£220 Erbauer EPT1500 254mm Planer/Thicknesser [Video
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- Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2019
- In this video I answer a few of the many questions around my recent purchase of the #Erbauer EPT1500 250/200mm #Planer/Thicknesser or #jointer - the cheapest new 250mm planer/thicknesser you can currently buy in the UK.
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Hi Peter, thank you for explaining the 'jointer' role, which I never understood before today.
I bought the equivalent model from Workzone many years ago. I took the time to square it all up which was repaid in the years after. I have since built and flown 2 wooden build aircraft, and i am now builiding the 3rd one. My unit is accurate to 0.10 mm and has planed/thicknessed approx 4000 m of wood in all sizes.
Quirky little devil. Do come back and update us on the performance down the road. Really appreciated the time you took to walk us through the sequential steps of truing a board, face by face on that type of equipment. I was never really able to grasp the basic theory of that operation while watching others do that. Now it is crystal clear and the information will be usable with hand tools or machinery. Thank you.
Thanks! Yes, there’ll be more to come on this as I get to use it more. 👍👍
Another helpful video and I appreciate you highlighting the issues a buyer needs to be aware of 👍
Great video as always Peter. Wish you had made it about 2 years ago when I bought the Titan you mention. I hardly use and when I do only in thickness mode. In surfacing/jointing I found the results to be very disappointing. Maybe technique my but I found that boards came out with more twist than they started with, so I went back to doing it by hand the old fashioned way.
Thanks, Peter, this looks like a good buy for about £200. Used to have a Dewalt over and under a few years ago. I can assure you that all these small machines have some petty niggles that could have been sorted out at the design stage. Moved up to an Axminster trade unit, bliss!
I have the Charnwood 8 inch model in thicknesser mode I unscrew and take the whole blade guard off. Also I use my battery drill with a hex head bit to run the thickness selector up and down.
Thanks Peter,as ever a useful video. I will be in the market for one soon, so very timely.
In Scotland we call it facing and edging. I've never used that type of machine I've only used full sized industrial over head planers and facer and Edger they are quite big machines and scerry things I thought when I started bench joinery and cabinet making .
I did have a very similar model. Changing from thicknesser to surface planer was a chore. After shortening my middle finger by about 1/2 an inch on the surface planer, I decided that perhaps it wasn't the tool for me. I've now got a stand alone thicknesser from Axminster
I had one of these for years, bought it used, it worked very well for the price. I recommend you fasten it down to the bench to prevent it tipping when you machine big planks. I sold it for more than it cost me, and bought a bigger Scheppach.
Hello there,
That's an interesting story. I didn't know that there were "bigger" Scheppachs. The equivalent to this one now costs 440€ here in France- far too much for what it has to offer. I wonder what model you bought?
got one myself and the start switch did the same ,but after a while of pressing the off switch first then the start it worked perfectly
Good insight into the planer/thicknesser. That said I don't do enough in wood to justify buying one.
Hi Peter, I had totally forgotten about the up/down handle, I had an extension for a screwdriver (if you buy a set of screwdriver bits you get one of these) and added it to the handle so I don't have that problem anymore.
Had one for about 7 years and its still going strong, I only use it for thicknessing small stock instead of using the big wadkin
Already got a dewalt but found this very interesting. Many thanks
Very nicely explained from start to finish. It's certainly helped me in my decision and understanding of what i'm after. Thanks a lot..
Thank you! 👍
Nicely done Peter 😁👍. I could almost hear the "explanation boxes" being ticked during your description 👍👍. I did have the smaller Titan, which was great... to start with... but after 6 months it turns in to a different animal. Big issues with incurable snipe and the wibbly wobbly fence became wibblyer and wobblyer (made up words), got lucky and did the 100 mile round trip thing for an old cast iron "Fox" unit. The difference is fenominal. Keep up the great vids 😁👍.
Cheers Frank! No snipe (so far) on this one 👍👍
I have to say it’s a nice all in one especially for the size.
I a retired automotive technician and I’ve come to dislike engineers, it’s like they have no common sense lol. But looks like a great machine, I have a 8” jointer with a 6’ bed it works incredible but it takes up way to much space.
