am waiting for it to arrive at my house. I'll know for sure tomorrow. But, even when you order and the Best Buy website displays the items in your cart it does identify Leica. Will post a screenshot on your FB page.
Thank you David Thorpe. I'm new to the whole micro 4/3's set up. I bought a GH5 a few months ago. I really appreciate all these videos, I have almost watched every single one now.
Great to hear that - thanks for telling me. Great camera you've bought, too!
David Thorpe I’m really happy with it. I used to use Nikon but I was increasingly disappointed with their camera bodies. I have sold all my Nikon stuff except some really old lenses that I like from the 60’s and 70’s. I put them on converters. I do like your videos a lot, you seem to be a wealth of knowledge. I saw in one video you mentioned you did journalist photography. I was wondering if you would ever consider doing a video about that. I would be quite interested.
I'll keep it in mind. Yes, I've spent a lifetime in photography so I've learned quite a lot. Digital isn't so different from film, just doing the same thing in a different way.
Which is the best in your opinion? This, olympus 12-40 or 12-100
The sharpest one is the Olympus 12-40. The Panasonic 12-60 is the best compromise between size and zoom range .The 12-100 has the best zoom range but pays for it by being a stop slower at the wide-angle end, bigger and heavier. Every one of them has a distinctly different place in the lens spectrum. It is great to have such a choice. Any one of them is sharp enough that to tell the difference you'd need to have the results side by side at 100%.
So, there's no best as such, just best for the purpose you have in mind. If I were going to own just one lens from those three, it'd have to be the 12-100 for maximum flexibilty. For a lens to carry around all the time, the 12-60. For use with a second lens, a 35-100 or 40-150, the 12-40 Olympus. Hope that helps, Peter.
Another great review David, I always look forward to watching them. You mentioned the Olympus 12-40 2.8 pro in your video. Have you all ready done a review of this lens? Or is it forth coming?
Thanks! I bought a 12-40 rather along time after they appeared and I thought it would be a bit late to post a review. It's a real classic Micro Four Thirds lens, one of the best.
Thank you! Very convincing review. I really appreciate your thoughtful approach!
Nice of you to tell me - thank you, Marc.
Hello, I need recomendation
i am looking lens for overhead shooting videos on table for youtube , Drawing,hand craft etc. which from this two will be better for my purpose
LEICA 12-60mm, F2.8-4.0 ASPH Or LUMIX 12-35mm, F2.8 II ASPH
Thank you for your time.
I'd suggest the 12-60mm. It focuses a little closer and the edge to edge performance is better at 40mm where you'll likely be using it. Also, the extra 20mm may be useful to give you a little more room between camera and your work top. However, don't overlook the Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8. It has stunning edge to edge performance, better than most primes can muster and the lack of stabilization won't matter for your uses. A real star performer with close focus and possibly a little cheaper than the alternatives. In any case, make sure whatever lens you decide on is long enough focal length to give you the space to work uncramped.
Hello , thanks for reply i am Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 is good lens but i prefer native lens because dual ibis. what do you think LUMIX 35-100mm, F2.8 II will work in this situation or better choos between this two 12-35 12-16 . Distance between table and tripod is about 21 inch
They all focus closer than that so it really depends on how much working distance you want between the overhead camera and the worktop. Since the camera will be on a tripod or stand of some kind, you won't be using stabilisation so I presume you want it for other circumstances. Assuming a work area of 40cm wide to be videos, with a 35mm focal length you'd be looking at a working distance of 80-90cm. I don't think the 12-35mm gives you enough flexibility over distance, because you can't get further away than about 1m. The 35-100 limits you in how close you can get and you certainly won't be wanting to use the 100mm end. So, overall, your best bet is the 12-60mm, I'd say. Turn the stabilization off, though!
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All good video's!... wrt this lens, is it weathersealed?
Thanks! Yes, it is weaathersealed.
I prefer a fixed aperture zoom lens; especially for video. Weather sealed is a bonus.
I prefer a fixed aperture in principle but compromises have to be made if you want something smaller than it otherwise would be. The Olympus 12-40 is great but it is bigger and heavier and has a lesser zoom range. What's good is to have the choice.
Hi David, will you review the 12-60mm f3.5-5.6 kit lens as well?
