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Independent Review Planer Thicknesser - OEM and VAR - Scheppach HMS 850 - 8" Jointer Planer [0076]
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- Опубликовано: 16 авг 2024
- In video we de a #review of the Sechppach HMS 850 Planer Thicknesser. And we explain the terms OEM and VAR
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--- Video Content ---
00:00 - Intro
00:38 - Specs
01:25 - What is OEM and VAR
04:54 - Scheppach HMS 850 Review
06:08 - Cutter Head
07:15 - Fence
08:14 - Tables
09:08 - Thicknesser
11:57 - Pros and Cons
13:33 - Planer Thincknesser Purchasing Tip
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Honest review starts at 5:01 and lasts 4 seconds. This is the way most reviews should be. Thank you.
I believe it was quite straight forward :-) Glad you found it helpful.
Great info. Thanks. New subscriber here. The point about the OEM vs VAR sellers is so important. In all these hobby grade machines there is a huge amount of rebranding going on. But in my hundreds of hours of studying magazines and video reviews I have noticed that there are often subtle differences other than colour. Usually they are not big differences and they are never worth the sometimes huge price differences.
I am glad you found the video useful. Although there may be subtle differances, typically part numbers will be identical etc. So, as a comsumer you can make an informed choice while knowing this. Welcome to the channel. Cheers.
Hello my friend,
I have the same machine. I am using Scheppach HMS 850. You honestly gave a nice review. You explained the details well. I also had a belt tearing problem with this machine. And I solved this problem myself. There is a video of how I solved it on my channel. It was a good idea to raise the fence. The thickness section is somewhat problematic. At the entrances and exits, branches form about 3-4 cm of the tree. In this, it is necessary to extend the lower table somehow. Thank you for this nice and honest review. All the best. See you later. Big greetings.
Hi again :D
I made a video on my fence upgrade for this machine. Check it out :D It makes the machine a lot better. To avoid snipe it helps lifting the board gently when it exits the machine.
Cheers.
Thank you very much for this video!! As a Swedish resident and actually was looking around for a machine like this, this was very informative to know!! I actually love you video’s - especially that they are so different from the American aspect of woodworking!! Please keep up this great work and will without a doubt have great success!😃👍 have a great week my friend
I am really glad you liked the video :-) It is very motivating getting feedback. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Your video is very attractive, creative, vibrant, colorful and interesting! thanks for sharing! Learn from you! I wish you good luck every day!
Thank your very much for your kind words. Hope to see you back on the channel. Cheers.
Excellent, candid review Gøran and I agree wholeheartedly. I bought my rather older version of this machine second hand and although I'm glad I have it, I'm also glad I got it at a bargain price! I'd be awfully disappointed if I'd paid top dollar. Generally I feel it's a powerful and well built motor/cutting head mechanism let down by the quality of the 'bodywork'. I've often wondered about making a Matthias-style home-made planer/thicknesser using the machinery but improving (lengthening) the in and out feed tables and making the safety guards easier to use, but I just don't have the space for a bigger machine. Anyway, this was most enjoyable and thanks for being so honest. And entertaining! Cheers mate.
Thaks Mark! And I couldn't agree more. Also I hope to create some awareness about the OEM/VAR system and how people are paying a lot for nothing.
Cheers and thanks for watching and commenting. It is always good to see you show up on the comments :D
Having looked at all these cheaper options, the only reasonable machine I saw in the store was the Metabo HC 260 C. It at least has 1.1 meters of tables and they don't bend. But having said that, I will be waiting when some old soviet era machine turns out used somewhere whit a longer table made out of cast iron. Your review was awesome, what I needed to keep me from buying this. I like scheppach but only for accessories, like their miter saw stands for example, which compare to the dewalt that everyone likes, are just built better. Thanks for the review!
Thanks for checking in :-) I am currently looking at the Axminster / Jet 6 inch joiner. But I haven’t decided.
@@NomadMakes The JET is a solid choice if you have the space for it and it can be delivered. A lot of people in Russia use those. Tables should be good quality based on opinions and being cast iron they will last.
@@cooper1101 Of course what I really want is paralellogram lift combi machine with a helical head, but those machines can't really be taken apart unless you are a rocket scientist, and it won't fit through the door to my workshop.... Not that I have space for it anyway.
i wish i had seen your review before i bought the machine , i did get a good deal for the price of it , my issue is how to adjust the fence im just starting out diy maybe a side hassle later on ,
That’s cool to hear mate. On my machine i think there are some grub screws to adjust the fence. But I have made my own fence. There is a video about that build on the channel. Feel free to check it out. Cheers and thanks for watching.
Very useful. Great and balanced review and in my opinion, very true. I have seen this machine price range from £150 - £650 and as you say, the only difference is the paint and labels, so buyer beware. Sad thing is for newbies this type of cheap machine (like all cheap tools) can actually put people off the trade/hobby as they're really hard to use acurately and get good results from. I think I will be spending more money on two separate machines. Shame, because I have limited space, which was the appeal of a two in one machine.