I loved your video on your holiday not only fascinated but incredible to see how much or high the water comes up, and people who live there seem to just roll with it, that alone is just incredible. Take Care
Thanks! 👍👍
I'm with you on that one, Peter; that bolt being an inch too short would drive me nuts too (pardon the pun). I would actually demand a longer bolt from Erbauer. Thanks for sharing this. looks like a good machine for the price though.
I bought an Erbauer Tile Cutter the other week that had the exact same issue with the switch - you had to hold it in to keep the motor running. Obviously cut a bit of an issue with their QA process but as you say, comparing specs / prices with other models and given I don’t do much tiling can’t complain too much
It will be interesting to see how you grow to hate or love the machine overtime...My Lass says sizes matters so a few extra inches will make using it in thicknesser mode a more enjoyable experience! I appreciate the video!
Looks like it does the job....eventually! The thing with entry level kit is that it works well at first, (once you get over the design flaws). Long term things go wrong and you find everything is made to the same quality as the original glitches that you found.
I'm afraid I wouldn't have listened to the Screwfix nonsense about dismantling. I'd have put it on the counter and asked them to show me the clause in the guarantee relating to how much storage space they have when accepting a return, then asked how much compensation I was getting as a professional tradesman for having to build another one....unless you have time to do it and test it for me, because if I have to bring another one back......?!!
Got there in the end though.
Relating to the winder issue, would that guard not have flipped over the opposite way?
I've had a DeWalt thickness-er for about 15 years now. Still as good as new, I have an entry level 6" stand alone planer, again that still works well, but hasn't seen much use.....hence all my wavy installations ;-)
Really useful quick 'review', thanks Peter
I had the Titan machine which was ok but not particularly easy to change modes. I gave that machine to a friend when I moved from the UK. Hopefully I will be able to get a new workshop setup in 2022.
I have the SCHEPPACH HMS 2000 204MM from SF. It’s very good.
I wish I could afford a Wadkin. Nearly bought one a year ago for a couple of grand. But I don’t do enough planing/thicknessing to justify it.
Hi Peter. I bought the Titan 8" PT two years ago. Since then it has worked hard and never missed a beat. I am now thinking of upgrading to the Erbaurer 10" to be able to plane and thickness wider larger planks. I have mine on a cart with casters and manage to use the machine for thicknessing with the blade guard on the other side from where I stand. Not so easy on your bench though. Swopping from one mode to the other is very easy once you have done it a few times!
Thanks. Yeah, this was just a 'first thoughts' video from a while back - I've used it a bit more now, most recently in the 'my first chopping board' video - ruclips.net/video/WkRQ9gSD0Go/видео.html! 👍👍
I had a Woodstar for a while, which I'm guessing is another version of the same machine? Good results for what it was but it was a complete PITA to setup & use. It fairly quickly stripped a gear, which was irreplaceable so it ended up in a skip, which is a real waste. Ended up with a more industrial, second hand, machine which has been worth every penny & will probably outlast me. The only disadvantage is the space it takes up. I guess the whole buy nice or buy twice is why most people end up with Festool eventually.
Hi Peter thanks again for a very informative video of the planer/thicknesser ‘pre-review’ review. Was looking at the Titan but this gives that bit more for not a lot extra. Thanks
It's the same machine as the Titan, just branded differently, I've used the Titan for a couple of years and for the money you can't complain.
@ J-P W. No, it’s not the same machine. As I say in the video, there *was* an Erbauer machine that was similar, this is a 10”/250mm P/T, the Titan is 8”/200mm. Different animal altogether. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Your absolutely right Peter, for some reason I had it in my head my Titan had a 10" bed on it, oh well.
I had one of these, great machine couldn't fault it apart from the thicknesser bed winding up or lowering on one side first
Did you find the cause?
I have the smaller Titan version from Screwfix. It does a good job apart from the inevitable "snipe" issue . However the large pulley drive belt snapped after the machine stood idle for a few months.
They are not the easiest items to source and I suspect that the pulley bearings may seize after periods of non -use.
After the machine has stood idle for a while I suggest that the front cover be removed and the pulleys are checked for free movement prior to starting otherwise the thin drive belt will be shredded in seconds.
I had an Erbauer 10 miter saw. Really good, cut well, powerful, accurate. Good value for money.