I'll try to get hold of one, Kingsley.
Hi David, I have a Panasonic G7, do you think the Panasonic Leica 12-60mm f/2.8-f4 would be good enough to shoot in door sports like basketball and hockey? Which lens would you use?
It would depend how far away from the players you were and how well lit the play area was. My feelings are that this lens wouldn't be long enough and you'd need a minimum 100mm. The perfect and best lens for this would be the Olympus 40-150mm Pro f/2.8 but it is (relatively) big and expensive. The Panasonic 100-300 f/4 to f/5.6 might fill the bill best otherwise. I'd definitely scope it first though, to make sure what focal length you need.
Hi David, Thanks for the quick response! Turns out that I just purchased the Panasonic 100-300mm lens for $300.00 dollars off of E-Bay. It should be here any day now. I did try using the Panasonic 14-140mm f/3.5 to 5.6 but It was not fast enough, had a lot of blurry pictures. I will definitely check out the Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 lens you suggested. Thanks David!!
You'll find what you want, I'm sure.
Regards from Sweden! I'm really torn between the 12-60f
2.8 and the 12-35 constant f2.8. I can't make up my mind. Help!!!!!
Regards from London! It is difficult, I know. The 12-35 has a relatively restricted zoom range, a bit short for portraits, for example. The 12-60 covers a much more useful range but is only f/2.8 at 12mm. IQ, they are both good as you'd expect. I'd say that the 12-35 makes most sense if you have, or intend to have, the 35-100 f/2.8. If you intend to use the zoom standalone, I'd go for the 12-60. The Olympus 12-40mm is worth looking at, too. That bit longer than the Panasonic and in terms of IQ about the best in Micro Four Thirds.
Thanks for the reply. I don't own a GH5 yet, but I rented one recently with the Leica 8-18. Doing city filming in Stockholm, I felt like the zoom I had on that lens was certainly adequate. It's my own fault really. I've been using a Canon HFG10 since 2011.
Until I saw what a GH5 can do, I was perfectly pleased with the Canon!
Even the HD quality is fantastic with the GH5!
It seems to me, that if I'm going to dive into such an advanced camera as the GH5, it would make more sense with a constant aperture - based on what little I've begun to learn. But, I continue to vascilate between those lenses!!!
@@312SES For video, I'd agree that a constant aperture is more important than for stills to avoid any exposure unsteadiness. Mind you, with video, manual exposure - and focusing - make a lot of sense.
Would you recommend the 12-60mm for someone who already has an Olympus 60mm F2.8? Or would you recommend going with either a 12-35/12-40 F2.8?
The Olympus 12-40 is fantastic lens and I find the extra 5mm on the long end is more useful than it sounds. The downside is that quite a bit bigger and heavier than the Panasonic. Because of the size and the fact that you already have a 60mm lens, I'd opt for the Panasonic. But there's no wrong choice here.
David Thorpe thank you very much for your reply!
Hi David, excellent review, thank you. I bought the gh5 and this lens as a kit. My issue is the variable f range and find it annoying to have to readjust to get my exposure right. I’ve invested in the Olympus’s 40 - 150 and their 7 - 14 after watching your reviews and playing with them. I’m really tempted to go Olympus all the way and exchange the LEICA lens for the Olympus 12 - 40 pro. Any thoughts on this - or from anyone? Thanks. Simon.
Thanks, Simon. Are you using manual exposure? Otherwise the camera takes care of it, surely? The three Olympus lenses make most sense because they cover a wide range with little duplication. The extra 20mmm range of the Panasonic can mean a bit less lens changing but overall, I'd prefer the Olympus lens solution. My own outfit is a real dogs breakfast of a mix but it works for me! It's at goo.gl/e1F8aN
Hi David, thanks for such a quick response - Olympus have a deal on at the moment so I need to decide quickly! I’ve used the manual mode a lot - for video (a new area to me) so that’s when it’s noticeable when coming in or out on a frame. Will check out the kit link - I’m sure this will be very useful. Thanks again for your help and straight forward reviews. Will be returning regularly. Best wishes. Simon.
Highly informative review as always, comprising all the facts you need to know about the lens, presented with the authority of a total expert.