Yes. This machine is somewhat of a lost opportunity. It could be a good machine with just a few improvements.
Cheers and thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks for a very informative review.. I am considering the Lidl/Parkside version of this that they have on sale here currently. And because of that it was extremely frustrating that you repeatedly mentioned that making your DIY fence for this machine was a bit complex - but left out any hints on how you made it! If you at least had showed us the back side of the fence to give us some hints on what made it complex. 😁
Oh, now I found your video for the fence! 😁😁😁 Thanks!
Hi :-) Hope you found the video useful despite the cliffhanger ;-) Good luck with your purchase.
Thank you for the video!!! you ve just confirm my intuition...
I am glad you found it helpfull. Thanks for watching and commenting.
ok. I'll save up for a dewalt. Thanks for all the info
Thanks for watching! Cheers.
Great review, thank you,I was thinking of buying this machine, but as I have transcended from bird boxes as you say, to something more serious I will definitely pass on this machine and save money to buy something more serious. All the best from Croatia.
Thank you, Amar. I am glad you found it helpful. Let me know what machine you go for.
Great review, and great someone is adressing the whole OEM / generic products concept.
I have the Scheppach HMS 850 myself, and I was aware of its shortcomings before buying it. I’ve been quite satisfied with it (but I have my upgrade on its way) and I never fixed the fence issue - as I have a table saw with a jointing sled.
I’ve not experienced issues with the thicknesser, except for the snipe - which you’ll get on ‘all’ combos anyway. A sled will help a lot with that.
And for the chip collector I did my own research and found the two to be identical, so I got the gray one 😂
Speaking of other OEM tools, I see you got the orange version of the spindle/belt sander in the background. I got a blue one but not Scheppach. In fact, it was so cheap they didn’t even bother to put their logo on it. But still the same product.
I do belive It is indeed the exact same product. However, I got this one at a massive discount.
When you do your jointing on the table saw, are you happy with the seams? Or do you plane then sides by hand after running them through the table saw?
Cheers and thanks for watching and commenting.
@@NomadMakes Well, on the table saw I’m not happy with the surfaces, even after getting another blade with more teeth (I think it’s because of the thin kerf blade wobbling a bit), so I often run it over the jointer again (but not pressing very hard towards the fence). But since getting the Makita track saw I’m satisfied with the smooth surfaces that leaves, so that can be glued directly.
Ah. That is nice. I recently purchased a Maktia track saw as well :-) Looking forward to trying it out.
By the way. The fence is well within your skills, mate :-) I have seen your instagram :-D And it is a massive upgrade. It is just a bit finicky.
Oh! By the way. Do you have a link to that "blue machine" ? I will probably make a video on the orange one. So, it is nice to be able to give some good purchasing advice. Thx :D
@@NomadMakes I tried to comment with a link, but it looks like my commet got deleted?
Check out the oscillating belt/spindle sander from VidaXL. Maybe that is the blue machine he was taking about?
Thank you, though the fun part here is this model is the cheapest on the marked here in DK. Einhell is the next, Dedra and the other ones which -as you say- are basically the same, almost double in price.
That is strange :-) Well as long as you go into the purchase with your eyes open. You can always joint the edge of the boards on your table saw with a sled.
@@NomadMakes true... my problem is lack of space, as in.. I have zero 😛
Well…. It’s handtools then, I guess.
Oh man, you must really like the sound of Wood getting planed and hate your own voice if the sound levels are any indication 😉 I would have preferred it the other Way around. Besides that, nice video.
Thanks for letting me know about the sound levels. This is quite an old video, and I hope my audio recording and edititing skills have improved since. How about dropping by one of my newer videos and see if the audio there is more to your liking.
Cheers and thanks for watching and commenting.
How to distinguish which product of which brand is OEM?
When it comes to these planers, all of them OEM. But in general, if the products look similar. They are both OEM. When you start looking for it, you will see it everywhere.
Great review, had my doubts, but you absolutely confirmed what i was observing. I am on the market for a combo like the hms 850 and i was actually considering it, however maybe the model got overhauled, as i'm noticing key differences from the one you reviewed.
1. The fence looks much more sturdier, longer and the mechanism looks entirely different.
2. The thicknessing table has extendable supports, which i fear might increase the issue with the wobbliness of the thickneser's table if that has not been resolved.
How would these improvements (if done correctly of course) change your opinion ?
Thanks!
I’d say that the changes you mention are very welcome, as in my oppinion this planer is somewhat of a wasted opportunity. Meaning it could be a good product with minor changes.
When it comes to a purchasing desicion, I’d look at your budget, intended use and space.
A better fence is of course great, and some in/outfeed support for the thicknesser is helpful, but you will still get some snipe.
To be perfectly honest, this kind of planer is your only option before looking at a floor standing model. Unless the 6inch table top jointer will do.