When it failed about 3 years down the line the lack of available spare parts meant I had to scrap it. If you buy DeWalt, sorry I am a black and Yellow chap, but similar with Mikita and other you can get spares. When the black and yellow router died spares not an issue, and I fixed a Bosch router for a friend, easy spares again
As the guarantee is two years, if it dies after this time that is the end of your investment
Yes. If that happens I’m perfectly happy with the sunk cost of ~£9/month. If it lasts longer then I’m quids in. 👍
Ok if you don't use it to often , it's not designed for heavy work loads but ok for the jobber joiner or home use , I would bye separate units as it gives two separate motors that gives less load conditions on them !
Peter I just looked at this model in screwfix this afternoon hopefully you will do a review hopefully I will get the man in the red suit and white beard drop one off 👍👍
Hi Peter, I am on to my 2nd planer/thicknesser, I bought the 1st one from Screwfix and was very happy with it for over a year. The only reason I bought another one is my son "borrowed" my 1st one and has very sticky fingers so after several requests for him to return my machine I decided that it would be easier to buy another one. I use mine outside, so I don't hook it up to dust collection but ear defenders are a must. I am very happy with the quality of the wood after it has been through the thicknesser and apart from breaking a belt "this was my fault trying to take off too much wood" I haven't had any problems with it. Just to upset you both of my machines were under £100. The 1st machine I had, there were no micro switches and as I don't use the dust hood I took the 2nd machine back because I could not get it to work. The manager of Screwfix read the manual that came with the machine and put the dust hood on and the machine started straight away
Thanks John! 👍
Absolutely agree with the blade guard in the ribs issue. My lack of patience with poor design features would have me pull the plastic end cap off the guard and slide it out and off. That would probably be safer than the inadvertent jamb in the ribs which could bend the not so rigid assembly. Slide it out, slip it back in when done with thicknessing. Not having it right in front of me and not being likely to actually have that occur here in the US, it's just a speculative solution. Pretty sure you'll get creative and remedy that nuisance. ;-)
At the end of the day you for what you get, do agree the handle should have been longer , the switch mine went just after the the year so mine was broken so replacement was a better switch stuck out a little bit more, but worked well still is 3 years on. Planing machine I used a Whitehead 3 phase 8" blades and 4" thickness cut. Cast iron table and cast body, but that was second hand 50 plus years ago and then cost more than yours. I we used to do the blade change on it 3 blade block it had, sorry gone on a bit. If it works for you great keep us informed. Get on to company about safety with the adjuster handle. Might has sorted it out by the time I buy one. Keep on enjoy channel.
Thanks Peter! I have another badge version of this machine and the fence is even flimsier, and yes the height drive handle is still a product from Bastards Incorporated. (Classic Aussie comedy - worth a search.) But otherwise, like you say, it's reasonable and serviceable for the price if you only need it occasionally. With some patience, decent results come out of it and you can pack it away under a bench
Cheers Jason! Yes, the ‘packing away under the bench’ part is a must, for me! 👍👍
I've had one of these for several years now and it's a great tool, a bit cumbersome at times but a very good and valuable tool.
Good to know, thanks Peter! 👍👍
Only today found this video, but it has been of great help. Btw I have found the machine, but with a different brand name. But it does seem they listened to you as they have changed some of the features you spoke about.
I have that same machine Peter. The issue with the cutting off is due to the flimsy "safety" cut-out. There is a little mild steel lever which presses against a micro-switch to complete the circuit. This lever is very flimsy and bends easily. If you take the side cover off, it's very easy to bend it back into shape. The trick is to be very careful when using the machine as a planer or jointer. The dust collection port presses against the lever & can bend it if the height adjuster is over-tightened. Just wind the mechanism until you hear the micro-switch click and you're golden.
Thanks Tom, appreciate the comment on an older video. It wasn’t the micro switch/cut-out though - that was one of the first things I checked - but I agree it’s a pretty flimsy affair! 👍
I had one of these machines for ½ a day. It arrived, I unboxed and assembled it. Plugged it in then thought to check the infeed/outfeed flatness. There was about a 2degree up angle on the infeed table and no means to adjust it like on my old Axminster Perform unit. Shame, it looked promising. It was back with Screwfix for a full refund the same day. Only real gripe - the box disintegrated as I repacked it but Screwfix didn't mind.
Hi Peter, I had one of these for awhile 8”. Used for many years on and off. However it did fail when a mate was using it. Wasn’t the switch or the brushes so just got rid. Think I got my monies worth though. Was happy with the results but as you say the changeover was a faff. Keep safe.