Glad you liked it, Keith.
nice lens indeed, but I don't think I'd sell my Lumix 12-60mm to purchase the panny Leica 12-60mm
I don't think I'd feel compelled to do so either. Maybe of the lens was f/2.8 all the way but then it's be much bigger and more expensive.
@@DavidThorpeMFT body update first looked at the G90 but may bypass it straight to the G9👍
@@lfcmarkeb7124 The G9 has some good price offers at the moment (as I'm sure you know, of course). There's no question it's the better camera and the recent firmware upgrade has made it even better. Price, I'd say that even at £150 more than the G90 it's a better buy.
Another great review. That lens is about £600 on ebay - there is a f3.5-5.6 version available for half that - is the faster one worth the extra - It's a piece of string question I know, but interested to hear your take on it.
Thanks for the kind words! I think the Leica optic is worth the extra. It justifies its price by the extra sharpness, the quality feel and construction. You are getting what you pay for so it's worth it in that sense. For the individual photographer, i think it is less certain. If it is going to be the only lens you use or the one you use nearly all the time as your general purpose optic, for serious work as well as family snaps, yes, worth it.
If it is going be used for general purposes, family shots, casual photography when you aren't using a longer tele or wides or a fast prime, no it isn't worth it in photography terms. The cheaper version will handle that perfectly well. And if stopped down, the sharpness differences between the two becomes less obvious.
Given the lenses I have, for serious stuff I use the Olympus 12-40 and 40-150 Pro zooms or m6 17 and 45mm primes. So for casual use, I'd go with the non-Leica version personally. Nice to have the choices, I must say!
Thanks for the input - I bought a GX80 after your excellent review and recommendation (I have been delighted with it!) I feared you might say that re the lens. Brace for another purchase! Keep up the excellent work.
Can't wait you reviewing Olympus 12-100. (If you do...!)
p.s. Thanks for the great reviews. I virtually watched all of them!
Thanks! I'm trying to get an Olympus 12-100 but they are less thanh hel[ful :-(
David Thorpe They don't know how to spend marketing money!!! Renting one to you for a review would be 1000 times more effective than them making their own promotional video. I want to write an email to them if it can help... sigh.
I think they must think I'd sell it or keep it or something!
One of the better videos on the 12 to 60 which I own. I also was in Paris and stayed at the Hotel de Bali near the Eiffel Tower. Some of the photos you took, took me back to walks with my wife in Paris. Merci
My favourite city. I lived in France for some years and love the French way of life and language.
@@DavidThorpeMFT Unfortunately we Americans, have not caught up to the French regarding Life Love and Liberty, they know from their past, that War is not the answer.
@@DavidThorpeMFT I also just acquired the Leica 8-18 and the Lumix 12-35 f.2.8 looking forward to using them.
@@NeoDon1 Good point! I am afraid we British are a bit aggressive these days, too. Your post below, great pair of lenses. The 8-18 is a classic.
Ur the best
He certainly is.
Some time ago i started to think to buy Olympus 12-100 f4, and i ended up with Lumix G X 35-100 f2.8 II because its way lighter, faster and about the same size and weight as my main standard lens Olympus 12-40 f2,8. So i can switch between those lenses while camera fits in same spot in bag, and i barely notice difference in weight. 12-40 is bit front heavy, zoom rings turn in opposite directions but thats it. (Third lens in my bag is Leica DG Summilux 25mm F1,4 II - weather resistant standard lens with great bokeh and rather nice purple fringing.)
Now, as my 12-40mm is about 5-6 years old i started to look for a secondary lens in case it would need some repairs, and the options were:
a) M.Zuiko 14-42 EZ power zoom pancake.
My old kit lens - I used it recently, however the image quality was bad.
b) Lumix G 12-32
Nice small pancake lens, apparently better in quality of the image than the power zoom. Also i am not much a fan of power zoom... New costs about 200-300 euro, while kit with GX 9 is now 550 euro.
c) Any prime lens within 15-20mm.
It could be pancake lens, light and small enough so I could add it to my camera bag right away. But the price is between 300-700 euros.
d) Olympus 12-100 f4
It would cover zoom range of both lenses i use, but getting such expensive lens to be just a backup one... Or a different slower super-zoom?