The biggest issue you will have, depending on the projects you make is the lengt of the in/outfeed wings on the jointer.
In my woodworking i now do most of my edge jointing using a sled on the table saw.
For face planing I use my thincknesser if possible, or just skip-plane.
Hope that was helpful.
@@NomadMakes Issue is i'm really, really space constrained so i need this to be as small as possible for storage. I can retrofit custom made detachable extensions for both beds, but i really need this to be able to produce reliable quality results. I was looking into the bigger brother hms1070, which has more width and a more powerful motor, but it also has more length to the planer bed, which will cause storage issues for me. I am really novice and i doubt this tool will be used heavily so i'm trying to work out if its worth the investment into the bigger and more powerful hms1070 or i should just get the parkside sibling of this, which is identical to the one in your review, but will cost about 30% less than the upgraded hms850
@spalxy I feel your pain mate! My workshop is only 12m2. In that case, I’d say go for the cheapest one. That way you will see through your projects what your real need is.
Om man har ruller eller bord i samme høyde som bunnen av inn/utmaterbordet, vil ikke det gjøre tykkelseshøvelen mer nøyaktig, for høvling av lengre bord?
Jo. Det hjelper det. Om man har plass så kan man også bygge den inn i en benk. Jeg bruker ruller sånn som du beskriver.
@@NomadMakes takk for svar. Har begrenset budsjett, så skulle ha hatt en rimelig og god nok høvel/avretter. Har du noe bedre tips enn å kjøpe denne?
@alexanderopel Hei igjen Alex! I grunn ikke. Har sett disse som Einhell og Scheppach i Norge. Er samme mansikinene. Men er grei maskin om du er på budsjett.
I bought a machine like this as you say they are mostly the same, i had bad luck with mine as i had 3 which all got returned as all had same fault infeed and out feed tables were uneven i gave up trying to buy one now
These really are a struggle. I was lucky with this one though. Maybe Scheppach does some quality control? Although I doubt it. Cheers and thanks for watching and commenting.
The reason is because there is only one screw that adjust the whole shebang on the infeed table. I had EXACTLY the same machine, sans the fence which was rather okay on mine (no need to remove for thicknessing), but it worked great: It was a cheaper model with black paint and different stickers. I sold it, and got a ML392 in stead. it has one screw that adjusts the infeed, but the whole table is secured in a way that makes it move parallel no matter what.
Great machines for small shops and infrequent use, but they do have their limits. My advice: if space and money allows it, go bigger. At least choose the color you like best. Or repaint the thing. Be a VAR yourself! :D
@@vharboe Be a VAR yourself :D LOL.
What to buy? Budget can go up a bit? Researching and researching but difficult! Any recommendation would be highly appreciated
What size of lumber are you looking to joint?
@@NomadMakes min 200mm but preferably 250 or more :)
@@martinmenso6671 with or length?
@@martinmenso6671 this one does 200mm wide boards.
@NomadMakes yes I understand that. But I want some quality and something a DIYer can grow with? :) After your review this kind of machine and all its VAR don't fell good
So that machine isnt worth buy it? which problems have?
Hi! I am not sure I understand the question. The topic was fairly well covered in the video.
Hope it was helpful. But feel free to ask if you have spesific questions. Cheers.
I bought the new Grizzly combo planer/jointer (receiving it tomorrow) and now I’m worried it’s basically the same thing as the Sheppach.
Hi Aaron! Do you have the full name for the Grizzly?
@@NomadMakes G0959 for the 12” model and G0958 for the 8” model
It looks like the same machine. However, looking at the pictures on the Grizzly website, the fence looks better AND it has a helical head.
Maybe the most important issues have been adressed…? It would be cool to know how you like this newer version of the machine after having tried it.
@@NomadMakes at $1000, the 12”/ 305mm model is expensive but it does have a true helical cutter head with 28 1.5mm carbide blades. The fence does look thicker too with a better adjustment mechanism in back. The jointer bed has grooves in it which seems more common on European models. I’m not sure what to think because it could be really nice or not great at all. For $1,000, it needs to be solid. I accept the smaller planer bed since a 12”/305mm jointer bed is impossible to find under several thousand dollars on a commercial unit.
If it is a space issue then you just have to make it work anyway. But if I could choose, I would have a floor standing model. However, as you point out, at 12 inches the capacity is hard to beat. I mean you yourself is the only one that knows what your requirements are when it comes to capacity.
Triton is exactly the same only cheaper
Yes. They are the same machine. Like most OEM tools :-) Cheers and thanks for watching and commenting.
Ah. I misread. I know Titan sell one. Does Triton sell the same machine as well?
@@NomadMakes I meant titon lol
Ah. Cool ;-)
I do wonder if the VAR sellers specify to use cheaper components in their version sometimes. The Titan really is the cheapest you can get, but many reviews of it day it is screechingly loud, much louder than other versions of this machine. Maybe they got the price right down by specifying the cheapest bearings they could.