Thanks! Yes, the 8" is a bit more widely available under different brands/badges. I know guys who have had the Titan version for years without any problems, and I agree - at this kind of price if it breaks and it isn't an easy fix, it's time to move on! 👍
Excellent video. I think I'm getting one. Thank you
Hi peter love you video mate , I’ve had a erbaure planner thicknesses for a couple of years . And to be honest it’s not bad it dose what I want it to with good results , bit on the noisy side but a good pair of ear defence works for me
Yeah, not quiet, but producing a fine result so far 👍👍
I took my Titan planer thicknesser back to Screwfix a while ago because of a malfunction and they took it back as it was; no question of having to dismantle it. The same with an Evolution mitre saw more recently.
Thanks! Yes, this is what I’m being told by those at the ‘coal face’. 👍👍
Just been to Screwfix and got the titan myself it was recommended as a entry level machine (by almost everyone I spoke to about a thickness jointer unless I wanted to spend £500+) hardly any difference between these two machines (except size of cut) was told they take the same blades...? Looking forward to see how you get on with it. Keep us updated!
3:30 "Why didn't you buy used machine?" For that question very, very simple answer. Very good machines/equipment that are used just aren't sold virtually at all. I buy very mismash of tools. But certain tools for even hobbyist like myself I get top-of-the-end quality ones, like ratchets, sockets etc. They cost much and I intend to use them for long as I live if possible. This is quite common, so very high quality used things for cheap price are almost non-existent. It's pretty much when stuff are sold from someone who has died when you _might_ come across them. Or option two that you have very good connections to people and manage to get stuff that companies dismiss etc. It's like I have bought one toolset of about 500 euros, so I'm not going to sell it and get worse option. I'd sell pretty much anything else if it got to that point. People who purposely buy expensive items tend to really think through that purchase to not have disappointment. Plus the almost universal truth is that almost always expensive stuff is good stuff. Like I bought 20euro Jigsaw and thought that it would be good enough for my very modest needs. I tried it twice and throw it in trash as it missed following: t-shank, speed adjustment and swing. I ordered about 250 euro machine with all those missing items, plus soft start, automatic torque compensation, low center of gravity frame etc. I was sure that I'll be bit disappointed to buy so expensive replacement. But after first cut I was already convinced that "this is the thing" and now I would also be very hesitant to get rid of it. Good stuff is just worth it in many cases. Especially if you've suffered with the poor quality ones :)
went to buy one of these and none about. had to get the charnwoods version which seems very similar. seems pretty good so far but first jointer/thicknesser i have ever used.
There are two videos by Matthias Hornberger and Cosmas in which they build a diy fence on their very similar machines. Thought it might help! Cheers
Peter, I have the ALDI version that they sell here in Australia, looks identical to yours except the base colour is red and the knobs are yellow. Had it a couple of years and it hasn't broken and still cuts well. The planer guard is similar to yours, but it must be easier to remove as I just remove it to so it is not in the way of the adjusting handle for the thicknesser. I like that the distance rulers are spot on, ie zero is zero and a 2 mm cut takes 2 mm off. I would like it to be quieter. Despite your rocky start with the switch, I hope it works out well for you.
Thanks Bob! I think the Aldi machine is a smaller one 200mm planing vs 250mm, but all of these machines share a lot of DNA! The way I see it for the money, if it breaks in 2 years it’ll get replaced under warranty, if it breaks after 2 years I’ll have had my money’s worth out of it, and if I outgrow it before then I can move it along and whatever it’s cost me will be money well spent on learning. 🤷♂️👍👍
I was spoiled. I had a machine that plained both sides at the same time - while jointing BOTH! edges at the same time as well! We called it “the 4 blade machine” but in Swedish.
They're called 4-cutters in the UK. Useful bits of kit!
Just found your channel and enjoyed your video -- very helpful! Thanks and have subscribed!
Thanks, and welcome! 👍
I nearly purchased one of those but went with the Triton Thicknesser as I use hand planes as well
I’m thinking of doing the exact same. What do you think of the triton?