Considering this lens, it has same dimensions as other two zoom lenses in my bag. It would be lightest, with greater zoom range, yet "slowest" with 2.8-4.0. I also used 35-100 as a portrait lens, mostly at 60mm F4.0 - which is not covered with my 12-40. On Olympus body there are no corrections for distortions..., but According to Optical Limits, there is little to no distortion in range 25-60mm, and measured RAW values are even better than digitally corrected ones from Zuiko 12-40mm. That in combination with better 20MPix sensors could mean much better MTF resolution as was originally measured, mainly on borders of the image.
From the pictures in this video, the bokeh seems really nice, yet reviews mention so called "onion rings" highlights. At the moment one of two downsides. The other fact that as most m43 lenses, the front lens trombones out, making it less resistant to sand and dust.
Given you have the 35-100 I'd think the 12-35 f/2.8 would be the best match but expensive. I'd go for the 12-32 since you are covered for low light situations with the 25mm Panasonic. At 12mm it's only a half stop slower than your 12-40 and as you have the 35-100, you cover the focal range seamlessly. The 12-60 is good but you are buying a lot of focal range that you already have covered. The 12-32 zoom is a cracker!
Optically, 12-32 has everything i need for a backup lens, while the size would make it very convenient. Unfortunately I can get it only in kit with GX9 or GX80/880. Do i want GX9 - absolutely yes. But unfortunately i cannot justify the purchase of 3rd body with different batteries...
Also i almost forgot that dont own any "travel" lens. M. Zuiko 12-100 f4 and Lumix 14-140 would serve this purpose, while both can be used as a backup if something happen to any of my main zooms. Most of time i take photos in clubs, concerts where large cannon like 12-100 would be inconvenient and 14-140 might be have excess of focal lenght, and be bit too slow when flash is not an option...
Leica DG 12-60 can surprisingly fit role of travel lens even when taking 35-100 into consideration. 40-60mm is my favourite focal lenght for close-up portraits with zoom lenses.
@@Mir1189 Something else to watch for with the 12-32 would be to try to get one with the metal mounting ring rather than the plastic one that comes on the kit version. But the 12-60 certainly seems the one that would work best for you.
I checked it up few months ago (when i found out about my 12-42 EZ), while was still possible to order 12-32 as a standalone lens. Plastic mounts only, and kits were... a mystery.
@@DavidThorpeMFT The Leica DG 12-60 arrived few days ago. Its surprisingly light and its the most balanced lens on EM-5 Mk III (without grip). Images from Lumix lenses have bit warmer color on Olympus bodies, and remind me how the "Kodak gold" looked like. Sometimes the RAW images look bit oversaturated.
Focus is great - fast and silent, yet i dont recommend to use this lens on Olympus body on single-point focus with smallest zone selection - sometimes the focus wasnt on spot... Larger zones fixed that and its hard to tell if its body, lens or just the combination.
Zoom and autofocus are more silent than Olympus 12-40, so it might be a great all-rounder for video or an interesting choice for silent mode shooting with electronic shutter.
Hello Mr. Thorpe! Your videos (and the G80/85 book) helped me to understand better my G80, so, thank you!
I bought the camera with the 14-140 kit and I'm considering to buy the Leica 12-60 mm. I'm just a hobbist, taking pictures and videos for my family, but I'm also a perfectionist (editing home-videos since the introduction of the mini-DV camcorders....) and learned a lot of theory lately because I want to improve constantly. Do you think I will fell the increase in quality, or I'm just throwing away my money?
Thank you and best regards!
Hi Walter. I took the 12-60 with me on a trip to Paris and spent the whole time wishing I'd taken the 14-140mm! I found I use the extra zoom range as a matter of course without even realizing it. In general day to day photography you won't see much difference in IQ with the lens you have actually being a bit more consistent across the frame. Personally, I'd keep the 14-140 and maybe augment it with a fast prime, a 25mm maybe to bridge the gap when you need a bit more speed.
Thank's a lot; I already use (and like) the Panasonic 25mm/1.7; obviously I should focus more on my technique and experience rather on new gear acquisition; but probably you know, when it's itching, you have to do something about it... Any tips on GAS treatment?
Best regards!
GAS is one of the simplest things to treat, easily eliminated, Walter. Just buy everything you want. That does leave the MAS (money acquisition syndrome) but I don't have a cure for that :-)
That's a good one; I didn't knew it... Thanks again!