Very wise choice, its amazing value and so much better
As I mentioned on Twitter, I adore my Titan one and it seems remarkably similar in all aspects. From memory I’m sure I had my safety guard lifted up and pushed in so as not to foul the turny handle for thicknessing. I’ve not had an issue with mine running all manner of wood through it. But I’ve not needed the extra capacity, so I was happy to pay £99 on special offer for mine. It does seem there is a gap in the market for a well-made but not extortionate version of this machine though!
Thanks! Yes, on the Titan, and earlier 200mm versions of this machine apparently, the guard could flip out of the way I’m told. 👍👍
Peter Millard begs the question; Why change it?! That seems to be a common theme of designers not actually using the product or at least running it through test groups. All the best!
This was very interesting to see what someone else thought of these machines.
I bought the cheaper Titan model. The first one I had to return because the planer platforms were not on the same plane, so it made every piece curved. At first I thought I must be missing an adjustment process, but Screwfix took it back as a complete machine, and exchanged it without any issues, which is a big reason why I got one from them.
I work with a lot of oak, so the smaller size suits me fine, as larger pieces would be too heavy for me to manage anyway.
I like the combined unit, because it takes up so little space.
But you are right about the blade guard and blade hight handle clash, as it is annoying, but I've got used to working around it.
Thanks! 👍👍
Interesting and educational. Thank you.
The Bernardo PT 250 has a similar design, but the thickness adjustment crank is on the other side of the shaft. It doesn't bother.
Thanks for the video. Great one as I'm in the market for a P&T but don't have budget for a pricey number. This may be just the job.
Early days, but seems a lot of bang for the buck, as long as you set your expectations appropriately 👍👍
Does the chip extractor in place while thicknessing cover the rotating blades so the guard can be taken off ?
Does the vertical jointer fence move across the bed to allow for spreading the wear over the full length of the cutters? If it does not you can only joint on one part of the blade. Also a pity if it can't be angled to 45 degrees.
You don't need the bladeguard while you are using the underfloor-thicknesser. Just remove it using the red knob-srew.
Regards.
I bought the Titan about 9 weeks ago did look at the Erbauer but for space thought the 8" rather than the 10" suited my space better, like you I didnt like the fence (yours look more sturdy than the Titan) but to be fair it is square and quite solid but can & will be improved on, a good edition the the shop and I will find more uses for it, blade longevity is my main concern but they look cheap to replace. The Titan has the same annoying thicknesser handle trouble my blade guard has to stick out and it is a pain in the arse, as you say people who design most things only ever see them on paper or when they are built, they have NEVER used/tested it
Great straight talking video as usual thanks. What also bugs me with the top guard obstructing the height adjuster is there is one plastic knob and one nut. If they both had plastic knobs it would be quick to remove the planer guard. I guess there is some health and safety reason. Your idea of a taller height adjuster would sort it. I would be interested to know it is down to cost, health and safety or they just didn’t think of it but the Titan is the same it’s really annoying and having the guard sticking out like that and could cause an accident. Regards John from County Durham .
Cheers John! Yes, it’s a bit of a mess; I assume the “one knob, one nut” is to dissuade you from removing it - and so forgetting to refit it. Anyway, more to come on this in future. 👍👍
I've got one of these that's branded Lumberjack that I've had for 5-6 years and there are some differences. Firstly the fence isn't as solid looking but the quality look about the same (needs work to make it that usable). The handle for the thicknesser bench is different though and you can adjust it with the guard over the top of the dust collector. Finally the bed has a bit that comes out to allow it to catch longer pieces of wood. Is it amazing, no, but as I think was the conclusion here it's about the best you'll get for the size and price point for a hobbyist who's starting out.
Thanks! Yes, exactly! Always amazes me that some folks can't seem to see beyond the fact that it's the cheapest 10" P/T available. It's a 10" P/T vs no 10" P/T - I thought that was a simple enough choice, lol! Far from the best, but for the money there's nothing else that comes close. 🤷♂️ 👍
Hi Peter,i have the Titan model and for the top blade guard problem ive removed the far end screw so the cap can pull off then slide the gaurd completely out of the way,5 second job reattaching it back together.
Thanks. As I say in the vid, I can’t recommend removing safety features. 👍
The fence is often shorter than the bed, if you look at the expensive units this is normal (Kity, Casolin, Felder etc). Longer it is, harder to keep it square.
Yes, he doesn't seem to be familiar with the tool
I thought I was doing something wrong with the depth rotator hitting the guard. Glad I’m not the only one who came across this 😂
You would think that when designing a machine that needs for one of its primary functions a solid square edge that you would make sure it can be fixed securely! I bet a fair few of those machines that passed quality control don't have beds and/or fences that are coplanar or even flat.
I got the Triton thicknesser and other than some snipe on the last 50mm of stock it performs well; either I got lucky or the Chinese have figured out how to make a spinny blade on couple of pilars. This single function machine cost a little bit more than the combi versions such as the one featured in the video, but I figured better to have a machine that does one job properly and without any faff than two jobs poorly and/or with a lot of faff.
I also checked before buying the thicknesser that spares and blades were available and reasonably priced.
It's relatively straightforward to make a jig to flatten stock using a thicknesser and then square up an edge with a track or table saw. It's also considerably safer to have the machine drag the work through past the cutting head than push it by hand down and over the cutting head.
I bought what looks like the same model, just different brand, had it more than 6 months and only gripe for me after using it a lot, is that the jointer doesn't work so well on longer boards. Think the infeed table is slightly out and no way to adjust it. Also on my version the socket for the winding crank is on the other pillar screw so not affected by the blade guard...
Great segment thx. On the cusp of buying such a unit as an amateur wood worker so very useful......any updates since?
Nothing of note - still working fine. 👍
I find the health and safety aspect quite interesting. I have a commercial workshop that has several 1930's wadkins etc and they certainly don't have any health and safety aspects to them. Certainly it has never been a concern of mine when buying them. It's not even crossed my mind.
I'm sure there are many workshops around the country in a similar position, but let me pose a rhetorical question, at the end of a short story; many years ago a delivery guy reversed into my parked car, all caught on CCTV, cut & dried, my car was parked perfectly legally, locked, handbrake on, no question who was at fault. What's the first thing the insurance 'loss adjuster' who visited did? He checked the tread on my tyres, 'cos if they weren't legal then they wouldn't settle. So, perish the thought, but in the event of a significant workshop insurance claim, do you think the insurers would just accept it, or would they try and wriggle out of it by checking your gear over very carefully? As I say, rhetorical question, but I have a pretty good idea where my money would be. Stay safe. 👍
Add a piece of pipe onto the part the handle goes onto mate. Thanks for the review
I've always thought that this the most useful tool for the hobbyist / occasional carpenter: quality wood is expensive and a pain to get so owning a tool like this enables you to re-use any old bit of timber or parts of furniture that comes your way. Ok, it only handles planks up to a certain size so you'll need another tool to cut them but that's besides the point (you can always gnaw at larger pieces till they get to a size that fits).
Now, having said that, re-cycling wood can be fraught with perils... of all sorts.
At the very least, a strong magnet would be very handy in detecting nails and screws but, still, it would only pick those made of iron.
Hello there,
Apparently there ARE metal detectors on the market. It might be with looking into.
I have one of these and I managed to burn out the motor, sort of. The motor is actually electrically OK but the casing which is very cheap Bakelite type thermosetting plastic cracked up, probably due to excessive heat/load. I bought a new motor from Charnwood which cost about 100 pounds, (not available from Erbauer BTW). To prevent it happening again I put a row of 2" holes across the vertical side plates on one side to improve the ventilation. I also took the drive belt off the roller drive to reduce the load. I am considering fitting a small separate roller drive motor to reduce the speed to a crawl. I will only put the drive back on if I'm doing thicknessing.
Sounds good! 👍
Hi Peter
I have just bought the DeWalt 733 thicknesser for just over £500 but have been too busy to get it out of the box so far although I have made a stand for it in readiness. I always look to buy the best I can afford and looked around for ages at different types but was put off the dual thicknesser/planer as it seems to involve a lot of faffing about to go from one function to the other ! Good luck with yours and I’ll let you know how I find mine.
Cheers Craig! No space for separates, so a combi machine was the only option. 👍👍
Peter, I own the previous version. Can I ask what do you use for chip extraction on the 100mm outlet ?.
i have had one of these for a few years now. Here is NZ a shop called The Toolshed sells them under their own brand name. i agree about the safety cover an longer turning handle would have been great. what i have found is that over time the thicknesser is great but the planer bed does not plane evenly. i’ve sharpened the cutting blades but still doesn’t work great, so now i don’t use it. i plan to upgrade at some point
Good to know, thanks! 👍
It doesn't seem to be available in the USA, but it looks good for a woodworking hobbyist and at less than $300.