What do you think of the 12-35 ii vs the 12-40? My body is a g85 and I shoot video quite a bit. Should I trade sharpness for the dual is? Or should I just wait for the (probably astronomically expensive) 10-25??
The 10-25 isn't my kind of lens, just too big, too restricted a range and (I expect) too expensive for an extra stop and a half speed. I'm sure I'd find uses for it if someone gave me one, though!
My preference for an all round lens would be the Olympus. However, for video I think the Dual IS is worth having but even more so, the DfD will give more confident and smooth autofocusing than the Olympus.
@@DavidThorpeMFT Shortly after I posted my comment I saw a comparison video on the kit 12-60 vs Oly 12-40. The difference really is quite stark . I'm not sure if they updated the 12-35 to dual IS 2 as well. If they did I think the 12-35 will be the clear winner
@@evenaicantfigurethisout The 12-35 does have Dual Stabilization.
@@DavidThorpeMFT yes, but apparently it was released with the older dual IS version with the newer version adding an extra stop of stabilization.
@@evenaicantfigurethisout Personally I find the G85's IBIS good enough with or without Dual IS.
Hello!
Lens is pretty noisy when zooming and it doesn't zoom smooth. The initial friction ruins many planes. Do you have the same problem?
Hi - no something wrong there. This is an expensive lens and you have a right to expect smooth operation. Can you get it exchanged?
I dont think so, ooh, do you have some zoom footage for watch?
No, I don't. I had your problem with a 100-400mm Panasonic zoom but that was definitely faulty. If my 12-60 had such a problem I'd have pointed it out, as I did with the 100-400mm. Your problem is not acceptable on any lens, whether it cost £100 or £1000.
It's cool how this review still resonates over a year later. The classification system is brilliant! I ordered this lens today specifically due to this review. Been uh fan for uh long while David Thorpe, thanks for the great and thoughtful review but piss on ya for convincing me to drop $800! ✌
Glad you liked it! The thing is, sometimes it is necessary to be cruel to be kind. Yes, I made you spend $800 but I did it purely because I knew it would make you happy. It's the kind of guy I am :-)
Received it yesterday and only got a dozen shots off so far but HOLY poop...it feels substantially better than the 12-35 f2.8 II in hand and I didn't know how much I really wanted its extra reach in a run/gun until I let the trombone play! Just between us (haha), I traded the 12-35 with the fine folks at Adorama for the 12-60 so...I'm not out the whole $800😉 As for the 50-200mm that you reviewed...mine arrives in 3 days and I'm counting the minutes🤞 Cheers DT
Nice! As for the 50-200, lousy lens, waste of money. I hate mine. I only bought it to punish myself....oh, hold on, I was trying to save you some money but you've already bought it! In that case, I stand by my review which explains why, when I got it, it went straight in my standard kit and is used all the time :-)
well, imo too much for too litte
By far the most relevant review for this lens in my opinion.
Thanks Torsten. Glad it was useful.
I have 12-60 kit lense and 45-200 mk 1. Should I trade these two lenses for Panasonic 14-140 f3.5 -5.6? Will I loose quality in 14-60 range? Will really appreciate your opinion. I do mostly stills. Thanks
Overall, I think you'll see better quality in the 14-60 range. and elsewhere. The 14-140 is unusual in having very even across the frame perormance.
David Thorpe I used to have it for my G3 but I returned it due to terrible shutter shock. I guess it should not be an issue with G85
No, the G85's shutter eliminates shutter shock with its magnetic as opposed to spring action. There's a hybrid shutter too, like the Olympus cameras but I don't find it necessary.
David Thorpe David, thank you for answer. There is a Tamron 14-150 option available. Just wonder if you have any idea if it would be a good choose as well? Thx!
I haven't tried one myself but a quick look at some other reviews and my personal experience with the 14-140 Panasonic, one of my most used lenses, leads me to believe you are much better off with that one. It's perormance at the long end is much better than the Tamron.
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She's not a lady if she's not 280.
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As always excellent review. Thanks!
Thank you, Jorge!
Thank you for another excellent review!
Thanks!
Absolutely nail it. Well done!
Thank you!