I don’t think Screwfix have any presence in the US, and I don’t think Erbauer make anything in 110v, so no, not likely! 👍
Good day, I was pleased to hear the 250mm was available, I know it’s been a year, but it seems they’re no no longer sold, can’t find one anywhere
Yes, so I’ve been told. If you look through the comments I think a few folks have said they found it at B&Q. This vid’s from November 2019 BTW, and I bought it a couple of months before that. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Yes, B&Q are advertising them at £110 down from £220
Even tho they don’t have any..
Great channel, if you get a lot of pings it’ll be me binge watching 👍
I removed the slide out blade guard on my machine as this is a pointless part. My fence has a back guard that covers the blade so I set the fence to the width of the timber.. this machine has a fixed position for the fence so you will always have to lean over the rotating blades.
surely the top guard is only required when using as a planer and can be removed when using as thicknesser as the dust extractor acts as a top guard or am I missing something.
Peter, if you do get around to modifying the fence, do try and show us how you did it. I have the Fox-Machines version of the same machine which seems identical. Thanks.
Cheers Ian - yes, I will, absolutely. I think there are a number of machines that share the same DNA - look similar and have similar specs - but at different prices! Keep you posted! 👍👍
Are you going to make a video with Alan Holtham? The two most soothing voices in woodworking in the same video would be legendary.
Haha, I don't think Alan's made a video for a while, but I'm game if he is 🤷♂️👍
For anyone in SE Asia, this appears to be branded as the Oxford 8" Jointer/Planer. It's available on Shopee in the Philippines for about 20kphp (not too much more than the £220 quoted by Peter), I'm guessing it'll be a touch cheaper for other SE Asian nations, as these things tend to be.
Thanks for the review and niggles, very helpful - I did not even know a combo unit existed, that's excellent for space challenged folk like m'self!
Thanks! Just to be clear, this is a 10” machine, not an 8”. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop - good point, I misheard the size - though seems the 10" version is sadly not sold here. Still, looks like pretty good value! Again, hanks for your time in sharing your thoughts!
Why dont you get in and out level table - on rollers? As not to worry about catching the thicknessed material?
Interesting video Peter, thank you. I have the Woodstar 6" from Machine Mart (I think it was only about £100 when I bought it) and it looks awfully similar to that Erbauer. One thing I did notice is that yours has lock-off handles for the bed - a great improvement over the slowly-auto-lowering bed on my toy. I also struggle mightily against snipe. I've been looking towards getting something with a larger capacity so I'll wait until you get the opportunity to give it a full review and might go for the Erbauer myself. Oh, and my Woodstar also has the same useless pressed-tin wobbly fence.
I think there are a lot of these machines that share the same DNA! Yes, the Bristol levers on the thicknesser bed are a welcome addition - not sure I’d trust it to stay put otherwise. 🤔👍
Check out this post about how to eliminate snipe - ruclips.net/video/mHfjSatKITQ/видео.html Steve Maskery explins everything very clearly.
@@joncarolepaish2899 Thanks, but in the case of the WoodStar and possibly Peter's Erbauer by the looks of it, it's mostly caused by the thicknessing bed being far too short. I made an auxilliary board which sits over the existing bed and gives a much longer support for the timber.
These types of smaller combo machines are uncommon in the usa. I had one, a Swiss built INCA that was excellent. I also found a 5" KITY model and bolted it to a folding work stand for use on job sites where I've often wanted to make a shim or other small part by thicknessing it or making a taper on the jointer.
Regarding the thickness adjustment handle, you don't actually need the blade guard on there if the dust extraction hood is fulfilling the dual purpose of extracting and guarding the blade.... so should be perfectly safe to remove the blade guard while thicknessing. Just a thought!
As I'm sure you understand, I can't show the removal of a safety feature 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop you're just replacing the safety feature with another one...
Alright Peter mate.. I'm in the market for a planer and thicknesser so this would be brilliant for me due to the fact my shop is 16X10ish.. I'm very happy tohear u say it's a very decent machine for the price range.. Again thank you Peter .. Much appreciated
Thanks! It’s a decent machine for the price, but I think you might struggle to find one these days - this vid’s a couple of years old, and I’ve had comments from a few folks to say it might have been discontinued, at least under the erbauer brand. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop That's a shame if it has been discontinued Peter.. Thanks all the same anyways man.. Love ur videos bcos u speak clearly and honestly on machines and the likes.. I'm gutted about it being stopped but I'll keep looking for one now anyways.. It's comical how ScrewFix handle things with returns.. They don't really care bcos they'll get their money back on it and will be able to fix it and sell it to one of the staff at a really low discount.. Some of the staff would have exp fixing stuff like that one but u got lucky that it started up for u..
It was great to hear how well it worked after the bad start.. Hearing u got such a nice finish on ur planks of wood was brilliant.. I would change the fence completely if I had one of them.. I'm going to do my best to try and find one with Screw fix in the future,,.. Didn't u say it had the smaller blades that u can turn singley to get a sharp edge again.. I think u were speaking about that.. Hope I'm right anyways Peter mate..
Take it easy man & best of luck in the future my friend,,
Apologies for another longwinded comment..
Such a good idea 💡 Thanks mate 👍
No problem 👍
I tell you what Peter. With the price of timber through the roof (July 2021) at the moment, that machine for the small workshop would be a great addition. That would be worth the investment. Like you I have been looking for ages for a decent second hand one, that are far and few between. If the switch does go, they are available. (Retro fit an NVR switch). But with a two year warranty, just take it back.
Thanks Mark. Yes, that was my logic. I know some folks manage to find bargains from retiring woodworkers, but I’ve never done across one and as long as you know what you’re getting into, a cheap new machine with a warranty can be a good buy. 👍👍
Apparently Grizzly here in the US just released this as the G0959 (12" $995) and G0958 (8" $599) with a true helical cutter head. I'm picking up mine tomorrow so I'll post a short overview.
Hi Peter. Another great video - thank you! Looking at purchasing one of these. Is it still performing well and did you manage to secure the fence in a more sturdy manner?
Thanks Mike! I haven’t used it much since this tbh, but the times I did it worked fine. Haven’t touched the fence - it’s on my list of things to take a look at as soon as my CNC build series is out, which is very soon. But yes, overall I’m happy with it, for what I’ve used it for, and for what I paid. 👍👍
I bought this a yr ago as I had a Screwfix discount voucher 😃, barely used it so far as it is a bit of a faff. I'm interested to see you solving that handle/arm issue and copying 😇🤣
Oh, I’ll be sure to let you know! 😂👍
Hi Peter quite impressed with the thicknesser as I did not see any snip at the ends of what I would consider short lengths of timber, unlike mine, which I have to thickness long lengths and then cut to size. How did you fine planing the Idigbo? The one and only time I have worked with it, it got right up my nose, and have stayed well clear of it ever since!!
Thanks Martin! No, no snipe at all - I talk about this a little in the accompanying blog post at 10minuteworkshop.com - but it seems very well controlled. And totally fine with the Idigbo - didn’t have much to do though, to be fair! 👍👍
Thank you for this first look. I look forward to the review as I would like to know how this remarkably low-priced machine is constructed. I assume that the knives were already set when bought; are they HSS or carbide and if the former can you get the latter?
My vintage combination woodworker has a nearly full-length fence but it's also the fence for the saw and is something of a compromise; if I am doing something serious I fit an alternative fence, shorter but more rigid.
Thanks. No idea re the blades - all I’ve done is bolt it together and use it, will know more as I use it more 👍👍
The blades are HSS. 261mm long, 1.5mm in thickness. They can be ordered as spare part. But attention: There are 2 versions. By looking this one, it looks like the HMS 1070 from Scheppach. New and even harder blades cost me 30 Euros. They can be 're-sharpened, but as I can get 3 sets of blades for 75 Euro, sharpening doesn't make sense - maybe if you can do this on your own...
I have had 3 of these over the past year, each lasting about 3 months with some decent use. They end up eating blades up amd juddering an awful lot when thicknessing, the rollers rubbers disintegrate. Not to mention each one needed alot of work to get the outfeed table parrallel for surface planing!
Other than that, how did you like the play? 😆 Appreciate the heads-up; can I ask if Screwfix OK about the returns/exchanges? Thanks! 👍
Louis Theroux on budget tools. Jokes aside, I’ve had the Clarke version in my soggy shed for years, just got it up and running and still works a dream!
Really helpful thanks